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>Previous Thread:>>95884361

>TQ: Can Necromancers wear the flayed hauberk?

*dabs on Middenheim*

My metal chosen warriors arrived :3

>>95893693 (OP)
>so ass mad he makes it the TQ
Ok post the reddit link please obvious this was a traumatic experience for you

>>95893693 (OP)
>>TQ: Can Necromancers wear the flayed hauberk?
No.
"....may be worn by a wizard without penalty" means that a model wearing the flayed hauberk may cast and dispel without penalty. However since the Necromancer does not have access to a mundane suit of armour it may not equip a magical suit of armour as stated in the core rules:
>Core rulebook, pg.340: "Only a model that is already equipped with (or that has the option to be equipped with) armour, a shield or barding may purchase a magical equivalent."
The armour of Tarnus and Warpstone Armour are both examples of magical suits of armour that can be equipped by a model that cannot equip the mundane equivalent. This is because in both cases they explicitly state that.
>Skaven Legacy PDF, pg.21: "...which may be purchased and worn by a Wizard, even if they do not have the option to be equipped with armour, a shield or barding..."
>Forces of Fantasy, pg.75: "...which may be purchased and worn by an Imperial Wizard, even if they do not have the option to be equipped with armour, a shield or barding..."
If you still think that Necromancers can equip the flayed hauberk at this point then I don't know what to say.

>>95893779
Can't the necro get barding?

How are we feeling about Grand Cathay?

>>95893803
They would be able to purchase any magical barding options available

>>95893803
>equivalent
A necromancer could take a magical barding if any existed, but none do, otherwise by the same logic damsels could also take magical armour

>>95893779
So warden of saphery is a dead rule? It violates pg 340
Quit being a coward and link your reddit meltie.

>>95893806
Extremely bland for a warhammer china, like something a 3d print proxy army would cook up and that guy who shows up with unpainted m

>>95893693 (OP)
AVANTI PIGGALO!

>>95893814
What if they could but there's simply no armor to allow it? The same rule explicitly calls out exceptions

>>95893806
Model seem fine but the lore comes across as overly wanky.

>>95893806
65% as expected
25% disappointed
10% positively surprised

>>95893821
DAJE, PORCO, DAJE!

>>95893833
Yeah I feel like it's ok, good to see old world getting support. Suspicious of the sensitivity team, but all in all I could care less. Just 1 more army to trample underhoof(if anyone even gets them in my area).

>>95893806
Some things are cool, but fairly bland overall, would have been better if they were fleshed out in the 90s and filled with fu manchu warriors and Lo Pan sorcerers and shit, to me they just read like mists of pandaria but with humans instead

Seems like the jade soldier statline leaked
>WS4 BS4 S4 T3 W2 I5 A2 Ld9
Comes with a counts as magic, AP-1, multiple wounds (2) sword by default.

>>95893806
The fluff is sonic OC-tier onanism.

>>95893869
I saw your reddit comment man, i'm sorry the wu mao downvoted you like that

>>860
>2w
>I5
baits lower effort than last time

>>95893816

>>95893880
They know it'll be controversial but they really want to make them distinctive as an army. Four is the floor for WS, BS and S. The Shugengan lord actually has S6 T6

>>95893860
I see you've adjusted the shot from the last time you vomited forth your sorry excuses for concern trolling.

>>95893860
>No ward save
In the trash they go

>>95893896
how is a joke statline concern trolling

>>95893900
Everything in the army has a minimum 6++ ward from magical jade.

>>95893876
I love autismal twtourists.
Can't get enough of them and their rampant mental illness.

>>95893908
Almost everyone on the internet has brain damage now.

>>95893914
I blame the microplastics

If your army hasn't got silly faces on the shields it's not a good army

>>95893816
>So warden of saphery is a dead rule? It violates pg 340
Genuinely no clue what point you're trying to make with this. Warden of Saphery doesn't turn a character into a wizard and even if it did it also confers the Ithilmar Armour special rule which allows a wizard wearing armour it has access to to cast and dispel without penalty.
>Quit being a coward and link your reddit meltie.
I'm still not that anon

>>95893919
>boomers got posioning from leaded gas and pipes
>millennials and zoomers get microplastics
Grim

Early line on the magic lore of the cathayan AJ too, no spells as of yet, but apparently because of Xen Yang's reverse polarity control of the winds of magic cathayan spells just flat out CANNOT be dispelled, at all, except by other cathayan armies.

Due to the popularity of Aos1 in the studio, jade warriors get +1 ws if you are chinese or can do a good chinese impression during your fight phase

>>95893908
being gay as a joke is still being gay.

>>95893998
counterpoint is you immediately lose the game if anyone in the room perceives it as racist though, so it's a high-risk strat

>>95893940
Ofc not you've just derailed a thread and are really vested just as another anon mentioned he's still assmad about reddit. Total coincidence

>>95894003

>>95893998
>I am NOT a racist, I am doing this for rerolls on ones

Some anon here needs to bite the bullet and pay to join the Square Based discord.
They have the rules - Rob's whore gets the free GW merch- they are sitting on them

>>95894034
I'm not going to pay people to get access to rules that will be free

>>95893999
are you retarded

>>95894034
>They have the rules
No they aren't, randos would've posted them everywhere by now if they were

>>95893806
I like it, and I like it's visual identity so far. I can both understand the desire but think it's very foolish to expect them to spell out the grimdark in the fluffer articles meant to make you wanna buy the faction. I'm just hoping they won't be a one hit wonder that doesn't get support.

>>95894079
>I'm just hoping they won't be a one hit wonder that doesn't get support.

no one tell him about every new gw army released in the last 10 years for every system

>>95893860
>W2 A2

Sure buddy

>>95894034
No.

I love discussions

>>95894094
Has any newish gw army gotten reasonable support after the initial launch? Sisters and admech maybe. I think all the AOS ones are basically fire and forget though.

>>95894049
Do you know any other insults or did retard just stretch your ESL to the limit?

>>95894120
Only Stormcast and Lumineth for 'pure' AoS armies.

>>95894144
Why do you accuse people of being ESL when you can't follow basic english exchanges?

I want to apologize for saying it's 50%. I ended up being really curious so I tested it myself (to prove to myself that it was 50%) In the end I redrew a "gold" roughly 2/3 of the time, tried 30ish times too. Really interesting stuff

>>95894106
Honestly I missed watching spergs freak the fuck out about any contradictions in GWs often very loosely, contradictory often, written and edited ruleset, that a normal person can just hey through but the autistic mind finds no rest from. Bring s me back to when TLOS was introduced and things like hills would block but some obstacles wouldnt and rerolls

>>95894160
Huh? You've thrown around retard a bunch in several contexts. Not hard to follow just boring reading your limited mind repeat itself

So the end of this year is going to be what? Dark Mechanicus for WH40k/HH and Chaos Dwarves for AoS and TOW?

>>95894196
Damn apparently you get called retard all the time, that's funny

>>95893860
>still I5
Retard can’t even make decent bait with a do over

>>95894211
No, but I can tell when someone's not worth the effort. I guess when you return to school your English class may help you be less well retarded.
Also models? You admit you're the one shitting up this thread but there hasn't even been a model posted so far

>>95894228
damn you're retarded and blind

You know you can just ignore posts you don't like?
You don't have to shit, piss your pants, and wail endlessly about boggiemen. It would, as a matter of fact, be better if you didn't.

>>95893806
Seems pretty lame so far, they've made it sound like a utopia when it should be even more dysfunctional than the Empire. Things I want:
>constant paranoid scheming and warfre between rival dragon spawn
>constant inbreeding between dragon spawn, with the possibility of inbred dragon spawn units
>chaos cults
>cao ping victorious, 127 million dead (65 million cannibalised peasants) chinese warfare

Name one flaw

>>95894255
>should be even more dysfunctional than the Empire
A) why 'should' it?
B) do you really expect it to be told during pre-order window community post articles

>>95894261
Why isn’t she strapped to a minotaur

>>95894235
those weird kellies are yours? ngl the shields are good but the models look like shit. the greenstuffing needs some texturing work and they look well...kind of meld into your terrain. need some more color choices to make things pop but i assume the bones will be touched up to be brighter. unless the camera is washing out colors
and if you are the VC sperg anon, surely you can post your reddit thread now? or like take a break for a minute? you've shown up and the thread went to shit as bad as the Cathay announcement.

Magnus the Pious and Asavar Kul minis when?

Great war of chaos in old world when?

>>95894261
She is not pregnant

>>95894289
Hopefully never, so tired of chaoswank in the later editions of warhammer. I'm fine with them just being up north plotting and occasionally sending out armies that aren't world ending.
I guess if GW wanted to end times Old World, that's their big bang though.

>>95894283
I didn't say they were mine retard

>>95894304
do you have any models or are we stuck with you all summer?

>>95893919
>>95893947

you fags play with plastic minis and inhale resin from 3d printing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJmoNlBjEE

What new minis do you actually want to see?

>>95894319
chaos is the only thing current gw really gets right imo

>>95894323
>>95894300

the duality of man

>>95894261
Not sexy enough

Why do people whine endlessly about "chaoswank" but no one ever shits themselves about "tyranidwank" despite it being essentially the same thing

>>95894273
Because the political intrigue in actual China was insane and it should be even worse with a bunch of dragons running around.
>do you really expect it to be told during pre-order window community post articles
Yes. The flaws of a faction should be just as, if not more, enticing as its virtues.

>>95894327
to be honest, as much as I hate the lore results of chaoswank, the models and artwork is often awesome from Realms of Chaos to now. I can concede that.
>>95894343
This may shock you here, in this thread, but I don't really think about tyranids at all

>>95894343
Because tyranids like every other alien/chaos race in 40k exist to get bodied by space marines. They are jobbers. A jobber being built up a bit only makes the job seem more consequential

>>95894343
>tyranidwank
wrong thread, 40kid

>>95894361
chaos literally just jobs to the empire every single time until it came time to nuke the setting though? The great war against chaos literally didn't even get passed the first major city in the most remote shittiest part of the old world. The "wank" is just vauge grandiose statements about the dark gods are so very mighty

>>95894307
I'll stop fucking with you when calling you a retard stops being low effort entertainment

>>95894373
Same with 40k took 13 Black Crusades for them to make it past Cadia.

Would you pick cotton for her?

>>95893806
I like it.

>>95894300
But in the early editions you supposedly prefer they weren’t even really up north. They were a constant enemy within.

>>95894261
Not mine.

>>95894343
Because Chaos is cool like Dragon Ball.

>>95894386
>you supposedly prefer
nta but that's a great way to out yourself as an annoying cunt

>>95894383
I don't think I'd have much of a choice.
>these are the human-fuckers in AoS
At least they remain blatant fetish bait across time and space. It's good civilization.

>>95894386
I'm not familiar with pre- Realms of Chaos desu, were they like cultists and didnt really have a central "homeland" prior to that book? When did the chaos wastes become like canon 4th ed?

Chaos hate honestly makes zero sense to me because chaos is probably the single largest unique part of Warhammer’s setting. Slaves to Darkness/The Lost and the Damned are the definitive Warhammer books. Like if you really cannot stand chaos go play something else, it has been a core component of this setting for nearly 40 years. Chaos is THE most distinctive part of Warhammer.

>>95894386
yea anon doesn't know shit, 3ed-5th they're an all encompassing spiritual threat and all gods are explicitly chaos gods, in 5th the "world is doomed" stuff maxes out pre end times, in 6-8th they really toned it down to chaos being more of an alien faction and less of a spiritual force, which really made the setting less well written because it highlighted the toy-sales focus of it by trying to make each faction a neat tidy thing instead of intertwined parts of the same world

>>95894396
I’m just saying I doubt anon knows shit about anything pre-6e senpai.

I don't know shit about Warhammer before the end times audiobooks.
Can I still play with you guys?

>>95894404
Yeah they just rolled it all up into aggro vikings when the metaphysical take has always been the more interesting one.

>>95894404
>hint at end of the world being imminent in every chaos book past 5th edition and Empire often referencing the end times
>glow up Archeaon more in every book
I dont think that's toned down

>>95894438
The only actual problems with Archaon are the weirdo Belakor’s son background and pseudo-Abaddon ‘he hates Chaos really’ internal narrative. When he was just the most metal Chaos Lord of them all he was fine.

>>95894438
It's massively toned down, read the 5th book

But also you're just spiritually weak if you don't read about the inevitable doom of the world and your heroic dudes don't think this

>>95894452
post 2000s gw sucked at writing chaos because they were full fedora wearer at the time, they couldn't imagine a cool character believing in any gods

and now they're just so ingorant of anything historical, literature, ect, it's just kind of pointless to expect anything of them at all other than fantasy tropes compressed into a pate, sort of like the average users of this thread who don't know anything about the apocolyptic movements in early modern europe where things like flageleants, mordheim, and the overall writing of chaos comes from

Are there examples of dual nurgle/slannesh champions in lore? If so, what books/media are they in?

>>95894473
I dont think there are very many examples of dual champions at all save earlier beastmen shamans

>>95894471
Yeah it’s pretty rough when you look at the Realms of Chaos books or even the Mordheim/Inquisitor rulebooks and realise how much of modern GW stuff is just fans of these retreading ground rather than artists who have their own unique experience and visions bringing that into making product informed by it. Like it’s lovely we have the technology and capability to now just make an illustration out of RoC or an Inquisitor character an actual physical model, but it’s depressing that the evocative content that produced that model is just being slowly mined out and not being replaced with any kind of new substrate. I think the last GW stuff I really felt had vision was maybe the SoB re-release? Like the Exorcist tank was a fantastic execution of concept. But even there the second wave was much less gothic and ornate and just kinda boring.

>>95894454
then it was even more gay before?
The problem with Chaos is it relegates all other bad guys to jobbers by comparison. Orcs, Skellies, Dark Elves, all nobodies sicne everything is chaos and magic is chaos and gods are chaos and chaos is chaos etc. I can see why after decades of the setting being stagnant GW decided to make chaos a background character in TOW. If they are going to be the end all, might as well save them for the end then

>>95894503
Your brain is just broken on thinking of the setting as team sports, and gw made that worse by nearly seperating undead, dark elves, ect from chaos instead of having the setting be integrated and cohesive

>>95894402
Yeah there was this screenshot doing the rounds of some chaos hater minimising Realms of Chaos and Slaves to Darkness amongst other things, then all the other haters were replying to it and patting themselves on the back; books which were coveted in my youth in the early 2000s and one of the things which PDFs were handed around heavily once we got access to a tech-savvy grog with a heap of files. The popularity hasn't waned since.

I guess I would call out Ushoran as having some appeal even though it’s AoS too (but a reworked WHFB concept) though this thread will probably be against that. But the fluff that like, you have this semi-tragic characterisation of the Strigoi/FEC where they delude themselves into thinking they are noble, and that delusion stems from Ushoran’s infective psychosis, and then the hint that Ushoran maybe knows, maybe is perfectly sane and the nightmare is just something amusing to him is pretty good. That felt kind of novel, not entirely original, but like someone was actually thinking and trying to write something interesting and not just fan-fictioning what had come before.

>>95894501
the current gw employees are fans of the compressed product made by fans of the actual original art (the middle hammer generation of staff) who themselves were relatively ignorant compared to the original artists. It's getting to the point of multiple layers of divorce from the original energetic core, and the ABYSSAL pay GW gives it's employees and the thick layer of corprate sloppification means they best you can ever hope for is a tasteful execution of an aesthetic or concept that has it's roots in something from 1989 and anything trying to be genuinely original (votann, cathay, ect) is just going to be obcenely sterile.

>>95894255
>>constant paranoid scheming and warfre between rival dragon spawn
This is obvious in the fluff that CA has been putting out (with GW's blessing). It's extremely odd to not even really bring it up ahead of release. The dragon siblings constantly bicker and had a war lasting hundreds of years, and have fought many times since then.

>>95893806
I'll pick up everything but the Terracotta Sentinel. I don't enjoy the mystical aspects too much. The lion statues from the game are gay as shit too.

>>95894559
Ushoran is good design, but it's like a video game collectors edition statue of a diablo 3 enemy that doesn't exist, not a warhammer game peice.

>>95894488
That's a shame.
Thank you for your time, friend.

>>95894559
I don’t know much about the FEC lore but Ushoran looks like a modern WoW raid boss. The design is too cartoony for Warhammer Fantasy.

>>95894548
>everyone is on team sports but me
>proceeds to wank about his favorite faction
>despite the fact GW and the community largely moved away from it.
Sure....

What books should I read? I got the one vampire woman book and I think the first three books of Felix and Gotrek.

>>95894402
Chaos as some kind of cosmic, world ending, mumbo jumbo freakshit has always been one of the weakest parts of the setting since Bryan stole it and then haphazardly crowbarred it into Warhammer. Warhammer is better when "chaos" is just northern barbarian tribes with the absolute most vaguest hints at some sort of unholy intervention

>rule lawyers about a niche interaction.
>chaoswank.
>people discussing AoS and 40k shit.
>Cathay trolling.
>aggressively edgy anons
>almost 0 models, no bat reps, almost no list questions.
Fuck me summer hit this thread like grimgor.

>>95894696
The monster you cannot understand or witness is more horrifying than the one that appears in the light and begs to be understood.
After all, even a T-Rex could die to a WW2 AT Rifle

>>95894694
I recently bought the first gortrek and Felix omnibus. Waiting on delivery now, it’s available from GW for $25 cad vs $80 for some reason on Amazon. When I was young I red a book about some Gyppo analogues and Strigoi vampires. Strigany iirc

>>95894702
>people having an actual discussion
>waaa waaa you’re making me uncomfortable go back to what I’m used to

>>95894734
Triggered

>>95894730
I got the e-book version.
I've only read the first and second books of the first 1-3. I liked them. I'm not sure they changed my life, but when I read them, they felt like they belonged in warhammer despite the fact that my primary exposure is Total War.
Take from that what you will

>>95894583
>>95894637
I’m starting to think people hated forge world. I also think people would hate chaos dwarves if they were adapted from their tww adaptation.

>>95894398
>At least they remain blatant fetish bait across time and space
Elfs are lewd, as is Sigmar's will

>>95894702
Would you mind having your faggy crashout somewhere else?

>>95894702
I'm working on some chaos warriors.

>>95894788
To be fair, I've noticed that Slannesh starts on the Donut, where elves only need to breed once like every twenty years. But Slannesh does not start in the Empire where, realistically, breeding needs to occur like once a month.

>>95894778
Nah you have to remember there's a large group of misery tourists accross this board who as you can see here dont..actually enjoy participating in the game. They'll bitch and moan and find things to get sissy about but after a few months the actual players will still be here and life will go on. So I'm sure chorfs would bring cries of "not enough slaves" or orc laborers not called slaves (because they weren't called that on their unit cards) etc for a few months just like I'm giving the Cathay moaning to be done in a bit.
Albeit people always hate the new faction for a long time.

>>95894795
Nice what marks you thinking?
As for myself
>see Cathay post earlier with those stupid rings in a blade
>putting togther my centigor
>realize the leaders blade also has the same rings
>It's a cathayan glaive
Does this mean beastmen plunder the caravans? Goats>dragons confirmed?

>>95894865
Mark of nurgle most likely. It's not the best, but it fits the army's theme.

>>95894298

>>95894788
Did Sigmar ever meet any elves?

>>95894730
Any idea why the other Gotrek and Felix books aren't available on GW's site? I remember reading a bunch at the library when younger and I recently went to buy them but I can't find them anywhere

>>95894940
Before endtimes? He probably did, but only with a dwarf at his back.

>>95894337

>>95894940

>>95894961
This is actually fucking hilarious lmao. I’m imagining they end up duking it out.

>>95894945
No clue. I assume GW just has a rotating availability on older books.

>>95895009
How very annoying, since I wanna buy em all instead of waiting piecemeal on something that's already out

>>95894261
Her tabletop model

>>95895026
>not showing the soles
baka

>>95895034
It does if you look at the correct angle

Hopefully they make a model for one of Miao sisters and she has both fat cathay milkers but also a deep cleavage

>>95895134
Bonus points if she has a futa cock.

>>95895154
no
die

>>95894788
No, it's specifically the witch elves.
How viable is a witch elf army in TOW? 4th edition AoS is kinda absolute garbage and they wouldn't be too hard to rebase.

>>95895227
>how viable
I don’t have the fucking heart to tell you what’s happening to poison in the coming weeks dude.

>>95895266
The +1 to wound thing? Yeah that's pretty shitty.

Cathy is getting a themed yin and yang release. This is the light side of the release, which is why all the lore is nice and positive. Later we'll see the flip side release which will include the downtrodden peasant units and all the darker lore. Trust the plan.

>>95895320
They literally can’t make Cathay redeemable.

>>95895320
>hot dragon bitches or dragon-blooded bitches will marry you against your will when you just wanted to farm rice with your jade-like beauty childhood friend whom was conscripted and is now an inner disciple cultivating higher power and is wed to a young master instead
The grim reality. . . .

Did cathay get leaked yet

>>95895320
It's infuriating seeing white people play this "we got to tread carefully!" game, I get why they do it, but it's still annoying. Chinese history is arguably one of the most cyclically grim in the world, we were in constant civil wars and our Imperial court is the most laughably corrupt hierarchy you can imagine. I'm glad they know not to add zombies and stuff (despite the fact that they do have undead in the game so the point is moot) but I could totally use more infighting, corruption, conscript waves, and cowardice.

Also, with GW's prices Warhammer is NEVER going to make it in the mainland. From my visits there there does exist a Warhammer community, but they're literally more likely to buy bases and put their own toys on those than look at a Citadel figure, they're much much too expensive to ever catch on.

>>95895405
I wonder if we'll get corrupt eunuch analogues

>>95895451
Why the hell would immortal dragons need Enuchs for? Any Concubine in this setting would WANT to bear a Dragon-Blooded child! The Dragons are like the Viltrumites from Invincible because they'll outlive every human on this planet. And they probably also see humans companions as pets than anything else.

>>95894094
longer than that at this point.
you can have a wonderful time with GW games. you just need to recognize that basically every time GW touches a game it makes it worse, and there's basically nothing from the Kirby era or later that's worth looking wasting time on.

Can you march backwards RAW?

>>95895699
No because basic movement is directly forward so you can only move forward if wheel. No other maneuvers such as turning are allowed (normally)

>>95895405
>they're literally more likely to buy bases and put their own toys on those than look at a Citadel figure
dangerously based

>>95895738
Oh, I was misreading. Move backwards is counted as a maneuver, thanks.

>>95895699
Moving backwards is a manoeuvre as described on page 125. The text of marching states "Whilst marching a unit can wheel to change direction, but cannot perform any other manouevres."

WHERE IS HE

Bone giant/necrolith Colossus can't run a bow anymore right?

>>95895866
Nope, no idea why though. Baffling change.

>>95895831
He committed suicide out self hatred

>>95893806
I've got my gripes, but as a whole I've accepted it.

I do believe it's a massive waste to state so clearly that such a gigantic area of the world is so internally peaceful. It makes it boring and not worth delving into. It suffers from the same problem as half of Ulthuan: who gives a fuck about the inner kingdoms where nothing happens?

>>95895920
I do, because I like the concept of frolicking elves picking cotton and fucking in the windmill while literally two miles away there's horrific violence happening.

>>95895451
Maybe Eunuch get mentioned in older Cathay lore blurbs, but it might be one of those things that GW quietly retcons.

>>95895451
You get anime traps.

>>95893779
Its crazy that people are sperging out trying to deny this. The Necromancer can't wear the Flayed Hauberk as per the rulebook. I've played 11 different opponents as VC and only one of them chose to interpret differently, and even then I still used the most disadvantageous but correct application of the rule (no Flayed Hauberk).

>>95895583
>Why the hell would immortal dragons need Enuchs for?
because the making of dragon blooded spreads thin the riches and rights for lands and political positions, as well as fostering even more dire competition between the families of dragon blooded who would obviously look after their own interests first and seek more power and influence than the other families, so it's logical the shugengan would have tightly controlled marriages and harems for the same reason royals in history did, except now the bastards have superpowers and demonic entities they might get tempted by.

>>95895963
I'm okay with this, as long as the miniature and art in the AJ is hot

>>95895451
I think that what the Jade Blooded Vampires were meant to be, who knows What GW will do with that concept now however

>>95893806
pretty good.
cant wait to table boomers playing legacy armies with them.

>>95895920
>so internally peaceful

Anon they've already stated that their peace is entirely peaceful in the articles. Community articles never go substantially in depth on factions even when they're entirely new.

>>95895920
>Who cares about the inner kingdoms?
The brave hard working elves of thr sea guard and gate garrisons for starters
>Also these kingdoms do have some cool lore and color schemes.

>over half of the games factions will be composed of nothing but humans
Grim.

>>95896055
Dark.

>>95896055
and retards want even more human factions

>>95896055
The human faction
>Brettonia
>Empire
>Cathay
>WoC
>Tomb King (they are human skeletons)
The non-human factions
>Dwarfs
>High Elves
>Wood Elves
>Orcs and Goblins
>Beastmen
It's split evenly between human and non human factions right now, and the only other human faction we are likely to get is Dog of War

>>95896076
I mean, even ignoring the lore, beastmen are just furries who take it too far.

>>95896055
Which is why it's paramount, when Kislev and Southern Realms are eventually released, to also bring back some of the Legacy factions.

>>95896098
never gonna happen

>>95893710
We'll see about that!

>>95896055
I mean, what did you want? for cathay to be only monkeymen and dragons, kislev only ice spirits and bears and bretonnia only anglos and frenchmen?

>>95895968
My uncle works for specialist games and he says they can

>>95896120
wrong period, bub.

>>95894010
I was the anon that originally posted re: the Flayed Hauberk. I went to sleep very soon after, I just woke up. You made a ton of posts sperging and accusing another anon of being me when they were in fact not me. I could post screencaps with the (You)s if I cared enough, but you've been sufficiently btfo'd and exposed as a retard who doesn't know how to play, it's no longer necessary.

You should learn how to play the game before making yourself look like an unhinged idiot :)

>>95896098
I was gonna argue that legacy factions would just bring more humans but I guess ogres are...kind of a fantasy creature? I dont know. They are such a nothing faction that I don't think of them at all.
Also, demons of chaos look like they might be getting deleted wholesale and isolated to one game so who knows if they stick to here or the mainline games.
just a stream of consciousness being blurted out here, dont mind me.

>>95896076
People are acting like Kislev and Chaos Dwarfs are hard locks, which I'm not sure I follow the logic on but I'd be slightly interested in seeing the latter

>>95896166
Kislev was explicitly one of the promises for the old world. Chaos Dwarves, are a uh, for another game. B-blood bowl haha.

>>95896175
>Kislev was explicitly one of the promises for the old world.
how unfortunate

>>95896175
>Kislev was explicitly one of the promises for the old world
That was before the zigger chimp-out.

>>95896134
Go make your own thread if WHFB offends you, towsissy.

>>95896189
>grog pretends anything besides TOW matters these days

>>95896175
Nu-kislev was also an embarrassment that offended actual slavs. They probably sent it back for a silent rewrite overseen by the sensitivity gestapo.

>>95896200
Tow doesn't matter. It'll only be around for a couple more years before they bin it in favour of a full 9e.

>>95896215
sure, buddy

>>95896215
>full 9E
technically that would be AoS...

>>95896200
lmao, ToW is clearly a bullshit conceit to appease some internal political bullshit
they haven't done anything with their chosen time period besides retcon a bunch of WFB units back in time

>>95896189
it's not a matter of offense, it's a matter of nonsense.

it's like posting a photo of barak obama as someone who you think can and will stop napoleon.

>>95896206
>that offended actual slavs
who the fuck cares?

>>95896383
If you had taste you would. They complained about magical ice and bears everywhere. Unless you want another gay AoS WoW type new race you should be offended too.

>>95896385
If you had taste you wouldn't want releases wasted on kislev in the first place.

>>95896385
If it were a matter of taste they would at best be a sub faction or whatever in the empire, or whole heartedly ignored even from a conceptual standpoint. Humans are boring as fuck, even an army of halflings would spark more interest.

Kislev should all be stripperific sexy women in scanty clothes.

>>95896390
>>95896396
>>95896400
You are legit tasteless plebians. Go play smegmar if you dislike varied human fantasy cultures. You have your humans there, followed by a bunch of gay other races.

>>95896403
Nah, you will put up with my anime girl banners.

Kislev was not important, isn't and will never be. Even the middenheim army had more units than Kislev back in the days.

>>95896403
Oh yeah bro I love imperial guard versus imperial guard.

>>95896403
>slavs
>culture
>human

>>95896200
There are thousands of people who still play 6e and 8e. TOW is for newfags

>>95896442
>8e
TOW is just 8e with fixes.

>>95896442
I’m sure some people still do, but the overwhelming majority of fantasy players play TOW. Which isn’t a bad thing.

>215 replies
>only 2 model pictures one is half done one is 3 models assembled
Jfc anons all that typing could have been assembling or painting.
well I got the 9th glade guard up and now have to strip some so I can keep the good=scout unofficial rule for glade guards (especially as I plan to vanguard these) so gonna have to bathe overnight and reprime the others. Still even 9 of these honestly kind of shit sculpts has been fun to paint. These won't win awards but I think once based should look solid enough.
>these mold lines killing me tho.

>>95896470
They look quite good imo why are you stripping some of them? Was it the mould lines on that one you posted yesterday?

>>95895405
China has a lot of rich people. Could find a niche as a luxury game. Seems unlikely but possible.

>>95896482
I'll post tomorrow but in short buddy painted them unprimed pretty rough. Mould lines can be ignored but these...models need to be baptized in alcohol.

>>95896489
Fuck it I got my ass up
This is an example. This must die in fire or drown and be reborn

>>95896485
Imo this is just classic GW 10 years behind the rest of the corporate world. While the rest of the world has spent the last 5 years decoupling from China and lowering their exposure to their market, GW is designing what they think will cause gangbuster sales on the mainland for them. It’s kind of funny if it werent so obviously a dumb idea.

>>95896489
Oh I gotcha. Godspeed anon.

>>95896497
Hey man. Your buddy tried. It isn’t the worst paint job I have ever seen. But yes, definitely strip them lol.

>>95896504
He's a good dude and gave me his wood elves for free so I ain't bitching. Still since Glade guard are going to be every game I'd like for them to consistent in look.

If GW would release Lizardmen. I would be so happy.

>>95896470
I think you should give the the skin a thin layer of a bright skin tone. I'd also add some shiny metal to the bow ends, grips and the half face mask (they are supposed to be leather I think). I know that the 'dirty' look fits a scout unit, but generally I think that, when painting with single layers of contrast-like paints, fleshing out a single detail or two improves the look of the unit by a huge margin.

>>95896504
>It isn’t the worst paint job I have ever seen
You'd have to really try to make it look worse tbdesu.

>>95896533
lizardmen are still being sold

>>95896497
Does your friend have Down Syndrome?

Has GW talked about Cathay getting armies of infamy?

>>95896601
no, I think the arcane journal contains just their grand army, and then the second arcane journal will have the armies of infamy, as well as the peasants and ranged half of the army

>>95896601
Not yet, but we do know that Cathay is getting a sound AJ at some point

>>95896594
I want lizardmen not dragonmen

>>95896642
You mean slaan

>>95896642
I agree that the kroxigors give weird draconborn vibes, but the croc heads work fine.

>>95895986
So the enuchs aren't for the Dragon siblings, but for the Dragon-Blooded humans? If the Dragon-Blood Gene is a "Recessive Gene," you can expect a whole bunch of inbreeding going on between the human houses. It's going to be like the Navigators from 40k all over again if they want to go that grimdark.

Hopefully when the bring Lizardmen out of legacy they do some proper consultation with latinx representatives. There are some pretty harmful stereotypes in there depiction that could be brought up to modern standards.

>>95896786
Isn't using Lantix now considered very out of date now?
As a sidenote, what is the Wargaming scene like in South American countries?

>>95896601
Yes, Yin-Yin’s Failure Fleet is confirmed.

>>95896786
Agreed. All the blood sacrifice, portraying saurus as dumb labourers and having the whole society controlled by lazy frogs (Jews) really needs to go.

>>95896794
Why are people obsessed with this character? I don't think she's even in the total war game right?

>>95896809
Long and short of it, another potential QT dragon waifu

>>95896809
No, she never showed up in TWW she doesn't even have official art.

Thinking of this list to build towards from my Skull Pass box. Just like Night Goblins and Black Orcs. Any suggestions? Comes to 1972pts so got a couple points to play with.

++ Characters [500 pts] ++
Black Orc Warboss [195 pts]
(Hand weapon, Great weapon, Full plate armour, General, War Boar, Trollhide Trousers)

Night Goblin Oddnob [220 pts]
(Hand weapon, Level 4 Wizard, On foot, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Lore Familiar, Illusion)

Night Goblin Bigboss [55 pts]
(Hand weapon, Battle Standard Bearer, On foot)

Night Goblin Bigboss [30 pts]
(Hand weapon, On foot)

++ Core Units [1072 pts] ++
15 Black Orc Mob [250 pts]
(Hand weapons, Full plate armour, Stubborn, Veteran, 8x Shields, 7x Great weapons, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

29 Night Goblin Mob [228 pts]
(Hand weapons, Thrusting spears, Shields, Netters, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician, 3x Fanatics [Fanatic ball & chain])

29 Night Goblin Mob [228 pts]
(Hand weapons, Thrusting spears, Shields, Netters, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician, 3x Fanatics [Fanatic ball & chain])

20 Night Goblin Mob [130 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shortbows, 2x Fanatics [Fanatic ball & chain])

10 Night Goblin Squig Herd [106 pts]
(2x Squig Herder)

5 Goblin Spider Rider Mob [65 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Shortbows)

5 Goblin Spider Rider Mob [65 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Shortbows)

++ Special Units [400 pts] ++
9 Orc Boar Boy Mob [250 pts]
(Hand weapons, Cavalry spears, Heavy armour, Shields, Big 'Uns, Boss (champion), Standard bearer [The Big Red Raggedy Flag], Musician)

5 Night Goblin Squig Hopper Mob [60 pts]
(Hand weapons)

Goblin Bolt Throwa [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons)

Goblin Bolt Throwa [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons)

>>95896791
AOS is big in mexico, aside from that I have legit zero idea. Also I think they adapted the 1st edition rules over to current editions because of how shittily the translations are in spanish, like I know GW is pretty shit with the polish and french translations for 40k, but the way they told me about it was just outright silly.

>>95896809
shitty meme that went too far, so your standard warhammer stuff. Its going to be funny if she appears as someone bald or a mowhawk.

>>95896809
she incidentally inherited the responsibility of one of the biggest fuckups in cathay's history (described in 5th edition but explicitly not retconned), when they sent their immense fleet to try take lustria.
the slann knew they would do that and sent a hurricane to destroy their fleet, sending the surviving ships off course all the way to the southlands instead, except the slann were unclear on the exact date the hurricane should occur, so they had a second hurricane planned shortly after, which destroyed what was left of the fleet.
only one dude survived the entire ordeal and managed to go back to cathay and tell what happened, he was left alive by the lizards on purpose after getting captured.
cathay took over a century to rebuild the fleet back to strength and who knows how much it got fucked up by pirates and raiders without proper naval defence.


this fuckup, together with the fact she's the sea dragon and a woman, made people attach onto her the same bullying reserved for the character of aqua from konosuba.

>>95896969
And thus why Yin-Yin is missing and definitely not larping as a goddess in another world.

>>95896786
>>95896802
>not the sexy half naked Amazons
Esto es hispanofobia y puro racismo. No se puede respetar a una nacion o region si en vez de hacer mujeres chulas lagartonas y nalgonas dan simplemente pejelagartos.
Porque ningun ejercito que haria James del Workshop seria honesto, pero tansiquiera podria ser algo de valor.

>>95895920
>be ellyrian
>dark elves paint your wife black and steals her
>inner kingdoms are peaceful my mr. hands ass

>>95897014
Man English really is an ugly language.

>>95896999
she's not missing, just not getting featured as much as the other dragons, the fire dragon is also probably the one they'll do next, and it doesn't sound like total war 3 will receive enough additional DLC to cover her as well after that.

>>95897014
the sexy half naked amazons are still canon and will never be retconned, you also have plenty of alternatives for them including good ones.
the only thing missing from lustria is genuine precolumbian humans that aren't, but literally nobody wants them, not even spaniards, and for that still GW left a sidenote for people making their headcanon about a presence of such a people down in the southern mountains.

>>95897082
>nobody wants them
There is literally a pirate game that features them as mercs

>>95897091
You talking about Man o War Cosair?
that game was purely set in the old world

>>95894795
Nice anon

Im working on a black orc boss

>>95894961

What book's this from?

>>95897142
the Altdorf splatbook for WFRP4e
it's an adventure hook or seed about a piller in the middle of a public park

>>95897167

thanks anon!

>>95894961
>inb4 that's a vision of the future and not the past

>>95896969
>>95896999
>aqua from konosuba
good god you fags need some taste

>>95896215
TOW is 9e buddy

Cathay article this time about the sculpts
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/aglktgbi/old-world-almanack-sculpting-the-cathayan-expeditionary-force/

>>95897374
There's just nothing about these minis that look Warhammer to me. Even the cannon + crew w/Ogre, arguably the best of the lot, just looks like something from some gay Korean MMO

>>95897374
>except Miao Ying, who is soaring into pre-orders later in the year alongside a second Arcane Journal.
wonder why they are waiting so long to release Miao Ying

>>95897374
>On Saturday you may pre-order everything for the first time – except Miao Ying, who is soaring into pre-orders later in the year alongside a second Arcane Journal.
Gotta wait a bit for favored daughter

>>95897408
Named characters are probably in the second journal

>>95896450
>TOW is just 6e with changes.
Fixed
>>95896442
Luv me massive blocks of infantry
Luv me a4-sized movement trays
Luv me Legions of Chaos
Luv me retarded monsters
Luv me Storm of Magic
but im also quite fond of ToW ngl

simple as

>>95897374
Fine enough sculpts.
Not in love with them but then I've never been interested in Cathay.

>>95897374
At the very least they've gone the nuCadian route of giving everyone male bodies.

>>95895583
Anon, you don't fuck eunuchs. (unless you're into that sort of thing)
You make them guard your hoes and/or chop off their bits so they can administer your empire without getting ideas and becoming dynasts (the Attalids and Qajars be like)

>>95897436
TOW is not like 6th. There are a ton of differences. To be honest it's futile to say "TOW is just like Xth edition" because TOW is really just its own thing, with a bit of everything from older editions and its own stuff

>>95897374
Man, asian faces on 28-32mm scale makes them look like they have downs

Im confused are the new ToW minis 28 or 32 mm scale?

>Ogres are on 40mm bases
This somehow looks and feels wrong.

>>95897537
arn't all TOW Ogres on 40mm bases now?

>>95897374
Write one article without wanking off cathay and shitting on the empire challenge

>>95897561
Kneel, gweilo

>>95897561
They should really update state troops to make them at least as cool as their previous models.
the human troops for disheveled and poorly equipped humans should be bretonnian paesants and free companies, certainly not state troops.

>>95896501
>While the rest of the world has spent the last 5 years decoupling from China and lowering their exposure to their market
Cope. Better start learning Mandarin buddy. American century is over and China is returning to it's rightful place. Communism is inevitable.

>>95897574
>While the rest of the world has spent the last 5 years decoupling from China and lowering their exposure to their market
I mean this was true until America re-elected Trump and he started calling on and calling off tariff arrangements to game the market.

>>95897573
State Troops' equipment and wealth should always depend on the province they come from.

What do we ACTUALLY think for Jade Warriors? They get compared to Knights Errant in the article, but no way these guys are Impetuous. I actually think they've have Drilled as a core rule.

I think they'll be WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8 core statline, POSSIBLY with something like the chaos hand weapons or tomb kings hand weapons rule, full plate armor, shieldwall if you give them shields, drilled.

>>95897393
The cannon crew and ogre are just the closest to Warhammer style IMO.

>>95897561
I wonder how these would look with a chaos warrior helmet to convert some tzeentchian dudes that follow aekold

>>95897374
it's cool that you can build the army entire female. I wonder when they'l introduce this for all the other armies.

>>95897587
cathay is meant to have a yin yang mechanic, I don't know how they plan on doing that without ranged infantry, but they might get a bonus near other troops

>>95897592
I dunno but im gonna borrow your idea and find out, might have to replace the leaders shoulderpads and the shields but I reckon that could work pretty nicely

>>95897596
Can you even tell apart the faces that are meant to be female from the ones meant to be male on jade warriors?

>>95897615
I dunno all those cathayans look the same to me

>>95895320
>trusting a plan to butter up Ching Chong Bing Bongs
No thanks.

>>95897654
[This user was waterboarded by the Cathayan Cultural Sensitivity Team]

I've taken the plunge and despite what I said, I have signed up to a tournament. But it is a 500 points tournament and follows the "Sieze the Tower" restrictions, so less inclination towards abuse.

I have come up with these two lists, which one seems better?

As well, I can also take an Aspiring Champion on a steed and lance instead, but unfortunately I would want to use my Chaos Character on the big dog, but sadly his base is too big...

>>95897124
Nice going anon, love this model so much. I'm trying to figure out how I'll be trying to stick this guy onto a black orc chariot myself.

i just finished riders of the dead a few days ago. was wondering what you guys thought of it. I liked it becuase it delved alot into kislev

>>95897706
I think the first list is better but that much MoK is going to be difficult to manage. Are you averse to mounting the champion, using marauder horsemen and/or using forsaken?

>>95897760
Nice book, but thanks to GW Kislev is now ICE ICE ICE BEARS BEARS BEARS VODKA DRUNKENSKI so its canonicity is dubious

>>95897774
Wasn't Kislev always that?

>>95897763
Yes to the forsaken and horsemen because, honestly I don't have the miniatures.

Mounting the Champion, I can TECHNICALLY do it but wouldn't be using the hero mini i want.

My inclination was towards the first list myself but the bloke who suggested the latter was adamant the Chosen would be worth it. But 2 less wounds/bodies, even with 3+ has me concerned.

I like Vermintide. A few part like Tzeentch looking at them one or twice seems a bit much though

>>95897784
There isn't a ton between the two lists honestly, I would rather run the unit of 6 chosen than the unit of 8 warriors. They will shred at this points level. Forsaken are just really nice value especially at this points level and I would be worried if you throw the aspiring champion in the warriors unit the opponent will just refuse to engage with it all game. Having him on a horse as a potential solo piece would work better IMO. With the bulk of your list being slow infantry, there are going to be skew lists at 500pts which will just never have to engage with you and kind of pick up a free win too.

But you do you, both lists look OK, just play it out and see how it goes.

>>95897374
Great miniatures. Legacy factions will look downright sad next to them.

>>95897374
I feel like I'm in the tiny minority with this opinion but I do not like models with a lot of stuff on them, part of the reason I enjoy working with older models is that there just isn't a massive amount of stuff to paint on them. I feel I can get all the details fairly easily and paint things to a decent standard.

>>95897774
>>95897779
OK I take it back, I just looked at TWW Kislev. Why are they a fucking monster faction lmao

>>95897828
You're not wrong, current GW stuff is really hyperdetailed. The standard of painting has overall greatly improved over the past 10-20 years, just compare Golden Demons, but not everyone wants to take days and days just to paint a block of regular infantry.

>>95897779
yes, but anon got too stuck up on his own fanfiction

>>95897760
A good book, the ending and climax felt a bit rushed.
the Empire using lots of Pikemen stood out, but only because GW never bothered to give the Empire Pikemen ingame, aeasticallly Pikes make a lot of Sense for the Empire
Chamon Dharak was a cool location

>>95897840
Fuck off back to /twg/ with the revisionism.

>>95897913
>kislev never had bear mounts
>kislev never had ice witches
>kislev has fantasy stuff other than that

>>95897987
At least try

>>95897987
>kislev never had giant evil wendigos and skull-faced woodland monsters

>kislev never had 50 foot tall elemental bears made of magic ice
>kislev never had legions of wingless frost dragons

>>95898000
>>95898009
>>95898018
I thought you were angry about ice and bears, not wendigos and dragons

>>95898018
>legions of
The ice dragons are retarded but specifying the quantity in a video game is also retarded since it isn't meant to be representative of their actual numbers

>>95898066
Yes, everything being ice or bears or ice bears is retarded flanderization. They need to be present of course but lower the amount by about 90%.

>>95897760
Abnett is always reliable for a decent story it's not bad

>>95897698
> Waterboarded
Lmao they have vans that roll around and perform lethal injections bro. If they don't just drag you to the state sanctioned firing squad posts (also a real thing).

>>95898094
They want to torture him anon not kill him.
It's better PR if he's shown making a formal apology to the CCST than it would be to defenestrate him

>>95898111
You can use an actor or a bot now.

>>95898009
Technically everyone could take the giant evil wendigos

Assuming Kislev and Cathay do well for TOW, what do you think is next?
a second edition? 2 more rulebooks bringing back the missing legacy armies? Nothing because GW is retarded?

>>95898160
Trust in our giant evil wendigos to hold the line against chaos.

The wanking off of Cathay makes me want to make a Tzeentch worshipping Hung tribe themed WoC army just so I can model dead jade warriors on their bases.

>>95898178
I am an AoS and TOW player and I think GW's current stance on both games is a schizophrenic mess. It is retarded to have Cathay as a faction in TOW while disqualifying ogres, vampire counts etc. And it was retarded to remove beastmen from AoS. I would like GW to get its head out of its arse, forget this stupid Sears-tier internal competition bullshit, and fully restore all the legacy factions to TOW then proceed to a Kislev expansion in line with the 6e mini-supplement.

>>95898208
>Cathay sent an army to Marienburg

Fuckin how. Its a continent away over hostile seas

If your going to preen about your Magic Space Dragons being the Bestest Casters and the Most Awesome Rulers why not just magic the fucking guys over to the conflict zone?

>>95898208
Yeah it's retarded how they're doing a far east faction but then neglecting all the armies thay would actually be in proximity (chorfs, ogres, skaven, etc.)

>>95898178
Second edition that uses the scrapped plans to make Kislev and Cathay the launch armies and main factions of TOW, further pissing off WHFB players. Legacy armies continue to be forgotten and other older units continue to not be updated

>>95898178
old dogs of war models get brought back as mercenaries
legacy factions get reintroduced with their 6th/7th ed ranges
core factions get piecemeal updates to some units
mordheim gets brought back as it was and then some years later with another box that contains the same exact stuff, but as updated plastic models and plastic scenery
vampire pirates

>>95898190
You don't need an excuse to have dead chatayans on your bases, everyone has a reason to kill them.

>>95898258
Still, Mongol themed chaos has the most thematic right to tread on them

>>95898258
Personally I want to replace the orc head on the questing knight paladin with a head styled after Yuan Bo but GW won't let me buy the questing knight

>>95897561
What are the odds they made cathay ugly as shit just so people can't proxy them with chinese historicals

I'm looking at the 6th edition giant rules. Aren't the stats really stupid? I get that it is supposed to have funny mechanics, but the stats just don't make sense. It can hit way harder than a great cannon (2d6 automatic wounds), but it only has strength 6...
Why didn't they at least give it strength 10 instead? It wouldn't cause balance problems and it wouldn't make it less funny.

>gooning to tww
>chaos haters seethings about chaos for the upmteenth time
>low iq posters unable to understand hauberk rules
>like 3 model posts
>shitting on cathay (this is based though)

great threads recently lads

>>95898314
because other similarly sized monsters don't have str10

>>95898314
Old GW stats were actually a scale of 1-8 for WS and BS and 1-6 for everything else.

>>95898311
What Chinese historicals?
GW kinda lucked out since they don't really exist outside of some Opium War models and some Three Kingdom in the West

Can shooting units shoot through friendly units?
Do friendly units obscure line of sight to target units?
What if the friendly unit is the same rank size as the shooting unit?
Please help, I'm retarded.

>>95898329
It really would make more sense if the model was much bigger as well. The attack and fall over mechanics seem to assume that the giant is much bigger/stronger than other large monsters. Also, strength does not necessarily have to strictly follow size.

>>95898333
Might that explain the characteristic test mechanic where you only compare against a d6 as opposed to LD tests where you compare against 2d6? Or did the old stats also have LD on a 1-6 scale?

>>95898387
No, Ld went say 4-10. This is just by convention, it wasn't actually written anywhere, but it was incredibly rare to see stats outwith those benchmarks.

>>95898380
>Can shooting units shoot through friendly units?
Only if they are on a hill or otherwise of bigger size tha infantry. or if they are catapult.
so no.
>Do friendly units obscure line of sight to target units?
yes
>What if the friendly unit is the same rank size as the shooting unit?
still blocks your shooting.

Also its not total war you cant shoot into melee

>>95898396
Thanks, anon.
So what if you have a 10 model wide rank of shooters and a 5 model wide rank of melee units out in front of them, being approached by a 10 model wide rank of enemies?
Then some models can draw line of sight directly to the enemy models. In this case, the models not blocked by friendly models can still shoot following the "We can't all shoot!" rules, correct?

>find an AoS vampire spearhead in my closet that I bought forever ago with the intent of turning them into some VC units
>realize if I had just not bought it until I was actually ready to build them I could have got the new version of the spearhead with skeletons that are apparently easier to build
I really need to stop impulse buying. I don't even play VC...

>>95898422
Yeah.

>>95898430
Great, thanks.

>>95898392
Might the cannon rules also have some old edition explanation? It seems really weird that they use a lot of rule space to emphasize that cannons ignore armor saves when virtually nothing in the game has an armor save good enough to matter againist str10.

>>95898380
no, MODELS cannot shoot if there's an intervening models, be it another enemy unit, another friendly unit or even another friendly model of the same unit

you draw the line of sight and range individually from each model of your unit towards one model of the target unit
only your frontal rank shoots unless you have rules saying otherwise, for example a unit on a hill gets to shoot with the second rank as if it could draw the line of sight through the first rank, and weapons that shoots with volleys like bows have a rule that tells you how many models of the unit can shoot

one egregious exception to the line of sight is when you're targeting a model with the large target rule, in that case intervening models don't block the line of sight to it unless they're themselves large targets, which means that all ranks of a unit can shoot to the big tall monster

>>95898446
S10 would be what -7 to armour saves? Yeah it's a bit bizarre. You could get a 0+ armour save in 6e without too much effort in certain factions, but the cannon would negate even that.

>>95897574
So that's why Trump want Greenland ?

>>95898446
>>95898457
Hmmm, maybe Dark Elves could have gotten to a -1+ armour save with the sea dragon cloak actually? Not sure if you could put that on a mounted model.

>>95898456
>all ranks of a unit can shoot to the big tall monster
damn that's a lot of shots. How are big monsters expected to survive?
I have a T6 monster with 6 wounds and 5+ regen, 5+ armor. Seems like it would just get torn apart doesn't it?

>>95898470
If you can someone manage a -1+ you should be granted your 6+ t-shirt against a canon

>>95898484
No. T6 is a lot in this game, particularly against shooting. Most shooting weapons that fire out of units are s3 or s4. Unless they're poisoned, a unit of say, 20 hand guns firing at that target would still likely only score something like 1 or 2 wounds.

>>95898380
>Can shooting units shoot through friendly units?
No unless the shooting unit is on a hill or they are shooting a large target

>Do friendly units obscure line of sight to target units?

yes

>>95898514
I see. It's a 6+ to wound, then I get a 6+ save and a 5+ regen.
Thanks for being patient.

>>95897908
>the ending and climax felt a bit rushed.
this is literally every abnett book

>>95898528
Yep, if you're used to 40k stats or whatever, that defensive profile might seem anemic, but it's borderline immune to anything lower than s5, which mostly only comes from sources like charging cavalry, heavy infantry with two handed weapons, characters, other monsters, or heros. If anything big monster fellas are actually kind of a problem this edition because they're so tough.

>>95898493
It certainly isn't more unreasonable than a human having a chance through a 1 on the to wound roll.

Any idea for a mortis engine conversion? Don't care for the model, too loud to look sinister

>>95898589
Post your dudes so we can see what theme you have or are going for because undead chariots/ baggage trains of the damned are a dime a dozen for options outside of GW

>>95898605
To be clear, I'm asking because there are a bunch of sea themed mortis engine options and then classic VC and then...I dunno we could say classic horror themes that I've seen people print. That GW model surely inspires people to go to other options. It would be good to see your guys to know what would look ok from scale to asethetic

Have a picture of my game against WE yesterday. Eternal guard being sandwiched by humble clanrats. Wow EG are crap.
It was a slaughter in favor of the Skaven.

Game was basically won by on turn 3 after I Steed of Shadowed the Storvermin brick aggressively. He, foolishly, charged his Bird Lord into the flank, lost to static combat res, broke because double outnumber, fled through his wizard, who also broke.
On my turn I charged the wizard, who fled again and off the table then redirected into the lord who died.

My right flank collapsed but it was just a bunch of scouts who spent the rest of the game lobbing arrows at my rat bricks while the weapon teams hid behind the woods.

>>95898632
Did I have a stroke and post this or did you pretend to me and say what I was going to say but not in an embarassing way

>>95898638
>old EG models
Love to see them
Nice game. I'm learning wood elves but from what I can tell EG can basically live 1 round or 2, but s3 ap1 isn't going to wipe ranks so you use them as a very expensive anvil. Sounds like you were able to knock out his hammer aka birblord and from there route.
Ggs mate, I love to see this even.

>>95898642
>anons schizophrenia takes over

>>95898642
No I'm just not a cunt and wanted to be clear. but good luck to you.

>>95898638
cute rats

>>95898178
>>95898208
I think the legacy armies are coming back in the next edition and all the remains of them in AoS will get kicked out/redesigned, much like what happened with the olde vampire stuff.
It's idiotic they won't, it's sweet sweet FOMO sales and they don't even have to invest in new sources, they just reprint with the hideous old fantasy stuff.

2/3 done with my first band of Chaos Warriors, only 4 left to paint. I'm fairly happy with how the front turned out on my most recent dude but I really bungled up the cape. I should have used a smaller brush and diluted my shade a bit. Got sloppy on the highlights too. I'm half tempted to try and clear the paint off there and try again, but I'm worried I might just make things worse. I'm finding the capes the trickiest part to make look nice.

>>95898247
> 6/7th ranges
They are going to do full 8th edition shit, like they have done for every other TOW army.
The only things not included are the End Times releases (so things like Morghasts for TK)

>>95898470
Highborn/nobles can take it and ride could one (which gives +2 armour as if it was barded). Together with heavy armour and an enchanted shield it adds up to a -1+ save against projectiles.

>>95896385
>slavs
>complaining about ice and bears being prominent

This is like complaing about a fictional american focusing too much on eagles and capitalism

>>95898758
some 8th edition kits will definitely stay in aos, so tow will have to do without those

for example it is VERY unlikely for aos lizardmen to lose terradons/ripperdactyls, carnosaur/troglodon, and the bastiladon, in order to bring them back in tow, as it's unlikely for all of these to get updates, instead it's far more likely that TOW will end up losing the bastiladon, ripperdactyls and troglodon and use the older metal models for the carnosaur and terradons

similar discussion for skaven, the chances that aos would simply lose or update all of these kits in the near future
>warp lightning cannon/plagueclaw catapult
>hellpit abomination
>doomwheel
>screaming bell/plague furnace
is close to zero, TOW can and likely will make due without the catapult, abomination and plague furnace, and use the older metal cannon, screaming bell and even older classic doomwheel, perhaps replacing the role of the abomination in the roster with the brood horror instead, since that's forge world

for ogres it's likely they won't get mournfangs, stonehorn/thundertusk, and the plastic scraplauncher/ironblaster, and instead use the old forge world rhinox riders and the old metal scraplauncher

Dude that wood elf book is somehow worse than the fucking chaos warrior book what the fuck. Like it’s genuinely the most laziest fucking shit ever, I can’t tell the thought process behind it, maybe it’s supposed to be for narrative games (even if I think fantasy is the worst game to do that for), but it’s still so…niche.
If any army deserves a second arcane journal it’s wood elves, because this book is just downright insulting. Couldn’t even make the shitty looking animals fun, hell making them be a mixed unit should have been a no brainer.

>>95898881
seethe welfaggot seethe

>>95898848
I am almost certain that ogres will be treated like Beastmen and brought back to fantasy wholesale. It’s been a decade of no direction and little to no support for ogres in AoS.

>>95898937
It’s literally impossible to be given less support than the beastmen. Well, maybe if you’re dark eldar, but besides that. Anyways there are like 3 things that kinda argue otherwise to that argument, the newest spearhead that they released for ogres have iron guts, which they wouldn’t put in if they were planning on gutting, they’d instead opt for the gorgers that they updated recently, and maybe the centerpiece. Also uh…for the last reason? I still expect Aos and the old world to share some odd kits here and there, they’d just make some units have shit rules so they aren’t incentivized to be bought.

>>95898755
Cape is great, no need to try and keep messing with it on your rank and file guys, use the experience you get from doing this to keep improving for when you have to do a character, well done on the models anon.

>>95898457

7E Bloodthirster could have a -3+ armour save, giving him a 4+ against S10 attacks.
Daemonic Gifts were explicitly not regular equipment and stackable so he could run around with 2 different suits of 3+ armour on top of his regular heavy armour.

Would Cathay be improved by removing the dragons and dragon-blooded entirely?

>>95899023
You’re still left with nothing.

>>95897393
What about them doesn't look warhammer?

>>95899023
The dragons are the cool part though

>>95899043
No face plates.

>>95899023
no, it would be improved if the special named dragons were extremely distant from the politics of the empire, which would be ruled by competing dynasties (that once may have started as dragon blooded, but now the blood got thinned down over the generations to the point only some members of the families sport draconic powers or characteristics) that war between themselves and occasionally receive a mandate from heaven.
the named dragons and their direct draconic progenies would be the only ones that live on the floating islands around the nation and themselves compete for dominance and influence over the heavenly court in parallel to how humans and lower dragon blooded do on the ground.

>>95899023
Personally I don’t think the dragons are the issue the issue is how saccharine and clean Cathay is.

>>95899055
Cathay needs to be more silly, not this.

>>95899076
It could do with a dose of Big Trouble in Little China and Mortal Kombat silly weirdness

>>95899055
>heavenly court is a bunch of floating landmasses where dragons and draconic-blooded hang, and they have little interest in cathay
>mandate of heaven is the favour of the dragons, but the heavenly court is divided by factionalism and intrigue, sometimes the mandate is arbitrarily revoked and given, sometimes there are competing mandates for competing factions
>grand cathay is ruled by mostly mortals with a little dragon-blood, an emperor over many aristocratic families, whenever there is a civil war all factions appeal to the heavenly court for a mandate
>it is possible for a mortal faction to control cathay without a mandate, but then the dragons will either just roll with it, or show up in full force and burn that faction to a crisp

>>95899076
True i would love that, i already like Cathay but some silly or wuxia stuff would go a long way

>>95899104
Sounds like the best way to make it interesting while keeping the historical background they want.

>>95897596
Hopefully never, female heads should never be included for any faction except Elves and only scarcely.

>>95899076
the silliness gets added elsewhere, not in the fundamentals of the form of government
for example in carnival festivals with so many fireworks, dragon costumes and flying lanterns to make one dragon believe one of their brothers is breaking a truce and attacking territories under their tutelage, sparking a real bloody retaliation in the sky
or in the economy of gunpowder "blessed by the dragons themselves" which is actually just made from the guano that builds up below the floating mountains
or in the reverence towards the dragons at times reaching a point where a statue of a dragon can become a genuine political figure and somehow make decisions according to its trusted caretakers

>>95899152
Animated dragon statue controlled by the town prankster

>>95899163
the silliness is in the fact it doesn't even need to be animated, just a normal statue, recognised as a normal statue, that noone dares to oppose because it would be an insult to the real dragons, one accident or seeming miracle or eccentric royal is enough for the statue to reach a position of influence and then it's all intrigues between advisors and spokepersons.

>>95899152
This is retarded.

>>95899104
>A dragon (or a few dragons) seperated (or was exiled) from the heavenly courts around the time Sigmar was active, and moved to Nippon to form their own heavenly court with their own emperor.
>The shadow of Khorne smothers Nippon, leading to constant civil war and the rise of shoguns
>Eventually the Nipponese Emperors would be overshadowed by the shoguns, but to avoid incurring the wrath of the Nipponese dragons, the Shoguns kept the emperor as a ceremonial figurehead
>at some point relations between the Nipponese and Cathayan heavenly courts get so bad that they spurr their mortal subjects to battle, leading to warhammer version of the Imjin war

>>95899194
That’s just warhammer

>>95899194
You'll actually find how guano is an ideal resource for making gunpowder, and especially so it would be the guano of a large fire breathing carnivorous reptile.

>>95899194
fym this is perfect for the silliness of warhammer

>>95899210
I don't like to worldbuild nippon as also ruled over by dragons, my pitch for them is oriental bretonnia.

>>95898937
they got 2 underworlds bands, one hero, 2 sceneries and one warcry band, the latter in particular is a relatively important milestone for promising future support, beastmen didn't get that, not even some mainstay aos factions got one.

>>95899249
>one hero
2 heroes, ogres got more support than beastmen all around

>>95899151
Wrong. Bretonnian Damsels and Vampire Countesses are quintessential Warhammer Fantasy and have been for decades.

>>95899270
Those are innately feminine concepts; basic footsoldiers, or even elite regiment, are not, it adds nothing to make them women, even as an option, because the option inevitably weighs on the design and bits.

>>95899023
>remove all the magic and fun until there's nothing left but peasants

fuck you and the horse you rode in on. o god damn HATE the mudcore grimderp everything must suck historical wank crowd that moved in during 6th edition. its warhammer FANTASY. not warhammer peasants in shit. wizards, dragons, enchanted runes, demons, giant aztec dinosaurs.

the mudcore obsession is the worst thing to happen to this fanbase i fucking swear to god.

>>95899227
that's more or less the approach taken by the old Warhammer army project supplement and the older versions of the Warmaster list. they've also got limited access to daemons (reskinned as oni and tengu) that gives them a distinct character.

>>95899303
Wood elves having a fairly even mixture is Moreso due to low population and in lore them only fighting when its in need or to save themselves I think is fine. It also helps diversify a relatively limited range of models.

I did feel Cathay was not quite fitting the setting until I read the alternate ideas people ITT have. Now I'm glad we got what we got.

>>95899326
I am just glad the battalion isn't a fomo box

>>95899330
GW will probably not produce enough so it sell out for two months

>>95899326
We didn't get that though, we got what they wrote, despite any of the coping.

>>95899334
Are you stupid?

>>95894696
>Warhammer is better when "chaos" is just northern barbarian tribes with the absolute most vaguest hints at some sort of unholy intervention
Warhammer was never that though.

>>95899305
NTA but there's a happy balance to be found there. you want the magic, and you need the background of mundane to contrast it and provide context. a manticore is a lot less cool if there's no regiment of vanilla human spearmen to eat.
you also need to keep the magic on enough of a leash that it doesn't slippery slope in to AOS flying shaerk horseshit.

>>95899326
contrarianism is one hell of a drug, isn't it?

>>95899319
elf units have had female bodies mixed in for 30+ years. that anon is talking out his ass. female soldiers are rare in human armies, as you'd expect. but elves are elves.

>>95899333
Maybe, hopefully not

>>95899357
Unironically the sharks are a better concept than what people in this thread are suggesting. Imperial guard will be the death of this game come the next 5 years.

>>95899357
Idoneth are cool and they should double down on the sharks though.

>>95899357
yeah, no flying sharks, just an entire civilation of aztec lizardmen riding dinosaurs controlled by psychic frogs that can move mountains with spells and were created by interdimensional aliens

much more traditional

i swear to god you purists miss the spirit of warhammer entirely. warhammer is as over the top as sigmar, sometimes even more so, and the over the top is the point. the god damn perrys obsession with historical influences was a blight on fantasy that took it away from its dungeons and dragons roots and tried to shape it into some dull tin soldier historical lite. repulsive.

>>95899410
that's a faction of nonhumans, they are allowed to be different from humans in the extent they can reach, specifically because they have to contrast the more traditionally grounded humans.

>>95899424
oh you mean the human faction of warriors sealed in runic demon infused armor that no longer need to eat or drink or shit and exist on pure hell energy until they eventually mutate into an unrecognizable glob of flesh or ascend to satanic apotheosis as a giant winged demon?

yeah, pretty grounded

4th edition lore where all the evil armies were chaos oriented (except orks) is better, because it changes chaos from a specific team to a general name for evil

>>95899472
No, those are practically nonhumans too.

Undead are nonhumans too, before you ask.

>>95899494
Weren't orcs already kind of their own thing by 4th?
Did you mean 3rd?

>>95899494
The real Witch Elves.

>>95899526
Nope I'm retarded you said that
I think undead were also split this edition tho.
3rd iirc was the everything bad was chaos aka existing army plus horns

>>95899305
>>95899410
You know the setting is just early modern earth but with silly fantasy critters and people are pagans instead of christians right

>>95899249
>>95899261
Don't forget they spam ogres in other factions.
Zombie ogres for vampires, shield ogres for cities, berserker ogres for Chaos.
Few years ago those random ogrs were more plantyful than dedicated ogre releases

>>95899509
>oh yeah its super grounded and gritty and realistic
>except for those
>and those dont count
>oh and ignore that faction too
>you know what just ignore all the factions except the 2 im thinking about

proving my point for me every time you shift the goalposts

I like fantasy less and less the more I enter these threads

>>95899564
It's a wave of tourists
We had a pretty chill general sans perryfaggot for a good while since the inital TOW launch. Bunch of models, games, and lore was posted without all the edge. Now it's summer and we have a new release so all the shitheads are here spamming random shit. Come back in 2 months and it will be back to pretty chill as ultimately if you're not playing games or making an army TOW isn't that engaging since we don't get forceful lore like the other GW titles.

>>95899552
The goalpost hasn't shifted, you are just to dumb to understand where it is in the first place, I'm not even the anon you were talking to in the first place, but it's a point only the genuine retards or the wilfully disingenuous can miss.

>>95899509
So there are 2 human factions in warhammer and have never been more that what 3? empire bertonnia and dogs of war

>>95899594
>>95899509
>just completely ignoring the largest human faction that was so strong it won warhammer fantasy

>>95899594
5 with (warmaster) araby and kislev, 6 now with cathay, yes.

>>95899472
>no longer need to eat or drink or shit and exist on pure hell energy
I remember the sealed in armor part, but not this. Is this some of the crap from later editions, or was it there early on?

>>95899023
Yeah, I think so. At least have it be something like they're sleepy as are all dragons so they frequently go to sleep for a long time during which periods Cathay gets spicy

>>95899536
4thdead were tied to chaos, but not outright chaos worshippers, which is ideal in terms of making the setting feel cohesive. Characters like Kemmler and Krell were explicitly leading a chaos undead army, Nagash is said to have made pacts with evil gods and to be more alike in nature to a chaos demon than a man due to his use of warpstone, and it suggests as an idea for an undead army, a human army that perished in the chaos wastes that spontaneously was animated by the power of chaos (including giving an example of a kislev army animated in such a way that fights against the legions of chaos). Making them metaphysically anti-chaos in the later editions when they are the spontaneous result of dark magic (literally just chaos juice) was pants on heads retarded

>>95899638
part of the description for chaos worshippers after they became lame and gay chaos dwarf equipped clones instead of silly little unique guys who all congregated in the north

>>95899584
how out of touch are you to think summer still matters

>>95899509
> Goalpost.gif

>>95899661
True, I was never really able to square how dhar was chaos magic unless it was used for necromancy, in which case it was the same wind but just non-chaotic.

>>95899227
If your pitch for anything is

>*thing that already exists in the setting* + a slight twist

It's ass. Different factions should Different not just variations on the same idea. Even brettonia isn't just "empire but knights" it's got an entire differently structured society, a completely different way of engaging with warfare and magic and different themes and asthetics.

>>95899509
So then shouldn't cathay be fine since they're ruled by non-humans?

>>95899305
thats not what i said at all. I just thought that removing the knockoff primarchs would improve Cathay

>>95899305
And now I think this >>95899055 and this >>95899104 are much better ideas

>>95899334
He's saying that everyone's suggestions itt are even worse than what GW is doing to the point where what GW's doing is actually good by comparison

>>95899410
>warhammer is as over the top as sigmar
my dude if you seriously can't tell the difference between the fantasy of old Warhammer that was made by creative people who gave a fuck, and the boiled down committee designed slop that GW has been pushing since the early 2000s I don't know what to tell you. It's not the same. doesn't matter how many strawmen you build, doesn't matter how many redshirts you bring in to reinforce the GW defense force. it's shit, and nobody wants it.

>>95899527
>khorne elves
Neato

>>95899424
So than why do you take issue with idoneth? They're non-human

>>95899527
It's funny because cover art features Khorne wicth elves, but book never mentions Khorne and Witch Elves are followers of Khaine.

>>95899756
>since the early 2000s
Warhammer has been shit for 25 years?

>>95899758
khornate elves are just khaine elves, slaanesh elves are obvious, what would tzeentch and nurgle elves look like?

>>95899715
I'm not sure if it is that clear cut? Non-chaos spirits and gods are as I understand it, sometimes also described as ultimately originating from the chaos energies as well. Chaos is of course chaotic so it makes sense to me that sometimes it results in some things that go against the general trend in the realm of chaos (chaos undivided and the four big gods).

>>95899756
>creative people
>who gave a fuck
GW back then admittedly did care about the community, but to say warhammer was creative when they were just copying everything, oh er- sending "love letters" to other works is wrong. If they were really creative they wouldnt have had to re-do the setting 4-6 times.

Holy fuck where are the CATHAY LEAKS THERE IS NO OTHER REASON TO COME TO THIS SHIT HOLE

>>95899769
Burgled Elves are Isha Elves.
Tzeentch?
Uh, the lore guys from Saffry. Essentially you have a "good" chaos elf for the four gods if you really want to stretch the definition of some things.

>>95899826
Miao doesn't have an OF to leak, sorry anon. It's all already online.

>>95899732
No, the faction is ultimately made of normal humans.

The next BL release for TOW will be about cathay characters and will show how fucked up the "great" empire truly is. Trust the plan

Any dwarven brother here who have had success using doomseekers?
Waiting on 3 models to arrive and really looking forward to painting them.
Looking at their profile I believe they should be effective guarding the back line or artillery against flyers and fast movers but at the same time they need to die so I don't lose points.
Any tips?

>>95899942
Honestly a BL book about Miao Ying might actually be interesting.

>>95900071
It's pretty much a must at this point. If you're going to constantly wank the new faction and their dragons then you've got to show us them in action soon, right?

>>95899826
TOW content creators are less numerous than 40k ones so its much easier to trace, so nobody wants to be the first and get caught.

>>95899763
No, they're elves, but breach the normality set by the other 3 elves, and the models make a poor job at selling the concept of the aether sea.

With a few considerations they wouldn't be so out of place as some can argue though.

>>95899942
Anon, it's time to stop coping like that, they've been pretty clear that the lack of issues in cathay isn't incidental but purposeful.

>>95899410

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT THE TWINS

>>95899410
>warhammer is as over the top as sigmar,
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it an 8

>>95900128
I don't think any current GW writer can tackle writing cathay with the feelings of the sensibility team in mind, the self loathing would make them feel like everything they write is offensive and proper cathay could only be written by a chinese author.

Which is why if there's going to be a directive to publish a book about cathay, it will actually be about an imperial point of view in the borders of the empire, where the protagonist simply gets to witness a cathayan military convoy in the old world, with no actual worldbuilding about cathay or characterisation of its people beyond "this unit scythed through [enemy worf] with perfect skills" and "this chink dragon primarch repeats her introduction and states her goal"

>>95899151
wrong because women with abs is my fetish and I am going to make my entire army my harem

>>95900229
have they actually mentioned having a sensibility team

>>95899942
>>95900071
Why would it show how fucked up Cathay is when it isn't, they said it right in the newest post

>>95900275
yes

>>95899942
>land ruled by a benevolent god
Of course It's great, just like Ulthuan is great.

>>95894696
I personally really like Chaos as the enemy within. Chaos should, of course, be more than just that, just as it should be more than just the Norse. The greatest champions of Chaos don't necessarily hail from the marauder tribes, just as the champions who come from the weak and pathetic south aren't always weak and useless. Anyway, my point is, make your own chaos champions and sorcerers! And give them names! Then they'll be real named characters and their glories (and failings) will be yours, not GW's. They might kill a dragon, only to die right after. They might shatter an orc warboss' chariot to bits with a single swing. They might even get ate by another dragon while their retinue of chosen warriors watches on in horror, but no matter what happens, they'll still be your characters. Don't limit yourself to only having a chaos lord who comes from some unknown tribe from the northern wastes! Write up your own story, and who cares what GW has to say about it?

>>95894261
She's not ovulating on a Slaaneshi cock

>>95900319
lol

>>95899942
I think that has already been pre-announced at this point

Can Tzaangors rank up on 25mm squares?

>>95900678
As soon I find my instruction booklet and assemble mine I'll let you know. Christ I hate these new kits.

>>95900307
How did we get into the mindset where three people (one of whom is apparently Jess Goodwin's daughter) decided that the right thing to do was introduce a new faction more powerful than any of the others and at odds with the entire vibe of Warhammer? Like I'm trying to follow the thought process where this seems like a good idea.

Square based discussing Cathay now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU7lSv8DUWU

>>95900837
First rules

>>95900837
Nice at least we know if the rules will be any good.
>they do have a chaos armor ward
>they have a universal casting buff
lmao

>>95900837
Jesus Christ the entire army gets your choice of +1 movement +1 initiative // +1 weapon +1 leadership skill?

They actually have WS5 basic troops, this is so fucked.

>Ld 10 rerolling panic tests by default
Uh-huh, yep, OK. Everyone else pays for veteran but yeah.

>>95900852
LD9-10 everywhere
gay
>>95900859
2 wizards and once a turn for a plus one I don't think will break the meta
>will of the dragon units
im betting basically everyone gets this

>>95900876
Is that with the special wind buffs or without them?

>>95900897
The spells look nuts too. 2D6+2 S4 -1AP magic missile at 21" that all your Yang casters can have. Man I hate this so much, are they seriously doing a power creeping new faction?

>>95900876
The strongest force in Warhammer is Chinese women.

>>95900909
The starter factions were op as fuck, you think they wouldn’t pull the same shit here?

Pre-ordering only one battalion.
Because Cathay will be needed.
And when nerfed, like Tau, wacfags that mass bought will dump them.for cheap.

>>95900905
That's with, but both of the buffs are good and both of the choices of the buffs are good. It's entirely free real estate. I can't even think of another TOW army that just has like global great buff like this. Even Brets have to give something up for their blessing.

>>95900909
that one and the anti wood elf one are just broken. 2 pages in and we already have a sin book not a bin book

>WS6 S4 jade warriors
>12" aura buff +1WS and +1S from the wizard

>The Chinese faction are a bunch of Chaos Warrior knock offs

Will this really get chinese people to buy official GW cathay minis and play warhammer? Otherwise what the fuck lmao

It's insanely funny you can easily get your basic troops up to WS6.

>>95900923
The movement debuff one is actually even stronger. That is a crazy spell.

>d6 random movement
lololololol fuck off

>>95900945
Cast on a 10 with a +5 to cast with no magic item support btw

>>95900953
i guess instant dispel items just went up in stock

>>95900837
I don't care about ecelebs anon, I want your honest opinion not theirs. Even the hyperbolic vitriol of anons in this thread who want Cathay to be anti-chinese propoganda or empire 2: more brown is more valuable to me than a YouTuber

>>95900959
I mean just read what's on the screen man, they look cracked.

How the fuck are my wood elves going to compete with this

Oh wow, Cathayan Dragon as a generic option.

>>95900963
Oh it's rules, I thought you were linking an opinion piece. My apologies.

>>95900984
I beg your fucking pardon

>>95900977
Never mind Wood Elves, how the fuck are Chaos Warriors supposed to compete with this?

Hard to imagine this isn't just going to be 2 dragons and 1000pts of other stuff.

>>95900990
Yep, it's on the list. 0-1 Cathayan Dragon per 1,000 points. Not only special character dragons.

>>95900996
>Yep, it's on the list. 0-1 Cathayan Dragon per 1,000 points. Not only special character dragons.
Cathay is going to be turbo peg green knight gay isnt it?

You probably do want a shugengan general just so you can squeeze a sentinel in as a special choice with the current limited roster, honestly.

>>95900996
They did say that the Dragons are the named characters like a Primarch equivalent, implying there will be more

>6 Cannons
lol

>>95901021
Well, same as Empire.

>Kill the dragon
>lol jk

Holy shit, when you kill the dragon it survives in human form with d3 wouinds.

>>95901037
Feel like its not too bad considering that means you'll just kill it next turn anyways.

Free 6" command phase movement when they transform from human to dragon or vice versa too.

>>95900977
by conceding turn 1 and then trying to get another game
we cant even snipe the fucker in dragon form cause it turns into a character and would be liable to lone character rules

>>95901039
You're never going to kill these. They freely recover D3 wounds by switching forms whenever they like. They get to escape combat with no checks by switching forms too, and get a free 6" move when they do.

This game just went to shit.

>100x150 base
>Placed within 6 inches
>12 inch teleportation
Hahahahaha

lmao man
>gets to be M8 just to get around falcon horns
>will literally never die because of free healing and movement

>>95900924
What’s the point cost of a Jade warrior vs a chaos warrior?

>ws8 I6 dragon that turns back into a human
jajajaja

>>95901055
Lmao nevermind didnt see the free escape combat rule. Wtf GW

>>95901074
level2 when dragon
hahahaha

>Miao is easily the strongest dragon in the game.
>Is only 20 points more expensive than FUCKING GALRAUCH
Cathay numba wun.

>miao ying costs less than a chaos lord on dragon and trivially kills one

>>95901074
So why is the model not being released until the second AJ?

Fuck this book

>>95901086
strikes first on a dragon.....lol

>the dragons strike first
lmao I should have gone further with my trolling

Kneel.

>>95901092
This is so fucking funny. What are they thinking

Cathay is now the only army where it acceptable to bring multiple dragon lords against.

>>95901108
Bro it doesn't matter. They bring the same number and theirs are much better and cost less.

>>95894034
Is that the podcast I see where the one guy looks like the most unbearable millennial making "funny" faces and baseding out in every intro? I've click on their videos a few time and always have to close them before they get past the intro because of that charisma vacuum.

YOU CANT EVEN CHALLENGE HER, YOU HAVE TO PASS A LD CHECK IF YOU'RE NEAR HER TO DECLARE ONE LMAO

I can't believe she's cheaper than mounted dragon lord, that's actually hilarious.

>>95901119
A Ld test at -2.

>>95901104
it's Gweilo anon

>>95894156
Isn't there 2 completely new elf factions and weird looking new Orcs? The 2 dwaves also have completely new ranges don't they? WHat does "pure" mean in this context?

>>95901119
You can't use the general's leadership either. This is like fanfiction. The mighty cathayan dragon is simply too scary for the bretonnian grail knight lord or chaos lord to think about challenging.

Nah
I'm not facing this

she gets 2 signature spells cause she's just THAT GOOD

I've been very much on the side of "wait and see before doomposting" and holy shit 3 pages of rules of army deleting dragon in im fucking done

>+1WS and +1Ld and 6++ ward for 1 point a model
>WS7 basic troops
>chaos marks cost 2ppm

>>95901162
BECAUSE OF COURSE SHE WOULD!

Confirmation celestial guard are just a points upgrade to jade soldiers though, so prob no separate models for them.

>my trolling ass saying jade warriors are base WS5
>in reality you can push them to WS7
Funniest army release of all time.

>their wizard levels are 5 points cheaper to upgrade than any other army for literally no reason

>Miao is the Old World counterpart to AoS Morathi

>>95901185
And 7 wounds
Because fuck you

>280 points for a level 4 flying T5 W7 3+ 5++ combat character

>>95901188
Miao could have stopped the End Times on her own.

>>95901201
It's more that both are unkillable and have a human and monster form.

>>95901119
>YOU CANT EVEN CHALLENGE HER, YOU HAVE TO PASS A LD CHECK IF YOU'RE NEAR HER TO DECLARE ONE LMAO
>>95901135
>You can't use the general's leadership either. This is like fanfiction. The mighty cathayan dragon is simply too scary for the bretonnian grail knight lord or chaos lord to think about challenging.
At +2 too boot

Guy on the bottom seems to think all of this is acceptable

Why do all the characters have strike first on their weapons lmao

>>95901216
He's just less hyperactive.

>>95901216
Guy on the bottom subsists off of getting stuff from GW (I do like him but he's definitely not unbiased).

>>95901229
Don't they rely on GW?

I actually think just running spam of the hero level version of this character is probably pretty good. Two simultaneously charging will clean up most units and they'll only be about 300-350~

>>95901233
Ngl you can tell they are trying to shill their best but no warhammer player wants to fight this shit. Their smiles are weakening.

How do we contact the designers to ask why they're doing this and what the motivation is behind ruining the setting and game

>seething gweilos that don't even cultivate angry at simple outer disciples

>>95901241
You have to imagine this comes from the GW marketing department. This is by far the most pushed thing we've seen in TOW, this is actually game-breakingly powerful. No other army is going to compete. Everything we've seen so far is not only much stronger than its equivalent in other armies, it's also extremely cheap.

>gate master has higher ws than a high elf prince or chaos lord

>>95901270
Chaos Lords are 7, anon

>>95901258
Matt ward is mocking us for being so harsh on him about 7th from his metaphysical grave

Reminder that we are living with this Cathay from now on. No point changes, no stat changes, this is what we expect from now on.

>>95901273
Yeah, he goes to 8 with will of the dragon.

>>95893693 (OP)
Boycott playing against Cathay and shit talk the lore and rules if the opportunity presents itself

I KNOW FOR A FACT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN KISLEV RULES THIS BULLSHIT!

>>95901280
I wouldn't be surprised if they FAQ this to be honest 6 months from now. Sell the kit then gut the git is their business model in 40k and AoS

The fact the generic sword you can give every character for 4 points gives S+1 AP-1 STRIKE FIRST is absolutely hilarious. Picking up this sword makes you an elven lord.

>>95901298
Horus heresy has had its shit ass meta since day 1

>>95900852
The elemental wind thing feels like an age of sigmar or nu40k army, very gay

>>95901309
seems decent

>>95901309
just wish the Monkey King appeared as a model

>>95901315
It's the best expensive magic weapon in the game.

>want to play Cathay
>gonna get called a WAACfag degenerate
I just like Xiang Yu and 3K, fuck

>They have a Great Weapon the lacks Strikes Last, but gained Regen 5+
What is this army?

Magic weapons don't seem to crazy
70 points for a great weapon and regen 5+ isn't too crazy, you get your standard dragon lord triple save

>>95901326
It's basically just a variant ogre blade.

>>95901319
just make a purpuseally shit list
With the way Cathay rules are going, it will still be decently competitive.

I will not be playing cathay players

>>95901329
I agree so far. I'm really interested to see if the troops are as pushed as the characters.

>>95901216
These two's entire existence is subsisting on people giving a shit about old world, they can't shit talk it

Why is their gunpowder apparently better than Dwarfs (retroactively) if Chinese gunpowder was terrible?

>>95901309
>meanwhile warriors
>go hero yourself

Comparing the longmas to any other character in the game is just mind-numbing.

>Skaven turn off flying for 65 points
>Cathay turns off flying for 35 points
coolcoolcoolcool

>>95901344
the CCP demanded Cathay be better than the Dwarfs Gweilo

This is 4d chess from a racist in the design team to get the community to shun cathay players and drive down sales of the anti racist army

>>95901293
They will, you'll get your dues soon

I hope Cathay players enjoying playing at civil war because those are the only games I see them getting

>>95901319
if you were a genuine fan of chinese history you'd see Cathay for the shallow flanderization that it is.

>commentators literally just laughing at how broken the book is now

>-3leadership to challenge with the banner
Oh boy

Is the Cathay lore really that bad?

>>95901092
>>95901074
You're not even going to see Miao Ying at any tournments. Her model isn't even coming out for next couple of months.

>>95901374
As though every other faction isn't? don't be stupid, this isn't a historical game it's fantasy flanderisation

>>95901134
yeah Lumineth, Idoneth, Kharadron Overlords, Fyreslayers, Stormcast, Ossiarch Bonereapers, and now Orruk Warclans are 100% models released for AoS, no Fantasy leftovers involved. Several other armies are almost there too.

>>95901384
People will just proxy her.

>basically a lvl 3 wizard with rust with infinite uses for 35 points

im genuinely triggered by all this, Im not sure if I want to play against this at all

>25point common magic gives you terror

>>95901379
It doesn't exist yet until the AJ happens, you can read into the fluffer hype piece articles like anons here are want to do and declare this a Chinese hyperborea

The dragon will be -1 to hit too
lmao

>>95901403
At a certain point you have to laugh man. This is 7e daemons all over again. They will either be fixed or the game will die from it.

>>95901385
>maw shard
no fucking way

>>95901375

>>95901379
Better than Dwarfs at gunpowder, soldiers "equal to the elite soldiers of the armies of the west", best dragons (Primarchs), perfect and harmonious society. Not one flaw mentioned yet, no Chaos influence etc (likely retconned).

>>95901407
Ah okay. I’ll judge for myself when the AJ is out.

>>95901412
Was GW really desperate to sell Demons in 7e?
Cathay really just feels like a faction they fluffed up in the crunch to get Netplayer to buy models

>>95901317
in the recent Warcom article they mentioned that they specifically avoided doing any Journey to the West stuff because they know Chinese people have already seen a million versions of it.

And besides, that's Lumineth territory

>>95901395
With what? A Gunpla? Nobody has created any proxy sculps for her.

I actually like the idea of another culture not subscribing to the eight winds concept and it by extension not being so clear cut as it was in the past

>>95901430
With a fresh, steaming turd. That's the most appropriate representation.

>>95901415
GW NEEDS to justify her inevitable +$300 (+£220) price tag.

>>95901430
With the DG1 Oriental Dragon from Citadel of course

>>95901430
>With what? A Gunpla?
hell yeah

Yeah the basic troops have will of the dragon. You can get them to WS7.

4+ rerolling 1s for 8 points

>>95901446
Isn't that model a little small?

>>95901460
maybe but it would be tornement legal in Warhammer World

>>95901459
3+ once the errata comes out. Still not that great, although they clearly mog state infantry. They can be buffed to some pretty absurd levels, and getting drilled for only 9ppm is really good. Halberds might actually be the play with them.

>>95901430
>Go to Etsy
>Type Asian Dragon
Done

>>95901459
8pts free weapons ld8 rerolls fucking hell

Someone tell me how fast the balloon lantern thing is. I want my concerns and well-argued points about flying units being annoying to be vindicated.

>>95901474
Bro they specifically gave all the flying monsters in this army base movement 8 just to get around all the anti-flying stuff.

Think you just make jade lancers your core honestly.

>>95901074
>>95901092
>>95901162
>>95901415
Isn't Miao Ying SUPPOSED to be Primarch level of power?

5 wide cavalry with 11 attacks that always get lances if you manage to GG

I gotta wonder what their internal playtests were like

If you kneel to the CCP you too could get busted rules

>2d6 from cannon impact is -1 movement
I fucking give up

So you take 4-6 of these.

>>95901493
Its not just Miao Ying, the Shugengan lord could bend over a daemon prince and fuck him up the ass while being 100pts cheaper

>>95901474
considering nobody is doomposting about it specifically I guess it must be fine :^)

>>95901503
They don't playtest.

>>95901502
I don't think jade lancers or jade soldiers are busted but you just use them to fill out minimum core in this army and go all-in on the busted stuff either. The cannons are unbelievably obnoxious.

>>95901506
>>95901509
Welcome back Chaos Dwarf Dreadquake Mortar

>>95901493
Why should she be more powerful than a chaos lord on dragon while being cheaper?

>>95901521
100pts less than the mortar btw.

Ogre is an Engineer and lets them fire twice...

>>95901518
>They don't playtest.
Seems like a bad idea for a company that sells Wargames to people

Oh all the cannons get to shoot twice once a game, cool. The ogre isn't even bad because it stops your artillery crew getting picked off from like harpies.

>>95901525
Because she's a NAMED Legendary Lord character while the chaos lord is a nameless generic lord character.

>>95901493
I thought none of the fantasy characters were supposed to be primarch level at all because they're on completely different scales but I don't pay enough attention desu

>>95901532
Oh boy 12 cannons shots yaaaah
:(

>>95901511
Don't even worry about the lord, look at the fucking general. 145 points for that!

>>95901534
GW arent a wargames company, they are a miniatures company

>>95901521
Welcome back Hellcannon

>>95901552
Then why even produce rules?

>>95901544
She also effortlessly beats the shit out of Galrauch and barely costs any more, who is also a named legendary character

>>95901556
Too bad GW is moving Chaos Dwarfs to Age of Sigmar.

>>95901521
man chorf and Kislev release is gonna be BUSTED

>the sky lantern is T5 7W 4+ heavy chariot

The lantern has impact hits. That's just silly

>>95901573
It's also unbreakable and seriously tough with a magistrate giving it a ward save.

1200 points of cathay vs 2000 points of anything else might be fair and I'm not joking

>>95901564
Galrauch only cost $85.00. GW is not selling Miao Ying for anything less than $200.

>>95901544
Okay but 200 points cheaper?

>>95901577
Most Behemoths don't get impact hits but a lantern bumps into you and suddenly you take hits

Also it has scouts lol. Cathayan army shoots 12 times with cannons round 1, slows your army to nothing, bombards you with sky lanterns for a round, then finishes you off with incredibly OP special characters. It's actually almost impossible to convey how broken the dragon movement rule is.

40 points for lrd 9 bubble immune to things turn off inspiring pres lol

I gave up on this travesty months ago, but I can't even laugh at you sorry fucks anymore. Just dump and boycott it and go back to 8e.

>>95901573
>mighty warriors of chaos crashed to death by a hot air balloon

This army is never not rerolling a panic or rally test.

>>95901573
We laugh at china putting Styrofoam in girders but apparently their paper would suffice

empire road wardens have to pay for feigned flight and the paper balloon isn't even flammable.

Orion is fucking 455 points

>>95901599
Dog, your mighty chaos warriors aren't even getting to balloon, they are getting turned into Swiss cheese and losing in combat to basic foot infantry

I told you the lantern was going to be insane just because it's a huge flying thing with bombs. S5 -2AP large blast template is going to kill most non-monster things in the game.

Cathay has a literal airforce lol

I was enjoying basing my guys on 25s instead of 20s but I guess oh well

135 fucking points for the lantern.

>>95901605
>Fly (8)
I called it. I fucking called it, and an anon called me a whiner.

>>95901605
It's extremely funny that it's not flammable. How much does a gyrocopter cost again?

>>95901631
No one but the mentally disturbed could have forseen this to be fair.

>5d3 shots with 0 penalty
>5 jezzail shots without the risk of blowing yourself up

>>95901623
Never too late to go back. New models fit on 20s just fine, btw, even the supposedly fuckhueg ones people here told me won't rank up.

>in addition to the bombs and the flying T5 4+ save chariot it can also shoot 5 S6 AP-2 or 5d3 S3 AP-1 at BS4 (one at BS5)

>>95901638
I mean the sentinel is probably going to be busted too but yeah if you just had to fill up rare with this you'd be happy.

I was like 'oh at least the sentinel only has 3 attacks' but then I looked at the weapon rules.

>>95901639
not put these in any other configuration

>>95901639
Nah I'll play on and just simply avoid Cathay without some sort of pre agreement.

>>95901623
I've played a bunch of 8e games using my spaced movement trays, if youre in a casual setting playing with someone who isnt a faggot its not too hard to work out who can fight who unless you have a fat block of clanrats

>>95901655
So this is the premier monster killing monster now. Has a decent shot at taking wounds off a dragon lord too honestly.

>wood elves sisters lose their ability to pick spells
>cathayan monsters pick it up

>>95901638
of course, because there's no warpstone duh

>>95901547
Anon, Slaan are beyond Primarchs power level, Kroak is stupid OP.
But to be fair outside that maybe prime Archaon could maybe go toe to toe with Primarch, with all chaos buffs and all.
Of course power levels are all over the place with Horus being killed by random dude with magic sword, Lion put in coma by augmented human, or Storm of Chaos Grimgor losing to Crom who was Archaon's champion, after Archaon wiped floor with him without breaking any sweat, only for Grimgor to kick Archaon's ass later. Or Nagash being bigest and baddest non Slaan(well maybe just human because elves are crazy) mage, but got beaten like 2 times by living Nehekharans, then at height of his power was fucked over by skaven, only to return as skeleton lord and get fucked by Settra and Sigmar in same year.
When you think about it power levels are determined by plot desu.

How am I supposed to beat Cathay?

>>95901681
You don't

>6 cannons stop your army moving
>cathayan army blows you to pieces with magic
>anything that survives has to fight 2 sentinels and an unkillable dragon

>>95901681
Cooked dice and moving/returning models when your opponent isn't looking

>>95901681
By buying brand new Grand Cathay™ army.

>>95901673
>When you think about it power levels are determined by plot desu.
duh, Stan Lee said it best

Can chaos chosen warriors with great weapons crack a t7 steam tank?

>>95901681
legitimately don't, this is joke tier, you just don't play them

>>95901681

>>95901681
you attack them, duh

>>95901681
Smash his """models""" into little pieces with a brick, then use it on his worthless skull.

>>95901681
>How am I supposed to beat Cathay?
360 and walk away. If a tournament offer a walkover

>>95901716
>360 SPIN MOVE
>directly into his models
>declare victory
Better than rolling dice vs this shit

>>95901673
>When you think about it power levels are determined by plot desu.
Yeah it why "who would win?" questions are pointless since the answer is always.
> who does the writer want to win?

>>95901681
beat up the opping player in a street brawl

I don't even think this is good compared to what you can do in the army but it is really amusing to me you can
>base WS4 cathayan infantry
>+1 WS in a 12" aura from the wizard spell
>+1ppm to give a unit +1 WS from miao's special rule
>+1 WS globally from the winds of yin/yang thing
>WS7 basic infantry

>>95901757
Hits any non-Lord unit in the game on 3s and hits a hell of a lot of stuff on 2s

>>95901757
While you were practicing the blade I was getting bottomed by the dragon. While you sold your soul atop a pile of skulls I was smoking yin. While you were trying to control magic I simply let it in. And now my models are on the table and you have to audacity to ask for help?

>new army is overturned as hell to increase sales
last time with votann they fixed it fast, I doubt this will be touched at all
it's over

>>95901757
>>WS7 basic infantry
normal infantry is WS3, you are hitting on 2+ and getting hit on 5+

>>95901783
I think the average WS in the game is really either 4 or somewhere between 3 and 4. It will be helpful but it's really the least of what you have to worry about with this army, because committing those resources elsewhere is just a better rate of return.

>>95901573
>massed infantry crushed to death by a paper lantern with a fat bloke in it
The CCST can't keep getting away with it.

>>95901782
they had to do this after seeing what happened to aos

>>95901774
>While you sold your soul atop a pile of skulls I was smoking yin
Exalted champions of Khorne HATE this one simple trick!

>>95901783
Don't forget they have a 3+ rerolling 1s so even if you get to clapback you really don't

>>95901700
next general should use this image

>>95901798
>the massed infantry lose combat against the hot air balloon, after several of their number were crashed to death
>the balloon chases them and runs them down as they flee

There's no rule in TOW about being capped at a -1 to particular characteristics or characteristic modifiers from the same source not stacking, is there?

>>95901835
5 minute captcha wait for me. Will use it unless another anon makes a new thread

>miao ying
>500pts of elite drilled jade warriors
>3 cannons with ogre loaders
>2 sentinels

what now?

Cathay discussion ahoy
>>95901891
>>95901891
>>95901891

>>95901662
Nah ghorgon is still better, it gets 7 monster killer attacks instead of three, and multiwounds on a monster killer is redundant

>>95901557
Because rules help sell miniatures

>>95901319
I just planned on painting them and getting Miao when she comes out.

>>95901989
same I suppose, I doubt I ever would've really taken them anywhere for a game

>>95901783
Normal infantry is ws4, only chaff is ws3-2

>>95901493
it's fun that she's just Yao Ming transposed8tvyh