Just look at this POV. Its insanely hard to imagine a TV square here, and to call it perfectly aligned with the TV square.

>>149705220 (OP)
>he can't visualize a square
Anon...

>>149705355
The point is the square being the same as tv's square

>>149705220 (OP)
lots of things are hard

>>149705365
Between knee and the midline of the chest in a batting stance. Hope they find an IQ for being a wordcel one day

>>149705220 (OP)
it was fun to argue about before they added the retard square and ball tracking animations. baseball is super gay and lame now

>>149705365
The square isn't a random point, it's set from the plate and the batter. The ump has a good view of the top and sides, the only one he has to kind of judge is the bottom of the zone.

>>149705220 (OP)
we just love to complain.

in the early days of pro baseball -- from 1861 to about 1910 -- most games had two umpires working the whole field. one was behind home plate and the other was between short and second. before 1900 it was common for a field ump to ask the firstbaseman for help on something like a home run call. MLB only added extra umps when the World Series started.

Every WS ring before 1920 is based on the worst umpiring you can imagine, and the players and umps were sometimes openly rigging games for the gamblers.

So that's the first 60 years of what we call major league baseball. Umpiring is better overall now than at any other time in history, even thought the commissioner is fucking with the rules and trying to ruin the game.

what bothers me is inconsistency
everyone misses a call from time to time

>>149705220 (OP)
doesnt matter they're getting replaced by AI

>>149705220 (OP)
how do batters, catchers and even coaches/players in the dugout consistently know when a bad call is made? because like umps they've been on a baseball field their whole life.

>>149705656
umps are "better" now because there's more accountability and scrutiny. the only thing that's holding them back is the MLBUA and the fact that being on a crew is seniority based rather than a meritocracy. in my opinion manfried wants it that way to justify robo strikezones.

I think the umps should make incorrect calls just to spite players and teams I don’t like

I think (American) football is much worse in terms of first down markings, punts going out of bounds and so on. A RB gets tackled by two LBs for a five yards rush, there's no way a ref can quickly figure out where the guy was tackled with an accuracy better than a foot or sth. And that happens dozens of times a game.

>>149706112
There's no question about that. Umps are dogshit but the NFL is on a completely different level of shamelessness
>pileup of 10 guys
>ref jogs over from 30 yards away and zero visibility through the combined 5k pounds of obesity in the pileup
>uhh let's just say it goes here
>is 3 yards off what everyone at home can see is the correct spot
>welp, that's just how it is!
And then they reach the red zone and suddenly they give maximum fucks and and will spend 30 minutes on reviews on every single play

>>149705383
>>149705630
wait, so the strikez zone is different for players depending on their height?

>>149705220 (OP)
Its how the refs rig games in baseball.

>>149706270
yes

How come the ump and catcher don't get clocked by the batter swinging badly?

>>149706270
yes teams have tried putting in little people

>have perfect technology to just automatize it
>still use humans who make the wrong call half the time

t. dont watch baseball

>>149705220 (OP)
Say no more. Robo Umps are nearly upon the baseball universe in a few years. These old farts will either retire or lose their jobs.

>>149706049
>I think the umps should make incorrect calls just to spite players and teams I don’t like
Based. Me too.

Desu it would probably harm the youth development pipeline if the top level is using so many bells & whistles that that the poorer or lower levels can't implement.

>>149706726
nah look at NFL/football. you need a shit ton of technology (first down line, cameras in the pylon, replays, etc) to play a match like a professional but the kids leagues get on just fine

>>149706213
>is 3 yards off what everyone at home can see is the correct spot
It's unreal how the "arbitrary" spot the refs spot the ball it is often an entire football length from where it was downed, if not more, and no one talks about it. Even if the ref is egregiously bad and it could clearly affect the outcome of the game, the most an announcer will say is "Well I don't agree with that spot" and quickly move on.

>>welp, that's just how it is!
Lol yeah. I suspect it's part of the "soft rigging" that refs can do (some of them are just bad). Making the ball's spot more or less favorable over and over throughout a game cannot not have an effect on the outcome. Guess everyone's supposed to think the bad spots are equally distributed to both teams all the time.

>>149706717
>Robo Umps are nearly upon the baseball universe in a few years.
The people who think tech will save them are wrong every time. Robo umps will be different but not necessarily better... and there's still going to be a handful of humans overseeing the system from a centralized location. It could end up much worse than what we have now. All of the VAR shit in soccer and replays in MLB/NFL/CFB show that they still fuck calls up routinely

>>149706049
So who was your favorite angel hernandez or joe west?

>>149706717
> These old farts will either retire or lose their jobs.
You will still need umpires, but their job will be easier.

>>149706667
>make the wrong call half the time
No... actually umps are better than ever because people second guess them more than ever. Some umps have even had perfect games which is insane when they are calling 250+pitches a game

>>149706437
not even mad

>>149706744
>you need a shit ton of technology (first down line, cameras in the pylon, replays, etc)
Why tho, just let the refs make every decision

>>149705220 (OP)
People don't complain about umpires not being able to be 100% objectively right. People, especially players, complain when an umpire can't seem to consistently call similar pitches the same way. If something's half a ball width outside but it's been getting called a strike for the entire game, no one serious will complain.

Also, for the record, the TV square is both deceptive (because the actual strike zone is the entire volume of area above the plate, not just a 2d square above the front) and it's frequently wrong in relation to the batter's height.

>>149706112
There’s four refs and for the majority of plays there’s one on each side that make the spot. Ironically high school and college football are probably more accurate the majority of the time because the umpire stands behind the linebackers and makes the spot while they moved him behind the offensive line of scrimmage in the NFL for safety reasons.

>>149705433
i remember after the first or second game of the 2016 season and the Jays lost by 'illegally' sliding into 2nd, of course that was the big gay change for the season, and John Gibbons saying afterwards "might as well put dresses on the guys".

Yeah this one is going in my cringe folder

>>149706270
Yeah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gaedel

>>149713745
>Death
>On June 18, 1961, the unemployed Gaedel, who had just turned 36, was at a bowling alley in Chicago, his birthplace and hometown. Gaedel was followed home and beaten. His mother discovered him lying dead in his bed. He had bruises about his knees and on the left side of his face.
>Chicago

>>149713778
>>149713745
>1.000
GOAT

>>149714648
What I find interesting is this:
>American League president Will Harridge, saying Veeck was making a mockery of the game, voided Gaedel's contract the next day.
Nowadays that'd be a lawsuit.
What rule did they break by signing and playing him?
Bullshit.

>>149714817
They are the same guys who wouldn't let blacks play with them. No surprise the same aplied with midgets.

>>149706270
Yes. It's only fair when you consider how much more reach a taller batter has. It should be wider too.