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my only gripe is that socialism destroys the freedom of the working class as much as capitalism does and it frankly isn't even a debate given that both Lenin and Engels state as much in their works, and yes, the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is still a fucking state, I've read The State and Revolution and everything in there is cope for the fact that even if it's purely about distribution, you still want a "collective" authority to expropriate people's labor.
beyond the fact that complete socialism is economically retarded and beyond the fact that Francisco Franco's model worked far better than socialist models while being similarly embargoed for a huge portion of his regime, you people don't seem to fucking realize that it isn't free trade that's failed, it's the fact that the state has completely buckled under the pressure of a global banking class. The capitalist exploitation you talk about wouldn't be possible without the state, without fiat currency, without absolute, unaccountable regulatory authority.
I hate you people on principle because I do not believe the working class' labor should be expropriated under the guise of being a 'human right', even if it sounds like the moral thing to do. I despise you. I despise the state, which through its power devalued currency until it's meaningless, I despise you state-worshipping freaks who somehow think Lenin's model prevents corruption because "brooo the managers have workman's wages broooo there's no INCENTIVE to be greedy!" You people make me sick.
