Thread 95885934

>High elves, wood elves, dark elves, snow elves, sea elves, sun elves, moon elves, etc, etc
>All dwarves are just dwarves
Why?

>>95885934 (OP)
Fantasy has Chaos Dwarfs. Age of sigmar has gay steampunk dwarfs

>>95885934 (OP)
We had this thread a million times and it's just a stupid no-games shitpost.
Here is a list of stupid dwarven subraces that exist in games:
Arctic Dwarf
Aquatic Dwarf
Badlands Dwarf
Azer
Azerblood
Chultan Dwarf
Deep Dwarf
Derro
Desert Dwarf
Dream Dwarf
Duergar
Dwelves (Half-dwarf/Half-Elf)
Eisk Jaat
Earth Dwarf
Forgeborn
Frost Dwarf
Galeb Duhr
Glacier Dwarf
Gold Dwarf
Grey Dwarf
Gully dwarf
Hill Dwarf
Innugaakalikurit (Faerunian Arctic Dwarf)
Jungle Dwarf
Kogolor Dwarf
Mountain Dwarf
Seacliff Dwarf
Shield Dwarf
Sonsannan
Urdunnir
Wild Dwarf

>>95885934 (OP)
Age of Sigmar has Kharadon Overlords. TOW has gay chaos dwarfs.

No need to change perfection.

>>95885942
>fantasy has chaos dwarfs
>but we have to pretend that the dark elves arent chaos elves
make it make sense

>>95885998
>>95885951

>>95885934 (OP)
It's all elf cope for having a Keebler variant.

>>95886003
Chaos dwarfs worship a Chaos god.
Dark elves worship the same elven gods as High elves, with the worship of Chaos gods being outlawed under the penalty of death. There is a small, insidious element of chaos worshipers that exists inside their society, just like it exists in the Empire. Having evil factions that aren't just various forms of Chaos makes the setting more interesting, hence why Chaos mages don't make use of necromancy even when it would make sense for them to do so.

>>95885934 (OP)
Tolkien never bothered to develop any of the sub-dwarves in Middle-earth.
Every Dwarf that exists in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings is a Durin Dwarf, even though at least 6 other ethnicities of Dwarfs exist in Middle-earth
he just coulden'r be bothered developing them like he did Elves

>>95885934 (OP)
Can't improve on perfection.

>>95886050
dark elves are fundamentally indistinguishable from chaos worshippers
they dress, talk, and act like one big slaanesh cult
the only reason they don’t have the mutations and daemons running around is because the writers arbitrarily decided they aren’t a slaanesh cult

>>95885934 (OP)
AoS has like 6 dwarf types, depending on how you count StD dwarves

>>95886191
Maybe worshiping Elven gods instead of chaos gods have something to do with it.
Did you know that High Elves, Wood Elves and Dark Elves worship same gods, just have diferent hierarchy.

>>95886191
The same could be said of the Empire.

>>95886173
>>95885951

>people arguing over GW lore inconsistencies
Kek.

>>95885934 (OP)
>Elves
Competitively racist
>Dwarves
Casually racist

Don't you forget.

>>95886050
If you can do necromancy why do you need a chaos god? You've already got immortality and infinite slaves at your fingertips, why fuck around with anything else?

>>95885951
>Azer
>Azerblood
???

>>95885934 (OP)
"Dark nigga, light nigga, rich nigga, poor nigga,... still nigga." - Jay-Z, I think

>>95885934 (OP)
summoner wars isn't an rpg but has some new varieties in both it's editions of both kinds that i like

>>95885934 (OP)
Dwarves are elves.

>>95885998
This. The only type of elf? Fag Elf.

>>95886050
>Dark elves worship the same elven gods as High elves, with the worship of Chaos gods being outlawed under the penalty of death
Because Khaine, the elven god of murder, is definitely different from Khorne, the Chaos god of murder, right? Totally not the same dude.

>>95885934 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>95885942
Age of sigmar also had wood dwarves. Idk man.

High Dwarves
Dark Dwarves
Wood Dwarves

doesn't have the same ring to it

Deep Dwarves, Dwarves that choose to live deep underground, mining.
Mountain Dwarves, live in the mountains like Swiss
Forest Dwarves, midget lumberjacks and woodsmen, like Canadians

>>95886003
Khaine is just Khorne, denial of it is the most ironic autism from the WFB community

>>95885934 (OP)
everyone loves and wants more elves
nobody cares about dwarves

You already have dwarfy versions of High Elves and Dark Elves, but your potential dwarf variants to match Eladrin and Wood Elves are already taken up by Gnomes and Halflings.

>>95888216
Dwarves have their wood elves, they are just Dwarven rangers. Its more like a class than a subrace.

>>95885934 (OP)
>snow elves
The fuck is this stupid shit
>sea elves
So, mermaids but less of a pain to play out of water
>sun elves, moon elves
Those are just gayer high elves

>All dwarves are just dwarves
All dwarves are literally just the same character.

>>95885934 (OP)
Elves separate themselves by which aspect of nature they connect with
Dwarfs unite under their hatred of elves

>>95888330
What setting?

>>95885934 (OP)
you suspiciously forgot about netflix ones
show hand

>>95885934 (OP)
Dwarves often do have subraces, they just don't get as much focus as elves. Like DnD has hill dwarves, mountain dwarves, and duergar (dwarf equivalent to drow), plus a bunch of more obscure dwarves from random supplements.

>>95888077
I like the pink one.

No-games thread.

>>95888574
Pirotess makes for a good night elf

>>95885998
What's that got to do with dwerfs?

lot of obese manlets itt

>>95887840
All the gods of the setting are either fake or fractions of the Chaos gods. But there's still a pretty key difference in worshiping your own pantheon instead of worshiping one the big 4, mainly that you aren't directly serving them, only indirectly.

>>95890134
>chaos gods are fake and/or tumorous splinters of the real gods
FTFY

>>95885934 (OP)
What are Wood Humans like?

>>95891516
>Bathing is inimical to life
Dwarf """culture""" in a nutshell

>>95886003
Kaine is obviously khorne or at least the more elven aspects of him and at one point that was explicit

Which if true makes the theology of the setting much more interesting, with even virtuous nations like the high elves worshipping chaos in limited matters instead of making it an all or nothing bad guy team thing as it got flanderized into due to 40k chaos (amusingly) corrupting fantasy

I came to love Duergar, they are pretty distinct
Duergar are smaller than dwarves, but have Enlarge Person innate (couple times per day) to make themselves bigger.
This makes the ecosystem different, duergar caves are uncomfortable, if not unlivable for normal dwarves because they are too small, while dwarven caves and mines are too "exposed" for Duergar and don't allow for effective Enlarge Person: But big dwarven halls or natural caves can have Duergar raids.
I like this distinct ecosystem. All elves can live with all elves and that's kinda meh, it's just a personal preference rather than an animalistic, physical thing.
I do like driders tho and that's some elves I'll allow. But they have to be naturalistic/woodlovers and live outside like actual spiders, if it's just an underground monster with an elf coat, that's also lame.

>All dwarves are just dwarves
Dwarf, gnome, hobbit, halfling, kobold, redcap, munchkin, Wolverine, goblin, nisse, tomte, brownie, oompa-loompa, leprechaun, pygmy, svartálfar, Tom Cruise, etc.

>genre allows you to create literally anything you want
>creates a thread bitching about what other people create
Why?

>>95891901
it's a social hobby where you have to constantly navigate other people's expectations, which are formed by the dogshit slop which gets put out and consumed
also, thing I like good thing you like bad neener neener neener

>>95887375
Convicted nigga

>>95885934 (OP)
>High Gnomes, Wood Gnomes, Dark Gnomes, Snow Gnomes, Sea Gnomes, Sun Gnomes, Moon Gnomes, etc.
Could it work?

>>95888603
That's every thread.

>>95891833
>Which if true makes the theology of the setting much more interesting
Chaoscucks are so brainrotted, I swear

>>95888603
>I don't remember any elves in my games..yup, must be a conversation about.. irl elves...goddamn real elves

>>95891901
People play systems that actually exist, in settings or based on settings that have been published by professionals. Even homebrewing can mean that you use existing templates based on publishes systems.
And such systems always had a massive amount of dwarves and any kind of subraces anyway, which means that OP is also basing his thread on dumb no-games shit.

>>95887840
idk why people say this when we literally have Avatars of Khaine in both games and word of god/out of universe confirmation he's not the same dude. the Ruinous Powers dont have a monopoly on worship

>>95885951
>lists D&D 3.5e races
That's the issue here, you lists races which were all made separately from each other, each meant to go into it's own, rushed book. Your typical setting/game would have only as much races as it needs, but not 3.5e.
>Actic Dwarves & Glacier Dwarves
bruh

>>95896280
you are a fucking idiot. Its never been confirmed anywhere (and if BL has they are hacks) Its the same shit with the Deceiver and the Laughing God being the same being. Only terminal autist morons can't get the hint.

>>95897781
Are you retarded? You know that eldar have a fucking codex right? Hell clowns literally had their own codes up until 10th edition and still have entire sections of the Craftworld codex.

Cegorach is not fucking Tzeentch you retard, the entire Eldar pantheon predate chaos even having a physical presence in our galaxy by 60,000,000 years.

>>95897781
Are you ragebaiting or are you simply retarded?

>>95885934 (OP)
Elves are a surprisingly simplistic and generic enough race that the only compelling factor about them is what kind of elves they are. Dwarves are simply complex enough not to need a hundred subdivisions of them.

>>95885934 (OP)
I suppose it's cuz elves are largely tied to both magic and the natural world in a lot of settings gives them more wiggle room, magic/nature means you can have ones that ''split off'' from the main elves and went to worship/connect to the woods, the sea, the sun and moon etc, all the while regular high elves can move forward and become the default ones, meanwhile so much of dwarves' indentity in popular fantasy is attached to either craftsmanship or industry that its hard to separate them from that, even examples like the chaos dwarfs are still industrialists but their craft is now shoving demons into warmachines

>>95885934 (OP)
It's like black people. You have like four types. African, Middle Eastern, Caribbean, and African American. However they mostly just act the same with a different accent and maybe some change in clothing depending on funds and location.

Where white people are more like elves. They have many different types and you can tell from a glance and how they look and act. It's quite clear and can be fun to play different types. Where a dwarf is just a dwarf maybe better for colder weather or use to hotter temps, but still the same blacksmith warrior that just over 4'4 with a beard that reeks of booze

>>95885951
SPBP

>>95903958
Stfu you tranny nigger faggot, niggers have nothing to do with dwarves

>>95903553
Except there are a million different shitty subtypes of dwarves as well. The problem with dwarves is that their concept is so pigeonheld that it's hard to deviate from that.
Elves have very strong fundamental core characteristics. On the other hand, they can be surprisingly versatile while still maintaining that core.
That's also noteworthy how much more important elves are for the history and lore of many settings.

>>95885934 (OP)
>mountain dwarves
>hill dwarves
>gray dwarves
>arctic dwarves
>wild dwarves
>gully dwarves

here's your dwarf variants bro

>>95887068
Yes.

>>95887840
Fantasy would significantly be improved by making Khaine a minor Chaos god a la Hashut, just one that happened to also be part of the Elf pantheon that Helves/Welves try to sweep under the rug.

>>95886003
Because they are literally an evil order aligned faction.

>>95899560
>>95899578
You are both autistic retards and need to stay out of lore discussion.

>>95886130
>Couldn't be bothered developing dwarves as much as elves
>Ends up making one of the best songs sung in his books, that I would gladly shed a tear for, be about Durin and his folk
Makes me wish he put as much love into dwarves as he did elves. I love warhammer fantasy doing just that and making Khazalid the most developed dwarf language in any setting.

>>95911999
Forgot to post since I'm retarded.
https://youtu.be/6cX_f4uIDtQ?si=0EWxHb_qs1PsVzHS

>>95886003
>but we have to pretend that the dark elves arent chaos elves
Storm of Chaos lets Dark Eldar take daemons.

>Storm of Chaos
>Dark Eldar

>>95912052
>Archaeon
>urge to smack a bitch
he should have hit himself

>>95912199
Now I feel trolled on.

>>95885934 (OP)
Well there's Mountain Dwarves, Hill Dwarves and Deep Dwarves (Duergar). I'm sure more in other settings other than DnD. In wrestling terms though, Dwarves are the jannetty to Elves. The latter are simply greatly more popular to both male and females (for different reasons) in comparison. It always was and always will be.
Hence the time spent on them.

A better question would be why there's usually only one flavor of Human in a magical world-altering world. Where are the meta-humans?

>>95885934 (OP)
>Mountain Dwarves
>Deep Dwarves
>Deeper Dwarves
>Deep Deep Dwarves
>Super Duper Extra Deep Dwarves
>Abyssal Dwarves
>Point of No Return Dwarves

I started this to make fun of you, but it actually seems cool to have increasingly retarded levels of Dwarves based on depths.

>>95912375
dwarves are like an iceberg

>The dwarves that dug to deep
>Cathay Dwarves

>>95912300
>>95890932
So wood elves are just elves that chose to live on forests, right? I don't know if I'm correct but does it have to be a hard distinction? Humans develop many civilizations, as well, so wood human would just be Aztecs. If you wanted to call them that. Sun humans = Egyptians, etc.

>>95916947
>So wood elves are just elves that chose to live on forests, right?
they're elves that are disgusted by civilization and go live like hermits in the woods that most elves (not just them) place high value in

>>95885934 (OP)
d&d 3.5 had 9 types of dwarfs and 7 of elves, whfb has 3 types of dwarfs, tolkien has 6 types

High elf
Wood elf
Dark elf
Night Elf(purple tits bro)

Regular dorf
Evil Dorf


Only variants we ever needed.

>95918592
No-games.

>>95885934 (OP)
Never enough elves and dwarfs as both their females (my dwarfettes are beardless) make hard.
>t. shameless coomer

>>95887068
Azers are elementals from the Plane of Fire who look like dwarves, act like dwarves, speak dwarven, and whose culture is basically "dwarves, but working with fire, magma, and molten metal". 4e said fuck it, and just made them a race of dwarves who got turned into fire elementals.

Azerbloods are the dwarf equivalent of fire genasi, being the children of dwarves and azers.

>>95896326
Most of the dwarf races listed in that list came from 2nd edition. Even the Complete Book of Dwarves from 2e lists, off the top of my head, Hill Dwarves, Mountain Dwarves, Deep Dwarves, Gully Dwarves, Sundered Dwarves, and Duergar (who were possibly also called Dark Dwarves).

>>95885934 (OP)
Firstly, as >>95885951 points out, there are actually a lot of dwarves. The problem is that most dwarf subraces tend to blend together, whereas the elf subraces usually can at least stand out as more distinct, even if many of them are just different names for the same four archetypes of elf (fae elf, nature elf, evil elf, water elf).

>>95886191
Hell, Dark Elves originally WERE Chaos-worshipping elves, to the point that Khaine was either a minor Chaos god or a mask for Khorne depending on the sourcebook.

>>95896280
>>95909273
Khaine originally *was* either the Elf name for Khorne or a minor Chaos god, and that last until 5th or possibly even 6th edition of Warhammer Fantasy - I think it wasn't until 6e's Dark Elf armybook that Khaine was truly cemented as a powerful non-Chaos but still evil god, off the top of my head.

>>95912031
Technically, Storm of Chaos gave us the Dark Elf Cult of Slaanesh variant army, it didn't give daemons to the core dark elf army

>>95888292
>>snow elves
>The fuck is this stupid shit
An obscure elf subrace originally from Greyhawk, they live in snowy mountains and glacier regions, and are considered pricks even by other elves. They got a less annoying setting-neutral reimagining in 3e's Frostburn enviro-splat.

>>95892494
We technically already have this; the canon-list of gnome subraces from D&D is:
>Rock Gnome
>Forest Gnome
>Deep Gnome (Svirfneblin)
>Krynnish Tinker Gnome
>Krynnish Wild Gnome
>Krynnish Thinker Gnome
>Arcane Gnome
>River Gnome
>Wavecrest Gnome
>Ice Gnome
>Fire Gnome
>Sky Gnome
>Feywild Gnome

https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Gnome#Subraces

>>95886130
Yeah, the book was too long already.