Previously: >>95881513

Craw Wurm Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: What's your most hated type of deck?

>>95888616 (OP)
>TQ
anything that beats me and my "just a little guy" decks (cascade, nekusar) before I pop off

>>95888616 (OP)
>What's your most hated type of deck?
Theft. I don’t like it. I brought my cards for me to play, not for you to play. If you want to play other people’s decks, play clones.

>>95888622
>Whenever is the design slop word youre looking for
mh, maybe
I was just wondering where to start looking, because I've played decks with +1 counter mechanics before, but they usually weren't the focus.

>>95888629
I play red theft in sac decks as removal, it just feels so right.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

Will there be Commander 2025 decks and if so will one inevitably be radically overtuned?

>>95888655
there already are commander decks in 2025

>>95888650
I don’t mind the theft mechanic when used sparingly. I have Twisted Fealty and Claim the Firstborn and am looking for a thematic deck to play them in. But I fucking hate decks that are nothing but “I’m gonna search through YOUR deck and hand!”
Not to mention theft is objectively the best type of removal in the game. Non destructive, no death triggers, plus pure advantage for the thief. Literally the only downside is mana cost, and that’s not much of a hurdle

>>95888648
>I was just wondering where to start looking
https://edhrec.com/tags/plus-1-plus-1-counters

>>95888629
I don't play theft because I want to play your cards, I play it because I want to hastily scoop them up with mine when I go home at the end of the night.

>>95888693
I don’t own a single card worth more than $15 as far as I’m aware.
No, I tell a lie. I have an Enchanting Tales Rhystic Study. But I don’t play anything more valuable than that because it’s usually not the power level I enjoy

>>95888689
that's just FIRE popular slop

>>95888719
And? The request was:
>what's the most basic +1 counter commander?

>>95888725
yeah, those are not basic

>>95888616 (OP)
>TQ
>I'm playing [literally any izzet commander]!
Cool. Guess I just have to rush you until you're dead or you kill me since you can combo or storm off and kill the whole table at the drop of a hat and I know for a fact your deck has the capably of doing it.
>m-mine is different I'm playing a super special izzet commander that doesn-
Nope yours too.

>>95888740
What is more basic than literally the most played commanders in the theme you chose??

>>95888751
What if I played izzet enchantress?

>>95888752
popular =/= basic
perfect example on this list is mothman. way to complex, have to constantly remind people to mill, check what they mill and track the rad counters. that's not a basic +1 commander.

>>95888763
If you want basic, then go with Maester Seymour or Tromell from the new FFX precon. Mono-Green, enable +1/+1 counter strats in the command zone and have their own in-built payoffs.

>TQ
Combo was a mistake.

>>95888740
Skullbriar is basic as fuck, man.
>but he violates one of the basic preconceptions of the game!
Cool thank god he does it in a way that's completely intuitive and confuses nobody.

>>95888956
instead of counters he should just persistently get stronger in all zones FACT

>>95888616 (OP)
>TQ
Group hug decks. I fucking hate the faggots playing them with their "oh I'm just helping everyone teehee!" mentality and meanwhile the insanely greedy combo deck immediately to their left is guaranteed to win the game because the idiot group hug player played an oath of druids and gave them a free nyxbloom ancient.

What are you favorite alt win cons?

>>95888751
Yeah it's just what that color combination always does. Anything with prowess is also in a similar vein that if you give them even a single turn things can just be over and it all feels the same.

>>95888629
understood, i'll bring a chaos deck so you are forced to play with other people's cards instead

>TQ
Most Jeskai or anything with Izzet really.
Worst offende is Nu-Narset, the FIRE one. this shit puts Simics value engine to shame and makes the most insufferable boardstates and trigger fests. its Cathar's crusade in the command zone, this shit should have been reserved for a digital only

>>95888956
>>but he violates one of the basic preconceptions of the game!
fucking hate that these stupid fucks at WotC constantly have to meddle with the rules of the game and the command zone to the point where picrel doesnt work with exile effects anymore
i still play it how it used to regardless, its not like it makes her super busted, fuck the WotC

>>95889072
you first

>>95889072
doesn't win

>>95889072
>heh *I* forced the game to end that means it's MY win
nope.

>>95889151
>>95889172
>To achieve success in an effort or venture.

Dictionary says it's a win :)

>>95889150
>>95889151
>>95889172
I consider it a win when played from a bad position/behind in board state/stopping another player from winning.
If I'm ahead I'l try to play this instead.

>>95889185
>>95889236
I KNEW tie fags think they are actually winning when forcing a draw. one guy irl even slipped the words "I win" in a conversation once when talking about divine intervention but everyone played it off as a joke
disgustingly disingenuous behaviour. trying to make others look like the crazy ones by lying to their face. I bet there is a word for people like you
yes, I'm mad

Wanting to consume and buy the FF commander decks, but scalping fucks have got them all...this sucks man I'm not buying this shit for like $100 extra per deck

>>95889429
isn't building the decks from 0 actually cheaper at this point since the singles are almost all worthless

>>95889424
Genuine schizofag behavior. Relax sweatlord.

>>95888751
i'll take a quick loss over dealing with all the esper shit thanks to y'shtola

>>95888751
Sometimes I feel bad for bullying Izzet players, but unfortunately I don't know the combos well, so I'd rather kneecap and take them out instead of taking 49 to the face out of nowhere

>>95888616 (OP)
Storm, I hate long turns where nothing happens.

>>95888751
I'm playing Yusri goblins (with no coin flip support) because he refills my hand.

>>95888751
based
our local izzetfag was jerking himself off on like turn 5 so I slapped him in the cock with three 10/10 karnstructs this last weekend

>>95888616 (OP)
>tq
Stax because it doesn't win it just dies slowly

>>95888616 (OP)
>TQ
Theft sucks, it's not even a good archetype. So if anyone is playing theft you know they're literally just doing it to piss everyone off

>>95889440
that's the one I was looking for

>>95888616 (OP)
Mill sucks, it's not even a good archetype. So if anyone is playing mill you know they're literally just doing it to piss everyone off

>TQ
Discard sucks, it's not even a good archetype. So if anyone is playing discard you know they're literally just doing it to piss everyone off

Zidane is the main character and is only uncommon.
Vivi is a popular side character and is a mythic

This just feels wrong, I get that Vivi is popular but this is a weird way to do this.

As much as I love this set they really crammed everything in here, they should have given us a full block of final fantasy

>>95889563
>As much as I love this set they really crammed everything in here, they should have just turned the full game in to final fantasy
ftfy

>>95888616 (OP)
>TQ
Eldrazi, they were design mistakes as Annihilator is not fun to play against, especially when you fucking double it due to Echoes of Eternity, I’d rather deal with fucking Slivers.

>>95889580
there is a final fantasy card game already...

>>95889580
I mean, sure, it would be better than the hat sets we get

>>95889562
My favorite politics card

>>95889669
You're only saying that because you like Final Fantasy and would likely disagree if it was a property you did not like or care for.

>>95889682
Yeah, that is true.

>>95889682
That's true, thankfully it's one of the most popular game series of all time with some of the most variety in terms of things to pull from. Should have been a full block.

>>95888616 (OP)
poison since they just sit behind propaganda effects and proliferate their way to a win

>>95889676
he cute

>D&D 5.5 is a massive flop
>Critical Role is making their own D&D competitor
>Hasbro is going to force Magic to become even more sloppified to fill the gap
what will the UBfags' breaking point be, I wonder

>>95889793
he cute

>>95889793
Magic is already dead, we're just enjoying the decline

>>95888616 (OP)
>What's your most hated type of deck?
In terms of me not having fun: Discard stax decks
In terms of hating it because of players and gaslighting: Green decks
>"I need ramp and manadorks because my creature costs so much"
>proceeds to cheat in all their stuff and get ungodly amount of mana and counters from creatures because a creature with 4/4 power and toughness is apparently hard to put on and keep on the field
>"You can't destroy lands that not fun for anyone!!"
>proceeds to destroy all our artifacts and enchantments
>"Green only focuses on creatures so you guys have all the benefit of carddraw, tutor and alternative ways to win"
>proceeds to do the thing other colors do but better like lifegain, carddraw, tutoring, graveyard because they have a creature on the battlefield they cheated in with more than 4/4 power and toughness and put out a single creature/enchantment that wins them the game

>>95889793
Anon, D&D already never made any money to begin with. Hasbro gets by on Magic and Monopoly Go.

>>95888751
Erm, excuse me Mr. Goblin #NotAllIzzetPlayers.

Combo and Storm are for fags, we are punching each other in the face the way Garfield intended.

>>95889888
Based
No matter what color combo I play, I'm playing aggro. Wether wide or tall, I will always win through combat damage and lots of creatures

>>95888751
This but for every spellslinger deck. Temur can be the same.

>>95889682
yes, that's literally how this works
anyone else's taste < my tastes
cry about it

>1 opp plays smothering tithe, next opp plays force fruition
That's a scoop

>>95889860
4e and 5 were massively profitable.

>>95888751
I just play a lot of rocks(and sigil of sleep)

>>95889682
So how long are you guys gonna keep crying about UB? Until the game dies in 10-15 years? Seems like a retarded waste of time to me.

>>95890035
For the rest of his life.
He already does it every thread

>>95890042
It's genuinely pathetic.

>NO YOU GUYS DON'T UNDERSTAND I HAVE TO SEETHE AND DILATE EVERY DAY THAT THIS CORPORATION IS TRYING TO EXPAND ITS MARKET APPEAL AND THEY DON'T EXCLUSIVELY MAKE FANTASYSHIT STORIES WITH THEIR GENERIC AND UNINTERESTING IN HOUSE IPS THAT HAVE TOTALLY FAILED TO FIND POP CULTURE APPEAL AFTER 30 YEARS THIS IS IMPORTANT THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO BE WASTING MY LIFE WORRYING ABOUT AAAAAAAA SAVE ME AJANI AAAAAAA SAVE ME LOOT

>>95889822
As the resident gruul/temur/jund player at my table, you're 100% right to punch green decks in the teeth. Bolt the bird.
Though to be honest it sounds like you have more gripes with small little bean players that whine and complain every time you rightfully shoot them in the dick, and act all smug like they're devious masterminds when they inevitably win when you leave them alone. Like no-one saw it coming from half a mile away.

>>95890104
>Pop culture appeal is important
>Magic is funkopop tier and that's a good thing

I snagged my boy at locals last night, what's some cool ways to build Clive

>>95888693
Post the right card dipshit larping zoomie nigger

>>95890138
>being popular is important
Yes

>>95888763
>remind peolle to mill
No you dont. They remember or they are cheating.
>track rad
See above
>track what they mill
Tangentially.

You sound retarded maybe stop being a lazy piece of shit and find the most basic commander yourself

>>95890104
Yeah I don't get it either. Especially with the constant strawManning and ad hom. It's not enough to just say that he doesn't like UB, instead he personally attacks everyone here as though that's going to make a difference.

I truly hope he gets some mental health counseling before the end of the year, especially seeing as how we have a lot more UB to go with marvel and avatar on the horizon

>>95890187
lol High school tier, sometimes it's better when something isn't popular then it doesn't get turned into funkopops.

>>95890190
>nogames: the post
pityful that retards like you are still allowed to waste my precious air

>>95889424
>force a certain game state
>a gamestate that you and only you planned for and want to happen
>this isn't a win
>Noooo nooooo it says a draw!!!! Ignore the fact I was trying to actually win and i couldn't stop this it says a draw!!!!!!!
WAAC fags need to be stopped.

>>95890035
You have people on /tg/ getting into semi-regular shitfits over primaris marines.

>>95890035
>>95890104
As long as they are printing UW I will rightfully shit on and refuse to play UB and there is nothing wrong with that. You try this every thread and its really sad because it never becomes true.

>>95890210
>knowing the rules of the game is nogames
I just dont play with cheaters anon. I dont track anything my friends have to track because they understand the rules as well.

And you're the one crying that they cant find the "most basic +1/+1 counter legendary" i can think of 10 off the top of my head dipshit

>>95890203
>high school tier

Says the neckbeard crying that some corporation is putting images on cards he doesn't like

>>95890203
>dude this product designed to make money shouldnt be popular
And that's how things die, dumbass

>>95890237
>no u
>in a way that makes literally 0 sense
Are adults not allowed to care about the things they engage with? What an absurd rebuttal lmao. It is high school to think popularity is good and necessary, it is simply human, to care about your interests.

Why does mill make people seethe so fucking much

>>95890213
But a draw isnt a win anon.

>>95890246
>having a larger playerbase than ever is how things die

>>95890246
There are plenty of products companies etc that make money without engaging in this type of behaviour zoomzoom. There are insular hobbies that exist, niche ones etc. That have pretty much reached their market cap and accept it and do not harm the image of their product in order to appeal to kids still in diapers

>>95890261
>>95890246
Look the retards don't even understand they are on the same side HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>95890252
Dude you're crying over images and names in a nerd card game. The sheer lack of self awareness to refer to yourself as an adult lmao you have the maturity of a literal 12 year old

>>95890269
Nope? My posts are pretty calm and rational. Not helping your image here bud. Go ahead and post your ID cause I want to make sure I'm not abusing a literal child right now

>>95890281
Being over the age of 18 and caring about inages on cards for a corporate nerd card game is the absolute opposite of rational anon. Genuinely embarrassing behavior.

>>95890236
>I just dont play with cheaters anon
no, you don't play with people at all, or you would understand how often one has to remind people of triggers and mechanics in a game of edh. you are a nogames retard who pretends he isn't playing a casual game with other casuals.

>>95890296
Im afraid caring about your hobbies and their health is never an immature thing to do. Only an undeveloped mind could even come to such an asinine conclusion. Feel free to explain with your big boy words, how it is irrational to care about the health of your hobbies.

>>95888616 (OP)
>The cooler Green 6 mana beater

>>95890307
Im afraid I dont play with toddlers who need training wheels anon. I remember my triggers, my friends remember theirs. Sadly for you i play twice a week. Maybe you and your friends should stop smoking so much pot you can't even play properly.

>been out of the EDH loop for a bit
>just find out there's a tier list with 5 tiers
>"My decks are pretty strong. They're not the best in the world, but I'm betting they're solid 3's."

>they're all tier 1
>After calling them just to make sure, WotC told me they're considering making a tier 0 just for me

>>95890157
He's not really intended to be a build-around, considering his only real effect is to refill your hand. Great in the 99 of any monored and almost any half-red deck, but not really a legendary creature belonging in the command zone.
Still, if you insist, the only mechanic he checks is devotion. The only other payoff for that that comes to mind is Fanatic of Mogis. Go ahead and slam red pips left and right, Defiler of Instinct to make your red pips phyrexian, big ultra-red enchantments like City on Fire and Fiery Emancipation, maybe even Triple Triad for the memes.

>>95890325
Something like omega burn 1 shot sounded like it might be fun and thematic
I think I saw some lists going full enchantress
There's quite I few commanders I wanna build around but Clive is one of the important ones to me

>>95889138
i get it anon. I have a deck with her at the helm with yoshimaru. I always play it as written now, but it pains me.

>>95890311
Because there's other actual important shit to lose your mind over and focus your mental energies on, you literal manchild? You're literally crying over a corporate entertainment product that did something 90% of the playerbase either supports or at least doesn't care about, mostly because they understand it's a corporate nerd card game. There's race and class riots happening all over the 1st world deciding the fate of the future, major wars happening at this very moment that might spiral into an actual 3rd world, the worst wealth gap we've ever had in the entirety of human history, potentially catastrophic climate change and mass migrations and economic depressions such changes have brought, endemic pollution that might be causing irreparable harm to the species, etc etc etc.

And you're on here shitting up the thread every single day crying because of pic related exists. You obviously have nothing else going on in your life or an actual neckbeard manchild with no perspective to care so much about the images in a corporate nerd card game.

>>95889563
As an IXfag I have to agree. Also Alexander deserved better.

>>95890377
We dont have numbers on UB support, so 90% is not something you can say. Appealing to fantasy is not rational anon you are off to a terrible start.
>you cant care about your hobbies cause uh..... people are being deported :((((((
Not sure if this is a joke or not but this might be the dumbest thing I've ever read
>have a bad day
>enlightened zoomer on 4chan says haha people are like dying or getting kicked out of countries you can think about your bad day!!!
Entirely irrational denial of self because worse pain exists is incredibly stupid, you'll need to keep trying.
>baseless ad hom
Lol

You thoroughly failed to rationally explain why I cant care about the things I'm interested in. And you went so far to as completely deny yourself in the process, because after all, great things are happening in the world how can you justify caring about anything? Hell how can you justify arguing IN FAVOR of UB when people are literally dying and the world's about the end anon. You played yourself hard here.

>>95890319
sadly for you, your made up stories will never come true. maybe you should try playing with other people for once and find out why you are unwanted in this world.

>>95890411
What bizarre projection.

Making a deck for Gabranth. I'm keeping it at Bracket 3, but with an interactive and competitive attitude. Am I setting mana-curve correctly?

https://moxfield.com/decks/bdHvVa8oskKqNaoQj-B6Aw

>>95890402
>Also Alexander deserved better.

i found my people. legit my favorite summon/entity in all of FF.

Give me the 9, or 14 version of it. I know 14 got plenty, but i fucking love the voltron Alexander.

>>95890450
for you

>>95890408
You're a genuine midwit. That's all I have to say, my point was thoroughly made but you're too dumb/petulant to acknowledge it. I won, you lost - literally, since UB is so popular the company itself is now going to ensure 50% of the product consists of it going forward (as they rightly should since UB has also been the best selling sets in the game's entire history. Good job defending your hobby!)

Feel free to give me further (You)s, I will feel free to laugh at you filling up each thread with more and more seethe about UB.

>>95890480
Alexander Savage was such a good fight

>>95890500
>this feminized irrational whingefest
Slow down anon you have some potential world wars to worry about why are you investing so much time into a card game and the pictures within?

>>95889563
The rarity distribution and choices are a mess for this set.

>>95890402
>>95890480
IX deserved better in general.

>>95890505
>Risewithme
>Risewithme
>risewithme
>RISE UP

>>95890548
9, 11, basically any game that didnt get a cmdr deck in addition to the majority of the cards in the set....

>>95889793
>Critical Role is making their own D&D competitor
Is that really happening? I wondered how long it would take before they tried to go fully on their own. Though I thought they'd have done it years ago when they were they felt a lot bigger and the excitement around the game felt stronger.

why is there so many precons and why are they so popular
every fucking player is asking "how do i upgrade my *insert precon name*?" like i fucking know what the decks are called? what the fuck is a painbow? just name the freaking commander
half the top edhrec commanders are from precons
just brew your own deck that's half of the whole game

>IX, XI deserved better
I sleep
>VIII, XII deserved better
real shit

>>95890560
>we're playing precons only wanna join in!
No! Precons aren't even magic i don't care if you swapped out ten cards make your own deck

>>95890571
like i said, every fucking game that didn't get stuff.

I love 12, just as much as 11.
>no occuria
>no vayne flipping into the undying
>gabranth kinda being a mid uncommon

>>95890548
I'm playing it again rn, such kino...

If my opponent casts a Deadeye and I cast Galadriel's Dismissal on him with the soulbound trigger on the stack, are they still soulbound when they phase back in?

God Emet Selchs effect is kino

>>95890590
Based. I'm planning to play it again after I'm done my replay of VI

>>95890613
Yeah I know man like who would have guessed?

>>95890625
It's the requirement to become hades which makes it truly kino
They knocked it out of the park with the flavor on some of these effects

>>95890702
Having double threshold? How new are you?

>>95890711
you show your idiocy so blatantly.

>>95890702
Yeah, they really did. Assembling the convocation is perfect.

>>95890553
>>95890480
>>95890540
>>95889563
There really was a huge bias in favor of XIV for this set

>>95890729
its what happens when its an active long running MMO with a huge playerbase.

its just business unfortunately

I truly hate mmos with a burning crimson passion

>>95889072
I play a lot of stax/pillowfort. My win condition is "not being allowed to use that deck anymore".

>>95890716
Oh is this a muh flavor argument? Ok then, that's fair. I don't play shit vidya so I wouldn't know.

>>95890557
Making a new game doesn't happen overnight

>>95890729
>huge bias in favor of XIV for this set
>not a single playable female au/ra
>only one playable female viera
Idk they could have pandered harder.

>>95888616 (OP)
TQ: any megathreat commander that demands immediate removal like ureni. always piloted by babies who throw tantrums when you lock them down. had one say I was “targeting” him cause I countered his “hit the board to win the game instantly” commander and hit him for 2 entire damage to draw cards with my commander. then he wasted his whole hand removing my board and we both lost. This game has the worst case of bitchniggeritis I swear. I’m one autistic screaming fit away from never playing with randoms again.

>>95890716
Even just some of the regular equipment is great

>>95890213
>WAAC fags need to be stopped.
exactly, people who try to bend the rules to their win are the worst kind in this community

>>95890765
>Didn't even get 1 card of my wife
Shit collab

>>95890752
i shouldn't have been so harsh, but yeah its a direct reference to the game in both his motivations, and even how his boss fight plays out.

>>95890778
Got a cameo at least

>>95890769

>mpc didn't save my project
Well fuck me then

>>95890702
Context? I never played the game that he is from.
Did he kill a bunch of people?

>>95890729
Yeah this is actually my biggest problem with the set

>>95888751
I'll take that 1v3 smiling as I drop the fourth asymmetrical boardwipe that game, ensuring nobody else gets to have a board as I remind you that this is strictly your fault for being dogshit at the game and not knowing how to evaluate resources.
Combo-fearing peons need to know their rightful place, bound to the earth fleeing from the approaching storm, shackled by their own incompetence.

>>95890887
>TLDR
in 14, there used to be a race of ancient immortal proto-beings (hence why Emet has the "elder" typing). They had a governing body called "The convocation of 14"

They caused their own downfall. To prevent total collapse, one of these ancient beings, Venat, cleaved the world into 14 smaller mini-worlds. This also cleaved those ancient beings, into weaker mortal beings (the player characters and ingame NPCs).

Emet was one of the few who avoided this. Him and a few of the remaining elder beings, who opposed Venat, are trying to mash the 14 mini-worlds back together. So that the mortal beings, can be mashed back into their proto-selves.

His boss battle has him invoking the convocation of 14, so that they can give him the strength to defeat you, the player character, because he just wants to revive his old friends back, and you the player character are like "lol no".

>>95890975
Is he a sympathetic and nuanced character or is he just a big jerk

>>95890887
He was trying to sacrifice the world (Ezorea) in order to revive his ancient multi-dimensional race. When he's defeated, he says "Well, we truly were a Final Fantasy 14 after all...".

>>95890986
he's very sympathetic and nuanced, but also a funny asshole. In-game he has lived multiple lives in the guise of others, and def has the issue of immortality aka, the people i love grow old and die.

You come home and your gf tells you that she has a surprise for you. She found your commander decks and saw that all the cards were mixed up. She took all cards from all your decks and sorted them neatly into five piles. One for each color. She is very proud of her hard work.
Your reaction?

>>95891009
damn i have a gf??

>>95891009
Why is there a woman in my house? I only have sex with male dragons just as autistic as me.

>>95891009
I kiss her and then fuck her and ask her not to do it again

Then I use the opportunity to revisit which decks I wanted to keep and wanted to get rid of and reassemble those from the midfield lists that I autistically keep

>>95891009
>five piles
>no colorless pile
>no multi colored pile
Dumb bitch

>>95891009
Piss and shit and scream probably.
My actual gf is behind me right now putting together her Helga deck full of hydras so thankfully I don't have to think about that

>>95888616 (OP)
>TQ: What's your most hated type of deck?
winconless stax/control. Do nothing, prevent anything from happening, no one is allowed to be happy. And then you chip damage someone for 2-4 damage every turn

>>95891009
how can she sort the colors into five piles when i don't play cards from the piece of shit color that is white? huh??

>>95888681
>But I fucking hate decks that are nothing but “I’m gonna search through YOUR deck and hand!”
wait have I been misunderstanding theft this entire time? I thought stuff like Threaten were the "theft" cards that everyone got pissy over. I've got a deck with a bunch of threaten cards that I use to attack you with your creatures, then give back to you, rarely I'll sac them. Is that not theft?

>>95890253
They are bad at Magic, and/or bad at making decks

>>95891130
They're both types of theft. Red's style of defection is usually temporary, so it's less annoying than the blue flavor, which is "I'm taking your shit, deal with it".

>>95891161
Oh I don't play that stuff. So I'm just gonna call it and say I'm safe

>>95891161
This card makes me scoop on the spot

>>95888616 (OP)
>guy in my LGS discord goes on a rant about how he's done with MTG because everyone is playing Final Fantasy decks and it ruins the game for him
>someone else immediately calls him out for regularly playing a Mothman deck
>he leaves the server when everyone starts clowning on him
I'm genuinely curious if he'll show up tonight. It's the only LGS in town.

>>95891280
This is the truth about UB. I wonder if the anti-ub slop poster is truly just upset that it's not his turn

>>95891184
What's the matter? Deck no longer works without your precious Thoracle?

>>95891329
No, I just don't like people touching my cards

Anons, why the hell is alt art Sepiroth 90 burger bucks? Hes great, but not 90 dollars good. Weeb tax?

>>95891355
Because it's the alt art and they are extremely rare and only found in the collector's packs

>>95888681
The salt she generates is worth the hate it draws

>>95891355
you must understand the production cost for such fine pieces is astronomical, wotc aren't made of money they need to eat too

>>95891351
That's too bad. I'll be taking your commander, btw

>>95891307
>because *I* don't have principles everyone who dislikes UB also doesn't have principles!
rofl ok
I like Final Fantasy and Fallout and Warhammer but I don't want them in Magic, no more than I want Magic in any of them faggot. Get your Fortnite crossover syndrome out of my hobby and suck on a pistol

>>95891365
I dont mean surge foil, i mean the ones with the red background, sort of a side profile. I got 2 in play boosters. Surge sephy is like, 350 bucks i think

You don't actually play goodstuff decks, do you anon? Surely you've built a unique strategy in a format where player expression and deckbuilding are the point, right?

>>95891382
No you won't because I'll be scooping

>>95890035
For as long as I'm playing Magic

>>95891403
Right
Everything that I said is still accurate

>>95891382
What is this amateur hour?

>>95890480
Perfect Alex would be the first triple meld card

>>95891382
>>95891460

>>95890200
Of course you wouldn't, you're an NPC.

Thinking isn't your nature.

>>95891457
The alt art sepiroth cards i pulled from play boosters, one at prerelease. 90 a pop. Why the price?

The most valid criticism of Universes Beyond that is almost never addressed here is how WotC still hasn't committed to reprinting non-SL cards with trademarked types, names, or mechanics. Stuff like pic related will eventually cost a fucking fortune.

>>95890213
wtf is WAAC

>>95891481
Yeah, they just do some stupid shit like there had to be a fucking Astartes creature type instead of being a soldier mutant or something

>>95891474
Epic burn anon

>>95891481
Definitely, I've considered these to be essentially pseuo-reserved list cards for s while now.

>>95891476
Because of scarcity
Can you fucking read bro?

>>95891447
>turn 3 Ray of Command
>he scoops
>proceed to lock the entire game without a win condition until he leaves the store.

>>95891489
Tyranid felt like the most egregious example from 40k because they literally introduced black border aliens the same year as 40k released.
Time Lord is fucking stupid as well.

>>95891505
I mean why the fuck would I care what happens to the game if I scooped?

>>95891508
>Time Lord
Fuck don't even get started

I still can't believe Time is a creature type

>>95891508
I'm actually really glad for this reason that Final Fantasy avoided most of this, lalafel for example are just dwarves

>>95891504
I dont see why they are scarce when i pulled 2. From play boosters. Can you read? Forget it, dont wanna argue

>>95891508
>Time Lord
This still disgusts me every time I look at it. For fuck's sake they could have just added a hyphen

There's a borderline special needs guy at our store. Builds decks stuffed to the gills with expensive cards but has no real idea how to pilot his brews or assess threats.

He also spergs if you interact with him. Downright mutters angrily to himself for the rest of the game. I've seen him rage scoop to a Bojuka Bog.

But nothing gets him angrier than if you steal his cards. Anytime I get into a pod with him, I know not to interact until I need him out of the game. Then if I end up in a pod with him, if I have a commanding position and the game becomes a 3v1, I use a single theft effect and he immediately forfeits. Thus turning it into a 2v1 that I'm almost certain to win.

>>95891523
FF didn't introduce a single new creature type as far as I know.

>>95891526
Are you like actually fucking retarded?

>>95891544

>>95891559
Tell me what I am failing to understand

>>95891566
I'm ok with this one

>>95891575
>>95891544
Towns

>>95891572
Just because you opened them doesn't mean they're not scarce.

>>95891578
Not a creature type
>>95891566
Oops forgot about this. I guess Qu as well, that probably should have been Frog and something

>>95891583
He's either retarded or trolling. Either way it's a waste of effort.

>>95891572
>"Why is it so expensive"
>Because it's scarce
>"IT'S NOT SCARCE I HAVE TWO"

>>95891583
Yea, but you said they are only available in collector boosters

>>95891541
Sounds like a lot of fun

>>95891588
Qu are not frogs dumbass. They eat them because they live in a swamp.

>>95891566
>Cat Bat Gnome Fairy
fixed

>>95891544
>Qu

FF9 got it oddly enough. my favorite character though.

>>9589098
Sympathetic
During shadowbringers peak he was like top 5 most popular in the entire franchise

You come home and see all cards from all your decks and sorted neatly into five piles. One for each color. You live alone and have no friends or family. Your reaction?

>>95891667
Turn 360 degrees and walk away

>>95891667
Check my cameras and pull my gun

>>95889682
Yeah. And FF is a better setting that Magic

>>95891355
He's Sephiroth. That's it

>>95891719
Honestly, this answer works for me

>>95891009
My wife sorts lands based off of artist name. I hate it please help me.

Does Wizards condone child abuse? What the fuck?

>>95889429
Only cost me $360 a month ago.
The Tidus one is the only decent one.

>>95891667
Wonder where the fuck my gold cards are because those are my favourite.

I love mass phasing so much bros. It feels so good telling the Cyclonic Rift player "No"

>>95891481
>WotC still hasn't committed to reprinting non-SL cards
What a weird way to say WotC is manipulating the secondary market, alienating a couple varieties of customer groups, and generally fucking up. But you probably didn't want to sound redundant.

>>95891895
Any deck that can run those absolutely should. Love Guardian Of Faith

>>95891895
Pretty cool, too bad I don't play white

>>95891819
she is based

>>95891829
It's culture when they do it
But no, physical punishment is just a tool, a good spanking instills the severity of a fuck up, and is not abuse.

>>95891979
t. beaten as a child

I wanna build picrel. I don't think she's good but I don't have a group hug deck. Is there enough mono w group draw to make her work?

>>95891991
yeah, there def is. You can also include blink effects to just utilize Tataru even more.

>>95891990
Yes, and I deserved it and it helped me grow into a better human.

>>95891997
I'll look through my bulk and see what I can find. I did a quick Google search for "group hug card draw" but a lot of stuff in different colors came up. Maybe I should think about a wincon too. Aren't there things that make tokens when artifacts come into play?

>>95892012
there is crazy amount of artifact-token synergy.

>>95892023
Beautiful, thanks anon

>>95891907
Yes yes, I just said a very specific problem. The general broader issues you mentioned are largely true too.

>>95892115
>Problem
Nosewater and his goons are shaking you upsidedown because you're a tasteless nostalgia retard
>Solution
Stop playing with UBcards, disregard UBfags

>>95892003
rofl I'm so sorry anon

Lmao

>set of FF commander decks comes in the mail
>open everything because I'm a degenerate
>only the X one had a loss prevention sticker/chip card in it
I think they knew

>>95892171
>yeah I spent $200+ on poorly constructed decks when I won't even use a fraction of the cards
Perhaps reddit is more to your taste?

>>95892147
The solution is to proxy. And if you want to use UB art, that's fine. If you want to use other art, that's fine too.

>>95892206
thanks, your opinion will be filed in the same location as mine.

>>95892257
You've sold me anon, can you link me a turbo fog YGO deck list to try the game out?

>>95892251
You either dont rate your own opinion very highly or you hold anon in high regard which is it here?

>>95892269
he holds my opinion in the same regard as I hold his.

If I'm making a deck that's all 1 drops or all 2 drops as a jok- I mean a legitimate mechanical theme, how many lands can I go down to?

>>95892394
20 lands

>>95892257
>cards don't become useless a year after they come out
LMAO

>>95890035
if UB has a million haters, I am one of them
if UB has a thousand haters, I am one of them
if UB has one hater, it's me
if UB has no haters, it's because I no longer exist

>>95892450
Cringe

>>95890035
forever, personally. it's fun

>>95892257
The 24 garnets line always kills me

>>95892461

If I overload Mizzix's Mastery and the first spells to resolve are Circle of Power/Cornered by Black Mages, do the wizards start pinging on every other spell resolving, or do they need to "see" the spells being cast to work? In case there are some board wipes in there, do they ping after every spell or ping at the end of the stack?

>>95890035
>noooo, you must be quiet and let me enjoy thing!
>how can I enjoy thing if you don't enjoy thing!!!
>I NEED YOUR APPROVAL AAHHHH
Woman behavior.

>>95892552
Shakespeare quotes and Ali baba cards are worse

>>95892550
>whenever you cast
Just your head dipshit FF tourist

>>95888655
We've gotten 11 fucking commander decks this year with 2 more coming and probably more with avatar how many do you need?

>>95892563
No cause ultimately just words on cards. And its worse to say you dont wanna do stuff like that and then make it half your business model, no scruples

>>95892550
they need to see the "cast"
mizzix's mastery casts them all at once and they start resolving. the tokens enter and see a bunch of spells resolving but nothing being cast.
if you had any before you cast mizzix's mastery, they see mastery being cast, plus all of those spell copies being cast.

>>95892586
Ali baba isn't just words on a card, newfag tourist.

>>95892595
>you may CAST the copies
please learn how to read before trying to explain interactions

>>95892574
My guess is that he meant to write 2026 and wrote 2025 by accident.

>>95892563
Actually that's soulful as fuck. If you can't see the difference between a quote from Frankenstein and Cloud Strife you're a consumer.

>>95892596
Everyone knows about Arabian nights anon you cant turn this cause if you weren't a tourist you would know they explicitly stated they don't want to do it. Then it turned into their business model, no scruples (like you)

>>95892614
It's not at all. Keep seething though

I did it, i got my deck ready to play tomorrow
I sure hope i can actually find some people to play with hahahahaha

>>95892606
You may choose to cast them while the spell is resolving, if so you create the copy. If you dont choose at the moment you cant choose to later.

>>95891508
The tyranids mechanics are pretty much dollar general slivers with counters. Of course they could have did populate or something instead but it was important for them to have the tyranid creature type. The thing that bugs me is 40k gets unique creature types, spiderman gets unique creature types but espers are elementals

Yeah i choose creature type 'Time'

>>95892606
>The copies are created and cast during the resolution of Mizzix's Mastery. You can't wait to cast them later in the turn. Timing restrictions based on the copy's type are ignored. Other restrictions (such as "Cast [this spell] only during combat") are not.
on resolution the copies are all put on the stack (from exile). you can't make them later, you don't line up your exiled cards and pick and choose one at a time. they all go in the stack. you can cast instants and activate abilities as they resolve as priority is passed around, and triggers are put on the stack as normal, but the casting of the copies happens as part of the effect of -and thus during the resolution of- mizzix's mastery.
similarly, if someone spends life to cast gut shot or something, you can't flash in -is boromir the only effect that does this? I swear there was another one- boromir onto the battlefield and still have him counter it, because the spell was already cast.

I wish this card wasn't banned in commander or at the very least, I hope wizards prints a new card not as busted but similar effect.

>>95891382
>>95891161
give me a control stealing blue commander decklist right NOW

>>95892635
Technically, you create the copies regardless. It's just that they're in exile, and which makes them uncastable (outside of effects that state otherwise, like Mizzix's Mastery), AND makes them vanish into the aether as a state-based action (so even a separate effect that lets you cast stuff from exile wouldn't let you cast them, because they'd disappear before you got priority). This could theoretically come up if there was an effect that cared about cards entering exile, for example.

>>95892775
gonti hidden commander guile

>>95892775
literally just >>95891376
Bonus points if you include all the shit that lets you untap target creature/permanent so you can just tap/untap/tap/untap/tap her every turn to wipe everything/anything you want

>>95892727
You can always just ask to play it

Love this lil nigga

>>95892257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW65rDP-5-M
OH NO NO NO

>>95892775
Don Andres is the typical choice for "steal everything". But Empress Galina is the true blue "your property is my property" thief commander.

How many trannies come to your LGS nights and ruin the whole vibe and make themselves the center of attention?
Ours has two.
We have 1 actual female as well but shes a dyke.

>>95892727
Why? Simic has no shortage of commanders that let you ramp and draw cards just for picking your nose.

>>95892840
>hexproof
>physical arrows are bouncing off him

>>95892863
redesign Nadu to be a based card is what im asking
even different colors i dont care.
i dont want Nadu to be the "lmao banned from everything" bird.

>>95892861
I gotta find a new LGS..it's getting bad

>>95892727

>>95892878
do tell?

>>95892684
How is ravenous like slivers at all?

>>95892844
>they tweak some rules on a funsies, casual event
>"""""influencers""""" say the entire game is dying and half the player base is abandoning the game
Oh my god why do people listen to these obnoxious fuckheads?

>>95892899
they changed legacy card effects to use modernized ruling and RUINED the entire purpose of the event, to get away from modern yugioh.
lmfao. imagine if wizards did this.

>>95892879
I love this little bird like you don't even know

>>95892914
>>95892879
whats so good about it?
>half as good as Nadu
>hardly any bird support
its trash, unless?

>>95892923
You're bad that card is absolutely loaded

>>95892911
You mean what they regularly do in every format?

>>95892923
It works great as a landfall deck, especially all the +1/+1 counter stuff
>create a ton of bird tokens, attack
>reveal the top like 15 cards, get all those lands/landfall triggers

>>95892923
What's so good about getting a shitload of landfall triggers every turn??? Homie is you for real?

>>95892968
>>95892956
decklist?

>>95892976
holy shit search for them yourself. i'm not gonna fucking spoonfeed you, dipshit

>>95892976
Birds. Interaction. Landfall, card draw optional. Lands, ~40 you wanna be consistently getting 2-3 once you're swinging big.
Scryfall advanced for all your needs

>>95892887
Don't most of the tyranid creatures give each other keywords or +1/+1 counters?

>>95892861
Live near portland and there's nothing that isn't infested with them. The average guy(and especially the occasional woman) are usually just putting up with it and walking on eggshells to not get banned. If you're 1 on 1 and willing to say something first then the real opinions start coming out.
>>95891481
>Eventually
Pox Walkers is already the most expensive card on MTGO and Slicer is second.

>>95893034
Why dont you look instead of making dumb claims you clearly know nothing about
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=type%3Atyranid+%28game%3Apaper%29

>>95893034
A couple do but the majority of them just give themselves counters or have their own weird little effects.

>>95893042
I live in Portland and I straight up never see this shit. Stop spreading bullshit

>>95893045
Looks like they do exactly as i claim they do, give each other keywords and counters. Why deliver your own L to me?

>>95893065
Said near Portland, maybe the actual city is better, but everything in Beaverton I've been to is infested.

>build new deck
>slightly too expensive to be one of my budget decks
>plays slightly too slowly
>don't like it

>>95893074
There's like 4 or 5 out of 37 that have a sliver-esque effect (like pic related)

>>95893074
In alphabetical order:
Aberrant- removal
Acolyte - removal
Atalan - ramp
Biophagus - ramp
Broodlord - counters (nothing to do with slivers)
Clamavus - buffs creatures with +1/+1 counters, nothing to do with slivers, no mention of creature type.
Deathleaper - creatures you control, same as above No care about creature type
Exocrine - damage
Gargoyle flock - tokens
Genestealer 1 - combat shenanigans
Genestealer 2 - takes opponents creatures
Ghyrson - damage
Haruspex - mana, stomp
Heirophant - stompy
Hormagaunt - creature
Lictor - creature + token
Manus- copies spells
Malanthrope - gravehate
Mawloc - removal
Nexus - ramp???
Old one eye - gives any creature you control (not just slivers/tyranids) trample
Purestrain - ramp
Ravener - goads
Screamer - damage
Sporocyst - ramp
Termagant - tokens
Tervigon - tokens
Red terror - growing threat creature
Swarmlord - card draw
Toxicrene - mana
Trygon - counters, unblockable
Harrison - tokens
Prime - other creatures (again not just slivers or tyranids) evolve
Tyrant guard - protection
Venomthrope - crwature
Winged - other creatures with counters (not just tyranids or slivers, specifically with counters) get buffed
Zoanthrope - damage

So of the 37 tyranid cards I think 5 buff creatures, specifically any you control. So no you are entirely incorrect and even after having the proof hand delivered to you you continue to be dishonest. You should seek suicide

>>95893101
>sliver-esque effect
isn't that just abzan's subtheme from khans

>>95893101
Except this isn't, and none of them are, remotely sliver-esque. Sliver buffs say SLIVERS GET, notably ALL slivers, including your opponents and notably not your non sliver creatures. Is this also a sliver card? These are just buffs, not even lord effects cause again, there is no type specified.

Also slivers have 3 cards that care about +1/+1 counters. Counters are decidedly not a very sliver thing since their very idea is they evolve to be new. They dont need a flying counter, they HAVE flying.

>>95893181
>say SLIVERS GET, notably ALL slivers, including your opponents
Must be nice living in 2010

>>95891907
>WotC still hasn't committed to reprinting non-SL cards
They never even committed to reprinting SL cards. They said they were going to do it for a single specific drop, then decided to do it for two other drops too. For some reason people interpreted this as them promising to do it for every mechanically unique UB secret lair drop, with several people even claiming they "broke a promise" to print UW versions of every UB card they'd ever print.

>>95893241
Well I'll fucking be i even own this card. Point largely still stands though, slivers specifically care about slivers. These are just Anthem effects

Fuck bros is everything just slivers?

>>95893276
core set 2014 had "you control" slivers that look like Predator rather than sickle arm snake things.

>>95893302
This is really bugging me slivers are just a tribe with more anthem effects than others now
>now

Who would you rather play against

>>95893583
Parnesse 100%

>>95893583
Trix commanders are almost never fun, but I don't understand what Parnesse actually does.
She could be kind of interesting if the second line said Cast, but the fact that you have to copy a spell for her to do anything, and that thing is giving optional copies of spells to opponents, makes her seem pretty awful.

>>95893583
Parnesse

>>95893741
>parnesse

im not sure either. She doesn't even give you something for giving away the spell. She feels like a much worse 12th doctor, if your goal is to be group-hug and give away spells.

>>95893783
>>95893741
Only thing she "gives you" is a disincentive for the opponent to target your stuff. Sometimes at a political table that's enough.

I think it's a neat card but she seems pretty over costed

>>95888616 (OP)
>TQ: What's your most hated type of deck?
Any deck that goes on absurdly long turns of 5+ minutes.

>>95888751
yeah but I already cast worldfire with 2 eldrazi on suspend.

>>95889072
Ones that are actually possible. Most are stupidly difficult to trigger

>>95890104
lmao based

>mostly play online
>make a fool of myself trying to juggle triggers on my turn when I play in paper
>deck is pretty low power, especially compared to the local meta, so people are kind enough to leave my board alone to some extent
>this means I end up with a bunch of different engines on the field and trip over myself getting everything correctly
>everyone else is fine with it but it makes me feel embarrassed
It sucks bros.

>>95893783
Well giving away spells is sometimes strategically advantageous in a FFA game, even if you don't necessarily "get" anything. Giving an opponent a doom blade to blow up another opponents stuff is good for both of you, even giving an opponent cards or a tutor can sometimes be helpful.
5 mana for giving away a copy once on your turn would be an underpowered but fun politics commander, but as a payoff for jumping through the hoop of copying spells it's kind of baffling.
She does have the upside of not being unbearably cringe though.
>>95893807
I'm not sure how much anyone actually cares about 4 life ward outside of timmy just blowing his swords to plowshares to curve out. If you've got a thousand year storm or something, an extra 4 life isn't factoring into anyone's decision to get rid of it.

>>95890138
>mortal kombat is funkopop
>dead by daylight is funkopop

>>95893870
People generally just use Twelfth Doctor to make people cast pacts

>>95893866
Have you tried goldfishing your deck? Both online and in paper. I don't know anything about cuhrayzee loops and doing artifact shenanigans, but basic triggers should be fine, non?
If it helps, for my jund graveyard deck, whenever I play Living Death or any mass reanimation, I just lay down the cards in the order I'm resolving their triggers in. Whenever that triggers another card, I just move that card to the front of my laid-down order. Won't work for everything, but it's worked fine thus far for me.
I ask the table if I should be meticulous about my explanations what things do, or if I should just summarize the effects and resolve them one by one.

>>95893875
I know, crazy right? Next thing you know this guy is going to be saying Fortnite and Call of Duty are funkpop.

I'm new (this is my second ever deck) and I'm wanting feedback on the composition of my budget Volrath deck. Things like the ratio of high mana cards to low, too many lands/not enough, etc. etc. The goal of the deck is to focus on voltron, but with light reanimation. I feel I need some better artifacts for voltron but most of the badass ones are stupidly expensive (Shadowspear, Sword of Light and Shadow). Any thoughts?

>>95893951
Post a link to moxfield or archideck you'll get more replies

>>95893951
>Things like the ratio of high mana cards to low
Put it in a deck building website and look at the mana curve. Post that link, never just paste an image of a deck, absolutely no one is going to manually look up your cards

>>95893959
>>95893965
gotcha, here's the moxfield link. https://moxfield.com/decks/FFHODXDx5k2zJjtC8IO7wg

>>95893979
>monoblack
whew, lads

>>95890226
based.

>>95893951
>>95893979
Think about adding these

I just made a big choom, commanders for this feel?

>>95893979
You need more draw. Where's your phyrexian arena, war room, endless atlas? I would also try to fit in wayfarers bauble personally but only if you like it.
Command beacon would be good because volraths costs a lot.

Volrath is not very good but I think it's cool to build underbuilt and unpopular commanders to props to you bro. Why not some ways to sac him for fun and profit like rite of consumption or essence harvest

>>95893951
>>95893979
+1 Troll of Khazad-dûm
+4 other utility/MDFC lands, maybe more for your bad ones/swamps depending on whether or not you want to run coffers/expedition map
-5 spells

>>95894053
That would put bro at 43 lands...

>>95893870
>capaldi
>cringe

Heaven sent is the best episode of goddamn television in years.

>>95894088
Based af

>>95894064
Which is the correct number if you want to have 3 land opening hands and consistently hit your fourth land drop.
Troll synergizes with his reanimation/discard strategy, it's better than a lot of the cards he's already running for that effect.
Castle Lochwain and War Room can draw cards.
Takenuma can rebuy a creature.
Fell the Profane is a mediocre removal spell.
Cut the 5 worst spells in the deck for these and you significantly reduce the frequency of mulligans/mana screw and you probably still flood out less.

>>95894064
There are some psychos here who think 40-50 lands in non-land based decks should be the norm

>>95894006
>>95894053
Thank you guys
>>95894048
>Why not some ways to sac him for fun and profit like rite of consumption or essence harvest
Shit, that's really smart, I never thought of that. Thank you for the suggestions

>>95894064
>>95894117
Telling someone to play 43 lands is beyond fucking evil.
Enjoy 5 turns of dead draws lmao

Nice casual deck for commander tomorrow

>>95893583
i wish that one grixis sweatlord in our playgroup would lean more into chaotic fun of Parnesse, instead of just going full Value with picrel

I always like these very wacky decks and naturally Chaos would be right up my alley but from what I read it is quite despised. And for me it does not make sense to play these type of decks if it's not fun. So are there any wacky decks of chaotic nature that are actually fun for the party involved? Or just not disliked.

>>95894310
Very cool, swordtard.

>>95894338
Look man, people just dislike strategies that prevent others from being able to play the game.
>mill
>theft
>chaos
>stax
Although stax is becoming more tolerated if you avoid fucking with lands untapping.

People put a lot of time into building their decks, they only have a limited amount of time each week to play, and when they sit down they want to see their deck do the things it was designed to do. No one wants to sit down with the guy who says "actually none of you get to play your cards as intended, instead we shall be playing MY game! >:3"
Its unbelievably gay.
>inb4 but what about removal??????? that stops others playing the game!!!!
Removal is a mechanic in literally all decks. If you choose to play mill, or theft, or chaos, it's a pretty good bet that nobody else even has a single fucking card of that type in their decks, let alone having built a whole deck around it.

>>95894344
Wrong continent I'm afraid.
I have no idea why it's so much more in ameribucks than eurodollars

>>95894329
>>95894338
You two should talk

>>95894338
>So are there any wacky decks of chaotic nature that are actually fun for the party involved?
Play chaos with your own deck instead of others. Cascade, discover, and playing things off the top.

>>95894124
>>95894224
It's not psycho or evil, it's just math you fucking troglodytes. I understand it might not be applicaple to your games where you're poorly shuffling and your group lets you mulligan six times, but 41-43 is the correct number for battlecruiser decks.
Duel commander lists typically run 38-41 lands not counting outliers like Rog or Azusa, these are highly interactive, low to the ground, legacy style decks packed with cheap interaction and often running cantrips. These are decks that can happily keep a 2 land opener and win games without ever hitting a third. This is also a 1v1 format where the risk of flood and screw need to be weighed against each other equally. If this describes your list then 38 lands is the correct number to be running.
If your commander costs 5+ mana, your average CMC is 3+, and you're playing casual games that go past turn 8, you should be running 43. And that's just assuming you weigh flood/screw equally, the reality is that flood is hardly a thing in casual commander where you're able to recast your value generating commander and your deck has a bunch of 5+ cmc cards. And even still, the player that "floods" can still potentially cast a topdeck Tooth and Nail or an Expropriate or something and come back from it, but missing your third or fourth land often means you're just out of the running for what might be an hour+ long game.
I don't even understand the aversion to running at least 40 when there are so many insane utility lands these days. MDFCs, Channel Lands, Landcyclers, Talon Gates, Urza's Saga, Horizon of Progress, Field of the Dead, Expedition map, and a whole bunch of nuts color specific ones. There are people who will tell you with a straight face they can't run Lorien Revealed over some shitty card in their deck because they'll "flood out bro,"

Quick question, I don't know how to search this, but if I have a commander that transforms like Zenos. If I transform it and it then dies, can it only return to the command zone as Zenos or can I return it there as Shinryu? I'm pretty sure it only returns as Zenos but I wasn't sure.

>>95894489
>If I transform it and it then dies, can it only return to the command zone as Zenos or can I return it there as Shinryu?
Anytime a DFC changes zones, it turns back into the top/front side. So it'll transform back into Zenos

>>95894464
Holy yap

>>95894464
>It's not psycho or evil, it's just math you fucking troglodytes.
2 land opening hand is more than enough. You have 3 draws to get more land and there are 2 mana draws and searches for land even in white

If your deck has ways to gain card advantage, how many lands are on top of your deck does not matter as much.
If you cram a deck with 43 lands (and it's not a landfall deck), even just a few of those on top makes your turns completely dead.

>>95894464
>its not psycho or evil its just math
>proceeds to go on a multi paragraph rant with the zeal only a religious fanatic could have
You're evil. Your numbers are meaningless. Maybe 5% of my games i dont have 4 lands by turn 4

Kefka lists that aren't just waste not engines?

>our friend that only plays espir control is surprised we dont want to play with him

>>95894370
Mill doesn't prevent you from playing your deck. Some decks even do better with more gas in the graveyard. It just filters brainlets because "i was gonna draw that" is textbook hindsight bias.

Say you're running a big stompy green deck with 8 mana coming down at the start of your turn. You really want your Craterhoof Behemoth, as the board has no answers to it and lets just ballpark you having 71 cards left in your deck; but I'm gonna hit you with the aptly named Predict on your upkeep, milling you for 1 naming Craterhoof. There are three possible worlds that result from this:
The first world is your draw for turn was Craterhoof, it goes to the graveyard and I draw two cards because I'm a supergenius.
The second world, is your draw for turn wasn't Craterhoof and you draw a completely different card. It is possible that this card could win you the game this turn, but we're going to assume it's just going to be a solid play.
The third world is that your draw for turn was not Craterhoof, until I milled off your 'next' card and you drew it on your turn.

The odds of the first world occurring, all other things equal, is 1 in 71.
The odds of the second world occurring, all other things equal is 68 in 70.
The odds of the final world occurring, all other things equal is 1 in 70.

For each additional card milled the first world becomes more likely, but you'll notice something odd. Lets Archive Trap you:

The odds of the first world becomes 13 in 71.
The odds of the second world becomes 57 in 58.
The odds of the final world become 1 in 58.

Notice that while the odds of milling the Crater went up, so too did the odds of drawing it from the remaining cards. In fact the odds of milling it went up from 1.4% to a whopping 18.3%, but the odds of drawing it went from 1.4% to 1.7%. You have roughly a 4 in 5 chance of mill actually making that win more likely. This is pretending a world where cards cannot be recurred from the graveyard.

>>95894625
I will go on. These worlds pretend that there is no way to get the Craterhoof back onto the board that turn, which is frankly insane. For 2 mana alone as standalone cards in Golgari you have:
Animate Dead
Life//Death
Persist
Soul Exchange

And we began with the premise of hard casting it. It's not worth me listing all the reanimation effects that could all slam that fucker into play because it didn't get sent to the shadow realm, just the second hand some players have.

>>95894376
nta but I don't know what's wrong with your pricing but mine only halves when going from usd valuation to euro valuation

>>95894625
>mill doesn't prevent you from playing your deck
Yes it does. The fact youre building around it is you acknowledging that it does and seeking to alleviate it.
>hindsight bias
Is not even remotely relevant here.
Mill is a brainlet filter thats for sure just not in the way you think. It filters midwits who wanna seem smart and above the objective emotional impact of something.
>it could've been a huge card
True but it was a specific card.
>now you're close to the card you want/need/i think you should be happy about
Maybe? Maybe not.

>>95888616 (OP)
IRL, Counters-focused decks. It always seems like they never bring enough counters and struggle to accurately represent what's on what. Even worse when they're pumping out creature tokens too

>>95894664
Oh don't get me wrong, losing your wincon a fifth of the time must suck. It's a good thing decks are 100 cards; you surely didn't put only one card in your deck that can win?

What about that funny thing off to the side, the 'commander' is it? Check it out, Mimeoplasm comes in as a copy of Craterhoof with who gives a fuck number of counters, we're beating you to death with X X+1/X+1 flying insect tokens.

Pretty sure old school Mimeo is a bit powercrept too.

>>95894729
This isnt a response to anything I said.

>>95894513
Holy zoom
>>95894516
A 2 lander will brick on its 4th land half the time in a 38 land deck. A 2 lander with a night's whisper will still brick a quarter of the time. If this is acceptable for your deck then run 38, but I would not feel comfortable keeping a 2 lander playing the deck in question.
>If your deck has ways to gain card advantage, how many lands are on top of your deck does not matter as much.
Then run card advantage? You should be already.
Most "flooding" I see is from 38 land 10 signet decks that speedrun out their commander into removal and then have nothing to do. If they had just played 43 lands and early plays that do things(Dark Confidant, Esper Sentinel, Ragavan, Sylvan Library, Faerie Mastermind) they'd have a similar amount of mana by turns 6-8 but way more cards/board presence.
>>95894575
>works for me
Go spectate some modo commander lobbies where someone concedes by t4 in 100% of games because 38 lands "works for them".

>>95894744
If you don't understand it, find an adult to read it to you.

>>95894754
>go change your behaviour off of other people's experience
This sounds incredibly cucked and your proselytizing only makes you seem more religious. You are EVIL!
>dont believe me? Just listen to these testimonies!!

>oh no it's the card I need
>staring at me from my graveyard
>my only chance to win, mocking me
>might as well just scoop now
>waste of an hour
>i need to make sure everyone knows how cancerous this is
anyways

>>95894464
What I'm getting out of your math is not that people at commander tables need to be running more lands, it's that they need to be running more draw and ramp.

For a deck that's throwing away cards especially they need more gas in hand, Not only that this dude is recurring mana producing creatures like nobody's business.

He could just add one of these new uncommons and be drowning in cards. I'm sure there's better choices, but literally a fucking 25c uncommon.

>>95894625
>Mill doesn't prevent you from playing your deck. Some decks even do better with more gas in the graveyard.
Key word """some"""
Mill is a disruptive strategy, that's why you're playing it. Don't be a fag and act like that isn't the point.

Even decks that are running enough recovery for it to matter, it will still cost them more to recover from grave than it cost you to put things there in the first place.
Literally did not read any of your schizo babble after the first line.

>>95894785
It wasn't hard to understand anon. It simply does not relate meaningfully to what I said.

>>95894875
I play it because it's how my wife wins games without running Thoracle or Lab Maniac.

I binned a discard deck idea because the idea of not having cards to play is no fun, but unless you're fishing for a single card in your deck mill doesn't even give you less cards to play until you're drawing air.

>>95894754
>A 2 lander will brick on its 4th land half the time in a 38 land deck.
I'm going to say again, you are not accounting for card advantage. Until you do this conversation is entirely pointless.

>play monowhite
>worst card draw and ramp in the game
>open with 2 plains, Helpful Hunter, Knight of the White Orchid
>that's 3 start of turn draws before you're manascrewed
>a 4th draw if you play Helpful Hunter turn 2
>or a guaranteed 3rd land if you play Knight of the White Orchid turn, which itself buys you a 4th draw before you're mana screwed
That's not a crazy opening hand, it completely ignores that the other 3 cards in your hand could also be card advantage cards, and it doesn't require $20 cards like Land Tax.

Now consider you do something retarded like put 43 lands in your deck. If you open with 3 as you're so desperate to do, if the top 3 cards of your deck are land, you are simply fucked. You don't get to play anything, you don't draw into more card advantage. You have just flooded yourself for no reason.
Even worse if you have Helpful Hunter and Knight of the White Orchid like above.
Congrats, you have plenty of land and nothing to fucking do with it. Now what?

>>95894908
>unless you're fishing for a single card in your deck mill doesn't even give you less cards to play until you're drawing air.
The classic """"you might never have drawn that card!!!!"
We've been over this so many times in these threads. If you truly thought that mattered, you would run pic related in ever deck
>an extra free mulligan any time you draw it before the game starts
>massively increases the odds of starting with the combo pieces you want
>"but if I draw it later in the game its useless!!!"
But most games you might never draw it, right? :)

>>95894849
But you don't understand, anon. He can't win if he doesn't have his whole deck to maybe play with, he'll lose if he can't play a card 30 cards from the top. OH WHAT A CRUEL WORLD WE LIVE IN BECAUSE OF MILL

>>95894932
What do you mean? I don't run decks that require such narrow combos, so I don't need more than a single mulligan. Sometimes 2 if it's a really unplayable all-land hand.

Also the mathematical odds of getting that in hand to use is is small enough that it's better to just run a better mana rock. It'd be a banger for some commanders though:

>>95893875
correct

>>95894969
Mill is garbage. It would make no difference if it existed or not

>>95894849
>I always have it
>>95894969
Where did I say I need every card in my deck to win? I believe I said:
>Mill is a disruptive strategy, that's why you're playing it. Don't be a fag and act like that isn't the point.
>Even decks that are running enough recovery for it to matter, it will still cost them more to recover from grave than it cost you to put things there in the first place.

>>95895030
If you ran tutors, recursion, draw or filters you wouldn't be struggling so much. Barring that creating a well rounded deck that can perform with a variety of permutations of opening hands and draws is an important part of playing in a singleton format.

Mill's only crime is that it makes it clear how bad some of your cards are because you see the ones you actually wanted in the graveyard. If it makes you a better deckbuilder I'll deck you out every single time.

>>95895030
>Mill is a disruptive strategy
Disruptive to whom? It fucks with surveil and scry but that's pretty much it. Ironically mill's main prey are self mill decks that are doing half of mill's work for free. Even then it's a double edged sword if you don't find graveyard hate to stop whatever they're setting up.

>making rough draft, not even paying attention to mana cost, just choosing cards
>128 cards, time for edits
>that mana curve
Damn, son.

>>95895076
>If you ran tutors, recursion, draw or filters you wouldn't be struggling so much.
You milled them bro. Now what?
Again, I'm not saying mill is a good way to win, I am saying it is disruptive and that the disruption is intentional.
I have no fucking idea why millfags have to go so far out of their way to pretend it isn't.
>>95895097
>>Mill is a disruptive strategy
>Disruptive to whom? It

Pic related
>oopsie haha I just milled you for on average at least 10 cards, plus however mana lands were in the mix haha all for 3 mana haha
>disruptive what mean disruptive? it's only 1/10 of your deck!!!!
Just neck yourself if this is how you want to spend your time shitposting on this site.

>>95895137
How the fuck have you managed to find 11 1 mana cards you want to run? Unless I'm playing cantrips I don't usually have more than 6-8 1 mana cards

>>95895155
>Mill haters unironically think cards in their library are a valuable resource

>>95895169
>you might never have drawn it!

>>95895155
This card disrupts nothing. Your hand is the same and your board is unaffected. They paid 3 mana for something that's given them no immediate positive benefit. You might be the worst player I've ever seen in these threads and that's a fucking achievement.

>>95895162
It's 15 cards. The majority of them are 1 cost instants that give a creature hexproof/indestructible/"when this creature dies, bring it back" until end of turn, because of how incredibly removal heavy my pod is. I either run a shitload of these in every deck or my commander will never be out for more than 1 turn. The only 1-drop noninstants are Speaker of the Heavens, Segovian Angel, Thrull Parasite, and Slagwurm Armor

>>95895180
>1 tenth of the cards in your deck are in the grave, possibly even including the cards you would use to remove them, but how does this affect your strategy personally????
Either impressive bait or literally the stupidest person alive. I don't care to find out which. Good day.

if you play a mill deck, I'm playing a graveyard deck, simple as

If you play a graveyard deck, I'm playing a hatebears deck, simple as

>>95894917
My post mentioned the odds with a Night's Whisper in the opener, and it goes both ways. Card draw helps you find action in your 43 land deck the same way it helps you find lands in a 38 card one, the difference is the 43 land deck can reliably cast it's 3+ mana card draw.
>Now consider you do something retarded like put 43 lands in your deck. If you open with 3 as you're so desperate to do, if the top 3 cards of your deck are land, you are simply fucked. You don't get to play anything, you don't draw into more card advantage. You have just flooded yourself for no reason.
The odds of this are pretty low, you're 20% to hit 3 lands in the top 4 and 3% to hit 4 if you keep a 3 lander in a 43 land deck. And if you do, is it really that catastrophic? You have 4 spells and a commander to play already, as long as those are actual spells and not mana rocks you're probably fine, but missing a fourth land probably puts you out of the game and is way more likely keeping 2 in a 38 land deck.
>>95895076
>tutors
Tutors are the one reason to hate mill, if you hit someone's Shockland with your mill then suddenly their fetchlands are fucked.

>>95895202
You described something that's a positive for nearly 90% of EDH decks.

why do opponents just ignore Land Tax

>>95895169
Huh? Of course they are

>playing Ghen with a mill deck at the table
>having a great time
>he says I'm doing to well and he needs to bojuka bog me
>no mana for elixir of immortality which I actually had out at the time
>despair
>on my turn discard War in Heaven, Ghen it back, immediately start manipulating counters and grind out a win anyway
mill is fine whatever

>>95895246
If all your shocks go to the graveyard search a basic. It's not my job to get you the mana you need.

>LIke the flavor of artifacts
>Mechanically they just don't do it for me most of the time since it's just cheating mana instead of doing cool stuff with the "tap to do X" mechanic.
There's gotta be something there for me but I'm too shit at searching cards up with Scryfall.

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=usd&q=%28a%3AAlaynaDanner+or+a%3AAlessandraPisano+or+a%3AAlexisZiritt+or+a%3ABranwyn+or+a%3ARadeck+or+a%3AAndrewMar+or+a%3ABenHill+or+a%3ABrigitteRoka+or+a%3ABruceBrenneise+or+a%3AChrisRahn+or+a%3AChrisSeaman+or+a%3AStommel+or+a%3ACrystalSully+or+a%3ASheppard+or+a%3AFrazier+or+a%3ACava+or+a%3ADouglasShuler+or+a%3ADrewTucker+or+a%3AKyttanen+or+a%3ADeschamps+or+a%3AEricWilkerson+or+a%3AGaboleps+or+a%3ABousema+or+a%3AJasonEngle+or+a%3ALaubenstein+or+a%3AJulianKok+or+a%3AJustineJones+or+a%3AKaiCarpenter+or+a%3AFoglio+or+a%3AYanner+or+a%3ALucasGraciano+or+a%3AMarkPoole+or+a%3AMarkTedin+or+a%3AMarkoManev+or+a%3AFa%C4%8Dkov%C3%A1+or+a%3AMikeBurns+or+a%3APesic+or+a%3A%C4%86eran+or+a%3AMirandaMeeks+or+a%3AOlenaRichards+or+a%3APhilStone+or+a%3APINDURSKI+or+a%3APuffygator+or+a%3ARandyGallegos+or+a%3ARebeccaGuay+or+a%3ARichardKaneFerguson+or+a%3ARKPost+or+a%3ARyanPancoast+or+a%3ASarahFinnigan+or+a%3ASchmandrewART+or+a%3AScottMFischer+or+a%3AGlushakov+or+a%3AArgyle+or+a%3ASvetlin+or+a%3AThomasBaxa+or+a%3AVincentProce+or+a%3AWizardofBarge+or+a%3AZaraAlfonso+or+a%3AAlexBrock+or+a%3ADarrenTan+or+a%3AForrestImel%29+game%3Apaper+%40%40&unique=cards

Garbo link but here's all the cards for artists that'll be at magiccon

>>95895407
>page 1 is already phil foglio, ugly secret lairs, and an mlp
grim

>>95895428
It's sorted by price

>>95895234
>>95895244
And I'll play Godo

>>95895155
This is the only one I hate because it ruins my Kozilek and Gaea’s Blessing.

how do you mansplain, maipulate, manwhore, and possibly manslaughter your pods, /edhg/?

I am no longer allowed to play my Kadena Morph deck

>>95895578
kill yourself

These two cards are much more important for token decks than the token doubler cards are.

>>95895578
i did the job my buddy wouldn't and repeatedly called out his wife's inability to access targets, or to hold an instant/flash card beyond one main phase. it annoyed her for a while, but eventually she listened and got better. now she wins a decent amount of the time. you're welcome, wife of my friend

>>95895640
but I'm in Mardu

>>95895578
I built decks with every mechanic my friends use too, so I can remind them of their triggers better.

>>95895640
My Jaheera deck agrees

>>95895640
you forgot this for the holy trinity

>>95894224
Honestly I even think 38 is too much but he does have a high curve. I always run 36 unless I'm on lands matter

>>95895640
Token doublers are win more and I'm tired of pretending they're good.

>>95895890
that's why best girl is also best token doubler since she does other stuff too

>>95894849
>>95894969
Anti-mill people are unhinged

>>95895908
I like the idea of this but planeswalkers never seem to work out for me. The fact that they can get attacked directly is such a huge detriment and now there are even cards that can Target them directly. I feel like I'm lucky if they last a whole round

>>95895872
>trinity
what about jaheira

rate my wipes deck

>>95895956
based/based

>>95895890
I think it depends strongly on the deck, and the token doubler. Actually it's a short enough list we could cover it:

Adrix and Nev, Twincasters is acceptable with some built in protection. I personally wouldn't run them as commander, but the fact you can isn't bad.
Anointed Procession isn't great in my mind; it'll hit on enchantress and other effects, but a 3W that doesn't even give me a body is a hard ask on curve.
Doubling Season is similar in that respect with a 4G pricetag. If you were going to cheat out Anointed, it's nice to get the extra effect though.
Elspeth, Storm Slayer makes me seeth for 3WW. Onboard generation, free +1/+1s and removal all together is obviously going to be efficient. No further remarks.
Kaya, Geist Hunter is cheap and that's probably the best I can say for her. Funny interaction with Fynn, The Fangbearer in Abzan.
Mondrak slaps in a 4/4 body that's easy to make indestructible. Dies to exile removal. No further notes.
Ojer Taq is expensive, but a 6/6 blocker and triples is cooking some. You can try to make a case for turning into a mana rock when he explodes. It's not a great case.
Parallel Evolution actually makes the fucking tokens in spite of being fucking hilariously expensive. Only bad in comparison.
Parallel Lives is just Green Anointed Procession.
Primal Vigor is just Green Doubling Seas- wait a second.
Rhys is asymmetrical Parallel Evolution on an elf for one more mana. That's surprisingly not bad actually.
Second Harvest is Parallel Evolution at instant speed that isn't symmetrical. There's really little else that can be said about it, it sells itself.

TL;DR: Elspeth is fucking cracked and Second Harvest can turn a good round into a win. Mondrak gets an honorable mention for a mix of cost effectiveness and flexibility with Twincasters doing his shit in simic which is also pretty alright. Rhys is Rhys.

>>95895640
yes we all know token doublers are trash

>>95895988
>Parallel Lives is just Green Anointed Procession
I think you might be looking at the list backwards.

>>95896029
That was the joke. List was in newest first order I think.

>>95895988
what about ocelot pride?

>guy in pod wins the first 3 games of the night in a row
>manage to take him out in the fourth game with a voltron kill before dying to a bunch of saprolings
>he pulls me aside at the end of the game to tell me that my deck might be an inappropriate level for the playgroup and I should dial it back a bit so I'm not pubstomping

>>95895890
Maybe in cedh where 4 mana is considered prohibitively high. In games that go 6 turns or more, several dozen 4/4 beasts are enough to win (yes, via combat damage which is common in casual games)

>>95896127
sprinkle that salt on your fries and enjoy them, mate

>>95896061
I guess that one counts too. It costs W. Excellent cat. No additional remarks.

>>95896137
4 is still a lot at a casual table to be doing nothing else when it comes down, which is why I gave better marks to the ones with bodies. If you're leaning very wide with a commander that vomits out tokens then running a lot of these together is good civilization, but the cheaper ones definitely should probably go in first.

Special mention in decks with WB: some doublers and repeatable sac outlets will take an okay deck and shoot it into space.

>>95896137
The problem that I have is that I feel like a token strategy that relies on doublers is not a very good deck. So you have to build your deck to be able to function even if you don't draw your doublers.
But if your deck can function without the doublers then you don't need the doublers at all do you?

It's not that they're bad, provided that they can come down and survive the round and you can get a significant amount of use out of them. But it's the definition of win more. All that it does is propel an already strong position or token engine. They do nothing on their own ( except elspeth), so ironically including more of them doesn't really make your deck stronger at all. Instead you need zero to one. Most of the time I just choose zero, especially given their monetary cost

>>95896226
token doublers help you bring back your board after a wipe. exponential growth is a wincon in itself that synergizes with all of your other wincons.

>>95896226
>But if your deck can function without the doublers then you don't need the doublers at all do you?
No deck NEEDS a doubler but if your deck is built around doing something, doing 2x that something is probably pretty good.

But is he fun

>>95896127
A good deal of players are completely blind to their own deck's power. What was he playing? Were it lopsided games or were they mostly close?

I was told my deck wasn't bracket 3 but it meets all the criteria

so far so good here
i kinda want more jp cards so its hard to read stuff or know whats going on, make em use google lens to read how they loose

>>95896471
>"I play Peer into the Abyss Targeting You"
Option A: Players do not know what the card is.
"What does that do Anon?"
>"Guess! Teehee!"
"Don't be a fucking faggot anon."
Option B: Players do know what the card is.
"Okay cool. Mana Drain."
Special Bonus Option:
"Whats does it do Anon?"
>"Guess! Teehee!"
"If you don't know what it does you can't play it."

>>95891481
Yeah, they have to revisit Warhammer before shit just gets completely out of hand with these cards

>>95896471
So you're hoping to drag out every game you can? From my experience, every time someone has played a foreign language card someone at the table has to stop everything to look it up. Even if it's something obvious. And if your whole deck is like that you are going to make every game ridiculously slow. Which I can get if your goal is only having time for one game a night.

>>95896543
did you forget to take your meds today bro

>>95896571
Sorry I should explain the post to you since you don't seem to understand it.

Anon was describing acquiring more foreign language cards with the stated goal of forcing other players to translate them. I explained that there are three possible worlds that arise from this scenario. In the first world, where he is playing against new players or players unfamiliar with the cards, he would be asked to explain what the card does when he plays it, as is reasonable whenever taking any game action. In a second separate scenario, I proposed a world where players were experienced and would recognize the card by name or art, in which case play would continue at speed. In the final world, humorously described as the 'special bonus option', I suggested a world identical to the first, only where angle shooting over card text was unacceptable at the table. As a result, the response was to demand an explanation for the game actions being taken as they are being taken, or else anon would presumably be disqualified from playing in the pod. As EDH is a multiplayer game, social rules are an important element of play and intentionally aggrieving friends or strangers is a poor choice to undertake. I didn't mention that personally I find foreign language cards to be a cool addition to decks, but it is important to be clear about the board state during play since, after all, purposely obscuring public knowledge and angle shooting are frowned upon with good reason.

I hope this explanation has gone a way to resolving your misunderstanding. There is an additional ironic layer to this explanation as a demonstrative point of reference as to the need to be clear with the intentions and contents of any idea being conveyed if the goal is to maintain good relations with other members of a community or group. By all means though if you wanna be a classless bitch, you can go fuck yourself.

>>95896394
yes

>>95895277
What do you expect them to do, skip their land drops?
It's a $20-$40 card. Are you surprised it's powerful?

>>95896650
I'll take that as a yes.

I have a great debate for /edhg/
What is considered chaining multiple turns?

A:
>recurring the same extra turn spell from the graveyard multiple times

B:
>the above, and any two extra turn spells played back to back

C:
>all of the above, and time stretch/expropriate on their own

And a bonus question:
If the answer is B or C, what should a player with two extra turn spells in hand do?
>play them back to back, fuck it
>sandbag and act as if they have -1 card in hand for a full turn cycle
>build a deck with no more than one extra turn spell

>>95895908
The +0 on this card's good. Flying until your next turn makes it pretty easy to defend in combat.

I simply want a commander that can get a REALLY high number. Any number. Suggestions?

>>95896743
whjat

These sky pirates are one of my favorite characters in all the franchise but they are kinda weak. Is there anyway to build them to be tier 4 almost 5 ? or salty as fuck ?

>>95895887
I run 38 and only go to 36 if I'm being greedy

>>95896743
Might I suggest?

>>95896768
>have to pay for the extra combat
>ability only triggers once a turn
>creatures don't untap
>gruul
>requires vehicles
Settle for bracket 3.

What do you guys do about pods that get incredibly salty just from you running basic shit like board wipes and targeted removal? I'm ostensibly running a tier 2 deck but they just get so fucking surly whenever I don't let them start up their engines or pull off their game plan. Like a guy pouted all game because I put a pacifism on his Garnet or another moaned that he had wasted a whole evening on this game because I board wiped all his tokens after he spent five minutes popping off. I try to keep the relative salt score of my decks low but I feel like I'm always the one ruining everyone else's fun because I'm the only one holding answers half the time. Is this just too toxic of an environment? Do I go full group hug now and just let them twiddle their sticks for two hours?

>>95896885
genuine question where the fuck do you find people like this, even the newest of precon babies i play with aren't like this

>>95896893
>genuine question where the fuck do you find people like this
>>95896885
>I put a pacifism on his Garnet
>Garnet

UBpiggy who just wanted to play with his slop without interference.

>>95896750
I want a commander that can without aid of a specific combo and preferably NOT infinite; increase the player's life, a creature's power, toughness or counters of any kind to an absurdly high number.

Something like the new monogreen Tifa for example, exponentially increasing power.

>>95896870
I actually looked into Uril when I was checking out voltron commanders but don't think it can naturally or consistently get power/toughness as high as I'd like

>>95896893
We have a dad's group that gets together and plays once a week while our kids play together. We alternate Commander and other board games like 40K Boarding Patrol

>>95896931
there is a "high enough", you know

>>95896743
Vivi Betor, Tifa, etc. there's lots

>>95897024
has to be bait

Fuck it, I'm making a new thread. This one has slowed to a crawl and every other post is UB slop.

>>95896885
Nothing really. Some people are just like that. I don't know if it's because this is the only card game they play or they don't get that interaction is a thing but some people just don't like it one bit. I've been in similar situations myself. Often it feels like I was the only one who dedicated deck space to removal and everyone else just wanted to go off uninterrupted until one of them won so I end up having to hit a bit of everyone's board. The answer should never be group hug though. Those are the worst fucking thing. The way I've dealt with it is that sometimes you have to be the guy. The guy removing pieces, putting a target on yourself, and taking out players first chance you get. People will get salty anyway. Nothing for it.

Move out
>>95897046
>>95897046
>>95897046

>>95896885
Show them the retardation of their thinking. Go full greed pile. Fill your deck with broken value engines and outpace them or stax pieces that don't necessarily remove their stuff but ensures that they can't do anything with it. I had a type like this at my kitchen table, a wannabe solitaire player who refused to run removal and became a salty bitch about getting their shit taken out, so I just ran a basic bitch token deck with doublers and was putting 100+ creatures out on the board by turn 5 and eventually they accepted that interaction is a necessary part of the game and one the devs (usually) take into consideration when designing cards.

>>95896931
>exponentially increasing power
from my experience:
>Ziatora
>Orfeo
both exceptional power matters commanders that like to to combat damage and fling
>Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder
lets you play around with partners and various lifelink strategies

>>95896878
>creatures don't untap
the vehicle they crew has vigilance

>>95896671
no, I'm saying why do people pretend it basically doesn't exist when playing against it

>>95896471
But you cant do that anon. In fact players can straight up ignore your board if you are playing foreign cards without stating what they do, and having it memorized
>they can just Google!!!!
Not their job.

>>95896931
>mono green tifa
>not combo
Lol.

>>95888616 (OP)
>most hated type of deck
anything that takes ages upon ages to resolve though it usually depends on the player. I have yet to see anyfuckingone ever resolve some decks and their triggers quickly though, even when they're experienced with the deck. for instance, fuck planeswalker-focused decks.
>mfw the guy with the slowest resolve speed in known human history chooses to play the most complicated deck he could possibly conceive