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Thread Question: When was the last time a Pellaeon-class appeared in your games?

>>95825876 (OP)
Not this same ol faggot ass thread edition.

What is the difference between a regiment of berserker stormtroopers with blood stained vibroblades vs Vader? Not a goddamn thing.

Seriously, why don't Palp encourage someone to train some mentally unstable butchers to throw into a riot and eviscerate the lot of them?

>>95826262
Wassup?

After becoming the Empror, did Palpatine have any downtime — whatsoever? It seemed like he was CONSTANTLY setting up a plot, doing some fucked up Sith ritual, etc, occasionally interacting with Vader, etc. Did he even attend normal Imperial councils and meetings or was that too pedestrian for his time? Would he get mad when forced to deal with policy discussions so the top figures in the system just learned not to bother him at all?

Also why didn’t he teach Vader any Sith sorcery? Was that something Sith were supposed to figure out on their own?

Also, does Vader get a bad rap for being too lose with murdering subordinates? It always seems like if you’re good at your job and not a coward you get along fine with Vader, it’s only the cowards and incompetents who get killed. If there a problem Vader will always listen and deal with it, not get mad at you for wasting his time, etc. In fact he seems like a very much-needed authority type in the Empire who can cross all lines of corruption, careerism, backstabbing, etc, and deal with problems and no one can pull authority on him or get away with shit.

>>95826313
>It seemed like he was CONSTANTLY setting up a plot, doing some fucked up Sith ritual, etc
That was his downtime. In reality he was super bored.

>>95826358
In Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader killed Ozzel und Needa because they were incompetent and failed while being obsessed with finding Luke. I don’t think Vader regularly killed officers for shitty reasons. Your post about Vader is spot on.

>>95826313
Any downtime? Yes he did but he also attended imperial meeting and dealing with other politicians and whatnot. No he would not get mad but perhaps bored or annoyed every now and then.

Sheev is a bitch. A punk ass bitch.

why didnt palpatine just learn life and death magic from the nightsisters?
is he stupid?

talzin laughing at him from beyond the grave

>>95826358
If you have any rank or authority, you hated working with Vader. Not only does he directly veto your own commands and imperatives for vapid pet projects, like the hunt for one (1) rebel named Skywalker, but he also kills you if you don't get immediate results.

Conversely, grunts love Vader. He's in charge, but he deploys to fight right next to you, arguably in front of you, swinging a laser sword and killing everyone who would otherwise try to shoot you.

>>95826358
Out of 3 movies, we see Vader choke someone in 2 while straight up murdering his officers in 1.
He was force choking guy on death star for talking shit and we have no idea if he would have stopped if Tarkin didn't intervened.
In Empire we see Vader killing one admiral fpor straight up incompetence and then second one for losing Falcon, bear in mind that said officer had no time to do anything, Falcon just dissapeared from sensor and guy got phone call from Vader.
Judging by reactions of other Imperial officers and "Emperor is not so forgiving as I am" line in RotJ I would assume that Vader have quite reputation for executing his subordinates.
So no Vader's bad rep for murdering his officers for slightest fuckup is very muchdeserved.
Guess it helps to deal with problem when Emperor sends you on mission and everyone knows they will die if they fuck up, and if someone holds Vader back he will just be permanently replaced by someone hopefully more competent, it's not good solution in long term but it works for Vader's enforcer of Emperor's will job. We only see him deployed when there is serious shit going on, like Death Star plans being stolen, or hunt for Jedi who blew up Death Star.
Before OT he also choked his pregnant wife in ep3 and director Krennick in R1. Dude love force choking people for any reason.

>>95826611
He chocked his wife out of anger only to later regret it.

>>95826690
Well he is constantly in pain and angry so...
Maybe he regrets choking his subordinates to death later.

>>95826786
>Maybe he regrets choking his subordinates to death later.
No

>>95826358
>>95826313
Yeah, it seems like palps teaching Vader the basics of sith, similarly to his own early days with plague, which is smart on his part, since Vader was unstable and dealing with him was always a tight rope act.
For vaders part, her actually wanted the empire to succeed. This puts him at odds with all the career men and grifters

>>95827406
And yet entire point of Andor is rebels reacting to Palpatine's actions. Despite never showing up evil space wizard is still most important character in the series. But agree Andor is impressive that it's best Star Wars show and yet no single jedi or sith is on the screen.

>>95827463
>that it's best Star Wars show
Pfffahahahahahahahahaha

>>95827463
Nah.

It's not even a star wars show at all.

>>95825876 (OP)
>Thread Question: When was the last time a Pellaeon-class appeared in your games?
Never.

>>95825876 (OP)
>Thread Question: When was the last time a Pellaeon-class appeared in your games?
I haven't hosted a game set in the legacy era so sadly no, I want to host a NJO campaign before I tackle the legacy era.

>>95812513
One of my players did a deal with abominable intelligence and genned up a pic for the flirty chubby twi'lek mechanic NPC in my game.

Uhhhhh, how do we respond, rebelbros?

>>95828814
Cute.
>nothing under the dungarees
10/10 would the chubby twi'lek

>>95829184
I mean I love the separatists too, but they were controlled by the sith and corporations
the civilian side lime the separatist parliament was right, but the military and corporate interests were not
both sides got it wrong, and were all pawns in the same war

>>95829184
yes because true communism has succeeded so many times

>>95829184
Chicks dig rebels especially twi’lek chicks.
>t. started a family with a olive green one.

>>95826543
He doesn’t want to be a gay zombie he wants to be a based liche

DROIDCHADS, GET IN HERE
what is your favourite thing about the droids? why are they so kino? do you wish they were portrayed as less incompetent?

>>95829480
i like them. they look cute.

>>95829455
talzin became a ghost though

How 1) good and 2) supported is SW Legion? And how does it compare to Shatterpoint? The core units seem okay, but I'm a bit annoyed by the memberberry one-off units like Ewoks or Tauntaunts. Also do these games get proper longterm support?

>>95829504
just play 40k.

>>95829480
grievousbros..... why were he and the droids so underutilised?

>>95829504
SW Legion is very fun, the most fun I’ve had playing a mass market wargame. If you are ok with dealing with all the proprietary dice, cards and tokens then it’s a good thing to jump into. It still has regular support and releases after a COVID and corporate restructuring induced dry spell.
Shatterpoint is a game about preset squads, Legion is a game about entirely customizable platoons, it’s closer to a wargame than Shatterpoint.

>>95829480
I wish clone wars showed the shift of droids from robotic episode 2 droids to goofy episode 3 droids to show how years without a central command computer has made many become incompetent

>>95829480
clonefags get a slur to use against droids, why dont us droidGODS get one to use against clones?

>>95829565
DO NOT play 40k
>>95829504
Legion is well supported and fun. AMG has a long term plan for deveoping the game, including repackaging old kits, resculpting soft plastic into new plastic, making new kits for everyone, making new battleforces, new mission, /your dudes/ kits, narrative campaigns and new battleforces.
>>95829646
Call them meatbags. Or buckets. Or slaves. Because they are literally 9 year old child slave soldiers of the republic.

>>95829678
40k is literally leagues better than legions or any other miniature game. the setting is better and the gameplay is better

>>95829616
>Shatterpoint is a game about preset squads
The squads are customizable as long as its the same era.

>>95829565
Ew, no. I hate the lore, aesthetic and the bloated size of minicount.

>>95829616
The customization sounds really fun from what I saw, especially how you can attach specific troopers to your regular regiments. But what about hero units? The other worry I saw when browsing the catalogue was that there seem to be a lot one-off foot heroes, and most seem to be named instead of generic. Are they OP (or make-or-break for specific builds), or are they more just for flavor and to get collectors to buy in?

>>95829691
I am the guy asking, and lolno. Lore is cringe as fuck, gameplay might be okay (but Kill Team is better), and you need a fucking fridge for most armies because of how cheap points wise everything is. Also Marines look lame. If I wanted 40k apologia I'd go to 40k thread.

>>95829480
>do you wish they were portrayed as less incompetent?
No, that destroys their appeal. They are meant to be mass-manufactured cannon fodder, the most affordable military droid that the market has to offer. They're supposed to lose as soon as you pit them against an equal number of competent organic soldiers, because their strength lies in how numerous they are, thanks to their affordability.

Rare B1s that are actually competent can be cool as a subversion of this, but it's something that needs to be done sparingly and it can't be made the standard, without damaging their appeal.

>>95829691
>bro, just wait an hour for your turn doing nothing
>bro, don't mind the fact that all boards look the same with these L shaped ruins
>bro, just be sure to remember what 30 armies do, each with a 100 gotchas and stratagems
>bro, just pay at least 4x as much as you'd pay for Legion to have a playable army
>bro, just roll and reroll your dice 15 times just to do one attack
>bro, just put up with the community being 90% WAACfags
Legion is way more fun and dynamic. It is a constant process of decision making, where every move changes the state of the game. Go back to your containment thread.
t. Former 40kfag

>>95829480

>>95829767

>>95829708
>But what about Hero units?
In general, you tend to build your army around specific Hero units. They give you the command cards, buffs that reward specific units, and a playstyle that combos well with particular squads.

It also depends on your faction, Rebels are the most hero-focused, with most of their squads playing support to the main guys.

Empire has Vader, *the* Hero unit, but they also have a bunch that just support your infantry/vehicles like Krennic, Iden or Veers.

Republic can do both, they can work as a pure clones army, or as a Hero Hammer type of build.

The separatists are probably the least hero-focused faction, their lists are more about durable generic units.

>Are they OP
Most are fairly well-balanced, but they can definitely win you games. They are definitely not just for flavor.

>>95829708
Everyone has options for generic leaders, heros mostly change the way your army plays to match their theme. If you stick to generic units there’s still a good amount of build variety

>>95829716
>lore is cringe as fuck
you need to kill yourself NOW if you think 40k lore is anything other than kino

>>95829841
40K lore is cool when approached at a casual level, like people did before secondaries made it their entire personality. It used to be soulful, the people in your LGS knew the lore of their armies and the lore from the core book, their might be a nerd who read a bunch of black library or who knew what the Horus heresy was. It was kino

>>95829860
>their might be
shocked and astounded at the fact that the retard/ESL is unable to appreciate 40kino

>>95829874
We know you love your lore Mr secondary, which youtuber is your favorite?

>>95829874
Go back to your containment thread, 40kiddie. This is a Star Wars thread.

>>95829841
40k was cool when it was Rogue Trader and it was just Jduge Dread in crack. Then pretentious writers decided to make it serious, which transformed a self-aware but honestly absurd setting into self-unaware cringefest that spends too much time on apologia for its absurdity. Oh and also the caharacters and factions are as deep as a Disney fairytale, except people pretend otherwise because how heckin' grimdark it is. Its appeal is the same appeal as that of Slenderman or other creepypasta dogshit that kids love to slurp up.

>>95829874
Sadly in reality ESLs got colonized by Dawn of War and are 40k's strongest customer base... curse that RTS to hell

>>95829480
They look a bit like ducks and ducks make chill pets.

>>95829184
Empire is communist, they were nationalizing businesses left and right like Venezuela.

>>95829928
you're a faggot lol

4channers, I swear.

About Palpatine’s supposed pro-human racism — is that bullshit or something that used to be a thing in the old lore? It IS sort of weird that the Empire has so few aliens in its ranks vs the Republic and the Rebels. Is it a situation where the Empire isn’t specifically racist per se it’s just that because humans are the dominant / most numerous race they end up just representing the privileged social strata which would be able to get spots in the Empire’s ranks the most? Palpatine himself never seemed to care about bringing in non-humans into positions of power — hell he even had a non-human Apprentice, someone who he fully intended to make the second most powerful person in the galaxy under himself and even one day replace him as the Sith Master. It’s hard to see him as a pro-human racist.

>>95831459
Palpatine was not personally racist in the old lore. He just found pro-human racism a useful sentiment in building the Empire.

If Vader came aboard an Imperial ship or station etc and some low-level rating ran up to him to report corruption and malfeasance — what would happen? Would he execute the commanding officer on the spot for letting the injury to operations happen at all? Or would he just kill the guilty parties and tell the commanding officer that he better never happen again? I get the feeling he’d immediately kill guilty crew, publically kill the commanding officer, put the whistler blower in charge of his or her section and tell next commanding officer that he’d better never hear of something like that happening again.

Also, how would Palp differ in that situation? Would instead put the absolute fear of God into the commanding officer because he’d rather make use of someone enslaved to fear than see them killed? Which is, in fact, the wiser move and why he’s such a successful Sith Lord. Being confronted with that situation would certainly piss him off, but emotions will never rule him.

>>95831581
>>95831647
they'd both ignore the person. They don't care about the average grunt.

>>95831459
We know for certain that Palpatine's power base is in the privilaged core and well-off midrim worlds, which also happens to be mostly human-dominant space. Meanwhile Rebels mostly operate in the Outer Rim that is primarily alien. Not to mention the Sepratist roots of Rebelion which again means more aliens. And at least in old lore, COMPNOR were a bunch of incompetant brownshirts that Palpy subsumed to act as useful propagandist idiots while the ISB did all the actually competant work.

Personally in my headcannon I imagine Palpatine as a bit of a racist Mid-Rim hick at his heart - sure he might be a politically genious Sith lord, but you can't quite kick the Nabooan noble out. A good ol' boy if you will, granted, a post-Goldwater one, who replaced openly hating aliens with law and order rethoric.

>>95831657
So, he’s racist BUT the racism isn’t that important to him, what’s important is power and building a strong organization with him in undisputed control of it. So if it’s there a talented, useful alien who is wholly loyal to him he’s not stupid enough to turn them away even if he’d PREFER it if there only humans around.

>>95831647
I'm kind of curious about how Palpy viewed the Empire, in both old and new lore. I think you could definetly have a reading of him where despite his political accumen, he was a bit of a sleezbag that sat on his laurels and was content to just heavy handedly squeeze out resistence, which was relegated to his not overly competant subordinates. Tarkin especially seems as a candidate to be accussed of being a nepo-baby just due to him managing to vibe it out with Palpy, despite his disasterous doctrine. Even the competant ones like Yularen seemed too heavy handed and made shit worse by pushing too far.

>>95831685
I'd say that's a fair reading of it. Thrawn is perfect example of just that.

>A breakaway Pro Empire Movement forms in response to the fact the Empire covers up atrocities and they want to indulge in the publicized slaughter of rebel scum. Tactics includes public grotesque displays for defiqnce. Citizens forced to grovel at the mountain of skulls after a crushed rebellion and other public atrocities

Not to get super autistic, but EU Grand Master Luke at the height of his abilities could probably easily defeat a young Sidious clone, but do you think he could beat 2 of them at once? 3? How ridiculously powerful is he?

>>95831459
I assume he just use the existing human-centric sentiments in the human-dominated Core Worlds for his advantage. By promoting humanocentrism he could divide his potential opponents by making it less likely for humans and aliens to ally against him, and gain support from humans without really doing anything for them. It's a classic strategy for an authoritarian regime to pick some group that is clearly distinct from the majority of the population and distrusted/disliked on some level, brand them as the enemy of the people, and then justify increased crackdown on peoples' freedoms as necessary to fight said enemy. It would also serve to make even the humans the Empire is oppressing less likely to rebel, since they would consider themselves superior to the aliens and fear they would lose that special status if the Empire would fall and the aliens would gain more power (the "I may be knee-deep in shit, but at least I'm not neck-deep in shit like those guys" mentality).

>>95829691
>40k is literally leagues better than legions
Most common thing I hear from 40k players is how bad 40k has become...

>>95829841
As ex 40k fag who read all codexes, bl books and even forge world books, lol no. 40k lore sucks ass for like 10 years now, it now turned into edgier marvelslop. It looks cool on the surface but deeper you go the worse it gets.

>>95833666
Yeah but they always say that.

Do jedi fuck their padawans pederasty style?

>>95833713
It's called addiction, they should have chosen crack it would have been cheaper and less damaging in long run.

Luke (Empire) vs Maul (Phantom Menace)

>>95829691
I play both and Legion is way better. At least pre shadow collective rules update was, haven't played since then

Palpatine probably made all important decisions using Force guidance. Like when he searched the Force to name Vader. That’s also why seems to just chill and let people like Tarkin go nuts — because from a Sith Master’s viewpoint, the people, ideologies, processes, choices, etc, don’t actually matter that much; what matters is destiny, the karmic state of the galaxy, and the waxing / waning of the Dark Side. So from his perspective, doing deep meditations amidst ancient Sith artifacts, casting his mind throughout the galaxy and seeing how things will unfold, he felt confident that the current course was the right one because as far as he could see the Dark Side was surging. But….it makes me wonder if the Dark Side can be an unreliable narrator? Because the fact is he could NOT see the Death Star being destroyed. Maybe he was putting himself in a feedback loop where he influenced the Force to show him what he wanted to see.

Also, why can’t we get a SW media about Luke being a mature, confident Jedi Master? It’s like Disney has no interest in the character and wants to dump him as early as possible to make way for their next Disney princess. It’s like actively disdain the character, which is really strange.

>>95833720
Seems like that would lead to unacceptable attachment. Better to have the padawans get passed around among the other Jedi who aren't their master.

>>95833836
play that one mission in battlefront 2 if you want jedi master luke actually acting like a jedi and not lightsaber ai deepfake slop like the mandoverse

>>95833836
Because Luke is George's OC, and everyone involved with OT is now super old, including actors.
New creators are from prequell or clone wars era, their OC is Ahsoka, Ventress, Rex, or other Clone Wars/Rebels characters. With Luke there is no way for them to shine, like we see Anakin talking to Ahsoka and not Luke, despite Ahsoka not mattering that much in comparision to Luke who turned Vader from dark side.
Everyone who cared about Luke is now retired.

>>95833836
Luke is white, male, and beloved by boys and manchildren the world over. The coven of harpies, crones, and faggots currently running Lucasfilm & Disney would view any positive depiction of Luke in any context other than him having the wisdom to stand aside so the more powerful, more diverse next generation can put his meagre accomplishments to shame as a defeat in the Culture War they simply cannot abide.

They would genuinely run the whole franchise utterly into the ground, piss on the corpse, burn what remains, and salt the ground beneath the ashes for all time than do anything that might make one of the Fandom Menace types happy even for one miniscule instant.

>>95832663
El reino de Jehova...

>>95829745
Ehhh, its not really for nothing. For one, its basically a somewhat guided tutorial back into the FFG system for all of us, since we havent played it for years. Secondly, its a good example of what the rebel cells they will be dealing with later will be like. Sure, you can say that the Larper agreeing immediately once he's there after all that work means nothing, but its not like his word is god. The janitor as you put it could take a bunch of guys and just fuck off if they dont think the cause is worth it/ arent convinced that the rebellion can put their money where their mouth is. After all, for every mon mothma theres a gurerra or those fuckin idiots on Yavin in Andor S2.

Luke should have been a background character in the Sequel Trilogy. Have it center around one of his students, you can even make her a girl, whatever.
Then in the last movie have them team up during the final mission. Instant kino

Even though we only to see him a few times, how strong should Jedi Master Luke be? Like, walk into Star Killer base alone and defeat the First Order on his own?

>>95829184
>the group backed by a series of hyper-corporations and led by an aristocratic supreme leader whose literal title is Count is communist
I have fallen for bait haven’t I?

>>95833851
They just need to teach them to do it without emotion

>>95829184
I mean, communism is evil, every country that had it gladly got rid of it, and current commie countries are police states that need to constantly opress citizens to maintain power.
If anything Empire is closest to communism.

>>95834747
If the Empire were communist it would have seized control of the means of production. It didn't. It allowed its powerful corporations to continue to operate as long as they operated in support of the state. Just like in fascism.

>>95826543
his faglord master was into that shit and guess what happened to him

>>95834569
Yes, although the point about Dooku is an accurate one. Most great leftists come not from the disadvantaged but by intellectual, cultural, or religious elites driven to extremism by their understanding of noblesse oblige.

>>95834805
Same thing happened in USSR under Lenin.

>>95825876 (OP)
How do I Partisanmax? Is there a Partisan fansite/hyper concentration of Partisan content on the internet somewhere? Canon members, X-Wing/U-Wing art, etc? Asking for clarity of purpose .

>>95834747
>>95834805
The Empire is pic related. They do nazi-like stuff or commie-like stuff as each story requires. They're human supremacists (totally ideological and not just to limit costume expenses) which is kind of like nazism. The stories about them violently nationalizing disfavored corporations (Incom) and trying to wipe out belief in religion (the Force) make them sound very communist. They're a generic authoritarian, bureaucratic, militaristic police state that doesn't stick to a single clear and coherent ideology - kind of like the real ones looked in practice from the perspective of outsiders, whatever philosophical stories they told each other while doing it.

>>95834983
All of that plus a colonial empire on its worst day... forever.

>>95833998
A lot of women like Luke. It's really just the disneysloppers and the newfags who want ahsoka, rex etc. Most people who like Luke have probably checked out of Star Wars by now.

>>95834879
Really?

>>95834983
They follow a ideology of “might makes right” and “absolute power”. They can and will do anything to hold power and rule with an iron first. After all, the Galactic Empire is ruled by a Sith Emperor.

>>95835870
>Most people who like Luke have probably checked out of Star Wars by now.
>probably
What Luke-positive media has Disney released? The ONLY thing I can think of is the end of Mando S2, which was retroactively ruined with how they handled Luke in S2.5 (Book of Boba Fett)

Sheev is from Naboo.

>>95826447
Was Needa really that incompetent? Seemed like he mostly just caught Vader on a bad day.

>>95834805
That's not really what happened. The KDY board was so pissed with Imperial oversight, they voted to join the New Republic, and Kuat of Kuat nearly blew up the shipyards until Boba Fett stopped him. Please stop taking Wookieepedia article and fanon assumptions so literally. And if you have to read one, read about Imperialization and the deleted opening scene of ANH. The Empire is very clearly based on the Soviet Union to the Rebellion's USA.

>>95836276
Ah yes, you’re right. Still, Needa failed and wasted everyone including Vader’s
time by coming all the way to apologize instead of doing his job and keep looking for the falcon.

>>95836276
Every day is a bad day for Vader.

>>95836303
>Rebellion
>USA
>George Lucas calling the Empire "The American Empire" and the rebels the Vietcong.

You can like something and disagree with the politics dude. George is a raging leftist.

>>95836602
>a raging leftist
Given that this mindset is from the late 60s/early 70s the modern analogy is closer to a tolerant centrist.
Also, all the postmodern nonsense is from Disney.

>>95836637
Palpatine was Bush, he is totally a leftist.

>>95836660
>Palpatine was Bush
When they shot TPM, Bush Sr. had been out of office for years and bush jr was Governor of Texas, but you go and beieve what you choose to believe.

George Lucas certainly wrote the Empire as the evil Nazi Japanes British Empire in Space, but that is not much different from any of the cartooney villains from pulp scifi.
And the rebels are the Viet Cong who fight for freedom and justics and democracy, which I will say is an idiotic take at the best of times.
If the latter makes him a lunatic leftist for you, well lots and lots of the hippies (and the boomer generation in general) fell for communist propaganda.

>>95836660
>>95836698
Lucas described Palpatine as a Richard Nickson type of guy, so if he's supposed to be based on any one person that'd be him. However, I think he's more supposed to be a slimy politician archetype, which Lucas also saw Nickson as, rather than based on any one person.
RotS does definitely have commentary on trading freedom for security (that's how Palpatine got himself declared emperor), which would have been relevant in a post-9/11 world, but that might have been coincidental since the idea as a lot older and Lucas would have been planning the films for a long time (the emperor having been the Republic's head of state who got the senate to give him increasing amounts of emergency powers until he could become a monarch was already present in early drafts of the first film).

>>95826447
>>95836276
His handler got blown up the same day he killed his best friend and got humiliated by a fucking Corellian. There was nobody to reign him in as his mental state deteriorated so he just started killing people for any old reason. In New Hope, Tarkin keeps him from choking a dude out but with Tarkin gone there was no level-headed villain to tell him to stop that so he just let's his evil impulses run wild.

>>95829771
A lot of loyalty for a roger-roger!

>>95836303
I dunno, the Empire’s military structure is very American. It always seemed to me it was supposed to be America but with a Nazi edge. The even has a Joint Chiefs staff body, I don’t know what else to tell you lol.

>>95836156
New Economic Policy (HЭП). After trying to implement leftoid pipe dreams and predictably shitting themselves, they had to go back to allowing privately owned companies.

>>95833712
Nu40k isn't canon. Gathering shit is the cutoff point, maybe even Damocles-2.

>>95837457
iirc it followed Brittish command structure with a nazi twist back in legends

>>95837457
>>95837787

Notice how NO ONE cares even slightly about the Rebellion / New Republic. It’s like they’re just a background framing device, an irrelevancy.

>>95837841
I care

>>95837841
Bad guys are usually more interesting then the good guys.
I do find Saw's guerillas and the early chaotic and splintered rebellion we see in Andor s2 interesting. Post-Yavin rebellion is kinda bland to be honest.

>>95837457
>Supreme Commander
>Grand General
>Fleet General
>No Colonel rank in ISB
>No Ensign in Navy, but there is one in the Army
>Director isn't in Advanced Weapons Research, whose rank is equivalent to Admiral, while Assistant Director is equivalent to Colonel
I smell bullshit on most of those.

>>95826313
Most of his downtime was spent porking mara jade

>>95836165
>the Galactic Empire is ruled by a Sith Emperor
Who never tells anyone but Vader about his real motives and beliefs and spends most of his time larping as Augustus Caesar in public. Most New Order enthusiasts wouldn't recognize or accept Sith beliefs as anything but Jedi/Force nonsense even if it's what their boss is tricking them into carrying out.

>>95829480
They're essentially the classic fantasy undead but robots.

>>95837982
To be fair to the guy who did that, making sense of Imperial ranks is like the story of Sisyphus as told by Kafka. Every example has exceptions, and those exceptions often also have exceptions. None of it helped by the fact there have been several "official" attempts to solve it over the years, all of which are mutually exclusive and none of which actually succeed.

At some point you just have to accept that you're making a headcanon and do what makes sense to you personally. That guy went with strict prescriptions for each org. I went with the idea that the various lines of colour combos refer to broad areas of responsibility(ground military, space military, security forces, intelligence services, logistics for red/blue, blue/red, blue/yellow, red/yellow, and yellow/red respectively) and you have to kind of infer more specific info based on context, with the most important thing being that you can tell at-a-glance where in the hierarchy a person is rather than being able to rattle off their exact unit. I found trying to get more specific than that just runs into too many complications, and even then I had to choose to ignore or invent stuff here & there.

>>95837841
People like the Empire as a faction, people like the Rebels/NR as *characters*, official or ones of their own making. I find trying to reconcile the Empire's ridiculous organisation and society entertaining, but when I think about Rebels I think about *my* Rebel cell led by *my* Glup Shitto and the exact details of how the wider org works beyond "eventually they mostly all pull in the same direction, the Empire falls, and the NR is formed" don't matter to me.

>>95837841
I liked the new republic in the EU but that was probably because it’s what I grew up with. Disney New Republic hardly exists

>>95836602
Lucas was talking about the disparity in strength, not ideology

>>95837841
The Rebellion is pretty cool, the New Republic is cursed because JJ Abrams wanted to remake New Hope so the New Republic had to be nuked into irrelevancy, then Rian Johnson had them get completely conquered offscreen.

I like the Starhawk, and I like their powder blue uniforms. But ultimately they're going to forever remain a poorly thought out background faction of jobbers since they just kind of let themselves be conquered for no reason

>When the abuses of the Empire breeeds a stormtrooper who fancies himself as the space version of Genghis Khan/Tamerlane and builds skull mountains off crushed revolts

I wonder why the X-Wing corps were so much better than the Tie Fighter squadrons? Presumably the Rmpire should have a better pilot training pipeline but it always seemed like Rebels were walking all over them. Is it down to having better fighter hardware?

>>95839393
>Motivated team structure that doesn't encourage backstabbing and expendable recruits
Gee I wonder...

I love the rank of Colonel. When I self-insert in any kind of media I love, the rank I hold or retire to is Colonel.

Picked up a few novels at the thrift store today. After finishing the Thrawn Trilogy, I've decided to go into the Jedi Academy series. I don't have a copy of Jedi Search or Champions of the Force, though. Will have to find those.

As far as tabletop RPGs go, what is your preferred system? I've played some of the FF RPG but I really didn't care for it. Proprietary dice and a glut of character options. Not really my thing.
My group predominantly plays AD&D1e. Is the West End RPG fun? I think I'd like to give that a shot.

Did any of the West End D6 sourcebooks provide a stat block for T-16 Skyhoppers? I seem to remember those vehicles appearing in some premade adventures as makeshift combat craft, but I can't recall them ever giving details.

>>95838098
He doesn't even tell Vader.

Why are Americans like this?

https://x.com/govpressoffice/status/1932447842683249033?s=46&t=gYwNoULX-dIoQoPDsrG55Q

>looks at the top left
BREAKING: dave filoni found dead, cause of death was suicide

>>95840854
Don't worry she just used Force Astral Projection to give Rey her power boost and then went back to doing whatever undoubtedly important task she was supposed to be doing in 19bby+54

>>95838377
No he wasn't. He said as such.

He's a fucking raging communist hippie that called America an empire and Disney white slavers. You don't have to like the man or agree with him to say his politics inspired a good story.

>>95839393
Choose two of the following for your military training program:
>A quick and efficient process that churns out battle-ready soldiers at a rapid pace.
>Intensive combat training that ensures that soldiers are capable and competent combatants.
>Heavy indoctrination that instils fanatical loyalty and ensures that soldiers are more than willing to die for the cause.
You can't have all three and for storm troopers and TIE pilots alike, the Empire focuses on numbers and indoctrination, at least by the time that we get to A New Hope.
TIE fighters are nothing more than rudimentary cockpits with two laser cannons and two over-sized engines attached, and TIE pilots are the poor suckers who willingly climb into them to die a glorious death for the empire. In theory, great pilots could work wonders with TIE fighters, as their high speed, high manoeuvrability and high damage output rewards skilled piloting. Unfortunately, most TIE pilots are not great pilots.
Meanwhile, the X-wing is a more balanced fighter that actually has shields and armour and other supportive systems that the TIE fighter lacks, as well as more firepower and almost as much speed and manoeuvrability. They're over twice as expensive, but all of this means that if you put two pilots of equal skill in a TIE fighter and an X-wing, the one in the X-wing is almost certainly going to come out on top.
So it's a combination of superior hardware and the Empire's pilot pipeline being focused on indoctrination and mass production, rather than cockpit competency.

>>95840854
>ewan mcgregor obi-wan ghost
>qui-gon ghost
So, whoever made this is a certified retard.

Sequels are not canon, by the way.

>>95841296
>complaining about obi-wan and qui-gon as ghosts and not literally everyone else
its just a representation of the voices of jedi past in the movie, try not to think of it too deeply

how do these compare to collector edition mtg stuff. The few vids Ive checked the print quality looks lightyears ahead of any mtg slop right now.

Where do Starwards unlimited prints their cards anyway.

>>95840854
>h-hey Dad, Obi-Wan, how come you guys look so young? Hahah...
>Yoda you had a fucking lightsaber this whole time?

>hey guys I heard there was a force ghost party, I brought cupcakes

>>95839949
Galaxy Guide 7: Mos Eisley
Pages 32-33.
Page 57 also includes a Squib trader called Mace Windu. He works for a Jawa.

>>95833869
We must be better men tier

>>95841252
>Choose two of the following for your military training program

>A quick and efficient process that churns out battle-ready soldiers at a rapid pace.
>Intensive combat training that ensures that soldiers are capable and competent combatants.
If you can't make the plebs loyal to your empire without overt heavy handed indoctrination, then it's doomed to fail.

>>95843616
That typically ends in a military coup.

>>95839393
Maybe because bad X-wing pilot is dead X-wing pilot, so only good one are left after first battle, meanwhile Empire can spam new Tie fighters for days.
Also in movies there isn't much preformance diference between Tie or X-wings, they go 1 for 1 most of the time.
If we go by what movies showed us and not what background material tells us like "tie pilots are elite, but also expendable" bullshit, then Empire have really effective fleet doctrine.
X-wing is just fighter of the poor, it need life support, hyper drive and astro mech because rebels are poor. Tie fighter don't need life support or hyperdrive because Empire is rich and Tie is always operating from ISD or base, When Rebels want to attack something they send bunch of letters, when Empire wish to attack something they sens minimum 1 ISD because they can afford to flex on poor.

>>95843662
I am the military.

>>95843803
I think it's less that the empire is rich and more that the empire needs 1.8 million TIEs just to equip their star destroyers alone, before even looking at every other larger or smaller ship, space station and ground facility also needs fighters. Then it starts to matter whether your fighter costs 60k credits or 150k credits.

>>95843887
Also good point.
Still why overpay for fighter that have the same combat preformance if you alredy have thousands of ISD to serve as hyperdrive.

>>95843803
>When Rebels want to attack something they send bunch of letters, when Empire wish to attack something they sens minimum 1 ISD because they can afford to flex on poor.
That was the problem with the TIE though. ISDs just didn’t have the same response time as an independent fighter squadron for whatever reason. No clue how a snubfighter is faster than a capital ship in hyperspace hence the need for hyperdrive equipped fighters like TIE Hunters, Avengers, and Defenders to rapidly respond to X-Wing strikes.

While the sequels are horrifically bad, I actually like the Starfortress. It's a pretty neat design.

>>95844297
>neat design
>slow as fuck
>need to be directly above enemy to drop bombs
>one hit destroys entire squadron
>looks like obese child of nebulon b
While I feel conflicted about calling it most retarded scene of TLJ, because that's bar that isn't low but is buried under ground, they were retarded.
They also look like they were build to dive to Death Star wreckage but imploded along the way.

>>95844297
>instead of building a fleer of nimble bombers
>let’s build one starfighter…capable of carrying 1000 bombs
>all we need to do is build a microgravity launcher that fires them straight down in a single massive payload
>no we can’t make it faster
Starfortress looks cool but it’s so conceptually retarded I was basically rooting for the First Order. You are banking on the idea that only one bomber needs to survive to drop its payload and every other bomber is a sacrifice.

>>95844330
>need to be directly above the enemy to drop bombs
Oh come on, that's how all bombers work in Star Wars. You can see it in TCW with Hyenas or in Mandalorian during the destruction of mandalore

>most retarded scene in TLJ
That has to be the Holdo Maneuver

>>95844389
>or in Mandalorian during the destruction of mandalore
Aren’t they launching bombs under the effects of gravity in that scenario?

>>95844383
It was kind of silly how they all died from a couple of shots, but the idea of heavy bombers is pretty cool.

Star Wars is generally quite schizophrenic about how much damage a ship can take before being destroyed.

>>95844330
This.
God, the sequel trilogy is literally a bunch of people with no imagination and no real understanding of Star Wars (or plot, dialog, fight choreo...), cannibalizing what better people had done before, right down to squeezing everything they could out of old, unused, concept art, and combining it with their politics and fan fic level plot and dialog.

Disney: "Duh, like, George used WWII footage and stuff for inspo, so, like, we'll make bombers like WWII."

Fan: "Star Wars already has a rebel bomber."

Disney: "But, like, this one is ours, and it's more WWII."

Fan: "Allied bombers were a million times more robust than your retarded, floating, roman candles. What are they made of, flash paper?"

Disney: "I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of all this corpo money. If you don't eat the slop, it's because you're a racist, sexist, chud."

>>95844297
I liked it in the fact that it was reminiscent of a WW2 design which inspired Lucas. I disliked everything else including the stupid way of only being able to drop bombs down in space where there is no gravity as well as having to be a way that the most pointless SW character, Rose Tico, had a story.

>>95844389
>Oh come on, that's how all bombers work in Star Wars.
Not Y-wings.
This shit was retarded, like I get they wanted B17/B29 ww2 vibe, but this shit wasn't used in naval combat, dive mombers were.
>mandalore
you mean when Imps were dropping bombs on planet, you know stuff that pulls all things down? From what I saw hyenas also bombed in planet's gravity and atmo.
>holdo
Maybe, dunno, it's hard to decide, this movie was such disaster and I try to not remember it as much as I can.
>>95844456
It would make more sense if they dropped all bombs on some first order base, maybe even starkiller, you know how real strategic bombers were used, not to assault battleship, thing that was done by more nimble and quicker dive and torpedo bombers.

>>95840854
I wish they kept Luke and Leia channeling into Rey in the movie like the script, it would have made it so much more fucking palatable if the Skywalkers actually contributed to defeating Palpatine.

>>95840854
How did this get past Lucasfilm? Very few of those should be force ghosts unless its just symbolic.

>>95841670
I can't believe there is only one Luke in the whole fucking set and its farmboy Luke on the deathstar, meanwhile a billion anakins/vaders and a barriss inquistor leader for some reason.

>>95844609
that would've been better, even if it is still disgusting.

>>95840854
she was always in it, Ashley Eckstein voices an Ahsoka line for Rey in that terrible segment

>>95844767
thats the point, everyone knew ahsoka was in it, thus she was confirmed dead
filoni comes out and says "oh uhhh it might not be that! luke force projected himself across the galaxy remember!" and posts a picture of ahsoka with gandalf

this adaptation comes out years later and once again confirms, ahsoka was there, and she is dead

>>95845094
>filoni comes out and says "oh uhhh it might not be that! luke force projected himself across the galaxy remember!" and posts a picture of ahsoka with gandalf
are you fucking serious? source? I feel like its 100% guaranteed Ahsoka becomes the new sister and an embodiment of the light side which is garbage fucking shit

>>95845106

Just because most of the people who contributed to the spirit bomb were dead doesn't mean all of them were.

>>95845158
>most
all. every single character who spoke to rey in TRoS is confirmed dead

>>95844609
>it would have made it so much more fucking palatable if the Skywalkers actually contributed to defeating Palpatine.

But that did happen, Rey Skywalker defeated Palpatine.

>>95845386
Rey Palpatine you mean.

>>95845574
>>95845386
You're both wrong

>>95844330
>>95844447
Replace the big pod with a massive rack of a dozen starfighter sized anti-capship torpedoes and have it fire from the edge of the engagement. Or just one massive rack with thousands upon thousands of regular fighter proton torpedoes.

How often did Palpatine do his Sith Lord cackle in public? He’s done it once or twice in the films, like he was arriving at the Death Star and did the cackle while being flanked by Vader and the commanding officer what’s-his-face. Does he do that often? Ie, if he’s having a meeting with the ISB and at the end of the meeting he feels like things are going in a good direction and blesses the attendees with a Sith laugh? Everyone who reports to the Emperor just brushes it off as a harmless eccentricity?

>>95845386
Not canon.

>>95842881
Thank you. That's the last place I would have considered looking.

>>95845685
He usually did it at childrens parties to entertain the kids. Naturally he didn't let Vader attend those.

How did Krayt's Rule of One even work? How do you take something as self-defeating and individualistic as the sith code and turn it to the good of the whole?

>>95840854
>>95845094
She can still be force projecting.

>>95846991
It doesn’t work which is why the other Sith Lords bully Krayt. It’s basically a cult around Darth Krayt and they all betray him anyway especially his number two but it’s strength is that it reduces the weakness the banite Sith experienced. Both Sidious and Vader died and the order vanished. The One Sith allows a continuous succession but Krayt ironically didn’t plan for his own and as the most powerful he believed he wouldn’t be killed in his cult of personality.

I do like the One Sith. It was a fun twist in Legacy

>>95847202
Bane never made his banite Sith to be eternal, only to topple the Jedi and the Republic, afterwards the successor would shape the galaxy in their own image, yet if they failed and the sith were lost, so be it. Banite Sith and the Brotherhood of Sith were nowhere near the Old Sith Empire

>>95844330
it should have just fired Missles

>>95844297
>>95844330
>>95847434
I like this version some anon made a while back better.

>>95846991
>>95847202
The hypocrisy of seeking knowledge from the dead. To seek aid from specters of the past is admitting your own weakness. Krayt would have better legitimized himself by truly abolishing the old ways instead but in the end he was simply a coward afraid of his own demise.

all terrain my ass

>>95847601
boobytraps are a terrain type now?

>>95847703
unstable terrain is still terrain

>>95825876 (OP)
The Empire do be kinda based tho

>>95847876
But why did he punch him in the crotch?

>>95847876
>Siege of Los Angeles, 2025, markers on canvas

>>95848044
I wish.

Working on figuring out the standard Clone Infantry platoon and Droid infantry platoon for a Chain of Command 2e conversion. I know the following to be true
>Clone platoons are 36 troopers, 4 squads of 9
>Droid platoons are 56 B1s, 7 squads of 8
My question for any lore guys out here, any idea on how they would typically be outfitted and what support they would commonly have? Would a clone platoon have an embedded Missile Tube team? Or is this kind of stuff pretty much solely in the realm of Legion rules?

>>95848063
>t. would piss his panties and curl up in a ball weeping if ever put in even the tiniest amount of actual physical danger

>>95848510
You wish.

>>95848448
To expand on this my general idea of the structure is
Clone Platoon
>1 Lieutenant
>4 Squads, each led by a Sergeant with 8 additional guys
This fits the lore that a Lieutenant is in charge of 36 clones and each squad is 9 guys. Simple

Droids are a more complicated matter. They have 7 squads of 8 in lore, fine. However the game wouldn't work too well juggling that many independent groups, so condensing them into "phalanxes" like they're seen in the show makes sense. I had a few ideas
>4 phalanxes of 14, each with a sergeant and all led by a lieutenant
This is my current idea, though I have to work out the specific details to try to get the lieutenant to fit into the total number of 56, since the lore says they're 56 total, not 1 man above 36

>>95848028
Gotta cup-check your troopers every now and then to make sure they wear the entire Imperial uniform.

>>95848781
I bet she checks her personal guard every day.

How big was the Imperial Navy vs the Army? Was the Stormtrooper Corps a part of the Army or were they semi-independent like the USMC? Did the Rebels have an Army organization?

>>95849685
Hard to tell since the Army was a massive conscripted force used to solidify the Empire's borders. My bet is that the Army was larger than the Navy in the early days, but as time went on the Army was gradually replaced by the Stormtrooper Corps and the Navy only continued to balloon in size. It's stated that the Navy had 25,000 star destroyers at it's peak, not even counting support craft like corvettes and cruisers.

The stormtrooper corps was it's own semi-independent organization just like the USMC.

The rebels did have a divide between Army and Navy, however its organization is never very clear since the rebellion is an ad-hoc alliance of militia groups.

>>95848448
Why is the clone standing there?
What is he thinking?

>>95849856
>There's sand in my shoes
>This armor sucks
>It's so fucking hot
>Why is it so dry
>The LAAT carrying our reinforcements just got blown up
>The jedi knight I was assigned to died in the arena before we even got here
>My sergeant just got kidnapped by Geonosians
>There's sand in my shoes

>>95849956
Poor clone :/

What if Durge killed Obi-Wan and the Muunilinst 10 at the Muun Command Center?

What if Obi-Wan didn’t stop Durge and the IG lancer droids?

What if Mace Windu didn’t destroy the Seismic Tank at Dantooine?

What would happen in all of this?

So like why didn’t Voolvif Monn and his men never encountered Durge or any of his lancer droids?

Everyone sleeping or drinking or something?

>>95833869
I remember this. Surprisingly cogent depiction of a master jedi in an otherwise forgettable game.

>>95847202
Why is Nihilus there? He was literally just a snack hole and gave exactly zero shits about sith tradition.

>>95846939
No thanks needed. Honestly, I just used Wookiepedia to check the T-16's page, then checked which books it appeared in and then worked my way through the Galaxy Guide backwards, because I stupidly thought that there'd be more stat blocks near the back until I found the right page.

>>95850977
Only problem with this is they give Han Solo a lame naval officer uniform, when George wanted him to look like this

>>95851000
Deckard?!

>>95848448
>any idea on how they would typically be outfitted and what support they would commonly have?
To my knowledge I don’t think they every go into it. I’m going to be lazy/retarded and suggest since it’s an American franchise just organise them the same way the Army/USMC does, for the Sep’s choose a historical enemy the US fought and go from there.

>>95851000
I’m in agreement, that uniform looks really out of place on him

>>95851000
We don't know much about how Han would've been in George's version I think. He'd be working for the New Republic in some capacity, I mean he's married to Leia. He owns a shipping company in the Disney canon which is where his ship the Ervana in TFA came from. So I think the idea he'd gone straight in that way but then rejoins the New Republic's navy to help fight the Imperial Remnant works. Especially if his kids are involved and there's personal stakes.

As for the uniform, I think he looks way cooler in a trenchcoat but he has worn alliance fatigues before be it on Hoth or Endor. And he's worn a navy uniform in Legends so I wouldn't be against it in small doses, but it shouldn't be his main look. Leia also had a really basic uniform in TFA that didn't suit her. Her Last Jedi look suited the character more.

>>95848529
All bootlickers are natural cowards, it's why they love licking boots, it lets them fantasize about being the powerful one who inflicts harm instead of their normal state of perpetual panty-wetting terror while also allowing them to dissociate from the fact that they're objectively creepy psycho fucks who fantasize about inflicting violence on people by projecting their desires onto others.

Every single person that talks shit about protestors and goons over social media of copthugs at protests who I've met IRL has been a massive, soppy, gaping pussy when shit got real, and I doubt you'd be the exception bub.

I'm still waiting for them to adapt Kyle Katarn into canon. Even if they're only willing to go as far as Finn, as least do something with him. There's no reason they can't reboot the Dark Forces and (OG) Jedi Knight games with Finn.

>>95852192
You seem a little heated, compadre.

My players ended the session in hyperspace and they heard a sudden slamming noise on their hull. What are some cool hyperspace monsters or threats for them to deal with that it could be?

>>95847202
Ironically Krayt's One Sith aren't very different from the ancient Sith Orders. Cult around Krayt it is, only in theory, in reality he gets toppled, and the Sith continue without him, in larger numbers.

>>95853012
One interesting thing about the star wars universe is that you can randomly encounter a thing you haven't heard of before and potentially has never been recorded.

Make it a dog sized graboid that is vantablack or can only be seen from the side or something, let them shoot it to death easily, and if they try to get it identified have whoever looks at it go "huh. weird. haven't seen one of those before."

>>95853036
>and the Sith continue without him, in larger numbers.
as soon as he died the One Sith basically collapsed. There was a purge on Krayt loyalists, factions were fighting, their numbers dwindled and they had to go back into hiding with one of them trying to bring back the rule of two.

>>95826313
>Also why didn’t he teach Vader any Sith sorcery? Was that something Sith were supposed to figure out on their own?
Pretty sure he considered Vader a failure post RotS and saw him as more of an enforcer than a proper apprentice. If he'd stopped being useful Palpatine almost certainly would have tried to just dispose of him and make Mara Jade or one of his other similar to but legally distinct from Sith underlings his new apprentice.

>>95826313
How do we know Sheev didn't teach Vader Sith Sorcery

From the Republic to the Empire, Henry Kissinger.

>>95853285
No, they hid and basically did Grand Plan 2.0. Your image literally makes that clear. The Rule of Two guy was a blimp who got a bunch of nameless mooks killed. We never see Nihl, nor Talon, nor Saarai dead.

>>95853480
I only the Empire spammed tartan patrol cruisers then they wouldn't have lost the Death Star

>the fallen ex-jedi, who had a red lighsaber, has pale skin, a bald head and who became a bounty hunter
wait am i talking about aurra sing or ventress here?

>>95853480
This game taught me that TIE fighters and bombers are way better than X-wings and Y-wings.
Also we never get as good star wars game as this.

>>95854230
>This game taught me that TIE fighters and bombers are way better than X-wings and Y-wings.
You needed a game to tell you that?

>>95854245
It was 20 years ago, I was a kid, all I saw was bunch of rebels blowing up imperial stuff in movies. Then I played this game, where whilerebel fighters had slightly better preformance than imperials, single corvette wiped multiple squadrons in seconds all the same but at least TIE were free so no credits were lost.

>>95853329
Vader did try some in the newer comics, but the core reasoning would be that Vader never showed interest in actually learning more sith powers and Palpatine by that time had grown disillusioned by Vader's lack of progress and probably had the mentality of "if he asks"
and what >>95853308 said.

>>95854230
And everyone is voiced by Steve Blum

>>95854508
Yes anon it's 2006 game.

>>95854245
>You needed a game to tell you that?
I did, but it was a different game.

what's the star wars equivalent of indirect fire support?

>>95854245
>>95854641
The mindset and fitness exercise of a TIE pilot.

>>95850540
I don’t. Guess he was lucky or otherwise he would be dead right?

The idea that Sidious was anything but a true-blue Sith loyalist is fanfiction. He fully committed to the Sith bit and trained his apprentices as Sith Lords, nothing less. He didn’t need to induct them into the secrets of the Sith if all he wanted was useful force-users. He rose Apprentices as Sith just as Plagueis raised him, just as Tenebrous raised Plagueis, etc. He may have had a string of failed Apprentices but he never once broke the Rule of Two which he had been raised into by Plagueis. He didn’t try to bring Luke in as a second Apprentice, he tried to get Luke to off Vader and be the replacement Apprentice, which is probably the way the a Rule of Two Masters handled disappointing Apprentices. WHY evil characters would willingly raise their own replacements I don’t know — maybe some weird Dark Side knowledge about attaining immortality as a Force ghost, some karmic balance thing that’s hard for normies to understand, etc. Sith, like the Jedi, isn’t a club of mages who learn how to use supernatural powers, it’s a religious-like cult packed with inner mysteries, wisdom on the unseen aspects of reality, etc, and very difficult for mortals to grasp intuitively. At the highest level, a duel between a Sith and a Jedi, like Yoda vs Sidious isn’t a physical fight at all, it’s a contest of destinies. So few people understand this aspect. That’s why Jedi dress up like monks and the literal Emperor of the galaxy walks around in public in a cowled cultist robe. It’s a visual representation of who they are.

>>95856268
>WHY
I think the point of sith philosophy is for there to be constant struggle - you raise apprentices to test yourself against them, to prevent you from losing power from complacency. If you win, that means that you're worthy, if you lose, that means you were not worthy of your power.

>>95856268
Well-said, anon. I agree. Empire being inefficient is fanfiction as well.

Sith are evil monk.

>>95856490
It's inefficient because the philosophy of the Sith is founded on inefficiency, which is inherited by the governments born from it. The rise of the Empire comes about through the coopting the Republic's efficiency, and the downfall of the Empire comes about when it devotes too much of the resources that it coopted to the maintenance of power through oppression and indoctrination.

>>95856627
:O

One Sith are pure edgekino

anakinbros...

Oy Spetsnaz

>>95857103
certain anakinfags annoy me because the jack off about how powerful he is and that he is the chosen one therefore the best character ever etc not realizing its not that relevant and he got taken out by a jellyfish one time.

>>95855710
Packered mortar gun. Most "artillery" in the setting seems to consist of heavy direct fire energy weapons, with a few light mortars mixed in when someone remembers they exist. I'm not sure they'd actually have much need for traditional indirect fire ground artillery with the huge array of common vtol and hover capable air support options available to basically everyone.

>>95856627
This is the take of YouTube. Are you the most successful Sith Lord in all of history? You’re not? Then stfu. Palpatine isn’t Hitler and the Empire isn’t Nazi Germany. Palpatine did everything through the Force; he didn’t just dream up a wacky inefficient government structure based on vibes and what made him feel good, he did everything because he was meditating on the Dark Side, searching the unseen through time and space, and arranging things to work out in a scale much wider than a mortal’s normal viewpoint. “Inefficient” are you being real? He was setting up DESTINY and it only unraveled because Luke was in a different weight class, that’s LITERALLY all there is to it. The Rebels were HOPELESS outmatched in any real way and even though they could reach a brief peak, without Luke they were destined to be wiped out, period. And the Empire was the opposite of inefficient, it creating an economy of scale so massively efficient that no one could even HOPE to compete with it. Your talking point was given to you by a low-IQ eceleb.

>>95856627
>>95857790
Sith ideology has 0 to do with the Galactic Empire's New Order ideology.

>>95857977
Only as far as you know. I’m not gonna pretend to understand the choices made by an evil wizard who could literally see the future.

>>95857294
a jellyfish?

>>95857294
Blame Gorge saying the Saga is actually about Anakin

>>95857782
reminder that she said grievous has no dick and couldnt satisfy her

>>95853950

The writer of the legacy part 2 comics said that all of the one sith were dead, Nihl and Talon included.

Yeah, it's anticlimatic as fuck, but with the disney buyout they wanted to put a happy ending on the legends timeline and ran out of time to do it.

>>95847434
>>95844330

>>95860710
>source is my ass

>>95860964
Just trust me, babe.

>>95850977
Sex

>>95857790
Nah, not really. They were doing heinous shit on a galactic scale and needed a massive system of oppression and indoctrination to keep people compliant and from interfering with it and all of this redirecting of resources from the economy (coopted from the Republic and not built by the Empire by the way) made peoples lives tangibly worse. In the end, worse standards of living, heinous war crimes on a galactic level and terrible systems of oppression did more to push people into the arms of the Rebellion than simply maintaining the status quo would have done and that's why the Galactic Empire was inefficient, why Palpatine's philosophy was inefficient, because he wanted to control the galaxy through fear and hunger rather than bread and circuses, without realising how and why that would fail. Luke Skywalker, or a Jedi of equivalent strength joining the Rebellion or any rebellious movement was inevitable, thanks to the actions taken by Palpatine and the Galactic Empire, actions taken due to an understanding of power and the Force built on selfishness and greed, an understanding that falls apart when it makes contact with reality, which is why every Sith regime has inevitably crumbled.

>"[thing] wasnt set up previously and therefor its bad!"
>"actually [thing] was described in this sourcebook and this novel, both canon, but I dont blame you for skipping the novel"
>proceeds to double down because he cant admit hes wrong
a quick wookieepedia search would tell him this, hell even a google AI overview could be pretty accurate

I just hate these fans who have only watched whats on screen and act like they know everything about star wars lore, and cant admit when written material proves them wrong

its what, willful ignorance? a book would prove them wrong so they just avoid all the books to they believe themselves to he right

>"[thing] wasnt set up previously and therefor its bad!"
>"actually [thing] was described in this sourcebook and this novel, both canon, but I dont blame you for skipping the novel"
>proceeds to double down because he cant admit hes wrong
a quick wookieepedia search would tell him this, hell even a google AI overview could be pretty accurate

I just hate these fans who have only watched whats on screen and act like they know everything about star wars lore, and cant admit when written material proves them wrong
its what, willful ignorance? a book would prove them wrong so they just avoid all the books so they believe themselves to be right

>>95862266
99% of the books and comics are irrelevant fanfiction, ventressfag. Lemme guess: you lost an argument with someone on xitter over ventress' retarded resurrection, didn't you?

>>95860643
Yeah fuck George with his revisionist bullshit but fuck retarded sloppers even more.

>>95860678
The meatsaber, her only true weakness.

>>95860678
If this Frieza lookin bitch had decent hair she may have been popular

For SWD6, do you prefer 1E, 2E or REUP and why?

>>95863460
What?

>>95863506
The West End Games RPG.

>>95863554
Ah okay.

>>95863554
Oh

>>95863603
>>95863733
Yeah, sorry. Someone I talked to referred to it as SWD6 (Star Wars D6) and I didn't realize that wasn't the usual term.
In any case, which edition do you prefer?

>be me
>read the picrel comic

>The Empire wants to root out the jedi hiding on the planet with long jedi order traditions
>Initial brutal attempt fails
>Instead, Vader and the cute ISB protag figure out a way to win the locals over
>Remove the jedi statues
>Treat the locals well
>Build infrastructural improvements
>Vader lets the defeated jedi escape so the locals see him humiliated
>The locals do not help him, the ISB gal guns him down
>Everything works out well, the planet prospers under the empire

Why didn't they do this more often? I think this comic is quite remarkable because it's one of the *very* few positive depictions the Empire has.

>>95863788
Because, like most tyrannical states in history, treading harder is more cathartic for the people making decisions than other alternatives.

This is worsened by the ever-raging debate about whether more carrot or more stick is effective. If you've ever been in a counterinsurgency thread on /k/, you already know the examples that jump to mind of hearts and minds failing, or state terror succeeding. You probably also already know and are thinking of the counterarguments in all those cases.

>>95863788
>Why didn't they do this more often?
Costs and Tarkin Doctrine. When most officers are trained to think brutal repression and having the biggest guns can solve any situation, it leads to retardation like the Death Star.
>it's one of the *very* few positive depictions the Empire has
In the sense that it's shown to be effective, sure. But the ISB gal does note in the last page that she isn't sure the locals are truly loyal to the Empire or just pretending (not that there is much of a difference at that point).
The ending is also open to interpretation with the kid picking up a piece of the jedi statue being an implied counterargument to the ISB glowie's report that they successfully erased any trace of jedi culture.
It does work well with Motti's "sad devotion to a ancient religion" line. It'd make sense that the Empire would raze all jedi temples, grind all jedi statues to dust and force people to change names if they share it with a jedi, thus erasing all trace of jedi from the galaxy.
And anyone who pretends they ever existed is sent to COMPNOR for reeducation.

>>95863395
>implying she wasnt a popular EU clone wars character

>>95863788
That'd be the smart way to to things, but not the Sith way. And Palpatine was all-in running a new Sith Empire, even if most of the people under him didn't even know what a fuck a Sith was. He set about ruling through fear and encouraging infighting because that's how Sith are supposed to rule it. The fact that every Sith empire before had inevitably collapsed didn't matter to him, as surely it was just because they hadn't been Sithy enough and this time, with him in charge, it would all work out.

>>95863788
Fat glowie tits

>>95864067
I love glownigger girls. I wish to do spooky things with a glownigger girl.

>>95854159
Sing was erased by Ventress

>>95863979
Why is the Death Star a retardation? It only got blown up with the help of the Force.

>>95825876 (OP)
why are there stairs leading down to the engine

>>95864354
Would probably been better to build the equivalent mass in super star destroyers. Not able to literally blow up a planet, but with enough firepower to glass one (and the Eclipse-class had one of the composite superlasers the DS used so it had like 1/7th of the firepower of the DS, able to blast a hole in a planet's crust) and still extremely difficult to destroy by conventional means. A entire fleet of SSDs could also be in multiple places at the same time, to better maintain control of a vast galaxy.

Huh? I thought Durge and his lancer unit destroyed all the SPHA-T? What gives?

>>95839393
In the original lore, the XWing out classed the Tie fighter in every regard. Hyperdrive, better lasers, shields, astromech, life support systems, torpedoes. I think the the lore said the rebels stole the plans for it and started cranking them out, don't know why the empire didn't.

So it's not so much skill so much as XWing mogged the TIE.

>>95864354
This, Death Star was a perfect symbol of Imperial authority
>>95864398
They already had the largest fleet in galactic history and it was deterring the rebel activity

>>95864507
>wasn't deterring rebel activity

>>95864503
It didn't really fit the Empire's naval doctrine. They focused primarily on capital ships, with TIEs being used as cheap close-range interceptors to provide fighter-cover for the ISDs. Since ISDs were supposed to do the heavy lifting, wasting money on better fighters wouldn't have been seen as necessary.
The Rebellion meanwhile had a shortage of capital ships and needed to rely on hit and fade attacks, so they mostly used fighters that had hyperdrives that let them operate without a dedicated carrier, and hade enough firepower to threaten larger targets without being supported by capital ships.
After Yavin the Empire did realize the benefit of having their own long-range fighters to make hunting for Rebels easier, as that we they wouldn't have to send an entire ISD after every possible location of a Rebel base and would be better able to match the Rebel fighters even when not outnumbering them, but the TIE Defender, which was supposed to be their "X-Wing equivalent" never got produced in large enough numbers before the emperor died at Endor and the Empire fractured.

>>95864354
Took decades to build, was operational for like week before it was blown up by random farm boy during his first time flying starfighter. It also made way more people join rebelion.
There are better ways
It was retarded idea based on retarded doctrine. Using fear to rule doesn't mean people fear you, but fear whoever you marked as enemy of the state and will tollerate your bullshit in name of fighting said enemies of the state. you don't need death star to kill the planet, you can use SSD with super laser, some kind of planet cracker bomb, virus or even old fashion glassing planet with fleet of ISD, Death Star was massive "yes we are bad guys, fear us and do what we want or else..." then week later it blow up showing that Empire is both evil and incompetent.

>>95864503
Watching ANH and better lasers and shields on X-wing don't account for much, it still get oneshooted by TIE fighters, and it was very much 1:1 kill ratio.

>>95864580
Where does this "The Empire would have done better if they invested in better fighters" stuff even come from? In the movies the rebels don't ever fight the empire in a full on battle until they have big capital ships of their own

>>95864667
i think its something from rebels where thrawn is like "im so smart and tarkin is stupid they should invest in the tie defender instead of the death star"

>>95864667
>>95864679
The idea has been around for far longer. At least having squadrons of hyperspace-capable fighters would have let them root out Rebel bases more efficiently, since they could be in more places at once than an ISD, and and ISD is already overkill against the typical small Rebel cell.

>>95864593
No, a “random farm boy” did not destroy it, that was done by the universe’s Chosen One super Force god of ultimate destiny. Luke is as far away from a nobody as you can possibly be. Luke is OVERWHELMINGLY strong in the Force, he was the big comeback superstar being banked up by the Light Side. Luke was Sidious’ one and only oversight, probably because just as he clouded the vision of the Jedi during the Clone Wars, his vision was clouded by Luke, but he didn’t realize it because that’s the nature of the Dark Side. If you take Luke out of it the Rebels are obliterated and forced back to guerrilla tactics, but now with a Death Star everyone is too terrified to have anything to do with the Rebels so they are utterly fucked long-term. Even without the Death Star the Rebels could not fight the Empire directly and got smashed at almost every turn when there was a direct battle. Think of it like the North Vietnamese vs the US. Every single time the North tried a conventional attack (ie, the Tet Offensive) the US side-sidedly smashed them, it wasn’t even a contest, closer to a one-sided slaughter. So they relied more and more on the Vietcong, but the VC had no actual ability to harm the US’s occupation, just inflict costs which were ultimately not significant and could not dislodge the South government. Unlike in the US Congress, it is assumed the Imperial government will not be taken over by an anti-war movement. So what is the Rebel’s fate? Being destroyed, period. Without Luke there is NO path to victory or even surviving at a meaningful level, period. At YET all I have shoved in my face are these low-IQ regurgitated opinions that the Empire was le stupid because youtubers like projecting their left-wing real world viewpoint onto fiction.

>>95864695
You need infantry to root out bases buddy, and to do that you need to transport them. ISDs are planetary invasion devices

>>95864734
The lose condition for the empire was more and more planets supporting the rebels, the senators were all out of touch stooges, by imperial design. The death star was meant to dissuade any planetary rebellion, but its destruction bolstered rebel sentiment even more

Luke was a super hero, but the rebellion was still full of people making great pace. Hell Luke, Vader and Sidious's scenes in 6 have little point to them since the death star was going to be blown up anyway due to the rebellion winning the battle on the ground

>>95863788
Actually, how often did Vader get involved in the ISB? I can see him being sent over to provide the occasional muscle to push a major project over the top — but, generally speaking, there’s not many things the ISB can’t do in pursuit of its mission so maybe Vader isn’t needed?

just me or does raxus look a bit....art deco with the architecture?
>mfw we will never see the raxus gala on screen

>>95864840
When there are Jedi or something the Emperor is personally interested in

>>95864615
Indeed. By god, the eu can be wrong and retarded.

>>95864667
Edward Richthofen?

>>95864398
>with enough firepower to glass one
At least by old EU reasoning, the Death Star was probably needed to present an adequate threat to worlds with planetary shields. Normal fleets could blockade planets, but bringing down the shield through protracted bombardment or starving the planet out (which might not even be realistic if they aren't trade-dependent) would tie up too many ships for far too long. The Empire's big fear was probably that a bunch of the core worlds would eventually start refusing to cooperate and lock out the Imperial military all at once. The Death Star makes sense as a counter to that. I'm not sure if planetary shields exist in the Disney universe, so maybe it's still dumb there.

Why does this retarded shit exist

>>95865228
They exist in the movies, the shield on Hoth prevents them from just bombing it, so they must exist.

>>95865229
Could be worse, I mean the underbiite class exists.

>>95865229
The design itself is just a rehash, nothing out of the ordinary. It's viewed negatively because it's associated with the cancerous sequel trilogy.
If it was connected with movies that were at least prequel quality, then it wouldn't be so bad.

>>95865229
Because big space triangle cool.

>>95831657
I strongly disagree, since he has been hinted to have a pretty significant bent of apathy toward his home planet of Naboo. As far as centered power goes, that precisely the reason: power in general is centered in and radiating from the core. After the collapse of the CIS and various supporting orgs especially.
>>95831685
Palps seems like he’d be less “racist” than the galactic average. Mainly, you could say, he had moved past it, and because he would discriminate extremely harshly and with exacting prejudice against literally everyone and everything based on his sith ideology. In the republic that translated to most likely an extreme affability, and in the empire probably something publicly leaning somewhere between “imperial high culture uber alles” to “space man’s burden”, while in private and personal relations being various degrees of more mask off Sith Lord. With humans being pretty concisely the dominant species in the galaxy, withholding hutt shenanigans, it’s the best place to start from for that reason alone, even if it isn’t the most exact match for whatever palps had in mind, it was obviously good enough for government work.
You can imagine any particular sith code that may lend itself to an idea of imperial high culture, which very well may have just been palps repurposing the latter for the former. Like the Romans, he could look for parallels in culture, “romanize” it, then enforce it upon the captured populous (this is canon for those maned naga aliens at least). Anything not congruent being violently removed instead.

>>95864840
Inquisitors and isb probably got into all kinds of siding matches based on clearance. When working together it was probably always related to force sensitive. I don’t remember how secretive the inquisitors were, so there were probably misconceptions and funny ideas floating around where inquisitorial happenings where blamed on ISB glowniggery

>>95834834
Not even close to true. Parody even. Jeet tier understanding of said concepts and history. It’s all ravenous grasping and misgivings, taking advantage of prols and others of similar bents. Literally admits to it.
Unrelated but cult of space reason erupting and self terminating on a CIS planet post clone war but before imperial takeover world would be funny. Could be ghor coded.

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>>95868489
>>95868489
>>95868489

>>95862266
Star Wars is first and foremost a movie series, there's no escaping that. If it were based on a book series like GoT or something that would be another thing.