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What your best painted 30K mini ?

>>95869116 (OP)
>Pr*mar*s helmet

Into the trash it goes

>>95869116 (OP)
It's amazing how much that helmet actually ruins the model. I can't even explain why, either, but it does. It's uncanny. Make a new fucking thread cause this shit is cursed.

>>95869125
Primaris is just revamped MK IV

>>95869116 (OP)
Sigh

Are Imperialis Miltias going to be a thing in 3.0. or do we just don't know yet?

>>95869147
Why wouldn't they be? They are probably not going to get released at launch and be playable for like 2/3rds or even just 1/3rd of the edition but I doubt they are going away.

>>95869147
we don't know

>>95869116 (OP)
Painting Night Lords and wondering which base is better; Leadbelcher base or chaos black basecoat?
Also any Legion specific rules been leaked yet?

>>95869160
Silver. There's almost no difference and all your trim is based already.

>>95869160
If you mean spray primer, I've stopped using lead belcher. Too often any layers over it don't stick, and it's a pain getting it usable for further work.

>>95869147
We just don't know, they did mentiopn that custodes will get their own libre a few months after the release of the first ones, and that legacy units aree getting a pdf, so all we can do is hope that they'll do the same for milita and daemons.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m11ujimg/saturnine-your-questions-on-the-new-edition-of-horus-heresy-answered/

>>95869160
None of the libers have been leaked yet, only the main rule book.

>>95869160
I just stick with black because I'm a tard with other primers and black just works for me.

>>95869160
AK black.

>>95869116 (OP)
>primaris

>>95869160

My recipe was black - drybrush on leadbelcher - paint on nightlords blue into the correct areas - then apply lightning effects - curse god for your foolish weakness in choosing a legion that requires freehand lightning - paint out the details like skulls - and more skulls - then apply scuffed and chipped paint with GSW Chrome.

>>95869191

But as you can see, I'm hardly a pro painter.

>>95869199
It's fine, but the lightning is too thick. It'll look better if you thin up the sides with one of your blues

>>95869142
And yet it sticks out like an infected thumb that needs to be amputated

>>95869203

I didn't have any thinner brushes to work with at the time. Honestly, I'm just proud I actually got 2000pts worth fully painted in the end. Even if they are kind of a grab bag of various things I liked.
I'm somewhat proud of this Casta-Ferrum I converted from old DW bits and probably the last Ironclad Dread left in the GW shop.

posted in last thread but what i'm workin on atm

>>95869191
>>95869199
you need to wash those skulls with seraphim sepia or similar so they look like bone instead of plastic

>>95869223

I know, but I only had Agrax and Nuln oil to work with at the time... and there's something about the idea that these guys are just using Spirit Halloween decorations to troll other people with that kind of appeals to me.

>>95869213
You should be. That's more than can be said for too many people, myself included

>>95869147
Pdf probably like before

>>95869160
Thanks for the suggestions bros with the primer, next pay I'm buying some cataphractii and pic related so might stick to black primer

so with rapiers out the way what time frame do we reckon for other releases? If 2.0 is anything to go by it was AoD by June, but we're already looking at July or even August for Saturnine. Then the kratos was August, so maybe Fellblades by late Aug/Sep. The assault box was 18 months after AoD, but if theres no tanks then the breachers/assault mk II might get the winter to spring slots when Rhinos and sicarans dropped. Then the new Cata would be looking like an early summer 2026 release. Then again it could be way later with the skitarii stuff, tanks and the rumoured war in the webway supplement which could push all the marine releases to being finished by Spring 2027.

>>95869191
omg that missile launcher mould line

>>95869278
>we're already looking at July or even August for Saturnine.
Nah, I imagine it will be out pretty sharpish. The only other big thing in the pipeline is Cathay.

>>95869278
Considering the starter box is already in warehouses, my guess would be end June or somewhere in July for the release date.

>>95869278
Preorders next week

>>95869289
rumour is there is a launch box out in August which could only be cathay, killteam or this so its a 1 in 3 chance.

>>95869299
I honestly don't see them waiting that long for either Cathay or Saturnine, given the rate of the articles they're doing.

So is anyone going to make a non-primaris thread or shall I?

>>95869275
I prime black. Basecoated Pro Acryl Grey Blue and then a zenithal pass of PA blue. I seal it before adding other colors so I don’t fuck it up.

>>95869326
There's no point in splitting the thread over the use of one bit in an image. You can not like something and not be a terminal autist at the same time.

>>95869327
Very nice. I'm not sure if I like the blue you did or the darker midnight blue, the blue you did is great I'm just worried it looks too much like the Ultramarine cobalt blue

>>95869326
Only if you spell Legionis Imperialis wrong.

>rapier crew comes with a ton of tacticool bits
>perfect for AL killteams etc
hmmm should I get some?

>>95869361
Why is this marine eating a sandwich

>>95869116 (OP)
Current WIP

>>95869370
Maybe he was getting hungry.

>>95869370
I think he is about to watch some Slaaneshi VR clips about Custodes on Sisters of Silence action.

>>95869379
>Custodes on Sisters of Silence action.
Oooh yuri, that's hot

>>95869370
armistos eat sandvich

>>95869370
That's clearly a space harmonica. He's planning on leaving the legion and riding the space rails.

Leakanon, can you post the vehicle rules, please - and walker type rules? Are unit types/sub-types in the book too still?

>>95869338
I had the same concerns. I was thinking of painting Ultra for 3.0. But a friend is so NL it is. So my Ultra are Dark Blue base, PA Ultramarine then it’ll be PA Faded Ultramarine for edges. There’s a big difference.

>>95869370
Kneeling on traitors is hard work

>>95869428
>>95869370
I CAN'T BREATH

strongly considering a destroyer based blood angels force for the new edition

>>95869437
cant wait for moritats to not grant extra detachments

>>95869437
>Deep Strike is shit
>Veterans better than Destroyers and probably easier to fit into force org detachments
how strongly?

>>95869441
>>95869453
rules are temporary warcrimes are eternal

>>95869428
>>95869433
Can I get a shop of this please?

>>95869338
in half the official NL art, they're just ultramarines blue armor before the decorations, they only look like a darker blue because it's night time which changes regular blue into dark blue.

If NL were a midnight blue during the day, then at night they'd just look pitch black and that's a Raven Guard thing. Night Lords aren't painted for stealth, they want their victims to see and hear them and poo their pants in fear. Hence the bright white lightning bolts which don't help with stealth.

>>95869326
Do it.

I am once again asking Leakeranon whether there are Zone Mortalis rules in the book and if so to please gibs.

>>95869468
your logic is sound, however, no one wants to see boy scout blue night lords

>>95869361
They're supposed also to be used as other units, yes

Making progress, but I can't decide what sponsons to use. Obviously we don't know points yet, but what do we think? Bolters for cheap, lascannons are always good, but tanks aren't the Typhon's target. Heavy Flamers for keeping infantry away?

What about a dark prussian blue for the Night Lords?

>>95869441
it's too much of a penalty. they still want to sell consuls, so they'll get some kind of detachment even if it's specialized and inflexible.

>>95869514
HB would keep infantry away a lot more imo

>don't read instructions because I think I'll be fine
>Just realised I fucked 7/10 terminators shoulder pads
Is it fixable bros? I'm going to have to cut shoulder pads off all day with a knife fuck my life

>>95869533
im amazed a decade after this kit came out people still fuck up the pads, rtfm guys

>>95869514
Flamers do have that Panic rule which routes a unit if it inflicts a wound

>>95869560
Yeah, it's very important that there's no gap between the pauldrons and cowling.

Era of Ruin - anyone got it?

I hope numk4 looks like this.

>>95869588
But why? That looks like shit.

Putting this up again, do I keep the metallic green. I went for it to show it's souped up custom suit of the forgelords own configuration.

Like a project car in suit form

>>95869594
To spite you in particular.

>>95869595
I don't like coloured metallics, I think it looks tacky.

>>95869598
SPITE IN MY MOUTH BROTHER

>>95869598
Me? But everybody loves me.

>>95869595
Hate the colour, and you've got some miscasts or gribblies all over the model, making it look weird and messy, and your basecoat is apparently missing?

>>95869612
Maybe in your wildest dreams

>>95869653
Are you implying that you're not my biggest fan?

>>95869502
>We're getting rules for units which don't have models, along with suggestions on how to build them
>It's basically exemplary battles mixed with TOW's arcane journal units but (presumably) in the main books
Incredibly based

>>95869595
Did you use this ? Diluted a lot.
If not, you should.

>>95869595
only if your whole army is metallic green, but I would suggest you maybe try a wash over it too.

Hmm no assault from deep strike or outflank again just like 1.0. The rule’s writer must have lost one unit to an assault one time and got furious. It shall be a shooting edition indeed. Between losing sweeping, the terribad challenges, and this, assault phase is looking really rough. And I’m one of the few enjoying the changes so far

>>95869588
I like it

>>95869748
>Charging out of Rhinos
>No volley fire or overwatch when you connect with the Set Up move
>Minimum charge distance went up from 2" to 4" for marines, 5" if it's a IC leading the charge
>Jump infantry might have even higher set up move
>Can pursue units trying to flee and lock them in combat again
It ain't all bad. Will have to try out an actual game with the full rules to really judge how it's all gonna work.

>>95869754
W I D E R

Mk III guys finally got delivered this morning. Still can’t settle on a legion. Building should still be fun, I guess.

Does it make sense lore wise for there to be inductii assault squads? I want to kit bash the dominion zephon an a battle damaged IW inductii sergeant that's barely survived both IW artillery barrages and loyalist firefights. However, I don't what's best to use as inductii markings and how other people differentiate sergeants without the transverse crest. I feel like it doesn't fit with the IW aesthetic enough.

>>95869773
>will have to try out an actual game
yes because marines in rhinos charging 7.5 inches is a massive threat! Or how about getting within 3 inches of the enemy so they don't fire overwatch, truly gamechanging! But guys, the minimum charge distance went up, that means so much more for assault than maximum distances going down! Not to mention Jump infantry might randomly set up more than 3 inches even though it is based on unit stats not equipment! And don't forget you can pursue fleeing units, truly massive!

>>95869845
>Not to mention Jump infantry might randomly set up more than 3 inches even though it is based on unit stats not equipment!
It's based on movement you mongoloid. Basic Jump Infantry set up 5"

>>95869477
for me it entirely depends on how lazy their secondary paint/hobbying is or isnt

If someone goes hard on the custom NL helmets or shoulders or bones/skinnings or goes hard on the lightning, then the royal blue NL actually go harder than the dark smudgy NL.

But if someone is a new painter and gonna just use plastic starter set marines and not buy resin helmets and shoulders or paint lightning - then they absolutely have to go midnight blue, non-negotiable.

>>95869595
please stop posting your 0/10 trash painting. It looks like failed finger-painting by a 5 year old who sucks at color choice and never learned how to color inside the lines.

>>95869931
thats not very nice

>>95869845
>Rhino moves 7" unit disembarks 7" minimum charge of 1" (if you roll a double 1) so 15" threat range at least
>Nobody ever complained about overwatch in 2.0!
>Any charge below 7" range is a guaranteed succes, that's how 2d6 probability works!
>People always rolled that double 6 for the maximum 12" charge range!
Tell me you're a trolling nogames tourist without telling me you're a trolling nogames tourist

>>95869370
are you not

>>95869834
No, it doesn't make sense.

>>95869834
>Even the cover shows the sword being bent.

Oh ffs

Assuming Rapier Quad Guns are the same (ish), 2 units of three would be pretty versatile yeah?

>>95870009
It's a plastic model, retard.

>>95870012
no more squadrons and the detachment has 2 slots, so you will most likely want 2x2 in 2 detachments instead

>>95870009
I was thinking of swapping it out with a thunder hammer

>>95870023
>no more squadrons
rapiers aren't vehicles

>>95870023
I thought the "no more squadrons" thing only applied to tanks and dreads?

>>95870039
they specifically call out dreadnoughts, vehicles AND SIMILAR RULES.
guess what those similar rules are? apothecaries, techmarines, rapiers etc.

>>95870045
"each individual unit will take up its own Slot"
while they do not specifically call out rapiers, i do not see why rapiers would not be a affected

>>95870017
AND?!

>>95870046
And who told you that those "similar rules" were specifically those units?

>>95870046
>Rapiers can now only be fielded one per FOC slot
>That is why GW is selling them in boxes of two
Retard.

>>95869754
>>95869783

>>95870074
NTA but there's literally two Rapier slots per Detachment. Seems pretty obvious why.

>>95870027
You should swap it out for a thunder hammer

>>95870095
Because Rhinos are also sold in boxes of four, since there is always four transport slots per detachment.

Don't feed the eGimp.

>>95869147
They will. If points are mostly the same the just use the old rules with their mental stats the same as their leadership as patch. They aren't designed to be brave so it'll be fine.

>>95869189
wtf I love primaris now!

>>95870058
"each individual unit will take up its own Slot"
bro you're retarded

>No Night Battles in the missions listed in previous thread
>I flip to Special Rules, no "Night Vision" special rule exists
Oh fuck, they got rid of night time entirely. Pour one out for the Day Lords space marine legion.

>>95870153
Sorry anon but Mom says I can't stay up late for a "night battle". We have to play at daytime or not at all

>>95870153
night fighting is bad for shooting so it was gotten rid of
same reason why pinning was split up, they're going to make the condition that forces snapshots super rare

>>95870174
and if your ballistic skill is good snapshots still hit on 4+ or 5+ instead of 6+, lmao. Braindead shooting edition indeed.

>>95870153
>No Night Battles in the missions listed in previous thread
Incredibly cringe. Sweeping is gone too. It's like babies first heresy to get more people afraid of the game in.

>>95870153
>Night fighting exists in the game
>"Omg this makes no sense marines and tanks have autosenses and scanners they should just be able to see anything without problem even at night this is so dumb"
>Night fighting stops being a rule
>"Omg NL literally unplayable now muh immersion ruined why would GW do this"
The duality of /hhg/

>>95870153
Night fighting was kind of retarded since we're expected to believe that space marines can't see in the dark.

>>95870198
Fake. Real players care about tradition. Night fight on dawn of war is what peak Warhammer looks like.

Early Great Crusade - which units could be in my army and which ones are too modern?

>>95870204
Night vision isn't some magic vision that allows perfect clarity. Dust, smoke, flaring from burning wreckage or weapons fire will reduce its effectiveness. That's why infravisors are so good, they combine thermal and you can absolutely see across the map.

>>95870209
>Real players care about tradition.
And yet they complain when GW does a terrible job with the rules :^)

>captcha: h8 trad

>>95870195
>Braindead
As if rolling the exact same dice requires more brainpower?

>>95870228
>That's why infravisors are so good
They're just a retarded addon. At a base level a space marine has super human eyesight even discounting their advanced armour systems.

>>95870198
>NL unplayable now.
Hh should include capture and torture mechanics to keep NL viable

>>95869998
Ah thanks, so destroyer assault is probably more fitting. I was also thinking of just using the spike top of a numk3 helm as sergeant for the rest. Plumes dont really feel IW enough

>>95870219
might need to be more specific, if you mean the Solar campaign then it is literally only mark II PA, no terminators, no sicarans but you could have the kratos instead, no legion specifics of any kind, breachers and destroyers even might be pushing it.

I'm about to start taking 0pts of war gear on my tactical squads on account of them getting fucked routinely anyway. I usually spend 40 on a vexilla, plasma pistol, power weapon and artificer armour.
Does anybody else do this?

>>95870304
Be strong and always max out the officer's bling

>>95870291
Let's say first 50 years.

>>95870239
I'm not commenting on brainpower, I'm commenting on wittle baby doesn't want to lose his wittle unit after botching a melee. He just wants to sit back with his wittle wapiers shooting without any penalty.

Do I continue with my current army (Night Lords) or do I start fresh for 3.0? I'm thinking maybe Iron Hands. Not sure why. Maybe it's because like Ferris Manus, my crowning achievement will be to do nothing and then die.

>>95870148
So why do you think two rapiers can't count as the same unit?
And going by your previous post, are tech marines and apothecaries going to come individually per command slot now too?
Why do you think that somebody asking you these questions makes them retarded?

>>95870323
Melee and deepstrike were ruined to sell their shooty edition minis. So IH immortals and rapiers will probably be meta.

>>95870323
Tbh NL are pretty pointless in a shooting-only edition which never has night battles. We won't know for sure until we see the liber army traits, but Nightlords and Alpha legion are the two riskiest chaos factions to ever play because any edition of warhammer there was a 50/50 chance they made NL "the faction with useless leadership modifiers to the enemy" and Alpha Legion "the faction bad at combat but shuffle one or two units in deployment and allowed to buy some basic cultists"

>>95870304
I only take a combi-melta on the sergeant for 10 man tactical squads, but on 20 man squad I definitely take that vexilla so they don't run off the board.

>>95870315
As the anon said, you get barebones for early GC, terminators only came about late within the GC (sub 50 years until HH)

>>95869588
NOOT NOOT

>>95870348
>>95870359
What're some fluffy Iron Hands stuff to start working on then?

>>95870359
NL will be good on the advanced characteristics.

>>95870392
Immortals, Gorgons. Tortuga Bay has cool IH bits

>>95870385
But wern't Saturnine termies early GC = could be used?

>>95870398
Maybe, maybe not. They're not extra-ordinarily brave, nor extra-ordinary at battle strategy. And being a little bit spoopy might be useful against baseline unbuffed units but there's always a risk that the game lets every squad with a chaplain suddenly become very brave and then NL would be up shit creek. And Fear() has no effect beyond 12", so it's far less useful in a shooting edition than in one where marines are shooting 60 bolter shots at 24" and pinning the nightlords before you get in fear range. We'll have to see, they Could be good but it's risky - whereas someone like SoH / Iron Hands / Ultramarines are just bound to get something meaty instead of a useless fear thing.

Do you think Krak missiles will get AP 2 if they stand still? AP 2, but 1 damage perhaps?

>>95870291
I understand the others but why no breachers?

>>95870465
Ap 4 d1

>>95870465
If they do, it will make meltas entirely pointless. Meltas lost the ability to threaten battle tanks when they lost d6 strength, but we're told "well they'll kill terminators"
But if krak missiles are AP2 for terminators at 48" and meltas only at 12", aint nobody using meltas for anything. Disintegrators already look to be a non-starter losing AP2 while not being good against vehicles either.

>>95870436
Yeah gotta love tortuga, I just bought some bionic mk4 for a heresy kill team project.

>>95870465
Krakies always had the appeal of insta deathing T4 so I hope they are D2.

>>95870315
for first 50 years I'd say the available units are:
>core
tacticals
recon
assault
HSS
TSS
Rhino
Proteus
>fast
outriders
jetbikes
speeder (no javelin)
>heavy support
Kratos
Vindicator
Predator
>elite
Castraferrum dreadnought
Saturnine dreadnought
Saturnine termies but rare
>other
stormbird transport
Xiphon

>>95869588
It wont

>>95870359
What is so bad about AL? In 2.0 technically they have 0 zero combat skills because their trait boils down to "back away". And yet it makes them kings of positioning. It makes the enemy miss. It makes the enemy pursue and overextend. The Alpha player gets to deploy, do alternative deploy, forces the opponent to commit then lies about it and redeploys.
It's rather good for a force that "sucks at actual combat"

You should be able to charge out of a (scattering) deepstrike or outflank, though

>>95870491
The feet are still old style. That is not new MkIV.

>>95869514
I like Volkite. Even moreso now that there's no threat of Weapon Destroyed

>>95870502
>feet
nonsensical argument

>>95870392
I wouldn’t jump into iron hands until we see their rules, they’re among the legions most at risk of being accidentally fucked over without being thought of
The loss of ID is a soft nerf to their legion trait and as IWND is entirely gone, one has to assume their vehicle buffs are just going to be slightly stronger auto-repair
Which could be good or bad depending on if any armor values change and how prevalent heavy(S) and armorbane are on anti-tank guns

Immortals are really only good in bitter iron, gorgons termies are probably going to stay weak as long as the WS chart stays how it is, and we have no reason to feel safe that cyber-familiars, grav upgrade, or even morlocks will stick around in their current handy incarnation, if at all
Plus the change to force org demolishes dread spam lists barring RoW, I’m not at all saying iron hands will be bad (they have the potential to be really really good) but as one of the relative backgrounds characters with fewer shiny special models and characters to sell they’re always at risk of being underwhelming

>>95870489
Shouldn't Scouts be also there?

>>95870515
You don't see how those feet are different from the image? Those feet are in line with the new Mks, the ones in the picture aren't.

>>95870359
AL are based and they can steal a good combat unit from another legion >:)

>>95870500
Mfw

Wait a minute I just reread the leaks. Pinning Stun and panic all work like concussive/Grav do now and you can only test once per phase. It's over.

>>95870500
alphas in 2.0 were given a grab-bag of stuff that AL didn't have in other games workshop stuff.

Ability to take other legion's god-killer special unique squads - They certainly have nothing like that in any edition of 40k, could be gone in HH3.

Specialist squads with amazing broken stats (BS5) and the ability to Precision Strike with multimeltas like they're primarchs? Could very well be gone in HH3 and them be BS4 and no precision strike.

They had the ability to just place a bunch of overpowered dreadnoughts anywhere they wanted in HH2. Now dreadnoughts die in 1 shot and can't charge after deepstrike. If power moves to landraider sized tanks instead of dreadnoughts, they have enormous footprints and are easier to screen out from half the board and sending them on a flanking mission makes them easier to hit their rear armor. HH3 could always limit alpha legion to just "redeploy 2 units in your deployment zone" like they've had for other GW games.

We haven't seen any stats for Sniper Rifles which were a useful thing for AL who often focused on removing buffs so they could win fights despite having a shit army trait. Nemesis Bolters being S5 with Rending 5+ is not at all a given. Most GW editions have had sniper rifles as weak guns, HH2.0 is an exception. Would not be surprising if suddenly they're S4 AP5 Breaching6+ instead of sniper rifles being amazing in HH2.

It wouldn't take much of a change at all for AL to go from good to one of the weakest factions. They were among the worst chaos factions in 40k 3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 so them actually being cool in HH2 is something of an anomaly.

>>95870517
You don’t run IH for rules, you run them because you want everyone to know you’ve got balls

>>95870534
There's only a minor difference in proportions, that doesn't mean it's a different design

>>95870491
That's the old design. You can tell because of the "ears" of the helmets being huge. All the redesigns have made them smaller.

>>95870506
>Even moreso now that there's no threat of Weapon Destroyed
What's that got to do with this? In 2.0, Weapon Destroyed affects Primary weapons, which S6 Volkites are not. Defensive weapons are only eligible to be destroyed if there's no Primary weapon to affect.
Surely you weren't using sponsons and pintle weapons as ablatives to protect the Main Gun from a Weapons Destroyed result, right?

>>95870555
>There's only a minor difference in proportions
Yeah, because it's the old models as a base. The new models will have their own look.

>>95870565
Anon, are you retarded, that's exactly why taking volkites before was bad.

>>95870551
I wonder if there's any explanatin for that winged pentagram or the banner in pic related from the IH decal sheet. They don't exactly scream Imperial Truth to me

>>95870549
AL bringing copied enemy stuff was such an original AL thing in 1.0 they doubled it down for 2.0 anon. It used to be a whole rite of war.
2.0 Coils unironically sucks; the token force should've been given Treacherous Lure or False Colors for a turn instead of Fearless.

>>95870569
On a Typhon?

>>95870559
>>95870566
The "new" models all look like that new mk4 art, plus artificier armour bling

>>95870612
None of the new models have big ears.

>>95870612
This model looks like absolute shit

>>95870603
Typhons aren't superheavies. You need to take the lascannons so one pen doesn't remove the big gun.

>>95870596
Night Lords had an entire RoW called "Terror Assault" entirely focused on starting each battle at night time. Something being there from day 1 and being flavorful is not a guarantee GW hasn't axed it from the game in HH3.0.

I don't hope they remove AL ability to grab all other legion's rare units, but it's the kind of thing someone at GW who doesn't play the game would remove. "What, you mean he's using that thing in TWO armies without buying it twice?! That's hurting our profits!"

They axed a lot of daemon units that were always allowed as allies for khorne/slaanesh/tzeentch/nurgle in 40k recently, only allowing a tiny piddling to be used cross faction. Some suit is allergic to fun at GW.

What should I buy for Word Bearers if I’m just starting out? Legionaries and daemons?

>>95870603
NTA but yes

if you get a Weapon destroyed result, you want to be able to pick something that's not your main gun to be lost. A lascannon sponson, stuff like that.

Giving a tank with a big dick gun like the typhon or cerberus extra defensive weapons means that a Weapon destroyed result is more likely to remove your primary armament.

>>95870633
Demons don’t exist newfag

>>95870623
What was wrong with them being a superheavy? Same with the Macharius :(

>>95870639
Oh. So do you have an actual suggestion then? Maybe make some 40k Possessed into Gal Vorbak?

>>95870620
You keep talking about proportions, which doesn't apply because then the old art also didn't match the old models.

The bottom line is that we got new models in mk4, and new art of mk4 matching them. The second is specially telling. Gw usually doesn't do that, and they have loads of unreleased illustrations that rarely surface much later

Speaking of superheavies, I wonder if under new rules they'll just be immune to glances and you have to pen to do any damage to them.

>>95870651
>new art of mk4 matching them
No. The new MkIV art matches the old models.

>>95870633
40k CSM Possessed to use as gal vorbak is the safe thing as Gal Vorbak are their main special squad.

Full daemon purchase I'd wait for the liber first, we can't know yet if you'll have a reason to buy bloodletters vs daemonettes vs plaguebearers or if summoning a Bloodthirster will still be allowed or good.

If building before the book I'd do the gal vorbek and some 30k marines, some heavy weapon stuff, make some word bearer character-types (daemon-summoner looking dude, dark chaplain looking centurion dude, etc.)

>>95870633
Right now we're not sure about much since the new edition is near but we haven't seen the legion army lists yet. I would say just paint up some basic tactical squads for now, maybe some rhinos to transport them if you're doing squads of 10, since those are going to always be at least somewhat useful.

>>95870661
Thanks, anon.
>>95870666
Best to keep it simple I suppose. I was going to do big squads of 20, I like the idea of marching throngs of chanting fanatics

>>95870646
if you do buy possessed, just remember to build the one with a tactical rock under his foot, not a primaris marine under his foot. I'm gonna need to cut away the one under mine and put some rocks and stuff over him.

>>95870678
Good to know, thanks.

>>95870551
Fuck IH are so sexy. I am so tempted to just get an allied force of them.

>>95870633
Tactical marines, rhinos, maybe some terminators.
Basically every legion relies on the same core of basic units which are always if not good then usable.

Everything else we dont know, gal vorbak could be fantastic or they could be ass, mhara gal could be disgustingly broken or worthless, we dont know what their rites are like (if they even have any), how summoning works (if at all) or anything else.

>>95870660
They're all the same because they've not redesigned Mk4. It's just an upscale with different proportions.

>>95870712
New ears are smaller but otherwise yes.

>>95870675
Big squads of 20 area always fun to see on the table.

I would also think about mabe building one or two generic HQs, since the new force org seems to be encouraging lots of HQ models (esp. generic centurions) to have more detachments.

>>95870712
It's a redesign, the fully extent of which we will see in time. Look at that secondary ear ridge for example, present there and here.

>>95870719
Lmao thanks anon

>>95870734
I grabbed a box of the 40k chosen to turn into a bunch of HQs, I was originally thinking of wanting to do more consuls but with rules leaks I think I'm going to make 1 herald, 2 centurions, 1 champion, and 1 other Consul I haven't decided yet. I already have my zardu layak, a terminator Librarian, and a moritat converted from haarken.

>>95870359
>Tbh NL are pretty pointless in a shooting-only edition which never has night battles
That entirely depends on their trait. If it expands to "+1 to wound/pen vs units with tactical status effects" then thats already pretty good.

>>95870768
Or alternatively maybe their trait becomes melee only like in 1.0. But +1 to wound/pen might be a lot more valuable now that theres fewer rerolls, high S weapons might not be the only viable options and vehicles are harder to pen.

>>95870359
But NL also have a bonus at range :(
Maybe their Rite will be one of the few sources of Night Fighting, which will mean many will be unprepared for it.
It'll also mean this will be a special, unnatural darkness that even regular marine visors struggle with.
>>95870768
Also this

>>95870787
This is also assuming their trait remains +1 to wound. Who knows what it might be. Maybe they just have a -1LD aura besides fear, maybe they have +1 to HIT instead. Who knows.

I think theres a lot of room for NL to utterly blow, but theres a lot of room for them to be better, their weapons cant get worse for example.

>>95870712
>they've not redesigned Mk4

>>95870798
To be fair I doubt that mouth will be the standard.

Are all weapons boxes compatible with every updated armour marks (II, III, VI)?

>>95870816
Yes that's the whole point.

>>95870798
>artificer armour vs. normal helmet
yawn

>>95870798
tell me about the left one, why does he wear the mask?

>>95870738
>secondary ear ridge for example, present there and here.
and it proves nothing about the final standard version.
The new art is a better guide, IMO

>>95870833
>and it proves nothing about the final
The extra ridge is present in all the new Mk4.

>>95870824
Great, thanks!

Which primarch is the best

>>95870734
Yeah I got a command squad and a melee weapon box to help make characters, it’s all pretty generic right now but I figure painting some scripture on the armor will make them look the part

>>95870850
No, only in 2 SoH characters (the herald is clearly so)
The TS librarian doesn't have it, and other minis do not have helmets or use a custom design.
You keep ignoring the new art. As if GW was going to commission illustrations of old models in their way out. Come on!

>>95870876
Even Horus knew it

day 2 of painting trim on my AT reaver titan

>>95870879
>The TS librarian doesn't have it
He does, they literally pick it out in gold.
>You keep ignoring the new art.
No, I simply point out that it's merely new art of the current kit.

>>95870798
>the primaris flaps
horror

>>95870502
>>95870559
It has the same posture and proportions as nu Mk VI. Of course it's nu Mk IV pictures, it's just that they're probably not changing much about the current Mk IV.

>>95870883
Corax was his favourite

>>95870908
At the very least, we know he didn't give a shit about Konrad or PeterTurbo.

>>95870906
>It has the same posture and proportions as nu Mk VI. Of course it's nu Mk IV pictures
No, it's old MkIV stretched over the bones of new MkVI. The feet are all wrong and don't match the new much more round style of boots.

>>95870924
>The feet are all wrong
So does NuMk3 art.
>it's old MkIV stretched over the bones of new MkVI
you're so close to getting it

>>95870941
>>The feet are all wrong
>So does NuMk3 art.
No, that's wrong, as you can see from the picture you posted it's the same.

>>95870876
rogal dorn uniquely did his job

>>95870924
>The feet are all wrong and don't match the new much more round style of boots.
That can't be true as the feet for nu Mk VI and III are different. Foot shape means nothing, and we've already seen nu Mk IV in the works as it is.

>>95870924
>>95870945
Now post nu Mk VI and compare the feet.

>>95870941
>>95870976
come out
we can fix you

>>95870974
>compare the feet.

Can we stop fetish posting please

>>95870960
>the feet for nu Mk VI and III are different.
They follow the same more rounded shape introduced with the new MkVI. The current MkIV and the MkIV in the art is much flatter. New MkIV as seen on the herald and thousand son librarian are rounded in the same way as the new power armours.

>>95870945
No, the feet are different to pic related (stolen from BAnon), see no tubes or curves. Totally a different design

>>95869116 (OP)
that mini paintjob is pure sex.
i wish i painted as good
also is the battlefleet heresy ruleset good ? or at least passable, bar is very low since i enjoyed aeronautica imperialis

>>95870995
That freehand art on the torso is gorgeous.

>>95870678
"This marine travelled into the future and back to taunt the loyalists with what they would become"

>>95870991
no, I want Tarantino to make the next 40k movie

>>95871011
Based
>>95870988
>What kind of MkIII are you?
Can't believe that, regardless of a new edition coming, we can always remain true to the original 30k core: Counting Rivets.
Perhaps everything about 3.0 was all said anyways.

>>95870876
Ferrus because he’s dead

>>95870543
>you can only test once per phase

except for things that apply those status like the VDT, Perils etc etc

and you're potentially taking up to four tests per phase instead of up to two

>>95870995
>the feet are different to pic related
But the shape is correct.
All the new armour has the same much more rounded boots.
The new MkVI art has the same old lower, more rectangular boot.

>>95871028
We can talk about 3.0 until the cows come home, but we won't know how it all works in practice until people actually got a few games under their belt.
Before 2.0 launched people were sure shooting would be dead and the edition all about melee, because of things like plasma and blasts being nerfed in addition to charging out of reserves. But once people started playing it became clear how overbearing shooting reactions are, and that lascannon HSS are the kings of 2.0

>>95871011
>"you are 10,001 years too early to fight me, boy. This is your kind from 10,000 years in the future and I use your intestinal cavity as a foot soak"

>>95871077
I said, can we stop talking about feet!

>>95871082
oh, I'm sorry. we use the bodies of primaris marines as a 0.3048 meter soak.

>>95871008
it is funny to do

>>95869574
>>95869533

>>95871015
Well his wife is jewish so they are both degenerate

>>95871093
I like the blood nipples on that one guy

>>95871111
maybe you should reflect on life a bit

>>95871129
Shalom.

>>95871129
Early life check?

I just think the new proportions are way better than the old ones.

>>95871202
I think your love handles make your proportions stand out more too babe

>>95871186
>when you're ready, you won't have to

If leaker anon returns, do we have a list of most requested pages? Far as I know some of the highest requested ones are:
>Unit types, walkers and vehicles mentioned most often
>Terrain rules
Getting the rules for scatter would be nice too

Can somebody link me the fanrules for 30k xenos and other non human forces that would be active during the hh.

The more I read the more I start to think the great crusade deserves game recognition along with the heresy. That whole pre- 40k era should be the focus. Certain legions don't really get to shine without it (Death guard, Iron hands,) and there seem to be a lot of material for cool xenos to fight that aren't included in 40k like Uluméathic League, Vassalian, Donarathi, Cimmeriac, Thexians, Draxians, Noisome Reek, Xenarch, Saharduin, Dracolith, and Szaeyr. Im not saying give them all full armies, but maybe a few token models to build armies out of would be cool.

>>95871220
True

>>95871101
the flush fit is from the fw resin cata right? the plastic ones have a big gap on the website

>>95871226
who tf cares about all of this. we only need to wait for the points now.

We want leaks of things we can interact with, not absolutes.

>>95871268
I think king fluff wrote xeno fandexes for 1.0, outdated now

>>95871226
unit types and allies chart are the only two things I care about that havent been shown

So with all these new stats to do tests on, which legions do you think will have rules that actively effect these rolls?

World Eaters getting better cool in melee because nails

Iron Hands getting better repair rolls

Stuff like that.

>>95871268
play One Page Rules - any army vs any army

>>95871276
https://unityb4heresy.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-great-crusade-enemies-of-emperor.html?m=1

>>95871268
https://xenos-orks.tumblr.com/post/731942324897218560/ageofdarknessorkspdf

>>95871280
Unit types are going to correlate with the new force organization charts iirc.

>>95871270
GW insists that the correct way to build them is with a big stupid gap between the torso and pauldrons. GW is wrong.

>>95871314
No, unit types are things like Heavy meaning taking less damage from blast weapons. FOC is totally unrelated.

>>95871317
>GW is wrong.
Correct

>>95871317
they do that so we can't magnetize the arms

>>95871061
They were right about plasma though. Only ever used the Deredeo one

>60 united states dollars for 2 tarantulas
>70 for 2 rapiers

>>95871286
IW will get better INT, TS more WP. High IQ armies B^)

They should make lerneans decent so alpha Legion can join in on the fun primarch deathstar shenanigans

>>95871435
Alpha Legion shouldn't go into the primarch deathstar shenanigans.
t. Alpha Legion player

>>95871435
I've always felt that AL should have a termie unit that's basically "operation went FUBAR, operatives are compromised, send in the cleanup crew to remove al witnesses". Maybe a Tartaros unit with anti-infantry heavy weapons and swords, or maybe even custom Saturnines now that they're the big boys on the block.

>>95870651
>marines malevolent emblem on the greave
what did forgeworld mean by this

>>95871477
more like
>marines malevolent stole a great crusade symbol

>>95871464
Phospex flamethrowers.

Although really youre just describing contenkaar. But those suck so you can have them.

>>95871464
feels like that's the ideal job for Rewards of Treason. "Shit, we can't be quiet and sneaky on this, we're compromised, we gotta bring in brute force." "Okay, dress up the terminators as Space Wolves or Dark Angels or World Eaters and go in loud and hard, take out anything that witnessed the original alphas, then vanish, leaving some shredded wolf skins with bolter holes behind"
Spreads much more tension and confusion that way.
And half the loyalists factions like SW/RG/BA have a dark secret of untrustworthy factors so they really cannot prove they're trustworthy to show it must've been the alphas at play. The alphas might be seen as a convenient excuse whenever wulfen or flesh tearers decided to eat some dark angels.

>>95871417
50 pts in game with weapons.

>>95871588
Not even

>>95871576
I like it when people's reward units are dressed in AL colors and armor but just have different equipment. Like the reward is the specific tactics and technology rather than a literal unit of infiltrators.

Damn she's got a fat ass

>>95871612
Literal dump truck in the back

>>95871623
I can't handle it

I’ve been converting Night Lords from Heresy and Chaos Marine bits. Using a scalpel to remove some of the more “chaosy” elements.

What’s the opinion? Do they pass for Terror Squads?

>>95871651

Obligatory rotor cannons.

>>95871651
>>95871656
I like em but I'm no armour autist
I will patiently wait for an expert to let me know if im allowed to think these are cool

>>95871651
they look amazing, anon
the cleaned up CSM bodies go a long way to make them stand out as a special unit, while the powerpacks and pauldrons keep them grounded in the 30k era.
great work!

>>95871656
>want rotor cannon havoks for 40k
>find out that loyalists get intercessor squads that fire 40 shots at 10men
>do the math of 8 of them being same cost as the havocs
>the basic squad of intercessors are superior to chaos havoks

don't convince me "muh toughness5" and "muh move and shoot", intercessors get to advance and fire, or stay still at BS2 at same shots -1 ap and more...
>muh tzeentch/nurgle marked havoks have 5/6 for critical hits
Intercessors math still beats them.

I know its not a 40k thread but fuck me I got laughed out of 40kg for complaining about that.
>chaos gets nothing loyalists don't get with "an additional perk to say sorry it wasn't the loyalists special thing to begin with"

>>95871661
>>95871674

Thank you! I went one step further with a Recon Squad with shotguns, using the MkVI heads for a “birds of prey” look.

>>95871651
>>95871656
Very nicely done, anon. You did an excellent job removing the chaos trim. I wouldn’t have even noticed that you used the csm kit if it wasn’t for the loin cloths and skull details on the legs.

>>95870565
Lascannons were Battle Weapons and were eligible to be selected.

>>95871709

Thank you. This shows a bit clearer where I’ve cleaned up some of the iconography.

>>95871651
>>95871656
Of course! why wouldnt they?

>>95871464
>>95871539
>>95871576
Lernean are literally that. They are secret not because they try to hide their actions, but rather, because they leave no survivors. If only they had WS5, and their fists weren't overcosted as fuck...

>>95871656
>>95871651
Nailed it Night-bro

>>95871692
4 shots from a bolt(rifle)? That's even better than actual Fury of the Legion. How?

>>95871287
That's even worse than 10th which is impressive.

>>95871815
Because primaris MUST be better in every way duh.

>>95871651
Pretty solid example of how effort can take you a long way with bits.

>>95871417
>>95871588
>>95871592

20 cents to print.

>>95869278
>but we're already looking at July or even August for Saturnine.
All local marketplaces, ebay, and vinted are already selling Saturnine since 3 weeks ago anon...
We already sold more than 120 on our end.

>>95870491
Not nu-IV, those are old
>>95870515
He's in nu-IV, not old.
>>95870502
Is correct. Easiest way to tell is to look at the rim of the foot. On old marks, the rim goes all the way around (Except the extra plating on Mk III). On nu-marks, that weird cover comes down over the rim on the sides, and also angles up a lot where it meets the greaves.

>>95871908
>Not nu-IV, those are old
those are fresh illustrations of mkiv obviously made for a gallery with all legion colours
>muh feet
nonsensical argument. At least the point about nuMk4 having maybe ear flaps has something to back it, but the feet thing is retarded
Also, replying to yourself pretending to be another anon is cringe.

btw here are the new rapier sprues

>>95871889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzXwutv0yy8

>>95871952
>the feet thing is retarded
How? The style of feet is completely different between old and new armours.

>>95871961
>tigrus bolters
>sheathed tigrus bolters
Yum

>all this time spent arguing about the toes on toy soldiers on a Singaporean lobster fishing forum

Lads, come on, this is beneath even us

>>95871997
It's all irrelevant anyways. NumkIV will release in a year no matter what you think it'll look like.

>>95869588
Based.

>>95872025
Looks terrible.

>This over year old
James? your response?

>>95871952
Not that anon, only just got on.
But the feet thing isn't retarded, it's correct, and you can check as many of the models released since 2.0 as you like. The hypothesis holds true on almost every single one, with the few exceptions being Lucius and Corswain, both of whom are clearly in older style armour.

>>95872036
primaris exist thanks to people like you?

>>95871268
You can use Mechanicum rules for Necrons. Warriors as thralls, lokhust as thallax, doom stalker thanatars, Spyder Myrmidons, command barge abyeant magos, skorpekh ursarax, etc. Choose the horde based cybermancy and you're all set.

>>95872054
Primaris had the decency to rip off the good Mk4 helmet and not that duck faced shit.

>>95872063
Mk5 has a better duck face anyway

>>95869116 (OP)
is the repository for the obsolete files fucked or something? I'm getting a no longer available message.

>>95871952
so, they get 2 rapier sprue plus the crew one?

>>95871701
Dope. I used the DW shotguns for my Mor Deythan. Love those bits.

>>95872046
You miss the point. The feet thing is irrelevant because the new art doesn't need to be 100% identical, just keep the main features. Old art also didn't match exaclty the old minis, they fudged many details (like the knee pads of mk3). And the feet is one of the less relevant parts of a mini compared to the helmet or torso.

There's no way GW artists created new images of mk4 for all legions unless they're meant for a new release

>>95872087
yes. You still need to buy 3 kits to get a full HH1/2 style battery with all the same weapon.

>>95872086
I'll check, but GW might've struck again. They really don't like the leaks.

>>95872113
>The feet thing is irrelevant because the new art doesn't need to be 100% identical
Why are the feet right for the other armours?
Why are the feet correct for the old style?

>>95872113
>the new art doesn't need to be 100% identical
Find me a single image of a new wave model with incorrect feet.
Sure, the old black book art could be a little all over the place, but even then, it was mostly showing actual stuff labelled wrong. But there's not be a single new art in that style that wasn't accurate.
>the new art doesn't need to be 100% identical
I'm not convinced they're new, and if they are, i don't agree with this conclusion.

>>95872113
>There's no way GW artists created new images of mk4 for all legions unless they're meant for a new release
Or they've made new plates with the old design until they release the new kits so they don't have to keep using the old plates which have a different scale and pose.

>>95872129
Second quote here should be:
>There's no way GW artists created new images of mk4 for all legions unless they're meant for a new release
>>95872113

>>95872122
Checked, no they're fine. OP is just retarded and fucked up the links. Here's the proper versions

>HH1 Black Books
<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>Vq1UBZzR
>HH2 Rules and Supplements
<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>tr82FJIT
>Miscellaneous Extras (Visions and Old Rules)
<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>Vz9kkLrY

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements
<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>52sU2DrI
>Legions Imperialis Rules and Supplements
<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>tukkWDhQ

>>95872144
>>95872122

checked, thank you dubs men. OP, as per usual, is a tremendous faggot. One for fucking up the links, two for posting that god awful primaris helm

>built and paint a couple of test tactical marines
>have a scheme I like
>gridlocked on loyalist or traitor, and if traitor late heresy chaos corrupted or early heresy clean

>>95872054
wow you really are a primarisophobe anon
(pic unrelated )

>>95872158
pick traitor loyalist or loyalist traitors.

>>95872157
it's literally the same links. Without folder bloat. The root is literally the same.

>>95872038
Why did you crop out the most interesting part, smoothbrain ?

Worse than a redditor.

>>95872120
Which is going away in a month.

>>95870995
This is beautiful

Do Breachers *need* a transport?

>>95872262
No idea, the unit types haven't been posted yet so for all we know breachers can run in the new edition.

>>95872262
Breachers need a buff, that's what. Taking away their key advantage just so they could make it a fucking reaction for anyone to use, completely fucked them desu.

Theyre too expensive and not survivable enough to actually do their job well.

>>95872317
What's their job supposed to be? I understand the fluff but ingame they just seem superfluous.

Breachers need to drop to 12 points each or gain HotL and/or FotL

>>95872327
In 1.0 they were the defensive alternative to tacticals. Boarding shields forced disordered charges so they were much better at taking a big charge. Still a bit expensive, but their role was clear.

In 2.0 they lost the defense nade buff, so shields on their own are kinda shitty since you can mitigate them by... not wasting low ap weapons on them. Meanwhile a big tac blob is now usually better in melee (defensively) due to low cost and rules.

>>95872216
i mean this isn't that much of a revelation
that one anon here did the same thing after the WS mkii character was shown off years ago
fucking reddit

You know what I hope? That the new edition and FOC puts more focus on the "Mid tier" units and weapons.
I want to see more destroyers and tactical support squads, veterans. Autocannon and heavy bolter HSS, recons and rapiers and stuff. Not just tacticals and the uber elite veteran+ units/

>>95872359
I'd like that too, but I'm not convinced 3.0 is the way to get there.

>>95872357
Best thing is the sculptor was in the thread explaining he did just that and that GW didn't copy anything, they already had all those designs in place and he just applied them to a full model.

>>95872158
wat leejun

>>95872385
Yeah, explains the discrepancies on the parts we hadn't seen yet.

How hard is it to fit a normal backpack on an assault nu-beakie body?

>>95872359
Well considering the detachment system seems to incentivise spamming lots of the same unit types since you minimize the hq tax uh... you better keep hoping the liber books do something radical.

>>95872442
It's not hard.

>>95872442
The nobbly bit on the back of the nubeakies is taller than the usual round nob that goes into jump packs

>>95872376
Neither am I, I just hope it somehow happens.

>>95872464
Sure, spam. But if the "mid tier" units are favorably slotted enough it may be better to take them than splurge for more HQ to take the uber elites (and the legion elites should be limited by being an apex detachment now)

>GW now translated even WarCom articles to spanish
>HH still not translated
Cmon man.

>>95872514
El horuso de heresia la padre problema majoro, paya jeedubya lotsa money

>>95870976
just proooont

Anyone got those LoggyK (RIP to a real one) files hosted somewhere? James seems to have burned them off most of the Internet. Bastards.

The belt feed for the plastic castigator is hella cool. Whoever designed knocked it out of the park.

Any advice on what to build after looking at the leaks? I have some special weapons and heavy weapons options available and not quite sure what should be a priority to build and paint.
I'm doing a mostly bipedal army. Infantry blobs, termies, dreads.

>>95872799
10 man flamer squad, 10 man melta squad

>>95871651
>>95871656
cool

>>95872842
Aren't meltas too short range to safely get the unit close enough to shoot effectively?

>>95872858
Drop pod my dude

>>95872739
You're trying too hard.

>>95872858
Deepstrike is 1" away now with no charge. Any legions with teleport or just drop pods will plunk them down. Even just termis with combi melta.

>>95872799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67R-sfff9g

>>95872858
at 6" range you're gonna fuck a light tank, absence of vehicle squadrons actually hurts melta this edition, go over in a rhino and screw the other guy's plans

reasonably good chance of simply obliterating the spartan, then tying up the deathstar inside with suicide melta guys for a turn

>>95872887
>>95872886
>>95872875
Sounds interesting. I've been trying to avoid rhinos as my army's theme is everything on foot. But that's my problem to solve. Thank you for the advice, anons.

>>95871445
there should be a second inferior primarch option that represents a normal marine impersonating alpharius

>>95870515
>>95870738
Are NuMkIV kneecaps meant to be flush with the shins, or protruding slightly? I can't tell.

>>95872113
>new art doesn't need to be 100% identical
>Old art also didn't match exaclty the old minis
I think you guys are actually on the same page while arguing. This art is currently what GW is saying MkIV is, but the minis will look a little bit different.

>>95871576
Rewards of treason is more like "hey fellas I just returned from deep cover in the space wolves, and this is how they train their best guys". The reward of treason is knowledge.

>>95872799
Hard to say without having seen all the weapons and point costs yet. Everybody is going on about meltaguns, but we don't know if those will cost too much to be decent. Also curious how everybody seems to have forgotten multi-meltas exist, those have double the range of meltaguns. And in the new edition units can move and still shoot heavy weapon, so those could be an option if you don't want a meltagun squad in a Rhino.
For anti-infantry some heavy bolters, volkite culverins or plasma cannons would probably work.

>>95872931
>Are NuMkIV kneecaps meant to be flush with the shins, or protruding slightly? I can't tell.
I think they're meant to be flush. Would make it easier to fit to the same skeleton as the others.

>>95871268
I wouldn't mind a xenos range for a great crusade book, but only if they were meaningfully different from 40k's range. Some wholly new races would be good; just say they got wiped out in the crusade. For orks, I'd love to see a revival of their classic more advanced look. For Eldar, combine all varieties into an immediate post-fall army which hasn't had the time to develop distinct cultures. This guy attached was designed to bridge that gap, and I think the aesthetic would work well for a full army.

>>95872954
Can't believe somebody at GW repeatedly copy-pasted the same 5 marines in CAD, changed a few details to make it look close enough to whatever mark of power armour it has to be, and still got paid for it.

>>95872969
You do know that Craftworld Eldar split off before the Birth of Slaanesh right? And only those who fled early enough didn't still end up getting caught in the cataclysm.

>>95872970
You have no idea about sculpting my dude.

>>95872757
AAAAAAAAA I'M PROOOOOOOOOOOONTING
itsy bitsy plasma bombards and a saturnine carapace with a fucking bear splayed across it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E6J4Wy8iKA&

>>95872985
Yes but even so, the cultures would've diverged a lot more in the 10,000 years after

>>95873013
Based channel.

>>95873013
Kino.
I really wish these guys would do something for Titanicus.

>>95872359
>more destroyers
I never leave home without them. I'm making more out of the new box set too.

>>95872995
born to proont

who buys gw plastic anymore???

>>95873071
I do. What proontfags don't tell you is that printing fucking sucks, takes way too much time and effort and supports warp a lot of detail.

>>95873076
>supports warp a lot of detail.
You were correct til this point. Print and support well and you can't see where the supports were. It does take a lot of time and space though. Its an investment so initial start up is expensive, but you will end up paying less in the long run.

>>95873105
Nah it doesn't matter how well you place supports sometimes they just fuck up everything. I speak from experience. Here, look at this, looks good, right?

Im not a hh player but I was painted one of the old mk3 earlier for my firstborn 40k army and thought id look at the new ones. Why are they so different? The design is totally different and they dont look like the evil knight mark anymore. Id guess minor changes but the entire backpack is different

>>95873118
Now look at the underside. Works here because it won't be seen but it killed all the detail. And having to tweak each print 200 times so it comes out perfect and doesn't fail 70% of the time or warps is a pain in the ass. I want the models, not the process. Plastic is easy and fast.

>>95873128
Short version: Redesign of the range due to either new people wanting to make their mark, aiming for modern design sensibilities, and/or just plain weirdness.

>>95873139
I wonder if its because the last mk3 models already scale pretty well with hh2.0 and theyd be no reason to rebuy it all unless its not "correct"

>>95871656
The only thing I like about all the status effects is that Night Lords won't get pushed into using rotor cannons. Just seeing terror squads walking around with gattling guns is enough to make me laugh.

>>95873152
Could be. Also backpacks, guns, etc all got remade to be incompatible.

>>95873133
Thats a (you) problem. Even so, you wont se that side either.

>>95872757

Where are those printed bits from? Only thing I hate about NuMkIII is the helmet and pads!

>>95873133
You're bad at supports.

Threw together this comparison. Considering the slight scale and proportion increase, but the new designs as well (some see as good others as bad) will or would you buy and replace your mk3?

>>95873244
Staying with old 100%. I stockpiled before new version came out, and I'll print when that's insufficient.

>>95873244
Look at those knees man how are they supposed to work?

>>95872757
>>95873202
I would also like to know, those rock

>>95873244
I will concede I like the cod plate on the new one more than old

>>95873244
I like both kits and don’t care about scale so I’d just use both

>>95873244
I would never replace my models with new ones like some demented hoarder, but if I needed additional mkIII I would either purchase recasts or wait for an ebay deal. The scale increase alone is enough reason but I also do not like the design.

>>95871889
Stop cock-teasing you faggot, who's is it.

>>95873133
i think your supports might be 2lorge along with maybe some overexposure going on
it's a very brittle material to do further cleanup with besides
don't be afraid to go at it in the cleaning vat with a very, very used toothbrush

>>95872994
What sculpting? It's all CAD shit now, what anon described is exactly what they did.

>>95873244
Yes, I'm a sucker for correct scale. I'd just buy Tortuga instead of GW's nushit, giving me both correct scale *and* correct designs.

night lordingers please share your hqs with me

>>95873343
The axe is the way it is because I wanted it to be able to pull double duty as a thunder hammer or paragon blade.

>>95873244
I hate being reee, new thing bad, but new is genuinely worse.

All the weird curves to the plates, legs that are designed so the marines physically can't stand up straight, loss of the iconic boots, the distinctive shoulder pads having far less of that distinct top trim, and the mk.ii underneath no longer being what it's meant to be - replacing the overlapping plates with the shitty ring plate design.

They literally had a new scale mk.iii already, you can see it for DA destroyer dudes, they've just redesigned everything to try encourage people to buy new models.

I haven't seen any refer to bonus attacks for charging in the leaked rules yet. That would be an interesting change if so. Even the rules for pistol don't say anything about it counting as a HTH weapon

>>95873419
Impact (Attacks) would allow you to give a bonus attack on charge. It won't be the general rule though.

>>95873419
Like the other anon said, I think it's moved to Impact(x). I also noticed that a centurion from the box has 4 base attacks.

>>95873327
Yeah no. They did the complete opposite. They sculpted the entire thing first, then posed it in the same way. No one would use such different sculpts as a base just because the pose is the same. It's easier and faster to start from scratch. You idiots have no idea how sculpting works, digital or not.

>>95873447

Oh yea I saw that and all just commenting on the base bonus.

I think that would be very interesting bc (unfortunately/allegedly) the WS table didn't change. If thats the case then having less attacks in hth overall would be decent at least. It wasn't just that thunder hammers were OP, it was also having so many TH attacks (or fists for that matter) in a single round of hth

>>95873459
>it was also having so many TH attacks (or fists for that matter) in a single round of hth
The fact we got attacks modifier and they're not slapping it on stuff like hammers and fists is a real missed opportunity.

So I might’ve missed it, the Assault Phase rules are long, but

I can’t find anywhere that you get +1A for charging, nor for having 2 melee weapons?

>>95873459
>>95873461
The big part of S8 domination was also an instant death; so far I've seen nothing about it.

>>95873475
Once damage exists, instant death doesn't make much sense.

>>95873467
Unless it's listed somewhere else or you and I are blind, it's not there.
Melee looking more and more fucked.

>>95873359
>The axe is the way it is because I wanted it to be able to pull double duty as a thunder hammer or paragon blade.
Why stop there?

>>95873507
>me am play God

>>95873202
Since this nignog won't reply I'm like 90% sure its Red-Warden on 3dcults.

Is solar auxiliary looking playable

I hope they give armigers the wardog weapon options and also put moriaxes in the same army list and also put the plasma cannon/conversion beamer/big flamer/extendo-drill/collar missiles in as options for knights.

>>95873539
Nope

>>95873544
>WS4, BS4

>>95873448
Theyre not posed similarly, they are posed identically.

Yes of course they design the base model first than put it into the poses, how else would you do it?

The point is the have a bunch if preset poses that every mark of armour has been designed to fit into generically. Any feature if the armour that would get in the way of that goes into the trash.

2(3?) Sets of armour, all conforming to the same skeleton, all made to be the same with some surface level details swapped around.

Anyone else reckon there army lists are no longer usable thanks to the new terrible force org chart? All the changes for 3.0 have been okay to me besides this new chart. Literally think both my armies wont be playable and they’re fairly normal lists

>>95873669
I have over 20 marine lists on new recruit alone and for all of them the only change I needed to make was at most add 1 Centurion to get all the slots. Stop spamming dreadnoughts. And yes, 3 at 3k is still spam. 2 is borderline

Given the rules previews anyone thinking about going back to 1.0? Me and my mates already play 4th ed 40k over 10th a lot of the time

>>95873688
I play WS and have no dreadnoughts. It’s just that I’ve taken one unit out of most of those new detachments.

My black shields army only has one dreadnought but suffers from the same problem

>>95873691
I'm sticking with 2.0, with a mix of houserules and backports.

>>95869834
>Make 2 plastic HQ characters
>Refuse to make any more in plastic after that
What did GW mean by this?

>>95873696
Stop playing the game wrong anon.
Balanced, diverse list = bad
Spamming lots of the same unit types = good.

Either that or embrace hq tax.

>>95873723
Honestly, the fact they've replaced mandatory troops with whats effectively a centurion tax is really indicative of the direction they're going.

Heresy isn't about legions of space marines clashing, its about herohammer now.

>>95873711
I wouldn't be surprised if they're releasing a generic centurion kit like the old space marine captain, because of the above.

>>95873723
any reason why theyd change the FoC to this 7th ed mess? It didn't work then and it won't work now. It's been the only major slip up in this new ed and I think it's a serious fuck up.

And they're claiming it's more flexible than the FoC? Get real. People left 7h ed to HH1.0 because of detachments. Its kinda ironic/deaf

I hope weapons that cause Panic stack with Fear; if Night Lords get Fear buff's I might roll around with flamer/heavy flamer squads

>>95873613
y

>>95873777
Make powergaming easier. That or pushing centurion model sales.

Also there is 100% guaranteed to be future aux detatchments with fucking bonuses/perks/new prime bonuses to make people buy more (insert new model here).

>>95873780
The idea of marines in environmentally sealed power/terminator armour being freaked out by a punny flamer is pretty funny.

Is the new powergamer strat gonna be to have various special/combi weapons/shotguns etc to just try spam like 4 status checks every turn?

>>95873777
They don't change the game to make it better, they change the game to make it different

>>95873860
>marines don't care about flamers!
>fails one save, dies.
nah

>>95873777
most Rites are just Formations by another name

>>95873780
they do, Fear (X) works on all the brain stats

>>95873939
retarded logic

most cakes are just pies by another name

>>95873923
>terminator with rerollable 2+ save against flamer panics and runs screaming from a punny flamer that doesn't even warm them up

>>95873942
>>/40kg/

>>95873943
>an entire legion has 2 editions worth of special rules specifically tied to its cowardice
>guise why wud ternimators runway?

>>95873822
>BS 3 vehicles and now no rerolls
>WS Chart
>Every blast is AP4
>Dracosan will probably still be vastly overcosted
>No Melta
>No Instant death so our 1 good dueling weapon is ded.

>>95873953
>>95873953
>>95873953

>>95873943
How do you know that panic affects terminators? Would you run if you were burning in Terminator armor?

>>95873013
I'm in this video

>>95873969
The space wolf guy, right? Good job, Anon!

>>95873514
Jesus fuck I didn't expect to run headlong into a 2009 Dresden Codak reference in this day & age.

>>95873860
>environmentally sealed =/= fireproof
Seams in the arm and hip joints aren't metal and flamethrowers will absolutely eat through them. Also metal simply gets hot, being cooked inside a metal box isn't exactly a calming sensation.

>>95873202
red wardens, i already shared them look at the archives.

>>95873650
Considering that they can pose the models after sculpting them, I wonder if they're fully rigged and if the animations use the exact same models as the plastic kits?

>>95872359
>You know what I hope? That the new edition and FOC puts more focus on the "Mid tier" units and weapons.
Disintegrators are mid alright

>>95874389
I didn't pay that much attention when they released the box, is that the new default weapon for tacticals instead of boltguns?

>>95873419
>Even the rules for pistol don't say anything about it counting as a HTH weapon
I think that has been shifted to being able to shoot pistols when charging as a volley fire.

>>95874329
The type of mesh you’ll use for animation is not good for sculpts and vice versa. I wouldn’t be surprised if they share a common ancestor

Captcha NNSSY

>>95871952
So, instead of making the carriage and gun sprues separate, they made two of the carriage sprues with different guns?

Still feels wrong that Shrouded is just inferior version of feel no pain now...

>>95874932
more like a sidegrade on par with volkite chargers

>>95875267
why, given how it worked in 2.0 its a level change. I think it is disappointing it isn't more interesting, would be awesome if it worked like the AL legion rule and fucked your measuring instead or something.

>>95873244
I wouldn't. The new one looks like shit and it's a worse experience in building too because it's not even compatible with the absolute wealth of FW upgrades and straight up comes with less things. With that in mind why the fuck would I want to do that?

>>95873507
Youre actually right, a halberd would have been a good idea. I have a second torso so maybe ill end up doing that at some point, have a bunch of them from other stuff.

Probably wouldnt give him LC though, not unless its the more restrained ones like they have on the black templar primaris or the NL kill team.

>>95874932
It seems to be a veteran weapon, probably about par with volkite and shit. Which is really quite a downgrade for fucking disintigrators.

Imagine if the Custodes ones are this shit. Adrathic weapons are just Ap3 now.

I’m starting to think this leaker is GW with the way he’s been posting…