Thread 150094033

why don't we just "transfer" one in, how much do they cost?

>>150094033 (OP)
full interview: https://youtu.be/lI_UgHzN18c

no shot america could spawn a soccer player with aura
he be mexican or some shit

We can't produce that player but we can roid and rig

USA could produce the GOAT footballer who will never be bettered by anyone and it still wouldn't matter. Americans are too fat and stupid to ever understand football.

>>150094182
International football is one of the most simplest sports ever made. This is literally the reason why its so popular. It is so easy that poor people play it in the streets with a rock.

Gridiron football, on the other hand, is ridiculously complex. This makes it difficult to get into and to promote to an audience.

>>150094033 (OP)
Fuck this eurosnob retard, we have Diego Luna from MLS who is a world class player. Tired of Americans ignoring our fucking league.

>>150094191
>Gridiron football, on the other hand, is ridiculously complex.
It's so hard that blacks play it

>>150094191
The only people that “play” American football are the head coaches, everyone else just does what they’re told

>>150094191
I beg to differ, anon; it’s not about simplicity, it’s about accessibility
Association Football is highly accessible
Gridiron Football is not
If you’re talking about complexity, they can both be complex in their own unique ways
Also, in a perverse way, failure in soccer is punished with relegation at the worst whereas in American football failure is rewarded with the top draft picks in the next draft
The dichotomy is that your so-called capitalist society is overrun by socialist principles in sport whereas most other socialist countries of the world practice capitalism in their sport

literally who

>>150094033 (OP)
sweden need a young messi too

>>150094033 (OP)
fascinating insight

>>150094191
American football is so simple even women can play it

>>150094033 (OP)
If only it was that easy, Tom.

>>150094191
>Gridiron football, on the other hand, is ridiculously complex. This makes it difficult to get into and to promote to an audience.
Yet at the same time, it's somehow the biggest sport in the US
Can't be that difficult to promote then

>>150094319
Please be bait please be bait PLEASE be bait

>>150094046
Neither yamal nor messi have aura

>>150094365
This is completely false btw

>>150094040
You won't need to. Little Mexican Messaldo has probably already crossed the border...

>>150094323
Kek. Didn't think that one through did he. Typical American.

>>150095591
>completely false
Although correct at the same time. Phew

>>150094033 (OP)
The dickriding would be ridiculous. We already have too much individualism bullshit in football (Ballon D'Or, Man of the Match), but Americans with their "storylines" would make it much worse, and actually having a world-class player would allow them to do it. Let alone someone in the same category of Messi. FIFA would also immediately jump on the bandwagon. The commercialisation would be crazy. We've got a glimpse of how it would look when Pulisic appeared - many Americans actually think/thought he's up there with the best. Now imagine someone actually being up there
It would definitely help grow the sport in the US. Americans seem to be comparatively unwilling to focus on team efforts, they seem to focus on individual star power more than others. It's not the Lakers losing, it's LeBron losing. It's not the Chiefs, it's Mahomes
There's this kid in the ManCity academy, Cavan Sullivan or something. He got his fair share of hype already for someone in his situation

I hope the USMNTWNTMTNT does the most awful blatant rigjob in the history of WCs and gets to the semifinals at the very least, it would be so hilarious

>>150096227
I'll be genuinely surprised if the WC isn't Korea/Japan tier

>>150096193
>We've got a glimpse of how it would look when Pulisic appeared
HE'S LIKE, THE LEBRON JAMES OF SOCCER

You now remember THE Christian PooLicksDick, the vanquisher of Verona

>>150094191
Football is accessible and versatile. You can play it under a lot of circumstances, with a lot of objects and different player numbers. There are many "game versions" of it. Kids can play it, you don't have to be particularly tall or strong or fast - it helps, but you can make up for it to a degree. That's part of why it is the biggest sport in the world by far
The actual game you see on TV is still complicated. It's a free-flowing game, the possibilities are endless. You also have set pieces, which is more of what gridiron does, but without the QB as the sole main man. There are countless different formations and tactical approaches. Positioning, pressing, decision-making, player types ... only a select few retards think it's "run around a pitch and kick the ball until it goes into the goal". There's plenty of stuff to enjoy for statfags and tacticnerds. Most Americans don't even seem to know that passes and shots are usually made with two different parts of the foot

>>150094365
Certain QBs like Peyton and Brady had complete control over the offense.
>>150096403
Nah mate, it's not debateable. American football is 100x more tactically and strategically complex than regular football. QBs in particular have to spend more time literally studying and watching film than actually practicing with the ball. Each week it's like a new college exam they have to study for. And this can vary from just perfectly memorizing and mastering what your coach tells you like a typical good QB, to designing plays and strategies yourself and you having complete control over the offense like the aforementioned QBs.
Here's three examples
https://youtu.be/z5HPsbVXVyw?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/VH5gwHHjZ7Q?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/4RhkMgimx3g?feature=shared
Football is continuous, like Hockey and Basketball. But the start-and-stop nature of American Football gives it that huge added strategic and tactical depth. My move, you're move etc.

>>150096549
Of course it is debatable, that's what free flow vs set pieces does. Football is highly specialized, but that doesn't necessarily make it the most complex. It means players are isolated in what they are supposed to do. It's two different kinds of complexity. And even if the QB is the most demanding position in all of sports, then the rest makes up for it. A central midfielder not having to memorize a book of things that can happen doesn't mean anything, you simply can't prepare for all of the situations in a free flow game. Football clubs spend the entire week between games with tactical analysis as well, and all players are tasked with preparing

>>150096549
I see, it's basically like the difference between a real-time strategy game and a turn-based strategy game. Elite soccer player is basically a gookclicker while Tom Brady is comparable to a chess grandmaster.

>>150096193
>There's this kid in the ManCity academy, Cavan Sullivan or something.
Oh he's American, that explains why I've been saying so much hype around him.

>>150094033 (OP)
Americans dont belong because they insist on calling it fucking soccer and have the absolutely cringiest crowds in the world like all their chants sound like voicelines from milsims and just their overall demeanor is cringe like there is 0% believability or authenticity in anything American "fans" do
the only exception is the NHL
>>150094816
thats flag football all they do is capture the flag on their hips there is not supposed to be actual contact lmfao but yea women should excel since its not short for grabbing a dick except for that its now on someones hip

>>150096193
>storylines
You mean storylines and montages

>>150094040
You need argentinians with european genetics from midle/poor background.

They are dissapearing thanks to massive mexican migration to argentina so...very hard bro.

It’s like everyone’s forgotten PuliGOD

Here’s the thing about soccer: it’s a girls’ sport. It just is. In America, soccer is for girls. That isn’t going to change if you get some prodigy who can do whatever the fuck all-time players can do because what they’ll do is go to some shithole country where they can be a god because in America they will always be that guy who plays a girls’ sport really well.

>>150097962
I’d play a girly sport if it led to me being paid $200k per week to run around, pass the ball and score an occasional goal

>>150094033 (OP)
There are more kids playing soccer, just for fun. I'm having to dive around soccer balls heading down the stairs on the subway. There are a lot of smaller teams, there's futsal leagues in the hood.
California, the Mid-Atlantic and New England it's supplanting football as the sport athletic kids play and it's starting to grow in parts of the South that aren't the Texas Triangle and Florida where it already was prominent.
It's probably still a decade or so away, but I mean I remember when our primary problem was a lack of talent. Our players were just a bunch of guys from NY/NJ and California who played soccer because there were enough immigrants in the area from Europe and Latin America to have small leagues and academies. I mean Cobi Jones and Eric Wynalda went to the same public high school. Now our problem is lack of cohesion and the fact that we haven't crossed that threshold of to Elite, we're just constant Round of 16 knock out once we meet a real UEFA/CONMEBOL team. But most of our starters are playing for relatively big European clubs now.

>>150096646
That's highly flattering and I'll take it

>>150098101
Yeah our level is gonna rise. And football will stay big because we like watching niggladiators collide. So we will have our cake and eat it too, typically American.

>>150098141
Quality of play in the NFL is gonna keep declining. It's gonna become more a game of strategy and people will lament it.
But mom and dad would rather their kids play soccer or basketball.

>>150098344
Yeah, smaller talent pool, but earnings will go up. Gladiators were a small percentage of Rome but it was the biggest sport. They came for violence and spectacle not talent

>>150094182
How many world cups has Finland participated in?

>>150094033 (OP)
The USA has produced thousands of players like Messi. The problem is they play other sports that guarantee a pay day without having to worry about being a stranger in a strange land with millions of dollars and no baddies they can brag to about being a super sportsball stud. No one wants to play in fucking MLS. Lol. Lmao even.

>>150094033 (OP)
what is this (quintessentially american) expression supposed to convey?

>>150094896
>>150094191
I like both Fußball and football

>>150094191
American football is just manufactured complexity that leads people to believe it's somehow tactical game.
it has multiple squads, positions and players per team, and intermittent gameplay allowing for set pieces. But at it's core it's incredibly simple.

>>150099220
I hope that means you like the sport where the ball is actually a ball double
Americans can like this sport all they want. We shouldn't

>>150099245
I still don't know what a soccer coach does on the sidelines besides clap occasionally

>>150099759
99% of the work is done pre-game

>>150099759
Since there's only one break (unless it's really hot, then there's an additional short drinking break per half), the manager/coach cannot do a lot when the game is underway. All he can do is shout inputs and hope the players will follow. Maybe he has the chance to have a longer (a few seconds) talk with individual players, especially the players on the wing on the side of the bench. They usually shout/say a lot, but the extent to which that stuff is followed is questionable
Of course, the clubs have entire staffs of coaches. There are video analysts following the game on TV as well, there are specific coaches (set pieces, athletic, etc). And they all give the main manager their input. Together, they coordinate what to do in the halftime address, and they delegate other tasks, like sending players to warm-up
Of course, most of the work happens pre-game

>>150099775
Same for football in that there is very rarely an improvised play called on purpose. I guess I have a different definition of what tactics means. A typical NFL offense will have 100~ plays ready to be called on a given week and the coordinators determine the flow of the game almost as much as the players executing them based on when and where they are called. An NFL defense is more similar to soccer in that players line up and play how they were prepared to but even then they still have to identify each formation and line up and play a certain way.

>>150099843
My definition of what tactics is just different then. For me it's just as much preparation as it is reacting and adjusting.

Isn't a flaw in the American system is its pretty expensive for youth to play? We must fix that if we want to ensure our future in the sport. You just need a ball, open space, and a goal. Why is it expensive here?

>>150099855
The reacting in football happens during the break, yes. At least that's the big opportunity. Plenty of examples of games that had two very different halves. Before that, adjustments can be made by substitutions and the shouted input. When a player is subbed and another enters the field, most of the team will know what to change for the most part, even if the new player is used in a different position and requires someone else to cover a certain area. Changes before halftime are a big sign of things going very wrong though, and getting subbed off before halftime is considered quite humiliating by the public (even if a player has to be sacrificed for the system change despite having done nothing wrong)
It's possible for managers to get a big adjustment across without subs, but that requires observant and experienced players and managers. Players usually know themselves if something is off, and they will try to cover it to some extent. That's the thing about a free-flowing game with only one real break after all, sometimes it's too late to wait for 45 minutes. There are steady adjustments all the time, but their extent and the authority behind it can vary depending on how the team (including the staff) is constructed

>>150099945
Forgot to add the little detail that you sometimes see players receive notes with tactical drawings from the manager, especially after a substitution

>>150094191
Anyone who denies that American football is more tactically deep and complex than soccer doesn't understand either sport. I say this as someone who played soccer at a somewhat high level growing up and who's brother plays professionally. I'm not an expert but I have a decent understanding of what goes on during the game relative to your average joe. I also grew up a huge American football fan since my family comes from Alabama. Soccer is much more free flowing and improvised than American football which is neither a good nor bad thing, its just a fact.

>>150099958
can you just shut up already... you're defending the undefendable

>>150095745
no. plays are called, but they often have options within them based on what the opponent does.

>>150099975
that was my first post in this thread im not the anon you're arguing with

>>150099945
In soccer a coach has 5 opportunities to actively influence the game. In football a coach is only limited by practice time (how many plays he can realistically get players to learn) and roster size.

Put in a different way has there ever been a tactic that single handedly shut down a championship caliber team and forces them to give up their style of play? It happened to the 2018 Rams in the Super Bowl when they played the Patriots when the coach put out what is considered to be an archaic defensive scheme and held the 2nd best offensive that season to a field goal.

The next season every other team copied that defensive scheme and sent their stats to the middle of the pack.

>>150100008
Not single-handedly, no. It takes a while for things to get solved. Tiki Taka and the like were not vanquished in a day, but a real tacticsnerd will be able to tell you when exactly the first domino fell. I think that difference mostly boils down to free-flowing versus stationary, as well as one big league versus tons of leagues and competitions in which approaches spread
Where are you getting the "5 opportunities" from? But yes, the possible changes during the game are limited in practice because of there only being one break. There's steady tactical work and input, of course, but it's hard to describe and estimate to which extent it's followed. Primarily because viewers don't really hear what the input is, the only slight exception was the pandemic when stadiums where empty and you could hear the managers shouting
I think it's two different kinds of complexity, not two different tiers

>>150100001
ok, i have to admit i didn't rly read your post, good digits though

>>150099869
Haven't you also found ways to turn your basketball system inefficient and cost-heavy? I don't know since I'm not American, but I've been told by Americans that kids are basically treated as mini-pros and supposed to play tons of games in various different circuits, which is financially demanding and doesn't actually help development that much. And that's on top of some saying that your college system is arguably inferior to European specialized academies and the absence of college systems, so players get integrated into the actual main event earlier and must thrive there, which helps developing top talent (at the expense of average guys)
I don't know how true that is. But I have also heard that your top-level football/soccer isn't very accessible. That obviously hinders your growth a lot

>>150100075
By 5 opportunities to actively influence the game I mean he can make 5 subs. I'll add another for halftime since he has everyone in the same place to describe what he wants but he's still limited to the personnel he initially started the game with since like you said it's considered bad to waste substitutions early. What I'll give soccer is that the players have much more of a say in tactics than football and exceptionally smart players can probably make a career out of being in the right position even if their coach didn't explicitly point out where to be. Being "out of position" by the coach's standards in football either gets you kicked from the team or is limited to a very select few elite players.

>>150100191
Yeah, I see, good point

>>150094033 (OP)
Yamal just turned 18 and they are already talking of finding the next Yamal

>>150099220
Then you're a turkish nigger and you get out of Germany.
>Imagine liking niggerball
You're beneathe us

>>150094033 (OP)
Cavan Sullivan needs to be in the USMNT as much as possible then. While he's still a diamond in the rough he could potentially be not Messi but Yamal level at his age

I'd like to nuke the United States of America.
They should not touch our sport.

>>150100930
If you compare an american to the biggest young talent in the world right now, to my face, I'd beat the shit out of you.

I will get violent if americans don't get eliminated in the group stage next year. It will 1000% be FIFA's manipulation once more.

>>150099759
Good, stay away from out sport and keep watching those made up constant scoring sports only you people watch and play.

>>150096193
We need to do something before they tarnish our sport and add 1 billion ads between every 5 minute breaks.
Next year will be a great opportunity, I say you take a shotgun with you in your bag when you travel to their country, and do a solid for us

>>150100980
We've already infected your country. Best get the best favela triggermen to try and stop this year's game in

>>150100930
He turns 16 in a few weeks and seems to be not near national team level yet, he gets sporadic playing time at Philadelphia. Not at all bad for his age, far from it, but there are others in roughly the same area - far from Yamal as of now. Kenneth Eichhorn has turned 16 a few days ago and is about to make his debut for Hertha BSC, he wasn't allowed to play before that. Not being national team level at the time of the 16th birthday is obviously not bad, it doesn't mean shit for your overall career possibilities
Sullivan gets a lot of hype for being a young American talent. Probably a remarkable one indeed. But being very good at 14 or 15 doesn't mean you will be elite when it matters, and having all that spotlight on you can do more harm than good

>>150100966
Expect them to reach the Round of 16 and maybe the quarterfinals. They aren't that bad, and a 48 team World Cup with 32 teams advancing to the knockout stage will make it very hard for a host nation to get eliminated in the group stage, they are seeded in pot 1 after all
They obviously have a lot more potential. I used to be mad at Americans for not liking football when I was a kid, but that's obviously silly. FIFA and others chasing the US market while taking Europe and South America for granted is financially understandable, but scummy and arguably harmful to the game. But if Americans end up liking the sport, so be it. That should be kept separate from potential changes to the sport to make it more US-friendly, of course ... except for fighting diving more, I guess. Oh, and I'm actually somewhat in favor of net playing time 2x30 minutes (unfortunately, they would definitely try to sneak ads in there)

>>150096818
>Oh he's American
Obviously, it's not some pure english name like Ugochukwu Mbongo

I hate that “wonder kids” are like 16 years old now. I miss when you could be a 23 year old wonder kid. Remember Pato at Milan? Where the fuck has the time gone lads, I blinked and 15 years passed

that would be soccer phenom was either a d3 running back or is a light hitting middle infielder in the minors.

>>150101618
You have plenty of kids playing the sport, and by now, you should be able to expect kids to stick with it for longer if they show genuine talent

>>150101745
no self respecting parent, coach, advisor, would let a talented kid play soccer when there's just as much money in baseball or football or basketball and infinitely less competition.

>>150094033 (OP)
soccer goes on too long for what is actualyl happening its just waaaay to fucking boring for 99% of the match and the time it takes and that was alerady the case 30 years ago today with adhd zoomer youtube shorts brain its even more visible just how boring soccer and in fact most sportsball is.
I know how weird it is for me to say that in /sp of all places but fucking hell most sports is just so fucking boring and soccer is on top of the list sharing a place with golf and watching grass grow.

>>150101772
never actually watched nor played football award

>>150097441
lmao no one from Mexico is moving to your shithole boludo. Our standards, as low as they are, are too high for Argentina.

>>150100143
>I've been told by Americans that kids are basically treated as mini-pros and supposed to play tons of games in various different circuits, which is financially demanding and doesn't actually help development that much
This is true for most sports in the US
>And that's on top of some saying that your college system is arguably inferior to European specialized academies
Uhh, duh? College sports were originally there for *student* athletes, but was distorted into whatever the fuck it is today where schools pay for illiterates to play for them.
>But I have also heard that your top-level football/soccer isn't very accessible
Maybe here’s an alternate angle that you’d find interesting: one of my friends out of high school was offered to join an MLS academy and he turned it down. Why? Because he wanted to be a lawyer. At at least at the time, the median MLS athlete made way less than the median lawyer, so that colored his decision. He went to university and turned down all opportunities to be a student athlete. I’m telling you this as a fact, but the best soccer players at a given American university are not on the actual university team.

>>150095714
Speak not to us of Mexicans, we know their uses and they are few

>>150094323
>>150095736
Of the top 20 or so QBs of all time, 97.5% of them have been white.
Brady (white)
Peyton (white)
Montana (white)
Mahomes (half white, half black)
Unitas (white)
Staubach (white)
Rodgers (white)
Marino (white)
Favre (white)

>>150104759
Young (white)
Brees (white)
Elway (white)
Big Ben (white)
Fouts (white)
Rivers (white)
Stafford (white)
Bradshaw (white)
Eli Manning (white)
Warner (white)
Aikman (white)
You could include Lamar or Allen in there as well, but the point remains the same. And this is largely because the QB as traditionally played was largely a cerebral position. That's why you could have slow statues with dad-bods like Peyton dominate the league

>>150096601
No, it's not at all. I don't know why you want to die on this hill. This doesn't mean you have to like American football more.
You think Messi or Neymar watch much film, or spend more time pen to paper studying than actually practicing with the ball? You think coaches have anywhere near the same impact in football or basketball as they do in American football? It's just not comparable. The discrete nature of football takes away much of the "on the fly fluidity" and replaces it with more robust tactical and strategic planning.

>>150104786
>The discrete nature of football
American football*

>Dude we just need, like, the greatest player of all time
Doesn't everyone?

>>150104786
It just seems to me that you underestimate the preparation that goes into one sport and only consider stationary positions as tactically valuable, which in my eyes is short-sighted. I agree with most of what you’ve said here, but I simply think that the tactical elements in a free-flowing game are different, not necessarily inferior. This has nothing to do with sympathies, and you suggesting that is frankly quite revealing as well in my opinion

>>150105661
Of course, but Americans are said to follow star power more than others. If the US team slowly improved without a star player, surely quite a few people would warm up to them as they churn out some underdog wins. But for it to really kick off on public perception in the states, they might need a global phenomenon to attract big sponsors and capture the attention of people. Ever noticed how NBA talks are basically soap operas revolving around the superstars? Or how dominant the QB is in the public image of the NFL? The business behind sports wants there to be a single face to rally behind. Even if such a player would create imbalance in the team, the attention would be there, and the money would follow. And that seems to be important to them

>>150094191
You really made the low IQ Eurosissies seethe lmao

>>150105742
>The business behind sports wants there to be a single face to rally behind. Even if such a player would create imbalance in the team, the attention would be there, and the money would follow.
Messi
Ronaldo
Yamal
Pele
Maradona
Cryuff
You aren’t getting out of this one, that is the history of soccer

>>150094323
Blacks play chess too.

>>150105769
That’s a recent and retrospective view for most of these players, the real market kind of hype began with Messi and Ronaldo - and it only helped grow the sport in the third world, Argentina and Portugal didn’t need them to care about football. The US is a different case, you are in a different situation. And you definitely are more individualistic when it comes to sports, denying that feels insincere. But I agree that football has recently seen quite the increase in individual focus, the difference isn’t that large anymore

>>150101772
Bobsleigh faggot

>>150094046
Get real, you put up one of the biggest twats in the USA, you get CR7's personality/aura, that would be easy to find, you have people like that all around in you in the US, unfortunately
And Messi, does he even have aura?

>>150105838
>And you definitely are more individualistic when it comes to sports, denying that feels insincere.
I think you have that backwards. Team sports in the US frowns on individuality, we call it hot dogging. When I look at soccer, Germany is the one that always reminded me of the US in their focus on team over individuality, but now I watch guys like Musiala hot dogging all the time and i'm like what happened to Germany?