>>513452700
>lesson
NWO fetishists don't value human lives and will sign your country up for a meatgrinder for even a slight economic advantage.

Ukraine trusted NATO, which saw an opportunity to weaken Russia.
Russia isn't trustworthy either, they act like madmen justifying so many casualties on both sides for a war with a country they are supposedly "liberating".

This map explains everything. U.S. and Russia fighting over Ukraine oil, now no one can get the oil because the infrastructure is gone and NATO will keep the fighting going through a ceasefire to keep it from being rebuilt (which is just the same strategy Russia was using to oust Shell and Mobile with the seperatists, same shit always).

>>513167982
NATO (using for "the West") has close to 1 billion people.
That's enough for almost 50 whole Western Roman Empires.

You could explain the fall of Ukraine with the fall of Rome, because those populations are equivalent, but "the West" is 50x as large as Rome. Anything you could point to as a reason for why Rome fell would have to be scaled up 50x to apply to "the West".

You don't crash test miniature models of cars, you use the real thing, because physics change when you scale them up. Economics is physics. Flow of money = heat exchange. Bigger wave tank = more complex currents.

>>512710681
>you can look at a developed country in the US hegemony vs being part of Russias sphere of influence
One side's propaganda vs another's. The U.S. is a better place to live - but is that because of policy or despite it?
One way you can look at it is the U.S. is sitting on an enormous pile of natural resources with a relatively small population compared to the rest of the world that is densely packed.
We are still benefiting from the theft of land, the use of slaves, and our natural geographic defenses. Even with all the fuck ups over the years this place is still a better country to live in than most.

Russia on the other hand also has vast natural resources, but has been tapping them for longer, has to fight land wars on its borders, and is cut off from the economic wealth that the U.S. shares with unsanctioned nations. It looks like living in Russia sucks from our pov, but this is the English speaking part of the internet, so most of what anyone here has seen is western propaganda. I'm not saying it's secretly a great place to live, far from it, but for Ukrainians who were already poor (like in the Donbas), what's the difference?

Now that the mask is off in EU regarding immigration turning everything to shit, I mean, what do you think they'll do to Ukraine after the war? Same thing they're doing everywhere in Europe, highly doubt the Ukrainians want jeets and muslims in their cities either.