>the evil demon who exists only for evil is nice and accommodating enough to add wheelchair ramps

>>95841817 (OP)
How else is he going to get his roombas to clean the dungeon floors, OP?

Oh boy here we go again

>>95841817 (OP)

What if said evil demon sends cripples to fight the heroes

That thumbnail is over four years old. Dont you have any new ragebait?

>>95841817 (OP)
This is also why centaurs are terrible to deal with as a DM.

>>95841817 (OP)
The dumbest thing is that they don't need to, because the chair, as written, can levitate over stairs.

>>95841817 (OP)
Operating an equal opportunity rape dungeon to maximize evil output is nothing new. Like, yeah dude, I want crippled orphans able to get their shit pushed in by my army of angry underlings. Do you know what that does to the families? We're putting in little people sized stairs in Q3 so midgets can get it too. You don't even have to R&D a cure for cerebral palsy or some shit to bait them in anymore, they just want to be validated and seen, it's the cheapest pandering can possibly get and they love it. Everyone wins.

Are there dungeons worth entering that accomodate support golems?

Anon, its for his own accessibility, you insensitive prick.

>>95841817 (OP)
>>the evil demon
But what if it's the lair of some mad genius, or some cultists, ir some wizard?
All of them could have shit bodies and appreciate being able to get around their own homes.
Or it could be for their followers/allies.

>pCHOOOOOOOO,

>>95841817 (OP)
>How to tell everyone you've never used a wheelbarrow
You know things besides wheelchairs can go up and down ramps, right? Or did you forget that manual labor exists?

>>95842910
I absolutely hate how much D&D is turning into that god forsaken comic

>>95842869
That's a chamber pot. The "wheel" is the lid.

>>95841866
Never 4get

>>95841855
0/10. Mechas are ableist and do not represent marginalized differently-abled persons well enough. Do better.

>>95841894
Then what's the point of representing a disability if the setting removes any and all inconveniences said disability causes?

>>95843142
Highlighting the contrast between pilot's skill behind the controls and how miserable they are as a person accentuates the theme.
Latest Armored Core handled it quite gracefully never showing protagonist in flesh leading to theories it's a literal cripple.
Or more blunt example - 40k Dreadnaught pilots and (some of) Principes.

>>95843278
This may surprise you, but that exact point comes up in every combat wheelchair thread: The combat wheelchair not only completely negates any possible inconvenience that being paraplegic might cause, but is actually such an insanely overpowered boon that turns being crippled into a super power.

>>95841894
A magical transport that is immune to damage and can pass through any obstruction? Wow, quite a powerful magical item then. What great quest do they have to perform to recieve such a powerful object? It's a one off artifact used only by the greatest of mages, right?

>>95843910
By the suggested rules, a level 1, fresh character can just get one for free as part of their origin. However, the upgrades that make it even more powerful and more indestructible, do have associated gold costs.

>>95841817 (OP)
A character might be an evil mass murdering villain, but no character would EVER be a bigot!

>>95841817 (OP)
>Hey guys, remember that forced bait from 3 years ago?
>Here is another attempt!

It's OK when Pratchett does it.

>>95843913
What are the level 2 stats?

>>95841846
*roll

>>95845514
Completely different and in the same kino vein as the Scotsman in Samurai Jack.

>>95841855
this is sick, who drew it? can't find it with reverse image search

>>95841817 (OP)
>Makes you dependent on itself
>Not even regeneration, raise dead, polymorph or wild shape will free you from it
>The world warps around your presense to accomodate you, so you do not question your need for it
The evil demon parasite IS the wheelchair.

>>95841817 (OP)
he opted for the wheelchair instead of the palanquin/litter with two-eight muscular slaves as porters. Options include air conditioning (slave with a fan), mosquito-net, or a more complete rain-resistant enclosure with blinds (requires at least two strong slaves or at least four because of the increased weight).
Never gonna make it. Now bring me some chilled grapes and diluted wine while we travel to the dungeon.

>>95843625
Except you can be perfectly healthy AND ride around on your own Go-Kripple. It being so optimal to use, eventually the entire setting's inhabitants will all have their own set of wheels.

And that will likely do more to put a bug up the bunghole of the crip-player than any ostracizing, because they love to be victims but HATE to be unable to stand out.

>>95841866
>>95841846
>>95845187
>Samefag melty
Reminder that Daggerheart, a new and high profile game, has combat wheelchairs that are more effective then modern tanks.

>>95841817 (OP)
Anon, do you know how difficult it is to get construction material in and out the stairs?
Of course they installed a lift, gentle slopes and stuff.

It's not like seasoned adventurers are going to be stopped by a fucking stair, that's what the trap and spells are for.

>>95841817 (OP)
Let me be straightforward and direct with what this.

Unless the wheelchair ramps are only meant to “look” accommodating and actually have a far more sinister true purpose. Then you really, and I mean REALLY don’t understand what a demon is and their nature.

What if you just ask a wizard to fix your disability?

>>95847404
What if it's to help with the giant boulder trap?

>>95847443
Come on anon, the entire point is to virtue signal, no one actually gives a fuck about healing magic being commonplace.

>>95847190
>Except (thing that was literally just explained to him)
The more you talk the more uninvolved people will support the things you hate.

>>95847478
Christ, I forgot how much WoW pushed fantasy pop slop more then what D&D ever will.

>>95847360
The best traps are in room and corridors that look perfectly safe.

>>95843019
>>How to tell everyone you've never used a wheelbarrow
Or, you know, a livestock loading chute...

>>95847404
>Unless the wheelchair ramps are only meant to “look” accommodating and actually have a far more sinister true purpose.
This Anon gets it!

>>95847478
>>95847443
>What if you just ask a wizard to fix your disability?
Silly anon, the "disability" is a curse that have eluded even the best wizard known in legend.
If magic could solve everything there would be nothing to fight over.

>>95847655
You can probably solo and kill a wizard with your combat wheelchair.

>>95847443
Wizards don't get healing magic

>>95847511
WoW is dictated by it now. R*leplayers are the ones in charge now, so eventually all the unfiltered Mary Sue shit will be canon.

>>95847443
The disability is in your soul. You will die and go to the afterlife and still be crippled. That's why you're still crippled when you shapeshift. You cannot escape the Chair. This is inclusive.

>>95847756
They do in 5e which is almost certainly what anyone unironically including a combat wheelchair is playing.

>>95847511
How could you forget? Wow has done more damage to the genre than basically everything else combined.

>>95843278
this may surprise you, but disabled people also like to have power fantasies where they get to do cool stuff as characters that represent them in some way

>>95847443
same reasons real-life disabled people can't just ask a doctor to fix their disability with spinal surgery and be done with it; not enough money, that service isn't available in their area, they have some kind of complication that prevents that

this entire talking point falls apart when you actually think about it for longer than a minute. get actual reasons to hate the wheelchairs or get over it

>>95848419
The only disabled person I have talked about this with fantasizes about not being confined to the chair.

>>95848487
Again, the logistics of your combat wheelchair is able to cover the costs of getting healed, if not then to go on a couple of adventures to be able to pay it off safely just because of how OP said wheelchair is.

>>95848564
congrats to them for getting elected the representative of all disabled people everywhere, it's real nice that they can still find time to slum it with you

>>95848568
citation needed

>>95848579
nice strawman, champ.

>>95848609
Imagine outing yourself as a nogames faggot this badly.

>>95848579
I tend to believe the people actually affected by things over people like you who are just virtue signaling.
My wheelchair friend finds "disability culture" to be grossly defeatist. Turning your problems into your identity just means you've given up on beating them.

>>95848419
The ones I've talked to admit they would view themselves as able-bodied if they had a power fantasy, and generally view stuff like the fantasy wheelchair to be rather condescending. Not cause they hate the intention, since it's better than being forgotten about entirely, but it's still a reminder of what they can't do irl, and plenty of power fantasies can simply having the freedom to do shit that is normally denied to you. But that's just hearsay, and I think a far more prevailing opinion that the community seems to share isn't "this shouldn't exist" and more "If you're going to be inclusive, make it look cool and empowering instead of just slapping special rules onto a device that to a number of people stands as a reminder of what separates them from other people"

>>95848644
right, people who already agreed with you are the only ones actually affected by disability, while disabled people who disagree with your one token buddy are only "virtue signaling" and are wrong for wanting to see themselves in the games they play. that must be so convenient for you, not having to consider that other people may actually believe things and have valid preferences for their hobbies

>the big bad evil guy assembles an army to take over the known world
>all of his soldiers are equipped with combat wheelchairs

>>95848620
citation not provided, claim dismissed, I win

I wonder when this lefty is going to call in his janny buddy to nuke the thread now that he lost the argument.

>>95848487
>get actual reasons to hate the wheelchairs or get over it
Can we hate the wheelchair because it's a form of locomotion that requires a lot of modern developed pathway infrastructure and we have FUCKING MAGIC to do shit like Golem Legs?

>>95848681
Have you asked any wheelchair bound people about it? Because I have, and he doesn't like it. Are you representing the actual beliefs of relevant people, or just want to feel good defending what you think they should feel about it? Do you think they need you to defend their honor? Are you their savior in your own mind?

>>95848698
>my totally real disabled friend (they live in Canada you don't know them) disagrees with you so I win

>>95848694
I mean, from a certain point of view doing that would basically get you the D&D version of Dementus's gang of bikers from Mad Max, only they're crippled.

>>95848704
cracker you asked one person, that's not even the plural of anecdote and it certainly isn't data. my starting assumption was that disabled people also like to see themselves in their pretend tabletop games somehow (because they're people and people like to do that), and that still hasn't been refuted in any meaningful sense

>>95848707
>>95848736
They can't see themselves in a person with legs because... they aren't people? Or because the disability runs as deep as their imagination?
The whole "your soul is crippled" thing was a joke based on the wheelchair following wildshaped druids, but you actually believe it? That's a fucking brutal level of ableism.

>>95848780
>people like to self-insert into their dnd characters in some way, and the same is true for disabled people
>so you think that a disabled person can never ever play an abled character and relate to that character?
most intellectually honest combat wheelchair hater

And where are the Reduplicating Pantograph!?!

>>95848736
>>95848801
>my assumption is more valid than the actual opinion of a crippled person
Is this even a savior complex at this point? I don't know how to explain to you that "your disability runs so deep that you cannot escape it even in your fantasies and if you disagree then you aren't real" is a bad take. Wheelchair bound people are still people. They are not abnormal freaks from a different class of being.

>>95848837
you're committed to deliberately misunderstanding my take, but in case anyone else feels like being in actual good faith about this, here's my actual take that has always been my take:
>disabled people want to play disabled characters in tabletop sometimes, and that's fine

>>95848837
oh, and
>this one disabled person has this one opinion so that means that's the only valid and authoritative opinion on the subject, because all disabled people think the exact same
>I'm the one who's trying to argue that disabled people are people and you're the one who thinks they're abnormal freaks, btw

>>95848736
>cracker
Bro you're probably the whitest person in this thread

>>95848883
The opinion of a disabled person >>>>>>>your opinion when it comes to this topic, and the fact that you immediately jumped to calling it invalid really speaks to your true motives.

>>95848672
now this is a better post, though

>>95841817 (OP)
This is a fuckup on the designer's part.

A combat wheel chair CAN make sense, it's just gonna look closer to a mech/transformer/flying car, and needs some obvious source of vertical propulsion or transition from "daily use" to "combat mode".

>>95848892
>this one disabled person's opinion is not the only opinion that can be taken seriously on this issue, because disabled people aren't a monolith
>n-no! but I played the "I have an X friend" trap card! WHY AREN'T YOU AUTOMATICALLY AGREEING WITH ME

>>95848918
Chair with spider legs or wearable golem were some ideas that have been thrown around. The main problem is still that they make them high powered magic items that are either literally free or cost so little as to not matter after the very first adventure. It's very pandering.

>>95848925
Sorry bro, your opinion is worthless and your aggressive savior complex is pretty gross. Be a better person.

>>95848940
>cost so little as to not matter after the very first adventure
What's wrong with that?

>>95848736
NTA but that doesn't sound like the win you seem to think it is. A sample size of one is still infinitely more data collected than zero samples and a "starting assumption".

>>95848899
If I'm allowed to spread further hearsay, most alternative ideas I hear seem to lean more towards some kind of fantasy version of Professor X's tech chair from the '90s cartoon. Something that bypassed the whole issue of needing ramps by just letting them fly around at will under their own power. I've seen other suggestions like epic mounts, steampunk inspired ridable golems or robotic spider-leg contraptions, but it usually comes down to something that lets them travel the world without needing the special considerations a wheelchair sometimes brings to the table.

>>95848948
Game balance. The first thing a lot of people say when they see these things is "why isn't everyone using one?" because they're powerful and cheap and have zero downsides (usually not even using an attunement slot). And that question is still open, why shouldn't the entire party get wheelchairs when they're that powerful and cheap?
It's also seen as condescending by some. You wanted to be able to do stuff on your own, here's a thing that overcomes all of your issues and we're literally giving it away. You don't even have to go looking for it, it's free at chargen just for you, you special boy you.

>>95848973
I mean levitation is a pretty basic spell, and a board permanently enchanted to float even an inch off the ground would be a stupid useful invention.

>>95848487
>get actual reasons to hate the wheelchairs or get over it

In game:
>entire cities would have to be (re)built with wheelchair accessibility in mind, or the player might be unable to enter certain buildings
>large, unwieldy, difficult or impossible to move around on bad terrain, small spaces, ledges/cliffs, etc
>player either need to be hauling an entire new chair worth of parts to be able to repair it in case it breaks
>or they need to stop everything and be taken back to the nearest settlement that's hopefully built to code
>there needs to be an explanation why their legs can't be fixed or replaced with prosthetics by magic/science/whatever
>basically a nuisance for everyone involved

Out of game:
>everything above gets handwaved entirely by any system that has rules for them
>automatically makes the player better, stronger, faster, etc, than everyone else in the group in every way
>can't explain why everyone in the world isn't using one
>you will probably get kicked out of your group if you try to argue any of these points

>be crippled
>be blind, deaf and mute
>be a minority
>be a woman
>etc
At this point if you take enough disadvantages you must cause a universal stack overflow right?

>>95848958
it takes less than 30 seconds of googling to find dozens upon dozens of diverse opinions on the subject from disabled people, even including the dreaded and horrifying spectre of liking the combat wheelchair. my starting assumption of "maybe disabled people are people and like to do things people like to do, like self-insert when playing dnd" didn't need the data, but is nonetheless bolstered by it. in conclusion, tell your dad to bring the lube tonight

https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/n3a188/a_disabled_person_on_why_they_dont_like_the/
https://diaryofadisabledperson.blog/2022/03/06/wheelchairs-dragons/
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2020/08/dd-dungeons-disabilities-the-community-responds-to-the-combat-wheelchair.html
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-some-disabled-people-upset-with-the-makers-of-D-D-for-not-including-disabilities-in-the-game-I-play-these-games-to-escape-my-disability-not-re-live-it-My-disease-and-disability-arent-who-I-am

>>95849008
>"why isn't everyone using one?"
Indeed!
Of course, maybe you don't make it a stupid powerful hover tank, maybe it's just an inherent magitek that functions as an all terrain wheel board; Sure the abled bodied could use it like a Skateboard, but you're going to have to be a pretty sick dude to pull off skateboarding through a Dungeon whether you have working legs or not!

>>95849022
Precisely. Even then, you've got plenty of options like magic carpets, magic brooms, saddles that keep you from falling off your horse, wings, etc. About the only thing that a combat wheelchair is useful for is being an option for a level 1 character, and even then it seems more economical and team-based to just have their team help carry their disabled companion over hilly terrain until they find a workaround.

>>95849077
I mean I go for the more awesome option, Hoverboard Para-skaters styling on Dungeons.

>>95849095
Amen to that

>>95849067
The rules they give it tend to make it much more powerful than just being a traversal tool. Often it is far superior to walking due to immunity to many floor based traps.
Which also brings up another problem, the way it's implemented tends to completely negate the disability in the first place. It floats up stairs, rises up to reach stuff that would be out of reach to a sitting person, shrinks and reshapes itself to fit through tight spaces, can't be lost, dismounted, destroyed, etc.
Some people like having meaningful downsides when they make a character with flaws or injuries or whatever. If you make a character with one arm, you probably want that to matter. Immediately giving them a better-than-organic robot arm that has zero cost would run counter to that.

>>95848419
Having a fully functioning, healthy body is a power fantasy for people confined to wheelchairs. They don't want the chair to be cooler. They want to be able to walk, you unbelievable demonic subhuman faggot.

>>95841817 (OP)
>magical industry exists that can produce nearly indestructible chairs that can fly if needed, and plentifully and cheaply enough that level 1 characters can easily afford one
>no one makes castles out of this wood
>no one makes armor out of this wood
>no one uses this flight enchantment for anything but wheelchairs
>the DM pretends the mere existence of this technology wouldn't completely upend everything about his world

>>95849102
I was just thinking about a paraplegic love interest for the Hoverboard Isakai that develops her own boarding style that takes advantage of her greater upper body strength to duel wield shields skating around the battlefield, and then I looked at that comic...
...And realized her baseboard should ALSO be a shield, and her shields enchanted so there outer surface also hovers!
Cannon ball run motherfuckers!

>>95849129
>Some people like having meaningful downsides when they make a character with flaws or injuries or whatever.
Well I can see that people who can't walk wouldn't want that to be a "flaw" per se, but yeah it's too much overcompensation to give them a fucking Mark I Travel Machine.

>>95849221
If someone made a fantasy story where hoverboarding was a recognized movement style, and they had shit like that where people were already working their personal styles based on their body types/disabilities, I'd be on that instantly

>>95841817 (OP)
I love how combat wheelchairs buckbroke /tg/

>>95849403
Well the reason I'd go with the Isakai angle is that these "Levitation Sleds" are considered a mundane and unremarkable thing in their world, just another type of wagon or cart, and then our protagonist sees this is all "Wait, you have fucking HOVERBOARDS?!"

>>95843434

>>95841817 (OP)

>>95841841
That's what jellies are for

>>95850382
I always thought it was funny that was the excuse TSR came up with for the existence of gelatinous cubes.

>>95848487
What makes the chair stupid isn't that cripples exist in a fantasy setting, it's that it might as well not exist for the players. The player wants to be in a wheel chair, but wants no draw backs for it. They likely want bonuses. Like being blind; so they can "justify" blind sight, and bonuses to smell and hearing. But no draw backs.

>>95843434

>>95843625
I've had much more intereasting scenarios come up without these crutches. We've had one armed fighters, cyborgs, crippled mages carried in palanquin and many other things. If the issues are real as disability it will come up and an organic solution is always preferable to corporate drivel.

>>95847496
The posts weren't making the same points (wheelchairs make being crippled an advantage vs. normals can still ride the wheelchairs with no downside), but sure sorry for tweaking your extra chromosomes there Crippy.

>>95851125
Characters getting crippled should be part of the normal adventuring lifestyle. The fact that even something like losing a finger or getting an eye poked out is fucking unthinkable to the average D&D player is kinda fucked up. And it's fucking boring that there's no magical prosthetic eyes or fucked up rituals to graft monster limbs to replace one that got chomped off. There should also be long-term consequences for severely fucking up, even if it's just owing a stingy asshole who can do high level healing magic a ton of gold, so now you've got to go on even more dangerous adventures to try and pay back the guy who uncrippled your character.

>>95843434
>guro artist

>>95843044
>the evil demon who exists only for evil is an lbj-tier prick who insists on inspecting the denizens of his dungeons while audibly shitting and pissing into his mobile throne

>>95841817 (OP)
the giant slugs and worms have to get in and out of the dungeon somehow

>>95850937
What system is this for

>>95841817 (OP)

Thing is. I have no problem with this in Shadowrun, or some dumb grim-dark fantasy setting, or hell, maybe even LotR.
But not D&D.

The problem with a Wheelchair in D&D is that GOD IS REAL AND HE'S PAYING OUT in that setting.

Like, curing paralyzed legs is a fucking level 3 cleric spell. No questions asked. That is straight up something any adventurer has pathetically easy access to. Same with blindness. You should never meet a blind peasant unless they straight up don't have a village cleric, and it's SUCH a good moneyspinner for every church in the setting that I can't believe that one village would be allowed to fall through the cracks like that unless they were some kind of militant athetist isolationist group.

Even if you lost the legs outright, a ring of regen can fix that in a day FFS.
The only thorny issue would be if you were born with a congential defect in your legs, in that case it's gods plan and you should just suck it up.... or find a Genie and a Wish spell. In older editions Miracle might also do it.

The really fucking annoying thing about that specific example is it shows just how fucking little the writer actually plays D&D. Because she (and it will be a she) literally just created a Tensors Flying Disc with a seat on it and then gave it a price 1000% times cheaper.

TLDR: Hovering Combat Wheelchairs always existed in D&D, they were just too expensive for starting adventurers to use.

>>95841817 (OP)
Stand up, boy.

I have a friend who's blind, and he basically never plays blind characters and for him daredevil types where the blindness is basically just a piece of dressing is a pet peeve. I think these can be interesting if there are limitations. Fear and Hunger 2 is a game but it had a playable character in a wheelchair and by making her unable to do all the same things as other characters it was actually more interesting
The fact losing limbs is a gameplay mechanic and she can ignore the loss of her legs is also part of it

>>95854686
Nechronica probably

>>95843913
Haha, no. 1st level characters should be limited to shit like this, to give them something to build up to They can have the magical flying chair once they become mighty mages or succeed in a great quest, otherwise, EVERYONE would have one and there would be no horses.

>>95845514
Pratchett was doing a humerous parody of fantasy tropes, you dense bastard.

>>95848719
Why do you have to be crippled to use them? Most people can sit on one quite easily. If they are in your world, everyone with above 5 Int would use one, cripples and abled alike.

>>95855059
Presumably the expense, though I guess the Dark Lord's unlimited budget would cover that

>>95854992
>>95854943
>TLDR: Hovering Combat Wheelchairs always existed in D&D, they were just too expensive for starting adventurers to use.
the point's been repeatedly in every one of these threads, but that's really just what it comes down to. If a player really wants a wheelchair, fuck I guess they can have one. We can even say that they've used the thing so much that they can move at normal speed for their race if they're really going to be a bitch about taking a permanent speed penalty.

However, they are not getting an indestructible, overpowered magic item for free because they decided to play a crippled character, which isn't even something the official rules of any edition support, in the first place.

>>95855383
>e can even say that they've used the thing so much that they can move at normal speed for their race if they're really going to be a bitch about taking a permanent speed penalty.
Wheelchairs usually move faster in straight lines than walking does, the real answer to a wheelchair in such circumstances is to give them some benefits while also having the obvious problems of less maneuverability and a difficulty for vertical movement. It shouldn't be an upgrade or even a sidegrade but shouldn't also just be a debuff in literally every way

okay but if the super evil demonic undead lich overlord of doom and despair is also disabled and needs a wheelchair? ever thought that maybe, just maybe, the dungeon is wheelchair accessible because it's where a wheelchair bound individual resides?

>>95855482
But if he's a lich, why doesn't he just regrow his spine and/or legs then? How bad is he at being a lich to forget how to do that?

>>95841817 (OP)
Hello dear cripple vicim, to make sure you are constantly reminded of being a nowalk cripple we added your cripple crutch to the game. Now you can be crippled in real life AND in the game. Isn't that awesome?

>>95847284
>forced bait that has nothing to do with D&D continues to be associated with D&D
>hey, look at this non-game that isn't D&D so I can continue pushing the forced bait!
>>95854943
This post is why this bait is shit. This anon doesn't even know that this entire thing was some homebrew made by an actual crippled kid in a wheelchair, and WotC just shouted the kid out.
Now other games are taking it seriously specifically because people like OP have artificially inflated the idea.
It's a perfect example of a successful MILHOUSE meme.

>>95855595
The inflation also came from the side of the creator, journalists and social justice warrior types, who saw the derision slung at the idea and tried to shout down the internet with the rhetoric that such a homebrew MUST be mandatory for any DM running a game with a disabled person or it'd be "ableist" and morally evil, and that shit's polluted discussion of the topic ever since.

>>95841817 (OP)
The demon can troll and transform the ramp into stairs as they're rolling? Or they just don't care if their soul chow can walk?

>>95855752
Yes and?

It's a make believe game where people pretend to be Level 47 anti-paladin were-tarrasques with swords made out of spheres of annihilation. If somebody in a wheelchair wants a combat wheelchair that's better than having legs at 1st level, I'll agree its stupid but it's not my game and I don't have to care what somebody else does at their table. "But the books-"

If you need a book to tell you what you can and can't do, what you can and can't reject at your table, just go play an MMORPG. You're not cut out for this.

>>95841817 (OP)
I just got recommended this video.

>>95855413
>It shouldn't be an upgrade or even a sidegrade but shouldn't also just be a debuff in literally every way
Agreed on all points. It's like wanting to play a game on hard mode, but insisting that hard mode is too unfair, so they should get to enable some cheats that give them infinite lives.

>>95856053
I just got chewed out by some buddies on Discord for wanting to run a Warhammer Fantasy 4e campaign a little more loosey-goosey than the grim and perilous adventure they thought it was meant to be.

And I’m like dude, you know I know the lore better than you. I’m not doing this out of ignorance, I’m doing it because it’s a tone I want.

>>95856053
>Yes and?
And it's good to be aware that there are people like that which exist which will try to morally shame you into accepting their dumb homebrew. That's just the long and short of it

Whole thing reminds me of that joke about Doctor Who
>I have a magical box that can go ANYWHERE in time OR space!
>Let's go to present day London!

The wheelchair could be anything. The mechanics could be useful and interesting to all kinds of players with optional rules for severe, crippling injuries. There could be adjusted and expanded healing rules to determine what spells can actually heal what kinds of disabilities, as well as rules for what kinds of injuries should lead to lasting disability. There could be all kinds of magic items that could be useful even if you don't use them as wheelchairs. A mentally-controlled cart that can carry several hundred pounds of stuff for you has immense uses in dungeoneering, even if it can't go up and down stairs... but if it can, that's fucking huge!

Instead it's a magical, unbreakable, retardedly out of place model wheelchair with fantasy bits stapled on.

>>95851781
Blame 3e turning Swords of Slashing and the like from limb removal and other permanent injuries into effect that expand critical threat range. In 2e and earlier limb and eye loss was a serious enough that Vecna's hand and eye were tempting for everyone to use if you didn't have access to the Regeneration spell.

>>95856225
You don't need to; this is mindlessly attempting to gatekeep because you do not like a detail from someone else's game.

>>95855595
>This anon doesn't even know that this entire thing was some homebrew made by an actual crippled kid in a wheelchair, and WotC just shouted the kid out.

Not a kid, an older lady who developed a condition late in life that means that using a wheelchair is less painful than walking.

HASHUT!
VORGUND!
ZHAR-HAGGRUND!

>>95857919
I'm gatekeeping nothing, bro, I just think it's a particularly uncreative homebrew in light of all the other possibilities for transportation that could be made in a fantasy game. You're the one getting butthurt about it on a mongolian basketweaving forum.

>>95849044
Yes that's how it works, add "be ugly" and you become a goddess.

>>95854943
Not OP but it seems you guys are just triggered by it using D&D rules that normally make handicap impossible and flying hard.
The real topic is simply to find a balance as >>95855383 say
>However, they are not getting an indestructible, overpowered magic item for free

The whole thing has been blown out of proportion, as that other anon said >>95855595, with trolls pretending to be SJW on a crusade because they know it's an easy bait.

>>95849044
>if you take enough disadvantages you must cause a universal stack overflow right?
if Stephen Hawking didn't break the universe, nobody else will

>>95863953
He's effectively a GURPS character who used all those Disads to get higher mental capabilities.

>>95847404
>as you slide up the stairs you suddenly gain an atraction to children.

>>95856264
Stop spouting common sense in this place.
This thread solely exists to pretend there's a conspiracy to force every game & adventuring party to have a mandatory disabled person for virtue signaling.

>>95864229
I'm just here to dig for alternatives to using a combat wheelchair for my future campaigns. Though in a way, this just reminds me of that attempt by Sunrise to americanize Gundam via turning the mobile suits into robiticized kids, and they turned the black kid in the flying wheelchair into the Guntank of all choices.

>>95845514
Yes, because Pratchett is mocking it.

>>95856225
Have you ever met one in person? Or is this a digital boogeyman you've built up in your head?

I've never once met a person who cares about combat wheelchairs in the slightest or has ever used them in their games.

Saying you should be aware that they exist is like saying we need to be aware that paranoid schizophrenics who believe the earth is flat and the sky is a dome exist. I've never met one, and they have no influence over my life, and they're only worth thinking about because trying to understand the bizarre justifications they invent can be funny.

>>95864372
Once.

>>95848579
>congrats to them for getting elected the representative of all disabled people everywhere
How many disabled people have you discussed this with? How many do you think define themselves by being disabled AND are self-insert faggot?

>>95854943
>Even if you lost the legs outright, a ring of regen can fix that in a day FFS.
Magic item rental. There's a business model for retired adventurers.

>>95850423
He technically created the idea of the roomba.

Mod thread.

>>95843434
banana tiddy

>>95848918
Or just wear an exo skeleton/power armor

Why don't you just ask the party healer to fix your disability?

>>95865304
Because then I can't virtue signal.

Behold!

>>95864229
>Stop spouting common sense in this place.
Nicest thing I've seen posted on /tg/ in years.

>>95841817 (OP)
If your DM didn't purposefully try to fuck over wheelchair players when that stuff came out you simply have a bad DM.

>>95843037
How long until we get magic cocaine that forces the DM to rush the plot along?

>>95845187
Forced? Bait?

>>95848419
Ok then why not something like this

what does the retarded cripple do in antimagic field? Is that just banned now for not being inclusive?

>>95843434
>not pregnant

>>95868456
she get roughed up so frequently she wouldn't carry to term anyway

>>95848419
Are you suggesting that physically disabled people have no personality or traits that they can represent in a roleplaying game besides their disability? You are unironically bigoted and dehumanize less fortunate people, reducing them down to exactly one trait so you can use them as political currency. You're a fucking piece of shit and I hope bad things happen to you.

>>95841817 (OP)
How can his grampa visit him?

>>95845514
Because he did it out of parody and for coolness sake. Others do it because they think it is expected or gives you diversity points.
And there is a fine line between OC and Do ut Steels when the maker has that condition.

>>95845514
This is like saying Rey Palpatine is excusable just because Lone Star from Spaceballs also didn't have to do a training arc and was revealed to be royalty at the end.