>>535358039
I found that if I ping on top of people and then ping the reason, they will often come.
If not, then it's just giving it up and looking for continuous opportunities for the enemy jungler to make mistakes, and you take their farm when they're in a lane for too long, or soloing an objective.
That's my thought process at least as Ekko, because his early game is dog.
Kirei probably has some vidyas to deal with that situation - https://www.youtube.com/@KireiLoL