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>>Previous thread:
>>95879959

>Thread Question:
What homebrew concept(s) do you believe would fit well in the Warhammer 40,000 Universe if made canon?

*blocks your path*

>>95883793 (OP)
>TQ
I've thought of a concept that has varying names, but the one I like the most is "scruff company."
Derives from the word "scruffy."
I like to imagine that it is Imperial guard slang that is finding growing official use as such guard regiments become more common in the Dark Imperium.

It is to describe a guard regiment typically found in the Imperium Nihilus that has devolved in equipment uniformity due to supply lines being scarce and/or cut but never short of calls for combat.

Pic related is a Star Wars Imperial Remnant stormtrooper concept art piece to try and help give a visual explanation. To hopefully help one visualize an Imperial Guard scruff company.

Funnily enough GW is kind of doing that with the previous Cadians upgrade sprue showing that not all guardsmen get helmets and with the current Cadians with their lasrifles looking like they are from different forgeworlds given their different patterns.

reposting poorhammer

>>95883803
>*Unblocks my path*

Firstborn are 8ft tall, primaris are 9-10ft tall.

Post blue Orks

>>95883793 (OP)
>space Aussies
>not a single Owen gun
Boo!

>>95883793 (OP)
New BT ancient announced

>>95883845
>Firstborn are 7ft tall, primaris are 8ft tall.
ftfy

>>95883849
If I was given the authority to call you blork enjoyers a group name I'd call you guys the "Blork Brigade."
I love seeing blue armoured orks.
Recipe for your nice green skin, please?

>>95883860
Nah.

>>95883828
I’ve been thinking along similar lines, though my inspiration was Chinese troops in the 1940s, using gear that’s been imported/captured from several different countries.

>>95883859
Why does he have cat eyes?

>>95883889
why don't you?

>>95883895
>>95883845
Based

>>95883879
>I’ve been thinking along similar lines
I love bumping into those that share similar interests in concepts I find appealing!
My inspiration was just irregular militaries in general.
But you're right the Chinese troops in the 40s were real exemplars of such a concept. Did their whole aspect of looking irregular due to captured gear and imported stuff from many different nations ever get an official military term? I did a quick search and managed to not find anything.
But some terms did pop up like "maritime militia" and "irregular forces."

>>95883793 (OP)
Chaos Tau as a breakaway group like the Farsight Enclaves. They got caught in the Maledictum and got hard exposed to warp energies. Now they’re set up on some worlds close to the rift and raid into Tau and Imperial space.

>>95883793 (OP)
>What homebrew concept(s) do you believe would fit well in the Warhammer 40,000 Universe if made canon?
I would import some Destiny factions. For example, I will import the faction where the whole society is composed of clones created from spliced DNA patterns with Bolter shotguns and they have giant ships who eat planets for resources. But to make it different, I will replace its leader with another Destiny character who is a giant Dark Age of Technology AI core who produces an army of robots. A combination of these two have never been done by any 40k faction before.

>>95883793 (OP)
TQ
Being a psychic race means the warp affects you as much as you affect it. The eldar fall was not directly their fault, but their emotional states were influenced by the corrupted realms of souls ( later to be the warp) this caused them to act in hedonism which went to the warp which went back out again until slaanesh happened. The starting point not being any races hubris, but the horrors of the war in heaven

How can I use saturine in 40k

>>95883898
>guardsmen are half the height of a terminator
huh wat GW mean by this?

So which is the best terminator pattern now?

>>95883911
Are primarchs wearing terminator armor

>>95883910
The just follow the canon height

>>95883793 (OP)
>TQ
What about more IRL failed projects? Bolters are gyrojets. We have flechette guns, attempts to fit two bullets in the same cartridge so it fires both at the same time and hopefully shoots two in the same spot it didn't and had worse accuracy.

>>95883862
>Army painter greenskin base
>AP desert yellow highlight
>Vallejo xpress orc skin wash
>Desert yellow again
>AP moon dust for the highest points

>>95883908
>Being a psychic race means the warp affects you as much as you affect it.
What about Orks? In fact, given how massively numerous Orks are, is Khorne hugely Ork influenced?

>>95883911
Saturnine for me still.

>>95883830
thats more sovl than most minis ngl

>>95883895
That's like posting a dreadknight to "mog" primarchs.

>>95883918
Anon I hate to break it to you but that armor is empty on both sides.

>>95883917
Perturabo and Horus.

>>95883919
>ttempts to fit two bullets in the same cartridge so it fires both at the same time and hopefully shoots two in the same spot
Iirc the vindicare have this as one of their special rounds.

>>95883925
Thanks anon!

>>95883911
Cataphractii/Indomitus > the Saturnine in my heart > the Squat exo-armour in my heart.
No other TDA exists.

>>95883911
Regular Tartaros is shit, but Chaos Tartaros is peak. Not sure how that happened.

>>95883926
>is Khorne hugely Ork influenced?
Yes, so much so that khorne is in some passages told to bear the facial features of an ork instead of the more traditional hound head, and there's an easter egg in the lord of skull's crest where the "bunny ears" of one option are two orkish profiles.

>>95883919
Twin/storm weapons.

>>95883946
Pic not related?

>>95883911
anything but that piece of shit on the right

>>95883908
That's not headcanon, that's canon.

>>95883926
>is Khorne hugely Ork influenced?
Always has been.

>>95883932
Ferrus did as well.

>>95883956
Really not nice to say about Indomitus anon.

>>95883898
>>95883865
yeah
firstborn >>95882578
primaris >>95882732

>>95883911
Gravis

>>95883976
Nah.

>>95883926
Yes. Considering Gork and Mork aren't real Gods, everything the Orks do actually feeds into Khorne.

>>95883993
>Considering Gork and Mork aren't real Gods
Nulore, ignore.

>>95883911
Note how the first three all have similar proportions and armour elements that make them believable iteration of the same concept.

Then there's that completely out of place abomination that people will buy just cause it's much bigger.

>>95884001
Sucks to suck, NPC.

>>95883976
Old lore, ignore.

>>95883977
Gravis isn't terminators. They got no invuln, no deepstrike, and any basic bitch primaris can have him armor fitted for it.

>>95883828
I’ve seen this idea and that exact picture used as an example of the concept.
Maybe this will be the “traitor legion descended loyalist chapter” of guard homebrew but I couldn’t care less. I love the concept and I think “scruff company” would fit well in 40k canon.

Really I think the best kind of homebrew is the kind that leaves concepts for other homebrewers to utilize for their own homebrew.

>>95883993
>Gork and Mork aren't real Gods
They are as real as the chaos gods, gorkamorka is even more real than them.

>>95884005
I will buy Saturnine because it's cool.

What's he waiting for?

>>95884012
They aren't. The Grotsnik book states Gork and Mork are a collective hallucination caused by the Orks which has implanted itself across their race due the nature of their psychic nature. They 'exist' because the Orks have deluded thmselves into thinking they do. If the Orks were wiped out, Gork and Mork would cease to exist.

>>95884045
>collective hallucination caused by people which has implanted itself across their race due the nature of their psychic nature
that's a description that applies to all chaos gods too, you retard.

>>95884036
Emperor to wake up.

>>95883903
I don’t think they had a specific term for it, lack of uniformity and standardization was a thing going at least as far back as the Warlord Era, beyond basics like using Mauser 1886 rifles or locally-produced copies. The KMT (specifically Chiang Kai-shek’s units, rather than just the warlords that decided to join during and after the Northern Expedition) was an outlier in being able to attempt standardization, at least for their most elite (German trained and equipped) units, before the Japanese invasion.

>>95884045
>If the Orks were wiped out, Gork and Mork would cease to exist.
No, warp entities exist beyond space and time, gork and mork for example exist in other universes too, such as aos and blood bowl.
As long as orkiness exists, gork and mork will exist.

>>95884045
>Gork and Mork are a collective hallucination caused by the Orks which has implanted itself across their race due the nature of their psychic nature.
Man wait till you read about how Slaanesh was formed.

>>95883911
cata = indomitus >>>> saturnine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tartaros

>>95884036
Them to refresh the blood Angels refresh again

>>95884045
...So just like every other chaos God?

>>95884096
What's wrong with Tartar-sauce?

>>95884103
apple iMac terminator armor

>>95883793 (OP)
As a testament to Eldar failure, I joke that AoS Teclis sorting through souls puked from Slaanesh has a trash bin just for Eldar souls.
>Elf
>Elf
>Oh fuck, another useless Eldar
>Elf
>Elf
>Into the trash this Eldar soul goes

>>95884113
That is kinda funny

I painted for 13 hours last night and didn't even finish 5 marines

>>95884011
>I’ve seen this idea and that exact picture used as an example of the concept.
I mean it wouldn't be hard to see why. Guardsmen in such a situation is a logical (in an otherwise illogical setting) state that 40k guard regiments could find themselves in. Especially in the Dark Imperium where things are said to be really bad. I'm not sure how the Imperium Sanctus' situation is described but I haven't found much description of how bad things are in the Nihilus. Maybe head(s) of narrative are trying to keep things vague so that they can be as awful as one's imagination would make it.

>Maybe this will be the “traitor legion descended loyalist chapter” of guard homebrew but I couldn’t care less.
Neither could I, but I think there is more leeway in repeated concepts of the guard given that they aren't as popular as space marines so they get a pass. But I can definitely see things like not having a homeworld due to the Tanith and Cadia giving guard enthusiasts inspiration for them being a recurring theme.
It sure is for what I have planned.

>>95884075
>I don’t think they had a specific term for it, lack of uniformity and standardization was a thing going at least as far back as the Warlord Era,
Maybe "irregular military" is the umbrella term that the Chinese armies fit under at the time.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregular_military
But I'm just spitballing a guess as to why there is no term for an army or armies that find themselves in such a state.

>>95884062
>>95884102
Gork and Mork aren't real Gods, they're fascimiles implanted onto the Orks' gestalt as a way to weaponize them. Gork and Mork only continue to exist so long as the Orks believe they do, and cease to exist if the Ork gestalt is too damaged to remember them.
The only real Gods in 40k are the Chaos Gods and the Emperor.
>>95884076
Fantasy and 40k are not the same and have no ties to each other aside from some names.
>>95884080
Slaanesh always existed. The Eldar 'gods' are minor aspects of the Chaos Gods that the Old Ones used as a method to control the Eldar. Most came from Slaanesh and were subsequently re-absorbed once Slaanesh awoke. The 'survivors' are Isha (and aspect of Nurgle), Khaine (an aspect of Khorne), and Cegorach (an aspect of Tzeentch). The Old ones tried to utilize the 'good' within the Chaos Gods for the Eldar.

>>95884103
>someone at FW took the "dreadnought" part of "tactical dreadnought armour" literally and made a miniature contemptor
>just like how now we have a saturnine dreadnought and saturnine terminators
So, when are we getting Cataphractii and Indomitus pattern dreadnoughts? What about Castraferrum, Leviathan and Deredeo pattern tactical dreadnought armour?

>>95884113
I genuinely want to see aos tackling.

As well as seraphon templeships sighted fighting tzeentchian silver towers in space.

>>95884109
I don't see it.

>>95884135
>Gork and Mork only continue to exist so long as the Orks believe they do, and cease to exist if the Ork gestalt is too damaged to remember them.
That's 40k Warp gods in general.

>>95884135
>Fantasy and 40k are not the same and have no ties to each other aside from some names.
Canon, both old and new, has repeatedly confirmed they're connected, and there's never been a period when GW said otherwise.

>>95884135
>Fantasy and 40k are not the same and have no ties to each other aside from some names.
The Warp is the same for both, according to the designers. Skarbrand in WHFB and AoS is the same Skarbrand as in 40k.

>>95884126
I spent my hobby time I could have spent painting 40k models looking at porn.
Your post has been a wake up call to me. I can't keep going on like this.

>>95884135
>Slaanesh always existed.
Incorrect my friend, even Fantasy lore has the birth of Slaanesh.

>>95884139
>>someone at FW took the "dreadnought" part of "tactical dreadnought armour" literally and made a miniature contemptor
I mean, I think that is an actually cool detail.
It shows the standardized nature of Imperial technology and how most of it come from the same STC templates which have then been adapted and modified by the mechanicus to suit different functions or roles.

>>95884036
11th edition BA refresh…..

>>95884135
>Fantasy and 40k are not the same and have no ties to each other aside from some names.
Meanwhile Magnus showing up in a Fantasy book.
People really should read the lore before saying things.

>>95884036
new release of space hulk

>>95884135
>Gork and Mork aren't real Gods
Well neither are Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh.
All they are just emotions and belief of mortal races being pooled into the Warp.
If all mortal races vanished across the universe then the chaos gods would vanish as well.

>>95884144
No, it's not. The Chaos Gods will continue to exist in perpetuity, as will the Emperor. The Chaos Gods can be influenced to certain degrees by the style of worship provided to them, and can be interpreted in many ways.
Gork and Mork are rigid and structured in both their 'worship' and their 'influence' because they're not real Gods, they're fixed concepts made to goad the Orks into conflicts.

>>95884135
>fascimiles implanted onto the Orks' gestalt as a way to weaponize them.
your headcanon is groundless

the chaos gods function in the same exact way, gw in an article describing the gods of aos put gorkamorka in the same category of the chaos gods as an elemental/conceptual god, unlike the other kinds, the ascended ones.

>>95884158
shut the fuck up its gay so its not real, faggot

>>95884164
>Gork and Mork are rigid and structured
The orks can't even decide which is which.

>>95883828
Back in good old days of 3rd edition this was called hardened veterans, had it's own rules and was build a bear squad where you could exchange lasguns for shotguns or pistols with ccw and give your squad fuckload of special/heavy weapons and sergant could get officer wargear that was reserved for HQ.
Vets were allowed to ignore equipment and uniform restriction.
Also there is Savlar chem-dogs are guard regiment who are criminals pressed into service and are motivated for fighting by allowing them to keep what they looted, they are badly equipped and just steal stuff from corpses or other regiments and are known to do improvised field repairs that sometimes cause Mechanicus to sperg out and press for death penalty.

>>95884169
>the gods of aos
Once again
Chaos in Fantasy/AoS is not the Warp in 40k.
>>95884152
>>95884158
These are not canon sources.

The Tartaros head looks like a Weevil and I respect that, I respect the bug pig dog face

>>95884164
>Gork and Mork are rigid and structured in both their 'worship' and their 'influence' because they're not real Gods, they're fixed concepts made to goad the Orks into conflicts.
What. They're Orks. They can't even decide who is brutal kunning and who is kunning brutality.

>>95884148
I'm not sure how people get it in their heads that it isn't the case, like GW has been very consistent with that.

>>95884164
>No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
>The Chaos Gods will continue to exist in perpetuity
only as long as there are people fueling them somewhere in the multiverse, which is the same exact case for gork and mork

>and can be interpreted in many ways. Gork and Mork are rigid and structured
nigger, the one and main feature of gork and mork is how they're mixed up by everyone, or how orks see them in literally everything, remember the great rift? for orks that's mork's grin

>>95884193
>These are not canon sources.
yes they are, cope all you want

>>95884193
>These are not canon sources.
>official GW book that literally got a reprint not too long ago
Sounds canon to me.

>>95884193
>Once again
It doesn't matter if you repeat your bullshit again, the canon is that the universes are connected and the metaphysics and warp are the same.

This is not a matter of debate, gw has been explicit about the connection all along.

>>95884153
>lorelet

>>95884189
I remember hardened veterans with shotguns but I wasn't into 40k during 3rd edition.
Still that's a good tidbit.
>Also there is Savlar chem-dogs are guard regiment who are criminals pressed into service and are motivated for fighting by allowing them to keep what they looted, they are badly equipped and just steal stuff from corpses or other regiments and are known to do improvised field repairs that sometimes cause Mechanicus to sperg out and press for death penalty.
I didn't know GW beat me to the punch with so many concepts like pressed criminals and looting, and badly equipped. I feel pretty good about it somehow.
Do they have a lot of techsorcists hard pressed with removing chaos symbols and supernatural taint off of looted gear as well?

>>95884201
>I'm not sure how people get it in their heads that it isn't the case
It's marinefags who feel the importance of their special snowflakes threatened by the fact the battle for the racial soul of mankind is being decided elsewhere.

>Gork and Mork have no daemons
>They have no designated realm in the Warp
>They don't even have proper forms
Ergo; they are not real Gods.
Why is this difficult for people to understand?

>>95884244
>Gork and Mork have no daemons

I’ve got a feeling the likelihood of a new Space Marine unit has gone down in favor of just characters for the roadmap, which was pretty much a given regardless.

>>95884248
Orks are not daemons, anon.

>>95883828
They made the Blooded Kill Team. If you mix it with the Cadian set, you pretty much get exactly what you want.

>>95884244
>They don't even have proper forms
Anon we literally have official art of it.

>>95884244
>>Gork and Mork have no daemons
yes, they do, the idols the orks build get inhabited by them
>>They have no designated realm in the Warp
yes, they do, it's called the great green
>>They don't even have proper forms
yes, they do, they look like giant orks, there's even a rogue trader artwork of them duking it out

>>95884258
You might be right, anon.
I think the Ohgram however you spell it Tyranid vote winning over space marines has shown that even the normie side of the 40k fanbase is having "marine fatigue."
I'm not sure what else to call it or if "marine fatigue" is a sufficient term for getting bored of space marines.

>>95884244
GHR doesn't have demons either

>>95884264
That isn't canon any more anon.
>>95884268
>Idols
Not in 40k.
>Great green
That's the Ork psychic collective, not a Warp realm.
>Rogue Trader art
See above, no longer canon.

>>95884264
>khorne spending centuries on the skull throne watching two green retards constantly duke it out for eternity

>>95884281
>That isn't canon any more anon.

>>95884279
The verminlords are demons.
It doesn't bother creating lesser demons because it's got an entire race of physical agents entirely dedicated to it already, like gork and mork with orks.

>>95884263
>If you mix it with the Cadian set, you pretty much get exactly what you want.
I actually have previous Cadian guardsmen bits from Ebay.
I also have also made orders from Madrobot and Anvil to mix and match to create such an effect. I'm looking for a reliable Etsy 3D printing service to print gas mask previous Cadian style helmets so I can reuse the face exposed helmets for the Madrobot/Anvil bits.
I also need to reorganize my hobby space and get maybe a cheap plastic drawer set for all the bits I'll have.

Reminder that for the longest time (especially after WHFB and before AoS) the Great Horned Rat was an active Chaos God without daemons.

>>95884281
>That isn't canon any more anon.
Oh yeah? Post a source that has contradicted it. Everything els in the original Waaargh: Orks sourcebook which that image is sourced from is still consistent. So unless you want to say all the ork clans are non-canon because they come from the same source or basically all ork lore.

>>95883849
Have some of my bluest beast sniggers

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>95884281
>>Idols
>Not in 40k.
Uhh...

>>95884300
I still don’t get where retards are getting that skaven weren’t chaos when it was explicitly mentioned they were in the army books

Slaanesh being born during 40k and joining the Chaos Gods and the GHR joining them with Slaanesh already a member would give a strange implication the Chaos Gods moved beyond 40k into WHFB.

>>95884300
Hashut doesn't have them either if I remember right.

>>95884294
Exactly

>>95884281
>Not in 40k.
Yes, in 40k too, the larger mechanical behemoths of the orks are the vessels for the spirit of the gods.
>That's the Ork psychic collective, not a Warp realm.
the psychic collective IS a warp realm, you utter faggot, souls are in the warp, the effect in real space is the waaagh field not the great green, which also houses the souls of the dead, like the warp does, because it is in the warp
>no longer canon.
you don't decide what's canon, it's not been directly contradicted so it's still canon, and their appearance has been referenced in other recent materials so it's definitely still canon

You're wrong on all fronts and should shut up

>>95884300
>>95884312
horned rat is not a chaos god and you cannot force me to believe bad lore against my will

>>95884300
the great horned rat has had demons since the first skaven armybook, you idiot.

>>95884315
That is correct anon, chaos showed up to Fantasy with all four there, and fantasy sources mention the birth of Slaanesh so obviously it would be before the polar gates opened.

>>95884273
>”marine fatigue”
>after SM2 had GW stores running out of Space Marine kits
Considering how the Grey Knights model release for 10th edition is a baby carrier upgrade sprue, I’d wager it’s just GW’s production schedule not being able to match expectations.

I'm starting to think /40kg/ is extremely indian for their obsession with heights.

>>95884273
What sort of infantile delusion is this

>>95884332
It's not a new development, despite what your fat retards on youtube told you, skaven have literally ALWAYS been chaos.

>>95884335
>after SM2 had GW stores running out of Space Marine kits
I forgot about SM2 making shops run out of space marine stuff.
Perhaps that doesn't count as maybe it was just new fresh blood coming into the hobby I think?
>Considering how the Grey Knights model release for 10th edition is a baby carrier upgrade sprue, I’d wager it’s just GW’s production schedule not being able to match expectations.
I still don't understand how GW has not gotten the message that baby carrier models are not good no matter how you try it.

>>95884332
Anon he's always been one, maybe not one of the big dark gods but he's always been a minor chaos god like Hashut, Necoho, Zuvassin, Malice, the Raptor God, and now Vashtorr.

>>95884340
nah it's just full of manlets that are compensating by arguing about the height of plastic toy space men

>>95884134
“Irregular” is a nebulous term that also encompasses stuff like the unit’s tactical usage and/or recruiting methods in addition to their equipment, but I’d say the bulk of Chinese units (except the foreign-trained ones) would count as irregular. The KMT’s more “regular” forces eventually diverged from whatever their original standard kit was supposed to be due to circumstances, but I’d consider that enough of a gray area to count them as irregular in the equipment aspect.

>>95884341
I don't think it was delusion. It was just me forgetting that SM2 brought in fresh blood that may have offset marine fatigue. Not that I believe marine fatigue isn't there. I'm sure the percentage of 40k fans with marine fatigue has gone down significantly now that there is new blood in the warhammer side of this miniature hobby thanks to space marine 2.

>>95884315
>the Chaos Gods moved beyond 40k into WHFB.
it's the other way around:
the chaos gods were formed in fantasy in the exact moment the old ones disappeared.
in 40k they appeared millions of years after the disappearance of the old ones.

>>95884230
>Do they have a lot of techsorcists hard pressed with removing chaos symbols and supernatural taint off of looted gear as well?
They are mostly deployed on Armageddon against orks, so it's mostly looted Imperial equipment or relooted from orks. I recomend 8th edition guard codex, it had some stuff about them. Ah I also forgot to mention while they are poorly equipped they still get chem-inhaler as basic gear, so they fight on drugs as standard.
There was also regiment that used captured ork wargear like shootas and choopas and implemented parts of ork culture including brawls as method of resolving conflicts. Armageddon Ork Hunters.

>>95884362
There's no such thing as marine fatigue

>>95884036
He's not waiting for anything-
He saw the sanguinary guard refresh and an heroed.

>>95884311
>>95884324
Stompas are machiens powered by conventional means. Are Titans to be considered Daemons of the Emperor? Is a Manta a Daemon of the Greater Good? No, they aren't.
>the psychic collective IS a warp realm, you utter faggot, souls are in the warp, the effect in real space is the waaagh field not the great green, which also houses the souls of the dead, like the warp does, because it is in the warp
Ork souls fall into the Warp the same as any other race and are treated just the same. Orks believing that the 'Great Green' exists are the same as Imperials believing the Emperor has a table in the Warp where all of his faithful go after death (which may occur when he ascends, bit does not exist yet).
And RT has been only dubiously canon for years, anything within it that isn't backed up by more modern sources can be considered non-canon.

>lorefaggotry

The proportions look off
Ai slop
Someone fix

>>95884312
Chaos for some odd reason is the one faction where people get really set in their headcanons and get really mad when chaos doesn't follow those specific preconceived notions. Happens all the time on here.
>constant arguing about the NL and IW not worshiping chaos
>constant arguing about there being more gods than the big four
>constant arguing about connected warp
I'm not sure why this is the case but it is the most common and transcends the games much like the warp itself.

>>95884379
>Stompas are machiens powered by conventional means. Are Titans to be considered Daemons of the Emperor?
Irrelevant.
Gargants and Stompas are idols and incarnations of the ork gods made manifest.

>>95884379
Jesus fucking Christ you are a stupid motherfucker. If you're so hell bent on correcting people, make sure you're actually correct before you open your fat fucking lips, you dumb gorilla nigger.

>>95883793 (OP)
Finished building my Blightlords boys. I'll go ahead and drill my barrels and get ready to prime. It's been raining for weeks straight here! Next up are the plague marines. Going to do some slight kitbashing to achieve 3 Heavy PW and I'll need to get a second Spewer. Otherwise, do you think people will know the difference between the Belcher or Spewer?

>>95884360
So if "scruff company" needs a pseudo latin name what would you give it?
"Irregularii militarum"
"Regio Iregularii?"
"Militarum Irregularum?"

>>95884366
>8th edition guard codex
I need to reread that. I was finally able to afford 40k when 8th edition rolled around.
>they fight on drugs as standard
I'm starting to love the Savlar more.
>Armageddon Ork Hunters
I know about those guys. If I recall correctly they're like their own separate thing from the Steel Legion for the Armageddon jungles that somehow exist on Armageddon.
Didn't those start as converted Catachan models?

>>95884385
>space marines have cartoonish proportions
SHUT THE FRICK UP?!

Teach me about sisters, which order is the most fun?

>>95884386
>>constant arguing about the NL and IW not worshiping chaos
IW do, NL don't. NL in fact view the marines do worship Chaos as weaklings. Are they corrupted by Chaos? Yes. Both of them are. But that doesn't mean worship.
>>constant arguing about there being more gods than the big four
There are. Hashut and Great Horned Rat, Necoho and Malice to name a few.
>>constant arguing about connected warp
It is connected between all of the Warhammer IPs, for better or worse (mostly for the worse) >>95884201

>>95884397
>>95884390
The idols that were actually being referred to were Fantasy's Rogue Idols, which ARE magically-induced walking idols of stone.
Stompas and Gargants are SYMBOLIC idols, nothing about them is magical or divine.

>>95884419
>moving goalposts

Black Templars pity model looks pretty good actually. I like that their standard is a shield you can paint any way you want. Pity model is fine, they have a fantastic range already.

>>95884419
>ork gods don't have idols in 40k
>o-ok they do
>uhm, t-that doesn't count
Just fuck off already and take the L.

>>95884422
If you're too stupid to tell the difference then you can't be helped.

>>95884375
>There's no such thing as marine fatigue
Would the non marine players like eldar/dark eldar and formerly Tyranid players demanding a refresh of their lines instead of new marine releases count as marine fatigued players?

>>95884424
The version with the shield.

>>95884425
Anon the point is that Fantasy Orcs SPECIFICALLY have magical entites called Idols, with a capital 'I'.
40k Orks have 'idols', lower-case i, which are just machines.
You absolute moron.

>>95884424
>>95884430
Is that skull supposed to be a navigator's skull?
Also what makes a model a pity model?

>>95884442
>Also what makes a model a pity model?
Are you retarded?

>>95884430
I am loving these shoulder pads they gave to a few BT marines.

What's tegee's opinion on the Greater Good Goddess? A cool plot point or a lame one?

>>95884424
>>95884430
Only little dislike I have of this model is the helmet. And it's that small ridge there, but it is very easily fixed with a bit of careful shaving with a knife and sanding.
Otherwise it is a very nice model. I like they give you an option for the relic you want to use on the standard.
The standard top is also great and can easily be turned into a great looking Iron Halo if wanted.
Over all a great 9/10 model.

>>95884455
It's not a real God and os being swept under the rug like Ynnead. Ignore it and move on.

>>95884446
>Are you retarded?
Maybe.
To me the Black Templar model feels like a model shoved out the door to coincide with a codex release. To also make armies "locked" into the current edition as there will be rules for that model in its current edition it was released during so that players won't play previous edition because there are no rules for models like the new black templar models.
Guard kind of got the same treatment with Lord Solar Leontus and the heavier heavy weapons like the multibarreled Nebelwerfer model.

>>95884455
It's another minor warp entity in a sea of them, was basically an inevitability but I doubt anything will actually come of it. So I feel about it the same way I do about Ynnead.

>>95884385
>put primaris in pose that isn't stood with one foot elevated on a rock and an arm raised pointing a finger/sword/pistol
>to no ones surprise it looks like complete shit

why do you think they only ever do the one pose?

>>95884442
>Pity, the model is fine, they have a fantastic range already.
FTFY

>>95884455
Given that it was created by non-Tau, it's fine. Just the same shit Chaos has always done. GW has spent way too long focusing on the Big 4 Chaos Gods and forgetting that there are supposed to be thousands of other demi-gods and minor gods in the Warp trying to rise to power and join them. Having a new one be created that represents the Greater Good concept is pretty par for the course.

>>95884440
>n-no you see it counts because i-in this other setting
No one gives a shit. You already showed what kind of a faggot you're.
If you find yourself in a hole, the first step is not to dig deeper.

>>95884455
I think it is alright with good potential, but I doubt GW will see such potential and she'll be mostly forgotten with a few bone-mentions thrown about to remind players that she is there but nothing will come of it.

>>95884440
But anon the fact it works in Fantasy would mean they are gods, as it's the same warp.

>>95884464
Anon what the fuck are you rambling about.

A pity model is just what people call it when a Codex releases with a single new model and nothing else.

When a Codex releases with multiple kits there is no pity model. That's it. It's not complicated. Guard didn't get a pity model, they got a whole expansion/refresh to a bunch of stuff in their range.

>>95884462
Not really. She appeared in the Shadowsun novel, which is very recent.
The afterword of the novel says that she is a minor god compared to the Great Four, but a very powerful one.

>>95884461
the head is so small though. twiddle dee is missing his tweedle dum

>>95884489
>Anon what the fuck are you rambling about.
I was rambling about what I thought that the model was.
>A pity model is just what people call it when a Codex releases with a single new model and nothing else.
Thank you. Is this "pity model" term a commonly used slang outside of here as well?

>>95884500
It's just intuitive sense.

>>95884494
What are you talking about?

Wait a second. Warp Gods are fueled by emotion.
"The Greater Good" isn't an emotion.

>>95884493
Anon, the Shadowsun novel is a residial from before that plot was canned.

>>95884424
>>95884430
I think black templars is one of those armies where you want to run them for their characters. I'm trying to build a list that includes
>helbret
>grimaldus
>emps champs
>new banner guy
>castellan
>marshall
Black templar coded characters
>chaplain in terminator armor
>judicair
>regular chaplain

>>95884524
When she purifies the Death Guard and the T'au get Gue'vesa marines, I will be there to say I told you so.

>>95884399
>I know about those guys. If I recall correctly they're like their own separate thing from the Steel Legion for the Armageddon jungles that somehow exist on Armageddon.
>Didn't those start as converted Catachan models?
Yeah. Armageddon Steel legion is motorised infantry regiment, Ork Hunters are jungle fighters regiments specialised in fighting orks on armageddon jungles.
Both Ork Hunters and Savlar Chem-Dogs alongside DKoK(who themselves were steel legion conversion) and Elysians got their special rules in 3rd ed chapter approved. Ork Hunters used modified Catachan rules with bonus against orks, their own version of WAAAGH special rule and ork weapons like choopa and slugga. They were represented as catachan models with ork weapons.
Savlar had simlary colourfull rules, like no her character could join them because they are scum of the earth, sergant could "purchase" officer wargear, they could not do sweeping advances(pursuing broken enemy and cutting them down) because they were too busy looting dead, chem-inhalers so they do tests on full leadership and can't be forced to retreat because of failed morale and could buy some random archeotech they looted from underhive as equipment.

I don't love all of their models, but lorewise, I think the Votann were a great addition to the setting.

>>95884379
>powered by conventional means
nothing in ork tech is powered only by conventional, the stompas less than anything
>Are Titans to be considered Daemons of the Emperor?
the titans are things completely unrelated to the emperor, there's not even the semblance of religious connection between them
>Ork souls fall into the Warp the same as any other race and are treated just the same.
yes, because the great green is in the warp, you absolute retard


shut the fuck up now, lorelet

>>95884515
The helmet looks derpy all around. Even with the flaw you pointed out, it looks kinda like a fur fag helm? I dunno, but the visors shouldnt look like that, its like one edit away from it giving you a bedroom stare.

>>95884419
>The idols that were actually being referred to were Fantasy's Rogue Idols
No, it was both

>SYMBOLIC
no such thing for orks

>>95884442
Its a pity model because GW decided everyone NEEDS something new with their codex, and when GW has no ideas they just get a single overpriced character model. Like GSC or World Eaters. Meanwhile Space Wolves, Tau etc get an entire range refreshes or groups of units added.

Gray Knights got an upgrade sprue for the dreadknight, lmao.

I'm looking at black templar characters and why the FUCK can't they be put in bladeguard vetern squads?

>>95884595
Because you play 10th instead of a better edition. (There are 9 better editions.)

>>95884595
Because you are supposed to use their fancy unique units.

Slann when?
Exodites when?
Hrud when?
"Dogs of War in space" when?

>>95884595
Buy more Sword Brethren, anon.

>>95884600
3 Sword brothers squads are not enough to fit all of their cool characters and I hate the neophytes in the crusader squads

>>95884614
>"Dogs of War in space" when?
This is one that actually sounds cool. If the Eldar corsair is real best bet is to make a homebrew Eldar detachment where they can take some orks, kroot, humans and dark eldar as auxiliaries. Something as based as a Mercenary 40k army is too based for modern GW.

>>95884598
>There are 9 better editions.
6th and 7th were way worse than 10th.
6th had leafblower guard.
7th had decurion Necrons, riptide wing and wraith knight homos.

>>95884630
Yeah I figure it would be pretty much like Imperial Agents but just with all the mercenary Xenos factions instead.

Zoats, Freebootaz, Sslyth, etc. GW could just go nuts.
>too based for modern GW
Sadly this is probably true, but every once in awhile they surprise us.

>>95884641
All of those things you mentioned were just OP meta lists, you could still enjoy 6th and 7th by just not playing with those kinds of people.

10th is fundamentally broken at the core rules level. It's not fun even when both people bring fair, fluffy lists. It's the worst edition bar none.

>>95884653
>10th is fundamentally broken at the core rules level. It's not fun even when both people bring fair, fluffy lists. It's the worst edition bar none.
waaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Nigga this is the worst general on this website. Why don't you go to one of the oldhammer or grog threads where they actively don't play 10th. Why do you come to the thread specifically not for you to complain about a game you don't play. How fucking pathetic is that?

Made a table to see how much time it would take to paint all of my armies. 730 man-hours. Assuming that I paint for 5 hours a week, that's 3 years of painting before I'm done. Oy vey.

>>95884664
>Nigga this is the worst general on this website
lol, lmao, imagine being so naive to unironically believe this

>>95884664
Please direct me to the 7th-9th edition general

>>95884653
>Just OP meta lists
You didn't play 6th/7th.
The amount of shit in 6th/7th that was utterly broken was ridiculous, 'normal' playstyles had nearly no chance because even the slightest bit of optimization ruined the game. Models with 600-800 points of value were costed at 300, a number of the rules flat out didn't work, one of the phases was inherently broken and didn't gel with the rest of the game, and there were multiple UNIT TYPES that could not be taken if you wanted a balanced game.

>>95884664
This isn't the "10th edition general" you faggot, it's the Warhammer 40k general. If I want to talk about anything to do with the setting, the lore, the miniatures, anything, this is the place. I don't need to talk about your stockholm syndrome newfag piss & shit edition of rules to be on-topic. Kill yourself.

>>95883830
I was going to make a joke but those hand-drawn skitarii are the most charming things I've seen in a long time. Smart idea running lots of Kastelans too to eat up points

>>95884671
NTA but it's definitely the worst general on this board at least

>>95884424
looks okay, I'll see what the wip bt dude does with it

>>95884664
>this is the worst general on this website
hownew.ru

>>95884684
I wonder why he doesn't post here but then I look at the state of this general and instead wonder why the fuck do *I* post here.

>>95884683
nah, that'd be the aislop general

>>95883803
Not at T8 with only a 5+ invuln you don’t.

>>95884006
Kill yourself nigger faggot. Like right now.

>>95884673
>You didn't play 6th/7th.
I played every edition since 2nd. Even went back and tried some Rogue Trader a few years ago. Yeah, 6th and 7th were bad. I hated them, I bitched endlessly about them at the time, but when you made gentleman's agreements to play without the excessive bullshit, it was still salvageable. No matter how bad they were, 10th is worse. It's not even worth playing period. ALL customization stripped out, points as power level, psychic powers just being bland gun profiles, characters joining units completely fucked, tourney-fag catering missions, plus all the other bad parts of 8th and 9th. It's fucking garbage.

>>95884707
So you just come here to whine and hope someone will stroke your ego about being right or something?

>>95884713
What the fuck are you talking about?

>spent my hobby time on /40kg/ instead of painting again
Anybody had this problem? How did you overcome it?

>>95884614
>Slann when?
Never ever
>Exodites when?
Never
>Hrud when?
Never ever ever
>"Dogs of War in space" when?
Who fucking knows if ever.

when the psychic rolls gives my superheavy invisibility so even lascannons hits on 6's then wounds on 3's then go against a 4++ and a 5+++ to deal 1 wound of 6

>>95884673
>The amount of shit in 6th/7th that was utterly broken was ridiculous
And everyone was playing it. Guard was the only army on the top tables at so many events throughout 6th edition.

>>95884717
Yeah I simply hate you all profusely

>>95884470
Its more that artist cant draw perspective or proportions to save his life. The proportions are laughable even by 40k standards/heroic scale.

>>95884664
>waaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Anyone who posts like this is a humongous faggot so I'm taking the other guys side

>>95884721
Which superheavy could get invisibility and FnP 5+?

>>95884707
>Gentlemans agreements to play without excessive BS
So you agreed
No Psychic phase (Half the disciplines were broken, Daemon summoning daemons, rerollable invulns, INVISIBILITY)
No Fliers
No Superheavies
No Monsters at all (So no Riptides, Nidzilla, Daemons)
No Detachments/formations (FREE RHINOS)
No Eldar in general
No Waveserpents
No Allying
Wow anon, it seems like you cut away half the edition and pretended it wasn't as bad as it was!

>>95884743
>Anyone who posts like this is a humongous faggot so I'm taking the other guys side
>other guy
That's (You)

>>95883977
I love the heavy intercessors

>>95884725
>top tables
Spotted the problem, tourneyfag

I'm getting my friend to print out furry pinup decals to slap on my non-space yiff land raider and nobody can stop me

>>95884717
I have this problem. I can only hobby when I am happy.
I’m rarely happy.

>>95884595
Because the current rules are only made to promote the sale of figures GW wants to sell not to make an intersting and balanced force. Not in the codex means you should buy figures insted that they do rules for. Why don't you dense fuckers get this.

>>95884768
>couldn't just give the whole squad heavy bolters as standard weapon
>just like how eradicators couldn't be given all multi-meltas
>had to invent another new weapon just for them
Wish GW would stop throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

>>95884761
A lot easier than that
>no superheavies
>no flyers
>no Strength D
>no free points (covers summoning, broken formation benefits)
Everything else was manageable. Invisibility was annoying but not as broken as people say. You could deny the power, hit them with auto-hitting weapons, etc.

Also the most important rule was just playing with people who wanted to take fluffy lists in the first place, so instead of needing a massive proscribed list of broken shit because of exploitative assholes who would always look for the next OP thing you didn't ban... you just really didn't have that problem at all.

how come there are no khorne aeldari factions or other races? Aren't the gods supposed to be corrupting the living? Why aren't other races involved? Always gay marines.

>>95884786
Only humans are weak willed enough to serve chaos.

>>95884786
All Aspect Warriors are already chaos worshippers, Khaine is just a minor shard of Khorne.

>>95884768
>I love the heavy intercessors
I like the way they look, but I can't find a good enough reason to run them in the game.

>>95884794
oh

>>95884786
Because GW is run by money-grubbing nose tribe people who go "chaos xenos??? But we can make more money by selling people's space marines armies back to them a 4th time with primarisecundus exploderators???"

>>95884743
okay but what if I like Kingdom of Heaven so I'll let you call me a faggot, what then? are we going to kiss or something?

>>95884799
I'm running 10 of them + the Ironfather since he gives them a 5+++.
Very funny

>>95884785
Needing to optimize my list in 10th because I can't simple remove a hand flamer or a random model from a unit is a pain in the ass.

>>95884754
NTA but Wraightknight in 7th ed.
Tho 4++ version sucked because it was either melee or s6 3 small blasts plasma instead of glorious double D wraithcannons.

>>95884843
>Wraithknight witth DDs
Bad thoughts

>torn between slaaneshi soup and drukhari
I don't know if I have the confidence to put titty monsters on the tables, bros.
The fiends look so cool though, and I have a fun 2,000 point shadow legion list in mind for them.
I have a 15 year old niece I'm trying to get into wargames, I can't let her catch me painting titty monsters.

>>95884861
>slaaneshi soup
Like what?

>>95884843
It lost the Double D wraithcannons but the fucker was so mobile and had Strength D melee that a lot of lists ran one of the Melee guys to just run up and blow stuff up in melee

>>95884861
> I don't know if I have the confidence to put titty monsters on the tables
skill issue
>I have a 15 year old niece I'm trying to get into wargames
oh nvm lol, play tyranids then. girls like em

>>95884856
Contrary to what you might think it was Wraightknight with DDs that did the raping

>>95884113
Why does he not have a scabbard for his hand-and-a-half sword

I literally and unironically don't know why people are upset about the new black templar codex art.

>>95884878
2,000 point shadow legion with 20 chaos terminators (love 'em), CSM + lord, Belakor, 12 fiends (love 'em too), 10 daemonettes and an enrapturess.
If I went drukhari it would be haemonculi coven.

>>95884332
He's a minor one

So the GK codex is still at least a month away, right?

>>95884938
I think the codex just got postponed for black Templars

>>95884886
>Young Knight House noble on his first deployment gets pinned down by a tall, big-chested Wraithknight rocking DDs and piloted by a pair of experienced twin sisters
Oh me oh my

>>95884938
2 more weeks anon, just 2 more weeks. Trust me.

>>95884861
One of those options will not be an Army in 11th Edition. I'll let you guess which one

>>95884398
Plague Belcher and Spewer seem close enough to others? Anyone know? No one would complain?

>>95884399
something like Regio Militiae extemporum could work? not too clumsy and means Regiment militia extemporary

>>95884774
are you me? except i only want to paint when im winning which is never...

i can't build my drukhari because ALL THE WEAPONS LOOK THE SAME

>>95884950
>daemons or drukhari
Honestly anon, that's a toss up.

>>95883793 (OP)
I don't know why this never occurred to me before but, power armor aside, why is it that exo-skeletons were never a thing? You'd think there would be a low cost way of having strength enhancing options for non-space marines especially since they have power supplies that can last days or years on a single go.

>>95884951
wysiwyg is dead thanks to waacfaggots

>>95884351
Ironically enough Vashtorr isn't a minor god. He admits as much by saying he wants to ascend to godhood. What Vash currently is more or less a Greater Daemon of chaos undivided/his own being.
He's same Belakor basically.

>>95884987
and that's a good thing

>>95884976
Why not both?

>>95884987
Explain what this means for someone who doesn't know the abbreviations?

>>95885008
what you see is what you get is dead thanks to win at all cost fags

>>95885008
Lurk moar faget.

>>95884385
I could swear I've seen this EXACT pose in past art. Like tracing/re-editing-tier exact.

>>95883828
Nihilus Auxilia?

>>95885008
modelled wargear does not matter because of tournament players writing/balancing (biasedly i might add) the game

>>95885018
its reused

>>95885012
Ah thank you. So this means, people no longer care about what is visually represented anymore? Is this actually true or sort of a /40kg/ meme?

I still care about WYSIWYG because I'm autistic.

>>95885036
it depends on the player but most people don't care

>>95885036
nobody is going to care if you say your Intercessor Sergeant has a powerfist but if you outwardly have a bunch of mixed weapons in Plague Marines it's difficult to figure out who has what

I love that i have not one but two painting handles, one big one small, and i never use either because i always paint in subassemblies so I just keep my model bits on pill bottles.

Chainswords look retarded so I will be equipping tzaangor with their original weapons and shields. YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THEM as using chainswords solely because they are the better option. I will ignore the autopistols because its a nothing burger.

>>95885036
Print your army list and hand a copy to your opponent so he sees what wargear is on every unit, and make it very clear while setting up which unit is which. 95% of people will be totally fine with this, as most people understand that the rules change and you can't rip the arms off every model every time there's a rules adjustment. It's just part of the hobby.

The 5% of people who still play by strict wysiwyg usually won't hold their opponents to the same standard for the above reason.

>>95884664
>Nigga this is the worst general on this website
Did you just forget /trash/ exists or what

>>95885077
>YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THEM as using chainswords
Looks like regular shields and swords to me. Sorry bro.

>>95885077
you own no models
>>95885080
/trash/ is unironically more bearable than boards like /v/ or /g/

>>95885078
>you can't rip the arms off every model every time there's a rules adjustment
Watch me

>>95885092

>>95885092
>favorite space marine chapter
>those mutants?
>none
I get she's referring to the salamanders as mutants but why does she say "none"?
Am I being ESL or does that read weird?

>>95885108
she's calling all marines mutants and saying she likes none of them, because a lot of sororitas orders view them as abhumans

>>95885110
Oh, thanks bro.

>>95885108
All Marines are mutants as far as the Ecclesiarchy is concerned.

>>95884614
>Slann when?
Kickstarter tomorrow
>Exodites when?
11th edition for the kill team, 12th for the full wave
>Hrud when?
cameo in the next warhammer quest
>"Dogs of War in space" when?
never ever

>>95885110
Which is really dumb lore honestly.
It's like if christians hated the angels.

>>95885113
That reminds me of a story about a world that got turbo fucked because an Inquisitor told some marines about some traitor nobles.
The situation could be solved by killing some noble or at worst nuking a single city. Instead Marine show up and fuck up a planet for generation.

>>95884385
I don't get it, dont BT have their own codex? tf is a supplement to their own codex

>>95885125
Well, half of them did rebel against God...

>>95885142
It's a supplemental codex for normal marines because they have access to all vanilla marine units

>>95885150
>I'm a real codex
>I'm a real codex
>I'm a real codex
>I'm a real codex

>>95885142
>dont BT have their own codex?
no
newfag

>>95883845

>>95885018
blood angels cover?

>>95885142
To build a black Black Templars army youstart with the Space Marine Codex. Then you apply the Black Templar rules on top of that. You can't combine any of the Space Marine chapter rules, they are mutually exclusive.

You can then pick
>vanilla space marines (you get inmproved oath of moment)
>deathwatch
>blood angels
>space wolves
>black templars
>raven guard
>iron fist
>iron hands
>ultramarines
>dark angels
>white scars

If you do, you can't include any units in your army from any of the others. If you are army is one of the ones with special rules like Space Wolves, Black Templars etc you can then select one of the detachments included in their Index/Codex.

The rumored Space Marine Codex 2 supplement thats supposed to release this fall will include new detachments that let you play as the first founding chapters that don't have any special rules of their own.

So a Black Templars player would select Adeptus Astartes as their Faction Keyword in army creation, then choose a Black Templars detachment (currently there are two: Righteous Crusaders or Wrathful Procession). They would have access, like any Space Marine army, to take Black Templars units, but doing so would lock them out of any other special space marine units. The BT detachments will provide the rules and buffs that make the BT units actually useful.

>>95884984
They're not low cost, but most importantly they're not low maintenance

>>95885147
And christians still only hate the ones who rebelled against god and became demons.

Reaper’s Wager detachment for Drukhari seems pretty fun.
Does anyone have experience with Harlequins and non-skysplinter DE in casual play?

>>95885218
It's mirrored and stripped down of the gilding, but it looks like that's it.

>>95885018
>>95885242
thats not it chief

>>95885136
This one?

>>95884970
Maybe I am but at least we can suffer together.

>headache wiped out my evening of planned painting
Fuck sake

>>95885304
>did my morning shift
>get home
>get call
>some co worker is “sick” and I need to cover his shift
I mean I like extra money but I better see a doctors written diagnosis of something because this is ridiculous I want to paint some minis.

>>95885150
>>95885221
Thanks it's clearer now

>>95885270
Yep that one.
It was basically the higherups that where planning something rest of PDF and population had no idea. Didn't even get the chance to fight for the Emperor against the traitors before the marines started attacking the planet.

I like cultists but jackals make me want to sell my world eaters off.

>>95885304
Stay hydrated
Get your glasses/lack of glasses checked

>>95884984
>not low cost
>don't increase strenght in meaningfull way
exo skeletons are pointless and don't increase strenght in way noticable from 40k game perspective. Sob who wear power armour are still S3 and marines are S4 no matter if they are in power armour or naked.
Giving guardsmen exoskeletons would be just waste of money, because it would be same cannon fodder but now with expensive shit in addition to flak armor.

Anybody here tried sanding sponges?
I was able to buy some current cadians from the used section of my lgs. I want to see what they look like when their knee pads get properly shaven off just for fun and the meme we have here about the wretched knee pads.

>>95885354
You can use a hobby knife, thats what I used to make FOB operators more like old cadians.

>>95885366
I’ll try one leg with a knife and the other with sanding sponges then.

>>95884984
They exist, just not in the Imperium.

>>95885409
Baby carrier models are never going to look proper. They will always be bad no matter how hard gw tries.

consider:

I'm sorry, I need a little bit of spoonfeeding. What are you looking up for Dark Lances on Etsy

>>95884307
Dark eldar more like fart smelldar lmaooo

>>95885426
the only one trying hard is you, the votann power loaders look great

>>95885441
I don’t see it from that picture. Maybe you stumbled on a proper paint job photo of them?

>>95885432
Just go print some

>>95884984
>>95885409
Yo I heard you like exoskeletons.
So I put an exoskeleton inside yo exoskeleton.

>>95883895
>Taras
Is that a Bloodsworn Saga reference?

>>95885429
>be Matt Ward
>think ultramarines are the coolest
>no one else thinks that
>write space marine codex in 2008
>wank ultramarines to death
>people hate it
>was I wrong?.exe
>no it's 40k players who are wrong
>get angry
>buy a gun
>develop time machine
>travel back through time to 1993
>at gunpoint force Rick Priestly and Jervis Johnson to rewrite codex space marines 2nd edition
>it's codex ultramarines now
>entire codex is focused on how ultramarines are bestest of the best and ultrawanking them
>make sure codex in ultrawanked state is released
>go back to your own timeline content with your machination sure that this time people will love your work and ultramarines who are best of them all
>people just hate you all the same
Nice try Matt.

>>95885241
They're a very skill intensive army to pilot and if you are doing it right it feels like you are playing a very non-interactive game that makes some opponents not have fun. But if you mis-step your whole house of cards collapses super quick because your are made of paper so it can be a very engaging and rewarding playstyle. Reapers Wager has excellent strats so almost every unit is viable in that detachment in big blocks to take advantage of the Lethal/Sustained strat with pain token rerolls.

>>95885429
DEY ARE DA COOLEST AND DA GREATEST GITS IN ALL DA GALAXY ZOGGORS

>>95885473
my 3dprinter died in a power surge and I'm waiting for the replacement

>>95885499
Rest In Peace good printer.

>>95885429
ultramarines are better than all other marines, it's even in the name

Asked at wip and figured I’d ask here.
Anybody ever trimmed the hairs of a brush down to the ferrule and used it for chipping effects? I vaguely recall a brush maintenance video showing such a thing.

>>95883838
Those aren't legal in the game anymore. Guard has to be either Cadian, Krieg or Catachan. I would unironically refuse to play with you until you got legal models.

>>95885607
(you)

>>95885607

>>95885614
wtf even is that pic?

>>95885701
i have a feeling its just AI nonsense that isnt anything but stretches ur brain trying to find patterns and make sense of it. or else its artfully edited to be so.

Requesting advice from more experienced players in what units I should add to upgrade my Dark Angels 500 point learn-the-basic-rules force into a 1k list. Right now I have
>Chaplain (Ancient Weapons)
>5 Intercessors
>5 Deathwing Knights
>3 Outriders
I figured Inner Circle Companions and a Redemptor would be good includes, any other ideas?

>>95885766
I mean I think the inner circle companions are just cool as fuck, but so are the deathwing knights. I think you have to decide to go deathwing or ravenwing at 1k.

>>95885529
I've done it when a brush gets really really fucked up, but generally it works better when it's a brush with very stiff bristles. Had good luck chopping down dollar store kids brushes like pic related in the past, but they don't hold up for very long. The nice thing is the hairs are so coarse that when they shed them they're easier to see. If you want some cheap stippling brushes out of the pack look up stamping/stenciling brushes. They're identical to the artis opus style drybrushes for 1/5 the price

>>95885766
Have you considered 2000pts of dreadnoughts

>>95885607

I was walking by a GW store yesterday, when I saw this cool diorama.

>>95885701
>>95885755
It is an old image that simulate a stroke. Basically an image that looks like something and nothing at the same time.

>>95885822
Cute thighs

>>95885822
at least you're not a fatass, good job

What do you guys think about the more metagamey charge stuff? I'm talking things like using a closer charge to place your models in a way they can then pile in and fight another unit and stuff like that.
I play mostly with friends and we've been learning as we go, I found some interesting stuff and I think this is cool and allows you to be creative with positioning but I also care more about my friends having fun than doing these kind of movements. So for those of you who play this game a lot casually are these things stuff you see in your casual games or is it only tournament stuff?

>>95885858
I think it's fine. It adds some depth at high level play but is basically a non issue for more casual players. And its not that complicated when you see it in action and have one player explain it to another.

>>95883898
Seems silly to include Terminators as if they’re a separate physiognomy. It’s just a firstborn or primaris in a beefier suit.

What would it take to make Eldar cool to your average Joe Games Workshop punter again?

>>95883898
firstborn are not 8'10 lol. They are like 8 foot. The are basically like a foot taller not 2 feet taller.

>>95885839
>>95885852
Uh, thanks.
Always been on the thin side, and I walk a lot.

>>95885614

>>95885903
what the fuck is going on here

>>95885881
Are these Craftworlders or Commorites? Their armor seems half way between each and the guns look more Asuryani

>>95885784
Thanks anon! The video I was thinking about is midwinter mini’s brush care video.
Generally what colors should one use when giving something weathering or chipping colors?

I’ve asked before and as far as I know a dark brown and metallic are good choices but I’m not too sure.

>>95885886
>and I walk a lot
I’m a fatty and I did a lot of cart pushing after college I’m afraid to know where my muscle is concentrated if all the fat is extracted off me.
Might still mog warhammer 40k and mtg lgs fatties like me but I’d still look like a mutant.

Meeting new people in the hobby is like a mental illness russian roulette.

>>95885967
well good thing I don't leave my house for anything other than work

>>95885927
>filename

>>95885927
Its corsairs and their mon'keigh cocksleeve, also
>filename

>>95883895
I genuinely like those stupid fucking shoulders. Can’t wait to make my chapter master out of him.

>>95885967
That’s why you hope the lgs has a discord channel and plan games ahead of time and vet your players.
And learn to read profile pictures that tell if a person’s personality and beliefs and values.
Avoid anime, furry, flag, cartoon selfies, picrew and Greco Roman bust profile pictures if you want to have a higher chance of hanging out with adjusted people.

>>95885967
Are they going to be just a nerd? some terminally online lefty?
The guy that makes jokes about the dictatorship that might be funny but are should not be a conversation starter?
Guy playing pretend and gets violent when you do not play along with his delusion?
The fat fuck with his own gravity well and for some reason is loud as hell?
The simple cheater?
I just want to play with my toy soldiers and maybe make some sounds when moving my troops around.

>>95886002
The vet players are dying anon.
I now have to venture and try to find new people and some folks where born after return of the king was in cinemas.

>>95886036
I didn’t mean vet as in veteran players. I saw the slang and think it means inspect your future player’s social skills and whether they are worth hanging around at the lgs. Then revealed that I am terminally online through pattern recognition of how profile pictures on discord can often times but not always reveal a lot about a person’s character.

>>95886071
That image triggers my fatherless behavior. And now it double triggers me because it has something to do with my 40k hobby. And now it triple triggers me because people the image represents are happy and I’m not.

>>95886049
When I was younger I could tell some personality traits from the way they typed in the old messenger and what meme bullshit they put on their quotes.
So your comment about the profile images is not that odd. Pattern recognition is not necessarily a terminally online conduct.
That said discords are just off putting for my old ass, I grew with the old chat rooms so nothing was really "recorded". It just bizarre to see some twat digs years of chats for a comment of mine when I said a thing then just to get some kind of gotcha moment in toy soldier game.

>>95886088
Could be worst anon. At least you have never experience it, I had it and it was taken away.

>>95884627
>and I hate the neophytes in the crusader squads
Then why play BT, that's their big gimmick

>>95883849
Blue Ork Chad, reporting for duty!

so we've got the big waaagh and the little waaagh but what about the micro waaaagh?

if you're killing orks without a proper filter mask on, are you also fighting a waaagh against their spores in your lungs?

>>95884901
People consume way too much rage bait every day sourced from engagement farms, so everything has to be the new worst thing ever, nothing can be just fine or mediocre. If you don't like something, it has to be Satan incarnate, until something else takes its place 5 hours later.

Zoomers are cooked, man.

>>95886093
Autism is rampant.
I met some friends in Roblox during my high school years and later added them to discord. A good number came out as queer and said number kept on validating bad stereotypes. I would point this out with the best of intentions but it was like they were addicted to getting mad and twisting whatever I said into a reason to have a fight when all I wanted was to help them.
It kept repeating as nauseum and eventually I just realized that it was all just emotional abuse. I saw what they became because one guy would block and do “snide remarks” behind the block button and nobody said a word but when I wanted to help and advise someone they acted like I was always starting shit.

Basically I had to walk away still kind of hurts because I spent a long time with these people even through my worst years.

Moral of the story. Don’t hang out with depressed queers. They’ll twist anything you say into a reason to start a fight and lie to themselves that you’re the aggressor.
I know this because the other two friend groups I hung out in were chill it was the one with queers that was where all the problems came from.

Warhammer 40,000 nerds at the lgs ain’t got shit on the autism I dealt with.

>>95886137
I’m probably gonna get cancelled if I amount to any infamy online that my somewhat lewd sororitas and tau girl art gets me because I did lose my shit once when a nigga posted animal abuse and said racial and homophobic slurs.

>>95880780
https://mega.nz/folder/EqRzATpY#veXSXgaGG23c462K4ppDJg

Anon from the last thread, if you're still here, is this what you're looking for? I think someone was asking about it in the 4th edition battle bible thread too.

>>95886107
yes, but it ain't deadly, it's just going to make you unreasonably angry and aggressive so you get into fights with orks so orks spread more.

>>95886088
This post triggered repeating intergers

What would you guys do, three devastator squads with apothecaries, or two ten man devastator squads? I want to try the latter because I feel like it'll be more durable as a backfield lascannon squad for picking up vehicles in the Fists detachment

>>95886103
I’m so sorry man.
At least you aren’t me that got reminded of something I memory holed a while ago and then dumped the memory in a long post itt.

>>95885858
These hijinks are precisely what make charging and the fight phase fun, imo you should teach them to other players because looking for ways to optimize your charges is legit the most fun part about melee armies.

>>95885858
It's the only thing that makes melee interesting honestly. Melee becomes a bit more of a thinking phase than move and shooting due to it.

anything other than strict wysiwyg is wrong
>inb4 my termagants have penis blasters but all the tournament players are using cum cannons so I have NO CHOICE but to break wysiwyg

>>95886364
Please... I have too much plastic already

>>95886364
(You)

>>95883849
If you insist.

>>95886137
I grew up using skype, right at the tail end of AIM in the late 2000s. Me and my friends all switched to discord as soon as it came out. We have unironically an archival record of all the memes and times we shared over the last 10 years. A couple of times Ive sped through it. Tens of thousands of messages, images and jokes. Dead links, fond memories, people who are dead now. It makes me nostalgic and teary eyed a bit. Times that have come, and gone. And will never come again. That's life, it it's kind of nice that it's there. But that's a private chat.

I can't imagine someone going through your posts in a public discord to be like AHA YOU PAINT BLACK TEMPLARS THAT MEANS-

Or whatever scenario you experienced.

>>95886364
I do strict WYSIWYG just because whatever weapon I chose is because I thought it was the coolest, damned be the rules.
If I really can't decide or think both are cool, then I'll use a magnet.

>>95886402
Despite everything I don’t hate them. I don’t wish them any harm and since I’ve finally had a thought about them after a long time I just wish them the best.
Though I think one guy now does but he’s a porn addict and has been dealing with depression for I think a decade now so his head isn’t screwed on right. I hope gets help.

I hope I don’t encounter this kind of level of drama or autism at the lgs that I’m painting my imperial guard army for too but I’ve seen lot of horror stories about autism and spergs at the lgs.

>>95886431
>I hope I don’t encounter this kind of level of drama or autism at the lgs that I’m painting my imperial guard army for too but I’ve seen lot of horror stories about autism and spergs at the lgs.
Finding a FLGS where the regular group are a bunch of working/married men is a real golden goose opportunity.

I know it's funny saying it on 4chan of all places, but not having to deal with histrionic terminally online NEETs or trust fund babies is such a luxury and gave me a second wind for the hobby.

Urien Rakarth didn't know what happened in Low Commorragh.
Just 27 more to go.

>>95886431
NGL your "help" could just be annoying criticism like "being a fag wont make you happy" which isn't useful to anyone. As a fag myself, I recently kicked a long term friend from my close friend group because his views differed to greatly from my own. In the end, the culture war comes for us all. I'm not saying that's what you did, and there is absolutely an annoying and insufferable type of depressed permanently online queer, but 'if' you were pushing your politics that's not help that's just being annoying. But as someone in my 30s now, I think the real answer is just that a lot of the people who are online are there for a reason. Including here. We are broken, retarded people. And if you change, mature or grow a tiny bit, you might find behavior that you used to stomach intolerable. Bad treatment that you used to accept you realize has no place in your life. But at the end of the day, you should put a lot of thought into severing those relationships because community is an extremely important part of any human's life.

I guess all that faggy rambling was basically to say sometimes it's right to sever those relationships if they become bad or toxic... but you should be cautious about losing relationships too. Because life means nothing if it's spent truly alone and as you get older true friends are harder and harder to find.

>>95886468
I really hope that is what the lgs is like. So far the interactions have been friendly. I relayed the marine juice recipe I learned of from here to a guy and a day later he tells me it works like magic so I gotta make some myself, so maybe there is a good chance that things will be amazing for me.

As for everything I said above you’re hearing it from my side so there is lots of bias. Maybe we just grew incompatible and that happens with people.

>>95886431
>>95886481
Holy shit fuck off to /r9k/, nobody here wants to read your pathetic therapy session

>>95886491
Guys that still require others to walk on eggshells around them into their mid-20s/30s are just man children, it's probably not you.

>>95886481
I get ya man. Maybe looking back my help became nagging and repetitive ad nauseum.
I still don’t think it gave them an excuse to let one guy be deliberately and maliciously insulting (the depressed porn addict guy) while I would always find myself unintentionally insulting and questioning myself if I was in the wrong despite having known these people for years and them knowing me for years. Like I said i am biased in favor of myself so there is a chance you might be right.

>>95886503
Never heard of r9k but if my shit fits there I don’t wanna go there. But I’m sorry a mention of discord just caused me to have a flood of memories going into my head and I had to talk. Sorry.

>>95886503
Oh hey look, it's a histrionic NEET

>>95886481
cigarette in her mouth ruins it

>Finish building six flamestorm aggressors
>Don't even want to use them now
I fucking hate myself.

>>95886571
Just start painting them and try to enjoy that instead

>>95886571
should have built some devastators instead

>>95886571
Do the hobby for the models and the lore of /yourdudes/, rules change on a dime nowadays but you'll remember your kitted out, named sergeants longer than you'll remember this edition.

>>95886503
I’m the rambler about discord regrets and my concern about lgs autism and drama. Just did a browsing of r9k I can’t see myself posting there if I know what’s good for me. That’s all I can really say at the moment I don’t wanna fall down that rabbit hole to being a regular there.

>>95886528
I wouldnt worry about it. coomers live for instant dopamine release, especially hopeless depressed dead ender ones. being a shitheel to you is just something to do.

>>95886468
Finding a LGS with an older more normie crowd is a blessing. Unwashed MTG netdeckers with exposed ass cracks is infinitely inferior to a bunch of middle aged dads just looking for a good time. The fact that they can maintain families and jobs means they have the basic social skills to be good gamers, even if they are nerdy or autistic.

>>95886503
fuck off loser

>>95886505
This is very true. I don’t think there is a way to reasonably defend needing babying past your teens.
It especially doesn’t make sense for censorship for the sake of potential “triggers” in a setting all about war.
>>95886720
You’re right and the guy who mentioned r9k is right too. I wasn’t expecting to have memories flow back into me from talk about autism and the mention of discord. Maybe it was a pseudo deja vu?

I do hope to make more new friends at the flgs. I’m just worried about bringing a list that is too waac or too much of a pushover list and in both cases wasting the opponent’s time and mine.

>>95884424
>That helmet
Is GW just abandoning the idea that there are only like 10 types of helmets because of STCs and technological stagnation?

>>95886776
If that was ever said once, it was always contradicted by other canon. There have been a wide variety of helmets in the art for decades

>>95886776
Never was a thing

>>95886776
Marines have had stupidly variable helmets forever, since Rogue Trader
The suit of armor beneath it is stricter and will generally follow one of the established armor Mks but even then, artificer armor and scavenged armor don't necessarily

>>95886767
Now that I think about it perhaps being worried about making a pushover army list is the best remedy to preventing bringing one. Is that right?

Decalslopper was right

>>95886538
Cigarettes are popular with the zoomers. Truly the most gullible generation

>>95886864
About what?

>>95886571
Put cool hot rod flames on their fists or you're a coward

>>95885941
Dark brown for light colours, metallics or light greys for dark colours work best

>>95886935
You know what

>>95887056
Thanks! I appreciate it.
>>95887136
I’m not him but what is it?

>>95886481
Oh my god fuck off gay boy, this shit is so off-topic. This is WHY people hate you, you can never shut up about being gay or queer, when we just want to talk about games or movies or whatever else is the appropriate thing in the given venue. Who fucking ASKED?

>>95886808
>The suit of armor beneath it is stricter and will generally follow one of the established armor Mks
Not really, even then armour marks aren't like one single homogenous build that's mass-cloned, it's like a broad grouping of very similar armours but every single piece of power armour is hand-crafted bespoke and can vary slightly based on the quirks and personal touches of the particular techmarine or chapter/legion.

Is posting still borked?

First weekend of the new meta. How's everyone feel about the new tournament season and the current state of game balance?

>>95885429
I mean it's true Ultramarines really don't get enough recognition for the Battle for Macragge. Lorelets don't realize the narrator was pretty explicit in saying that if that battle ended differently and the Tyranids won, they were going to unstoppably steamroll the entire galaxy next because of the way they snowball exponentially and the strategic position they were in there in Ultramar. That battle was legitimately the most all-or-nothing fight that ever happened in 40k other than the Emperor dueling Horus and Ultras held it down by the skin of their teeth.

>>95887247
Battle for Macragge was peak soul, but also Battlefleet Bakka played an enormous role in stopping them

>>95887245
>Tau went from IA tier to 49%

>>95887206
nta but anon that fag replied to brought up homos first. speedreeder.

>>95887245
Shout out to that one mad lad who shows up every week to own with the Chaos Cult detachment and hold up CSM beyond the sandbagging of every other detachment besides Renegade Raiders.

>>95887254
True, the Imperial Navy are even more unsung heroes of the setting.

>>95884385
>TFW Circumcized

>>95887245
>Firestorm still in the low 30s

Rip my spicy lads.

>>95887245
>imperial guard recon element
>100%
i fucking kneel

>>95884984
Stuff like this exists in rare and limited quantities around the Imperium but it's never going to be cost-effective enough to see use across the whole galaxy as a standardized piece of equipment coming from the Departmento Munitorum. Lasguns and flak uniforms are one size fits all and easily produced and replaced, personal form-fitting exoskeletons aren't. You do see stuff like this appear in like, special forces, Inquisitorial units etc. but the vast bulk of the Guard wouldn't see it. Typically if an elite force has the money to pay for something like this, they can just spend a bit more for full power armour instead, like Sisters. The power reactor is probably the most expensive part of the device.

Make this the next thread image

>>95887365
Kek. Such a bad codex cover art, although the problem isn't the neophyte with the shitty haircut (they have ALWAYS had those) it's the terrible armoured dude in the center.

>>95884984
They do, they're just bulky and not particularly practical. Orlocks in Necromunda can take them.

so daemons are being split up?

>>95884385
Why is he holding a shovel?

>>95887406
Yeah, most likely rolled into their respective cult legions. Dunno where that leaves Be'lakor, but my guess is he'll be part of CSM or Chaos Knights

>>95887416
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crozius_Arcanum

>>95887448
fuck my unholy life

>>95887406
no. But next edition they will probably have their ally rules removed.

>>95887448
>actually letting cult legion take daemons without a detachment
That would be the day.

>>95887416
Lol I thought the same thing at first. Looks nothing like a proper Crozius.

>>95887259
No one cares, keep that shit to yourself.

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>>95887664
>>95887664
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