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>Thread question:Anything new from 3.0 you want to try out?
>>95851929 (OP)I want to practice the Challenge flow, I feel like that's the biggest and most relevant "new concept." Also want to try flyers, but probably won't come up as often.
God I swear to God GW better not have done as some people are suggesting and made some consuls give bonus detachments of certain types like vigilantors adding a bonus combat pioneer detachment, tired of Marines getting force org privilege
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I'm kind of retarded but this just means that your opponent picks which units the batches/strike groups go right?
it seems very verbose and they tried to make it as handholdy as possible but it just comes off as word vomit
>>95851963Bruh, what the fuck is that paragraph even saying?
A lot of these rules are extremely wordy and strange. I don't believe the AI conspiracy (please god, don't be that), but it's weird for sure.
>>95851963From what i understand, a strike group is just a pool of attacks. So you take a group of successful wound roll from your opponent thats targeting one of your units and resolve it, starting with the active player
>>95851963It's a very complicated way of saying that the player whose turn it is resolves things first in each step.
Moving to a European country and wanting to get into HH but I canโt find any place that plays HH regularly in either of my two potential cities. Feeling really sad. They have fucking trench crusade night once a week but no HH. Mega gay, I love how crunchy the new 3.0 rules look and I donโt have any previous experience playing HH so it would all be new to me anyways.
>>95851948>Player A chooses Seize the Initiative >Player B choose Crane Heretic Smasher 3000 Stance and counts the rivets in his squad for a bonus to combat resolution on a Tuesday, but also grants +d3 attacks after the sun has set.>Player A goes first and kills Player Bs character with a thunder hammerFin.
>>95851929 (OP)>TQI'm just really eager to try and build a list using the new org detachment system and seeing what kind of crazy shit I can pull with the prime traits, but I can't really do that until the liber system is out. I would love to see the "gun them down" rule for winning a melee combat in action though, that seems fun also and makes vets with both good melee and good guns much more of a scary threat
>>95851999and it's gonna be so cool
>>95851963My professional job is interpretation of regulations governing lending and this is worse verbiage than on actual legislation.
>>95851963This is what happens when GW cheaps out and refuses to pay for the premium AI.
>>95851963>it seems very verbose and they tried to make it as handholdy as possible but it just comes off as word vomit>>95851972>A lot of these rules are extremely wordy and strange. I don't believe the AI conspiracy (please god, don't be that), but it's weird for sure.this is how I feel in regards to every single leaked rule so far
>>95851929 (OP)>TQwith how the new foc works I might rewrought some of my unpainted sicarans that were orginally for my Iron Hands to my Word Bearers.
>>95851963I feel like an immigrant with English as a second language reading this
>>95851999Why are people being such spergs about challenges?
Does anyone actually use the bayonets? Is there anything you can do with them if you don't?
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how far is a pile in move?
I have come to the conclusion that the average /hhg/ poster is Indian from their reading comprehension.
>>95851963Bro they really did go and write the rulebook in old High Gothic lmaoth
Reminder, if you only want the saturnine models, just don't buy any of the boxes. The boxes take up so much shelf space that if we all refuse to buy them, they'll Dominion and plummet from $350 down to $120 per box. It's in none of our best interest to buy this on release.
>>95852128I'll give polish-anon a break, but it's grim to think that i share this hobby with so many jeets.
>>95852138Iโm going to buy all the boxes and hoard the saturnine and only sell it at inflated prices in small controlled batches like a saturnine OPEC
Does anyone still play Legion Imperialis?
>>95851929 (OP)With the changes to retinues being their own detatchment god i fucking hope that means i can take a command squad with a centurion like a librarian rather then needing to take a preator and librarian
>>95852112Such verbose language everywhere else, no pile in distance. Pottery.
>>95852188Soon we'll be playing Big Ligma (Bigma?)
>>95852188yes
i still play titanicus too
is it just me or do the 3.0 rules read like they are AI generated slop?
>>95852007Oof same. In 2.0 I wanted to see if a list was good. Easiest thing to do was to test it in combat. Found out winning nets little data โ ended up tweaking the tester list instead.
I'm going to assume the same costs
>Primary DetachmentHigh command: Armilus Dynat
Command: Saboteur, Exodus
|->Logistical Benefit โ Army Vanguard: Lerneans w/LR DT
Troops: 15 Inductii, 15 Inductii, 10 Inductii
|->Logistical Benefit โ Army Vanguard: Lerneans w/LR DT
Transports: 1 Rhino
Apex detachment: 1 Praetorian Terminator Command squad
->Logistical Benefit โ Combat Pioneer: Seekers
>>95852233People who say this have never been forced to work with AI and it shows. By the time you're done trying to get it stop hallucinating or search files properly you've basically just done the whole job yourself.
>>95851963>>95852074they are obviously afraid of someone trying to play the game and being like the fucking dad making a sandwich. every single step is broken down into multiple short sentences. you just have to read word by word instead of trying to get the gist of it.
>>95851929 (OP)>Thread question:>Anything new from 3.0 you want to try out?A new game
>>95852111if chain bayonets are just bayonets with shred there might be a use for them, because you wouldn't want your tacs going against W2 models anyway.
>>95852242There are no more dedicated transports. Those LR need their own slots. Also logistical benefit is once per detatchment
>>95851963>>95851972>>95852074I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who found the rules writing so far to be overwrought and needlessly wordy.
I'm holding out hope that it's a serious case of jargon overuse and that once you have the full document in hand and are using it everything manages to flow.
>>95852286Double the content!
>all rules are now simply worded twice as long>some of the rules pages in the leaks were more than half blank
>>95852311I can't wait to see how heavy these new books are
>>95852311>having to carry around a 30 lb hardback book with 100 unnecessary pages of bad rule wording and unnecessary painting sections and unnecessary lore sectionsI really don't understand why GW starter boxes aren't 3 soft-back books like the Lord of the Rings one.
book 1: soft lightweight with 100% of the rules and easy references
book 2: all the lore, possibly optional scenario missions for each major lore thing
book 3: just like 30 showoff armies and painting guides teaching how to do each color scheme in some relatively easy method like slapchop
Then if you only needed one or two missions you could just print/photocopy that one and carry the lightweight rules, or just bring the two lightweight books if you want them all. It's not like the one triple size hardback book is somehow making GW extra profit, it's just bullshit.
>>95852112likely unchanged from present 3" king
>>95852247god I wish I'd had the balls to demand hundreds of millions of dollars of investment in "macros, but worse now"
>>95851999Kekked and checked
If I can't kill a man when I accidentally drop the rulebook, I don't want it.
>>95852250I have no idea who is supposed to be the player and who is the writer in here, but I agree with you completely
Yeah I gotta say, while I do like some of the new rules in how they actually function, in terms of explanations this is the worst written GW rulebook of all time. It's like all the memes about how bad the recent editions of 40k have gotten turned up to 11. Like they can't bear to have a single possible case of anything in the entire system needing an FAQ answer and have to pander to tournament autists harder than anything has ever pandered to anyone. It's abysmal to read, just absolutely nauseating. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
>>95852268I can bring as many Auxiliary detachments as I have Consuls (or 2x for Centurions), but only one Apex detachment for a High Command right? So:
>PrimaryHigh Comm: Dynat
Comm: Saboteur, Exodus
Troops: 15 Inductii, 15 Inductii, 10 Inductii
Light Transports: 1 Rhino
>Aux 1Armoured Fist
Heavy Transports: 3 Land Raiders
>Aux 2Vanguard: Two Lernean squads
>ApexRetinue: Praetorian Terminator Command squad
->Logistical Benefit - Pioneers: Seekers
>>95851999I'm just thinking of that scene in Thunderbolts where Taskmistress chooses the sword-twirl-riposte-gambit and then the opponent just chooses to use "just shoot them in the head instantly" gambit.
It's not even going to be a mini-game, there's just one obvious choice and nothing else.
>>95852418They used to do this actually, I couldn't tell you why they stopped. Probably some fucking jewish reason.
>>95852487Vanguard is an apex detachment, though lerneans might be in the shock assault detachment. Tough to say where they and the headhunters will be for sure until the liber is out
>>95852247I get the sense you either haven't worked with AI recently or you aren't very smart, because if you're an intelligent person who can actually think and intuit for yourself and just use the AI as a force multiplier it's insanely helpful.
>>95852487i think it is better to spend the logistical benefit from the prime tactical.
>>95852465you're not a fan of ?
>The Player that selects the initial Target Model, may select any Model in the Target Unit (the selected Model does not have to be a Combatant in the current Initiative Step) If any eligible Modedl has already has its Wounds or Hull Points Characteristic negatively modified (sometimes referred to as having 'already lost wounds') but has not been removed from the Unit, then that Model must be selected as the Target Model unless it also has the Command Sub-Type. Note that if the Attacking Player has inflicted only wounds, then the Target Model may not have the Vehicle Type, while if the Attacking Player has inflicted only Penetrating Hits then the Target Model must have the Vehicle Type - if an appropriate Target Model cannot be selected then all remaining wounds or Penetrating Hits are discarded. If the Attacking Player has inflicted both wounds and Penetrating Hits, then separate Target Models must be selected for them. If there is no eligible Model that may be selected as the Target Model then all remaining wounds or Penetrating Hits in the current Strike Group are discarded and a new Strike Group must be selected using the same Rules as those used to select the first?
>>95852517I'm literally gonna have a psychotic break trying to read this. Bro, Advanced Squad Leader isn't this bad.
the enemy commander cannot challenge you if he is blown up beforehand
>>95852523it's like it's written in EULA-lese which are intentionally so unpleasant to read that nobody will read the fine print for a lawsuit b efore agreeing
I understand exactly what it means it just uses 5x as many words as needed and physically hurts
>>95852545>I understand exactly what it meansYeah it's not impossible to understand it's just fucking miserable
>>95852553"if any model has lost wounds already" became "if any eligible model has already has its wounds or hull points characteristic negatively modified sometimes referred to as having already lost wounds"
That's an example of the exact same thing changed from 7 words to 23 words. I don't like "One Page Rules" because they go too far on skimping, but this book is unforgivable verbal diarrhea.
they really need to fire the book editor, in a boarding pod, into the surface of the sun
>>95852609KT24 is like this too, so much stuff could be explained in 5 words yet they use 2 sentences
>>95852609>I don't like "One Page Rules" because they go too far on skimping, but this book is unforgivable verbal diarrhea.Yeah OPR is the exact opposite problem. HH3.0 is like drowning and OPR is like dying of thirst in the desert.
>>95852250ah, the fun of programming class exercises in high school.
>>95852621Brilliant! And fun fact, we only got that scene because Harrison Ford was sick with a cold that day, so instead of a big fight scene he just shoots once.
Praetor, the dreadnoughts keep trying to form a mecha.
>>95852636Wasn't it dysentery?
>>95851972Actually I do think it's AI, but I think the prompt went like this:
>GW dev writes the rule in normal language>copypastes it into ChatGPT>"Reword this so that it cannot be interpreted ambiguously by competitive players looking to abuse the letters of the rule for an advantage">this fucking slop comes out the other end
>>95852621Now do the other way around, with someone trying to Seize the initiative on a finishing blow divination Librarian with a charnable sabre.
>>95852621>Aeonid Thiel.gif
So you all know the reason we have these worded this way is because of tournament faggots right?
The reason they need to word it all this much is becuase retarded TFG's will try to pull peak bullshit like pick related, and GW does not have the balls to address it like they used to back in the day like pic related.
>>95852678competition only belongs in these games insofar as to properly simulate the scenario at hand, you must be attempting to defeat the foe in earnest
>>95852621also, there's something weird with 30k lore.At least like 15 of the primarchs possess some Archeotech super-ultra-murder pistol to kill gods, and yet they never even attempt to shoot them at another primarch even once in 10,000 years.
Lion's Fusil Actinaeus plasma, Sanguinius Infernus melta, Ferrus' plasma+gravitons, Vulkan's Furnace's Heart melta or dragonbreath heavy flamer gloves, Morty's Lantern plasma, Lorgar's Devotion graviton, Alpharius venom spheres, etc.
I guess it makes a little sense for the 6-7 lame bolter primarchs but not for anyone with a useful god-pistol.
and actually if you're alpha legion even that is a little blurry as of 2.0 where you can field a grouping of loyalist marines and getting them all killed to a man makes you win more
>>95852697Hell, Corax even has 2. He's even modeleld with both, and is shooting one.
hell, just for psychological reasons alone. Jaghatai should've blapped morty's fart-generator off his face to fuck with the guy. It's not like his fart-tubes are made of 10 inches of adamantium or something.
>>9585267870% of their customers play a grand total of 0 full games. Then like 28% does some casual beer and pretzel fucking around. And 2% are tournament players.
It's a big mistake to make an entirely unusable garbage 10 lb EULA law book for the sake of 2% of their customers (ruining the experience for the other 98%)
>>95852697Primarchs have a 1+ save rerolling 1s whenever it's convenient.
>>95852720Anon, no most people spedning money on GW slop are tournament players, thats why GW leaned so fucking hard into it in 9th and 10th, they also started doing tournament support again, which if it was just for 2% they would not do that. The majority of their consoomers are tournament slop players.
>>95852720The problem is those 2% of faggots are turbo paypigs who will buy absolutely EVERYTHING if it's strong enough in the meta.
>>95852367>>95852418>It is the grimdarkness of the year 2028>the remaining 30k players have just started 4e>every player has a caddie like a golf player to carry around their 120kg of rulebooks, libres, supplements and campaign books>HH events are protested by Greenpeace as 4e books consumed 14% of the remaining Amazon rainforest to print
>>95852517This isn't that complicated, and it was needed because, if /hhg/ is indicative of the playerbase, most HH 2.0 players were fucking retarded and such robust verbiage otherwise they try to constantly "find intended rules."
>>95852778>This isn't that complicatedBro go fuck yourself, no one needs to read and parse that slop.
>>95852783Complicated and long aren't synonyms
>>95852778you're legitimately retarded if you think the 3.0 rulebook is more Clear or more Understandable. No, there will be more rules confusion than ever before because they used 400% as many words to make things more complicated. More words isn't a magical balm that means readers won't be able to interpret a word to have two or three different meanings.
>>95852517Is this what it's like to be zoomer brained? I get half way through that horrible shit and my brain just starts refusing to go any further.
Rules don't need to like Facebook terms and conditions, holy shit
So any speculations on how the new force organisation chart affects mechanicum? Are thallaxii your regular troops, or should those slots be filled with tech -thralls? Also seems like I need to print a few more Magi and tech -priests to play the game.
>>95852783>>95852799It repeats for emphasis. It emphasizes for repetition. The repetition is to emphasize to retards like (You) who tried to claim infinite allied detachments in HH 2.0. Yes, the retards, such as (You), need emphasis via repetition.
Are there any new units you hope your legion will get in the future? My idea is pretty unoriginal but I like it: special breachers for Word Bearers. I want a unit of evil paladins with prayers scribbled on their shields, serving as bodyguards to diabolists and the like.
Honestly, as cool as possessed are I'd rather focus on the religious aspects of the legion and the daemons second. Ashen Circle is a cool unit that fits into that and after seeing the mk2 breachers I remembered I always wanted a special unit of them for my WB.
>>95852800No, your brain is fine. The problem is that if every paragraph uses 30-90 words to say 7-20 words worth of meaning - your brain can unconsciously categorize the words as meaningless filler - White Noise - which it wants to tune out - but you can't just stop 1/3rd of the way through because they've interspersed the actual meaningful words the whole length between the filler.
In other games even by the same company, they post the 1/3rd of actual meaning and then release the EULA slop trash as a FAQ/Errata for tournament tards to cross-reference if they get into a delicate argument about the meaning.
Sure it means you have to carry both the rulebook and the FAQ, but it's far more useable and in old editions you could still have a fun beer-and-pretzels game even if you never actually used any of the FAQs/Erratas. They only mattered for sweaty tournament play.
>>95852853Sort of surprised WB don't have their own unique Terminators yet. Maybe it works as an exception to the rule and Gal Vorbak also exist, but still.
>>95852853i mean... as of now you can already load up a command squad with boarding planks and whatever else and attach them to your masters of the legion and the new force org seems to lay out command squads as something that can be more widely appended now, say to a diabolist maybe
>>95852853which book made you think word bearers use breachers? Every legion doesn't need to be Imperial Fists and using shield walls. That is not a Word Bearer trait at all.
Martyrs with faith in their gods and shield-walls don't go together at all.
If anything, give Word Bearers the exact opposite - the ability to go fearless and run up and immolate themselves with a melta-bomb in order to take out an enemy landraider while yelling "Aloha Lorgar! Aloha Lorgar! The gods will bring me back!" PEWWWWwwww.
>>95852853An option to take chainswords on breachers basic breachers would be nice.
It's not too optimal be running chainswords on all my Immortals is as blast, and it's shame that really only UM and IF get to do melee breachers.
>>95852892no how dare you even suggest that anything besides immortals should get to enjoy boarding shield chainswords!
hilariously cool loadout
>>95852878You know, this is actually more viable now.
In 2.0 they kinda suck since they can't run if they have boarding shields, and landraiders are expensive and still eat shit to lascannons.
Now though, you can just charge out of cheap expendable rhinos, so you're hugely cheaper than a termie command squad in box.
>>95852887Fists don't own breachers and shields go with religious warriors.
>>95852853The biggest thing WB is missing is the Athame assassin squads. That time like 4-6 athame users teleported onto Guilliman's flagship and tried to slay a primarch. The squad would be more fragile than terminators but able to deepstrike onto the board and cause instant death to a primarch they nominate before the game if they successfully wound him.
That would be word bearers specific not just "word bearers but holding a shield like everyone else"
>>95852913 it's a shame that people can only think of religous zealotry as suicical jihadist, did people forget about the many crusades and that form of religoius war.
Stuff like reddit crusade as hasn't helped
>>95852934Trench Crusade is fucking kino made by the best 40k devs from GWs golden age dude.
>>95852903I wish I could do chainaxe breachers for world eater. Good? No, probably terrible, but they'd look cool.
What are all you nerds working on?
Here's my latest batch of world eater mooks. Magnetized backpacks so one day I can fulfill my fantasy of 100 berserkers charging up the field on foot.
I think the mk.4 dudes in the back were sitting in a tub of simple green since before 2.0 even came out, and that industrial strength blue paint on the pads still wouldn't fully come off, yet the glue on every part eventually dissolved.
>>95852507Oh, then I guess i'd spend the Logistican of the Primary and of the Apex into bringing a Lernean each, and have the Seekers be an Aux Pioneers now that Vanguard won't be used
>>95852514Yee. I suppose it would be that and Master Sergeant
liber leaks soon? are those books out in the wild yet?
>>95853077not as far as we know
from what i read from leakeranon, he just has the boxset, core rulebook only, no army books.
>>95853077only the starter box is out in the wild, so rulebook and maybe some stats for the units in the box if we're lucky
>>95852660>divination Librarian with a charnable sabre.Sounds fast, but I think Breaching 6 sabres will just bounce off armour saves
>>95852947it's a shame that it insist upoon itself.
>>95853099the language Trench Crusade is speaking is a language of subtlety, something you wouldn't understand
>>95851963The more anons that say they feel the same way, the more relieved I am that I didn't develop overnight spontaneous brain damage
>>95853145>Similar to Rick and morty, you need to have a high IQ to understand TCWhy did such an interesting game get stuck with such an annoying fasnbase.
>>95853145>language of subtletyA quick google search tells me they have some sort of Enuncia that can burn sinners alive. Problem is, no one is sinless, so they are dangerous to everyone
>>95851972>conspiracy What conspiracy? AI use is widespread in most white collar laptop jobs. It's a 100% guarantee that it was used at least somewhere in the writing of this rulebook, even if it's just for drafting. What seems to be the case is that they've overused it and taken its word salad to be "high quality" output without thinking too much about it. Convoluted =/= intelligent
>>95853145>>95853179I don't think having a unit in the devil worshippers army that consists of people who killed themselves to spite god is very subtle.
>>95852510You're the reason OpenAI had to roll back their overly agreeable update. "Akshually AI is highly useful to intelligent people like myself". It's a force multiplier if what you were generating anyway was slop
>>95852853>Honestly, as cool as possessed are I'd rather focus on the religious aspects of the legion and the daemons second.This was the one thing stopping me from picking them up honestly. I love that religious and belief aspect of them and that side of them gets a lot of love in the books but on the tabletop it isn't nearly as prevelant beyond cool stuff like the unique reaction and the ashen circle.
>>95853250That's because that's the stuff you're supposed to do yourself. Real word bearers isn't kitbashing chaos space Marines it's taking normal HH kits and writing scripture and concentric runes and tagging purity seals everywhere
>>95853257The aesthetic representation isn't the struggle, it's the actual rules side of things I felt a bit 'eh' on. I understand it's harder to represent belief and faith as like a gameplay thing over just daemons, possessed and murder power weapons but still.
>>95852970I would instead take a vanguard detachment for apex and the prime benefit of the tacticals in the primary to bring the command squad. That frees up the command prime and vanguard prime for paragon of battle, master sergeant, and whatever legion specific ones AL might have.
>>95853213"AI use is widespread"
"You're a tranny"
Fucks sake anon lay off the porn
>>95853292i don't listen to hiphop
Help me on this one plz
>Test the Foe: "Automatically gain Challenge Advantage in Glory step"
So, you're the one who gains the combat resolution despite not necessarily being the one who made the most wounds? I mean, you may never get to the Glory step alive because:
1) After the Step 4 (Strike), the player with the Advantage can simply choose to go back to Step 2 (Choose Gambit) all over again. That is, you never get to Glory
2A) He gains the Advantage again in Step 3 (Focus), which you reached without ever getting to Step 5 (Glory). Thus he goes first, again. The gambit had been useless.
2B) You gain the Advantage in Focus, which you reached without ever getting to Glory. The gambit had been useless.
3B) After Striking, you, as the Advantage player, decide to go to Glory. Test the Foe kicks in...and gives you the advantage you already had? And then the duel ends because you're at the Glory step, so it's over anyways?
C) Someone died, so it doesn't matter anymore
>>95853292Of course I did, I literally had to google what Trench Crusade was, then found a wiki with like two paragraphs of text
How was I going to get any reference at all?
>>95852155>hoard the saturninethank you, the models are fuck ugly and nobody should ever play them. Please melt them down.
>>95853431These AI detectors are written to never actually catch AI. You could slip the most blatantly written AI trap and it will give you a 0%
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>>95853431It doesn't have to be the raw output of GPT to be slop. It could easily have been manually edited multiple times and still be an AI slop mess
>>95853622you'd know, wouldn't you?
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>>95853657Keep moving the goalposts
>>95853657However it may be, they certainly never heard of "less is more", just like the 4 pages of challenges clusterfuck. That amount of pages is enough to describe a full game.
>>95853206Claim: AI is very likely to have been used in the writing of the 3.0 rules
>>95853671What are you, some kind of fag that's built their identity around being an AI genius?
>>95853694>>95853657>>95853528Mental illness. Why is it that this general (even this fucking website) must latch onto something and push it in every one's fucking face as if it was that gospel. Seriously, a fucking AI detector? Are you living four years ago? It's already been debunked as something that has no chance in detecting actually AI writing.
>>95852959Nailsisters, how we holding up with the news of 6" charges with 3" consolidate?
Sons of Horus forgelord. The resin they used for the warpsmith is the most delicate thing ever
>>95852500Oh the aulden days.
>>95853755was really hoping they'd do the arcane journal format for legions but there's always printing.
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If leaker-chad is around (or its already been answered) can anyone confirm if warcom is correct or getting rules wrong as usual when it comes to only High Command giving Apex Detachments? Rules from the leaks yesterday seem to suggest command and high command give both, but there might be stuff on another page.
>>95852697The lore for some of those weapons are bizarre even for warhammer. Sanguinius pistol can only ever be shot once before it is rendered unusable and sent back to some guy whose only job is to fix Sanguinius fucking pistol. Who is stupid enough to bring a weapon which you can shoot exactly once before it breaks? Not even grimderp levels of stupid
>>95853799there are a lot of things pointing at the high command (praetor) being the thing that imbues a single apex detachment choice, and perhaps only one
namely the lines on the force organization sheet pointing to aux detachments from the command group whereas apex detachments are pointed to from the high command slot
and also
'Your High Command slot is special, as it allows you to take an additional Auxiliary Detachment or an Apex Detachment.'
t. warcom
>>95853745I'm gonna have to wait to see if there's gonna be anymore modifers to the set-up distance. Although it's definitely frustrating after I decided to go with despoilers rather than assault marines.
Just doing a couple lascannons to put on my LR explorator (Which hopefully I'll still have use for).
Gotta say, I really do like the lascannon design. Not as iconic as some of the other weapons, but it's a sleek look that also kind of puts you in mind of the power it'll have, and still has design notes that fit the rest of the setting.
>>95853715Except it *did* detect AI content, look at the second picture. So maybe we can conclude that AI written but human rewritten text isn't AI anymore.
It doesn't matter how they wrote the text, the real issue is it needs a law degree to decypher because it is full of unnecessary bloat.
The flavor text just consumes space, the summary is nice and should be the actual rule and then there is just Spaghetti words with fillers like "for an attack with the Shred(X) Special Rule" which is so obvious from the context that only a lawyer or mathematician would write it. And by just adding this shit they erase the last 3 thoughts from the reader's mind and force him to read again after using a text marker.
Also, every player who went to 7th grade should be able to understand a phrase "if the result (before modifiers) is >= X, then...". But no, they write "of the result of the Dice roll (derp, what else, retards? The fingers behind my back?)... to this variant of the Shred(X) Special rule (what the fuck of all fucks; just drop this)". And then the stupid note. There are obviously different tests and they are named because they are written uppercase. And Wound Test is obviously not an Armour Penetration Test.
So on one hand it is written for utter morons but requires these morons to have a very long short term memory for multiple conditions at once.
Let's see: When.... of... before... is... attached...then if... by ... of. What a buttload of shit. 9 conditions to memorize and evaluate.
Let's nest it:
if wound test and not armor pen {
When shred attack (and we are here, derp, guess we are?!) {
of result && before modifiers (oh shit, we have to do this again, Bob, I counted them in) && is >= X && attached (we are really still here, but why the fuck wouldn't we, Bob??) {
if test = inflicted wound by (the reason we are here!1!!) of that wound (we are currently looking at, derp) {
increase by 1
}
}
}
}
>>95853804Reminder that, according to Munitorum vol. 1, each plasma gun needs their ten shot plasma flash to be replaced by a techpriest and it takes hours of work. For every plasma gun. In the Imperium.
>>95853812I committed to drilling out 30 hands to push chainaxes into
Can the people arguing about AI take there shit over to /slop/ or sopmewhere else.
>>95853809Ahh, good spot with the arrows on the org chart.
I wonder if Delegatus will make a centurion count as High Command to unlock Apex detachments.
I hope they keep the Optae, it's actually makes sense to have a lesser/cheap character option now with the new charts.
>>95853818Are you having a meltdown, you fucking retard? THE DETECTOR DOES NOT WORK. It CANNOT detect AI content. It gives falses positives 90% of the time.
>>95851929 (OP)>Anything new from 3.0 you want to try out?I'm mostly curious about new units. The Praetorian command, Veteran Assaults, etc.
>>95853828SOMETHING HAPPENED TO CHAIN AXES?
WHAT HAPPENED TO CHAIN AXES?
>>95853818Readable version here:
Wound Test for Shred(X) attacks:
If the result is >= X (before modifiers), then the Damage Characteristic is increased by 1.
Everyone stick a post-it over the original text with this.
>>95853837Saying it doesn't work means it never works and I managed to disprove that with the very first example. q.e.d
Try yourself.
>>95853862>>95853837If by some miracle you retards procreate I hope your children are even more autistic than you and everday argue about the most inconsequential bullshit to the point that you decide to kill yourselves.
>>95853745>>95853792Well, the Set-up Move moves you 4" for a marine (I+M=13 on the table, which is 4"), then both players can opt to make volley attacks (snap shotting assault weapons which is done on 5+ for marines), followed by a 2d6 discard the lowest dice charge.
So it's more like 4+the highest of two dice charge distance. The Set-up Move is not slowed by terrain either.
>>95853745Upside is if you can manoeuvre in to within that 3" during the movement phase, you can bypass any overwatches/volleys, which is rad.
>>95853799That paragraph is vague, not contradictory, and so all the other evidence should be considered the refinement. Apexes are Praetor only.
>>95853886>I+M=13How d'you get that? Standard marine is I:4, M:7, which is 11, and thus 3"
>>95853886marines are movement 7 and initiative 4.....
7+4 is not 13 <3
>>95853891well I sure am glad this game has so much depth so it can cover all these things that never happen
>>95853912>well I sure am glad this game has so much depth so it can cover all these things that never happenunironically a playgroup issue, getr more terrain if you think you need more terrain.
>>95853912Happened to me more than once. I've had friends who were pissed that double 1s were a failed charge because they were that close.
>>95853745Well, if the default charge distance for normal marines is max 9 inches,then if they keep berserker assault,it would give us a big advantage, because then the average goes from 7.5 inches to 9.5 charge, with max being 11
Which is quite good
>>95853745>>95853771We do get some positives.
We can now freely charge from any vehicle (although disordered), so 3e style rhino rush is back on the menu.
The charge distance isn't actually the bad. The threat range is sadly lower, but charge range is now more consistant, and is actually higher on average.
ALSO you can pursue units after winning combat, which lets you go back into combat if you get in base contact with an enemy model.
>>95853899>>95853901woops, I'm sleep deprived
>>95853755I miss armies looking like that. My duds were 1 Cpt and a chaplain. one jump pack honor guard, 4 las/plas tacticals with a vet sgt each, 2x5 melee scouts with a vet sgt each and a DC to feed those veteran sgts in to.
>>95853715Get a load of the charonite ogryn over here
>>95853944>positive for melee players: you now must buy 8 rhinos for your army to functionthat'll be an extra $420, sir.
And don't you worry in 4E GW will remove the ability for rhinos to charge.
>>95853818>>95853847I kinda want to make a pdf with the rules but rewritten without the wordbloat.
Wouldn't even be a problem if the little bold blurb every rule has actually gave the entire rule with all the conditions, which they don't since there's often some minor condition only written in the word bloat version.
As it is now it seems to be made for autistic rules lawyers who want every little detail as clear as possible but are also retarded to the point where they don't understand simple instructions.
Many of the rules are barely readable.
If you look past the bloat it seems like a great ruleset.
>>95854021Even if the text was in bullet points, it would be easier to read!
>>95854038How about you write good rules?
>>95853799I wonder if these are in the special rules section or similar?
>>95854042simplified not simple anon (^:
>>95854038>If you are arguing about it then it's Then it's what? THEN IT'S WHAT?
>>95852517Why would anyone think this is written by AI? AI is not this fucking retarded
This reads like a college essay were they've been told to fill 5 pages with something that fits perfectly fine in 1
>>95854038Lol this is exactly like that Surgeon chad meme
Saved
>>95853971Hm, around 1500 points and still playable in 40k and HH3; replace the sarge with power fist with a consul to get the dreads, take the Praetor for the venerable dread and the speeders and it's a list. Unless the opponent plays to win by score instead of fun.
I like how the speeders look like today's flyers by choosing that height.
>>95853755Miss when SW were all about vehicle conversion.
>>95854049I argue, therfore I am
>Renรฉ Destartes
>>95854038Coincidentally I recently read a book about a traditional card's game that is played for over 200 years and the book had examples like this:
People who never allow to play in a creative way (because this is WRONG), people who calculate all statistical outcomes (which destracts them so much they do heavy tactical mistakes during play without noticing) and people who just exist because they breathe.
I think the problem is people.
>>95852517>>95854060It's entirely possible that the rules writers are just really autistic.
As an autismo retard myself this is how I would write everything for school until I realized my teachers didn't understand my word gibberish, I've gotten better with it over the years.
The ruleset isn't even bad, rather it seems really good, which just reinforces my belief that it's a dedicated rules autist behind it.
It's just poorly written to be understood by anyone else.
I really think we should make that rules pdf.
>>95854060>after the economic downturn, IBM programmers who are used to being paid by how many thousands of lines of code they've written have been forced to find jobs elsewhere - such as the Games Workshop rules division
>>95854076Ahh, the days where Space Wolves were just "Space Marines but your rules are better in every way - just min-max anything you want just like Chaos Space Marines"
>>95852720>>95852757>>95852764>Company thinks that catering to spergs works because they'll constantly buy in on the latest bullshit>Tries to heavily move with trends instead of trying to get ahead of the curve or meaningfully modernize Other companies have done this in a whole host of businesses where it works until they all of a sudden lose both their real fans and those spergs and then they go under.
>>95854104Space Wolves are the Fisher King of Games Workshop rules writing. If they're not overpowered, chances are it's a shit edition.
>>95853973Were you footslogging all your melee before?
>>95854128He doesn't play games anon, no point arguing with him.
>>95854038>It's all so tiresome.
>>95854152When you break into the warhammer office and steal a copy for yourself.
>>95854128as someone picking up WE in 3.0 what transports would you suggest? With melta being scary is it going to be raiders or bust or is it worth having rhino spam? I sold my SoH when DS turned out to be worthless in 2.0 so getting men into melee is kind of a sore issue for me
>3e is one giant retard filter
Pretty based.
>>95854168I'd say rhinos for cheap units and land raiders for expensive ones as a rule of thumb.
All this said I wanna know about drop pods.
>>95854060It does all seem like they're trying to head off every possible misinterpretation of the rule by going through every interaction in excruciating detail. All that blather about strike groups and targets could be summarised as follows:
>if you're locked in combat with multiple units then select which one you're targeting before you roll to hit or wound>you can't batch roll attacks with different characteristics together>controlling player allocates woundsI suppose they're trying to stop people from rules lawyering by leaving no room for arguments, but all this confusing verbosity is going to have the opposite effect.
>>95854168Unless they do something retarded like pricing them at 80p, you probably want rhinos
Meltas really look like they are going to be there to kill dreads and saturnine equivalents, not vehicles
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>>95854180Come on, there had to have been a better way of writing this.
>>95851976This.
They worded it badly.
I understand it's long but it's pretty clear what it's talking about if you have ever actually played the game
Do we know how damage is allocated yet? If it's like brutal where you save for each damage or it's one save for each attack
>>95854123GW has enough people who want nerd cred so act like they're massive 40k fans because they played Space Marine 2, and they'll occasionally pick up a box of models so they can say they're not just vidya tourists.
There's enough of those that James will be fine for quite some time.
>>95852112I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it. Why the fuck wouldn't they state the distance in this paragraph
>>95854180of the 5000 people who play heresy globally, I'd say 90% are giant retards anon. That's not going to result in good engagement metrics. On the other hand at least it will push the bloated corpse that are disillusioned 40k meta chasers away from the ship.
>>95852853Good taste Anon. Here are the Word Bearer breachers I converted using stormcast shields. The Word Bearer transfer sheet as well as the Betrayal at Calth transfers are good for scripture if you can get them.
>>95854194Kind of based for them to autistically explain words like that, maybe it was written for ESL people kek
>>95851976yes, it's a wound pool. They've always called it a wound pool
It works exactly the same as before
Just for whatever reason they decided to turn 1 paragraph into a whole fucking page
>>95852112what the actual fuck
>>95852227> YesGay
> Also titanicus Very based
>>95854209>what the actual fuckmeant for
>>95854194
>>95854180>filters both retards who can't read and patricians who refuse to read wall-o-texts>tourneyfags remainBravo, GW! Bravo!
>>95854217But if you played 2.0 before then you can skip most of the nonsense though
>>95854194>'A unit performing a Psychic focus suffers perils of the Warp if both dice, after any rerolls, show a double. See the opposite table for the effect,'Was it that fucking difficult?
jfc
>>95854194>"Perils of the warp" happens when a natural double is rolled for a psychic test. Its effects are applied to the unit the test is rolled for.>Glossary, at start of the book: "natural" refers to the result on a die before any modifiers are applied.Done.
this one is even better
>>95854223
>>95854194All the problems stem from the fact they want to add re-rolls ,+1/-1 etc instead of just giving tests with a larger spread of possibilities aka use a d12 or d20.
And if native anglos think this is unfun to read imagine the enjoyment of reading this as a 2ed or 3ed language user.
>>95854205>On the other hand at least it will push the bloated corpse that are disillusioned 40k meta chasers away from the shipI know it's basically impossible but I want 40k to use this ruleset.
Where is leak anon where the fuck is the rest of it
>>95854168Do people really sell whole armies based off rule changes?
>>95854194What is the fucking point of making a distinction between Psychic Powers and Reactions if Psychic reactions are only ever gonna be used as a reaction and already specify they need a reaction allotment and when they can be cast in their own description?
They went from the same mechanic being spread over 10 different pages in 10 to each of those 10 pages repeating all parts at the same time. What the fuck is wrong with them
>>95854238Yes,I consider it retarded especially when you painted it all by yourself,but it does happen
I hope Lion keeps his Long Boy charge.
>>95854194Certainly, let's refine the explanation for clarity and conciseness, while retaining all essential information:
"Perils of the Warp" is a special rule that affects the Unit containing the Psychic Power's Focus. This occurs when a Willpower Check (made as a Manifestation or Resistance Check for a Psychic Power/Reaction) results in 'doubles'. 'Doubles' means both dice rolled for the Check show the same natural, unmodified number.
>>95854238yes it paid for two Old World armies, a game I actually play
>>95854258Don't the rules have both a legalese cover all fronts text and then a bold tl;dr or is it just USRs?
>>95854194Bruh, holy shit
>specifies the that dice roll is the 'uppermost face'>specifies that the die you need to check was a die rolled for this check>That fucking horrific sentence in the middle that is bereft of any punctuationBruh this really has either come out of, or been fed through AI, holy shit.
>>95852494Lmao that scene was funny as shit. To think she had to do all the promo when she is on screen for 1 scene and has a single line.
>>95854267>tl;drHalf those tl;dr show all the information of the rule and the other half show so little they are useless
>>95854280no, it hasn't. AI is not this fucking retarded
This came out of a lawyer
>mfw Corporate lawyer
>mfw HH 3.0 rules is like my contracts at work
Let me tell you about your earnout and the drag along and tag along, sluts. My training has paid off.
>>95854223>>95854229Alright, I'm making a word doc with all the rules in understandable language.
Post some more clearly written rules.
>>95854194>"Show the same number on their uppermost face."No wonder the box set is so expensive in Australia. They had to print an entire new rulebook that said "show the same number on their Bottommost face"
>>95854294Also page number
Shred
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Why the fuck do they have to change how basic rules work?
Weapons having a Damage characteristic doesn't mean you have to make Shred do something completely different you fucking retards
>>95854319I think they are trying to cut down on rerolls to speed the game up.
>>95854325They are not speeding the game up by making up another 12 fucking sub phases to the charge and assault phases, that's for sure
>>95854285TIL she never even wears the suit. It's a man wearing the taskmaster suit (Andy Lister) and doing the fights because Taskmaster is a man.
Man, that's the easiest job ever. Getting paid for 2 marvel films to be a woman who does and says basically nothing and someone else wears the suit.
>>95854319>attached to this variant of the Shred (X) Special rule... as opposed to the shred value of some entirely different model? Jesus christ this trash really was written by AI.
>>95854325>to speed the game up.Nobody looked at all the new shit they threw in?
>>95854334Yeah I figured as much. No way she was doing those stunts. So she came in, showed her face, said the line and maybe laid down on the floor for the shot where she's dead. Job done. Fucking hilarious I tell you.
>>95854334>TIL she never even wears the suit. It's a man wearing the taskmaster suit (Andy Lister)True in black widow, they finally got a female stund double for Thunderbolts (so, like, a day of filming?)
>>95854021I'd say we wait for someone to make a cheat sheet
>>95854294I got one for
>>95854319>When rolling To Wound for a weapon with the Shred (X) special rule, an unmodified roll equal or greater than (X) has it's damage increased by 1.That's it
Why the fuck are they binging up the 'this specific variant of Shred (X)'? What other fucking variant is it going to be?
Why the fuck are they bringing up whether the wound succeeds or not? If the roll is not enough to wound you discard it anyways, so it works the fucking same.
Why the fuck are they bringing up Armour Penetretion tests, that's not a To Wound roll so why the fuck would it matter?
>>95854365>>95854319The best part is that after all that fucking legaleese they don't even bring up whether the rule stacks or not, which it very well could
>>95854339that's kind of the point though, if they can save time on rolling to hit and to wound there is more time for shit like challenges and status tests.I don't think they are saving nearly enough time mind you, and they are increasing the memory load on players a fuck ton with modifiers.
>>95854371and Critical Hit says you automatically wound, but it does not say whether it can be used on vehicles or not, as vehicles don't receive wounds - they receive hull points which are almost identical to wounds but not wounds.
>>95854365>Why the fuck are they bringing up Armour Penetretion tests, that's not a To Wound roll so why the fuck would it matter?do we even know for sure how ArPen will work?
thread moves pretty fast, i don't remember if leakanon shared the arpen mechanic
>>95854382Works the same.
But glances don't do damages, just inflict statuses unless you get repeated results
Pens do the full Damage of the weapon but no statuses
>>95854382we already know everything about vehicle armor. A glancing has a 33% chance for 3 status tokens, and any repeats are an auto-wound that ignores armor saves entirely. A penetrating hit can never inflict any status whatsoever (retarded) and can have to deal with armor-saves unlike a glancing hit for some godforsaken reason.
>>95852517Not so shrimple now is it?!
>>95854392>Pens do the full Damage of the weapon but no statusesThis relic armour systems makes less and less sense all the time. Just get rid of it and monsterize everything already.
>>95854280>the die you check was a dice rolled for the attack not a different dice you didn't rollCheaters with extra dice sitting on 6s behind some terrain ruins that they'd slide over in the pile in SHAMBLES now, all your hours of rules writing paid off GW
This entire rulebook comes off like it was written by someone who has never played a tabletop wargame even once in their entire life.
It's like when for legal reasons a company needed to make a clone OS for IBM PCs without getting sued, so they had to find someone who'd never worked on one before, locked him in a room with no acccess to a computer, and made him invent how he thought he could program it to do the same thing as IBM without copying any of their work so IBM couldn't sue them for stealing
Anyone who'd actually played a wargame before would know you don't need to say "you have to read the dice that you rolled to find the value - not the dice you didn't roll that is sitting off the side of the table"
>>95854415that goes for all the holdovers at this point, we literally have a janky 8th edition on the horizon and people think it will turn out good somehow. None of the relic mechanics from armour to AP and even WS were designed around modifiers, damage and statuses so why does anyone expect it to work? I really miss the days of 1.0 when people were at least discerning about rules.
>>95853099It insists because it has a valid point to make it's insistent!
>>95854429>valid point to makeah yes le christianity bad, a message for all time.
>>95854424>This entire rulebook comes off like it was written by someone who has never played a tabletop wargame even once in their entire life.One of my standard checks for AI is asking it to write basic army lists with very basic parameters (pts cost, FoC, specific edition of a specific game). Every time it hallucinates. Every time it throws in a word salad of made up units and equipment.
3rd edition looks like It's gonna be an Age of Darkness ruled by lieutenants, praetors, marshals, archmagos' and anyone brave enough to raise their head for a fight. Post music for such heroes that belong to /your dudes/
https://youtu.be/Cl9FQIT-6iY?si=sZ2MADPBzA6q8Sv5
>>95854442I mean what do you expect? It takes everything warhammer related and tries to make it work and since it's a language model it even learns the mistakes of people, or very specific meta before an errata and so on
It doesn't do specific stuff like this
Wait, a bad charge can stun your dudes?
Fuck, they really hate melee.
>>95854447Nah, just 60 lascannons and multimeltas firing while sprinting backwards at full speed, with a couple dirt cheap mooks used as screen roadblocks to prevent any rhino rush from being able to ever reach them.
>>95854194BAHAHAHAHAHAHA BROWNS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>95854457>melee squad receives 1 status token, unable to move and 100% of damage lost>ranged squad receives 1 status token, instead of hitting on 3+ their shooting hits on 5+, only lost 50% of their damage output
>>95854462Could you simplify this text?* I need sleep jesus...
>>95854415No, just FAQ it to roll for all the statuses on a penetrating hit and leave it as it is otherwise.
>>95854459I too also like to make up imaginary annoying lists from opponents I'll never fight
>>95854462>AI can make rules sound more human, than the official GW rules which were allegedly written by humansgold star, james!
>>95854457yes but you get rid of statuses at the end of your turn so depending on how good of a roll you have it might not even matter
>>95854365"more is more, James, so put in some tautologies or you are fired"
"as you wish, lord chapter master of Nottingham"
>>95854447https://youtu.be/o6ogevccd7w?si=CObepUAZSMImRYbc
https://youtu.be/f96NHr_KpMU
https://youtu.be/770qoLmHSFA
https://youtu.be/vVHhPS7Etoo
And last but not least:
https://youtu.be/DWJzuC2IMNs
>>95854456>Yeah it's this super intelligent learning machine bro it learns on the entire data of the Internet and is smarter than a human - no it can't generate an army list for a game that follows very specific algorithmic criteria that's ridiculous what are you crazy It could copy paste a list posted online and it would be an improvement to what it currently does (generate something that sounds like an answer to a midwit)
>>95854488>Sol InvictusAnd in a sunless realm, the sun rose at last.
>>95854447https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2g4nqi6Xug
Just realised - the way deep strike works, the only real use case is big, bulky melee units who can take a turn of shooting before they move in for the kill, or shooting units who struggle to position.
The whole rule got gutted just to make it work almost exclusively for the new saturnine terminators.
>>95854532if it works for anyone its better than 2.0
>>95854550I can't tell if you're retarded or just a troll.
Man, they really get paid by the word don't they?
Mind you, every fucking psychic power and reaction tells you how to make a Manifestation check to cast it during the 'Process', so that hole page about blessing is literally repeating what is already repeated on every fucking power entry
>>95854560One is quickb game reference the other is legalese so shitters don't try to exploit.
>People complaining about how GW words their rules
Also funny how you can now take 1 more HQ and suddenly we are gonna see hundreds of centurions and praetors every game. Like come on now, how many of you didn't at least bring 2 HQ every game, or complained about how 3 HQ slots wasn't enough? Top kek.
>>95854560good lord it keeps happening. is the entire book like this?
>>95854447https://youtu.be/BbaaI5xf4y8?si=7V58ghQQbew8m3Q7
>>95854581Yeah the HQ thing is not an issue for me. I often played Ironfire so I always had that fucking Siege Breaker tax.
>>95854560>psychic curses use the lowest of all willpowers in the group, targeting the pussy nerd who got shoved into lockers>that is, unless your squad has a designated Social Worker upgrade, at which point you use his willpower to resist the powers of the daemons from the depths of the infinite abyss rather than that of the nerd in the back who is having an existential meltdownum... Okay.
>>95854572>One is quickb game referenceNo it's fucking not. The legaleese nonesens doesn't even tell you specifically how to make a Manifestation check so you also have to go look at that on a different page. And if you already know how to do that then it's no different from what is written in the powers, which already go out of their way to tell you who the focus is, who the target is, and when you can cast it.
The curse page is not even neccessary either because they could easily write the deny in the power itself...
>>95854583It really looks like it
>>95854560The section on Willpower could be more easily handled by just having a section describing characteristic checks.
>>95854605Yea. It's retarded. 'Use the lowers will power unless you basically have a higher will power'
Wtf. How many situations are there going to be when some one is part of a unit but is not a command character or Sgt of any kind and has a higher WP than everyone else?
>>95854581>can now bring at least three Exodus and still have a Praetor
>>95854205>5000 peopleHeresey is GWs 3rd biggest game
Psychic powers seem too easy to resist. Kind of silly to think they're so feared when they just fizzle and do nothing so often.
>>95854627Oh, they have it.
But that's not going to stop them from copy pasting it 700 times for each specific characteristic
>>95854635You can only resist curses, of which there's 1 at the moment.
Maybe psychic hoods let you interfere as well but otherwise you can't stop them
Reddit and other simlar places hate the new rules
>>95854644there's nullify too right?
>>95854633honestly i hope exodus counts as command so i can take more detachments
>>95854649Reddit hates british food too, does that make it good?
>>95854662British food is good tho?
>>95854463Also to balance to lose of shoting we added extra fire power to bolters.
>>95854674when the other option is eating gravel.
>>95854654>Nullify>If you have already failed a Resistance Check you can pay a reaction allotment to repeat the Check, now likely with negative modifierI mean, it's there
>>95854633I just hope he can bring Headhunters or Seekers in his detachment. He doesn't deserve the flexibility that others will get.
>>95854654>>95854689Still only works on curse tho
>>95854689weird you need the psyker trait too, thought the whole point is that it can be achieved with wards and the like.
>>95854674Depends, but bangers and mash is great at least
>>95854649Name something Reddit doesn't hate.
>>95854674I'm not really a fan of poo in the loo food so ... Nah
>>95854649They have shit taste
Hope leaker anon is okay, we haven't heard from him anymore.
Damn bros I think leakeranon might've actually gotten their head cracked
>>95851929 (OP)>Why is 3.0... LE WORD SALAD?Do you guys not remember the beginning of 2.0 when a bunch of retards were WILFULLY misunderstanding the intent of the rules because they thought they weren't specifix enough? Like the gh mouthbreathers wrote an entire analysis predicated upon intentionally misunderstanding how a reaction was intended to work and abusing that to their advantage?
If I were the dev team, I absolutely would've gotten as detailed as possible like this to shut idiots up and stop them from intentionally trying to ruin the game by pretending to be retarded.
>>95854717Maybe the wards gives you the Psyker subtype.
Or maybe you don't need the Psykers subtype at all and having wards just lets you use the reaction anyways.
Or they get to roll on it in some other way.
>>95854772Fucking GW sending out the Pinkertons
>>95854693Why would you want combis instead lf a TSS?
>>95854776Now we know why Redditors hate the new rules atleast.
>pyromancer has explodes 4+
chat, what do we think? this sounds funny as fuck
>>95854776I member the multiple threads long discussions about shit like if deep striking counted as moving or not, amongst other shit.
>>95854776The endless thread long arguments about Bitter Dutyโฆ
>>95854789I love the special rules psykers get with the psychic discipline they pick. The new flyer rules seem very thematic and immersive too.
>>95854776One can be precise and efficient. Some of the 2.0 rules were insufficiently precise, but they required only slight tweaks to fix (and it doesn't help that they made some calls that actually undermined their precision in cases)
the 3.0 rules could be rewritten quite easily to be equally precise with fewer words in a clearer manner.
>>95854776Well the problem is that GW themselfs often give wierdest explanation, to how their rules "actualy" work. Not defending the rules benders, but over the years I have seen enough of GW rulings, that made everyone wonder how the rules team came to the conclusion.
And if a company, with 40 years+ expiriance, knows what problems there are going to be (they never got reactive rules right, they were always either too powerful or practicaly worthless), then maybe just maybe, after those 4 decades stop adding the rules you know will cause problems to your games?
Or another one, if you know that a lot of the problems in your games come from the stat squish from using a d6, then maybe stop using a d6?
How many times do they have to botch flyers. Or try to intreduced true lines of sight in to a game of 5000pts and buckets of models per side?
>>95854805Thing was, it worked exactly how the rules said it did. The problem was people trying to interpret it in a way they thought made more sense or how it worked prior. I don't blame GW for that fiasco at all.
>>95854810the flyer rules are so immersive , especialy for a 4 turn game, that one has to wonder why would you even use an actual flyer model to represent strafing or bombing runs. at all?
>>95854817Because GW is a company that sells models, and the rules are only there so you have something to do with the models you bought
>>95854816Me either, itโs just another reason why everything is legalese in 3.0.
>>95854789It's, dare I say, kino.
>>95854689>>95854717oh, I misunderstood. You can use it with a Psycher that is NOT the target of the curse, which you can't normal use to deny
I still find it fucking retarded that the 'TARGET' of the reaction is not the unit doing the fucking reaction
And why do the call the Caster the Focus now. That's always been a different thing... Way to complicate it for no reason
>>95854785because it's thematic and i infiltrate every unit that i can at every opportunity.
>>95854817I'm sure there won't be any rules anymore that allow for reserve rolls manipulation.
>>95852250Holy shit it is
>>95854827yeah, but GW doesn't play the game. Clearly GW did want to sell primarchs and minimum 5 contemptors per player in every place around the world, but the community, as insane as it is, said no to either of those things.
Now if they also just were sane enough to go one step further and limit shoting, especialy on fast moving FW units, HH 2.0 would have been perfect system. The way the game should always be played, a large wide scale melee all across the table.
>>95854853>HH 2.0 would have been perfect systemOkay now you're just trolling
>>95854853>a large wide scale melee all across the table.So ToW?
>>95854874I was more thinking 4th ed WFB, when two based people played it without using magic casters. Like Grudge of Drong feell, but both sides are Dwarfs.
>>95854447https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOhRF86RwRI&ab_channel=StringStorm
>>95854447https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrvfHXknys4
>>95854844I'm pretty new to 30k so I'm genuinely asking what's the point of combis when they only get a single round of shooting. In old 40k editions I could see it because TSS didn't exist so you couldn't really spam special weapons otherwise but I don't see the point here.
>>95854974they give combi-meltas to stuff like teleporting terminators or to headhunters who are allowed to snipe characters hiding inside squads
If 10 terminators could have 10 meltaguns instead they would, but that's not allowed.
>>95854974Theyโre nice when youโre making a unit lunch up, not so nice you can just take the actual gun.
now that we see the v3, how bout a BFG 2.0 ?
>>95854813So the solution just boils down to add more dice? It's not like the game could be any worse with more d6's
>>95854998God know. Let that thing stay interred in the past with decency and respect rather than let the current brand of GW hooligans exhume it's corpse and parade around it's skin like a pack of apes.
>>95854974>they only get a single round of shootingIn 2.0 some combis can fire more than once and in 2e 40k and 8e onward combis work as both the special weapon and a bolter. You can fire either weapon or both with a -1 to hit penalty.
>>95854768>>95854775Iโm fine, was putting fires out at work all day yesterday and crashed when I got home. tonight is heresy night at my lgs so likey no more pics until the weekend
>>95854998spaceships dont sell enough to get shelf space. 30k space marines are close enough to 40k space marines that their sales are guaranteed even just for proxying when 30k sucks to play. And new rules editions are always worse to play than old ones so you dont want new rules.
>>95854998also, X-wing, the only spaceship game to ever be mainstream popular, died a horrible flaming death even with 100x more recognizable minis (that we pre-painted), so investors aren't hungry for tacky-looking unknown-to-average-people spaceship games as a selling point
>>95854998I like to imagine that blood drop on the back is like the Golden Gate bridge. The crew spends years polishing it (painting in case of the bridge) from one end to the other, and once they're done, they start all over again.
Drop pods are back on the menu!
Unless you want more than one to arrive per turn, it looks.
>>95854998I think without alien spaceships the spaceship game is very likely to crash and burn really fast after launch.
>>95854974>>95855032I wonder if any/how many missions are going to loosen the 1 per turn restriction
>>95855032everything about DS is fucking gay now. No scatter, 1 tiddlywink of cum spurting out each turn 1" away to apply melta, no melee DS at all because no charging for models literally described in books as charging into melee from the sky, how many deepstrikers you can bring being mission based so it's a dice roll if you're allowed to field a deepstriker army or not. And said deepstriker missions will be fucking gay as fuck to play because 1" deepstrikes with zero scatter dice - if it allows 3 per turn you just plop half your army 1" away behind his army with perfect reliability making it far more gay than 40k where they at least must be 9.1" away and can be screened out.
>>95851929 (OP)>TQNo, the rules leaks look fucking godawful.
Leakanon, leak some contentious fluff that gets people angry arguing over trivia and grammar for a couple weeks. That's always fun.
>>95855010isn't this pretty massive for NL? You are now going to debuff casting, shooting, moving as well as Ld in a game where statuses will be massive.
>>95854998Bring it. Despoiler and escorts not pictured.
>>95855110you really donโt want to see the Custodes lore page OR the IW lore page. Both got fucking mangled. iโm sure you can guess how.
>>95855010Thanks again for all your work anon. Humble request for Deflagrate rules whe you get a chance
Is it fucking over?
Is Horus Heresy fucking over?
"No wholesale changes" was bullshit, every single fucking thing is changed for the sake of it, the game looks like it's resembling 8th-10th edition 40k moreso than 1.0 and 2.0, they're clearly going to start putting the retarded 3-year edition cycle into the game.
What the fuck do I do? I got into HH to AVOID the 3 year cycle and get back to playing a variation of the 3rd-7th system. Is it fucking over?
>>95855120Were IW also women all along?
>>95855138>every single fucking thing is changedno no no
That's the best part.
They have re written everything to take 3 times more fucking space
But the actual rules are 90% the same fucking thing
>>95855120>WS4 BS5 VeteransSo the WS5 assault veterans and BS5 shooty veterans joke is real?
>>95855120>Horizontal unit profilesThe day is saved.
nope
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>>95855118>Despoiler>in HH
>>95855120Please show both those pages. I crave CHAOS!
>>95855141no, in short French got the last laugh about Phall.
>pert now only destroyed less than a quarter of the fleet>pert was actually WOUNDED by the boarding party on his flagship before he killed themI may play IF but thatโs a shit retcon.
>>95855138if you think this is what 40k looks like you're an absolute moron on valrak level
>>95855120>Combi-meltaSo big combi weapons are still 1 shot
I'm surprised they restrained themselves
>T6 SaturnineWho wants to bet Terminators are gonna be T5 this edition?
>>95855176They're in 40k, so it's not much of a bet.
>>95855168Honestly deserved
The more humiliated Perty gets in the lore the more credible his irrational autism is
>>95855021Why did X-wing die?
I assumed it was because Disney ruined the entire Star Wars IP, not anything to do with the game itself.
>>95855118based, i raise you my ramilies
>>95855120Saturnine Praetor confirms what I was thinking it was gonna be
>3W Centurions >4W Praetors and Terminator Centurions >5W Terminator Praetors >6W Saturnine Praetors
>>95855120can you please share the page with the dreadnought and the araknae gun too?
>>95855219Supposedly those ones aren't in the starter book
>>95855147>it's horus heresy, but written by chatGPT!They should put this on warcom
>>95855222wait how would you play the starter box then? isn't it meant to be playable as a standalone?
>>95855120Oooh can you show the page that has the stats of the power Maul? Looks like this.
>>95855207Actually this is one debacle I don't think we can lay at the Mouse's feet.
There's a lot going into it, but the long and short of it was: Asmodee are fucking idiots, AMG are either morons or spiteful cunts, and FFG did nothing to help the matter either.
2nd edition was necessary, but unfortunately they fumbled it in one critical way: They split the tournament playerbase into two groups: New players who only had access to new 2nd ed stuff, and the people who actually made the game financially viable and who they'd forced to spend ยฃ50 multiple times on upgrade boxes to make their 1st edition stuff 2nd edition compatible.
Now... guess which ones they made the defeault audience for all of their tournaments?
If you said "Well obviously the second one because that's just common sense" YOU WOULD BE WRONG.
Everything after that made it worse... but the main problem was that you NEVER. EVER. Split your playerbase.
>>95855246Disney probably gave them a general hit, the way all star wars merch did, but sounds like your thing would be the biggest factor by far.
>>95855010Thanks anon, good to hear the GW ninja's didn't get you.
Anon leaker, is there any mission in the rule book ?
>>95855118also, hueg fleets
>>95855168Fucking French, I wonder how much he will jack off the IF rules this time like the immature dickhead he is.
>>95855138Yes, it is completely over. Run anon, run and never look back. I'll stay here and enjoy playing 3.0 with my friends
>>95855138don't buy new rules, easy as that. Or are you a Pro tourney gamer and earn your income via 1st prices?
>>95855246It's insane how many ttgs just die because the companies behind them are fucking retarded and just spitefully and greedily ruin their own products at every opportunity with completely unnecessary changes.
>>95855120Leaker anon do you know if there is still cover saves?
>>95854789It's unbelievably based
>>95852853I just want plastic Medusan Immortals
This image is breddy kewl, is it from one of the black books?
>>95855330Dropsite massacre...
>>95855191>>95855283lol nah Iโm just kidding guys I didnโt even look at the lore part of the book. just wanted to have some fun
>>95855344How do we know you're leakanon?
Leakanon.
Please post the Custodes lore pages.
Please please please. I need to see how fucked it is.
>>95855344Based leakeranon trolling faggot iron warriors players
>>95855330That deathstorm still has rockets
Are Dark Angels and Death Guard the only option for shooty destroyer heavy armies or am I missing some?
Bitter brosโฆ
GW forgot usโฆ
>>95855372lmao, iDubbbz players cutting hazard stripes into their wrists
>>95855321Best GW can do is plastic MkIII with Breacher shields and IH helmets.
>>95855368Ultramarines, they have Nemesis Destroyers
>>95855372iron without LOL!!
>>95855367please sir any word of dreadnought or walker unit type?
>>95855372Nah, it's just lore accuracy
>why yes, I do make sure I have a thematically fitting consul to lead each extra detachment I bring, how could you tell?
Death Guard really are just the cooler Daniel of Iron warriors
>>95855382Iโll take it. Iโd be even happier about bionic limbs/heads/torsos in plastic
Desu I hope that with the split of terminators into shock assault that there actually is a Veteran Terminator unit.
Desu I hope that with the split of terminators into shock assault that there actually is a Veteran Terminator unit in Elites, I need one more elite slot to fill with two units of Gal vorbak.
>>95855367These were already posted mate
>>95855410It honestly sounds pretty fun
>>95855449That's basically terminator command squads, isn't it?
You can take 3 for 1 praetor so apparently they can now run around on their own
>>95855410Incredibly based.
>>95855479But I want a 10 man unit in an elite slot, and without a Herald. I just want something along the lines of other Legion elite Terminators but generic.
>play 3,00 points
>take an additipnal warlord detachment
>Only take a heavy transport
>Save myself an aux/logistic slot
Why wouldn't it work?
>>95855207FantasyFlightGames was churning out so many games (hit or miss) that they had to sell themselves to the french Asmodee bastards to keep running the company. And Asmodee was beholden to all these mega-banker groups, so they were entirely focused on urgently showing profit returns for bad deals like buying FFG.
X-Wing 1.0 was so popular that it outsold AOS and became the 2nd selling tabletop only behind 40k.
Xwing2 was a rewrite like HH3.0 or 40k9E/10E, so it was incompatible with the existing stuff. Xwing ships come with a model, a cardboard stand with the captain's stats, ship's HP and stuff that the ship flies on top of and it comes with a pack of p2w upgrade cards like "do a barrel roll" "mk7 ion torpedos" etc. with the idea they could keep making profits by keep selling new p2w cards. The profit margin was good because they could take a regular x-wing miniature (pre-painted grey with a red nose) and paint the nose yellow in 2 seconds and sell it as a new x-wing ("Joe Damoron's X-wing whatever") with better stats and more p2w new upgrade cards, that way they didn't need to spend millions inventing new ships to sell.
Well 2.0 instantly made your entire old card collection worthless if you switched (teaching customers NEVER to invest in the xwing game), and you could use exactly ZERO of your $500 of old starships without buying new Conversion Packages which would turn 1.0 ships into 2.0 minis (by giving new cardboard with the new ship stats and new pilot stats)
These converters cost were like $40-50 and had zero miniatures inside. It just let you use A FEW of your old ships you bought (each one could've been $20-50) in the new edition of the game. That's right, not your entire army, just a portion of your army per conversion box. I remember the Millenium Falcon has Han Solo pilot, and flip it over it has Lando Calrissian, meaning to fly 2 you needed TWO kits. Everyone worldwide just quit instead of paying hundreds of dollars on cardboard to update.
>>95854789Implying im not going ot model my Librarian now strapped with nothing but krak greandes to his chest and a turban on.
>>95855521bro just outed himself as a straight up retard
>>95855521>plebbit brainlets filteredExcellent move by James
>>95855506We'll have to see what changes they make to unit roles and compositions. They made PA command squads go up to 9, so possible terminator ones could go up in max size as well. I can't even imagine how I'm going to redo my army until I see what the army lists look like. Too many balls are up in the air.
>>95855057I think my group is just going to go back to 1.0 deepstrike and allow charges. Make voxs and such actually matter
>>95855010Any pictures of the Saturnine Praetor build instructions?
>>95855521"LITERAL DECADES"
Outted himself as a newfag, 2d6 charge has only been around since 6th ed which released 12 years ago.
>>95855521>2D6 for literally decades17 years is a long time but that doesn't mean it was good either.
>>95855506I doubt heralds are mandatory and 10 man squads would make sense if they are not going to be attached to an HQ
>>95855562Nevermind I thought it was 5th but it was 6th like the other anon said.
Did leaker anon bless us with missions?
>>958555213.0 filtering the smooth brains might unironically be the best change of them all
>>95855537>get to weekend>bust out the toys and get down to a game o heresy with the lads>Monday 6:00am game is finally complete after twenty court sessions over rules wording, force org shenanigans and challenge gushingcan't imagine why the older gentleman would have a problem with this, must be filtered.
>>95855568I expect he means the standard bearer in the squad, which was mandatory in 2.0
>>95855559what was it before? Afair it was something stupid like players were not allowed to freely measure, declare the charge and then measure if it can be done or fail.
>>95855575Zoomers don't have the attention span to read the rules. This pleases me greatly as all those subway surfing retards won't exist to shit up my game anymore.
>>95855580It was a flat 6" though there was no pre-measuring allowed in the rules.
>>95855580Nah man, it was a 6 inch charge, simple as. No rolling.
>>95855587Do zoomers even play 40k let alone the more niche GW games
>>95855521Really though why didn't they just bake the set up distance into the unit profile? Why does it have to be another chart?
>>95855521>30K players tend to be more casualWhat world does he live in
>>95855575Erm no vro itโs totally ai. Letโs just ignore how retarded people were about 2.0
>>95855594have you actually set foot in a warhammer recently store? it's like a daycare sometimes
>>95855589ah that's it. I am certain the free measuring whatever whenever came in 6th.
>>95855576>AIIIEEEEE Iโm filtered too!Lmao
>>95855594Unfortunately yes, and a lot of them like to LARP as oldheads while doing so. It's like watching an annoying chihuahua yap. Most of these zoomer (in my experience) are just young bucks who became disillusioned with modern 40k and went to 30k as refugees.
>>95855510I imagine you actually need a primarch cuz from what we have seen it doesn't even say that you can take it
>>95855605It's funny, apparently it took a new edition for HH 2.0 to become the best HH edition there ever was, kek.
>>95855606Warhammer no but my LGS has younger people playing TCGs but everyone at the wargame tables looks at least 30
>>95855519>cont.and after instantly pissing off 95% of their customers by trying to force them to pay twice for each existing unit they owned, their future had no temptation for anyone.
What new will be released? a slightly different painted x-wing. Not even a new kit, just a spraypaint of purple or yellow onto a kit you own 3 of already.
The game had basically already suffered a heart attack and was lying on the floor, then woke Disney came along and killed the popularity of Star Wars off with those fucking horrible new movies and new ship designs (just repainted x-wings and ugly uninspired shit nobody cared about) so instead of an ambulance coming and reviving the heart attack victim, basically Disney came over and gave them a flying elbow body-slam to the chest.
40k fortunately has keeps the modern audience nonsense to the very fringes where it can be ignored, rather than the central characters, and they generally avoid entirely invalidating the physical purchases of 95% of their players (so the ones they drive away get replaced by new addicts who don't know any better) They allow stuff like wahapedia to exist so that the cost of worthless physical books and worthless physical cards doesn't drive everyone to quit 40k, the people who would quit just print the rules for free - while GW gets rich on the suckers who pay.
GW basically understands that it has a golden goose, and only squeezes the garden hose just enough to extract golden eggs without killing the goose off. Asmodee was a conglomerate of 200+ properties, so they didn't particularly understand how much value each individual game they owned had or how to restrain themselves from killing them. For a conglomerate that has 30 card games or 60 board games, they might not think it's bad if one game dies, they assume that means extra profits because those players will just switch to their 2nd or 3rd card game for new sales. But customers just pulled out a scrabble/catan board and didn't buy new FFG at all
>>95855521Just because the rules explain shit in steps doesn't mean you have to stop for every one of them. The rules also explain attacks one dice at a time and you fastroll 99% of the time. As aleays once you understand the rules it's very simple and easy to remember and these overly wordy explanations only exist to cover all cases against cheaters.
>>95855587My favourite thing is watching retards complain about rules they haven't even tried reading being too complicated but then they'll eat up stratagems.
>>95855596>Really though why didn't they just bake the set up distance into the unit profile?Because it's based off the current value of the model's Init and Movement. So you can have situations where both are altered, thus changing the setup distance.
You could theoretically bake this into stuff which alters I and M, by having those alter set-up as well, but that would make the edition even more needlessly wordy.
>>95855589I think that's how it worked in WHFB too (and nuKill Team) which always seemed better than rolling to me.
>Centurions have Move 7 and Initiative 5
>Giving them a 4" Set Up move, higher than a standard marine
>GW has made it beneficial to have your commanders leading the charge
Uh, based?
>>95855576The wording is like that so you don't need court sessions. It's imposible to misinterpret.
>>95855627Makes sense cards are a lot cheaper (if you don't go extreme autism) and don't require assembly or painting.
>>95855665Can you stack Shred, anon?
>>95855120Leakerchad could you please post night fighting rules
>>95855668What do you mean stack? Give me context.
>>95855668Stack it with what? How do you already know there are ways to give the same model the Shred special rule multiple times?
>>95851929 (OP)Hey /hhg/ am i based or cringe for this idea
I would love a specialist game of HH with the theme being like famous battles either dropsite, calth, ect ect where it plays more like Killteam. Where it can be played with 2-4 people, each player gets to control a single character and you fight off regular space marine mooks, like tacticals and shit. So it plays kinda more like silver tower but in 30k.
>>95855656In WFB its the 2x movement charactistic of the unit and happens in the movement phase.
>>95855687Cringe boardgame shit.
>>95855668Usually things like that have a big rule at the beginning of the core rules that say "all abilities with the same name don't stack". Both 40k and AoS are currently like this.
>>95855690I meant having a static charge distance, but yeah.
>>95855682ammo belt with alternating Shred(1), Shred(2), Shred(3), Shred(4), Shred(5), Shred(6) bullets. Twin barrel weapon with inversely filled belts.
And on each 6 the bullet bursts into d6 exploding pieces of Shred(1d6) each. Which multiplies with the original explosion. There will be 8 pages of text about it, wait for it.
>>95855687pretty cringe. Herohammer doesn't fit 30k no matter how many cringe donut steels BL makes into models.
>>95855594it's a two-fold problem. GW prices / store-support are so bad they prevent the game from appealing to customers, while online stores use markets of scale to sell product cheaper, a wider range of product and conveniently, without having to pay for AC costs and building costs with property taxes and all that stuff. If the local store which has like 50% margin on a GW box gives the 15% discount, the store goes broke and quits GW since they still aren't some monumentally better-than-online draw for new customers. If they charge 100% price, their margin is just Okay but nothing moves from the shelf for years because it's so overpriced by GW and cheaper online then (and this means very few players - so paying for a huge pile of unused tables with unused terrain and wasted air conditioning is unprofitable) These small shops are often given like 2 copies of a FOMO preorder 10-30 people want, so it kills their ability to generate happy customers, as people simply aren't allowed to start the new army they want.
Then zoomers have the highest unemployment rate in history overall (if you remove false economic numbers like giving sub-minimum-wage jobs like "caring for your sick boomer parents you live with" to zoomer kids with zero medical knowledge to pretend unemployment is low, or the government accidentally lying about 500,000 jobs and having to "correct the number") so it's not like they have disposable income - while GW product is expensive. This leads to a larger amount of GW sales being the nostalgic 30-50 year olds just having stuff mailed to their house and never taken to any store (70-80% surveyed said they'd never even played with their miniatures) And this further means local stores stop selling GW product (every store in my area quit GW. Before I could drive 5min now I'd need to drive 45min to reach a FLGS doing GW instead of magic the gathering cards)
Books and video games are the only thing keeping 40k getting new customers and from extinction atm
>>95855678If you have Shred(6) from 2 different sources, does a 6 to wound give you +2 Damage?
>>95855682>>95855709Multiple other rules have a part saying they don't stack specifically. Shred doesn't
>>95855690To be fair, at least in early WHFB, you couldn't measure before declaring a charge, so you have to guestimate if you could reach the target (felt nice playing Slaanesh daemons with M10 on everything but basic daemonettes). When you could start measuring, they introduced rolling to make it less surefire.
>>95855736How are you getting shred from multiple sources my dude?
>>95855709>the edition that repeats the cost of reactions, casting process and status tests for every scenario will have one big rule at the beginning saying something as general as 'all abilities with the same name don't stack' once
>>95855687every time in history GW has made a board game where you just have like 2-4 characters it has been trash.
If 2-4 miniature games exploded in popularity, that would be $30 competition for their $1000 army game which is their bread-and-butter golden goose.
So GW just allows these small board games to be created with tiny budgets and no real effort, knowing they are doomed to fail, hoping to make them just bad enough that someone buys one in Target / Barnes & Noble and then says "putting those minis together was kinda fun, and everyone tells me this game sucks worse than AOS/40k I should buy the REAL game now"
GW pushes spearhead games because once they have you buying 20-40 things you're essentially in the push-hordes-together hobby and probably gonna end up tempted to "complete your army" which wouldn't be a thing for a board game with 1 space marine, 1 guardsman, 1 eldar ranger and 1 psyker-officer.
If you want to invent a game with 3-4 troopers, your best bet is just proxying them into a skirmish game made by another company. Something like InfinityRPG or whatever, just with rules tweaked for space marines.
>>95855760Knowing GW, from giving RG rules that do the same thing as a basic chainsword
>>95855765it probably will, because that will be the most grimdark of all options.
"We've just demonstrated that we have the ability to not repeat ourselves 2000 times for no reason, we've just chosen to do it anyway because Fuck All Of You! You already bought this box we got your money!"
What people don't understand is GW hired a method actor to get in the skin of an Adepta Imperiatus Bureaocrat when writing this rulebook. It is made by the kind of person who would send food shipments 60 years late to a colony because of paperwork.
>>95855283Anon, you know John French hasn't written the game since the black books? I think Inferno was his last contribution.
>>95855665>it's impossible to misinterpretdoes Critical Hit affect vehicles or not? Cite sources in the text.
>>95855794See one version of it i have laways wanted them to make and i felt like it was easy fucking money too, was a vermin tide board game.
I mean how fucking easy of a sell would that one be.
You know, I don't hate it.
It's just a concept mockup, but I think a Baneblade sponson turret on the Rhino cupola looks cute. Should make a fun heavy stubber Aurox. Provided those things survive to 3.0. Otherwise it'll be a heavy bolter Rhino.
>>95855854NTA, but reading the text, it doesn't auto-wound, but there's no reason the increased damage wouldn't apply after the pen test.
>>95855859anon, swap that with a HB and it would make a great rhino with a pintel HB option IMO.
>>95855856the minis for vermintide would be doable. The problem is for to even give a vague vermintide experience would require $300 worth of GW terrain, while a normie box like that for video gamers has to sell for like $50 max.
They could do flat cardboard graphic terrain, but that will not make the hobby look stylish and impressive.
>>95855854Itโll depend on if you โwoundโ vehiclesโ
>>95855868No, I like the water-jacket.
>>95855889reminds me of the Immolator: water today, prometheum the next. Crispy, crispy heretics.
>>95855883you don't. That doesn't stop them from specifying that it doesn't work on vehicle penetration in other rules tho
>>95855889I wish maxima bolters weren't so bad its unbelievable.
>>95854998Are those from battlefleet galaxy? I was fiddling around with their grand cruiser builder to make the red talon, are they good?
>>95855859Iโm gonna steal this.
>>95855907neither of the two sections address the question concretely (we have the whole pages). They have a definition for what a Penetrating Hit is, and that the hull points are removed during a Penetrating hit "decided by the characteristic of the weapon used to inflict the Penetrating hit"
That does not in itself answer if a hit can be both a Critical Hit and a Penetrating Hit or if Penetrating Hit is an entirely different category of hit that can't be a critical hit. Nor if attack characteristic modifiers which are not specifically changing the weapon itself apply to Penetrating Hits.
It's down to interpretation whether a BS6 model with a bolter automatically takes a hull point off a tank on a 6+ for being such a good shot or if it gives a glance/pen or does nothing. And if he shoots a S8 rocket into the tank if it does nothing extra or gives +1 extra damage on rolling a 6.
It's annoying that there's 10,000 pages of useless words like repeating "check the value that is on the topmost face of the dice roll and if those are doubles then you failed perils" and the book is full of gaps on other things like how special rules function in meaningful ways. And whether crits murder vehicles or do nothing to vehicles at all is big enough you're gonna have to carry a 10lb book AND a FAQ to every game.
>>95855938If they retain assault they'll be much better now
>>95855265Honestly, it didn't X-Wing that badly because most of the the EU stuff was already in the game already by the time Disney threw it out.
The one that got really hit by that was Armada, which suddenly found itself without access to things like Empire at War and SW: Rebellion and the books to draw upon and had nothing new to replace it with. They were literally the only people watching Star Wars Rebels in the hope that Filoni would recanonize something for them. (This is how we got Thrawn, the Interdictor and the Quasar Fire back in.)
>>95855313What you have to remember is, that most people running these companies are neither professional or overly intelligent. If they were, they wouldn't be doing this as a job. They'd know better. So it leads to lots of situations where people let their ego's make decisions that should be business decisions. And the few who do realise they need an intelligent professional to watch the money side of things, so often hire conmen and grifters who embezzle millions from them and dissappear into the night. Sometimes these two people turn out to be one and the same for even more disaster.
>>95855854It can't affect vehicles because there's no wound roll against them.
>>95856020nta but Critical Hits don't roll to wound. They go off in the Hit roll
>>95856035But you donโt โwoundโ a vehicle, you roll for Armor Penetrstion. So thereโs no โwoundโ to auto-wound with.
>>95855732In my area we got pretty lucky because the situation stabilised in a pretty cool setup. Despite every LGS closing or only doing cards all the miniature players consolidated into a very big club with a huge structure. We have an online store with an agreement with the club so that they deliver directly there at zero cost the gaming nights, and the club has around 300 people with multiple gaming systems and 2 regular days a week there is a gaming night that on average does 100 people, with AoS and 40k doing 30 each and everything else being a mix of minor systems. The club meanwhile sustain itself with a pub and a yearly fee.
>>95856048you still roll to hit, which is mandatory, and if it's a Critical Hit because you rolled a 6 on a high BS guy, it defines a Critical Hit as automatically inflicts a wound without any Dice being rolled, counting as a 6 for abilities, AND increases the Damage Characteristic of the Hit by +1.
But does the ,AND get invalidated if the first half of the sentence is impossible because you can't automatically inflict a wound on a vehicle? We can't say for sure RAW or RAI. It's unclear just how much is badly written or intended to go one way or the other way.
>>95856048Tell that to Shred, that specifically has to tell you that
>>95854319
>>95856035You can't automatically wound something when you don't wound it innthe first place anon. The attack sequence against a vehicle doesn't have the step that makes critical hit work so it can't apply. It's like armourbane, it doesn't work against infantry because you can't make a glancikg hit against them.
>>95855992Always just go with the simplest interpirtation of the rules. It says to use the weapons status and critical modifies those stats so you use the status after all modifiers have been applied like normal.
>>95856080Critical Hit the special rule is in the Hit Phase, and the Hit Phase still applies to vehicles. And the vehicle rules for Penetrating Hit system say the damage of the penetrating hit "which is decided by the Characteristics of the Weapon used to inflict the Penetrating Hit in the same manner as wounds"
It's definitely possible to argue that since the Critical Hit in Hit Phase was triggered, that the characteristics of the weapon are +1 damage, which likely applies to the penetrating hit.
The auto-wounding part is very unlikely to apply, that's not an easy RAW argument. It's the damage one that is perfectly possible either interpretation.
>>95856048>>95856080Doesn't matter, critical hits only check on the hit roll, what happens after it doesn't matter, you won't get an auto wound since you can't actually wound and that won't translate to a pen, but you did still roll a critical, as such you get any other benefits that come with one.
>>95856059Seems there's a club like that here but it's an hour drive away, and existence of said club probably contributes to all other FLGS going out of business (as people just play at said club instead and buy online).
When I was in college I'd have just gone to that, but as an adult with a needy old dog with cancer who isn't cheerful if I disappear for 8 hours to play with toy soldiers, the club is just too far for me. The game just takes too many hours to set up to play and then play out and pack up to also have a long commute too.
>>95855160Oh, it's a battle barge. Problem solved.
>a singular dreadnought uses one whole detachment
Assuming dreadnoughts have a similar power to 2.0 dreadnoughts, will this balance them?
>>95856113>>95856149If we're talking damage then sure, it applies RAW. I suppose that's why shred specifically says it doesn't.
>>95854827They said that during 6th-7th 40k and nearly tanked themselves, so now they use streamers as beta testers.
>>95856164It does severy limit the amount you can bring without nerfing the unit itself. Pretty good if you ask me. Keeps them viable but inefficient to spam.
I wonder if the standalone release of the Saturnine Termies (and the dread i suppose) includes a third sprue with more weapon options, like the Contemptor Dread received. Or, perhaps a more limited weapon selection is intended to be one of the drawbacks of Saturnines relative to other termies.
>>95856164I think they'll get balanced by multiple damage weapons more than anything.
The army building section gives you a lot of flexibility. You can still absolutely spam the shit out of dreads if you want to, without even knowing if FotA is still a thing.
>>95856171Yeah, tbf you don't really need criticals against tanks anyway with rules like AB and Melta so you can just RAI it.
>>95856164you;ve kind of just traded dreadnoughts competing for the elite slots in 2.0 to heavy support detachments competing for auxiliary detachment slots so like with everything else in 3.0 it is a sidestep only.
>>95856185GW has a habit of releasing the same kit 2-4x with slightly different weapon sprues included. If they released all options on day 1, someone buys 2x or 3x then never again.
If they release new Chaos Knight Arms 1 year later, then some idiot who bought 3 old knights might potentially buy 3 new knights to get ones with the new weapons.
If the bad new edition doesn't hurt sales of the game and result in a Dominion shelves situation, then they'll probably eventually do a saturnine termies 2nd box with different guns. But they might not invest in a $50,000 mold until they know if saturnine sales will be amazing or mediocre.
It's pretty clear GW sometimes has a design made but doesn't actually create the mold and release for years later sometimes. Like some of the new kits showed ImpFists vs Sons of Horus color-schemes despite HH3.0 featuring Salamanders vs Iron Warriors
>>95856163Battle barge is just a label slapped onto existing vessels. Only vessel of the Despoiler type during HH was the Terminus Est. Thousands of years later the Imperium found its schematics and created the Despoiler Class (M36, I believe) before they turned traitor. It be a cursed ship, I tells ye!
>>95855521It's not like it's that hard but fucking hell, did they really need those changes to the assault phase?
You run the numbers and it looks like 95% of the time you are getting the exact same charge result as you did before
But they threw in a whole shooting phase in there for whatever reason
An if you fail the charge you become retarded
You are still essentially doing the 'surge move' with the step up
You are still getting a charge bonus bc the I+M table is effectively the same +2" to jump pack infantry
The average roll is still basically a 2d6, just less 12s and 2s.
If they wanted to shoehorn in an extra turn of both units shooting at each other they could have done it without having to rewrite all this shit...
>>95855120ayo, you are a legend!
if you are still willing to leak some things, here are some suggestions from my playgroup:
close combat to hit/to wound tables
detachment rules
warlord traits
missions
thank you for your service
>>95856245>close combat to hit/to wound tablesnta but same as in 2.0
he said he won't be here today tho
>>95856241>entire shooting phase that's entirely restricted to Assault WeaponsSo let me get this straight, Pistols, the most easy to fire one-handed lightweight weapon, aren't allowed to shoot during volley fire?!
I thought the whole point was to not have melee units just never firing their guns at all...
>>95856259yeah, i've seen it but maybe..
some folks even proposed to pool money for a proper book scan, people are desperate
>>95856271Correct anon, Pistols can indeed not be used during Volley Fire.
>>95856271I'm pretty sure Pistols ARE assault weapons now
>>95855940soul forge studio, they're pretty gud
>>95856271Assault isn't a weapon type anymore, it's a special rule. Most pistols have the assault special rule.
>>95854722It looks like something I would throw together if I knew jack shit about cooking
>>95856341it's the depression meal a freshly divorced middle aged man makes for himself
>>95856271Heresy players are never beating the allegations
What's the lieutenant equivalent in-game if captains are centurions and praetors are lord commanders?
>>95856291>Pistols ARE assault weapons>t.
>>95856375Optae.
But more accurately, centurion probably covered both.
>>95856359of being dumb cocksuckers who freak out when someone doesn't know the stats of some particular item in an UNRELEASED EDITION OF THE GAME?
Yes, you've proved you're a massive gaylord who will never get a girlfriend.
>>95856375Whatever that junior Centurion oppai consul was, so effectively Centurion by stats.
>>95856391why would you assert you can't volley fire with a pistol then if you don't know the stats of pistols in an unreleased game?
>>95856391of being wrong about game mechanics we know from the GW site itself and have talked to death for the past 2 days, you illiterate queer
>140 points for 10 Tactical marines w/ rhino + dozer blade
Or
>140 points for 14 tactical marines
Which would you prefer take in your list?
>>9585643712 marines and half of a rhino.
The traitors were big jerks
Did marines use purity seals back in 30k?
>>95856498No but a few used oaths of moment.
>>95856498Not purity seals, but Oaths of the Moment which were the exact same thing visually. Just parchment with a personal objective for a campaign/mission written on it, then affixed to their armour with wax
>try to figure out how to fit my 2.0 army in the new 3.0 detachments, need to buy more centurions just to run my same army
>lose all interest in the 3.0 starter box because I don't want to deal with the headache of trying to fit them in my current army detachments
Anyone getting this feeling?
>>95856519I lost interest in the starter box because literally nothing in it interests me, and 3.0 overall due to a mix of the massively bloated challenge phase and Deep Strike being fucked.
But Force Org doesn't help.
>>95856498Short answer, no
Long answer, yes. A lot of original FW HH model were made for 40k so they had purity seal sculpted into them. So they made the cope out that those are actually a totally different thing that just looks exactly the same. But in general they are not included in plastic kits or more modern stuff so it's seen more as a 40k thing than anything
>>95856519We still don't know how the battlefield roles and unit compositions will be, so it's too early to say anything beyond a cursory idea. I'm more worried that there won't be enough Command slots to fit all my HQs I've whipped up over the years. And depending on how SA gets changed. Maybe I can finally finally have that Enginseer unit back (been larping as a Storm section this edition)?
>>95856551Horus Rising came 6 years before FW's HH books and it already had oaths of moment. Why write this blatantly false stuff.
>>95856519>need to buy more centurions just to run my same army>This blinged out veteran sargeant? He's a Centurion btw.>I'm Alpha Legion, my Centurions are disguised as tacticals.
>>95856519Sorry senpai no. I look forward to the new box and planning a army of world eaters because I like punching people in the throat. Dark Angels is the other option because they look good in mk2 and I like femboys.
>>95856519I think this is an overly doomer line of thinking. No need to pick up the starter box, just grab a rulebook down the line.
But like
>>95856572 said, just use fancy sgt's as centurions. Or Legion Optae's, if they keep them in 3rd.
>>95856498>>95856505You can handwave it as a record of some heroic deed.
Besides titans used purity seals
>>95856519You don't need a starter set if you already have a full army...
If you don't like the models in it, don't buy it
I will field five Moritats with no squads and double disintgrator pistols.
>>95856622Titan purity seals came after HH, though. Shame. One thing missing on titans are giant purity seals.
>>95851929 (OP)><slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>tukkWDhQWhat's the key? I wanna look at the LI rules.
>>95856645Titanicus mentioned them as being blessings to keep things functional. Usually guns.
>>95855660>range of 6>range of 3>range of 2>range of 2>range of 6>range infinityWhat the FUCK is this curve??????
>>95855120Any idea why the Saturnine Praetor has lower strength compared to the Saturnine Terminator?
>>95856650sorry anon but the last one just got deleted after someone asked that last thread
>>95856660What's the point of a repository if you can't use it then T-T
>>95856657>range infinityWhere?
>>95851963 I literally cannot figure out what the fuck this is trying to say? Is "strike groups" what they're calling wound pools now?
>>95856665>>95856650Nevermind I found the pdf somewhere else. Keep it safe.
>>95856675anon you dumbass that is your Initiative + Movement characteristic. The RIGHT side of the chart is the distance of your set-up move.
>>95856675How is 6 inched "infinity"?
>>95856690>>95856691Guys I'm talking about the range of numbers you retards, why is it 6 then 3 then 2 then 2 then 6, what is the fucking formula, you absolute math-illiterate turds
>>95856657Are you having a stroke?
>>95856633Disintegrators dropping to AP3 is a huge hit in terms of their ability to crack heavy armor (the entire reason they used to exist) but it does mean putting them on 2+ models is going to make extremely effective power armor killers that can basically ignore gets hot on it
Custodes Disintegrators, if they donโt get AP2, might be appetizing choices, but moritats shitting out a dozen kills onto tacs will be incredible to watch
What does gaining the advantage in the glory step mean? I thought the glory step meant the duel ended, and gaining the advantage meant you Strike first.
I get to strike first after the duel ended (there's no longer any duel to strike in)?
>>95856717See the post directly above yours and stop being a third-worlder IQ fucking tard
>>95856690>>95856691What Anon means, but is explaining poorly, is "Range" refers to how many values are covered in each section.
1-6 is 6 values, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
10-11 is 2 values, 10, 11
20+ is, in theory, infinity values, but practically probably caps out at ~10 or so.
>>95856715Its called granularity and game design.
In no way having a linear scale would be better for the game.
You only finished high school, don't talk about math.
>>95856739Thank you for having a brain
>>95856746>In no way having a linear scale would be better for the game.Actually yes having an intuitive easy to remember scale with a logical curve is easier for players, having all the numbers feel completely fucking arbitrary and at the fiat of some designer throwing darts at a dartboard is not good design.
>>95854289Your contracts are fucked then, No contract I ever read was this needlessly verbose
>>95856657Cuz it's basically down to whether you are a marine unit, if you have a jumppack and if you have a IC with +1I attached or you are getting it from some other place, like the WS legion trait.
MEQs, even terminators get 10-11.
If they have an I5 IC they get 12-13
But jump packs they get and bikes would get much more if the progression went the same so then it turns into 14-19
If you are a primarch with a bike or jump pack then you get to enjoy the 6"
>>95856764>get a linear scale>Huge buff to fast units>Huge buff to units that where supposed to be slow and kept withing slower bracket.Better for an autistic looking at a scale, a whole lot worse for the game as a whole.
>>95856657To answer the question, it's probably modelled off a bell curve somewhat, with the 20+ being open ended for completion.
>>95856715oh right, sorry for calling you a dumbass, ive been explaining to my gaming group that you cannot take multiple Logistical benefits in the same detachment the entire day.
Its probably just the best ranges of values to infer better bonuses for just a couple increases in stats, so your cataphracti are getting a smaller set-up move than your tacs, and your faster units are getting a larger set-up move than a linear scale would provide
>>95856726Yes I understood that, but how retarded are you to fail to understand that the most granularity is needed in the middle ranges of the movement+initiative values, not the extremes which will occur incredibly rarely.
>another case of autistic anon having a meltdown when the numbers aren't in a neat order and expecting everyone to be equally upset about the same thing
Many such cases. Sad.
>>95856790>ive been explaining to my gaming group that you cannot take multiple Logistical benefits in the same detachment the entire day.T-this is gonna be a great edition guys...
>>95856817>>95856787Sometimes elegance is legitimately more important.
>>95856725Fucking hell the rampant in-sentence capitalisation adds to the reading comprehension debuff
This edition is the best advertisement Warlord Games could ask for. Jesus holy Christ James fucked this up more than 10th edition 40k which I didn't think was possible.
>>95856725I think it might be broken? I think the idea is that you plan to survive one round of combat, then automatically gain advantage so you can be the one to choose whether to continue the fight or back off, but the timing is wrong, and as far as I can tell having advantage in the glory step has no benefit.
>>95856842Yeah why did they take it so fucking far, holy shit.
>>95856786This basically translates 1:1 to what we had before but they had to rewrite the whole thing and throw in some math just to fuck with us
>>95856837Sacrificing game balance just too appease some random terminally autistic fuck on the internet is the worst game design possible.
>>95856790>oh right, sorry for calling you a dumbass, ive been explaining to my gaming group that you cannot take multiple Logistical benefits in the same detachment the entire day.If you have multiple Prime Units, why can't you?
>>95856845Nah, it's not remotely as bad as 10th, because at least it has soulful rules and depth, despite a few glaring flaws and the fact that the wording of the rules is the most godawful thing GW has ever put to print in terms of readability.
At the end of the day actually playing HH3.0 will still be a lot more fun than 10th 40k could ever be.
>>95855736theyโll probably have a paragraph at the beginning of the USR section that says whether rules stack by default.
>>95856859Logistical Benefit explicitly states it's one per detachment
>>95856854This isn't a question of balance, you don't even know what that term means and you don't understand game design.
>>95856859anon don't be pulling my fucking leg
>>95855854No, there is no wound test when attacking vehicles.
>>95856725Why the fuck did they change the Caster of a psychic power to be called the Focus, if they are also going to make up something completely different for Challenges that is also called Focus?
Are they retarded?
>>95856837And sometimes it'll be the death of you.
>>95856873True. Why did they need to change so many terms to begin with? I really do fucking think they used AI for this.
>>95856869Says the guy upset about numbers not being linear enough, ignoring all context. Top kek.
>>95856883>has no concept of structural aesthetics or elegance and its importance in player psychology which is the largest factor in game designYou're a midwit who doesn't even know he's a midwit. Congratulations.
>>95856868Good enough for me. I don't have all the assorted images on me.
>>95856870It was a legit question. If there's a simple answer, you can give it. New edition, new rules, we're not all masters of everything.
>>95856888>its importance in player psychology which is the largest factor in game designAnon, we already knew you had terminal autism. Newsflash: most people don't give a fuck about the numbers and how they are arranged. They only care about the end result they produce.
>>95856890last sentence of the logistical benefit specifically states it can only be taken once per detachment
>>95856902I have years worth of professional studies that disagree with you, midwit.
>>95856842>>95856848I'm not sure what the big deal is. They only Capitalize the important words that refer to Defined Terms or other important Game Terminology. This means that any word that starts with a Capital Letter is an important Term that has a specific Definition with the Game. When writing rules for this Game it is important to be clear about Terms that may need Readily Understandable Definitions. Would you have preferred Bold or Italicized words instead? In the case of Bold I am referring to text with Thick and Heavy lines and in the case of Italicized I refer to a style of Printing in which the Letters usually Slope to the right.
>>95856888>anon designs a 2D6 table>each result is treated as equal>even though statistically some results are more likely than others
>>95856873Come on, did you get confused between the initiative stat and seizing the initiative too?
>>95856923That's not what's going on here dumbass.
>>95856910Sure you do buddy. Sure you do.
>>95856909Like I said, good enough for me.
>>95856919God it's almost too painful to be funny even as a satire.
How do these GW hacks not understand that if you capitalize almost every term in the game then it no longer has any power for emphasis since it's diluted to shit?
>>95856910This is the kind of shit that someone who doesnโt play games but deeply cares about game reviews says.
What's the benefit of using the heavy version of a weapon that's already availiable to a tss?
>>95856929Nothing is going on here except you gimping out over nothing.
>>95856240Nah mate, it's a handwavium class battle barge
>>95856959Depends on the weapon, but usually more shots, more range, more Str.
>>95856926I sure as fuck had to look twice when they introduced a new Stat called IN that for some fucking reason is not Initiative but Intelligence.
The stat that every fucking game ever made has always referred to as INT
>>95854194>meanwhile, back when 40k rules writers were good
>>95856959Heavy weapons don't have a hit penalty now so expect them to be broken as shit
>>95856959Lower cost, longer range, higher strength
TSS are totally worthless compared to HSS for the time being anyways
>>95856981>may re-roll the dice for how far they moveBut do they mean the specific die that you throw for the unit that is using this benefit in this moment?
What face of the Die am I looking at? The top one??
What is the side face is the better result, can I use that instead???????
SO MANY QUESTIONS
>>95857005>Lower costI will personally go insult their mother if they are still doing the retardation of having HSS be cheaper than TSS
>>95856981How does this interact with rules that let you roll two dice and pick the highest? Which die do you re-roll?
>>95857034It just says dice so you re-roll all of them.
>>95856822>I get to flex my mental superiority on actual factual retards on demand for at least the next 3 yearsHell yeah it is
>>95857034>How does this interact with rules that let you roll two dice and pick the highest?Like Difficult Terrain? Surely you notice it says "dice" as in the plural of a die.
>>95857043Yeah because playing babysitter with retards who will argue stupid shit that is clearly wrong sure is fun, ha, aha
>>95857063It unironically is
>>95857043>>95857068No one is going to play this fucked up game with you, you stupid faggot.
>>95856822surely New Recruit will be updated day 1 and they won't have to put any thought into detachment building
>>95856848>>95856842>>95856919>>95856938Ffs is this what schizophrenia feels like? Is 3.0 the definitive schizo edition?
>>95857063Picking up the rulebook, leafing to the right page and pointing to the exact rule that says they are wrong is some of the most fun moments I've had.
The rule about units not being allowed to charge a unit they can't see has been the most common one this edition, lots of 40k refugees and tourists that just assumed charges work the same in HH and get assmad when that brilliant charge they thought they set up is not legal.
Pros and cons so far? Mine are
Pros
>FOC
>Officer Characters matter
>Psychic Powers
>Primarchs 3k+ now
Cons
>Deepstrike
>Disintegrators temu plasma
>Vehicle crew are downright terrified of weapons that don't penetrate their armor
>No rerolls, everything is a modifier now
>Duel Phase is all hot air and it doesn't matter what you pick if you just die going second
>No RoWs, just reorganized FOC
I'm really curious about missions and night fighting.
>>95857111We don't know how ROW work yet, haven't seen the Libers.
And no more re-rolls is one of the pros in my book.
Letโs make it easy for ScanBro when he comes back, can we compile a list of things we want to see?
>>95856981Rewritten in the parlance of 3.0:
>If a Grot Unit is wholly or partially within an area of Difficult Terrain at the start of the Movement Phase, then any Ork Unit that subsequently enters or attempts to move through the same area of Difficult Terrain during that Movement Phase may, after rolling to determine the distance that Unit may move through the Difficult Terrain as per the standard rules for movement through such terrain, re-roll any or all of the dice used in that roll. The result of the second roll must be used, and may not itself be re-rolled by any further rules or abilities unless explicitly stated otherwise. This rule may only be applied if the Grot Unit remains in play and maintains its position wholly or partially within the same area of Difficult Terrain at the time the re-roll is declared.>An Ork Unit is only eligible to benefit from this rule if it begins its movement outside of the Difficult Terrain and is required to make a movement distance roll in accordance with the standard rules for Difficult Terrain. Units composed entirely of Models equipped with Mega Armour may not benefit from this rule under any circumstances, regardless of the presence, status, or position of any Grot Unit. This restriction applies even if the Grot Unit itself would otherwise fulfill all conditions described above.
>>95856980>The stat that every fucking game ever made has always referred to as INTExcept 40k and Necromunda.
>>95857140Sorry but you forgot to state that the result of the dice you rolled, not a separate dice, is determined by the top face of the dice that you have rolled
>>95857136How units with mixed saves work
>>95857061But it says difficult ground not terrain, which dice can we roll because there is no difficult ground rule in 3rd?
I need specifics!
>>95857152Wrong, it's Int in Rogue Trader
>>95857184I guess they didn't want it to be the single only stat with 3 letters.
>>95857111The new FOC looks pretty good and I think it's great you don't have to fight for heavy support or elite slots and that stock centurions actually have a use
I think everything else is pissing me off
They changed weapons to have a D characteristic and instead of using that to rebalance them and create more options they go and change all the fucking basic rules for no reason
Wtf do you mean Shred gives +1D now? What is the fucking use of that? Unless the weapons that have shred have completely changed because it sure as fuck isn't useful on a chainsword
I hate Hatred being +1 to Wound. Wounding on 2s is fucking easy. Hitting better than a 4+ is fucking hard. Why would they nerf that so much while also removing reroll to wound on Shred?
These people don't play their own game, do they?
The way all the rules are written is fucking retarded.
Psychic power are fine themselves but holy shit are they hard to read through
>>95857178You laugh but retards saying shit like that unironically is why they write rules like today's.
>>95857200You're supposed to just tell those retards to go fuck themselves, not pander to their insane pathological issues.
>>95857197There's barely any re-rolls in the game which I think is good though.
Warhammer players ruined warhammer.
>>95857224There is currently barely any rerolls to begin with
But that's not the point. Hatred helps you hit better. Shred helps you wound better. If they had changed that for +1 to hit and +1 to wound it'd be a bit of a nerf but still the same thing
Instead they change it for rules that do something completely different. And they are either on different sources/weapons, so it's change for the sake of change when they could have made a different rule. Or it's the same weapons and its' useless bc you are not using chainswords to kill 2W models...
>>95857178>>95857200You both laugh but half the time GW provides specifics they'd say difficult ground and difficult terrain are in fact different.
>>95857200Also why boards are just flat Ls.
>ages ago, playing a Mordheim campaign>two of the players have really strong warbands>want to see them fight each other>organize a battle, no effect on the warbands, but the winner gets a trinket>one player charges over a terrain feature which is effectively a puddle of mud>what ensues is a multi-hour argument over whether or not it constitutes as difficult terrain or not>everyone else:
>>95857254And other half they use "furious charge" and "furious assault" interchangeably. Or write rules like 4e Rapid Fire and 3e Monolith, which are a wet dream for RAW fags.
>>95857257There's literally rules in GW systems for this.
>terrain should be clearly defined before the game begins>if something comes up midgame and you can't agree with your opponent roll-off and the winner decides
>>95857111I feel overwhelmed with the changes. Especially Duelling. I'm sorta glad sergeants are free from that fucking hell, because the average Centurion would need an avg of FIFTEEN power fist attacks to kill a Praetor, while a Praetor would need about five. Which he has.
2.0 WS chart is that fucked up, and Instant Death was the equalizer that allowed the small to threaten the big, and that is gone too
>No rerolls, everything is a modifier nowLike what?
>Vehicle crew are downright terrified of weapons that don't penetrate their armorIsn't it weird that Lascannons will now only do Penetrations, and thus cant ever cause Status on vehicles? I think Pens should be Status + HP loss. What do you think?
Rip Deepstrike, and RIP disintegrators too
>>95857315>because the average Centurion would need an avg of FIFTEEN power fist attacks to kill a Praetor1, actually. Power fists usually instant death a praetor.
>>95857265>terrain should be clearly defined before the game beginsWhen your table is packed with crap to make it look cool, there's not time to go over every piece. Especially on small things both players probably have their minds made up and assume the other one things the way they do. Again, it was some tiny piece of plastic, think from some small scale historical kit meant to be like a scenic base for a tank. It was nothing, but at the same time it was something, why else would it be there?
>if something comes up midgame and you can't agree with your opponent roll-off and the winner decidesWhat are the rules for determining when an agreement cannot be met? There's no accounting for unlimited autism. Well, unlimited autism on one side and super strong urge to win on the other.
>>95856725A basic centurion with only a powerfist, paragon advantage, and finishing blow will kill the tankiest (saturnine) praetor in two turns of melee, compared to that praetor taking three turns to kill them back
I genuinely donโt see any reason to use anything other than seize, finishing blow, or grandstand, *maybe* guard if youโre evenly matched
The duel stuff is cool but ultimately pointless since it will boil down to an obvious winner winning obviously or two equals desperately trying to go first
>>95857315>Like what?Both Hatred And Shred are not longer reroll
>>95857331ID is not a rule anymore. A power fist does 2 damage
>>95857315>wearing a coof maskIs he afraid of contracting Nurgle's Rot?
>>95857111Yeah the Dueling phase seems fucking stupid and will almost always boil down to, who gets to go first.
I can see right now that a monster of a duelist for a lot of people is probably going to be a Librarian with divination and any sort of weapon that is base AP2.
My buddy and I have already tossed the idea around of just ignoring the entire duel phase of the game for events. Shit is gonna take WAY to much time.
>>95857315I think people are discounting how relatively rare glances are compared to any other result. Failure is any result under the AV, Pen is any result above the AV, glance is exactly the AV on a D6+X roll. With AV10 and an S6 gun, you're failing 1/2 the time, penning 1/3 of the time, and glancing 1/6 of the time, not to mention the tank killing weapons that turn glances into pens.
>>95852887>which book made you think word bearers use breachers?Every legion had breachers? Even the WS would have had them because space marine legions did everything, they just prefered some aspects of it.
There were also IW bikers and ravenguard rapier batteries.
>>95857357pens can also remove HP if you roll the same status effect as well. So vehciles still can die from a glance.
I must have missed it - how are flyers chosen as part of the FOC? I donโt see them in the chart weโve seen. Does this mean you need to spend strategy points to use one?
>>95857369>Pens canI meant to say glances can remove HP as well.
>>95857374I think theyโre the same slot as speeders
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>>95857375I think what they did with glances is neat, and they kind of spelled it out in the fluff text, like a shot that landed and knocked out a track or targeting auspex without damaging the interior, and it's a rare enough outcome that it doesn't feel as punishing as the pen=useless tank chart did
>>95857357This is all true; I'm just saying I find it odd weaker, non-lethal hits cause Status Effects while stronger, lethal ones, cause none.
It is a full reversal of how it was in 1.0 and 2.0: glances did only damage, and it was Pens what caused damage *and* status effects.
Only the following legions can take breachers, no one else!
>Iron warriors
>Imperial fists
>Ultramaines
>Iron Hands
>>95857111Pros
>flamers quite likely kick ass>LIgma FOC>lieutenants matter>primarchs pls go>no rerolls*>vehicle durability**>initiative modifier instead of unwieldy>no charge out of deepstrike>charge sequence>gun them down rule is Cinematic(tm)Cons
>challenge rules>fallback rule for losing combat is too generous to the loser>saturnine is fugly>no snap shooting for moving heavy weapons***>2.0 WS chartUnknown
>RoWs>weapon balance>legion traits*so far this is the best part of the new edition. I'm so sick of rerolls and how they interact with the balance of special rules
**still unkown, but vehicles generally look more durable
***this feels especially egregious because snap shooting isn't nearly as punishing this edition
Overally I am happy
>>95857357>>95857357Yes, pens should be way more common but it depends on the weapon stats. Unless sunder does something different or they have a different rule, AV14+Flareshield is just immune to lass cannons. AV14 by itself is already immune to meltaguns.
And that's you need 6 wounding rolls just to get one glance. and that's usually 9 odd shots with marines BS. I don't think wounding behicles with glaces is going to be that commom at all. Unless it's volkite culverins shooting at rhinos
>>95857403WE have their own bespoke breachers, so they need to be included
So currently going through pic related and
What the fuck is this piece of shit. I say this as a dark angels fan but holy fuck this book fucking sucks.
Its a complete mess, randomly jumping between like 3 or 4 different stories all running at once but are some fucking disconnected from one another it does not really fit, complete random leaps into plot points that have no fucking explination, suddenly lol Orrubus and watcher. Holy fuck, this has got to be some of the worst Gav has written.
>>95857400I think the term "Glancing Hit" is misleading, honestly. If anything, any hit that rolls below AV is what would glance off the armour, whereas one that precisely matches the AV ought to be like a "Superficial Hit" or something
>>95857403SoH have their own breacher command squads too
>>95857409>Flamers quite literally kick assDude desu, Dark angels Intemptors just got a lot fucking scarier, free plasma flamer overwatch sounds scary as all fuck.
>>95857415I thought we saw that lascannon have armorbane, so AV14+flare will be penned on a 6 (9-1+6=14, glance upgraded to pen)
>>95857409>>primarchs pls goI hope they are not increasing the points costs to the point that 4k is the new 3k..
>>95852887>which book made you think word bearers use breachers?The one that depicted a Word Bearer Breacher, HH5. Shad of the Flayed Hand
In fact that guy remains the coolest, raddest Breacher ever depicted across 9 books.
>Shadman0.0
>>95857432I have heard people who are event organizers float the idea of 3250 for their games, but I think that with the general slowness of the game that we're seeing that'll end up being unfeasible.
>>95857430True, I remember now.
Still. D2 and you need 10 shots got 1 to go throw when a rhino has 5HP...
I think they might be overcorrecting a lot in the other direction
Which I guess it's not a bad thing to have an edition where vehicles are not useless
>>95857436Honestly breachers are looking really appealing this edition. Since you can now move and shoot, you can move and shoot your grav gun (Which why the fuck was this heavy to start with) and or the las cutter, or 2 melta guns.
>>95857400It is counter-intuitive, but with penetrating hits removing multiple hullpoints at once they'd be too strong if they also applied status effects. And it would also add the chance of a penetrating hit removing even more hullpoints when rolling a double for a status effect.
Was kinda hoping vehicles would have had leadership stats just like other units for this reason, as it would have given them a chance to "resist" the status effects. But they got a repair roll instead.
>>95857442Under 3500 you only get 2 reaction points. Primarchs can be taken at 3000 and their transports and retinue no longer count for the 25% so it wouldn't really make any difference aside from having 250p more. Not like you can fit a LoW as well with that
>>95857449The thing a lot of people are not thinking about as well, i have a bad feeling that the fire raptor gunship is going to come back with vengeance, considering now you can just fall outta the sky.
That stupid little AA turret might be more useful then people give it credit for.
Depending on how thigns shape up, and how much it costs, it might be something i take regularly, or just take a duel las dread with targeting array if it can still fire AA.
>>95857212but what if they're the majority of your customer base?
>>95857315>Like what?Armorbane and Shred are the big ones. Being "makes enemy 3rd line" and "critical hits" respectively.
>>95857333>I genuinely donโt see any reason to use anything other than seize, finishing blow, or grandstand, *maybe* guard if youโre evenly matchedTheyre situational. There will be instances where flurry of blows is just mathematically the best choice, where you just need that little bit of damage to kill someone before they swing. There will be instances where you might want to run away or just try and survive with defend. God knows what special legion gambits will allow (and subsequently what you may want to disallow with the "turns off a gambit of your choice" gambit).
Parry is for disabling powerful unique gambits. For when youre really worried that your opponent will use something like the divination "hits on 2+ no matter what" one or whatever.
>The duel stuff is cool but ultimately pointless since it will boil down to an obvious winner winning obviously or two equals desperately trying to go firstIt gives models more options, which is always good. If you plan to use grandstand you want big blobs of despoilers with you, and some big weapon. If you want to use finishing blow you want something with a lot of attacks (dual LC?), if you feel like youre going to lose you pick defensive stance (which will often do a lot to equalize the difference).
The impractical ones are stuff like taunt and gloat (which is obviously so, but has a higher reward if you DO win when you select it)
>>95857442It's already difficult to get 3 games in a day for a tournament with 2k points. 3250 points is fucking wild.
>>95857464>i have a bad feeling that the fire raptor gunship is going to come back with vengeanceYou say that like it's a bad thing
>>95857464idk about that. Snapshots are not hitting on 5s. Unless aircraft go up in HP or AV significantly they are still going to be pretty easy to shoot down
>>95857464Don't call him stupid! Also this thing has a hatch and a viewing port so it might be manned and have a marines BS instead of being autonated.
>>95857415>AV14+Flareshield is just immune to lass cannons.No? They just need 6s, same as always.
>>95857464Dont forget that aircraft interceptions are better than ever. Someone with a xiphon might ruin your day.
>>95857422Glancing would imply the hit being deflected, rather than just hitting and doing no damage. I'm guessing the idea was that the hit wasn't good enough to go through, but hit something vulnerable along the way and did external damage. Sort of a way to represent weak spots like tracks and guns, rather than making them separate pieces like in 2e. In the past rolling equal to or over the target AV was enough to damage it. Otherwise it did nothing. Which is more in line with other armour. It's not like rolling 3 on a 3+ save pins the target while 2 and 1 do a wound.
>>95857498This does not look like it'd be able to point upwards more than 30ยบ
Some AA...
>>95857422Well, this superficial hit is rattling the crew more than the hit that did get in
>>95857513When someone steals them off the back of a truck.
>>95857464It won't be that good when everybody has an anti-air cannon sitting around in their pile of shame from the launch box.
>>95857513Never. Game is DoA.
>>95857332>What are the rules for determining when an agreement cannot be met?Bro, kill yourself
>>95857522It's literally just two sicaran turrets that can't move, you could dump like four of them in the open covering a large field of fire, then your opponent will have to dedicate resorces to killing them or take 4 Accelerator Autocannons.
>>95857456>Was kinda hoping vehicles would have had leadership stats just like other units for this reason, as it would have given them a chance to "resist" the status effectsYeah that'd been fine.
I think the previous Damage Chart was fine except that Explodes should've been 1d3 HP lost
>>95857538Instructions unclear, gained immortality.
>>95857465Then you really fucked up by making the game unapproachable to everyone but that kind of autistic freak and doubling down is just entering a death spiral.
>>95857499>No? They just need 6sNo man, you see glancing on 6s means something is statistically immune, but make it any lower and vehicles are trash that explodes way too often (once every 54 shots) and it's too weak and I don't wanna play anymore, let's make a new edition x.x
I think the new Glancing and Penetrating makes more sense than before
A glancing hit doesn't penetrate but it can damage outside components, like tracks, optics, guns, antenas, etc. This translates to the status effects for game mechanic purposes and those statuses have to be manually fixed by the crew. You are not actually pinning the crew inside the tank, you are blowing the tracks off, it's an abstraction
When you Penetrate you are actually doing permanent damage to the vehicle by killing the crew inside or destroying important components. The crew doesn't suffer the status effects because the functional parts are still holding and not everything gets a status because a guy or two have died
>>95857257>Also why boards are just flat Ls.That has more to do with lethality being silly, units doing way too much and terrain rules being dogshit.
>>95857499>No? They just need 6s, same as always.Didn't know they had armorbane now
>>95857588Its literally in the article where they revealed their stats. We knew this before the leaks.
>>95857580Don't marine tanks only have like one or two actual crew members and the rest is automated?
It amuses me no end that GW is trying to write tard-proof rules when the reading level among adults in the US is, on average, on the level of a 5th grader.
>>95857603That's unironically 90% because of black people bringing the average down and how many of those do you see playing miniatures games?
>>95857556>unapproachable to everyone but that kind of autistic freakdo you know where you are?
>>95857600Old codexes listed even rhinos with 3 crew
The crew doesn't have to translate 1:1 to the HP either. There's machine spirits and shit like that in there too
>>95857580I forgot all the vulnerable parts of the tank, like the controls, ammo, engine, etc. are stored on the outside, and shells that penetrate armour ignore these parts and only go for the sort, useless flesh inside. Now, if Penetrating Hits also rolled on the table on top of eating hull points, then it'd make more sense.
>>9585760915% of the population can't bring your average down to the 5th grade level if it wasn't awful to begin with
You would know this if you weren't american
>>95857620Hitting critical stuff like controls, ammo and so forth is represented by the vehicle getting destroyed and becoming a wreck, that's not something you can repair in the span of a minute.
>>95857580Am I to believe the tank has been destroyed but the engine, tracks, sensors and gun are still alright?
Ever since oblivion remastered dropped, i feel like there has been an increase desire to play spellblade type characters. It's no longer seen as cringe by a lot of people, maybe /tg/ still hates them, but the appeal of blasting and bashing seems to have translated to more uh "Normie" (I'd consider 4chan users to be quite normie today personally but that's neither here nor there) places.
>>95857628Yes they can, retarded nomaths.
>>95857633Yes? Don't you know that tanks get regularly salvaged when the crew inside gets turned to paste?
There's still plenty of worknig components.
>>95857609Why would GW change the way they write rules for people who don't play the game? They were totally fine with the way they, GW, used to write the rules for their game, Warhammer The Horus Heresy, that they sell in the US, that was fine in this past year of 2024, and current year of 2025 :^)
>>95857600Rhinos have 1 dude, predators and land raiders 2. Think super-heavies have 4, but not sure.
>>95857614>Old codexes listed even rhinos with 3 crewWhere?
>>95857662>land raiders 2Unless I'm mistaken Land Raiders have 1 Techmarine and a quite advanced Machine Spirit which can even function autonomously.
>>95857653>Technically the weaponry is fine. It's just about pasting the bits back together
>>95857641No they can't. Even if they all had a proficiency of grade 1 you'd not go bellow 10th grade unless your average adult can't even read at high school level
>>95857680You're also not accounting for the tens of millions of immigrants that don't even speak proper english.
>>95857417>Berserker go-to legion using shields.Wut?
>>95857632Then fucking make another fucking table with different names for all the status effects representing the crew getting rattled, fires breaking out, etc. if you autism can't deal with using the same table because the descriptions don't fit your idea. I'm sorry, but hot piece of metal blasting through your tank into the cramped crew compartment is not something you just ignore and chuck it down to "hull integrity at 50%, captain".
>>95857690The ones that don't go to school so they can't be tested for proficiency?
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>>95857671Driver and commander.
Looking around at the cool models on the GW web store.
Rule wise is there a difference between a mk3 III mkii or mkiv? I only see mkiv and I want to use the custom legion bits.
>>95857695Yes it is. Because whoever gets hit is fucking dead and that's the end of it
>>95857722Penetration doesn't automatically wreck a vehicle, retard.
>>95857710No. All power armour types work the same.
>>95857632>hat's not something you can repair in the span of a minute.Maybe for you silly Intelligence 7 jarheads, d'oohohoho
>autistic screeching from both sides about the nuances of real life applications to game mechanics
>Retards still failing to grasp simple rules
>Like two people actually having normal discussions about what might come of the new edition
/Hhg/ has never felt more like /hhg/
>>95857753I miss curzefag and her angron autist friend
>>95857734Because it's a fucking abstraction you unbearable dumbass
You are loosing important shit, systems or crew the the vehicle needs to operate, and that makes the HP go down until you lose so many it's no longer functional.
Yes, you are not loosing a tangible amount of life while you bleed to death in real life either. Is it's that fucking hard to reconcile an HP system with suffering damage in a fucking game?
>>95857662Some tanks use servitors instead of machine spirts, some even use trusted human crew with a tank commander being the only marine
>>95857753This is shaping up to be the best edition yet.
>>95857710MkIV has the highest Cool stat and the other 2 kits are shit
>>95857762>get punched in the face>dazed for a moment>get shot in the chest>still have health left, so I'm able to operate as if nothing had happenedAbstraction works only when there's some logic to it.
>>95857769We went through this one in record time
>>95857753Wouldn't have it any other way.
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>>95857678That'll buff out.
>>95857710No, the difference is more aesthetic, and only really matters depending on the time your army is set in. This only really matters for mkv, mk6, Sarum pattern helmets and anvilis pattern packs for loyalists, and mk7 since not every legion had access to these at all points in the timeline like mk7 not really existing till the siege of terra
>>95857793This. Unironically what if glances only did damage, and Pens did damage + Status? You know, like how it's always been?
Anons didn't have any problem abstracting that before. Suddenly they bend over backwards following whatever GW says they must believe in
>>95857753We did it Horus! We saved The Imperium!
>>95857833>the difference is more aestheticMfw
>>95855559yes, 12 years is 2 decades.
>Duel phase is literally always gonna boil down to going first
>there's a gambit right there that cuts off your opponent's access to focus
Come on dweebs, you gotta play the mind games.
>>95857692Triarii, basically close combat oriented breachers
>>95855660Why just why? Why can't it be I don't know Troopers get 2", all heroes get 3" and super ultra mega rare dudes get something else. Why all the extra steps and burden on remembering stats, which to be gracious they just changed, so if you remember the old ones you get double fucked, because people either will say you are cheating or you will have to check and recheck every thing every time. And all that book keeping for playing 2-3 times every quarter. w40k is the game of young 20 and 30 year olds. most HH people are way over 40.
>>95855732Stores in my country would be dead, if they either didn't move away from table top games or run a 3d printing business on the side. They even have options to print you stuff from your own files, which includes 1 to 1 GW models.
And I am not even suprised for decades GW was doing stuff like X box/unit is popular and everyone wants it.... okey we will ship you two, and 1 extra, if you order every starter for every game x1. But not all X will be covered by that, and we can miss those things in your next months shipment
>>95854447https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBIvtfTQFto
>>95857464its a reserves roll every time to bring it on btw
3+, and adding one for each time you have already entered the board.
eg If its your 2nd time entering, its 4+
3rd, 5+
4th, 6+
>>95857522>Used to shot tanks in trailer Might not be dedicated AA
>>95857580>lascannon can't damage tracks, sensors, hatches, view ports, antennae, etc Ok
>>95855120Why does the Saturnine Praetor have less strength than a base Saturnine?
>>95855372lol at the Death Guard joining the other legions at Isstvan V to "hunt down those traitors"
>>95857140what side of the dice facing should I interpret the re-roll as? This rule is very confusing...
>>95854447https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pYHLjCk39M4&pp=ygUYdnVsdHVyZSBhIGxpZmUgb25jZSBsb3N0
>>95857498Can the turret fit ontop of a Rhino or Land Raider chassis?
Anyone else thinking about 2nd ed style schemes for their 30k army?
>>95853431For the test, Ive tested a message from sillytavern.
This site is 100% confident the eldar princess is a real person who really, really loves me.
Dude....Everyone is complaining retarded female teachers use these bullshit to detect AI homework for a reason.
It never worked.
You can't automate this, only humans can notice abhorrent patterns correctly.
This is abominable intelligence.
>>95853823Unless dark angels.
We have the best of everything in quantities unknowable for how vast they are.
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