Previously:
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Cute Edition
>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025
>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta
>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned
>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com
>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com
>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com
>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com
>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com
TQ: Post kino win conditions
Anon bm'd all over that thread
>tq
squishing your opponent like an insect
Oops, wrong backlink to last thread
Correct (bm filled one):
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>>95906763 (OP)Please dont take my boy from me PLEASE hes my only creature please dont do it
Take any good bm's lately?
>>95906797It's bm to ask about bm. anyways I gotta go buy some diapers for my bm
>>95906805Hope you have a good bm
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>>95906763 (OP)>TQ: Post kino win conditionsThis, but without all the cards that cheese it
>zoomies this mad they didnt know a very common acronym
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Your commanders? My commanders now. We love theft here
>TQ
If you don't let me kill you all with Walking Ballista I'm dropping a nuke
If I make non-legendary copies of Lightning and trigger her effect with the copies, can I still cast the spells if the copy dies and the original stays alive? Or is each exiled card attached to only that copy?
>player in group says blue and black are the most toxic colors and full of bad game design and hates playing against them and white isn't much better
I'm feeling spiteful. What's the worst salt I can mine from a game in Gruul?
>>95906908Cards that name themselves really just say "this card". So you can "cast those spells for as long as you control this card". So if the card leaves, you don't get to cast that spell
>>95906908Any card that references [card name] refers only to that instance of that card and only so long as it is on the battlefield and doesn't change zones.
>smol bean player at the table
>whines when you hit him because he missed a land drop
>whines when you hit him because all he has is a mana dork
>whines when you hit him because he's being mana flooded
>target him exclusively and say that his attempts to aim players away from him makes it sound like he's setting up for a surprise win
>do this every game until they learn to stop whining and learn to be more aggressive
>>95906914Your friend is right about black at least. White is annoying but not nearly as bad. Blue, green, and red are fine.
>>95906914picrel as your commander with static and winter orb
>>95906941>nontoken artifactgod it would've been so much better if you could use treasure/blood/clue/etc
>>95906934People really, irrationally hate counter spells.
>>95906921>>95906919Yeah I was afraid some cards are worded like "If you control a card named Lightning" versus how it's worded for this one.
I'm looking for any cards in FIN that might work with my Delina Wild Mage deck. The deck doesn't use much equipment so there's not much to use in mono-red or colorless.
Seifer Almasy might be useful for letting my commander get an attack off, then copies of him can trigger their abilities.
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>TQ
Tick tock bitches
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>>95906973It needs to explicitly say "a creature named ___" for the name to matter. And then you'd be able to play those spells no matter what if you'd have at least one creature with that specific name. See pic rel
>>95906997>TFW I built this deck but never played it
>>95907009I have a basic bracket 1.5-2 lifegain tribal deck and it's great fun. It's nice to just turn the brain off and stop caring about complex interactions and just do combat
>>95906763 (OP)>TQI run it in my bumbleflower ramp+big dick finishers deck
>>95906997>At the beginning of your end step, each hoe slapped by a pimp named A Pimp Named Slickback gets slapped again.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>95907023Love anything that generates X number of tokens without me having to pay X
Is there any way to force an opponent to play an epic spell or give them all copies of one and then counter your own?
>>95906831That fag is such bullshit with Edgar.
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>>95907070There's always ol' reliable. There's spells out there that say something like "whenever you cast a spell, everyone else copies it" or something to that effect, I think? But I believe it's a "may"/optional thing
>>95907036Slickback? That's what i said.
>>95907070Hive Mind and Negation Pact yours.
>>95907023There is no greater joy in life than using pic related on Storm Herd in my Elminster deck.
>>95906831Theft is for troons
>>95906831>I'm touching your cards and you can't stop me!Genuine troon behavior
>theft is a bowel movement strategy
theft is based when I do it
>>95907183>>95907168Participation trophy fags
I run Control Magic, Mind Control, and Confiscate in each of my decks with blue. If you wanna seethe and scoop to it then yeah sure I'll treat it as a "Remove target player from the game" card and count it as a victory
I've got 4 extra turn spells but a lot of draw so it's not unusual to get an extra turn and then draw into another one and chain them together like that, which isn't fun for anyone and is probably outside of the realm of what my deck should be doing in my regular pod's power level.
Should I cut extra turns for fogs so I can stay in bracket three? I figure a fog is basically like a riskier extra turn spell, keeping me alive for another round. We're in combat meta, not combo meta. Though I guess aristocrats and stuff will fuck me up just as bad.
>>95907258I wish I could be socially unaware enough to post stuff like this and think it sounds like an own.
>>95907278I don't wish I could be so fucking autistic that I get mad at the mere idea of people using my cards during a game.
>>95907240Not beating the "cEDH is for troons" allegations
>>95907287Said the man so autistic that he doesn't understand the difference between "can" and "should"
I run Lightning Bolt, Fireball, and Chaos Warp in each of my decks with red. If you wanna seethe and scoop to it then yeah sure I'll treat it as a "Remove target player from the game" card and count it as a victory
>>95907360why would you not run these cards in every red deck
>>95907360>>95907371Fireball fucking sucks, but other than that I think the joke is that you would run them in red decks.
>>95907311Huh? Theft is never played in cedh lol
>>95907258You gotta step it up, those are rookie cards
>>95907381Sure. The point is you said "participation trophy" as if there is something to be won here.
EDH is a battlecruiser format. You are not skilled for winning a 1v1v1v1, go play competitive 1v1, munchking
>>95907380Fireball does not fucking suck.
I run Giant Growth, Cultivate, and Harmonize in each of my decks with green. If you wanna seethe and scoop to it then yeah sure I'll treat it as a "Remove target player from the game" card and count it as a victory
>>95907399>sorcery speed>costs 1 more for each additional targetGay as fuck. There's even better X damage red spells lol
>>95907380>Fireball fucking sucksNon red player detected
>>95907397That is not what is being said at all. I am lampooning them for being from a nancypants generation anon. The random seethe and projection here is hilarious.
>>95907404>copies its effect for 1>badYou might be bad at children's card games
I run Healing Salve, Chaplain's Blessing, and Invoke the Divine in each of my decks with white. If you wanna seethe and scoop to it then yeah sure I'll treat it as a "Remove target player from the game" card and count it as a victory
>>95907388I need to remake my bernard theft deck
>>95906763 (OP)>TQ: Post kino win conditionsMy favorite way to win
>>95907360>Lightning BoltI run this in every red deck I own, and sometimes chaos warp, but fireball is trash. Lightning Bolt is the GOAT magic card.
>>95907447It's not copying the effect though.
The damage is divided between targets, damage that you're already way overpaying for.
Imagine paying twelve mana to do five damage to two targets. That's hilariously bad.
>>95907388A glorious addition to my collection. I thank you, dear anon
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>>95906983thanks for the counters fag
>>95906763 (OP)Brewing a deck that wins with this
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Ive been playing this non stop its a blast Mass Hysteria makes the table fuckin move
>>95906763 (OP)>Cute edition you say?
>>9590753312 mana for 10 damage total is good enough what are you talking about? That's on par with every XRR spell, and only Crackle and Comet Storm beat it out
>>95907589>damage doubler in the command zonezzzzz
I guess it's not a draw engine in the command zone at least.
I keep overpowering my pod and I'm trying to make a bracket 2 deck. I'm mostly going for thematics based around characters and art, but I keep ending up slightly too optimized. I think I just don't really have a good grasp of what qualifies for bracket 2 and what pushes it over the edge into bracket 3. My list technically qualifies for bracket 2 by all the qualifications and bracket calculators I can find, but I'm not sure what I need to change to make it less antagonistic to my friends.
Anyone have a good example of what a bracket 2 deck should look like? Seems like almost no one else plays at this level intentionally.
>>95907565I wouldn't even be mad, that would just be hilarious.
>>95907603just use Earthquake instead of being a coward
>>95907640Maybe I don't want to wipe my own board, or maybe I want to windmill slam 10 damage into a player. Fireball gives you options Earthquake doesn't.
>>95907565Why would you ever shuffle it into your library
>>95907615Just use all the cards you do in your other decks but find alternatives that cost an extra mana.
>>95907671when it's part of the 99.
>>95907671he's a finisher for your counter generator(s), not the commander
>>95907615>I think I just don't really have a good grasp of what qualifies for bracket 2Remove almost all interaction/removal. Take out a lot of draw engines. Put in funsies cards instead of cards that synergize with your commander/theme. Run definitely-less-optimal/efficient cards. And then understand that skilled players can beat newbies piloting bracket 4 decks with precons
>Seems like almost no one else plays at this level intentionally.There's no inoffensive way to put this: this is a VERY tryhard/sweaty/autistic mindset, and it makes me laugh at you.
>>95907652Comet Storm is better if you somehow can't find space for EQ but can find space for Fireball.
>>95907615How optimized is your deck?
If the answer is anything other than "I don't know", it's bracket 3.
>>95907817Rhystic Study buyer coping and trying to trick people into playing his containment bracket.
>>95907615Post some decklists anon no one cares about you jerking yourself off. Give us stuff to work with
>>95906763 (OP)>Post kino win conditionsThrowing my commander at someone.
>>95906914Dragon spam for free
>>95907864I exclusively play budget decks and even I'd admit my shit's bracket 3 or even low bracket 4, because I know my deck's are optimized and each card plays an important role. It just happens that combat tricks and 1/1 flyers are also really inexpensive and not game changers outside of the decks where they're relevant.
>>95907944This but replace UB with markov manor detectives, cowboy junction cowboys, bloomburrow mice, duskmourn cheerleaders, and aetherdrift racecars
>>95907615>Seems like almost no one else plays at this level intentionally.i'm sorry but you sound fucking INSUFFERABLE to play against.
>people don't like esper sentinel/rhystic study/smothering tithe i don't know whyyyyyyyy just let me play my cardsdude. i mean really.. DUDE.
>>95907603>12 mana for 10 damage total is good enoughHoly fucking shit, quit playing card games right now and go play Candyland or something.
Print it in paper cowards
>>95907603>>95907640>>95907652Have another one if your ambition ends at 2 targets anyway
>>95908074Tell me you've never played against blood artist or brash taunter without telling me you've never played against blood artist or brash taunter.
>>95908116as someone with a stuffy doll/spitemare/brash taunter style deck, those cards are USDA Choice
>>95908108wait, that's how they solved the eldrazi? chandra just fireballs them?
>>95908130If you read the flavor text its clearly part of a multi pronged attack
>>95908116>I'm not wrong!!!! what about this incredibly niche situation which you obviously wouldn't boardwipe huh????Impeccable logic, retard. Maybe I'll spot remove Blood Artist first then?
Just admit that you play at low power tables where Fireball is "good enough" and people will stop mocking you for listing it among legitimate red staples.
>>95908082Had me until "perpetually"
>>95908130yeah and the phyrexians were also solved in in ingenius way. they turned off the all-corrupting oil that seeps everywhere, just like that
>>95908116Considering you don't need to do 5 damage to remove a Blood Artist, I have no fucking idea what point you think you're proving.
Anyone else playing edh tonight?
>>95908158yeah just got back an hour ago, played for like 5 hours got some good games in, a good night overall
>>95908158I might. I dunno though. I'm pretty mopey tonight.
>>95908158going to commander night in 30 or so minutes, just gotta give my cat her insulin and i'm set
>>95908188Thanks for the blog update
>>95908158Nah, got a bm planned instead
Can someone give me lore for this character
Are you bringing a trade binder to magiccon? I have a small one going but idk how much to actually bring
>>95908332just look at her fucking wiki page you lazy dipshit
>>95908332you know cloud?
not how actual cloud is, but the way cloud is in crossovers and from fanart and stuff, so he doesn't have any of his character arc from the actual game.
that's lightning. except a girl. (cloud is a guy (despite what /gif/ would tell you))
>>95907168I’m not stealing I’m just borrowing your card for a bit, relax.
>>95908332looks like cloud but woman
has a gunblade like squall but lamer
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>>95907996ummm thir bloomburrow ith the beth thet ever
>>95907996>did you know UW...also sucks!wow brilliant the entire game is garbage now and you're celebrating because you can buy a piece of cardboard with your favorite brand on it
>>95908130Dumbest fucking thing they ever did
>store moves to a new bigger store they hype up
>move happens
>they have decided to add 40k to their games they carry and make 70% of the playroom for 40k shit
>card game players have very little room now
>EDH night the store around 20 excess people had to leave because half the store is just tables for the wargame fags who apparently have every night for themselves
My card game shop basically swapping focus to war games, which they never even carried before, is pretty annoying. The customer base was card games and board games and now it feels 80% warhammer.
>>95908158No unfortunately. My local lgs was full of weird people that I had never seen before, pioneer players and cedh players this evening so I packed up and went home soon after I arrived. I think it had something to do with final fantasy, but I have no idea what happened.
>>95908480sounds like they saw an unfilled niche
>>95908450>noooo other brands BADSorry your IP is great value tier.
>>95908486A smart move. Open for the niche and turn back all your previous dedicated customers so they go to another store. I'd make this business move for sure.
>>95908196You're welcome
I have arrived, decided to bring my Artifact binder in case anyone has anything I might want for trades
>>95908486Turning around 20 people away might not be the smartest move, unless they just come to play and don't actually buy anything at the store. But hopefully the owner knows what he's doing and the 40k fags actually keeps the light on in the store.
>>95908505>Making tradesI remember being poor
>>95908498>see there are plenty of stores that focus on card games and board games>see there are no stores that focus on 40K and other wargamin>know grognards spend piles and piles of money on their little plastic men>also know people who buy Magic and Pokemon cards by the truckload barely play, and that people who do actually play are a small fraction of those who buy, if they even buy>especially those dirty commander players who keep advocating for buying singles or proxying instead of gambling on the packs you sell
Any opinions on this Terra summons deck? Disregard the sideboard
https://moxfield.com/decks/A8RWFJowVUScO1PC0dN9JA
>>95908511It do be, I have like 8 copies of Unwinding Clock so maybe someone will want one of those
>>95908487ok, lemme just throw Darth Vader into a Lord of the Rings sequel, after all crossovers are always a positive thing that everyone loves!
>>95908527That sounds based as fuck
>>95908367What do you even do with this? You always get a worse creature
If an (infinite) two card combo does nothing to advance board state and I have no intention of doing it does that count for no intentional 2 card combos in bracket 3?
>>95908527It's more akin to Link and Darth Vader making an appearance in Soul Caliber, I'd say. Not plot relevant and no real need to tell another story, but generally mechanically unique. Or if you're into nintendies, imagine Cloud getting into Smash
>>95908551Reminder smash is only popular because it is a crossover fest
>>95908551nobody asked you
>>95908511Trading is more fun and satisfying than buying.
>>95908616And more time consuming
>that guy who pauses the fucking EDH game or pays 0 attention because he is trying to trade with 5 people while playing
>>95908550by strict adherence to the brackets, it is not at two, even if it makes you lose the game.
>>95908618Are you a jew? Do you minmax your life?
>>95908618Good way to spend time between rounds/events at major tournaments/cons
Good way to spend time at game night waiting for EDH pods to assemble or if you die early.
>>95908627>that guy who doesn't ever state what he;s playing, then gets mad as fuck because you didn't tell him the 1/1 you had open for blocking had death touch,
My LGS's owner often plays during the day when its quiet and I always hate having to pull him out of the game to buy something.
What's a good counterspell-removal ratio? Right now I've got 11 counterspells, 1 artifact/enchantment bounce, and 3 creature bounces.
>>95908702don't, you're literally funding his lifestyle that allows him to play card games at work
>>95908332>Can't protect>3 power first striker with lifelink is a pretty solid defender if needed
>>95908627>played a game with a guy who was simultaneously playing the pkmn TCG phone game>he won
>>95908515Yep, you sure did put all of the summons in a deck.
>It's that guy who joins a 3 man pod and then gets irritated with the cards the established pod was playing
>>95908780Not all of them
>>95908515put in traumatize and hermit druid for your replenish
>>95908727It's more the players I feel bad for, not him
>>95908702He has no employees?
>the employees at my LGS makes fun of spergs (like me)
I'm normal enough to know they're mocking me but too autistic to do anything about it so I just buy my stuff and leave.
>>95908895He has two but unless its FNM or an event there's only ever one person working the store.
During the day on weekdays its not exactly busy
I have been going to my LGS weekly for 3 years and have seen the store owner twice ever.
>>95908702>>95908918Damn is every LGS the same or do you go to mine? I really only see him running the place, sometimes a guy who I think is his mid-20s kid? And he's pretty much always mid-game when I show up for cards
>>95908939dunno what that is so I'm gonna say no
>>95908945Not the same LGS then but yeah they must just be the same everywhere
>>95908480Slophammer has been steadily growing at mine over the past year and I'm increasingly nervous it's going to shunt the other stuff out of the store the way it did in yours. Especially now that Warhammer is gaining traction among normies.
>>95908982I enjoy chatgpt being the evolution of lmgtfy
>>95909024man it's fuckin weird. A simple ass 5 second google search and they instead take all this fucking time to use/interact with chatgpt
>>95909042Instead of reading over wiki articles I can have the robot distill it for me and have more time for other activities
>>95908480>>95908962Had the complete opposite when mine moved and re-opened a few days ago. Not sure why, but they’ve removed all their Warhammer stuff and vastly decreased the amount of space dedicated to wargaming.
>>95908962My issue is that at the old place we already capped out the game room on most EDH nights. Yet now we seem to have less space despite larger rooms (and two of them.) I think it is silly to do this when your previous customers were card game players. You probably shouldn't set the play room as 70% war games space and 30% for anything else.
People just have to play EDH standing up at the war gaming tables.
>>95908982Man I remember FF13 and it's sequels being super popular back when I was in college but since then it seems the consensus is that they're pretty reviled games. I never played any of the FF13 games but it reminds me of BioShock Infinite which seemed to go through a similar hype trajectory.
In any case I do legitimately like the main card they gave Lightning, I could see her being a fun commander.
what is a "battle cruiser" deck?
>>95909189>but since then it seems the consensus is that they're pretty reviled gamesnahhh I remember everyone *hating* Square for making the sequels and engaging in waifu-making (whatever the term is) with Lightning and spending so much time/resources on her and her story and her games that everyone hated the two sequels to FF13 and wanted 14 instead. And then 14 came out and it was an MMO which made everyone hate Square/the sequels that much more
>>95909195High average cmc, plays lots of big spells and big creatures to overwhelm opponents in the lategame. Typically their only early game plays are ramp and draw. Almost always creature-based.
Named after battlecruisers in StarCraft, which were big and expensive and very powerful, but still relatively useless in a meta dominated by fast early tempo plays.
>>95909217So what do they do if you come in with some serious aggro?
>>95908158I've never played a game of magic in my life. I just come on here to give deck building advice.
>>95909304Convince the aggro guys you're not a threat and they should be going after each other instead.
Should i use 3 mana mana rocks instead of the standard 2 in Y'shtola? The 3 mana ones have some utility from triggering the hp drain but slow the deck down quite a bit.
Is this a battlecruiser deck?
https://archidekt.com/decks/13816339/oloro_take_2
>>95909337>Avg Mana Value: 3.18no
>>95909304Outside of throwing a Swords to Plowshares or a Beast Within at the biggest thing you're pointing their way, or ramping more quickly than you can burst them down, battlecruiser decks have no answers to early pressure. This is at least partially responsible for why lower brackets suggest that games shouldn't end too quickly.
If you've ever played online you might see rooms with gentleman's rules like "no attacking before turn 3", "no wins before turn 7", which is basically how battlecruiser players will attract other battlecruiser players to their tables. Battlecruiser as a playstyle really only works in multiplayer if no one recognizes you ramping three turns straight makes you the biggest threat even on an empty board, or only if everyone agrees to play slowly.
The way I describe it probably makes it sound pretty weak and pathetic, needing a whole list of extra rules just to avoid hurt feelings, but battlecruiser decks are a TON of fun to play once they get off the ground, and battlecruiser pods are a fucking blast since it's all heat all the time once all four decks are raring to go. A lot of people say battlecruiser magic is what EDH was made for, and I'm inclined to agree. EDH is the only format where battlecruiser can function, and it's unfortunate that a lot of players have optimized the fun out of the game for themselves just to improve their win rates.
>>95909333There's a pretty meme build with her where you include a *ton* of 3cmc rocks and setup a draw engine, so your turns go mana rock -> draw -> mana rock -> draw -> mana rock -> draw over and over and over. Only include a bunch of them if you wanna commit to the bit
>>95909333Triple 3s on a post asking about 3-mana rocks sounds like destiny, but I wouldn't recommend it unless the whole deck is built around dumping entire hands of 3-mana rocks onto the field. A turn two 2-mana rock ramps you into your commander on turn three, which is a big tempo play that gets you cards and a solid lead on your opponents turn four.
Blue has some good utility 3-mana rocks though, and a lot of them are available on a budget. If budget is a concern at all, I'd suggest considering it. Not every deck needs to be hyperoptimized.
>>95909356These are the cards I'm thinking of cutting
Alela, Artful Provocateur
The Book of Exalted Deeds
Capsize
Cards I'm thinking of running:
Nihil Spellbomb
Athreos, God of Passage
Ketramose, the New Dawn
Zoraline, Cosmos Caller
>>95909337>20 pieces of removal>Several tutors>MLDIn what universe could this be mistaken for a battlecruiser deck
>>95909430I guess I confused the term battlecruiser for "prepared for everything with lots of recursion".
>>95909333Your yshtola deck should be nothing but lands and 3+ mana rocks
>>95909337This is genuine cancer lmao what the fuck
Worth running in a voltron deck in case I'm in total desperation mode after my guy gets hit by a song of the dryads and my llanowar elves are in the graveyard?
>>95909567isn' Inkmoth Nexus better?
>>95909567And what exactly do you plan to do with this..?
>>95909583Yeah but that shit's like 5 bucks and this one's 5 cents.
>>95909585Enters untapped so I can get the mana out of it when I need it. Worst case scenario, turn it into a creature for 1 mana after a board wipe and pump it up then swing.
>>95908514>especially those dirty commander players who keep advocating for buying singles or proxying instead of gambling on the packs you selli swear this basic truth is lost on too many people
will FF surge foils collapse next year? for real that commander cloud is not worth fucking 600 bones.
I asked grok to make me a mono-blue commander deck and I put it together exactly as described
https://archidekt.com/decks/13936308/grok_deck_lmao
it's 105 cards with one repeat
>>95909643Did 40k surge foil ever collapse?
>>95909455what's cancer about it?
>>95909643lol. perhaps lmao
>>95909643>will FF surge foils collapse next year?i think not
if my suspicions of what wotc's moves will be in the next few years are correct there's no better time to "gamble", hoard chase cards, and attend edh events
>>95909601>Yeah but that shit's like 5 bucksactually winning that desperation scenario you envision is well worth $5
>>95909671What are your suspicions? You've already provided what you think the market moves are going to be so there's no reason to not lay out the rationale.
>>95909643If you only need to commander then just proxy it, I'll do that with Y'shtola, since none of the precon was worth it except for her.
>>95909683>What are your suspicions?wotc has now put its gloves on to tackle the fact that proxies have become a legitimate alternative in enjoying the game
>how to make people keep buying real cards theni think wotc knows the age of 60 card competitive is truly over; much has been said about the failure of mtg being an esports, but i think it goes farther than that
i believe the brackets system being released this year is not a coincidence
this might sound ridiculous to you guys but i believe that brackets are the new formats - think vintage, standard, modern - and that events will now be bracket 2/3 edh (with random deck checks) using chase boosters as prizes to ensure people get out there buying, i've seen the game stores around my area doing this already
i believe the massive success of FF is exactly what wotc was looking for, nintendo allowing their non-pokemon IP to enter magic for example is every wotc exec's wet dream
this is why i believe magic will not get cheaper anytime soon, as instead of making cards cheaper to compete with proxies ala gabe newell/steam wotc is heavily leaning into magic as a luxury product with all the IP you could ever want
just like women will never be caught dead using fake chanel bags, nerdy guys won't dare come out in the wild with proxies - imagine going outside with that in a luxury hobby - the peer pressure and fear of shame will ensure you keep buying if you ever plan on leaving your small island of proxying friends
expect more UBs using the IPs that tickle the fancy of every nerd in the world in some kind of Weiss Schwarz future, with events offering the perfect kind of prize (surge foil, all the bells and whistles, hidden in boosters) to make people continue buying, and since holding the rights for reprints is never a sure thing that will only cause prices of chase cards to go higher and higher
feel free to ask again if i'm not being clear
Only problem with proxies is that the guys making proxy decks just print out the most expensive shit and throw the pod balance out of proportion since us others have just brought cards within our means.
>>95909779I don't. That's only a problem with trannies.
>>95909779i'm that will repeatedly say that proxy games eventually devolve into cedh games
even your friends are having difficulty tempering their desires; imagine random strangers
it's easy to say "oh people should have perfect manabases" until one guy says serra's sanctumshould be ok to proxy, then comes gaea's cradle, so on and so forth, escalating further and further
believe it or not "playing what you want" is a competitive mindset
"playing with what you have" is the purest casual mindset
>>95909763>this might sound ridiculous to you guys but i believe that brackets are the new formatsThis will immediately implode because then people will play actually strong decks and drive away a large portion of players. It's well-established WotC can't maintain a banlist for shit especially when Gavin is out there making an ass of himself saying Mana Drain is "just a one-time burst of mana" but Force of Will is unacceptably strong because it can counter a commander in exchange for going -2 over the table to slow down the one card in someone's deck that can endlessly come back.
>>95909802yes i agree gavin is stupid
yes i agree mana drain should be a GC
yes people will use strong decks
guess what wotc will do? print commanders of IPs that are hella strong, just like what they're doing right now with vivi and co.
you WILL buy the UB sloppa if you want to be part of the "community", which happens to be a luxury hobby using cardboard
>>95909779>>95909795This doesn't happen outside of extreme tryhards that would be running bullshit either way. People aren't usually proxying all the bullshit cards and if they are, they're playing in bracket 4 or cedh where you kind of have to. Nobody's proxying a tabernacle in bracket 3.
cards should just be sorted into brackets, none of this GC shit, mana drain is banned in B<=3 also make B4 and B5 have an actual difference FACT
>>95909820>Nobody's proxying a tabernacle in bracket 3lol i see proxied vampiric tutors all the time in ostensibly bracket 2 casual games
it's only fair to expect that people have difficulty restraining themselves with cardboard power, just like with everything else
pubstomping is very real and it would be foolish to assume that doesn't happen "out in the wild", even in "playtesting" sessions
>>95909779unless your pod is majority proxy players, which do exist
>>95909838I struggle to believe this is real and if it is, I'm sorry you have to put up with people like that. I just don't want to dump $20 on a homeward path in my local theft meta.
>>95909942>I just don't want to dump $20 on a homeward path in my local theft meta.if it helps you feel better a very good black core proxy is around ~$5 (at least in my area), if you're ok buying 4 black cores you should be fine buying 1 real card
>>95909763On one hand, I think some of what you’re saying makes sense. Seeing what has happened with MtG with Bloomburrow, Tarkir Dragonstorm and FF along with other trends was what made me finally buy some Hasbro stock for my portfolio. On the other hand, I truly believe FF was a one-time thing with UB because of how broad it is as a series. The main two categories people fit into is they’re either die-hard fans of all games or really, really like one or two but don’t care about the rest (I’m the latter with 7 and 10 being the only ones I care about). Other companies like Nintendo are very finicky when it comes to collaboration with their products as they want to be the one reaping the massive profits (and there must be massive profits involved), so where UB goes from here is a bit of an unknown. I’m not sure I’d go all the way down the rabbit hole you have with the Brackets system but I 100% agree WotC have some plan for them that will not benefit the customers in the long-run.
>>95909763>wotc has now put its gloves on to tackle the fact that proxies have become a legitimate alternative in enjoying the gamerofl fucking delirious, REDDITORS proxy and they make up a teensy percentage of the playerbase.
>>95909779With a few people in my playgroup who proxy, this is exactly what they do. They’ll only ever proxy the most blatantly powerful stuff and shove them in decks expecting to win games. The only reason I tolerate it is because most of them are too retarded to know how to play their decks and/or the game properly and just keep losing.
>>95908616I traded a The List Unwinding Clock to a guy for a Commander 2011 Aura Shards. I'm not 100% sure where I'm gonna use it but I have way too many Unwinding Clocks.
>>95909779I don't generally see this
What are some ways other than Dance of Many to exile Yorion alongside the stuff he's exiling every turn?
>>95909993>REDDITORS proxyactually, it's poor people that proxy
(and also the more competitive you are the more accommodating you are to proxies)
call yourself budget conscious, or you have a family now and you have better use of your money, fact of the matter is you don't have the disposable income anymore, sorry, i'm just calling a spade a spade
truth is the last thing wotc wants is having casuals (the people actually buying cards) get any ideas that they can get the same experience in having a beautiful card with a proxy, wotc wants casuals to be validated that their expensive purchase is being recognized, and what better way for your legit card to be admired than to be outside playing at events, also you're not a "real fan" if you didn't buy the real thing you know
>>95909993you're out of touch
>>95909763>nintendo allowing their non-pokemon IP to enter magic for example is every wotc exec's wet dreamoh god...zelda
>>95909999>Aura Shards >in the year of our lord halfway to 2026
>>95910029You're out of touch if you think your average consumer proxies in a trading card game.
>>95910028>actually, it's poor people that proxyyou're an idiot
wealthier people are notoriously cheap and tight, and would be more likely to proxy/counterfeit if they can get away with it.
It's the chilld-less "I have a job at McDonalds!" types who never proxy and throw away half their paychecks on cardboard.
>>95910032This is really the only one I could see being done. However, I think Nintendo’s monetary demands might be a bit too much for WotC/Hasbro and combine that with the image that most people playing MtG are adults while all Nintendo adverts are clearly geared towards children and families and that might cause too much of a clash with them to be worth pursuing. I’d be willing to bet that something like FromSoftware’s games (I.e. Dark Souls, Elden Ring) are more likely as a UB property than Zelda.
>>95910032>bad hygene>washed out merch>absolute "gamer culture" cornball>autism in denial >literally the "read another book" of its mediumit would work so well in MtG, lets be honest.
the cat is out the bag with the AssCreed set, Zelda would line up next to it perfectly
>>95910050No one tell him it's worthless now that it's a gamechanger
>>95910062if your small mind can understand the income brackets of women that buy authentic louis vuitton bags then you'll understand the income bracket of men that buy authentic magic product
>>95910061They do. You must not get out to the LGS very often. They are an extremely common sight.
>>95909763A woman wrote this
According to EDHrec:
Icewind Stalwart + Felidar Guardian is any bracket
Icewind Stalwart + Restoration Angel is any bracket
Felidar Guardian + Restoration Angel is a bracket 4+ only combo
huh?
>>95910089there are only normal men and mentally ill men that play mtg dumdum
>>95910068Fire Emblem is big enough. Not to be a world-beater like Zelda, but it has a strong fanbase. Especially considering Japanese sales.
>>95910068Hasbro would be willing to do just about *anything* to get a Zelda set, but I think Nintendo simply wouldn't do it no matter how much Hasbro bent over for them.
>>95910027You're in white. White has a metric shitload of flicker/blink stuff
>>95910093>Felidar Guardian + Restoration Angel is a bracket 4+ only combobecause you can play that as early as turn 5 and gavin did say bracket 3 combos should generally be expected to be fired at around turn 7, read his first brackets article for that
yes it's flawed and gavin's better off saying "you can't go infinite/near infinite before turn X" but unfortunately he didn't think of that
>>95910120also edhrec isn't perfect, resto angel happens to be the far more popular blinker
>>95910100Please nobody tell WotC that FE autists will literally pay up the ass for anything Three Houses/Radiant Dawn/Blazing Blade related
>>95910120The combos of those three cards are all (nearly) identical, they also don't do anything to change board state without a 3rd card
>>95910139those two cards do allow infinite blinks, and technically you can be an ass and waste everyone's time with it (who's gonna call you out for slow play right lmao)
that's why i argue that infinite of ANY KIND should be bundled together regardless if it wins on the spot or not, gavin has the right idea but his arguments for combos is full of "generally" and lacks oomph, compare that to his autismo on MLD
>>95910093Those don't do anything without another card to actually use the infinite ETBs, making them three card combos.
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>>95907258For me it’s Empress Galina.
>>95910212I've got one fully tuned cEDH deck but rarely ever use it. Most of the pods I play in don't go beyond bracket 4.
>>95909062the wiki article is probably shorter
>>95910212Nah, I don't have 11 hours to spend on a single game
>>95910212no and I would like every cedh card banned
>>95910314Female hands typed this post
>>9590918913 is pretty bad but lightning herself is just pink cloud with tits so pretty good
>>95907258The salt generated is delicious
>>95910314Wish granted. Farewell Command Tower and all nonbasic lands
>>95910477Not op but good
>>95910462Yes it is, bro. I had to retire that deck due to a like 90+% winrate. It's now only brought out on very special occasions
>>95909643Only the ones that aren't characters people care about.
>>95909454>Y'shtola>3 cmc mana rocks>March of the machinesA dream.
>only added minor upgrades to Yshtola
>got to end of game where I was almost decking myself out because of all the draw enchants I put on her
Can anyone recommended me any white, blue or black cards that would deal damage or an effect whenever I draw a card?
>>95910587Psychosis Crawler, Ominous Seas, and like.. Aether Syphon? Aether Syphon will trigger her too since it's a noncreature card that costs 3
>>95910587put
>o:"whenever you draw" commander:wub f:cinto scryfall and look
>>95910587I put Sanguine Bond in her and my IQ shot up to 400
>>95906763 (OP)This was my favorite card for a while when my friends and I first started playing Magic, felt great murdering everyone with their own big creatures. I remember killing one guy with his Rofellos and another with Vulrath, it was singlehandedly responsible for the tempo increase in our pod because it was an instant win.
Everything was downhill after that because all the win conditions kept coming out faster and faster until we weren't so much playing as we were just hoping to draw exactly what we needed by turn three or four. I bet if we still played now all of our decks would just be turn two kills and people would be scooping on their first card draw.
>>95910587Queza Augur of Agonies and Psychosis Crawler
>know pod hates combos
>play my deck and win because they don't have anti-combo tech
hee hee the salt was a feast my brothers
>>95906831Stealing from other players is getting removed from the game.
>>95910659>Pod hates (thing) and refuses to play the 800000 answers to (thing) that keep getting printed because of Commanderbabies complaining about (thing)
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>>95910699Sure thing buddy. I'll be taking your library every turn, btw :^)
Why do people hate Muldrotha so much? I've posted here twice asking for advice for my deck and both times someone basically responded with "lul Muldrotha is lame"
I would still consider myself a newer player overall so I've never played anything that interacts heavily with my graveyard before. Is it because its unfair? Or is it just because Muldrotha is OP?
https://moxfield.com/decks/pFey8l-IA0aoyQtyB3JrTA
Some of the cards are expensive but I only really play with friends and they're fine if I proxy the expensive lands and such.
>>95910749Muldrotha is lame
>>95910749nobody wants to play graveyard hate
>>95910749Muldrotha is lame
>>95910749Commanders that encourage you to play the same cards over and over every turn cycle are inherently boring. Muldrotha is a prime example of this, as is Feather. The card would have been fine if it had a finality counter clause, but I know the card was printed before that was standardized.
>>95910778standardized? that was before they even conceived of counters that did anything but +/- or help you count.
>>95910778>Commanders that encourage you to play the same cards over and over every turn cycle are inherently boringnot always true
as long as your IP is iconic enough they will forgive you for doing things over and over and even pay a high price tag for it
>>95910767everybody loves playing the 500 cards with graveyard exile on it
commanders that cost more than 4 mana are unviable outside of green
>>95910787"every turn cycle" not "in every deck"
in voltron you're encouraged to run similar equipment because it's good. his point is in muldrotha you have the same five cards you play every turn, sac them, then do it again next turn.
>>95910783>that was before they even conceived of counters that did anything but +/- or help you countWrong
>>95910778This is true
>>95910787You're either a retard or you're intentionally strawManning to try and dunk on ub
>>95910799>>95910806>dunking on UBexactly my point, you'll forgive it because it's UB
cloud and muldrotha are as cookie cutter as edh decks come, the only difference is that cloud either ends the game quickly or is taken out of the game quickly, muldrotha drags the game down and makes you question the creativity of your opponent (despite them using the most uncreative color, black)
>>95910805The counter itself isn't providing the effect, it just turns the effect on. If you move the blaze counter to another land, the new land doesn't burn.
>>95910749Because it just loops effects that fuck with everyone. People will always whine when you blow up too much of their shit and by nature Muldrotha encourages you to just loop edicts all day and clean out boards. It's technically a toolbox but it only ever picks the same three of its tools out of the yard.
>>95910805I wanted to say help with memory problems but "help you count" was snappier.
in that case the counter helps you remember that it has the effect, stuff like finality counters and <keyword> counters have innate mechanics.
>>95910816You can hate UB and Cloud but the justification for doing so would need to be different from reasons why you hate Feather and Muldrotha. Comparing Cloud and Muldrotha is disingenuous.
>>95910816Did you miss my point where you are a disingenuous retard
>>95910831johnnies won't admit it but they secretly disdain voltron strategies and any deck with black in it, prove me wrong
My commander is Konda because that was the first legendary I randomly pulled from a booster. Despite buying cards since Mercadian Masques, the only other legendary I ever obtained before Konda was a Gerrard a friend gave me.
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>someone asks about muldrotha
>Anti-ub schizo makes it about how he hates ub
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>>95910787Does Cloud have a completely brain dead auto search card? He's not exactly vannifar or rocco that's comboing off with his tutor effect.
>>95910849what does a literal who like vannifar have anything to do with me saying that as long as your card is iconic enough people will forgive you for doing the same thing over and over?
>>95910854I'm asking you what Cloud gets over and over every game. Name the card.
>>95910849technically it's probably whichever of the swords of X and Y gives him protection from most of what's at the table.
>>95910858>I'm asking you what Cloud Midgard Mercenary gets over and over every game>what does Cloud get every game>Cloud>Name the card.this is the kind of 4chan poster we get on /tg/ lmao
>>95910870Oh dear, you don't seem to know what the best tutor target is. Concession accepted.
>>95910870If you're getting either Buster Sword every game that's really not particularly degenerate nor as boring as replaying the same cards over and over for 3+ turns in a row with Muldrotha/Feather.
>>95910870this is the kind of 4chan poster we get on /tg/ lmao
>>95910882>muldrotha and feather replays the same card mutiple times!>meanwhile you only get buster sword once (1) every single game so it doesn't count!>it's like when a guy fucks another guy in the ass only once, that means he's not gay!>>95910883
>>95910889Bro just stop you're being super retarded right now. Cloud is nowhere near as bad as muldrotha and you know it
>>95910893cloud is very cool yes, so i forgive him too desu
i also include sephiroth
>>95910882I'd argue Buster Sword is actually a pretty bad first target with him. It makes him a 5/3 with no evasion and a combat damage trigger when you strap him up. That's not where you wanna be with voltron.
>>95910900It's a horrible first target and it doesn't even curve
>>95910900>swinging with tymna is also bad because she's just a 2/2 with no evasion
>>95910900DESU I think monoW cloud is probably the worst of the Clouds as far as being your commander goes. Anyone seriously trying to optimize a Cloud deck is probably using the Naya or Boros version.
>>95910916I actually agree with this
The mono white cloud seems best in standard. The Naya cloud seems nuts and the boros cloud is best in its respective archetype
>>95910916mono w cloud is very linear and easily shut down, but he does have the ability to get out of hand, as with all voltron commanders in the lower brackets
any ff casual getting into mtg who pulls him in their pack shouldn't have any trouble building him since it's mono and will get their money's worth win or lose, so mono w cloud does his job well in that respect
naya cloud is ofc the most robust because tricolor lol
>Play a deck with rhysic in it about 30 times
>Seen it once
>still get called a piece of shit by my regular despite them never actually having to deal with it
>>95910978take it out and don't tell them. then in like two weeks tell them you took it out ages ago and they still overreacted about it.
>>95910978but did he pay the {1}?
>>95911012nta, but
>Play with stoners, they never pay attention to anything going on in the game ever, except when they have their rhystic out, at which point they jump down you're throat asking if you paid before you even say what you're casting,
>>95910978>Put a card in my deck that instantly wins the game>Play it>wtf why are people annoyed it's not like I draw it every time :(((
>>95911104Pay your taxes.
>>95911104>instantly wins the gamecounterspell, disenchant...
>>95911104>Rhystic Study instantly wins the gameLow quality bait
>>95911166and yet people keep falling for it
>>95910767I maindeck tormod's crypt and nihil spellbomb.
>>95911170>maindeck>edhwut
>>95910749>>95910767I have plenty of graveyard hate in a "leave lands alone" stax deck and it's great. But anyone playing anything with green black in it will just refuse to play against it. That's the real problem.
If the Muldrotha player knows I can shut off graveyard interaction in 8 different ways he will bitch and whine about not being "allowed" to play
>>95909333I would at least give them bigger consideration. Some of them are also just really good. Victory Chimes for example to play more on instant speed.
>>95911123>>95911159>>95911166Ah yes, the best card in the format is actually bad because it dies to removal. How foolish of me.
I do not pay the 1. If you win it's because the table didn't focus on you, not because of me.
>>95911201are we pretending we don't tweak our decks for the meta in between game nights?
>>95911217>Ah yes, the best card in the formatOooooh so now it's just "the best card in the format"? You decided to drop the "instantly wins the game" thing? Now why would that be, anon?
pulled purphoros out of my FF prerelease immediately put it in my krenko deck cause I hate having friends
non-competitive edh is pretending to play a "good game" of magic instead of actually playing the game on the sincere level
>>95911343How about you be "sincere" about the fact that the only reason you try to play EDH "competitively" is because you can't compete in actually competitive 1v1 formats?
>>95911343you can play the game sincerely with a purposely made jank deck that is bracket 2
>>95908547Steal opponents creatures and sack for value. Or play something with an etb and get a different creature that's smaller. You could also build it so you always hit a specific creature if the rest in the deck would be legendary, if you want for some reason
>>95911314NEED for Shao Jun
Which deck should I get as my very first commander deck? I've played some Arena and know the basics. I really wanted to get Final Fantasy Tidus Counter deck but can't find it anywhere so will have to wait for reprints.
Was looking at:
>Tricky Terrain (Omo, Queen of Vesuva & Jyoti, Moag Ancient)
>Fallout Mutants (Mothman)
>LotR Hobbits Food (Sam and Frodo)
Leaning towards the Tricky Terrain since I like the idea of ramp, although it does look a little confusing to remember everything. Fallout Mutants, I mostly like it for the flavor. Hobbits also seems like fun and I like the Gollum stalker card as a future potential commander for lifelink fun.
>>95910749Let me put it this way: there's a reason almost all other "play cards from grave" effect says to exile those cards afterwards
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>>95911382If you play UB you should be summarily executed, so I guess that just leaves Tricky Terrain.
>>95911382as a new player who probably is gonna get hard dealing a ton of damage when you turn creature sideways I wouldn't recommend the tidus counters just cause the bant color combo has 10 triggers each turn and you'll forget them and annoy your pod when you say "oh man I forgot that! can I take back is that ok?" Mothman is voltron mill so you hit hard then your opponents mills it's strong but also has a reputation so you'll get targeted a lot and that isn't fun so desu I would recommend the Desert Bloom Precon or Gruul dragon starter precon they're really cheap compared to the UB stuff and since everyone thinks they suck you will float under the radar and sometimes win just cause nobody is paying attention to you and they're both very beginner friendly
>>95911392>funko invented crossovers
>>95911421scooby doo invented cross overs with the globe trotters
>>95911159I can't take anyone who suggests playing disenchant seriously.
>>95911428>Scooby Doo caused UBRuh roh Raggy
>>95911421Why would funko have to invent crossovers to be the reason Wizards started doing it?
Crossovers have existed since before Magic, so why wouldn’t crossovers always be a part of Magic?
Or could it be that a collectible figurine range had an influence on a collectible card game? Particularly in regards to getting IP holders to license their shit for exactly this purpose?
Tl;dr youre not as smart as you think you are. Sad!
>>95911439Funko had no influence. Crossovers are just a popular thing and have been for over 15 years. Stop being a retard
>>95911314>Emblem is not a may effectSo you have to turn an artifact into a creature if you can?
>>95911439a quick google search says the first ever tv crossover was an episode of "I love lucy" where christopher reeves superman shows up in the episode so blame them for final fantasy in magic
>>95911449>Crossovers are just a popular thing and have been for over 15 years.lol yeah, much longer than 15 years. Before Magic even exists, as I’ve already said.
So I’ll ask again, if crossovers have always been a thing why is it Magic only started doing them recently?
The answer is that fat retard Redditors demonstrated that anyone can license out their IP to a range of collectibles and they’ll buy it. Hasbro wanted their slice of that same market. They’ve even licensed to Funko before.
>>95911464the reason fat nerds love crossovers is cause comic books have been doing it since their creation decades before hollywood even made the first ever marvel movie
>>95911497YES WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT CROSSOVERS HAVE EXISTED A VERY LONG TIME
THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR YOUR DISMISSAL OF FUNKSLOP BEING AN INFLUENCE ON UB
IF CROSSOVERS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN POPULAR WHY DID IT TAKE MAGIC ALMOST 30 YEARS TO HOP ON THE TREND?
THE ANSWER IS THEY SAW THE SUCCESS OF FUNKO AND DECIDED TO DO IT THEMSELVES
>>95910849Vannifar’s design is cool, shame both of her cards are not things I want to build for.
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>>95911314oh my crystals is this real?
>>95911314Why would Tezzeret be colorless?
>>95911597Dude is basically all darksteel at this point
What's your favorite plains art?
>>95911314Without seeing the rest of the set he seems kinda shit desu
>>95911314Surprised they didn't add "Can be your commander" at the bottom.
>>95911314Are they releasing yet another set? Do Magic whales have infinite money?
>>95911638Unsets always have the best basic art
>>95910749>Why do people hate Muldrotha so much?Because Muldrotha is fucking lame.
>>95911314Artifacts are the gayest card type in the fame.
>>95911713I like the mix of light and dark in this one.
>>95911314>untap artifact>tutor arifact>make artifact creature WOWIE ZOWIE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE WHAT INTERESTING DESIGN! Next set.
Artifacts get everything, enchantments get jackshit. It's kinda funny to see how WotC has seemingly no idea how to handle enchantments. A lot of them are just overcosted and can't keep up.
>>95911638Ignore the land tax but these
>>95911501>IF CROSSOVERS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN POPULAR WHY DID IT TAKE MAGIC ALMOST 30 YEARS TO HOP ON THE TREND?
>>95911756Aladdin is mythology, not the same.
>>95911367I don't play EDH at all. I'm a hater.
>>95911369that would be bracket 2 cEDH
>>95911428comic books did cross overs way before that
>>95911717You forgot about "Battles"
>>95911759Doesn't matter what the source if it's not even an attempt to use original characters it's a crossover. Theros isn't a crossover because they at least scraped the names off the Greeks. Arabian Nights is not a "Arabian myth adjacent" setting with OC characters, it's pre-established characters shoved into Magic. It's a crossover no matter how obtuse you want to try and be about it retardkun, it was included because Aladdin was a red hot property in 1993 thanks to the movie that was released a year before, and it was the 2nd major release in the game's history. Right at the start, Magic was 50% UB and they never stopped, they did the exact same shit with Three Kingdoms which was made right after Mulan.
>>95911779Battles aren't pushed slop that always get the same boring sweaty mechanics revolving around it. That Tezzert for example sums up literally every artifact deck made
>tutor for your slop!>get value out of your slop then untap it to get value again!>is your slop not a creature and enemies are swinging at you? turn your slop into a creature!
>>95911781What a nonsensical post. They did one UB-set at the beginning and one some years later to peddle it specifically to the Asian market. That's two sets in a quarter of a century. Saying they "never stopped" is disingenuous.
>>95911314Look at this card and you can already see the sweaty nerd playing this in some blue artifact deck. Taking 15-minute turns where he plays zero-mana artifacts, immediately uses the ultimate ability and blinks the commander four times. Imagine the smug look on his face when he finally kills everybody at the table at once. Afterwards he will explain his card-choices and the theme of the deck, how much thought and strategy went into this deck. This deck that looks exactly like three-thousand other decks on EDHrec.
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>>95911638Really fits the theme of my deck, plus they look great foil.
>>95911638there's so many nice plains arts but the issue i have is Borderless 3/10 art is still nicer than 10/10 bordered art for me
>>95911887borderless is gay i honestly prefer bordered at this point. they made way too many borderless arts every set it's not special anymore
>>95911903different strokes i guess
i've cut cards because they dont have a nice borderless alt art
>>95911903>it's not special anymoreCrying loser NEEDS things to be exclusive or rare for them to be good for him, SAD! Upset that now EVERYONE can get good looking full art lands, doesn't feel special anymore? Poor baby
>>95911781Folk tale =/= Disney slop
>>95911924>>95911887I like that they do full-art lands in every set, modern bordered lands have always looked like shit. I'm just not a big fan of the new template they started using for borderless lands a few years ago, Unhinged/Glued and the originals were all much better.
>>95911314I'm not 100% sure I'll use this, but it would be nice in my Golbez deck. Especially when the engine is running and I'm making a bunch of Clues and such. Literally unusable Ult for me though, and I've never liked that style of effect anyway and would prefer to just tutor up Cyberdrive Awakener rather than make my Simulacum Synthesizer suddenly vulnerable to Doom Blade lmao
>>95911314When are they printing some more tutor hate? Aven Mindcensor and Opportunist Agent aren't enough to keep a lid on this.
>>95912068>>95911545>Golbez deckpost lists, fags.
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>>95912076https://moxfield.com/decks/mChS2mRAMkqVCJ0OH8C3Aw
>better waste 10+ slots in your deck to protect your shit because removal is so strong
I HATE PROTECTION!
I HATE PROTECTION!
>>95912076Had a fucking blast with it last night
https://archidekt.com/decks/13425334/crystal_collection
One game I got an early Unshakable Tail and that boy puts in so much fucking WORK with Golbez, once I got out Enhanced Surveillance it became a matter of just puking out clues and surveiling 3 at a time. With Polluted Cistern (before it was removed during a particularly UPSETTING Smothering Tithe moment) I managed to drain the table for 20 or so before my draw step and it probably would've been 30-40 if they hadn't removed it. Won at end step with Apocalypse Demon coming out of the grave with Golbez, though so no real complaints.
I just made a small maybeboard of more ways to surveil because the mechanic feels great when executed continuously. Maybe I should get more thopter generators.
>>95912111I've started replacing protection with more card draw.
Go ahead and spend cards to remove my pieces, i'll have three more threats coming right up.
Doesnt work so well if the commander is a key cog in the machinery, but alas.
>>95912109>Eye of DuskmantleMy nigga, I love that card.
>>95912109>>95912141Are you two in some sort of competition for worst manabase?
>>95912153r00d
>>95912278yes, i definitely need to adjust mine, i on rare occasion struggle to get both of my colors early
>>95912111>guy in my pod always considers me the threat, no matter what game and always convinces the table to gang up on me (which usually leads to him winning) >his favourite card is farewell, which he aggressively mulligans/tutors for>starts a complete arms race with him always killing my stuff and me putting more and more protection pieces into my deck to the point where if i have a strong board out, even in a selesnya deck i have like 4 removal answers in hand at any given time>exile creep means all of it isn't even 'indestructible' but hexproof or phase outkinda funny desu, i would never consider making a deck that has white in it without putting in clever concealment/teferis protection anymore and it's literally thanks to that one guy
to be clear, i'm not just being pissy - he has openly admitted, in front of company that he targets me every game because if i die, he wins the vast majority of the time, and he's by far the most experienced magic player so people just go along with him
>>95912109This is actually really nice. Good job man.
>>95912331just counterspell it, white has mana tithe
>>95908487ye, thanks to UB
>>95908556Playing with all your toys > playing with only some of your toys
>>95912571Idk personally I like other colors like RG and WG but I don't see anything wrong with UB, it's solid, has some good commanders
>>95909779>deck/set gets scalped>proxy so I don't feed the scalpersno shit I proxy the expensive shit? I'm not paying whatever it is for ff cards
Alright, I need to make some "only cards from one plane" decks. What else besides Ravnica and Innistrad have enough sets to actually support that?
>>95912630Dominaria
Mirrodin
Possibly Theros
>>95912630What he said
>>95912648But also zendikar and the "DND plane"
I’m looking for cards to protect a board state I’ve developed, so far the best I have found is knowledge pool, it has to be answered before the board can be touched maybe buying a turn or two to cause damage on board.
Any other cards like this I can consider?
Is my pod going to hate me for this difficult card?
>>95912788Bant, and I’m trying to leverage “decent game plan and effective card” with “pissing off the pod by playing insane cards”
>>95912717how does knowledge pool protect you without a lockout with another card? worst case the next player just casts the wipe that got exiled with it previously anyway no?
>>95912717autists usually hate knowledge pool
does you deck/commander profit from it? or do you run effects that prevent people from playing cards from exile, effectively locking them from playing spells? if any of these apply, use it. the card alone does very little for you if not.
>>95912814It exiles all cards on stack making board interaction at least a 2 step process while it’s on the field.
>>95912824My commander and deck can turn a few cards on board to lethal in just a few turns so long as I have triggers and mana
>>95912844Self reply: I won’t be putting in spell lockout combos since this is a relatively casual pod group
>>95912844>at least a 2 stepyeah so against 3 competent players essentially nothing. either you have to go all out with drannith magistrate and friends or I'd just use some white spells to phase my shit out or counter since we have blue
>>95912869If you're not putting in spell lockout combos, don't put in Knowledge Pool. Stop being an ass hat and play at your playgroup's powerlevel, you fucking coward.
>>95912844>making board interaction at least a 2 step process while it’s on the fieldthat's completely irrevelant when you have 3 opponents. for 5 mana, there a better cards to protect your board state.
this is honest, unironic advice: watch some commander theory videos on protection, look at protection other decks with your commander use, and draw your own conclusions from there.
>>95912884nta but fucking around with knowledge pool is just good old fun when not used to lock shit out, tho it won't really protect you from anything more than delaying a wipe by one spell
>>95912902Yeah I get the feeling the spirit of fun doesn’t really resonate here versus the autistic mentality of winning and maximizing at all costs
Nerds will optimize the fun out of anything
>>95910849every equipment tutor always searches for Feast and Famine first
>>95912869keeping a wide board is a bit harder to do permanently now that there are so many exile/sacrifice wipes. haystack would be good for one creature and things like akroma's memorial just don't really cut it these days. sure, it CAN win sometimes and I can't really think anything else than giving indestructible to your board if we are talking more than one time effects
>>95911314>3CMC>untaps your mana rockboy they are REALLY pushing the UW sets
>>95912844try teferi's veil if you don't mind taking 3 guys heavy loads to your face
>>95912943Haystack looks fun memorial would generally do the trick too. I’ve had some good fair fun with the 3 mana instants that phase/indestructible for a round but that’s just 1 turn, figured something permanent would get more mileage
>>95912975yeah, repeatability is the key but comes at a premium
>>95912111Bad player
>>95912185Bad player
Protection is how you win games
>>95913027I thought removal was how you win games
>>95913027>Protection is how you win gamessure bub. now take 64 damage please.
>>95913039That too. Interaction is what makes magic so great. You gotta find the right ratio of protection to removal for your deck. My faster decks are more protection, my slower ones more removal
>>95913051I play white anon i only take damage when I want to.
>>95913259I play red anon you take damage when I want you to
>>95913290Im afraid there's more damage prevention than damage cant he preventioned. And more counters in white. And more phasing in white. Mono red babbies are so funny
>>95913310dude, you are dead since t4, why are you still talking? go look for another pod
>>95913312>he turns from cards to pure fantasyLol
>>95912331The funny thing to do would be to run effects that will remove Farewell from his library before he can cast it
>>95913321can someone please remove the mono white babby from the table? he has been sobbing for half an hour now after his humiliating defeat
>>95913323is there an Extirpate-like effect that doesn't need the card in the graveyard first?
>>95913380anything that's "name a card, search target players deck hand gy for all cards with that name and exile them"
could also praetor's grasp it
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>>95913380Try the best in the game
>cast tefari's protection
>opp still tries to touch my shit, tell him he can't I'm phased out
>Next opp, seeing as I'm still the board leader, attempts to touch my shit,
>>95913488Okay, let's proliferate your poison counter up to ten, you're dead.
>>95913502I remember back when poison counters seemed like the biggest design mistake WotC had made since storm. Those were such a simpler time.
I know Poisonous existed before Infect, but infect was pushed as hell
>>95913488Nice blockers you have there anon
>>95913546Both my mono red decks have 5 of these effects so yeah I likely do by that point in the game
>>95913532just make it 20 counters for EDH and suddenly it becomes a lot less annoying
I sometimes wonder why this card is still legal in edh
>>95913567>>95913553I kind of feel like all static life/poison numbers should just be doubled for EDH
>>95913585is this one fine though
>>95913597Yeah, this one's not a problem because an opponent under 10 life is a harder restriction in EDH.
Making it you over 60 and opponent under 20 would probably just be a side grade of anything.
>>95913441>You don't have it
>Americans get active
>turns into baby hours
>>95913621Just aggressively mulligan until you do. More draw also helps.
>>95913585>>95913553Terrible players rofl
>>95913639Goo goo ga ga Mr Falcon.
>>95913639>europeans get out of work>complain about americans
>>95913649but our pod doesn't give free mulligans past the first
>stream starts at 11 instead of 9
fuck. suggest me a movie to kill time.
>>95913933Train to Busan
1hr 58min
>>95913533It's a fun way to kill someone hiding behind teferi's protection. I only managed to pull it off once so far though. But I barely play any of those effects.
>>95913933Either Spider-Verse movie
Edge of Tomorrow
>>95913546Well you just magically have teferi pro, so yeah, I have it. While you think you have it.
>>95913933shit, what stream? There's nothing on the twitch schedule
>>95913972Fair its on decent enough removal that in mono red its easy to justify. Outside of mono red when there's just more interaction to look at i can see it. The one I posted insult//injury, skullcrack, and wild slash go in all of them for me. I've been trying with Sunspine Linx as well i think its a great card.
>This will be the new commander stable it's so good
>HYPE HYPE HYPE
>$13
>What do you mean it's a may?
>What do you mean it only triggers once?
What do you mean it only make one treasure no matter how many cards they draw?
>>95913972>>95913533How do you kill someone who plays tef pro, he has no creatures for you to target, what? It's a sorcery, so you cast this after he phased out. Or are you generating new creatures? But that still doesn't kill him, I'm confused.
>>95913597well yeah, he's five mana and the 10 life caveat is a lot harder to hit
>>95913567It's one card? How bad is your deck if you can't handle this, lmao
>>95914016You cast it on 0 targeting some pissant on someone else's board (possibly even your own board), then you swing your commander at them for lethal because although their life total doesn't change, they still take the damage, which counts for commander damage.
>>95913792>implying pillow fort poison proliferate strategies aren't boring as hell to play with and play against
>>95913567Nah it'll remain legal for the very reason they unbanned Braids: "everyone runs removal now, so it'll just die immediately"
>>95914016Damage cant be prevented. You can still attack someone who is under the effect of Teferis Protection. It just usually won't do anything because of the spell. But if I play mine afterwards, damage CANT be prevented. Cant beats can in magic. I swing, you have no blockers cause they are phased out, and the damage cant be prevented so you die
>>95914016commander damage is still tracked even if your life total can't change, and "damage can't be prevented" gets around TPro
>>95914055>Until your next turn, your life total can’t changeDoesn't this *only* work in voltron/commander-damage builds, though?
>>95914044Wait, so you have your voltron commander out and hit him for commander lethal damage, right? How is this all implied with one red card that says damage can't be prevented, the fuck?
>>95914068Yes sorry it does. All my red decks are voltron so in my head that was a given
>>95914068it also works with infect and Phage
>>95914048Always seeing the best cards is not boring at all or seeing yet another poison proliferate win, that's why everyone loves every tutor under the sun to make all games feel the same. Everyone loves consistency in their edh games. Might as well fix the order of your deck.
>>95914070Once you figure out that it works, you naturally connect it cause it's one of the few ways to fuck over a teferi's protection player. It's not like they have anything they can do against you at that point.
Either that, mill or combo.
>>95914070By not being a tourist FF fag
>>95914130Why did this retard
>>95914055 explain it wrongly then?
>>95914055Life total can't change.
>uh, no, life totals can change So can wins against can't?
>>95914139That is me. I explained it fine I just neglected the voltron part because I'm autistic and its assumed information in my mind ^.^
>>95914148Even if life total doesn't change, the damage still is dealt. Lifelink, commander damage and other things that care about damage all work in this specific situation of "damage can't be prevented"+Teferi's Protection.
>>95914037how bad is your deck that you cannot turn t1 serra ascendant into a massive advantage lmao
>>95914192Sure. Just say you countered tefpro next time. It's not as long winded and gets quicker to the point of this play pretend Kindergarten session of mtg in 4chan post form.
>>95914196>he has it every time with all the other pieces to win out of thatWhy are you openly admitting that you're just a filthy cheater?
>>95914211>mono red>counter this white spellYou could just be grateful you learned a new interaction instead of being a whiny faggot who thought his expensive "is win" card was unbeatable.
>>95914233This interaction isn't new to me, you braindead mono red player.
>I posted one card, this implies that it's a voltron mono red playerThank God that I'm not as schizophrenic as you are.
The tefpro player had a platinum angel, I guess you're retarded red "can't be prevented" cards didn't help there, huh?
>>95914211it's a niche interaction of mechanics created by specific wording and rules, not a "counter." It's an interesting thing to know. Sorry you lost the love of learning for knowledge's sake at some point in your sad life.
>>95914224>subconsciously admits that the card is so broken, playing it on t1 borders on cheatingI rest my case
>>95914048Pillow fort poison is a slow dogshit strategy. I'd be no more upset to encounter it at a table than mill.
>>95914255>the tefpro player had a platinum angelwhich isn't on the battlefield because TPro phased it out
>>95914265I don't get "upset," I just prefer playing four player games rather than three player.
>>95914255>>This interaction isn't new to meCould have fooled me considering how wrong you've gotten it.
Nice phased out Platinum Angel bro, I'm sure it's real helpful.
>>95914070Damage is still tracked even when your life total can't change. Normally this doesn't matter because the point of damage is to reduce life totals, but commander damage isn't part of life total.
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What timezone is this? I wanna know how much time I need to waste throughout the day before starting to care about this
>>95914292probably PST since that's where Vegas is
>>95914070Buddy fucked up and forgot that tefpro is "life total can't change" and not "prevent all damage to you" and is trying to play it off like he was referring the voltron workaround the whole time.
Don't worry about it.
>>95914296shit I coulda swore it was Mountain Time. Alright that makes sense
>>95914037This guy probably complains about green being able to ramp into a 6/6 with trample on turn 4.
>>95914255It is very obviously new to you seeing as you needed its meaning spoonfed to you
>play tefpro>somehow still have a permanent on the boardYoure ego is making you retarded lmao. Also even if platinum angel was out you'd STILL lose to voltron damage
>>95914307anon why wouldn't he be referring to the voltron workaround the whole time, what other ways to beat TPro with "damage can't be prevented" are there?
>>95914307Literally everyone but you got it, because youre new and thought your expensive i win card was unstoppable
>>95914318>even if platinum angel was out you'd STILL lose to voltron damageanon...
>>95914323>>95914326Like I said, he forgot. It wouldn't be the first time someone forgot the minutiae of how a card works. Nothing in his original post hinted at commander damage and he's spun it around into some kind of epic bait for the thread or whatever.
>>95911314This is an absolute embracing of Stax.
>>95912030that art does not say "plains" to me
>>95914336>heHe is me. I admitted I forgot to specifically mention voltron because its context any seasoned player would know. You are welcome for the free education anon :)
>>95912111More evidence that EDH players don't want to play the game for real and just want to roleplay
>>95912331sounds like he just beats your ass
>>95914192>>95914328Oops I was looking at this card. Good thing the angel is phased out in this scenario
>>95912630Mirrodin, easily. And it will be a very powerful deck too.
>>95912331>guy in my pod always considers me the threat, no matter what game and always convinces the table to gang up on me (which usually leads to him winning)this but losing instead of winning
>>95912630Tribal decks have it pretty easy, especially for tribes that planes are known for like Ixalan dinos.
Forgotten Realms can do dragon tribal.
>>95912630it's doable with Tarkir
>>95914355>a joke about EDH mechanics? that means you don't want to play the game.
All I do with my decks is goldfish.
>>95914399Nothing about that post is a joke lmao. It's a faggot crying that he cant just windmill slam without thought
>>95914409>Nothing about that post is a joke lmao>lmao
>>95914416Me laughing AT you does not make your post a joke.
>>95914349It's a desolated plain, anon.
>>95914429your spite is unable to change the intention of the post
>>95914389Same here(except for the "convincing the whole po to gang up on me" part) , lmao, I don't get it. He might win once in a while if he would stop doing that.
>>95913996pro tour. they'll announce some edge of eterneties shit. stream is on right now.
>>95914318>Mono red retard (redundant I know) acting retarded as usualLmao
>>95914375>embarrassing cope I guess we found yet another larper who doesn't actually play mtg and just posts fake stories on 4chan.
Go away, newfag.
>playing a jank gix aggro "draw 12 cards per turn" deck
>nekusar across the table
>sheoldred next to him
>player 4 hits sheoldred with a phantasmal image
I did not win that game.
>>95914474Man, what? I thought only the Magiccon event was gonna have EoE news
>>95914494???
the pro tour is AT the magiccon which is going right now
>>95914508I was specifically talking about this:
>>95914292
What do I cut for
>Green Suns'
>Willow Satyr
Dryad Arbor is also replacing a forest.
>>95914519spoilers happen in 2 hours if that's what you are asking
>>95914529Perfect, what I thought.
>>95914527changeling automaton or jolrael
>>95914477>had to have 10 people explain the interaction to him
>>95914562I was thinking Jolrael. Automaton is unironically one of the best "satyrs" on the deck because he curves out on turn one. In an ideal world you want turn 3 to be where you hit 3 attackers so you can start getting card advantage off Gallia.
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>>95914494I’ve heard secondhand shit about more Eldrazi cards and some shit about the “Sliver homeworld”- if it’s true I think it’s a gonna be a set with not a lot going for it even considering low expectations, but will still sell well because Eldrazi and Sliver fans are degenerate retards and diehards, respectively. What’s apparently confirmed is a mythic land cycle (I’m speculating “Planets”), and the return of Galaxy Foils.
>>95914527Honestly I’d recommend Klothys if you can get your hands on her, Satyrs seem so shit that using them for burn fodder seems like a better plan than swinging them
>Have three EDH friends
>We're all super busy and can never line up our schedules due to work/family
>Best we can get is 1v1 matches but no one really enjoys them
>Continue to just chat about our theory crafted decks on the off a chance we get to play again someday
Agony
>>95914583Man all I want for EoE is more radiation/rad counter cards. The only thing. Probably gonna scrap this Mothman deck if we don't get any cuz I don't wanna cheese up the rad counters with like a dozen proliferates every turn. That just sounds so lame
>>95914578that makes sense, I only mentioned the changeling because green sun is going to be a satyr most of the time anyway
>>95914592Play via webcam?
>>95914592suck eachother off?
>>95914597I just want more green accessible energy payoffs
>>95914583Her effect is okay, although I don't think it really intersects with my aggro gameplan that well. Three mana for idle value isn't really how the deck operates.
Currently I'm debating on
>Herald's Horn>Jolrael>Heroic Intervention>Faithless Looting>Dolmen Gatefor possible cuts
>1pm
>twitch stream is still showing games instead of the panel
So it's not getting streamed?
>>95913989The difference is my post was recounting an event that actually happened, you're just larping tef pro revenge fantasies.
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>>95914583It's crazy that the antiUB people think MtG has any good lore worth preserving.
>GUYS THOSE LAME ELDRAZI THAT KEEP GETTING JOBBED ARE BACK YET AGAIN AND IT'S A TOTALLY SERIAL THREAT THIS TIMEThey should just shelve Eldrazi alongside Phyrexians and make Generic Religious Borg Alien Ripoff Race #3
>>95915568Looks like that adds 21 new vehicle commanders if I'm counting right, and 1 new spacecraft commander.
Nifty. I guess that means future reprintings of Shorikai don't need the line allowing it to be a commander anymore.
Not sure all that many vehicles wanted to be in the command zone, but spacecraft could be interesting (especially since they're designed more around it anyway).
>>95915634I'm not antiUB for lore reasons, most of UB is fucking hideous and cross licensing is always cringe.
>>95915476But i am also speaking from lived experience anon. It's funny you're still seething over the card
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Custom cards are now real.
>>95915678>a 4 color theme commander that makes sense to each colorUhh if this is actually real I'm gonna build it. This is awesome.
>>95915712Oh
Never mind
I hate it
>>95915678>New 5 color just droppedHow exhausting
>>95915678Oh boy another place to put Fist of Suns and all the things that combo with it.
>>95915678>perfect thematic design>let's put a black symbol on it for NO REASONGarbage.
>>95915764Going in my goddamn Master of Keys deck.
MAGIC IS BACK BAYBEE
Is this not one of the most busted precon commanders that has ever been printed?
>>95915786I dunno, is it?
>>95915786Very simple and effective. Can't wait for Darksteel Reactor to blow up in price.
>>95915768I hope you lose your next game
>>95915786windmill slamdunk into my Guff superfriends deck
>>95915668>he's projecting because he got called out for his revenge fantasiesSad.
>>95915815>Is 18 Canadian dollarydoosBlow up is a weird way to say "go up 3-4 dollars"
This can now be your commander thanks to the new rules change.
The only reason I think Planeswalkers aren't allowed as commanders is the sheer amount of them at this point.
Legendary Vehicles is a pretty small group and most are mono colored (aka mediocre commanders)
>>95915837Planeswalkers as commanders wouldn't honestly impact anything and they should just do it
>>95915837This not being limited makes it kinda interesting. I might build it.
>>95915786Buy up Aura of Dominion before it spikes BTW. Goes infinite with Kilo and Pentad prism.
>pay 1 mana and tap kilo to pay for the cost, effect goes on stack>kilo's tapped proliferate effect to add 1 charge counter onto pentad prism (which you can remove to make a mana)>untap kilorinse and repeat
>MAGIC the gathering>full on sci fi setAt least kaladesh was magical sci fi.
This shit is just a straight up a robot robot
>>95915786
>>95915842Yes anon, nothing will happen. Nothing at all. Change the rule.
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I like the new spaceship mechanic. Its interesting design space, a vehicle that you "invest" power on and that permanently becomes a creature later
Bug Boy
It's Crucible of Worlds/+1/+1 counters matter that plays well with Fetches during your turn.
>>959159957+ straight up does not look like magic fuck me I hate this set already
>Nerf Mazirek's sacrifice trigger
>Give him +3 toughness
>Make him jund
>He lets you play lands from graveyard
At least jund insects finally have a good commander to work with.
>>95916027Can you still do infinite with Murderous Redcap? Asking because I'm not sure about the targeting effect during the sacrifice.
>>95916037Yes. Although if you couldn't figure that out you probably dont need infinites
>>95915995The templating on this is super confusing
Is that ability only active at 7+ charge counters?
>>95916016>>95916027seems super
duper boring
>>95916070Yes, its pretty simple
>>95916066You're a real comedian, anon
>>95916070That's what it looks like. When it drops it's just an artifact with the ETB. When it has 7+ counters it turns into a creature with the text in the bottom half of the textbox
>>95916070Its pretty obvious that is what's going on. It just looks retarded. The top half is the effect. Everything in that slightly grayed out bar is the creatures effect. That's why it says other creatures.
>>95915995This is just level up but retarded
>>95916025Have you seen any of the level up cards? This is essentially a smaller version of that.
That, and a different templating for "If this card has seven or more charge counters, it gains". Which would be a bit more awkward to do when it can instead be condensed into the number and a keyword.
>>95916148Aesthetically and mechanically level up is very different. Spheres also just have a less magical feel
>>95916187>their luck>theygod i fucking hate woketards
>>95916187>In the future everyone is trans
>>95916187>theira single word makes people seethe so much, it's incredible. truly the most rent-free word in modern history
Finishers for simic voltron?
>>95915995If you have at least one other creature I think this is the most reliable thing you can curve into to turn it on.
>Cast first creature>Cast Seriema tutor Beza>Cast Beza, make two fish, and crew Seriema to 7 charge counters with all of your creatures.
>>95916213>use a word objectively incorrectly>ties in wonderfully with all of the woke shit wizards is doing otherwiseYeah, it's really fuckin' dumb.
>>95915568Alright, which IP did they get the rights for that this is a preemptive change for? Mad max? Gundam? Star Wars so you can have the death star as a commander? You know I'm right.
>>95916242Honestly it took it as the EoE set that they're prepping for. Lots of named ships like how Star Trek/Star Wars has named ships/space stations
>>95916227My thought was cloudgoat ranger, but I forgot he's a 3/3.
>>95916242SPACEBALLS 2 THE MAGIC SET
>>95916187Reminds me of that one girl from Outlaw Star with the 2 cat co-pilots except, yaknow, lame and gay
>>95915956>That famous quote about sophisticated technology being indistinguishable from magic
>>95916296What was that other one that also had the cat and the girl piloting the robot? Was it IGPX back when that was skirmish battle robots and not a race
>>95916291>My thought was cloudgoat ranger, but I forgot he's a 3/3.5 drop non legend so even if it was bigger it couldn't be searched and couldn't be curved into from 3 mana. This card WOULD be the best target if it were real. There's no reason it couldn't be it just isn't.
>>95916364Either way it seems more like something to play in yoshimaru/whatever rather than by itself.
>>95916213Say Christ is king
>>95916500>submit to my religion for disagreeing with melmao no
>>95916213Reddit is that way
>>95916507Annoying isn't it?
>>95916500Why would anyone worship the god of the jews?
>>95916522>>95916507GET FUCKING SMOKED NERD LMAO
Watch this get a reprint in EoE for the DUNC reference
>>95916538Was upset the vanilla mythic wasn't that big fake sandwurm
>>95916529>>95916522>samefagging>so mindbroken you think treating people with respect is religionjesus would use proper pronouns btw
>>95916564No he wouldn't you fucking philistine
>>95916593>jesus wouldn't treat people with BASIC respectyou've warped the teachings and are a pathetic shell of yourself. say a hail mary.
Into the trash it goes. I was so excited, can anyone sell me this commander?
>>95916633it's trash ignore it
neither of them are the real commanders they're just the backups
the real commanders are both spacecraft
>>95916604>>95916609You're delusional if you think Jesus would encourage mentally illness the denial of reality, not to mention the disgusting sexual debauchery that inevitably comes with all trannies
>>95916633Dude, you can do jund sacrifice AND jund lands matter.
>>95916638Uh sweetie, he hung out with the dregs of society and prostitutes and stuff
I know it was to help them through the tough times and stop their wicked ways, but it's funny to watch the reddit crowd go wild
>>95916564>>95916609The Albigensian Crusade didn't go far enough
>>95916633The world's shastiest Greater Good deck:
>Sac shit, draw cards>make your next sac target bigger>discard all lands to yard because you can play them anyway>drop bobo the hangry and bolt people by discarding lands
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Will Abzan finally get a vehicles commander?
>>95916686AIIEEEEE WHICH ONE? THE CARD DOESN'T SAY WHO CHOOSES WHICH LAND!!! ROSEWATER SAVE ME!!!
>>95915786Unironically streamlined and sleek design. No WORDS WORDS WORDS apart from the reminder text. No complicated etb abilities or triggers. I like it for that alone
>>95916731Robots don't belong in Magic and if you're willing to tolerate any amount of slop so long as it has effect text you like, you are a parasite
>>95916743This nigga doesn't know who Karn is lmao
>>95907267>should i stop winning so much?cannot even with this game
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>>95916743I'll let wotc know that magic hasn't been magic since Vsions.
>>95916647Yeah I see what you mean.
But I was really excited for this commander and he just seems .. Boring?
>>95916755Construct, not robot.
>>95916794He's a golem, not a construct. If you're going to be a pedantic retard faggot, get it right.
>>95916633Just play Windgrace or Kresh like a big boy
>>95916764phyrexian walker is peak magic, it all went downhill from here
>>95916820No, this
>>95916500 is a golem
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>>95916684Damn, zero commanders mention vehicles, only *one* even mentions artifacts? Fuckin grim.
I substitute he or she any time a nuCard says singular "their".
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>>95916743>Robots don't belong in MagicRobots have existed in Magic for decades get over it
>>95916903This is unironically the best single-card commander for Abzan vehicles. (There are probably some better partner pairs but I can't be bothered). The next closest one is probably Myrkul so your vehicles can come back after dying.
>>95916903>UR are the artifact colors>WhOa non U and non R commanders don't do much with artifacts?!?Kys
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>>95916743are you high??? this took like 10 seconds of searching
>>95916956CONSTRUCTS ARE NOT ROBOTS
SEE HOW THERE IS A ROBOT TRIBE NOW
LEARN TO READ
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Legendary Creature - Human Rat Survivor Pilot
4/4
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if this is tapped and not attacking, mill X cards, where X is this' power. Then, return a vehicle from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped and attacking. Return it to your hand at the end of combat.
>>95916956for me it's the yotian soldier he cute
>>95916963>my opinion is better than your factOkay, mate. Whatever you say.
reinforcements... or refreshments?
>>95916979>NOOOOO IGNORE THE TEXT ON THE CARD, I THINK THEY LOOK LIKE ROBOTS SO THEY ARE!!!!Middle school IQ
>>95917007You are visibly upset. Go touch grass.
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>>95917007Where on those cards does it say construct? :^)
>>95917028That's not hte cards, stupid...
>>95916963>Robots>Robots, Fantasy
>>95917017Making all planeswalkers legal commanders was on my prediction list along with hybrid mana and wishes :(
>>95916956>shows up 20+ years ago and never sinceNot a good position at all lmao
>>95917032Tell that to your pod when you play them.
>>95917053NOOOOO IGNORE THE TEXT ON THE CARD
>>95917041>1 – 60 of 354 cards where the release year > 2000 and (the illustration contains “robot” or the card types include “robot”) and it’s legal in CommanderSure, dude.
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>>95917060Yes. oracle trumps whatever is written on the card, deal with it.
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I don't understand what they mean about a a potential rule issue with Grist.
Grist has always been a legal commander
I'm very confused and he never elaborates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w75DcnrdoTc
Rip & Macar 1GBW
Legendary Creature - Human Survivor Noble
4/4
At the beginning of your post-combat main phase, if this is tapped, exile target creature.
When this untaps, reveal the top X cards of your library, where X is power, and put a creature or vehicle from among them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library.
>>95917074Constructs are just magitech robots, anon.
>>95917078I don't know how this is an issue with grist at all
https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/230173?page=1&Language=English
What are some STONKS to be following given the recent rules change? Looks like Chariot won't be one of them.
>>95917078I think he was talking about "when designing Grist" since that part was talking about pre-Aetherdrift discussions
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>>95917106lol so fucking predictable. It's obvious when it's a single person, too, like all the other buyouts of cards that happened days before the price spiked by like 1000%
>>95917035WotC backpedaled and deconfirmed wishing because having answers to cheese strategies that require specific cards to stop is unfun now, apparently.
>>95917089A suit of armor with a soul is not a robot. Robots, run on electricity, and fucking called robots, are robots.
>>95917134electricity is the soul of god(s)
>>95917035>along with hybrid manaThe one discussion that I 100% agree with both sides of the issue.
>>95917124https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/555987?page=1&Language=English
>>95917127Sitting on this bad boy, it's going in all my blue decks as soon as they greenlight it
>>95917134Most constructs don't have souls. Hell, I'd argue the only one who ever did have a soul was Karn, just because a machine could never fuck up as bad as Karn did.
>>95917141The fuck does that even mean?
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>>95917144holy shit lmao. Master Multiplied is another good one. 300+, then 800+ the next day. There was a card from the 90s that had like 600 or whatever buys in one day after nothing for decades
>>95917151I assume one side of the discussion is if a card is {W/R} it can be run in a mono white, mono red, or w/r deck because any of those decks could pay for its mana cost.
>>95917151I can't post proofs but Wizards has come out in the past and said they think hybrid mana should count as EITHER color for color identity rather than BOTH.
Rules Committee always disagreed.
Same thing with wishes actually. The comprehensive rules do not say that wishes may only pull from a sideboard. Wishes pull from any card you have in your collection, but in tournament play the imposition of a sideboard means you're only allowed to choose from that.
Rules Committee didn't want wishes, so we don't have wishes.
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>>95917151pic rel
>>95917155I agree 100% that, for example, pic rel should be allowed in monowhite/monoblue decks, and I agree 100% that it should not be allowed in those mono colored decks.
>>95917127>backpedaledLol no
UB tourist here
How does this card work? Who gets to draw the cards and make the tokens?
>>95917179You. The person who has him
>>95917179The person attacking with it.
>>95917179Kain deals 2 damage to an opponent. You draw 2 cards, create 2 treasures, lose 2 life, and hand the card over to your opponent. Next turn your opponent can attack with Kain, drawing cards etc and handing it back to you.
>>95917148>Most constructs don't have soulsLets not get into the morass of what a soul is, Karn and may other machines in magic do have sentience and sapience.
>>95917179>UB slop has poorly worded effectsColor me surprised.
Okay, the way you have to imagine this is that the effect in its entirety goes on the stack before it resolves. So when it went on the stack, you were the controller of Kain so any reference to you means you. Then the effect resolves, other player takes Kain, you get the cards treasure etc.
Then if that player deals combat damage later, it resolves in the same way, effect goes on the stack, all references to "you" mean its controller at the time it went on the stack, which is now them
>>95917190>>95917185So why would my opponent ever hand kain back to me
I think this might become a very good commander soon.
>>95917208Because it's funny and funny plays make for a good game.
>>95917208Strategically not attacking at all makes sense unless they want to draw cards and make treasures, so they would still attack your other opponents racking up Commander Damage.
UB is for faggots though
>>95917208Because they want to draw and ramp themselves, you can also just take it back.
>>95917212There's plenty of Draw Card slop Commanders that are cheaper and have better colors.
>>95917198What other machines have sentience and sapience?
>>95917208Because they're greedy and want cards and mana, or because you played something that forces combat. There's probably a dozen or more forced combat cards, not even including goad, but I happen to have pic related saved so there you go.
I'm phone posting and have to wait 300 to make a thread. One of you fucks go make it
>>95917231Aetherdrift just created a pile of them.
>>95917236How do you know they are sentient?
>>95917243Because I was told through the lore, you don't need more information than that retard.
>>95917227Hmmm, how about the Indomitable? Coastal piracy in the command zone sounds decent and alot better than vehicle token Yan Mulan (not that anyone plays her).
The Falcon is a really weird reanimator commander.
I'm not sure how good waste ramp would be from the Regalia, it's not like colorless commanders are lacking in ramp now.
>>95917247Ok, so if the Robots are sentient & sapient and appear to be possessing of a soul, why is that fundamentally different from a Construct?
>>95917204Its not poorly worded doe
>>95915995another set, another attempt at making vehicles work
>>95916213Sure, lets just speed past the speed bump of seeth of "He / Her" caused that the retarded suicidal mind-goblins couldn't get over.
>>95906763 (OP)Should I get a budget precon, or buy some sort of budget deck to learn with?
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