Thread 95853120

Previously: >>95844173

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: What are your most popular and least popular commanders going by EDHREC numbers?

Real TQ: Who's your bracket 4 MLD commander?

>>95853128
your mom lol

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>95853120 (OP)
>What are your most popular and least popular commanders going by EDHREC numbers?
Nekusar at #13, though I don't build him the oppressive way, only simple draw stuff to let people have an extra 3-5 cards per turn. There's no wheels or anything else
Gabriel Angelfire at #2063, auras voltron with all the Lure effects

>>95853120 (OP)
TQ:
My most popular is Go-Shintai of Life's Origin at #41. Obvious fucking powergap for 5c Enchantress. I don't know how most people build it, but I try to stay on theme and make shrines. Really it doesn't need anything more than that.
My least popular is Neerdiv, Devious Diver at #909. I run it pure as enemy targeted mill (milling myself for gas), no labmans or thoracles in sight. The latest set has been kind to me in The Water Crystal and more 'mill half your deck' cards, though I'm somewhat grateful Hope is White so I don't have to run him.

>>95853185
>Go-Shintai of Life's Origin
I've wanted to build this deck for years, but after having a sagas deck I'm afraid of all the shrine triggers every single turn. How bad does it get?

>>95853120 (OP)
he cute but should be green black so you can run him with jenova FACT

>>95853090
yeah what an embarrassment that was
makes me realize yet again that current wotc can never ever depict rebels as evil and the current power structure as good, they can never do a story like one of their UB sets, picrel

>>95853219
they literally depict Mishra as evil despite him rebelling

>>95853120 (OP)
>TQ
Sauron the Dark Lord as highest being in the Top 10
Noyan-Dar at the lowest just shy of 1,100

>>95853202
You definitely need to know your triggers, but if you know them they can actually resolve fairly quickly:

Hondens (and Sanctum of All) go off on upkeep, Triggered Sanctums go off on Pre-combat Main, Go-Shintais go off on End Step (when you pay).

Then you just need to keep track of your shrine count and whether or not you have trigger doublers out. By the time the triggers become unmanagable, you should have won the game or eaten a boardwipe.

As a tip, don't ask for replays on missed triggers. You'll lose a few games probably from missing stuff, but you'll learn not to miss them again.

>>95853120 (OP)
>TQ

Most
Marina Vendrell with like 8300

Least
2nd Doctor/Vislor Turlough with around 870

>>95853293
>Marina Vendrell
neat. How many times have you pulled off the Promising Stairs win?

>>95853298
It is kind of my main win condition outside of just turning enchantment creatures sideways while gaining value

As of right now my lowest ranked is mono Red kellan at #1936. My highest is probably Hazezon hes the only really popular one I've ever built but 3c is gay shit so hes never played

>>95853304
Sick. I've got a "win/lose the game" tribal deck and it's one of the cards I couldn't fit because it required too many cards to support it

Just found out my roommate has been paypigging the shit out of his deck, and has totally exceeded the poverty limits we put in place. No wonder I just lost five games in a row

On a scale of 5 to 10, with 1 being uncringe and 10 being maximum cringe, how bad would it be if I made a deck of proxies for >>95853120 (OP) with Archer as my commander and various heroic spirit noble phantasms as living weapons?

>>95853120 (OP)
>TQ
Hakbal who I think is 26, and Bill Ferny

>>95853350
One of my friends decided to proxy up like $800 worth of cards for his deck and of course he won 4 in a row, and that's when we all told him to trash those cards or he's not playing with us again. Fucking stupid how people feel the need to pubstomp

>>95853367
Originally my roommate proxied the fuck out of his Laelia. Then I started proxying to keep up. And then I played dinosaurs and drew my proxied Survival of the Fittest and was so disgusted with myself that I gave all my proxies away to my noob friends who only have bought Tarkir precons. It makes me angry because things would be so much easier in my pod if we all agreed no fifty dollar proxies and stuck to a single tier, but no, fuckface needs his $600 Rhystic Study One Ring Cyclonic Rift trannydeck to go up against the other two guys in the pod playing precons who started playing MTG two months ago.

>>95853350
lord of the nazghul is hard to build budget if you have low self control because they all want all 9 of the nazghuls

>>95853225
they can't retcon mishra because he's from old 90s era wotc that had too much lore to retcon away without backlash
that's why i mentioned *current* wotc, they can never show the status quo to be good, there's always "something wrong with it" that "needs to be changed"
kaladesh - consulate bad
ikoria - coppercoats bad
neon dynasty - the asari uprisers are shown in a sympathetic light (isshin, risona) and justified in their rebellion while the imperials are shown to be incompetent at best
capenna - everyone bad, because demons can't do anything good

>$600 deck
>$400 deck
>$275 deck
And this is the same fucking NIGGER who refuses to play against my “overpowered” $200 Narset Enlightened Master. I am going to kill this fucker

>>95853392
>Originally my roommate proxied the fuck out of his Laelia. Then I started proxying to keep up
Exactly. It always becomes a fucking arms race, you always gotta one-up the last deck. I'm fine with proxying all the $1-5 cards that go in each deck just to save money, but fucks sake you need to put a stop to the idiocy real quick or else

>>95853367
>>95853392
>>95853457
proxy games that are not cedh are doomed to escalate, because if people aren't proper enough to buy real cards (regardless of what you think of wotc) why would people act proper in tempering their power levels

>>95853476
So if you proxy a rhystic study then you're a proxyfag pubstomper but if you already own one then it's fair magic?

How's your Golbez lists going? I dont know what to improve here. Im thinking of just removing the infinite, the deck doesnt have tutors anyway
https://moxfield.com/decks/g8WGebN7PU2dWHYWAS9eKg

>>95853494
if you proxied rhystic study you basically allowed your opponents to one up you and proxy cards themselves
when you buy the real thing you can tell them to bust out their strongest decks, or better yet, act like a normal person and power down accordingly, there's a reason why martial artists are pretty much the most peaceful people around

>>95853410
I will say WotC's writing is so bad it inspired me to start writing independent fiction because of how much shit made me think "Wow that's stupid, here's how I'd do it:"

>tq
>Least
Marisi. Peeps don't run goad decks.

>most
Edgar, which just proves edhrec stats are mostly bullshit. I got him in 2017 and until Innistrad RM dumped a metric fuckton of his cards on the market I ran into zero other Markov players in three different cities worth of LGS's and friend pods. A $100+ card being the fourth most popular Commander ahead of Krenko? Fuckin lmao

>>95853505
ikoria in particular made my eyes roll, it was incredibly naive and patronizing

>>95853476
>>95853494
>>95853502
I don’t care if the Rhystic was pulled from a pack or written in crayon, I am trying to get more of my friends into mtg and I have one of them playing fucking doctor who precons because he loves doctor who while the pubstomp tranny is taking ten minute turns when he isn’t busy wasting rent money on a ninety dollar one ring

>>95853530
>the pubstomp tranny
well there's your problem
stop playing with mentally ill people

>>95853530
anon if you really want your friends to be invested in mtg you would meet them at their level and buy a precon yourself

>>95853514
Ikoria somehow managed to be more shallow and patronizing than the childrens' version of the franchise they were ripping off.
A game aimed at 12-year olds was willing to point out that not everyone trusted the riders going around saying the flying death machines were friendly, and that their opponents had good arguments as to why. Meanwhile in Ikoria the bonders are just treated as in the absolute right with strawman opposition. Almost like they're afraid to even attempt a story with any sort of nuance.
WotC literally treats its audience of middle-aged players like bigger children than Capcom treats literal children.

>>95853530
Rhystic Study is more of an issue in a new play group for what it is rather than what it costs.

While it sounds like paypig behavior, honestly having to buy the real card is a big brake on people cranking bullshit at the table. It also self-reports on players in the pod that are taking things too far: If they're proxying true duals then you might go 'well okay, I'll just do it too', but if they show up with the real fucking deal then maybe a conversation will actually be had.

>>95853549
I did. We each bought a Tarkir. I had Ureni. We went on a two week trip to Japan and were going to play most nights. It sort of fell through because the guy I’m talking about bought Teval, but decided he didn’t actually want to play Teval. So he was playing what I just found out was a six hundred dollar deck while I have first time players struggling to understand Mardu Siege and Abzan Armor

>>95853120 (OP)
Whats the best way to share a decklist for advice? Starting commander and not really sure if I am hitting the right tier.
>pic related

need more starting towns, give me your starting towns

>>95853576
if you're going for kaldra might as well add in mechtitan core for more timmy nonsense

>>95853576
>Whats the best way to share a decklist for advice?
Moxfield link.

>>95853367
>>95853392
>>95853457
>>95853476
>>95853502
Sucks to be retarded.
>hey just because you guys CAN play The One Ring and Rhystic Study and Sylvan Library and Ancient Copper Dragon doesn't mean we should, they were clearly design mistakes and if we want to go the route of endless power escalation I'm going to start throwing together cedh decks that can win by turn 3 or 4 because that's the only way I can be competitive.

Problem solved. Of course most of these problems aren't actually true, it's just antiproxyfags trying to demonize proxying because they want everyone to buy their investard bags and they know "muh pod escalation" is the only slightly valid anti-proxy argument left.

If your group doesn't have established rules about what level you all are supposed to be playing at and the only thing actually keeping cards in check are price you are just p2w dorks anyways and your opinions can be safely discarded.

>>95853628
nta but while I 100% agree with you in concept, in-practice as you know Commander players are notoriously a demographic that is both stupid and lacks self-control.

>>95853598
>>95853592
https://moxfield.com/decks/OMcMQ1bVSU-BADKmUpyr8A
I removed Tomb Trawler to fit in mechtitan.

>>95853639
exactly my point too
it's easy to think *in theory* that people will act rational, but in practice they don't
bonus points mtg players are overwhelmingly liberal, a demographic not really known for self-control in pursuits of pleasure, you think they won't indulge themselves in cardboard?

>>95853628
wow, so for people to act normal in proxy games i have to proxy a complete cedh blue farm/rogsi ready to take out JUST IN CASE they go too crazy
if that's not a cedh pod in denial i don't know what it is

>>95853225
They depicted Mishra as a Marvel villain. Out of all of the dogshit art modern WotC has made this one stands out as the most offensive to me. It's so obvious where all their inspiration came from in this gay era.

>>95853647
you can take out some of the artifacts (you don't need crucible for example, mithril coat is better as another counterspell, etc) to put in the original kaldra set from mirrodin, go ham with the combiners along with some crazy alt art tokens while you're at it

He seemed like shit but is kind of fun

>>95853706
if you can act like this while playing emperor and the pod gets it and laughs with you (NOT AT YOU OK) you're golden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpYR_PeF2ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpYR_PeF2ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpYR_PeF2ew

>>95853699
I started with the 3 pieces but they feel redundant with Compleat.

The game plan as I imagine it for this deck is to cheat out Compleat asap, then try to buff him with vigilance, extra blocks, and nazgul mace, and genji glove.

Backup plans are:
>mechanized production + darksteel citadel
>various creature theft (memnarch, portal, mace, crown)
>simulacrum synthesizer spamming out growing tokens

Do you think its worth swapping something out for those 3 pieces? I tried to put in crucible, god-pharoah statue, and cumberstone to make it more robust against different styles of deck, but yeah I can definitely do without them to fit in the components.

>>95853759
it's worth it because to be honest the power level of your deck isn't high (you can do far more busted things with arcum than kaldra), so imo going all in on the theme of combing mecha sounds just about right

as a FF 1-X boomer this is the most disappointing set. not because of the cards, but actually because no one at my lgs has even played a FF. any of them. jeez that was a bummer. wotc actually did a half decent job and they included a lot of main characters and cool plot points.

>>95853628
>having friends
>not playing with autistic randos at lgs
I remember having fun once. must be nice.

I just changed my stance on proxing fuck those poor ass nerds. If they want to play at a casual pod with reserve list cards they should have to walk their broke ass to the bank and take out a loan and risk some other retard spilling coke zero on the table.

>>95853759
Sure why not
OG kaldra are ok equipment in their own right, shield of kaldra can give mechtitan token indestrucible

MKM should have been a New Capenna set in a New Capenna block

>>95853556
>WotC literally treats its audience of middle-aged players like bigger children than Capcom treats literal children.
Putting my tinfoil hat on to guess that both of magic's main competitors being aimed at children is the reason for this. They want a slice of the family friendly audience bad, but most of the kids I see at my LGS playing magic are only playing because their old man's there playing with them. They have no idea how to appeal to kids and the game as a whole has grievously suffered for it.

>>95853128
I don't go to npcrec and I play my beamtown mld deck in bracket 3 with the stars of the show being ravenous baboons, fulminator mage, tectonic hellion, krenko's buzzcrusher and keldon firebombers to name a few

>>95853706
It is so easy to just dome the table for 30+ with this guy.

>>95853120 (OP)
>tq
Top
Right now its kibo, uktabi prince. It'll be tom bombadil when he's put together
Bottom
Outside of partner combos it's og hazezon at the moment

>>95853672
Yeah my statement really does seem silly when you leave out the first half of it where I say have a grown up conversation about not wanting the pod to spiral into cedh adjacent decks and if they refuse to do so show them the error of their ways by building an oppressive and unfun cedh deck filled with the most powerful cards to drive the point home that just because you CAN play something doesn't mean you should. I am silly.

>>95853840
If the proxy escalation problem is happening at an LGS I have no valid advice or say on the matter, because too many LGS players are the most contentious midwit sweatlords (figuratively and literally) manchildren on the planet and my default assumption is they either are too autistic to understand a power level conversation or too petulant to do so. My condolences if your only option for games is through the LGS, and I concede proxy hate is valid if it involves LGS games because those types do tend to be cancerous and in general are proxying solely to power game as opposed to just not wanting to blow paycheques on cardboard or prohibitively expensive/rare cards.

>>95853120 (OP)
>most popular
The First Sliver
>least popular
Kozilek, the Great Distortion

>>95853706
I've been really wanting to try him. Or Shanttoto. Probably together. That he transforms makes me like him a bit more. How's your list for him looking?

>>95853120 (OP)
>tq
Teysa at #35
Minthara at #458

>>95854069
Magic is inherently too complicated for kids, and it'll never have the anime appeal kids like no matter how many anime cards or UB sets they include. And that's not even getting into the ponzi scheme secondary market around the game that locks most kids out. Plus WOTC lacks any talented writers who would be capable of making universes and settings that have the same mass appeal that Pokemon or even Yugioh did, and this has been a problem for WOTCs entire history, even with D&D. They made some popular systems, mostly because they were the first to do so, but they've never been able to make a setting or story that actually appeals to a mass audience and they never will with the product they creatives they have.

>>95854458
>Magic is inherently too complicated for kids
I played and understood magic at 8 years old it was less complicated than video games anon.
MTG has the same issue the comics industry has - it's become gatekept by smelly old nerds so it's uncool.

>>95853120 (OP)
>TQ
Most popular Jodah The Unifier at 15. I built him because he got the Warrior Of Light reskin.

Least popular Odric, Lunarch Marshal at 547. This one is probably one of my favorite decks.

>>95854069
>>95853556
>>95853514
>>95853505
Current writing is bad because it's written by bottom of the barrel 'writers' willing to take a 50k/year paycheck from WoTC for a billion-dollar game combined with suits who don't understand why a card game needed a story at all.
They used to hire mid, if actual fantasy writers who would write a whole book about every set. Now we get some barely-literate tard out of berkely desperate for money and with an axe to grind about their personal gender/race guilt and eager to cram it in to a story about dragons and shit.
Take Niko for example. It's just the author's self insert, but it's not even a good insert since 99% of Niko's appearance in-story is someone commenting how they can't tell what gender he is.

>>95854444
certainly not a finalized sort of list. Still hammering it out.

https://moxfield.com/decks/ejlSJFdblkChfarxTBe5dw

>>95853438
Why would it be? That's embarrassing.

>>95853568
Maybe you should be big boys and spend money on your decks lmao fucking useless weebniggers

>>95853628
>clearly design mistakes
Opinion discarded as that is a retarded thing to say.

>>95854357
Holy cringe posting

>Magic is too complicated for kids
What about lolis?

>>95853438
>he only owns one deck

>>95853120 (OP)
>most popular
Kaalia
>least popular
technically Grimgrin but his deck is currently the back for a printer proxy Teval deck so actually Teval

>>95853120 (OP)
>TQ
Most is krenko and I built him several years ago so I like to keep him around

Least is this pretty lady, I built her when there were less than ten decks on edhrec because I liked the idea of "mono white food". It's not my strongest deck or anything but it's fun. Makes a huge board

>>95854667
That's what you get for dumb TQs that try to push interaction like that, yeah..

>>95854866
should have answered the other TQ

>>95853556
Part of the problem was that ikora wasn't a hat set, it was a glorified trampoline. Kids can understand hats, however to use a trampoline they need parental guidance

>>95854868
Agreed. Should never engage with landerinos and just let the 5 color good stuff run free

>>95854866
>tq trying to push interacton
You mean... what it is there for? The cringe posting is you going "npcrec" despite it having no relation to the post you replied to and acting like you're cool for playing a shitty deck lmao

>>95854893
It is also irrelevant since edhrec is just being used as a list for popularity, and not for building his deck

>>95854866
It's a great TQ actually

>>95854901
That's part of what it's used for though

>>95853719
Watching this video bums me out so much about the current state of dissidia.

>>95855203
good bot

>>95854411
>Yeah my statement really does seem silly when you leave out the first half of it where I say have a grown up conversation about not wanting the pod to spiral into cedh adjacent decks and if they refuse to do so show them the error of their ways by building an oppressive and unfun cedh deck filled with the most powerful cards to drive the point home that just because you CAN play something doesn't mean you should. I am silly.
lmao and once you do that the other guys will just proxy up complete cedh decks of their won, good job, you're a cedh pod living in denial, what a self-own, you can't even agree with me while you agree with this guy
>>95853840

Least original deck with Ojer Axonil at #100, 11200 decks, because this fat boy is busted and wins by just existing.

Most original deck with Mageta the Lion at #1857, 330 decks.
One of my fav decks to play but its alot of boardwhipes so it isnt always appreciated. Having an Armageddon in the list isnt helping.

Expected Chisei to be my least build commander because he's truly jank trash, but apparently Mageta wins it by an inch.

Here's my budget kellan brew minus 7 cards cause I couldn't find any in my collection I really liked to finish it without pilfering other decks

https://archidekt.com/decks/13761505/kellan

>>95854029
everyone agrrees, but they wanted one of their "memorable" ""characters"" to die, for the """big emotional""" response within the playerbase

as if anyone cares about Gay Teysa or anyone elese of the Ravnica Shmucks

>>95853120 (OP)
>TQ
My commanders are the picture of unoriginality.
- Xenagos
- Henzie
And I got 2 of the FF precons I intend to upgrade and tinker with: Mardu FFVI Terra, and bant FFX Tidus
The 2 decks I built but shelved are:
- Ojer Axonil (playgroup couldn't handle the heat)
- Ivy
- Light-Paws

Amusingly enough, since I only use EDHREC to top off a deck once I've built it to see if I haven't somehow missed any blatantly neat cards, I had no clue how popular all of my commanders were. I built all of them since I saw the card drift around these threads and liked the idea of it.

>>95853120 (OP)
>tq
By what metric? Most popular out of all commanders? In their colors? I would imagine my most popular are probably Myrel or Xenagod and least popular would be Diaochan.

>>95855431
Henzie being popular makes me both happy and sad.
Happy because I recognized his potential early on and I've been a fan since day one.
Sad because now I am the guy that has an EDHrec top 100 deck and lots of people have those decks

Who am I kidding though, I love henzie, probably the most fun I've ever had in this game

>guy plays a feast or famine deck game one
>either has a massive game-winning board state or nothing
>gets his commander killed five times
>can't do anything all game because nobody wants to fucking die
>switches to Rowan combo game two
>gets pouty when his life total is focused down so he can't randomly exsanguinate the table for 30 damage
>out of pity his friend leaves him alive at 3 life
>plays one ring and regains a shitload of life then untaps and wins
>complains about being "bullied" later
Gee wonder why

>>95853120 (OP)
I'm not going to look everything up, but what I remember from last time I check my most popular was Mothman and least popular was Raven Man. I haven't played the latter for a while after taking a couple parts for Jund Winter, so maybe I'll go back and give him some upgrades.

>>95853628
The best argument against proxying is that you're paying real money for fake cards

>>95855457
While I get being miffed if a deck you like is super popular, since it'd suck if you have one against you every game, I've never actually encountered that. Went to the FF prerelease and chatted with a guy who was making a Choco deck and he mentioned he had a Henzie deck. So I was enthusiastic about it too and we had a little fun moment with that.

Henzie's delightful. Every new set, I can just throw in some big guys with attack/combat/dmg/etb/death triggers into the deck and they'll perform.
Is pic related better than my best options? No. Is it fun to reanimate some wacky creature from someone else's yard as a demon and swing at them with it? Who knows! That's the thrill

>playgroup softbans infinite combos
>I try to build fair decks
>They play such battlecruiserslop I can't keep up

>>95853120 (OP)
Faldorn and Sigarda auras/voltron, currently looking through the Final Fantasy stuff to see which cards I can add. Some summons look promising

How would you guys improve my decks?

Teval my beloved:
https://moxfield.com/decks/I-W3kO26qk-Q0lxzJPX03A


Hashaton:
https://moxfield.com/decks/y_pDxglgVUqMc23zTpFovQ

Dimir deck:
https://moxfield.com/decks/pqFT3qYB90q1BC8ooQGqVA

And I slapped sephiroth into my black zombies deck (mostly tokenless)
https://moxfield.com/decks/zDV9Na8x50qoH7UOYscW-g

>>95853120 (OP)
>TQ
Most popular: Krenko, Mob Boss by a country mile.
Least popular: Probably Delina, Wild Mage

>>95855847
time to play poison

>>95855885
Based mono red enjoyer

Shes so much fun a breath of fresh air in boros

Ban Vivi

>>95855974
she just seems like standard boros shit to me. real boring

>>95855974
>double damage in boros
lightning as a card is as boring as she was in all of her games, bravo wotc

>>95855401
Zegana hadn’t gotten a card since 2019 and I didn’t even know Kylox had died until I looked at his page, and then realized MKM was his first and only appearance. Oba of the Trostani doesn’t even really get punished for it, the other two Trostani just pull her into their meditation to “reharmonize” and ghost Teysa tells Kaya “I’ll sue Selesnya later, don’t worry.”

>>95855984
>>95855989
The fun of boros is figuring out how to turn double damage into quadruple, and then octuple damage, and then whatever is twice that I'm not a math person.

Lightning gives a way to start that chain at 3 mana.

>>95855974
>wow another damage based boros commander
this is why banning mld (or punisher cards in general) is a mistake

>>95855989
>>95855984
When you hit 8X damage its like fent

>>95855974
>breath of fresh air in boros
huh? she's overtuned as fuck but damage doublers have existed for a decade in boros.

if we are talking about fresh air pic related are much better examples. these commanders brought some truly new shit to boros.

>>95855974
>Gisela but different is a breath of fresh air
huh?

>>95856064
At 3 mana, she might be fast enough to bring real aggro to EDH. When's the last time you saw real aggro in EDH?

>>95856038
>The fun of boros is figuring out how to turn double damage into quadruple, and then octuple damage, and then whatever is twice that I'm not a math person.
>The fun of green is figuring out how to turn double mana into quadruple, and then octuple mana, and then whatever is twice that I'm not a math person.
imagine needing two colors to emulate the power of one
>invinciblememe.jpg

>>95856079
>Krenko suddenly stopped existing
huh?

>>95856049
My no monowhite, no monored, Boros tribal Ferrous deck goes crazy with the right cards. The number of times I've won off Chance for Glory is insane.

>>95856083
To be honest, most of that doubling business is just coming from red.

>>95856064
shes 3 mana not 30

>>95856088
Isn't Krenko combo?

>>95856079
Like...yesterday when I played TDC Zurgo?

>>95856103
wins by turning creatures to the right in a 90° angle and being faster than everybody else. how else would you define aggro?

>>95856079
Zada has been here for at least 10 years

>>95856112
Not weak to disruption.

>>95856141
>aggro is not weak to disruption
I dont see any kind of defensive keyword on lightning. Would you define Lightning as aggro when she dies to shock?

>Friend says that stroke of midnight, beast within, chaos warp, generous gift are bad because they cost too much mana
>Also constantly complains about my Nykthos, Cabal Coffers, Maze of Ith, Field of the Dead
Can't hit them with your ultra efficient one mana removal

Everyone get in! We're off to WOTC design dept!

I like Lightning because your opponents can benefit from the damage buff.

>>95856049
>Queen MaKayla Bix-Nood

>>95856197
made for the big GOAD

>>95855974
This is the most standard boros card ever made KILL YOURSELF FFFAG

>>95856219
keep calm anon. one more week for some real™ magic®

>>95856141
>Lightning
>no haste, no protection, 2 toughness
>not weak to disruption

>>95856238
is it really only one week until EOE spoilers?

>>95853120 (OP)
Most popular in use is Tymna/Thrasios because I fucking HATE Atraxa and think proliferate is mostly boring as shit unless you're like, proliferating weird ass counters instead of +1/+1 sloppa

I mostly play them in either lands (not landfall) Knights, Stax or Stoneblade/Miracles
(#173, 7741 decks)

My least is Amareth, the Lustrous, because it's a fantastic draw engine that also has a commander than can 3 shot with commander damage off an exalted trigger from Noble Heirarch AND works off my fuckass ramp decks super well
(#1031, 1398 decks)

But the one I've been having the most fun with is Mr. Foxglove, because drawing 7 off an attack trigger is fucking WILD and he also works with my fuckass ramp decks
(#533, 3413 decks)

>>95856270
>Atraxa is boring slop!
>plays the CEDH tier sloppiest mechanic in the entire game (partners) instead
lol

>>95856248
haste enablers are still my favorites. nothing is better than turning every single one of your creatures into an instant removal and open mana check.
zoom zoom

>>95856262
final fantasy pro tour starts next weekend in las vegas. full on spoiler season should start in 4 weeks if wotc goes back to regular spoiler season

>>95856298
Its more or less because my local area was inundated with her, Thrasios is my fuckin boy tho

>>95856262
Spoilers are always 2-3 weeks before release. EoE is like beginning of August, so mid-July is when we should start seeing EoE cards

>>95856079
Every time I play?

>>95856402
teaser will start next weekend. I would expect at least the two face commanders and maybe one or two cards from the main set

So why are there astronauts in mtg now?
I thought the blind eternities was space and not even planeswalkers could stay in it for long.
I know being a planeswalker doesn't mean shit because everyone can planeswalk through the omenpaths, but is everyone able to just fly through the blind eternities now too?

>>95856393
atraxa is everyone's girl tho; ultimately you're no different from the proliferate sloppa you hate so much

>>95856412
Ah yes, fair. We should see a small handful of cards like normal, but the main spoiler season isn't gonna be for another month

>>95856421
the blind eternities are the gaps between planes, Sothera (the edge of eternities plane) seems to exist at the edge of planar space itself

>>95856421
don't worry about it

>>95856428
?
How?
You just claimed partner was slop and left it at that smugly, I could say the same thing about anything really.
"Oh artifact ramp is sloppa"

>>95856447
calling artifact ramp slop (something that other colors can't help but do anyway if they want to play bombs like green does) rings hollow when you call proliferate slop while using a busted cedh mechanic of your own

>>95856482
If it's about power level then by definition anything good is slop
So ramp, draw, and tutors are turbo slop

My entire thing with atraxa was that it's a boring commander because it was the most popular commander for years and all I ever saw anyone do with it is proliferate +1/+1s while running demonic tutor and Swords to plowshares.

With my decks, I'm running a cedh commander, and playing shit like STONEBLADE MIRACLES. Like stoneforge mystic and batterskull and the Swords alongside Triumph of Saint Katherine and shit.
Tell me that's slop, tell me how many times you've seen that

>>95853120 (OP)
Main deck:
Ruby, Daring Tracker - Rank #796
I like the tempo Ruby gives to the deck, letting me fill my deck with Explosive Vegetation ramp instead of cheap dorks and rocks, then immediately jump into all of my 6-7cmc stuff. It gets the ball rolling quickly, so it's a lot of fun to play and turns are usually pretty quick, even if it's not the strongest.

Currently working on:
Edric, Spymaster of Trest - Rank #638
Sergeant John Benton - Rank #592
Surprised Edric is as low as he is, since he used to be cedh viable and most of the cards he wants are super cheap. I'm trying to find a way to make him work in bracket 3 without chaining extra turns, but it's difficult. Deck is too intelligent for me (mega retard).
John Benton is just fun. Voltron is pretty boring when your wincons are the same equipment/enchantments that gives your guy every keyword and protection from everything and unblockable status. Being able to run cheap combat tricks and refill your hand off of them is sick. Having to run actual spells for protection instead of the ever-present indestructible+hexproof equipment combos makes each round around the table pretty tense.

Not feeling, might take apart:
The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride - Rank #234
Commander's busted. Drawing cards and dumping lands is fun, but it's also kinda meh. Interaction against it also fucking HURTS because it's so reliant on Gitrog to do ANYTHING.

Have taken apart:
Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm - Rank #9
Pantlaza, Sun-Favored - Rank #11
Caesar, Legion's Emperor - Rank #55
Kykar, Zephyr Awakener - Rank #855
Kykar was just a shitty pillow fort deck with a combo win. Kykar -> Mass Polymorph, Kykar creates a spirit token -> Search library for the only two creatures I have: Leveler and Laboratory Maniac -> Draw card, win game. Combo is gay as fuck.
Miirym and Pantlaza are both boring busted tribal commanders. Tried reworking Miirym into clone tribal but meh.
Caesar was a precon I got and didn't like much, outside of the flavour.

>>95856421
Don't worry about it, its just a flimsy reason to set up the eldrazi returning just like takir was just a flimsy excuse to set up Bolas returning.

Anyone have a Wayta deck? Is it any fun?

>TQ
Mothman at #20,
Risona at #1765
Special mention for three dog here, bow wow

>>95855974
Do you get focused down by the whole table when you play her? I can't help but think that's what would end up happening with her.

>>95855974
>More damage when you turn sideways
>Breath of fresh air
Nigga please. I'm glad you like her, but she's not anything special or outside the box for Boros.

>>95856604
lightning is no one's favorite ff character so she compensates in mtg by being a lightning rod (lol) so she can get attention, that dirty whore

>>95856597
>Anyone have a Wayta deck?
I had one.
>Is it any fun?
Ehhh it's just enrage tribal with a doubler in the command zone. I thought it would be cool but it ended up being really disappointing.

Played it a couple of times and immediately took it apart.

>>95853120 (OP)
These are the only three decks I've been able to keep together. They're all pretty popular, but I literally can't find anything else that gives me the same amount of fun game after game.

Anyone have any recommendations?

>>95856601
>Mothman at #20
jesus how is he so high??? I didn't see enough rad counter support to think a deck would be viable

>>95856803
>rad counterr support
Proliferate is rad counter support, he's his own engine and all he really needs.

>>95856810
Yeah I thought of that but I also figured that having like 10 proliferates going each turn would've been kinda cringey/annoying

>>95856803
>evasive
>passively grows each turn
>is his own enabler
>combos with any mesmeric orb type of effect
I can't imagine why...

>>95856830
>combos with any mesmeric orb type of effect
I get why everyone runs it, but I don't care for the mill aspect of him at all. I just really like the poisoned/DoT aspect of rad counters. I was honestly super disappointed when I saw that rad counters milled people

>>95856967
He's just a mill commander that pumps himself insanely quick. Also the best colours for recursion, counterspells, and counter doublers.

>Make Bracket 3 decks
>Life is grand, every game is fun
>Make Bracket 4 deck
>Instantly Thoracles in every single game and I'm forced to only play the most cutthroat merciless control magic or every game ends because everybody else is rushing to get their combos out and are only holding up countermagic to allow their own combo to go through
I used to be the loudest faggot in the room mocking brackets and saying how nobody fucking cared, and now here I am realizing that they were chemo to the present cancer of the format.

>>95857074
this but with B2 vs B3
treating the gamechangers list as another banned list has been the best thing that happened to this format since the banning of jew lot, dockside and crypt

>>95857097
I should honestly make a Bracket 2 deck or two. I didn't even consider how much of a difference simply having /none/ of those cards in a deck can make.

>>95857109
well, my decks didn't really change that much which is only gravy but not seeing them on the other side of the table all the time is the real treat

anyone have that meme pic of bolas hitting with bolas or whatever it was. like using the cards to change the walker bolas to an equipment or something

>>95856447
>Plays the ultimate gigaslop goodstuff commanders
>Says literally anything else is slop
For fucks sake anon the proliferate Atraxa asks for more concessions in deckbuilding than fucking Tymna/Thrasios.
You are playing bigger slop than fucking Kinnan because even he has the "concession" of asking you to run some amount of fatties and a 2c identity.

I hate group hug retards so much even stax glueeaters are ok compared to them

>>95856597
My buddy has one and he loves it because he really enjoys the enrage mechanic. He seems to have fun playing it. Power level isn't super high but it can definitely do some nasty things like with a polyraptor for example

>>95857269
there is a group hug player in our pod who uses divine intervention when he's about to lose

>>95857304
thanks

>>95856793
Jolly balloon man if you are a chronic haste enjoyer like me

>>95857269
I just want to make frens and the gishath player said he'd leave me alone for a turn if I ramped him by 2 lands and gave him 3 cards

Never played in person and I have all four FF precons. Would I look like a fag if I went to my LGS with the Tidus deck straight out the box?

>>95857413
Yes everyone will be able to tell you're an FF tourist and rightfully shun you. Scurry back to your hole and convince your furry friends to play with you swine.

>>95857416
>He wants FF players convincing MORE furries to play this game
Posts make by 3/3 Elk

>>95857413
No, there's a lot of new players with FF so you would not even look out of the ordinary.

>>95857413
Yeah you'll fit right in, don't worry about it

>>95857269
Same. Focus them down first thing every time.

>>95857413
It's fine. Just sleeve up the deck and let them know you're playing the straight precon and everyone should get it.

>>95857413
on the contrary. you'll propably see some doctors, space marines and other UB way more and then there is that one weird anon who is playing some random "urza" guy from some never heard game

>>95857458
There you are with Urza again. Why not pick another character from magic, like Mabel the Funny Mouse or Hot Rod Harry from the recent Magic set Aetherdrift? If you hate UB so much, shouldn't you support the current Magic aesthetic?

>>95857458
good callback

>>95857269
always use the "gifts"they give you to kill them first

>>95857458
>urza
who???

>>95857413
Nah you're fine. Just do as >>95857451 says and maybe state it's your first time playing in person if you're nervous. Most people in person are chill and reasonable if you communicate normally. Have fun anon!
I got 2 of the FF precons and played them just as, and they were good fun. Tidus did a damn number on my group of gamechanger addicts. Who'd think if you proxy tutors in your deck just because they're expensive, it might not work out against even a modern precon.

According to Daniel Holt's article on FF commander (https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/crafting-commander-decks-for-final-fantasy), they originally were thinking of making the Warrior of Light as the commander for the FFXIV deck, and he was supposed to have a "choose a job" feature where you had to pick his abilities before the game even began and they stayed that way for the entire game, but they didn't go with it because its too complex. But honeslty, i feel like it could be fun if implemented right. Wouldn't surprise me if they try something like this in the future.

>>95857330
What's the typical Wincon for Balloon Boy? I was interested, but Boros is vanilla to me and the only wincons I can see is going infinite or looping with ETBs ala Kiki

>>95857413
protip: if someone on the table is helping you, kill him first

>>95857707
>whats the typical wincon
>I only found the typical wincon
huh?

>>95857590
>Choose a job feature
Fucking hell. That actually sounds like it would have been interesting so of course it didn't make it in.

>>95857707
I don't run any infinites, it's a versatile deck. Lots of etb value in white and red, and you can win through aggro too, duplicate the tokens or his ability and get multiple threefold thunder hulk's for example or boss's chaffeur

>>95857590
That sounds a lot more fun than what we got

>Slow as hell on their turn
>playing stax or a horribly slow/triggerhappy combo deck
>playing all the most salty and most expensive cards
I can't play with this kind of players in a pod, I can't talk because I don't want to slow the game down even further. I just sit there and are miserable for hours.

>>95855974
fun times ahead

>>95857590
Explains why it makes so many hero tokens compared to the other precons

>>95857832
>someone in playgroup built a brago deck they're so proud of and play every night
>no wincons just control/lockdown and ability doublers so he can flicker his entire board 8+ times each turn

Konami killed my format. Are there any self mill decks based on a holy light zealot aesthetic? Preferably with a big dragon boss.

>>95857907
Self mill? Idk maybe Telval?

>>95857871
it has the hero token commander and the hero tokens are all ff14 art, so it would anyway.

>>95857907
You were playing one of the alternative formats? Which errata hot your deck worst?

>>95857907
What format?

>>95857907
>self mill decks
>holy light zealot aesthetic
No self mill in magic is only for the evil/sinister/ugly kind of aesthetics.

>>95857907
what's a "boss"

>>95857924
Goyo Guardian and loss of priority on Judgment Dragon in Edison. Other people lost a lot more than I did but that had the effect of me losing the people I normally play with. Konami is an awful company and I want to have nothing to do with them anymore.
>>95857931
Edison which is a time locked past format. They put out official rules saying all official tournaments of this format will be played under completely different rules which make the format worse.
>>95857932
Man that sucks. I figured it would be difficult since Lightsworn have such a unique style compared to how they play. Thanks for letting me down gently. I'll do more research.
>>95857939
It's a monster your deck's engine is building up to. The payoff for your deck.

>>95857907
this fella

>>95857907
There isn't one really. You could probably play some of the usual human tribal guys and stick to cards from Innistrad and with church styles. But those have humans and sometimes angels as their big play makers. Nothing really like Judgment Dragon. Self mill is also sort of a bad guy or mixed thing.

>>95857982
>Konami is an awful company and I want to have nothing to do with them anymore.
Wizards of the Coast isn't much better, they are actively killing off formats with powercreep in the name of money. But coming from Yugioh you might feel right at home, except it's a $1000+ expense if you want to play competitively.

>>95857999
This is the closest you're going to get

>>95857982
>a monster your deck's engine is building up to
well this is EDH, there's a fair argument that it's either your commander or can't be your commander.

>>95858011
Sounds more like the bit monster in our case is an infinite combo, or creatures like Craterhoof Behemoth to end the game.

>>95857707
>retards dont know how to win the game unless the cards literally say win the game
Grim

>>95857891
>no wincon he just stops us from being able to do anything!
Sounds like a wincon to me... scoop dipshit or are you a WAAC fag who refuses to admit hes lost?

>"do I look like some lowly black mage soldier?"

Uh, yeah, he does actually. What's this guy's deal?

>>95858032
>scoop dipshit
I do. Then I browse my phone for an hour waiting for the game to wrap up.
This is my playgroup, not a random pod at the lgs.

>>95857413
Unless they are sweaty faggots, people usually go down to precon level to try and match you if you're new. Most people don't want to scare away potential players at their lgs, or make them just sit there and not be able to play with them.

>>95858049
He's a slightly more powerful than average black mage soldier

>>95858049
>FFIX gets a dozen literally whos as legendary creatures
>no Warrior of Light or Onion Knight cards
truly baffling

>>95858049
He's a slightly more powerful than average black mage soldier with wings that directly caused one of the first emotional scenes of FF9 so people attach a lot of sentimentality to him.
He is pretty cool though.

>>95857982
Going to be honest with you anon, Konami isn't great but they're probably better than Wizards. Only reason why I play this more than Yu-Gi-Oh these last years is because more of my friends can play at once since this is a four player format. But yeah, at least here you probably won't see any erratas effecting the core way a bunch of cards play for no fucking reason like Konami did with those. Commander is sort of like that one virtual world season with Noah and Deckmasters. Think of it more like that. You won't find something exactly like Lightsworns but there are some cool ideas you can play around with.

>>95858080
>no Warrior of Light or Onion Knight cards
Pretty bold of you to call any character a literally who when the "legendary creatures" you want don't even have names.

>>95858080
To be fair I actually thought this alt was fitting for warrior of light, but I agree, he should have gotten a mechanically unique card

>>95858092
Black Waltz No. 3 also isn't a name

>>95858049
Black Mages in 9 are an artificial slave race.
The Black Waltz are like premium slaves in charge of the other lesser slaves.

>>95858106
Oh, is that they they look they way they do? Like Vivi?

>>95858115
Yeah.

>>95857413
No anon, you'd look like a fag because you spent hundreds of dollars on a game you don't play because it has an IP you recognize on it.

>>95858094
>plastered all over promotional material
>not even in the main set
I'm not even a FF fag but what the hell is their problem? It's completely disingenuous, like having jurassic park advertised on ixalan set boosters when it's actually an abysmally low chance of pulling one

>>95858152
there were definitely some jewy little marketing calculations going on that determined the mathematically "perfect" number of representatives for each game. And also Gavin coming in and saying "PUT IT ALL ON IX."

>>95858152
You mean like how they white people on the box art for lotr and theme everyone was black?

>>95858080
This is the biggest offender to me, Gogo already had a commander deck card, what the fuck did this character do to deserve a mythic slot?

>>95858201
I think this is the guy that was someone on the designs team favorite

>>95855220
>if you don't like UB slop you'ra a bot
Spoken like a true NPC

>>95858152
he's on a draft chaff removal spell so it's okay actually

Anyone run Shalai? Is it as cringe as Ojer Axonil?

>>95858223
It's even cringier than ojer

>>95858223
Any time I see this commander its always some turbo combo faggotry that kills the table on turn 3 or 4 if it resolves.

>>95858223
the only person I know who plays Shalai and Halar is an actual tranny

>>95858080
As people have already pointed out several times, the WoL is not even a real character, he was made up for dissidia, which is probably why he didn't get a card. The blog post they made today >>95857590 says that they were considering adding the XIV WoL over him because the XIV WoL at least is an actual character

>>95858266
>this blank slate "representative" protagonist called the Warrior of Light is fine
>this other one isn't

>>95858279
Only one of them was actually in the game they were meant to be representing, the other was made up for a spin-off

>>95857590
>but they didn't go with it because its too complex
How the FUCK would it be complex?
>choose your job
>okay that's what you get for this game
????????? Just how fucking braindead is the average player???

>>95858290
so why is he on a card if he's just made up and doesn't deserve his own creature card >>95858220

>>95856421
Because SPACE right now is HOT among nerds who think that Fantasy is boring and cliche BUT Fantasy IN SPAAACE is exciting and new!

Basically WOTC being timely as ever by seeing Mass Effect and Marvelshit was super popular 5+ years ago and throwing their hat into the ring at the very asses end of the ass end of the nerd fad. Same reason why Strixhaven came out in 2021 only a mere 10 years after the last Harry Potter movie dropped and why Duskmourne was 8! years after the peak Stranger Things mania.

You will see your favorite planeswalkers in Space Suits and you will buy the Astronaut Loot plushie!

Looking to make a Polymorph deck, any recommendations on commanders? I was thinking Baral and Kari or Rograkh + Thrasios.
I wanted to make Tellah but he seems pretty high CMC to be a reliable polymorph-target creator.
Is it worth going for a pseudo tribal theme with the polymorph payoffs, such as a dragon subtheme with Lathliss, Utvara Hellkite, ect?

>>95858311
and somehow Lazav will also be there

>someone mentioned a Y'shtola deck that engines into just repeatedly casting manarocks
>121 cards where the color identity ≤ BUW and it’s legal in Commander and the card is tagged “manarock” and the mana value = 3
Okay this is actually kinda tempting. It would in no way be viable/competitive but damn does it sound funny

>>95858291
They learned with the Eldrazi Incursion precon that most people are indeed retarded.

Looking to Mardu, who do I go with?

>>95857590
Thank God they didnt do this. Dogshit UB product gets enough unique design as is.

>>95858341
Piru

>>95858324
Doesn't sound very funny at all you're just an FFfag
>>95858341
Kroxa

>>95858375
Just tell them to proxy with a $ budget and no gay shit (Thorcle)

>>95858341
Piru and hold the table hostage

>>95857590
They could have just made him have something like
>Partner with Job Select
and
>When WoL enters, he gains the abilities of all Job Select cards on the battlefield or in the Command Zone

>>95858400
see >>95858389

>>95858407
Alternatively, just give him the ability to tutor and attach any equipment from your deck with the "job select" keyword upon etb

>>95858440
I thought about that, but since part of the strategy is tokens I figured him just gaining the abilities and the tokens keeping their equipment fit the theme better.

>>95858311
>ecause SPACE right now is HOT among nerds who think that Fantasy is boring and cliche
Based on fucking what exactly? The resurgence of space films and record interest in IPs like Star Wars? Fuck off.

>>95858291
The average players IQ has been brought down with the UBslop faggots roaming in, but the average UBslop faggot IQ is dismal.

>>95856601
HTREEEE DAWWWGGG actually seems pretty cool, I might build him if/when I take apart my light paws deck

>>95856421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KysITV4t5E

>>95858201
I can pretend he's the boss from 5 at least.

Where's their commander set precon?

I found them both thank God. They've been missing for like a month

I just had some awesome games with the bros. Won all three, broke my losing streak. Last game with Myrel I attacked for 100+ on turn 6. Felt so good.

>>95858846
I'm happy for you, genuinely

Why is the 1 cost islandcycler from LOTM a draw spell and not a creature unlike every other card in the cycle

I can't stop making Esper and Mardu decks, for some reason they always have the most interesting commanders for me

>>95858882
LOTR, rather.

>>95858884
Mardu has the most interesting commanders in the format for sure. Jund has some good shit too. I've only played a bit of Esper and it didn't really sit right with me. What do you like about it?

>>95858901
My go-to esper commander is Sefris, and i think she represents everything i like about it, casting spells on other people's turns, playing a bit of control, some graveyard bullshit. Its probably the most ideal 3-color combination for control. I don't have a jund deck, but i probabyl should. I have a bunch of "big creatures matter" cards lying around

>>95858884
>>95858901
>3c shit
Its not the 00s anymore. Three color is training wheels magic

>>95858884
I hate go wide and tokens, so I kinda hate Mardu. What are your favorite Mardu commanders at the moment?

I'm leaning towards Muscle, but it seems like you can go infinite with him pretty easily, so may not be best for my bracket 3 pods.

>>95858959
I love Awaken the Blood Avatar but yeah, its go wide tokens, which i do like to play

>>95858976
I was intrigued by Blood Avatar for a group slug theme, but it seems like they can just sac the tokens or just not attack. Goad seems to be the play, but I couldn't find a consistent enough way to do that

>>95858938
I only play 2-color decks (mostly because I only play budget decks nowadays) and I hate black (playing it, playing against it, its aesthetic, everything). Mardu and Jund just have a ton of fun/cool stuff.

>>95858884
i like esper for the pleasing color palette

it also makes me feel the most like a rogue wizard

>>95858990
Blood Avatar is cool because its a sac outlet in the command zone, you just amass tokesn and sacrifice them all to the avatar over and over, making more and more avatars who you can populate for massive attack triggers that drain everyone even more on top of the aristocrats effects you probably already have

>>95858998
What's your favorite color(s)

>>95859008
I like playing Gruul. Big creatures, big spells, plays fast and loose, doesn't have "easy" interaction to deal with other big threats.

>>95859067
Based
You sound similar to me. I prefer dual color decks and my least favorite color in mtg is black. Most of my decks have red

>>95858969
Why piss? Rakdos is fun, just don't go infinite. Gay hat is gay tho

Why has slaughter spiked 1000% in the past month? Are people finally taking the chevillepill?

>>95859156
probably some scumfuck influencer/toober talked about it to no end

>>95859156
>4 mana
Geeeee I wonder WHY

>>95859156
Triggers the required 4 life loss to get a card with Y'shtola repeatedly, while also costing enough to gain you 2 of the life back.

>>95859199
I don't understand

>>95859199
>life*

>>95859209
see >>95859206

>>95859206
naruhodo, I gotta go raid the local store bulk bins for the rest

>>95859209
FF fags ruining the secondary market

>go to lgs for casual commander
>all final fantasy cards sold out
>all packs sold out
>play some games
>no one has any FF cards besides precons
pokemon scalpers are in full force. imagine licensing the most popular set of all time and not printing enough product. gg wotc. what a bunch of idiots.

Is there a BG cycling payoff commander? Similiar to how Sefris triggers off of cycling and reanimates the cycling creatures. Viconia + Cloakwood Hermit has similar synergy but with massively inferior payoff.

>>95859291
>BG
how do you feel about dredge?

>>95859307
I've got a lot of bulk trash cards with cycling and not a lot of dredge cards so I don't like it. I guess Izoni is also a payoff of a sorts.

>>95859291
>Similiar to how Sefris triggers off of cycling
Huh. Is that how people normally build her? I'm making a list right now and it's mostly stuff with "{T}: draw a card, discard a card" instead. Is there that much cycling support in esper?

>>95859341
Sefris is actually really amazing because you can build her anyway you want. Aristocrats, self-mill, cycling are all valid.

>>95859341
Cycling is in all colors. I run some cycling in my sefris deck but it's not all cycling. It's mainly a dungeons deck because I liked the idea of doing an unpopular mechanic

>>95859291
Nigga just run Zur so you can have Astral Slide in the command zone

>>95859363
I know cycling itself is in all colors, I meant other cards that say "when you cycle a card, get (bonus)". If there's a lot of Astral Slide stuff then holy shit I gotta start over cuz a lot of the venture triggers are ETB

>>95858633
Its fun, but it really is feast or famine, at least with my deck list.

>>95859379
cycling counts as discard for permanents with discard triggers too

I don't LIKE final fantasy. I don't CARE about edge of eternities. I want Spider-Man! I want Avatar! I want more Tarkir! Now now now now now!

>>95859290
Maybe the set isn’t actually that popular if no one has any fucking cards?

>>95859465
>Maybe the set isn’t actually that popular if no one has any fucking cards?
lol. lmao even.

>>95859290
Sounds like a murica scalper problem. There seem to be more than enough boosters and stuff over here in my europoor lgs.

>>95859465
The fucking cope

are more cards going to get dumped on sites as official release hits tomorrow? some cards i'm seeing as low as 20 listings

Does it suck now?

>>95859679
Yes, this happens every set. I don't even look at prices/availability until 2-3 weeks after a set releases

>>95853120 (OP)
I don't need to deal with powercreep for I am all creatures (except commanders in the zone).

>play bracket 4 because my deck involves land destruction as a win con
>the bracket is just a bunch of tier 2 cedh decks

>>95859540
ahh interesting. ya here its every indian and their grandma are loading up on switch 2s and FF shit for facebook market place flipping.

Magic then: 5/5 for 6 and you liked it
Magic now: 7/7 for 5, unplayable trash

>>95859963
The consequence of endless powercreep

Should I run Gargaroth in my lifegain deck or my tokens deck?

>>95859518
>>95859558
>OMG THE BIGGEST SET EVER, WE SOLD A KABAJILLION DOLLARS WORTH!!!!!
>all of it went to retarded investors
>no one is buying from them
>no one has any cards
If people cared they would buy. But they don't, so they don't. Simple as that.

>>95858969
I have a rakdos muscle deck, if you build him as a primary theft deck with ones like Jasper flint and traitor spells he's mostly moderated by the power of the table and at least with the players I've had in my pods they seem to enjoy it. both the new Gonti and Tibalt are in it as well.
It's quite fun to take someone's voltron commander, smack them in the face with it and then sac it to play 6 cards from someone elses deck.

*enters*
*goes infinite*

>>95860021
The fucking cope continues

>>95860082
Built for goblins and Mardu flicker...

>>95860037
>It's quite fun to take someone's voltron commander, smack them in the face with it and then sac it
oh hi lol you've just described my Kediss/Falthis Threaten Tribal deck

>>95860037
>>95860104
hi yes I'm playing karn, I gave him to you already. btw in response I ping him.

>>95860114
*kharn
I'm retarded

>>95860082
built for leotards

>>95860089
The marketing continues
>no trust us guys Final Fantasy is a billion dollar smash hit and everyone loves it!!! uh no we can't show the numbers. no we can't actually point to where all the stock supposedly went even though game stores don't seem to have it. uh scalpers yeah thats it!!!!

>>95860128
Coomette fixed this

Enough is enough. Fucker the pod broke the no game changers rule, spent six hundred dollars on his deck. I just proxied a CDEH deck on printer paper with no red, so the entire deck looks yellow. Fuck you all. You can pay to win if you want but if you expect me to pay six hundred dollars for the sweatiest deck that I don't even enjoy playing you can fuck right off. I will play proxies CDEH until you agree to stay in bracket two where our pod belongs.

>>95860082
>white woman

>>95860153
buy an ad, no one wants your shit here

>>95860128
we can pretend the leotard is the army uniform and the amano outfit is what she wears after world 2 happens.

>together forget
>But they're not together forever

>>95860179
>he didn't play the sequel

>>95860163
Actually more people want it here than not, just wait till my mail arrives on Saturday

>>95860170
if I was a mad empire I would absolutely enforce a strict leotards-only policy for female uniforms

>>95860186
been nearly 3 months since anyone posting anything you retarded faggot

>>95860082
I will build a knight tribal with her no matter how ineffective it is.

>>95860196
Huh?

>>95860196
someone posted a hashaton I thought was generated like trash two or so weeks ago.

>>95860196
Gotta make my own, to open a shop, to sell to buy some more of his.

>>95858860
>with Myrel I attacked for 100+ on turn 6
Mathematically impossible

underrated?

>>95860369
costs 3/10

>>95860369
No this is

>>95860388
Play em' both

>bears are 2/2s
>a random peasant from eldraine is stronger

>>95860416
well he's, like, a giant peasant.

People are critical of this but it's basically meren in g/w, I like it

are any of these 3rock mana sinks good?

>>95860447
she cute but we need type reform

>>95860447
heroes' reunion playable for flavor.

>>95860448
if you're on bracket 2 yes many of them can be good
the celestus being a notable one if it weren't such a pain in the ass to track day and night

>>95860458
Actually based

>>95860448
You tell me anon; are blowing through these effects at sorcery speed for 6 and then 3 worth more than tapping for colorless?

Generally dungeon support needs some speed that you're not getting out of walking in at 3.

>>95860493
I need my playgroup to allow me to use baldur's gate wilderness...

>>95853789
>Go to prerelease
>Multiple people who are just starting or have been playing for half a year in anticipation of final fantasy
>Excited to stomp and get free packs
>First two games are against long time players
I still won, but damn i kinda got mad that i didn't get an easy win from retardos who don't even know the rules. A guy next to me in a match used ultima to field wipe despite him clearly being ahead on board.

>>95858171
>And also Gavin coming in and saying "PUT IT ALL ON IX."
>75% of the set is XIV
yeah that shit pissed me off

>>95860184
>he didnt read the after after story where Sin comes back, they go back in time, and Tidus kicks a mine thinking its a blitzball and dies then in grief Yuna coalesces his pyreflies as a ghost then realizes her grief and lets him go again

>>95858171
>PUT IT ALL ON IX
What does this even mean

>>95860525
damn

>>95860447
I just played against this today and I need it. I've always been searching for my ideal Kami of False Hope/Spore Frog deck and I think this is it.

>>95853395
>>95853350
I would need to see the cards but a Nazgul deck at 500 is not horrible. Even if you have them at their cheapest moxfield list the nine Nazgul coming out to $134, if he has the same cheapest printing listed nine time. That's just a tenth of the deck. Another $100 for land in dimir. It's not fair to compare it to a $50 deck when just the Nazgil Mace and Knife (Shadowspear) are over $50 together. I can see a Nazgul deck getting to $500 without being anything crazy other then a few flavorful things, like Shadowspear. If the deck is just filled with the best most expensive counters so he can pump out 'Gul on everyone else turn then that is more of a problem. But for the most part a Lord of Nazgul deck should only be proxied because of how crazy the price is for a deck that will never get to do it's thing because no one will ever let the commander hit the table.

>switch moxfield to list prices on TCGplayer
>collection shrinks to 1/3 the value

>>95860537
Ooh now that's an interesting idea

>>95853350
>>95853367
>friend often complains about power of my decks
>runs 2 card infinite combos and stuff like bolas citadel against bracket 2 decks
but he also has the lowest win rate so nobody says anything.

>>95860596
It's been floating around in my head for a while now

My LGS commander league has a special points system for meeting certain objectives… two of which are “kill opponents with exact lethal” and “in one turn, deal 6 or more damage to opponents and gain 6 life”

Any commander that can fit both of these?

>>95860752
my girl dina

>>95860752
Is it "deal *at least* 6 damage and gain *at least* 6 life"? Or deal/gain exactly 6? Cuz Piru obviously for the 2nd one if it's "at least"

>>95860752
pump slimefoot the stowaway's power to the required amount and sacrifice a lot of saprolings

>>95860765
It’s at least for both

>>95860782
lol Piru is EZ Mode, then

>>95860782
this card here >>95860458 gains you exactly seven life.

more seriously, let me introduce you to a card known as "loxodon warhammer," it was in precons a few times early on.

It's been a long time since I've played IX but Walmart had 3x play booster packs and I pulled this. Does the bug in the art appear in game or was it something the artist added?

>Ward - Lose the game
I'm glad we don't have to worry about hexproof anymore that was too oppressive and uninteractive

>>95860810
It's an in-game enemy
That card is extremely valuable by the way

>>95860810
there is a ladybug enemy (also a friendly version of it) in the game

>>95860810
It's an Oglop, a recurring bug that provides comedic relief, and that specific one is when Regent Cid is turned into an Oglop.

>>95860743
Unfortunately this specific card doesn't work with her in much the same way mobilize doesn't trigger barrenstep, if the condition isn't met prior to the end step the trigger doesn't occur or even go on the stack.

>>95860826
>$100 during pre-sale
>extremely valuable

What color combination has the worst vehicle commander support? Abzan is at the top of the list for sure but who else is terrible? Naya?

>>95860860
Black/green? Red/White has incredible support, dunno about blue

>>95860850
not him, but I just assumed he will run that card as redundancy

>>95860854
Yes, and?

>>95860860
>>95860871
blue has a bunch of artifact tutors to help find whichever vehicle you need right away. golgari has to be it

>>95860878
That and it's the card that spawned the idea

How do I build a lifelink pingers deck

>>95860923
Impossible

>>95860923
Include all the "when you gain life, they lose life" cards

>>95860925
Assume that I’m smart enough to know you’re lying, but retarded enough to not know which rakdos commander to pick to do this properly

https://archidekt.com/decks/13437419/kefka_madness_max

alright, closer to final iteration

pulled foil yoshi art Kefka

>>95860935
judith

>>95860935
Tor wakui the younger or Judith are really your only options
I guess you could try boros? Idk who you would pick though.

>>95860923
What does this mean

I love Dina but I'm too small-brained to keep track of her triggers

Who's building mom

>>95861021
I had some fun with her in draft, I was going to build her for brawl but then realized the best support for her is Fallout

>>95861027
You'll get more support in the marvel set.

>>95861027
monogreen simic

>>95861027
Ew

>>95861053
and the space set

>>95861021
I pulled one, but she might do me better in the 99 of my Xavier Sal mutate and duplicate deck.

>>95861021
She absolutely carried me through the prerelease and I ended up opening 3 copies total, but I just don't play golgari in commander.

>>95860810
oh shit that’s cid. actually I wish they had oglop cid. or a ff9 precon. that’d have been pretty cool.

>Loot
I sleep
>Pompom-chan
Now we're talking

>>95860360
>turn 2 rock
>turn 3 Myrel
>turn 4 Goldnight Commander, attack make 2 tokens
>turn 5 cast Metallic Mimic, attack make 5 tokens, pass holding flawless maneuver
>turn 6 attack

>>95860979
that’s how I feel about celes. I wish wotc actually made fun cards instead of just everything is power crept x on a stick.

Jenova might low tier be a vehicles commander?

What is the more "iconic" vampiric tutor, or demonic tutor?

>>95861127
demonic

>>95860179
what the fuck was tidus anyway? like wasn’t he sort of a ghost… but basically the ghost spirit of a bunch of dead dreaming people? i have no fucking idea what’s going on in that story.

>>95860505
I should play a game with that one time, my playgroup would be cool with it

>>95861119
Sure why not

>>95861135
it's interestingly the only dungeon that can go truly infinite, as all others would require you to damage/mill yourself if you somehow had an infinite ETD

>>95861127
that’s not even a real question and you know it. just looking at this fucking guy gave 80s moms satanic panic.

>>95860493
We are inevitably getting a new Baldur's Gate set in the future because BG3 was such a massive sucess and most of it wasn't represented in the first set, and when we do it wouldn't shock me if they made this legal in commander specifically

>>95861127
Vampiric Tutor is literally named after Demonic Tutor

>Golbez, Crystal Collector
>the Blue and Black Crystals dont help his gameplan whatsoever

>>95861148
Meant to quote >>95860505, talking about Baldur's Gate Wilderness

>>95861148
Universed beyond set about D&D universes beyond. Eberron, Planescape, Ravenloft, Dragonlance, Greyhawk all in one set. And a single card for Dark Sun that says fuck drumpft.

>>95861158
I'd be down with it. Honestly, Forgotten Realms doesn't even feel like UB.

>>95861119
>low tier
did... did you mean 'low key'?

>>95861171
I meant low key but low tier is also accurate.

Fun FACT outlaws prove that we need creature type consolidation.

>>95861132
That's pretty much the jist of it.He's a dream person projected into an endless projection of the lost city of Zanarkand made by a bunch of soul batteries made by their king, now a mad rampaging kaiju. He got dragged out of the dreaming city and into the 'real' world when Sin attacked Zanarkand.

That's why when Sin is destroyed and the fayth are released from their dreaming into the afterlife, he disappears into the farplane too; like his father and Zanarkand, he was never real beyond being a spirit dreamed up by the fayth.

I don't know shit about X2 so don't ask me about that.

Someone should make a site that sells pre-cut paper proxies for real cheap.

>>95861142
It really didn't, it's more the name than the artwork.
Also Wizards are the ones who panicked about it, nipping the card name in the bud until the company got big enough they didn't give a shit anymore.
ALSO Vampiric Tutor is a little more famous because of certain combo decks preferring it.

>>95859465
>>95859290
Nah it's the scalpers, people want the cards but more people want them to resell them at higher prices

>>95861213
>ALSO Vampiric Tutor is a little more famous because of certain combo decks preferring it.
you're a retard lmao

>>95861192
Hard disagree, I'd like more support for a wide variety of different types,

>>95861219
It's true.

>>95861208
Proxies, or counterfeits?

best black card to exploit this?

>>95861255
Literally anything????

>>95861243
they're all rogues
rogue
rogue warrior
rogue cleric
rogue wizard

>>95861255
Ophiomancer

>cast vow of malice on kotis
heh nothin personnel..

My best pull from my most recent bulk bin diving.

>>95861021
one of my favorite designs theyve done

>>95861021
She needs Partners with Mayor Marcus

>>95855877
I'm sorry, but there's nothing we can do about your extra chromosome.

>>95860186
post what you get im wondering if there are any new bonuses yet

>>95861152
It do be that way. On the other hand at least we got Matoya, Archon Elder for nonstop drawing with card selection.

Played Golbez at my LGS today for the first time, I really love the playstyle and won 3/5 games. Only lost to Odric once (man stomped all over me the turn before I could try to set up a win) and Light-Paws. 3-man pod, but had a lot of fun. The real kickjer was the last game against a Mono-Red Clive deck where I played Chains of Mephistopheles and the guy literally couldn't use any wheels.

I love this big bitch like you wouldn't believe.

>>95861192
I like outlaws. A good solution to a non issue

>>95861192
Official sea monster type batching WHEN

>>95861294
>3/5 colors can still block him
Cool

>>95861463
Thank you for reminding me to trade this in for packs. Gay nigga card lmao

>>95861472
4/6

Love this nigga.

>>95861205
oof thanks that’s kind of depressing. I love how wild the stories are game to game. I really have to play the newer ones some day.

>>95861537
What final fantasy is he from?

>>95861537
Same. I have two decks of both him and Kin to All, best dragon in the set.

>>95861255
Easy.

>>95861471
This is the only one i actually really want because the cards currently read like shit. Just make a Sea supertype already, wizards

>>95861630
>>95861243
>>95861192
>>95861471
there should be both individual tribe themes and support as well as "supertribe" themes and support.
outlaws have support, but also assassins pirates, rogues, mercenaries, and warlocks individually have support.
everything on whelming wave -or leviathan but merfolk already have tribe support- should have some kind of support as a group, but also as individual types. for "sea monsters" that's harder because the lines between krakens stuff is less defined.

>>95861596
There's a lot that FF gets its dick sucked too hard on, but there was a time when FF was literally the trend-setting story-writers in JRPGs. That's fallen off some, but a lot of it comes more from other developers being inspired to tell wilder stories rather than any fault of their own. Even XIII which was somewhat lambasted for being linear corridors to cut-scenes developed a following based on having an inventive world.

Having a reason to explore the old games-- some again, some for the first time-- has been a real treat from this set.

Of course I can say this in part because my favorite commander is an equipment one and I was fucking spoiled by the set list too.

>>95861537
hate this

>>95861021
sorry mom, you're going in the 99 of a far less inspired commander

>>95857843
Pretty much the case for any red non-combat damage deck to have him and/or Torbran in them.
>Played a game with friends last weekend using my Purphoros deck with Purp, Ojer and Torbran on board
>Forced to Chaos Warp my Goblin Welder so it doesn’t get exiled from PoE
>Hit Myr Battlesphere ending the game on the spot

>>95861887
You do know Ojer and Torbran are redundant there, right? The affected player decides the order of replacement effects, so they just change it to Ojer's power. Which is still pretty good and might win games.

>>95860923
Go on Scryfall advanced search commander white black keywords "gain life". Go nuts.

https://moxfield.com/decks/DoPj593pwkyB35rsQgYabA
https://moxfield.com/decks/JWu8ewdvnUyqDq2OzegWAQ
which of these two $1 shitboxes would perform the best against precons or precons with small upgrades?

>>95861192
No bro you just don't understand there are HUGE differences between Warrior Knight Soldier Scout Berserker Ranger Mercenary Rebel Barbarian and Archer. It doesn't matter that if you covered up the creature type and asked someone to guess what type the card was based on the art and mechanics alone that they'd get it wrong in most cases, it's really important to seperate these cards to avoid creating a super duper powerful tribe. Magic is all about balance and ensuring there's no such thing as a super powereD tRibe thAt Gets tONS of support and exists in all five colors and basically can do everything in the game.

>>95861918
I know that but said friends didn’t. I only corrected them afterwards because they wanted the Purph game over and done with

Huh they've finally added a few partner commanders to Arena thanks to FIN

>>95861918
I vehemently hate that stupid fucking ruling, and wish to beat whoever made it to death.

>>95861021
This looks like a fixed Gitrog Ravenous Ride to me. That card got cucked constantly by needing to attack and hit somebody.

>>95861918
>you ALWAYS have them both
>you should NEVER EVER have redundancy in your deck

>>95861027
Wow there really are almost no mutants
Also this is awful

>>95862218
Wait for Mahvel

>>95862284
The spiderman set?
We are not getting a non spiderman marvvell set.

>>95862286
yes anon spiderman is part of marvel and thus the statement is factual

>>95862165
this but unironically

>>95862298
Factual but kinda dogshit

great mutant right here

>>95861537
I hate this FIRE bullshit like you wouldn't believe. Dragons are shittiest creature type and if you play them you're shit.

This might be the best abzan vehicles commander (outside of some random partner pair)

>>95862165
My point is to clear up a misunderstanding about the ruling, anon. Redundancy in the deck is good. But thinking it'd deal more damage is simply wrong unless your opponent is ignorant.

>>95861463
Hey I got that in the mail last night

>>95862135
i heard of an explanation that this is because of the nature of a multiplayer game, which i found somewhat sensible - what if multiple people ran damage doublers?
that being sad, this situation never occured to me once, fuck this shit.
its not like I can decide how damage form a trampling creature is assigned

>>95862462
>what if multiple people ran damage doublers?
We already have a solution for that, used for triggers: active player then non-active player (turn order for 3+ players).

>>95861027
Jenova makes them mutants anyway there's no point to use actual mutants.

>>95862544
she makes 1 mutant a turn when you could be sacrificing more than one

>>95862544
I think she can be run without any actual mutants because like you said she makes them mutants. But she does work with all mutants

>>95860969
A deck that has lots of pingers and somehow also gains lifelink

>>95860969
PINGAS

>>95862654
>Soul Sisters + Impact Tremors
That's incredibly retarded, but by God just might work

>>95862392
No i dont think thats true in fact he seems quite bad at it considering vehicles aren't creatures unless crewed.

>open collector box
>5 mythics
>3 of which are commanders, 2 are borderless non foil, 1 of which is the XIV backup commander in regular art non foil
>Surge Tifa (Landfall) and Foil Sephiroth (the black one, good hit)
>A total of 6 rares that are worth more than £5

genuinely the hardest i have ever been hit opening any MTG product. Laugh at me.

>>95862876
cant laugh. I still got a sealed box which I will rip on sunday with my bros. pain doesnt hurt as much when its shared.

>box wont come till next friday
aiiieee

I see its the goodest goy consumer hour right now

>poorfags being bullied out of the thread
truth be told I'm not happy with the current situation. I still see people who clearly cant afford the hobby to waste their free gibs on boxes they shouldnt own. wotc should reduce the print run with the upcoming sets.

>>95863001
you are so cool for not liking things
can i please PLEASE suck your cock

Are there good, easy phone apps for making commander decks?

>>95863019
>if you dont like my poorly designed dogshit with bad art and terrible mechanics it means you like NOTHING
What a weird assumption! I dont like this set, as its bad, and its bringing in a lot of terrible players with bad mindsets. Dogshit cope for a niggerbrained retard

>>95863040
manabox is pretty much THE mtg app these days.

>>95863040
Just use mocksfield

>>95863040
I use archidekts website. It's pretty good on mobile

>>95862392
>vehicles
dont fall for it

>>95862875
Dummy, with vehicles you can hit his triggers with ease. Vehicles are usually undercosted, so hitting 40 is piss easy.

>>95862383
Lathiel is a way better lifegain aggro deck. Betor is totally different.

I wish there were more cards like this man.

>>95863321
But you need to crew all of them for them to count for his triggers

I ordered her cards, now how do I build a EDH deck? What should I proxy? What should I buy?

>>95863353
Hey retard, crewed Vehicles can crew other vehicles, and then Betor has an untap trigger. The average UBfaggot IQ is really dumbing this place down.

>>95863321
Again.... vehicles are only creatures when crewed

>>95863402
>ellipses
Good trolling, 6/10

>>95863405
Thats not an ellipses retard learn to count.

>the price of a collector boosters is $80
>The price of a set booster box is roughly $200
>Two collector boosters nearly the price of a set booster box

Which one is better value for money

>>95863448
What set? Either way never collectors boosters you're literally paying extra for damaged (foiled) cards

>>95863454
Final Fantasy

>>95863458
Liar set boosters dont exist.

>>95863468
You can get them on TCGplayer right now

>>95863476
You absolutely cannot as set boosters do not exist.

>>95863484
Play boosters whatever

>>95863493
Ya that changes nothing only dipshit retards buy collectors

>>95863412
Your troll score is dropping D:

>>95863572
>(three dots)
Count the dots please anon

>>95863600
one and one third elipses

>>95863604
this anon got scammed

>>95863353
Yes. Exactly. Vehicles are actually the most efficient way to trigger his abilities. Creatures that crew don't lose their toughness lmao

>>95863402
Medically or clinically retarded?

>>95863633
>actually if I need TWICE the amount of setup its more efficient
No lol

>>95863640
Neither ^.^ much smarter than you infect as you've clearly not thought this out at all. It's evident you had a quick thought, didnt analyze it, and your ego won't let you drop it

>>95863633
>vehicles
>efficient
yeah let me play a card type that relies on other creatures to be efficient, instead of just playing the card type with huge toughness from the get go

Don't feel too bad, it's not a collector booster box, it's just a commander deck

Someone in the warehouse tried opening it but then realised you can't open it without tearing the cardboard

I will proxy all FF cards

>>95863683
>I will proxy dogshit
Weird choice.

>>95862876
>Buying a collector box
I know you are 2 weeks past due on rent and maxxed out your credit cards

>>95863699
Proxied dogshit smells less than real dogshit. True story.

>>95863683
/who/sisters not welcome!

>>95863600
Run it through a compression algorithm

>>95863867
>/who/sisters not welcome!

>>95863683
No issue as long as you use better art

So when will WotC finally admit (and when will you finally realize) that they have had some kind of printing issue and didn’t actually print that much FF and used “best selling set of all time!!!!” as a marketing smokescreen?

>wowzers FF sold so well!!!!
>okay where is it then? Because it’s not in stores
>uhhhh scalpers!!!!
>how the fuck did scalpers get product but WPN stores didn’t?
>uhh- I uhhhh- BEST SELLING SET OF ALL TIME!!!!

>>95863905
Why admit it?
They don't care how much they sell. It was never about that. What they care about is making it look good for brain dead "vibes" based investors.
Could they make MORE money, say, returning to print to demand lairs? Yes. But investors prefer the "OMG SOLD OUT INSTANTLY" even if it is worse.
They'll do whatever makes brain dead idiots with stocks happy

>>95863366
honestly just do mardu humans tribal imho. put in whatever you like that has 3 power or less. this set has a ton of great legendary humans. power it up with random staples or just call it a 2 and go all out random ff crap. if you want something a bit more powerful just do aristocrats. either way i think is fun.

>>95863649
>>95863663
You get more p/t for less mana. Not saying it's good, but the math checks out and is technically more efficient cost wise

>>95863920
Id love you to explain it anon. How does “the best selling set of all time” launch with WPN stores saying they didn’t even get allocated as much product as they did for Tarkir? Where did it go anon? Where did the product go if not to the WPN stores?

How is this bracket 4?
https://archidekt.com/decks/13437419

>>95863937
some dude at the print factory was taking them all. He will roll up to an LGS in 7 months and try to sell 3 million dollars in FF singles.

>>95863966
You can click the bracket to get an explanation.
Also the infinite combo of your commander and the crawler

>>95864006
>a single card can make a bracket 1 deck into a bracket 4 deck
This is how you know it's a shit system.

>>95853128
MLD is never as fun as i think it will be and most decks simply play around it with mana artifact and treasure spam, but i guess I'd make something boros so I could run Armageddon, blood moon and all the other good stuff. No commander stands out off the top of my head, it would need to be low cost and not die easily

>>95864006
I don't think

>5 crawler, 5 kefka, 8 flip
is an early game combo

But obliterate is a finisher, it's not designed to deny lands, it's used to clear boards and keep enchantments while dancing mad kefka kills them with their own spells. hell, they might die to bloodchief right out off the bat. also, it's style/flavor.

>>95853505
Every single WotC story now is burger king kids club diversity squad full of troons and gays unite to defeat the big bad at the end, after experiencingsome minor discomfort, but nothing really too terrible. Every set now has this plot. Wokes can't write good stories because they're too focused on ticking checkbox diversity quotas and not offending anyone.

>>95864034
It's not but some of the sites are a little weird about them.

>>95864057
Oh yes, also they are cosplaying in different themed hats that match the plane they're on.

>>95864031
i have a brenard deck that can make lands in to creatures so their wipes will lose them the game

>>95864019
>show up to fist fight with a gun
>wtf a single tool can make this fight into a murder? Shit system
>bracket 1
>with a 2 card "infinite" in the command zone
You're just retarded anon thats okay :)

>>95864211
>plays with UB
>retarded
But we repeat ourselves.

if you angleshoot the good system imma mald and keep saying it's good

Magic has never had any good stories. They were always bad.

>>95864275
someone on /tg/ said the original urza novels were good even for science fantasy adventure stuff.

>>95864275
I like the weatherlight saga. But yeah, for the most part MTG is good at making cool settings, rather than great stories. Ravnica and Innistrad are great and memorable settings, but the stories told in them aren't anything particularly special

>>95853120 (OP)
Tayam: rank 225, 6751 decks
Kunoros: rank 1959, 286 decks

HELP UGIN'S KNOT IS STUCK IN MY ASS AGAIN HE'S NOT GOING SOFT IT HAS BEEN 4 HOURS

OH FUCK NIV'S HERE HE'S FUCKING WATCHING AND LAUGHING AT US HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO BRING IN RAL TO RECORD IT.

>>95864211
Retarded post as expected of bracketkids

>>95863966
Why is every Kefka deck I see packed with Wheels. He's card advantage/discard in the command zone, why would you want to wheel when you're casting syphon mind every turn.

>>95864648
Keep on seething dipshit

Thoughts?

I feel like a 2 mana "opponent discards a removal spell" isn't bad. An extra turn if they can't is also pretty sweet.

>>95864694
Did you read his flipside

>>95864707
Sorry, I am bracket 4 intelligence. You are core bracket.

>>95864722
Bracket 4 is the least intelligent bracket

>>95864716
My thoughts are about going infinite

>>95864694
Hyperfocusing on the discard synergies I guess.
I think protecting Kefka and swinging in for constant value is a better use of the deck slots.

Coomette might arrive earlier than Saturday

>>95864766
How big is your order?

>>95864716
anyone got the big tit edit of this?

>>95864720
It goes infinite with Crawler, but I don't see how it synergizes with wheels. Not sure the crawler combo is even worth running since it's so telegraphed, but if you are I don't think you need wheels to make your crawler better since they already have to kill it or your Kefka.
>>95864753
That seems like the obvious way of building him, but most Kefka decks look like Nekusar decks with a bunch of random FIN cards thrown in.

>>95864794
Pretty big. I'm hoping to get more of the FF bonus stuff

>>95864829
>>95864694
Honestly I think some content creator suggested he would replace Nekusar for some absurd reason. I remember in the past few weeks when he was revealed that sentiment was shared here and I've seen it other places as well. No fuckin clue

>>95860447
I think I slotted her into Betor since she's another source of Lifelink and functions as redundant recursion that doesn't require life loss while not conflicting with Betor on curve. I'll need to play some games with her in the deck but I think she's going to be a permanent inclusion.

>>95861021
She's going into all of my tall decks.

>>95864275
Feldon's short story was good.

>>95863683
Same but I proxy everything anyway

>>95864874
Personally I’d say supplement rather than replace, since Kefka’s flip will draw a card whenever Nekusar pings, so you end up with even more cards in hand

Decent colors/commander to utilize the black mage tokens? theme is obv spellslinger but im split between grixis and weirdly jund/not weirdly rakdos. Bonus points if the commander is not one of these "kill on sight" ones

>>95865163
Mono red just copy it a bunch very cool

>>95865172
Avoid Grixis and Izzet because you're going to be tempted to use Vivi, and if you do then you're going to be winning because Vivi is broken and not because you played your deck well or built something strong and functional.

>>95865185
"Don't run the black mage in the black mage deck, you might HAVE FUN."

>>95865172
so essntailly back to mono red neheb to stack enough mana to go off

>>95865204
>hey guys what commander should I use for this forced discard and sacrifice deck
>well you probably shouldn't use tergrid because that would be the most openly obvious answer and no one would want to play against it
>erm why wouldn't I run the dedicated sacrifice and discard commander in my sacrifice and discard deck?
Fine, just run izzet spellslinger and be done with it. He probably has an edhrec page by now you can copy.

>>95865185
Dumb post

>>95865214
Weird interpretation. Im putting it in my Calamity list because if I even copy this thing just two times I can threaten a win off my regular gameplan and their triggers

>>95863353
>>95863402
You get a payoff in that you can untap everything you used to crew vehicles. Get some tap abilities in the deck and you can hold them up on other people's turns

>>95865289
Why not just, and hear me out, have good creatures to begin with? This entire scenario is asinine. You're going to include shitty creatures, so your good creatures can be wasted crewing them, so that your commander can untap them. There are actual good creatures with big butts that dont need this. Look here 4 mana to get 1/4 of the way there