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>Previous Thread: >>95901891

>Thread Question:
What's the most controversial conversion or piece of homebrewed fluff you have added to your dudes?

>Alternative Topic:
What do you think is the strongest list cathay can pull at 2000pts? assuming the rule of 3 is active and counts the lanterns used as mounts too

reminder Cathay is the NPC faction. Do not play Cathay armies.

Have anyone here tried using the detachment rules for TOW? Is it any good?

Must collect army.

Ready to paint some Cathay?

>>95907143
wdym?
You take them and they can react for you.

>>95907145
>detachment was never a unique empire thing
fucking newfag

>>95907160
What do you mean? I asked if it was any good. They have to stay so close to the main unit I wondered if it ever came up much and if it made a difference.

>>95907141
GTFO with those two faggots.

>>95907159
What wash should you use alongside the base paint to get Cathyian skin right?

>>95907141
What's wrong with this?

>>95907181
Square Cucked are WAACfag tourney cunts who unironically shill AoS and shit on classic minis

>>95907179
Seraphim Sepia, or Agrax if you want to portray them as authentically dirty.

>>95907141
Jesus. Why does it have 7 wounds.

>>95907181
no. games.

>>95907207
to survive the counter attack after a giant, un-flammable ballon, charges and wrecks your shit with impact hits and then next round floats away because fuck you,

>>95907230
It not being flammable actually makes sense when you realize they use a bird in the balloon to make it fly.

The seethe Cathay is causing in this general is so fucking funny

>>95907257
wait... really?

>>95907141
And empire players are NPCs.

Reading through the TOWRPG Player Guide, I'm just wondering why they didn't bother to release the GMs guide at the same time

>>95907269
Flavor text to the left

>>95907269
>Kongming Sky Lanterns are used by Cathayan armies to observe enemies from on high, as well as direct troops in battle. Held aloft by a caged Vermillion Warbird -- the magical creature's burning wings giving the great balloon the needed hot air to provide lift -- a Sky Lantern suspends an armoured gondola beneath its bulk

>>95907165
I didn't see anyone complaining about dwarves and tomb kings getting it

>>95907299
people complained when we first got the rules

>>95907295
>Kongming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNn9NxZH2Vo&list=RDgNn9NxZH2Vo&start_radio=1&ab_channel=TriaxFx

Based

>>95907166
Empire ones are probably shit because their infantry is shit
Dwarfs can be good
Skaven are superb

>>95907299
then you are new as fuck given it got brought up pretty fast that Empire lost detachment as an exclusive army rule when the rulebook dropped.

>>95907295
>>95907309
>Kongming
lmaooooo. Nice sensitivity team you hired. Imagine creating a new Cannon for Empire and calling it the Napoleon Cannon lmaooooooooooo

>>95907295
Cathay lore is pretty neat.

Cathay is fine as long as you don't bring the dragon bitch in a non-competitve / casual game.

>>95907316
>Imagine creating a new Cannon for Empire and calling it the Napoleon Cannon lmaooooooooooo
Kongming was Chinese despite having an anime.

>>95907289
It in mode to avoid catering to GMs right now.

>>95907337
What

>>95907299
There was instant REEE when tomb kings got it then dwarves. You truly are a baby here.

>>95907336
I know, I wasn't making a Kongming Jap Napoleon French thing. It's more so about using the name of a very famous real person as the name of a war machine. It's like calling it Sun-Tzu Lanterns. Kongming is almost on that level of fame in the East. Not just in China but all of East Asia. That was my point.

>>95907355
Warhammer literally has their own version of Da Vinci. It wouldn't surprise me if they eventually reveal that Kongming actually existed in Warhammer and he invented the Sky Lanterns.

>>95907355
Ya imagine naming weapons after a person..... Like the Nimitz class carriers, or the Pershing tanks, or the Browning sub-machine gun.... sure would be silly.

>>95907355
Famous people get stuff named after them all the time, so it's not really weird, is it?

>>95907366
>>95907367
>>95907373
Imagine hiring a Euro sensitivity team and coming out with a Napoleon Cannon war machine. How do you not see how hilariously cringe this is?

>>95907355
Apparently kongming lantern is another way to refer to sky lanterns, though in that case the name kongming sky lantern is redundant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_lantern

>>95907387
>How do you not see how hilariously cringe this is?
Because famous stuff is named after famous people all the time.
Does a Caesar Salad give you the heebiejeebies?

>>95907387
>>95907402
damn real life sure is racist, China needs to rename those.

>>95907402
Alright in that case I retract my statement and they are named after their inventor irl who's " courtesy name " (???) was Kongming.

>>95907421
Zhuge Liang was a inventor in fiction.

>>95907346
It's a marketing strategy. Many companies are trying to market to the players instead of DMs/GMs. They figure because there's more players then DMs and DMs are picky about what games they play.

>>95907304
>>95907315
>>95907347
I remember people complaining about detachment being bad now, there wasn't an outpouring of complaints over other people getting it.

>>95907402
>>95907421
Mesmerize is a word used in the setting even though franz mesmer isn't in it. I don't think this is something to overthink, for chinese audiences it's probably named like a regular sky lantern and for everyone else it has a related chinese word in the name for flavour

I recognize the twg posters…this general has fallen…

>>95907538
We are wherever chinese dragon butt is

>>95907544
>Yin Yin vs the Fishmen
Pls GW.

>>95907544
>Zhao
I would have preferred Zhao. He's cool. And he has alchemists and shit. Alchemists are also cool.

>>95907562
Zhao Ming works better if they wanna bring out Ogres soon, Miao Ying works better against chaos tho

>>95907562
He's probably coming in the second journal anyway

>>95907574
>if they wanna bring out Ogres soon
What are the odds the fat boys escape from Smeg?

Look at those little guys

>>95907582
Ogres in AoS are Ogors now so they are probably distinct enough for stuff to start getting squatted for relrelease in ToW

>>95907230
Anon, flammable doesn't work like you think it works in TOW

>>95907587
They look pretty fresh for something that's been out of print for over a decade? Got something to share with the class?

>>95907582
2 years at best if specialist games are really 3 year cycle game now.

>>95907491
Not trying to be a jerk but are you ESL? The complaints were infantry bad, detachment being handed out with empire getting nothing unique in return. The rule itself is quite solid

>>95907622
/twg/ refugees, please understand.

>>95907606
I bought them on vinted. They were probably stocked somewhere

>>95907582
ogres have 2 options ahead:
>get squatted completely from aos and return to TOW with their full 8th ed range
>aos updates all the 6th ed models and ogres are free to return to TOW with the original extent of their 6th ed range

are empire players the whiniest?

>>95907111 (OP)
>>95907141
>>95907262
With all the bitching and complaining in this general, it makes me wonder if anyone is even going to pre-order any of the new Cathay stuff. Is Cathay going to end up selling out like the Bretonnia and Tomb Kings launch boxes? Or is it going to end up like Age of Sigmar's Dominion and Skaventide boxsets where GW overproduced and then tried drumming up FOMO to drive pre-orders but no one took the bait? We could see another repeat where Cathay battalion boxes are given away for free at tournaments and conventions.

>>95907650
yes, followed by elves, followed by chaos, followed by vampires

>>95907656
...did you really ask a filthy bot to write a shitpost for you?

>>95907656
I already pre-ordered before knowing their rules.
would actually be nice, if the batallion box is always available since Ill propably need a second after finishing the first.

>>95907656
Well I'm going to buy Cathay, and the stuff I buy usually sells out.

>>95907656
I'm def preordering the battalion box and dragon bitch

>>95907656
It will sell well. Despite rules being busted, it's a cool looming army and the pent up demand for new fantasy models is there.
I won't but that's because I play beastmen and now wood elves so I'm already well past my warham budget and I don't really find Cathay that interesting.

>>95907649
Does that mean Skaven and Vampires will make their triumphant return first?

>>95907701
>looming
Meant looking but those baloons and dragon kind of literally loom over everyone else don't they

>>95907141
>implying NPCs can remember this much
I look forward to your salty tears after you misplay to Cathay and get dumpstered despite them being mid

Who else in the "I don't give a damn about TOW so Cathay is not canon to my Warhammer" club?

>>95907316
That'd be pretty cool

>>95907732
Nah, don't be a splitter.

>>95907656
>Skaventide didn't sell

Weren't there a whole bunch of TOW Skaven players that said they would buy the box and then rebase them square bases?

>>95907544
I hope Yin-Yin never gets a model in any capacity just to spite you for your constant use of a shitty show

>>95907712
Absolutely, though i've seen a lot of rumors of Chaos Dwarves getting a AoS/ToW simultaneous release by the end of the year so probably not till 2026.
Vampires/Skaven/Ogres/Kislev/DoW. Next year at least. Chaos Deamons is a maybe

>>95907732
>Cathay is not canon
Been around since oldhammer, anon.

>>95907316
I don't get it.

>>95907756
They probably realized that old skaven models being squatted means they'd be in ToW officially soon so they may as well wait.

>>95907759
>Aos/ToW simultaneously release
Lol.

I'll see it when it happens.

>>95907656
I put in my pre-order with my LGS already, now I just need to hope they can actually fulfil it with the stock they get sent. Anon was saying his biggest US East Coast distributor only got sent 1 box which is not looking good for 2 I want to get downunder but what will be will be

>>95907387
Like a poisonous Tilean Lucrezia ?

>>95907770
AoS/TOW get Chaos Dwarves
WH40k/HH get Dark Ad Mech.
1 army each week of October

It is TOW.
It is not ToW.
It is The Old World.
It is not The of World.
Thank you.

>>95907793
tOW

>>95907756
Questionably useful

Clanrats, great
Rat Ogres, can be used but are terrible in TOW
Jezzails, great
Engineer, I have one but I got it off ebay for $8 and you probably only need 1
Grey Seer, I have no idea if that model would work on a 25mm and would look awkward as fuck in a unit
Mounted guy, no use in TOW
Gun chariot, could be used as a Doomwheel. But the Doomwheel is just a vastly superior model

>>95907793
if it were TOW there wouldn't be Cathay, but it;s hardly the first fundamental premise GW lied about.

>>95907839
TOW
Transformed
(to)
Oriental
Winnings

I don't care if Cathay lore is shit, a new faction is always welcome and it brings change to the TT

>>95907649
>get squatted completely from aos
I recall some Sigmarine models were squatted a little while ago, has there been a great squatting going on since the release of TOW? Does GW just want post-ET stuff in AoS and pre-ET stuff in TOW?

>>95907712
They're both more important, more requested and with much more of their respective ranges updated for aos, leaving the older kits up for grab by TOW.
it's really a question of whether GW as a whole wants so many of these parallel ranges existing between TOW and AoS, and whether TOW might want the core factions they've selected to focus on to sell worse because more options, and very attractive ones historically, become available again.
I don't expect legacy factions to appear before 2 more years, but skaven and vampires are definitely up there as the primary inclusions.

We'll see how quickly gw finishes updating or removing from AoS those older fantasy kits of those factions, because they still have some, even not counting end times models

You are angry because Cathay works. It moves like a machine. It punishes your sloppy play. You look for excuses, 'too strong,’ ‘unfair’ but really you just not used to discipline. Your armies rot and fall apart, and you clap. Cathay stands tall, and you cry. This is not imbalance. This is you, meeting something you can’t reduce to your usual self-pity.

>>95907903
>undead:
>corpse cart (7ed)
vampires in aos got updated recently and the corpse cart is still in their range, if it gets removed or updated it will be by 2027 at the earliest, vampires in tow can possibly make do without it, as they've done a long while before 7th edition
>crypt ghouls (7ed)
locked as basic troops of an aos army, we'll see if the update of that army, in the roadmap for this year, touches them, but I find it unlikely they will, TOW could potentially use the older metal models instead of the plastic kit, especially if they're turned into skirmishers of some kind instead of an alternative horde unit to zombies and skeletons
>hexwraiths kit (8ed)
locked as the only old fantasy unit in the nighthaunt range and visibly out of style with the rest of the new range, the ghosts are on the roadmap, relatively soon, and vampires already updated the other half of the kit (black knights) so it's highly likely this unit will be removed from aos or updated, freeing the kit for tow
>terrorgheist kit (8ed)
important centerpiece for ghouls, but aos vampires have already given up on the other half of this kit (vampire lord on zombie dragon) so it's possible aos will update this kit for ghouls and leave the big kit available for TOW, it's a headscratcher because we have no real rumors of a significant update for ghouls and their tools coming
>banshee (8ed)
>cairn wraith (8ed)
>necromancer (8ed)
>wight king on foot (8ed)
all single heroes, not important, tow can use the old metals
>crypt horrors/vargheists kit (8ed)
the crypt horrors are important for the ghouls army in aos, while the vargheists are still present in the aos vampires army, I find an update to both unlikely, it's easier for TOW vampires to simply not have these units
>mortis engine/coven throne kit (8ed)
ugly ass kits, TOW would do better by not getting them

>>95907895
no it doesn't

>>95907928
What's remarkable is that vampires, ghouls and ghosts are all getting touched in AoS in a relatively short timeframe, to me it speaks of a concerted effort to update or consolidate the undead models, and freeing some old kits for tow might be one reason for that

>skaven:
>night runners (6ed)
probably getting updated via sidegames within one year or so
>plague monks (6ed)
probably getting updated via sidegames within one year or so
>doomwheel (7ed)
unlikely to see an update anytime soon, TOW can use the older metal version
>screaming bell/plague furnace kit (7ed)
unlikely to see an update anytime soon, TOW can use the older metal version for the bell and simply lose the furnace
>hellpit abomination (8ed)
unlikely to see an update anytime soon, TOW can use the resin brood horror instead
>warp cannon/plague catapult (8ed)
unlikely to see an update anytime soon, TOW can use the older metal version for the cannon and simply lose the catapult

>>95907762
Not this Cathay

>>95907939
of course not, these are new models. Are you stupid?

>>95907926
I'm angry because Cathay is a waste of design space of what could have been a really great addition to the setting, but we knew that since TWWH3 so it's not exactly fresh.

>>95907933
nuh huh

>>95907949
Enjoy your slop

>>95907985
You've been eating GWslop for years, anon

>>95907903
Given that undead and skaven are the ones to most recently been focused on by AoS and given the time period of TOW it's highly unlikely for either the be main armies anytime soon. The most likely next legacy army is chaos dwarves assuming they aren't scooped up by AoS instead with ogres being just behind.

>>95907759
>a lot of rumors of Chaos Dwarves getting a AoS/ToW simultaneous release
absolute wishlist
the only rumor is that they're getting released for aos, starting with an army boxset of 15 models that include a not! dreadnought and an artillery piece, that's the extent of the rumors
everything else, from simultaneous release, to the idea that the incoming models were sculpted as a tow release but got snatched by the aos team, is groundless speculation

the only hope for chaos dwarfs in TOW is for the old forge world range to get resold as units in an arcane journal meant for chaos, with the vaguest hope of plastic updates for those models for a parallel range being so far in the future to be an irrelevant dream

>>95908021
>assuming they aren't scooped up by AoS
There are already multiple reliable rumors of them getting released for AoS before the end of this year.

>>95907759
>>95908026
Yea this, pretty reliable info that chorfs are going to AoS but also that they aren't going to be like classic chorfs whatever the fuck that means.

>>95907262
>>95907926
The fact that Cathay is serving so crassly as substitute for score settling on "CHADna" is what's pathetic.
>"Cathay stands tall"
You're the one who's short.

>>95907928
>could potentially use the older metal models instead of the plastic kit, especially if they're turned into skirmishers of some kind instead of an alternative horde unit to zombies and skeletons

Or they don't release those models AT ALL - like they did with many night goblin models (squigs to be precise), leaving you to guess which AoS models will fit, lol.

Does anyone know where a fella could get his hands on 5 plastic horses that are in scale with the metal marauder horsemen from 6th ed? Would I be able to just use horses from a historical manufacturer, provided they were still in 28mm scale?

>>95907582
Considering that ogres got like 2 new miniature in their existence in AOS, both updates btw I would say like 65%.

>>95907939
Yes, TOW != WHF, they've said it from the start
>Oh yeah, Bret knights were always women
>Yeah, they had matchlock back then
>It's just a myth that Steamtanks weren't common
>War Altar was made earlier, actually
>Yeah, Cathay was a super powered nation led by gods they just retreated from the setting later but were super relevant in the past! No one mentioned this because umm it's like the dark ages yeah

I will buy cathay... to use as hobgrots conversions

>>95908113
>2 new miniature

>>95908064
Ah, I see. You talk height now, like schoolchild. This is what happens when you run out of real thought. Cathay gets strong rules, good design, proper structure and instead of discussion, you cry joke. You not angry at game. You angry at idea of something not Western being better. That’s not critique but small spirit.

>>95908124
I think you would have better results with aos goblins and third party goblins.

>>95907673
>>95907701
>>95907783
If it sells out and your non-GW tournament scene allows you to use proxies, what can you even use as proxies for Cathay?

the cathay cannon/lantern crews are some of my favorite warhammer sculpts ever.

>>95908212
You must not like warhammer very much then.

>>95907146
Silly Yin-Yin.

Is it better to enter a marching column, redress the ranks and charge?
Or should I march, march and then charge?

>>95908215
why? they're nice looking and very characterful, exactly what I like in warhammer minis.

>>95907582
Bulls, Ironguts and Leadbelchers all share a body sprue. If GW refreshes Ogres it'll clear at least these kits for TOW. Maneaters and Butchers will obviously be dropped/refreshed because the main studio hates resin production too.

>>95908215
anon they're probably the only sculpts he's ever seen

>>95907758
>this is my Miao stand-in, it's Aqua from Konosuba
>the dragon form? A large anime figure of Aqua from Konosuba

>>95908152
Notice how 2 of those are for side games, 2 are terrain and only 3 are for main game units.
But I forgot the gorges you got me there.

>>95908254
The gorgers are also a warband for warcry or underworlds or some other side game too no?

>>95908215
they're pretty good for new models

Managed to play a 500 point Open Battle with my friend over TTS. A brutal and cataclysmic face off between Warriors of Chaos and Wood Elves.

The Wood Elves Glaid Captain opened the game trying to take a cheap shot at my general, but failed to wound. This resulted in the Warriors of Chaos going first in the roll-off, the Wood Elves losing their advantage.

Korgoth the Destroyer lead his Warriors, ordering the Knights to face behind their hounds and his own Warriors being concealed by another set of hounds.

It was...a glorious slaughter! The elves rain of arrows killed the dogs and by the time they were destroyed it was too late, the Chaos Khornates were upon them!

The Knights ran over a unit of Glaid guard and despite the help from 5 Wardancers, were torn asunder! The Marauders and Warriors charged into his second unit of Glaid Guard, Korgoth declaring a challenge against his general!

With terrifying precision, the Glaid Captain struck out with his Headsman's Axe, but only managed to sheer off 1 wound! Korgoth, wielding his gigantic double handed axe, struck down with all his might.

Even with the enchanted shield, the axe tore it to splinters and the Glaid Captain was ripped apart with but a single swing from Korgoth's bloody weapon.

The Glaid Captain's regiment also suffered mightily, the Khorne Warriors killing 5. They broke and were run down, and with only 2 wardancers remaining and having failed spectacularly to kill even one Knight, the battle was over!

Elven bodies littered the battlefield and the day was won by Korgoth, bearing the skull of the Glaid Captain for all to see, but most of all, Khorne himself!

Mucho texto

>>95908215
It's just perrynigger, ignore

>>95908254
>for side games
irrelevant, they get used for the main game too

>>95907701
It'll sell well becuase weebs

I've seen a lot of stuff about "trying to break into China" but GW don't need to do this they just need to a) not offend the Chinese and b) sell vaguely oriental plastic to pent up weebs

Mission accomplished.

>>95907318
Just lose the immortal dragon kings, I don't care about yet another 5000 year old immortal family who can never die

I want multiple dynasties and actual history where the empire rises and falls under different guys.

Models are fine, I don't care about TOW rules as no intention of collecting or playing again. Give me more details about the little guys of the faction though.

>>95908289
Sounds like it was pretty fast
congrats on the win

This thread really is full of pearlclutching niggers jesus christ

>>95908169
why the fuck would I go to a tournament, I will play with my friends

>>95908289
no trays?

>>95908379
Tournaments is where warhammer goes to die

>>95908169
Historical ming figures.

>>95908390
In the magical land of tube's and photons you don't need trays anon

When is the Cathay army book/arcane journal coming out

>>95908289
>WE roflstomp
Sounds like my practice wood elf games

>>95908376
even if you despise Cathay you should probably be happy that it'll attract whales and more whales means more chance of legacies coming back and sooner.

>>95908232
The correct options are Tomoko for human form and a 1/4 scale Misato for dragon form you pleb

>>95907749
don't bother. the redshirts and marketing interns outnumber us by so much now this is barely counts as a whfb thread.

>>95908394
Imagine how bereft of joy your life must be to play Warhammer for the rules alone

>>95908434
Let me guess, you think warhammer is built for narrative battle.

>>95908411
Preorders go up in like 36 hours

Is there hope for Araby or are we still meant to pretend like it's just Tomb Kings down there?

>>95908500
and they'll go down in 36.0001 hours, looking forward to the tears.

>>95908507
>Is there hope for Araby
No. They said Cathay and Kislev when they announced TOW and they still have all the legacy factions to fully support too.

>>95908507
We'll see with what Trump decides to do with Iran.

>>95908507
Can we keep imperial agents in 40K

>>95908507
maybe in like 7-10 years, it'd be faster to learn blender and make your own

>>95908420
I actually like Cathay

>>95908507
too problematic, not enough market, no clever ideas or designs
the best I can see for footnote factions like that is a pair of units that gets added to dogs of war, but they're so low in priority compared to everything else, and there's enough third party prints to use, that there's really no rationale to focus on them ever

Averland, best land.

Anyone got a pdf for TOW RPG?

>>95908602
There absolutely is a clever idea for Araby. The lore has from time to time mentioned that the winds of magic blow weakly in Araby because it's equatorial (ignore the other equatorial parts of the world shut up) so rather than doing magic themselves, Arabyan wizards bind Genies (read: Daemons) and have them do magic for them.

In other words; Arabyan wizards are Stand Users.

>>95908617
I do is there anything specific you want?

To the guy last thread asking about ranking up Tzaangors on 25s, yes but with caveats.
With great-weapons, they should be fine enough. However the kit doesn't want you to arm them all with that since it's an Age of Modeling is Evil kit and thus a special weapon so it wants you to use swords and shields or two hand-weapons and those won't rank up particularly well.
If you're dead set on using these, just use the 30mm bases bestigors go in. Or multibase.

>>95908423
Nah, at that point you lose the connection to water. If I'm not wanting yo spank Aqua cheeks Ranamon is also a dumb evil diva, and she recently got a Chinese exclusive double spirit evolution with Calamaramon to be the dragon form.

>>95908507
>araby in a post-Charlie Hebdo world
I don't think so

>>95908507
Just run them as counts-as high elves.
If people complain remind them Cathay exists.

>>95908632
I was just hoping to have a read through to have a look at it myself to see if it was worth buying, so really the whole pdf but no worries if you cba doing all that.

>>95908637
>trench crusade
>all these new historical crusade era games
I don't think that's why.

>>95908650
having bought the PDF it's alright but it's something you can wait for their isn't much new lore in the book it's mostly rules

>>95908617
>>95907624

>>95908642
>as counts-as high elves.
empire would fit way better
they would have gunpowder, guns on horses, normal human profiles, and the steam tank can serve as profile for an armored elephant, imperial ogres can also stand for djinn of various types, on a stretch

>>95908682
Ah thanks bro

>>95908667
No worries got it, ty for the heads up though.

>>95908686
>no horse archers
Sad thing is, no actual Warhammer army really gets close to how Araby is according to Warmaster.

>>95908734
why would you want horse archers instead of camel jezzails?

>>95908770
They are cool.

Post /YourDudes/

>>95908686
>>95908734
>>95908770
>steam tank: armored elephant
>outriders: camels
>warmachines: fireballs throwing djinn with summoners
>allied gyrocopters and gyrobombers: flying carpets

>>95908825

>>95908831

hej frens

where find only scans oldhammer stls and such?

thnx

>>95908831
Thanks to the southern Estalians for bringing tasty cooking to the Empire!

>>95908836
prefer the one that's in the core rulebook for WFRP4e

>>95908390
how do you move them then? just drag select? the seem misaligned as fuck

>>95908836
clean art

>>95908373
Thanks anon. Yeah it was fast, though my friend wasn't too pleased. Started getting frustrated when my Knights kept running over his unit.

>>95908390
No clue where to get the trays. Even downloaded TOW board, no trays. Nice scenery though.

>>95908418
Thing is I think my friend had the expectation to cause some damage but was pretty gutted when his archers just caught my dogs. Then, once his Wardancers flubbed up 7 attacks and did 0 damage to my Knights, it just fell apart for him there.

Honestly, I can see why he got miffed. That said I am playing tabletop tomorrow night so, will have some miniature pictures to share.

>>95908866

>>95908865 meant for >>95908409

>>95908831
Holy California! Lmaoing at those demographics

>>95908876

>>95908871
>No clue where to get the trays. Even downloaded TOW board, no trays. Nice scenery though.
do you play often? wanna playtest something?

>>95908866
Where did you get the clean art from?

>>95908887
>do you play often?

No, not really. Just with the one friend who is getting into tabletop and I play with.

>playtest something?

Not sure if I'd be free honestly due to other things (there is a reason my friend and I don't play often) but what did you have in mind?

>>95909022
i made a smart tray a while ago but never go to try it since i never got to play a game

>>95908226
Bwos?

>>95908880
It's a picture meant to a capture the diversity of possible scenarios a player could enact not a census count.

>>95909103
That doesn't explain the black people.

>>95907656
I've already pre-ordered my Cathay box and will be buying two Meows.
One for the tabletop and one for the jar.

>>95909112
Warhammer is for everyone, chud

>>95909117
The Jar?

>>95908871
Yeah I think wood elves have to be played very cagey, as much as 8th, where you effectively run around and only take fights you can wipe. It's why I'm hoping my wild rider recasts and stagcast come in soon because otherwise my biggest damage dealer is a dragon I've yet to pin and 10 wardancers and that's all that can reliably put out damage. Not that shooting doesn't give me consistent damage but not enough to handle fast moving armored stuff like knights or chariots or dragons

>>95909150
No dont ask.
And certainly dont Google "rainbow dash jar"

>>95908636
>you lose the connection to water.
and? The benefits far, far outstrip the losses. And if you need a connection to water using a generic lung style dragon for the dragon form and literally anything else painted deep blue for the human form would work though given how on the nose Yin-Yin is I would probably go for a Sadako-esque design and lean into the Yin of the Yin/Yang symbolism of being dark, cloying and cold something Aqua does not embody in any capacity

>>95909112
Black people exist in warhammer. Again that's supposed to be a collage of "interesting" events not a representative sample of the ethnic make up of the city

>>95909103
>>95909232
Lol.Lmao even.

>>95909232
>Black people exist in warhammer
No, they don't
>Again that's supposed to be a collage of "interesting" events
Again, that doesn't explain the black people.

>>95909280
He's coping about what's obvious crowbarring of DEI/black where they don't belong. They could have literally threw a couple Asians in as legit Cathayans. Instead they put in blacks wearing Imperial clothes. The usual diversity bullshit.

>>95909280
Do... do you not know of the southlands?

>>95909292
The southlands aren't in the empire, nor are southlanders.

>>95908831
>>95908876
Is the woman at the window an elf ? Her ears looks pointy.

>>95909298
No

>>95909285
>triggered by 1 melanin bigger
>rants
>anon points out that picture is just a picture
>triggering continues
I hate DEI slop too, which I'm curious if the new edition is worse or better ainde uaually focusing on that shit subtracts from creativity, but are you so thin skinned that you can't block out black people in your own fantasies unless they are absent from every mention?

>>95909297
Pretty sure since 5th they have been, iirc there's even a like moor reference at some point traveling.
Sorry anon the empire is untermensch

>warhammer rpg
>you can only play as the good guys
Fucking lame.

>>95909331
not much in terms of options, interactions and locations when roleplaying as a gor

>>95909285
They even made the noble in the career section a black guy again.
different from the WFRP book with new art.
must be an in-joke in C7 at this point

>>95909326
LeopoldHeim doesn't exist yet, and Sudenburg doesn't show up on the map for TOW nor do any sources talk about Sudenburg from arond this point in time

>>95909331
idk you can just play a necromancer in TOWRPG
they are pretty evil in the setting

>>95909171
If you're not gonna use the sea dragon for a water character then what's the point? You have other dragons for other elements.

>>95909297
The empire has a southland colony and many Arabyans shown are black.

>>95909232
>black
>people
Anon...

>>95909367
So to be clear, you do agree there are black people in the setting. Hell iirc there's (likely) still alive nubian expies south of tomb kings. So do we know there's no trade or contact, flow of information and people's during TOW time frame?
Don't get me wrong, if they are trying to claim Altdorf is as cosmopolitan as new York today then yeah fuck off. But if it's a picture of say marienburg which would be quite cosmopoltian (as a former sailor I can confirm most port cities are extremely more diverse than their countries) and it wouldn't be that shocking to see a southlander freed from araby or a galley slave who escaped etc.

>>95909449
>having a colony means your nation becomes a melting pot
>having merchants means your nation becomes dark skinned

Cathay being too strong is nothing new - it's not a first time GW presents a new army in this way. What more interesting - there are two ways out of this. Balancing FAQ or AJ with new models and rules for other factions to up their game. Knowing GW, I'd bet on second. So, if Cathay showed the powercreep we should expect from now on, are Legacy factions completely fucked now? Not that they was in a good spot to begin with - only VC and DE had some game. But now those too are gone as well, and weaker factions is FUBAR.
Or am I doom preaching and Legacy would be fine?

>>95909317
>1
Anon the cover has a black imperial and there are more black imperials in the book.

>>95909486
>What more interesting - there are two ways out of this. Balancing FAQ or AJ with new models and rules for other factions to up their game.
There's a third way: community balancing Cathay by either writing their own FAQ, or imposing a comp than de facto nerf them (like Cathay being able to take 1900 points instead of 2000). That might even force GW to tone the powercreep, like they did with Votann.

>>95909552
>community balancing Cathay by either writing their own FAQ, or imposing a comp than de facto nerf them
This is what I assume will happen and I look forward to the BOLS seethe article about it like they did with the Legacy pack

>>95909280
> Black people exist in warhammer
> No, they don't
You can say they wouldn't be encountered in Talabecland, central province far from sea ports. But saying they don't exist in Warhammer is too dumb even for /tg/ level of intelligence.

>>95909563
They wouldn't be encountered in the old world.

>>95909563
Are Beastmen people, too? No one is denying Blacks exist in Warhams. We're denying their personhood.

>>95909561
Honnestly, I see GW tanking the game with powercreep on the long run.
I'm not a big fan of tourny fag like the Square Based dudes (even if I play semi competitive tournaments), but's I really good thing they pulled their "Renegade Pack". On the long run, it's only the tournament scene that is organized enough to force GW to fuck off, and ensure than casual pickup game stay relatively "balanced".

>>95909486
>too strong

according to who? its day 1 kneejerk reactions. i would wait to see some actual data on winrates before everyone goes homeruling or nerfing the faction into oblivion to see if it is actually as overpowered as people say or if it is just meant to contend with the other heavyweights of the game currently running around like the flying circus or mortuary cult

if you, TOs or GW go nerfing cathay before they have any data it will likely be hyperbolic and punitive, rather than appropriate to the need, and tank the army without proper evaluation

>>95909586
>if you, TOs or GW go nerfing cathay before they have any data it will likely be hyperbolic and punitive, rather than appropriate to the need, and tank the army without proper evaluation
They did it with Votann tho. Howewer, I'm not good enough as a competive player to have an enlighted opinion wether Cathay is THAT OP.

We should also take in consideration "casual pickup player". Let's take Empire for example: you can do some very strong list with them, but they will not be "like" casual player expect to play the Empire .

>>95909586
> I wanna see win rates
from what garage games? Basing all rules from competitve events is a great way to turn your game into a exclusive club that dies out when casuals move on.

>>95909580
That's why I quoted him - he said "warhammer", not "empire". If we use beastmen, he basically said they don't exist in warhammer, which is dumb. Better point would be - there are roughly equal chances to encounter either beastman (in disguise) or black man in Talabheim (Talabecland, Empire), and these chances are abysmally small, maybe even nonexistent

>>95909640
There are no chances of encountering a black man in the empire.

>>95909385
Aqua isn't a dragon man

>>95909682
Aqua is a drag on man

>>95909610
what else then? if you cant balance it based on competitive games, ie the only games for which any data is gathered, then what do you balance it on? vibes? gut instinct?

by taking >>95909609
example of the votann, thats how you get the 10th edition punitive votann rewrite that resulted in them having a 28% winrate for the first 3 months of the edition and needing to have their points dropped multiple consecutive times until their points ultimately ended up dropping 50% in a matter of months and players army sizes needed to very suddenly double, peoples 2000pt playable armies were suddenly 1000pts overnight because they rewrote the army based on vibes instead of hard data.

>>95909586
> or if it is just meant to contend with the other heavyweights
And that is powercreep - if all new models and rules will be as strong, as the strongest old ones. Or stronger (to boost sells).

>>95909704
>nerf op faction
>the rest get on by fine until GW can make the new faction not retarded
>people still buy it
Its almost like the vast majority of people don't get locked into meta chasing like a slave and for them balance is not a math thing but a "can this army stand a chance" thing that involves more holistic things like "if an entire army is always a to s tier at everything it's going to fuck up all the b and lower tier faction"
This kills the waacfag

>>95907111 (OP)
AVANTI PIGGALO!

The double turn honestly works better here than in aos. If i cared for the setting i'd figure out how to implement it in tow with some fluff.

>>95909798
Fuck off perryfag

Why are people angry at Cathay for using High Magic?

>>95909798
why do you need fluff? thats just the momentum of battle shifting, as often happens in real wars. if anything the fixed turn order is too static, random turn orders are more accurate to representing battlefield chaos and shifting tides, although an ever better representation still is probably alternating activations

>>95909854
Humans aren’t supposed to be able to cast it.

>>95909854
In the old lore at least, don't know how it is now, it was not just another Lore, but something like a higher form of magic, exclusive to the Elves (and not all of them) and Slann. It was stated that Human minds can't master or cast this. And while we have some very strong human mages in the lore, indeed none of them (AFAIK) knew High Magic. Shugenja, despite having some dragon blood in their ancestry, are still fundamentally human. Granting them access to High Magic contradicts established lore and can come across as having strong "Mary Sue" overtones.

>>95909920
>he doesn't know about the single drop rule
sorry buddy, they're not humans they're dragons

>>95909722
If you want to bring state troops closer to jade warriors just give them the same shield or halberd choice for free and an upgrade to drilled option at 1ppm. Then they’re 6 points to the JW’s 9 which feels pretty fair for the latter’s defensive special rule, +1WS and heavy armor. If you still think state troops are too bad give them horde and warband too.

Province rules would be fun for Empire State troops.

>>95909920
Their culture is about attaining balance.
High Magic is reaching balance in the use of all Winds.
Thematically, it fits for the faction to use it.

>bored so watch some total war warhammer trailers
>notice that some have more views than stuff like AoS' 4th edition cinematic trailer
not neccessarily shitting on AoS, but this is strange right?
AoS is supposedly much bigger and popular than fantasy ever was, yet fantasy has the larger online presence? even if 99% is just total war

like you got a trailer for harry the hammer having the same views as AoS' 4th edition trailer, or chaos dwarfs or grand cathay reveals having much higher views

>>95909854
Teclis taught the separate schools of magic specifically because humans couldn’t handle the 8 winds in unison and use high magic. Even Cathay’s unique magic is simply multiple winds in unison, not all of them.

>>95909932
People dont even know warhammer has a tabletop game

>>95909932
Video games have more reach, you idiot.

>>95909946
better than not knowing of your existence at all I suppose

>>95909932
>but this is strange right?
No. Significantly more people play video games than tabletop.
>yet fantasy has the larger online presence?
Because of the popular video games that use the setting.

>>95909932
Yeah it is weird. What sales figures we have show AoS sells decently but it has very little online presence. Part of that may be due to the hostile atmosphere post-End Times and GW’s own embarrassing initial lore and rules for the setting. But I would caution you against thinking TWW trailer views = real wargame interest.

Do Cathayan heroes have super speed in TWW or something? It’s so weird both the iron claws and celestial sword give Strike First as an actual rule.

>>95909973
They have perfect vigor so yeah kinda

>>95909923
It sets them apart, not make them a dragon

>>95909931
It was stated that it's more complex than "I'll study each lore, and then balance it with the power of my culture". Thematically GW can fit anything anywhere and justify everything, it is their world. Still, an attempt like this will be met with disdain. You may disagree, but you asked why people angry - I answered.

>>95909961
oh yeah, hence why I put the 99% thing
its just strange is all, videogames may have a much broader audience but remember that
>total war is PC only
>its grand strategy and RTS which is niche, even if we all have autism
>some of the shit (like harry the hammer) is a free DLC for a single character who isnt even a lord

whats stranger still is AoS' complete lack of videogames, I expect no publisher wants to touch it with a 10 foot barge pole over fantasy (as fantasy has spawned 2 successful videogame franchises) or theres some retarded GW thing where they're like "you can use the IP but fantasy must be swapped for AoS" and the publishers turn away because of it, and I believe GW hs mentioned in half yearly reports that they've been pitting some money into publishers or whatever to make videogames
we had realms of ruin but that was a flop

>>95909989
Best AoS videogame pitches would IMO be either a soulslike where you’re a Stormcast in one of the freaky magical dungeon cities in the setting like Shadespire, Cursed City, the Silver Tower etc. or an even more top level than Total War grand strategy, more like Dominions where you play an actual god or godbeast and their followers and actually do the in-setting shit impossible to replicate on the table like curse a whole realm, rip open reality etc.

>>95909989
you have youtubers that play tww and that encroaches on kids, so it can appeal to the lowest common denominator for the wrong reasons. Or Right. Who knows.

Also I wouldnt go expecting an actual game for any of the war-hammer settings anytime soon, the current video game industry is fucked and is doomed for a crash. It also doesnt help that GW can only rely on tried and tested game companies (granted pretty much all of them are either encumbered or you are CA where you are legitimately on your last breath), hence why 40k keeps getting nothing but mobile slop.

Also, ff GW wasnt so anal about the IP people would probably allow fan creations, I mean shit look at where touhou went because of that.

>>95909989
>AoS' complete lack of videogames
There was something like 4 or 5 AoS games in 10 years. And at best 20 Fantasy games in around 40 years (4th edition was published in 1992 IIRC). Sure, some Fantasy games were more or less successful, so they are known. But aside from TWW, I'm not sure that's due to setting.
You draw too many conclusions from nothing, and the main basis for them is simply your hatred of AoS.

>>95909961
AoS does alright in sales, but they've been fairly stagnant for three or so years now. Moreover, it has next to no presence or cultural footprint outside the realm of TTGs. A big part of AoS having zero reach is the fact that it has produced/influenced no successful video games. For better or worse, no popular games means no YouTube/Streaming presence, which means it's totally off the radar for normalfags.

This is speculation on my part, but I honestly think AoS has a "passion" problem. To put it another way, no one gives a fuck about AoS fluff so it doesn't pull the same levels of investment/retention that 40k or Fantasy do. Sure, you'll find no shortage of people who think the AoS models look cool, but you'll be harder pressed to find the same level of attention given to, or conversation surrounding, the stories or characters in the setting.

>>95909989
I mentioned it above, but I think the problem is that no one cares about AoS lore. No passion or investment means that the only thing produced is by-the-numbers slop (at best). Say what you will about the Dawn of War games or the Total War games, but you can at least tell that at least some people on team gave a genuine fuck about the IP.

>>95910070
>This is speculation on my part, but I honestly think AoS has a "passion" problem. To put it another way, no one gives a fuck about AoS fluff so it doesn't pull the same levels of investment/retention that 40k or Fantasy do
I think this is becoming a case with 40k too, at least with videogames
look at how vermintide 2 is treated over darktide
its the older game and the playerbase was worried it would be put on life support because darktide was the new thing
only for the reverse to happen and vermintide constantly getting new content like classes and maps while darktide gets its 50th weapon and crafting rework instead of just doing the VT2 system which is fine already
the passion just isnt there for darktide
vermintide 2 is the game fatshart wants to make, darktide is the game they've been paid to make

look at space marine 2, theres nothing really "inspired" about it and the first game has had more of an impact to 40k as a whole, despite 2 being way more popular and played by way more people
then again, both could just be a representation of how soulless 40k has become

>>95910070
AoS does have some fun tidbits, my go-tos are the skaven that tunneled through the floor of the ocean in the realm of death and flooded Skavenblight literally and metaphorically with an eternal zombie problem(while a Gray Seer watched the whole thing and laughed his head off), or the fact that every now and again Malekith kicks down his mother's temple doors, calls her a whore, and immediately leaves.
But there is nothing compelling, and I personally just like snake ladies. I haven't played a single game of the new edition, since TOW has been consuming all my bandwidth for fantasy.

>>95910147
Didn't darktide basically messed up it launch tho ?

>>95909961
>What sales figures we have show AoS sells decently but it has very little online presence.
No TWW or ratclick = no swarm of secondaries who have never touched a mini flooding every comment section with how it's teh best warggaem evarr!!!!1

Video game fags are a blight

>>95910069
>4 or 5 AoS games in 10 years.
What
I literally haven't heard of any

>>95910173
Yeah, Darktide was shit at launch and has no defined characters that make people care about the story like the Ubersreik 5.
Darktide’s core problem is a narrative one.

>>95910173
every fartshart game was messed up at launch

war of the roses, vermintide, vermintide 2 all had buggy launches
people tried telling the 40k fans that its gonna happen again, because its fartshart
but noooo, those warnings went ignored and it went into a massive "I told you so" when they realised they bought a buggy mess with a perfectly working cash shop

>>95910204
They’ve been trying to make the supporting cast carry the story, and the characters do drop some fluff in now and then. Ultimately though the planet is just so fucking boring.

>>95909476
>having a colony means your nation becomes a melting pot
Have you seen the former European colonial powers? They're constantly bitching the people that they took over now live in their country.
Or the USA, who stole half of Mexico and to this day remains seething over all the Mexicans in it.

>>95910160
>every now and again Malekith kicks down his mother's temple doors, calls her a whore, and immediately leaves
Good to see he hasn't changed a bit.

>>95910179
I remember the advertising for Storm Ground a few years ago. Generic squad tactics game that came out to middling reviews and quickly forgotten.
Just a couple years ago was Realms of Ruin, an RTS set in the Sigmarverse. Which looked like it had a decent sized budget but again, reviews were pretty middling.
Then a bunch of mobile games but I certainly wouldn't count those.

>>95910160
Huh. I was wondering what was up with Malekith since the earliest fluff said he became a god but never added him to the tabletop.
Also, what the fuck has Tyrion been up to? Caught snippets that he's up to some shit when the Teclis model dropped but nothing since.

>>95910179
Because no one gives a shit about them and they flopped.
Like the AoS card game, that no one gave a shit about, flopped, and my LGS tried to sell off for years at a heavy discount and ended up just taking them off the shelves.

>>95910147
40k is at a Rubicon of sorts—if it hasn't already been crossed. 40k is a setting that GW desperately wants to turn into a narrative. Thanks to a mix of The Horus Heresy (which is often conflated with 40k-proper) and a massive influx of new people (both directly into the hobby and as secondaries via games or YouTube), this change has largely been successful.

The problem here is that that change from setting to narrative fundamentally destroys 40k by gradually breaking down its framework and making the focus too narrow. 40k is no longer a setting in which stories are told (your stories, most importantly), but a narrative to be consumed and forgotten about when the next new thing comes.

You can see the repercussions of this now, but it will be undeniably apparent in a decade or so.

>>95910160
AoS just strikes me as a haphazard patchwork of ideas just thrown together with little consideration as to how they interact outside of "its marketable and cool". Like, there are interesting concepts in AoS, but none of them are developed in an interesting way.

CoS faction is probably the best example this. A coalition of city-states from different realms. comprised of elves, dwarfs, humans, and even some ogres from wildly different cultures. Neat idea, but how does this manifest in the fluff and on the table? 13th century (not)Germans with fucking corporate-aprroved palette-swap skin colours.

>>95910261
I think Tyrion and Malekith are enemies, they're perpetually prepping for the other to invade, but Malekith is in the elven gods group chat and I think they even made a little sub-realm to have tea parties. Morathi isn't invited.
Malekith has an entire sub-race of shadow elves that GW just hasn't done anything with. It's weird. Morathi was banished to a tiny chunk of the realm of shadow, basically just elf florida.

>>95910300
CoS is the most unfortunate casualty of how corporatized the game is.
It suffered before by being essentially four different armies stapled together, but they still had overlapping abilities and buffs like my favored bodyguard Phoenix Guard that pretty much made my foot commander unkillable.
Now it doubled down on "this is the human army" which goes against the fluff just because GW needed to tick a "Good human army" box.

>>95910300
>The problem here is that that change from setting to narrative fundamentally destroys 40k by gradually breaking down its framework and making the focus too narrow. 40k is no longer a setting in which stories are told (your stories, most importantly), but a narrative to be consumed and forgotten about when the next new thing comes.
They can continue shitting primarch mini for a while tho, that will keep the nu-40k player busy.

>>95907937
GW has like 4-5 years of runway on model releases, so any trend you deduce as a "concerted effort" must have began that long ago.

GW might suck of Cathay, but I know my boys C7 got Empire's back

>>95910325
CoS was originally a bone thrown to the grognards thst wanted to keep playing with their Fantasy models. The problem is, they created a faction of normal folk, and their narrative quickly jumped on those normal folk to try to sell the setting, as selling the Stormcast as characters just wasn't working. And once the normals of the setting became the most important part of it, GW knew they had to make bespoke models for it and push the old grogs out for good.

>>95910344
Because Cathay is not a human realm, is a Dragon realm with their human pets

TOWRP pdf or nah?

>>95908825
>>95908831
>>95908836
>>95910344
Cool! Now how do I go about making an autistic Cathayan Apothecary character for the new Warhammer The Old World Roleplaying Game?

>>95910160
> I personally just like snake ladies
Once they added back the Delves with TOW 2nd edition i'm not against them adding the Melusai to the faction.

>Orion is 455 points
>Ming Liao is 485
>people here will defend this
I understand the need to cuck the European factions to appease the mighty CCP but why the fuck did they have to do wood elves dirty like this? We were supposed to be the book before Cathay so it's not like they had a new edition in mind.

>>95910377
this. Cathay is not a human faction. It is the faction of tyrannical dragons that treat humans like tools and dogs. attempting to breed them into living weapons to fight against their enemies and using the rest as chaff

it is only through Sigmar that humanity will rise to it's full potential.

>>95907667
>>95907673
>>95907783
Reminder that the new Horus Hersey pre-order is up 1 week after the Cathay one. Players will most likely save money (and time) and buy that instead of Cathay.

>>95910519
Wood elves aren’t European. They’re just forgettable. They just haven’t suffered as much as beastmen.

>>95910545
But Sigmar canonically molests children

>>95910547
That’s a whole other demographic.

>>95910519
Yeah, it's called fucking "Pay-To-Win!" Orion costs less than $100. Expect Miao Ying's price of entry to cost upwards of +$200.

>>95909989
AoS had a major, recent attempt at vidya with Realms of Ruin, a RTS. Several things went royally wrong.

>Dev had no experience in an RTS
>The gameplay was absolutely abysmal esports slop
>It was an RTS, which many mainstream gamers wouldn't touch
>The players who did suffer it, were confused about the lore, often wondering if this was a Fantasy Spin-Off
>Why are the Orcs skinny?
>Why is everyone wearing gold?
>Am I fighting Vampire Counts?

>>95910571
>>The players who did suffer it, were confused about the lore, often wondering if this was a Fantasy Spin-Off
I still find it very funny they launched the biggest GW vidya project in decades (Total War) just AFTER nuking the setting. Making things very easy to explain to normie friends.

>>95907656
Sellers have already started pre-selling Cathay on Ebay.

>>95910625
Its so fucking over

>>95910519
I mean orion would win in a xombat, potentially at range too. And you can hid him amongst infantry unlike the dragon form.

>>95910625
>>95910632
Don't worry, there's more... While supplies last.

>>95910571
like an actual RTS like dawn of war, or an RTS/4X hybrid like Total War?

Playing my first 2k point game tomorrow, I'm running Empire vs tomb kings. Doing a combined arms list which I'm sure isn't optimal but I'm hoping it will be fun to run. Can anyone give me some tips on how I can play this list without getting completely stomped flat?

69 - Captain of the Empire, Shield, Barded Warhorse, Full Plate Armour
55 - Engineer, Hochland Long Rifle
258 - General of the Empire, Shield, General, Imperial Griffon, Full Plate Armour
116 - 5 Empire Knights, Lance, Preceptor
116 - 5 Empire Knights, Lance, Preceptor
80 - 10 State Missile Troops, Handgun
80 - 10 State Missile Troops, Handgun
105 - 15 State Troops, Shield, Sergeant, Standard Bearer, Musician
105 - 15 State Troops, Shield, Sergeant, Standard Bearer, Musician
196 - 3 Demigryph Knights, Full Plate Armour, Halberd, Demigryph Preceptor
185 - 15 Empire Greatswords, Count's Champion, Standard Bearer, Musician, Magic Standard
125 - Great Cannon
125 - Great Cannon
265 - Empire Steam Tank, Engineer Commander
120 - Helblaster Volley Gun

>>95907899
Beastman and Skaven were both squatted last year to my knowledge, not sure of anything since then.

>>95910547
>>95910562
>>95910656
>Ships Now

Pathetic! Not even sold out despite the seller even having photos proving they have the actual products in stock. Meanwhile all the pre-orders for the new Horus Hersey Saturine box set get sold out immediately.

>>95910705
The fucked up part in all this is the Saturine box set is only suppose to MSRP at $230. 23 knuckleheads are paying a $400 for it. That's a 74% mark up just to be able to guarantee a pre-order.

>>95910638
Not really due to various issues but keep on shilling Cathanon

>>95910679
Closer to Company of Heroes/Dawn of War 2 but more...e-sporty somehow in a bad way. One of major issues is that once a unit was in melee combat with another, it could not pull away unless it did a full retreat all the way back to base. There were plenty of gamebreaking bugs too like larger units getting stuck when trying to migrate into the map or campaign mechanics where the enemy had insane respawn and build rates. You can see all this on the demo if it still exists.

Models in that game are very purdy but the thought of touching it again makes me barf.

>>95910724
>$230
nah, no fucking way. I dont believe you for a fucking minute.

>>95910742
I'm just saying a model that costs +$200 should be more powerful than a model that costs around $70.

>>95910760
This nigga aint never fucking heard of forge world lmao. This is not a video game man.


Also where is this 200 price tag coming from? Miao is smaller than your standard great unclean one, shit shes barely bigger than the old dragons, let alone the aos ones.

>>95909863
Very stupid POV anon

Battles irl "shift tides" because they do not occur between evenly-pointed forces with mirror objectives. Every battle in AoS is a pitched battle between equals. The double turn is braindead, and you might be too,

>>95910760
That's not how that works, anon. You can get a metal chaos champion for $17 and it'll outperform a $50 plastic character, depending on how you equip him.

>>95910760
The trolling is losing steam, long day?
>Orion is 70 bucks
Sadly been out so scalpers got him north of 100. but I'm testing the waters on a recaster, who sells Orion for less than half that. Will see how the wild riders and staglord come and judge from there.
Can't wait to see the BS prices some people come up for Ming, betting 250 easy

>>95910773
>>95910784
A lot of people are guessing Miao Ying's price tag based on the MSRP leaks for all the Cathay ranges.

>>95910781
With Cathay being a brand new army, GW is probably now rectifying that. I think GW purposely made Cathay so overpowered in order to avoid another Dominion and Skaventide fiasco. FOMO didn't work, but Pay2Win probably will.

>>95910817
Morathi is like $160, Meow will likely cost more.

>>95910656
No fucking way that eBay seller is selling the complete Cathay set for anything less than $600.

>>95910817
Based on this MSRP info, everything in total should cost $660.

>>95910830
Morathi is also a 20 year old miniature and the new Dommy Mommy Dragon is a brand 2025 mini.

>>95910857
Lol no

What situations/setups would you actually want to use the Regimental/detachment special rules? Doesn't seem like there's that much value in them but maybe I'm just evaluating them poorly.

>>95910681
your captain should be a bsb, greatswords really aren't worth their points in a meta sense but your list is very fluffy and good-guy-esque, approved

>>95910888
I was referring to the in universe WHFB version of her, not the proprietary AoS one.

Dubz picks my chaos god (or undivided - but if undivided it has to have some other theme)

>>95910945
Justicd

>>95910955
So, khorne with an overarching theme of revenge, got it

>>95910945
Slaanesh

>>95910945
What about the joy of Grandpa Nurgle?

>>95910618
They launched TWW because they nuked the setting. WHF was already scheduled for destruction, hence why they were happy to give CA such a free hand to play with their IP. They presumed it would flop or at best be mid and they didn't care as Slopmar was already in the works. Little did they know...

>>95910988
>anon says slaanesh
>but the digits say khorne
Make up your mind!

>>95910784
>70 bucks
>scalpers got him north of 100
That's funny, the guy who owns my LGS is trying to sell a metal Orion for $210.

>>95910892
I dunno if its changed but used to be for empire 2 versions
>10 man counter charge block of cheap stuff (used to be sword and board or free company iirc) to add combat res or more often to dissuade skirmisher/light cav from charging your shooting units
>small shooting squad to add damage to say knights or frenzy light infantry from charging your halb blocks

>>95910924
that picture is AI slop, kys

>>95911120
Bro....

>>95911130
Don't fall for such simple bait, Anon.

>>95911120
Had to censor it. Morathi's 6th edition model literally has her it tits hanging out.

Sometimes I get really pumped up to collect Dark Elves then I remember they have gay pointy elf ears and I just can't

>>95911146
You never know these days...

>>95911172
there are not even a real faction anyway

>>95911172
dark what now?

>>95911227
>>95911249
>TOW is the only iteration of WHF to have ever existed

>>95911058
I'd be tempted to buy it and then, assuming its the chunky 5th ed one, club him to death with it

>>95911267
The only one that's still played by a relevant player base

>>95909280

In all seriousness, how are there black people in WFB?
The Old Ones created humanity. We know that they arrived approximately -10k IC thanks to the Lizardmen timeline. At best, humanity has only existed for 12,500 years by WFB. We also know that they were originally spawned in the Dark Lands and migrated from there.
That's not enough time to evolve into distinct races so it suggests that either the Old Ones spawned every human race at the same time in the Dark Lands for no reason, that they didn't actually create humans, or that WFB humans evolve super fast for no reason.

>>95911358
I dont think there is actually any solid evidence of southlanders below araby existing at all.

>>95911358
Old ones "lifted" many races and likely created multiple human races to anticipate various environments they wanted to make
Failing that, good old chaos exposure gets then genes mutating as plot demands

>>95911358
>in all seriousness
You don’t do that with warhammer.

>>95911358
Do you think black orcs also evolved naturally without interference from a higher (kek) race?

>>95911395
Chorf = Inverted Yakub

Duarfs

>>95909854
because high magic is too difficult for anyone but the slann and the elves, who were taught directly by the slann
the dragons have been introduced with yin and yang, a simplified version of high magic split into 2, instead of the full thing, so having access to high magic is either another gross wank, or a gameplay compromise because yin and yang cannot be full lores with 6 spells each

>>95911425
Prob the latter

>>95911429
I hope, but the gameplay compromise creates a precedent that can be misconstructed to lead to the former.

>>95911249
>faction that doesn't even border TOW got in first
china won.

>tfw gw destroyed winds of magic so that transforming dragons will be unique to Cathay instead of something any half decent beast mage can do

>>95910434
No Cathayans in the Player's Guide, I'm afraid. There is an apothecary career, though. But I'd suggest just defaulting to the Empire (Human) block and reflavoring Lore: The Empire as Lore: Grand Cathay. And instead of City/Provincial Lore pertaining to the Empire you get to be knowledgeable about Shang-Yang or the Old Silk Road. Shouldn't be a problem.

>>95911507
>RPG actually keeps to the Old World definition for races
might buy it

>>95910705
>>95910817
If you search on ebay:

>Warhammer Grand Cathay

>Check the "Sold items" on the Show only tab

You'll see that all the Grand Cathay battalion box sets pre-orders were all sold out and they were selling for between $157 to $175. That is no where close to the $185 asking price.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fsrp=1&rt=nc&_from=R40&_nkw=warhammer+grand+cathay&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1

>>95910945
undivided

funerary forces of a cult dedicated to the creation and protection of chaos monoliths detailing the deeds of chaos champions upon their deaths

bare black iron incised with fiery runes for armours, with extremely prominent eye of the gods iconography, and helmets replaced by cone heads or pyramid heads and/or without eyeholes, unit fillers are monoliths they're carrying of various chaos champions which can and should be visibly aligned to one god or another (giving you an easy way to point out the mark of chaos the unit has, and even change the mark of chaos of a unit from game to game by swapping monolith)

the army is allowed to have some heroes that don't actually belong to the funerary cult and are instead normal chaos champions aligned to a god, the funerary procession either got a premonition that the champion is going to die soon and offered to accompany him to detail his destiny, or the champions went to the cult thinking their deeds will be better recorded, their tales spread wider, and reaching the gods more easily

these can be champions that walk the path to glory alone instead of being part of a warband, or building a warband under them, or the warbands are on their last legs, which is why the funerary cult is stepping in for the heroes' imminent deaths, or the warbands are assumed to fight out of the bounds of the table and the cult is the champions' bodyguard force now

>>95910434
Is this some kind of inside joke or meme regarding an anime I'm unfamiliar with?

>>95911507
Why does Bretonnians and High Elves share the same suggested names?

>>95911580
C7 isn't great about proofreading their preorder releases.

>>95911569
The character is a Chinese woman and adopted daughter of a former court physician and she loves practising medicine and science on herself. The show is about her life as a maid in the royal harem after she is kidnapped and sold to the palace. Anon just wants to be boring and play as a character he likes in a TTRPG instead of making a character to play as. Maomao is pretty fun though. Also cathay=china. It's kusuriya no hitorigoto, it has like two concurrent mangas that are both at roughly the same point weirdly and 14 novels translated to English

Am I right in how cannons w9rk?

>choose place on field in range
>roll artillery and scatter dice
>this is where it lands

However the rulebook says you measure the artillery dice FROM the cannon?

>>95911596
>Am I right in how cannons w9rk?
nope, first you choose a spot, then you roll an artillery dice (no scatter dice) then you move the cannonshot from the chosen spot, a number of inches told by the artillery dice away from the cannon
then you roll the artillery dice again and the line between the second spot and this third spot is the path of the cannonball where it hits shit

yes, it's ridiculously precise

Cathay are the Sigmarines of TOW

>>95911603
I can't read today. So, you select a position for the cannon to fire.

Roll the artillery dice. The shot lands within those inches FROM THE CANNON to the desired area which you declared, like a target.

Then you roll again and it scatters/bounces?

>>95910344
C7 weren't given access to Cathay

>>95911609
It doesn't scatter, it only bounces, it hits everything in the span of the second artillery dice roll.

>>95911607

>>95911632
Ah ok. That makes more sense. Not very accurate then and probably best to set up longer ranks so I'm not hit.

>>95911645
It's very accurate. By aiming at 10inche from your target, you can hit the target ~70% of time IIRC.

Also, it can snipe lonely character if the first roll end up exactly on the character base.

>>95911607
worse, at least sigmarines belong in AoS, Cathay has no business in the OLD WORLD and before other actual factions.

>>95911676
>sigmarines belong in AoS
hardly, they're as hamfisted there as they would be in whfb

>>95911594
It also helps that the anime also gives non-Chinese (And Non-mainland Chinese who were raised primarily in Western countries) people a primer on how court life was like during the Imperial Chinese dynasties. It's a fictional China that doesn't doesn't really specify which dynasty it takes place in. Many assumes it to be an amalgamation of the Tang and Ming dynasty, which is the perfect foil for the Warhammer The Old World setting and beyond.

>>95911645
You've got 55,55% chances of hitting something with a base shorter than 2"
69,44% changes of hitting something with a base larger than 2" but shorter than 4"
83,33% for anything with a base between 4" and 10"

>>95911663
Oh right of course, the HIT! roll. Vs big blocks of infantry, I can see it being very accurate. It's not quite as insane as I thought though, no blast template.

>>95911699
>>95911704
Yup, plus eventual engineer re-roll if facing empire.
Ironcally, I seldom target big block of infantry. It's way better to snipe dragon and big monster. Or, if I have no other target, snipe lonely mage (~30% chance to hit if they are if their unit bubble if you count the engineer reroll, per FAQ).

>>95911613
Yet.
they have talked in interviews about how they would certainly like to do a Cathay book for either WFRP or TOWRPG

>>95911676
ah yes, the "keep warhammer fantasy the same as it always was" argument, because stagnating fantasy worked so well for them back in the 2000s

>>95907656
The total war tourists will preoder and try to recoup their losses on the aftermarket after assembling half a mini.

>>95911679
sure but what isn't hamfisted about AoS, every faction is overdesigned sloppa. In TOW Cathay sticks out like a sore thumb as 'direct from total war' CADslop compared to literally GW's best ever sculpts in the other factions.

>>95911766
>we have to add an overtuned faction with sandbox-tier fluff and ugly models, or else.. or else.. THINK OF THE CORPORATE PROFITS!
The China Cultural Sensitivity Team aren't sending their best.

>>95911507
>Empire (Human)
>Bretonnian
It is as I suspected

>>95911790
Models are great and the best in TOW though

>>95911370
We have art of them, and on the TOW Map, they mention human tribes are in the far south of it, so they do exist, whether they should in the Empire as native citizens is another problem entirely.

>>95911790
>sandbox-tier fluff
I wish, the problems I have with their fluff is specifically how many doors they closed
>no, the emperor is an immortal dragon, no nuance, no ambiguity, no possibilities
>no, there are only these many dragons, the children of the emperor, no others
>no, everything is micromanaged by the dragons, no dynasties, no delegates
>no, all is in harmony and untainted, with only tzeentch shit at worse sometimes
>no, the dragon blooded are just humans with more magic and fighting skills
>no, jadeblood vamps can't have jiangshit and we can't have any body horror at all
>no, we can't use cathay as cornerstone for nippon and ind units too hired by them
>no, cathay is the oldest nation and made gunpowder first of all, no arguments open
>no, the terracotta soldiers and sky lanterns are this big only, or bigger at best
>no, the monkey king was merely left to think he got to rule cathay for that period
let me fix these limits and then we can talk about cathay being sandboxy

and good

>>95911770
>Cathay sticks out like a sore thumb as 'direct from total war'

>>95911918

The bit that gets me is when they pat themselves on the back for not retconning anything and then in the same article claim that the Monkey King was just pretending to be in charge.

uhhh

>>95911986
>over 20lbs or Miao Ying's tits and ass

>two more weeks before I can finally make empire npcs seethe

>>95912006
The only stuff they didn't retcon is stuff from Tamurkhan.
Where's my Orange Simca, GW? Where are the dragon monks? Obviously the previously mentioned Emperors are gone. The Monkey King's interaction with Skaven is gone. There's no elemental wood demons (I guess maybe the cathayan names for the winds of magic is something to do with that).

What's actually left? Shugengan, onyx crow men, terracotta warriors, the title 'Dragon Emperor' and 'Monkey King', some city names like Shang-Yang and Beichei and...? Everything else is new.

Battalion is a must, thinking of going for the captains rather than Meow's child since that way I can run them with the jade warriors in two units 8 wide.

>>95912100
Sounds good.

>>95912100
What's the point of the captains? the units can already take magic banners and some items

>>95912095
>Orange Simca
That's nippon, isn't it?

>The Monkey King's interaction with Skaven is gone
That's technically still present but as a rumor rather than a certainty
>the previously mentioned Emperors are gone
those also remain but as dignitaries that got mistaken for emperors

what else did tamurkhan say they had?

>>95911918
>no, cathay is the oldest nation and made gunpowder first of all, no arguments open
Confirmed? I thought the dwarfs invented gunpowder in fantasy.

>>95912181
the creation was previously disputed between dwarfs and sky titans
now cathay is said to have made it first and even having been the ones to gift it to sky titans

Does anyone have experience with that new old world rpg? How does it play and how does leveling work? People have said it is like wrath and glory but I hope that is not the case.

>>95912189
It's hillarious they gave them the best canon when china didn't develop proper siege artillery (for various reasons, they didn't needed it).

Having them fielding handcanon and firelance would have been rad, but now, !China need to have the best stuff of everything.


>>95912228
It definitly seems more "high level" than WFRPG, as Wrath and Glory is more high level than Dark Heresy & consort

>>95912248
cathay is not real life china though

>>95911847
Lol @ them having to copy Araby garb otherwise they would have been identical to savage orcs

>>95911918
>>no, we can't use cathay as cornerstone for nippon and ind units too hired by them
What's even the minimum amount of kits to satisfyingly have small allied detachments of all the other eastern stuff? would these suffice?

>kuresh snakemen / chaos snakemen
>blood naga on palanquin / chaos naga on palanquin
>kuresh serpent / dread maw

>ind fakir cultists / turban warriors
>ind tigermen / chaos tigermen
>ganesha / kali / rakshaka living idol

>samurais / dread samurais
>ninjas / rocketeers
>samurai on temple dog + oni / oni on inu + samurai hero

>camel jezzails / camel cataphracts
>caller with djinn / alchemist on carpet + djinn
>araby war elephant / elephant tower

>monkeymen
>vimto monks + dragon monks / monks with spirit dragons
>monkey king court

these feel cramped, but are already an awful lot of kits to hopefully cover extremely niche footnotes

>>95912010
Jews, I have learned, are essentially racial supremacists to the extreme, with Gaza showing just how truly evil and vindictive they are to non jews.

>>95912326
If Ind was anything like it's IRL counterpart it would be a nurgle subfaction

i like uhhhh warhammer fantasy

i wish i had more money and time to enjoy warhammer fantasy and bloodbowl and mordheim and stuff but i do not :’(

>>95912010
I dont understand the relevance of this to any particular topic.
Yes, jews were for most of european history an oppressed minority group.
No, being a minority group does not mean you arent a part of the wider culture or cant contribute to it.
Yes, you can play factions without directly feeling a kinship towards them.

>>95912406
Most people stop at one army tbf, they just play it over and over again

>>95912324
What do you know of African history?

>>95912440
Everything they have written down!

R8 list
Never played a game of ToW before,
Just finished basing Gors and now building my Shaman. Got everything else except hounds in box ready to go

Game plan is to unga bungs with minotaur block

65 - Bray-Shaman, Wizard Level 1, Daemonology
256 - Doombull, Heavy Armour, Shield, General, Spelleater Axe
35 - 5 Chaos Warhounds, Vanguard
87 - 10 Gor Herds, Shield, True-horn, Standard Bearer, Musician
310 - 6 Minotaur Herds
• 1x Minotaur, Standard Bearer
• 1x Minotaur, Musician
• 1x Minotaur, Great Weapon, Bloodkine
• 3x Minotaur, Shield
245 - Ghorgon

>>95912140
Nippon and Cathay were lumped in together mostly. Orange Simca was worshipped by all 'Orientals'.

I meant to say the Skaven thing was sidelined rather than gone. I dunno why they'd take one of the few bits of background they had that implied some kind of conflict or depth and then just brush it off.

I think pretty much everything from Tamurkhan is in. Although terracotta warrior equivalents were man-sized, not giants.

>so many cool armies
>so many cool games
>so little time and money
How do you guys choose what to play?
Primal warherd beastmen, greenskins, dwarfs and chaos all seem fun.

>>95912406
bro if you live in the USA I will 3d print you a mordheim warband for like $5

>>95912465
>aesthetic
>lore
>playstyle
In that order. For me it's Vampire Counts. Ive started a 2nd army of Empire, mostly because Empire are dope and they're the perfect complement to VC. But I have to try really hard not to start a Tzeentch WoC horde, or an army of Night Gobbos and trolls...

>>95912465
Fluff, finances and gameplay.

Chaos are cheap to play due to being more "expensive" ingame. Aesthetically, full plate tyrants are amazing. Their gameplay too is straight forward. March forward and kill!

Is the Tomb Kings starter a good buy? Have the older models aged like milk?

>>95912522

Milk is generous. They were awful 20 years ago, they're an embarrassment today.
The TK specialists are still workable but get your core skellingtons third party.

When should you use marching column vs combat order?

>>95912593
You should never use marching column unless you have drilled

>>95912604
Just to be clear, drilled units can charge after freely redressing their ranks?

>>95912469
i live in canada. i have miniatures i dont have time or energy to paint them all

i have a night goblin army to paint, an empire army to procure build and paint, a vc army to paint, a possessed warband to finish, an empire warband to start, a brettonian warband to paint, a human bloowdbowl team to paint plus painting random models that take my fancy along the way

>>95909476
But anon I thought black people didn't exist in Warhammer at all??? Are you telling em they do????

>>95912619
>black people didn't exist
correct

>>95910004
identifiable miniature design syndrome you can't do any of the fun soulslike stuff
>can't do fashion souls because you're branded as a big golden ground marine
>very limited weapon selection, no miniature = not allowed

>>95912522
Not really, the skellies are fucking terrible and so is the bone dragon. Their other units are fantastic but there's 0 of them in the army box.

>>95910344
Woah it's almost like they glaze every faction to make it seem like the strongest one and they do this every time any new faction comes out for any game

Are chaos warhound handlers worth using or should I save my 30 pts?

>>95912639
Wth are you talking about lol

>>95912651
Save it. The hounds entire goal is to die. Keep them cheap and plentiful. Flesh shields to screen your superior units and/or give you board control as a flank threat.

>>95911676
if you want to exclusively play WHFB you can just do that with your friends if you have any and ignore TOW news and discussion. you clearly didn't want GW involved since you're against anything new

>>95911918
Anon you never wanted fluff to begin with, you just want an excuse to force your headcannon on others

>>95912664
Thanks. I’ll get a banner of rage instead.

>>95912651
No, they make your hounds actively worse by bringing their movement down to M5. You don't care about your dogs panicking, they exist to get shot at so your better units don't.

>>95912522
>Have the older models aged like milk?
They were already spoiled milk 17 years ago.
For a pricy alternative you should get tomb guards and create simpler versions by replacing the crested heads with bare skulls from the skull box
For cheaper alternatives you have to turn to 3rd party prints or maxminis

>>95912591
I mean if you're offering these as a suggestion, they don't seem much better

>>95911918
You wanted a name in which you could make your own setting, not a setting made by GW. You can still do that y'know and just use the models.

>>95912678
>>95912689
What's with the concerted strawmen?

>>95910300
>40k is a setting that GW desperately wants to turn into a narrative.
Do they? Secondaries and tertiaties certainly want it to be endless primarch family drama wank but GW has been a lot more restrained than I expected. Sure they'll shit out every Primarch eventually but the "story" hasn't actually gone anywhere since 8th edition. Feels like they're setting up a new status quo to replace 999.M41 and the lore channel "fans" mistake it for metaplot.

>>95912712
when was the last time something happened that wouldn't start with "special character did..."

>>95912326
>armybook: doggus of wal

>>95912720
Hasn't that how it has always been?
"Calgar went to shitholius secundus and beat villainious assholious of the 27th legion in an epic duel"
"creed fought against the hordes of xenos but his tactical genius resulted in a total victory and seventy billion guardsman casualties"
"eldrad ulthran predicted that the craftworld of searenius peaceafulneaus would fall to the brutish imperium of man so he enacted a millennia long campaign of genocide resulting in the fall of craftworld searenius peaceafulneaus to the brutish imperium"

>>95912720
Do you think special characters doing stuff is somehow a new thing?

>>95912618
Why are you even tacking on new projects to your list when you have a bunch left to finish?

>>95912741
>Hasn't that how it has always been?
No, it was factions who did things while carried along characters, instead of characters doing things while carrying along factions.
Completely different.

>>95912100
Gate Keepers don't seem worth taking but double Shuggie + Magistrate in his flying machine looks good. BSBs are really good in TOW generally but this army legit doesn't need a BSB.

>>95912741
No. No it has not always been like that my zoomer friend.

>>95912941
Double shugengan seems a bit overkill, at least for friendly matches imo.

>>95912681
No problem. Also be careful with your marks. The hounds may induce a panic check either from being wiped out too close or fleeing through the unit they're trying to shield. Undivided or Khorne makes this a far lesser or not a concern.

>>95907111 (OP)
Is there any hope that legacy factions get rebalanced with the incoming updates?

>>95913075
not by GW

>>95910897
Thanks. I gotta read up on bsbs, haven't really used them before. I know greatswords aren't great but I love them so much so I'm gonna try to run them and hope they get buffed in the upcoming FAQ.

>>95913075
Not util the second edition if it ever happens.

Do Warrios of Chaos need a BSB?
Does every army need a BSB?

>>95913075
>Is there any hope that legacy factions get rebalanced with the incoming updates?
Lmao, I'm expecting everything to get nerfed (but Cathay magically slips under, like miyo having two pages of special rules, some that breaks the game in two, being under the 500 pts cutoff. Meanwhile Galrauch, another dragon caster character, costs nearly the same and his special rules is to kill himself)

>>95913155
>Do Warrios of Chaos need a BSB?
>Does every army need a BSB?
WoC can't afford a BSB, it has the chaos tax

So when is the Miao Ying model dropping?

>>95913231
This year, probably in September if I had to guess.
July and August seem rather packed with HH and 40k releases

One hour until matched play book leak

>>95913260
Square based doing more shite?

>>95913270
yeah

>>95913270
link starts at 5pm
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wss05Vr-tZ8
will probably get less seething than the Cathay one at least

>>95913292
I doubt the matched play book contains the most significant changes, those should come in the faq&errata of tomorrow, right?

>>95913329
Match play book is only suggestions, it doesn't actually alter core rules

>>95912451
Better to split the minos
More mino units more charge potential

>>95913155
I personally always run a BSB. Ld8 just isn't reliable enough and the war banner is mandatory if you're planning on running your BSB in a unit. An aspiring champion bsb will run you 95 points and can be surprisingly effective. And, as always, any excuse to make your own banner is a good one.

>>95913337
lets be real, people play by the matched play/tournament standard, and always will as long as the rules have glaring holes

I have misgivings about Cathay but this colour scheme is quite nice

>>95913292
Thanks boss

>>95913372
>the second ligma head
I was hoping it would be facing the other direction, now they'll easily look very samey without significant conversions

>>95913372
wonder where these painters was getting the Bamboo forest bits from

>>95913398
Might be aquarium decoration?

>>95913398
you can make those easily with skewers and random mats of plastic plants
cheap as hell too

>>95913422

>>95913422
Or just buy premade ones on temu, they're very cheap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5cRfCndNww&ab_channel=Pashhammer this dork has the match play guide

>>95913398
These fit right in with the rest of the factions. All the naysayers on suicide watch lmao

>>95913433
812 subs

>>95913443
No they don't. Everything apart from the cannon and crew looks like WoW shit

>>95913398
Wonder when he got given the gibs, that's some fast painting.

>>95913447
Yes they do.

What's with the 3rd party shills out today? We go days without any save a few highland mentions now suddenly tons?
It must suck to work your ass off designing stuff that often is better than GW but no one really gives fuck and you'll forever remain poorer than the paypiggies supporting GW. I spend my weekends not working but respect the grind.
Now shill me some decent wood elf waywatchers cause I ain't paying 50 bucks for 5 dudes.

>>95913455
They generally get this stuff like 2 weeks to a month before it goes for order

Level 1 wizard worth taking just for fleshy abundance or should I spring for level 2?
Alternative choice for those 30 points is a rampage banner on chosen chaos knights.

>>95913473
go for level 2 wizards

>>95913386
Wish they would show the helmet option for the lord.

>>95913458
what style are you after?

>>95913487
Here you go

>>95913487
They did it, doesn't look great imo

>>95913499
>>95913500
Thanks, must have missed it.

>>95913500
First thing I thought of when I saw the regular head was Mulan riding a giant version of Eddy Murphy's dragon to battle

>>95913499
>>95913500
Instant headswap with a male head.

>>95913458
>designing stuff that often is better than GW
3d prints usually suck ass to paint.

>>95913500
Man the humans look so fucking ugly

>>95913493
Like this, as close to the rest of my GW models style and scale wise. Not married to GW asthetic but don't want them to stand out like a sore thumb if that makes sense.

Army comps from matched play.

>>95913292
>no single unit/character can cost more than 25% of the list
>special characters are exempt
>no more than 1 lvl4 per 2000pts
>no more than 1 lvl3 per 1000pts
>special characters are exempt
>rule of 4 for core units
>rule of 3 for special units
>rule of 2 for rare units

>>95913566
>>95913588
what happens with sky lanterns?

can a player field 6? (3 characters, 1 special, 2 rares) or are they locked to 2 in total? or 3 when one is taken as special?

>>95913588
>rare capped at 2
So I should expect some giant spawns to show up on the market?

>>95913493

>>95913600
Can you transport that many?

>>95913608

>>95913588
This literally doesent change my list at all.

>>95913601
Arent those 0-1 per 1k?

>>95913566
Phew, both my armies are fine in all of those.

>>95913647
Ditto. I like the character limit of 25%. I imagine that will be the most popular.

>>95913566
Not applying to special characters is retarded and will hopefully be something the community ignores. Otherwise these are all reasonable limitations, dont drastically change anything but do curb excesses.

>>95913673
Just noticed that myself. Way to circumvent your own ruleset...miao ying ahoy!!!

>>95913566
I can only take 2 Reaper Bolt Throwers if combined arms is used at an event?

>>95913694
Can you bring 2 per a unit?

If I am going to face this stupid Monkey bonk stick, which build is better for a chaos Lord?

Crimson armour (immune to multi wounds), Regeneration helm and Great weapon

Or

Meteoric Iron (5+ no matter what), Regen crown, Great Weapon

The former assures I can only take 1 wound per wound but only two layers of saves. The latter means I got 3 layers of saves of 5+ but if one gets through, its going to hurt!

>>95913703
Nope.

>>95913694
Yes that is right. So every unit now has a 0-X* restriction but not OVERALL slots.

For example, 0-4 for core. I can't take 5 chaos warrior units but could take 4 warriors and 4 marauders. It is restricted to unit type, not slot.

>>95913721
Enjoy finding big monsters models or proxies I guess

>>95913372

>>95913741
>hope you die

apparently the ogre loaders give the whole crew cluster grenades so good luck charging them

>>95913588
>no single unit/character can cost more than 25% of the list
Does this mean chaos lord on dragon is effectively dead?

>>95913759
No, as most tournaments are 2000 points anyway so you at least get the dragon. Plus we don't know which is going to be the most popular between the two types.

okay now thats sharp. this may have changed my mind on cathay

>>95913759
i dont think so, it just puts an upper limit on how absurd the characters can get

>>95913777
yeah I dont fuck with this army at all. Should have given them faceplates or something. I like my dudes to be anonymous cold blooded rapist kilers.

>>95913809
this is the "my favorite naruto character is sasuke" of warhammer. congradulations, you're that guy

>>95913809
considering how the helmets enclose the sides of the heads it should be fairly trivial to paint the faces as if they were porcelain/jade/metallic masks

although giving them real patterns might prove too difficult

>>95913831
how did you know that?

>>95913717
Witch elf to request help

Baggage Trains intersting

>>95913329
There's confirmation tow 1.5 is released tomorrow?

>>95913966
The preorder is tomorrow, but likely the FAQ stuff drops with the actual release. But a reliable leaker said sometime next week (prob with a WarCom article)

>>95913966
2 weeks

>>95913809
>yeah I dont fuck
Could have stopped your post here

>>95909232
Black people in Warhammer are limited to fucking pygmies and literal jungle savages you will never, ever see as an Old World dweller except maybe in a human zoo exhibit in a particularly cruel province

Why haven't there been any black Cathayan models?

>>95914186
Because GW said they didn't want any body horror in Cathay.

>>95913566
Wow this does nothing.

>>95914186
asians are white adjacent on the racist chart

>>95913048
What the hell is a friendly match?

>>95914212
>no dragonlords that cost over 500pts
>no lvl4 wizards in armies under 2000pts

>>95913759
The kitted out one yeah, you can't really give anything after just buying the dragon. He comes in at 480 naked. One example of why it's a dumb fucking restriction because the high elf dragon is right there totally unaffected.

>>95913717
The build where you don't fight the magic weapon designed to kill expensive characters with your expensive character is the best.

>>95914186
Blacks come from Stirland

>>95914237
have AJ: Armies of AliExpress
and bad scan of Matched Play

>>95914176
>limited to jungles
Cept the nubian expies south of nehekhara

>>95914246
So no chaos dragonlords and no change to everyone running a level 4 at the ordinary army size, everything else unchanged, got you.
>Wow this does nothing

I feel like maybe the TOW guys are just reacting to the state of play like 6 fucking months ago. The nerf to the bedazzling helm already stopped the unkillable chaos nurgle dragonlord. The chaos dragonlord isn't even the biggest meta demon right now. The bret flying circus characters come in under 500pts. The high elf triple save dragonlord comes in under 500pts and you can still run 2 of them if you want. You can still run double dragon tomb kings. You can still run 40+ units of poison archers. Only 1 level 4 hurts goblin and tomb king magic spam maybe, but you can still do 1 level 4 and 2 level 3s as far as I can see.

This doesn't seem like it fixes shit, it just punishes one of the outstanding meta armies that has nothing else going for it. Chaos players aren't going to suddenly start running infantry once you disqualify their dragonlord, because infantry still sucks.

>>95914305
>t chaos faggon lord runner

>>95914305
This isn't the rules changes so you have to wait to actually see what happens to everything, if the price of stuff goes up for high elf stuff and tomb kings stuff then they wont be able to run dragons like that.

>>95914316
God forbid I be slightly fucking annoyed about them targeting exclusively one of the few good things in my faction, not fixing the shit I actually want to play like knights and warriors, and leaving a practicaly identical fucking unit in another army untouched yeah. I love not getting to use my dragon because of an arbitrary points limit when all the elf dragons remain completely untouched.

>>95914348
I play wood elves and they are nuking poison cry me a river

>>95914383
If you mean rumors - it's just that, speculation. meanwhile 25% limit on any single unit or character is already released, even if only in "Grand Melee" composition in Matched Play book

>>95914305
shut up dragonfaggot

>>95914271
Reading the Cathay stuff now. If you think GW was glazing Cathay YOU HAVEN'T SEEN NOTHING YET. Did you know that Cathay invented gunpowder BEFORE Dwarfs? And that their gunpowder is EVEN BETTER?

>>95914448
new lore writers are dog shit, on the bright side they don't seem to have any impact on the army rules and make up

>>95914448
I'd be ok with the glazing if the faction lore was interesting and the dragons were actually evil, like all dragons in the setting barring the Ulthuan cucks. It just doesn't feed into Chinese history at all.

>>95914271
I have no idea what filesharing site that is dude.

>>95914495
It says explicitly the people are not cowed into serving the dragons but do so willingly because the Dragons love them. Not even joking.

>>95914496
It's a site you GO to to find FILES

>>95914448
I like how the only thing that could defeat the dead dragon kid was another dragon kid, and chaos itself was simply too weak to kill her even at the very centre of the chaos wastes.

>it alone of all the nations has no internal strife
>it's people are also balanced and peaceful and do not desire to conquer
fucking hell

>>95914518
I like that the Elves of Ulthuan didn't actually create the Vortex and win, they only won because THE GREAT CATHAY DRAGON MARCHED INTO THE REALM OF CHAOS AND KILLED THE GREATEST SERVENTS OF CHAOS, DISTRACTING THEM ENOUGH FOR THE SPELL TO WORK (this is actually in the book. Even the part about the greatest Chaos servents).

>>95914394
I mean a relatively naked chaos lord will fucking dunk on most things, you still have dragons and giant spawns and the rest of WoC is ok. Maybe high elves bret and TK remain faggots but that's like 15% of the playerbase total...
There's an FAQ erratic update etc whatever they call it soon too so it's. A bit early to REEE anon

>>95914528
Yeah, remember when Aenarion killing four greater daemons at once was a big deal? Xen Yang slew hundreds.

>>95914525
Were the writers of this stuff self-aware about it at all?

>>95914528
That's such a dumb fucking retcon of the sealing of chaos.

>>95914546
You tell me.

>>95914554
This is just sad

The dragons are explicitly completely benevolent, the people of Cathay serve them willingly and without any kind of autocratic pressure, and Xen Yang is immune to the sleepies that affect everyone other dragon in the world.

>>95914570>>95914554
>>95914525
I do like the Nehekhara lore part. That was neat.

>Fanfiction: no actually the Dragon Emperor doesn't have mankind's best interests at heart and his secret plan is to reverse the planetary changes of the Old Ones and turn the world back into an icy paradise for dragons!
>Reality: actually he just has a plan to defeat Chaos forever

>>95914248
>>95914246

Maybe tournaments should play at 1900pts specifically to remove Chaos Dragons and L4 wizards outright.

>>95914507
yeah it's just a direct translation of TWWH3 so to be expected. But who possibly finds that more compelling than a 'lesser of two evils' scenario where the people tolerate monstrous tyrants for protection from chaos and all the power dynamics that could play off that. If I was chinese I wouldn't want some boring hug snakes leading my wet blanket faction when you have badass old world factions with religious zealots, cultists, feudal lords and tyrants in the setting.

>>95914584
BUBUBUBUT ANDY HALL SAID ON A TOTAL WAR STREAM HE'S TOTALLY EVIIIIIIL!!!!!11!

>>95914273
I forgot about them. I wouldn't mind some blaqpipo in Araby and/or living Egyptian armies at some point but that's about it

>>95914554
China didn't invent blackpowder nor did they use it military
CCP propaganda is insane

>>95914582
This book is some crazy shit man. They had plenty of angles to grey them up a little and they missed every one.

Even the Nekeheran bit is like "these superstitious fools were marginally more civilized than the surrounding humans, and so Cathay graced to trade with them a little bit". What's the darkest part of this? That he doesn't like elves and dwarves because they either ride and/or kill dragons?

>>95914584
Well, at least we know he's a total failure.

Nagash confirms his place as the most based fantasy character of all time.

>>95914605
Yeah, that's literally it. Though as a TK player I did enjoy Nehekhara being like "huh, you aight" to the Cathayans. Everything else is hot ass

>>95914570
it's like they literally read court histories of chinese dynasties and thought it was 100% true and not sycophantic propaganda of court scholars clawing their way up the system.

>>95914617
This is why China outlawed skeletons in media

>>95914622
It's wild because there's plenty of room to make a faction that is legitimately a loving tribute to Chinese aesthetics, history and folklore while still not 100% committing to them being a propangandic parody. Like just say, people don't know what the dragon emperor is up to. Give a contrasting theory of a benevolent and malevolent reason for his seclusion. Say Cathay is generally more unified and egalitarian than other nations, but have a border outpost that mostly serve because they fear like Chaos like >>95914586 says. It was legitimately so easy.

>>95914622
it would be okay if this was an in-universe source but it isn't so it just come across as wank

>>95914627
lmao

>>95914618
It would be fun to play some kind of old-school living TKs and Cathayan allies scenario for sure.

>>95914642
Yeah it could have been quote and in-character bits just fine. Some of this is a little hard to follow.
>Yin-Yin allied with Ulthuan
>therefore her fleets moved without the knowledge of Ulthuan
???? Wouldn't that be like, the opposite?

The dragons are really really fucking old though. Like not just the moon empress and dragon emperor, even the kids are 1000s and 1000s of years old, far far older than the Empire itself. Maybe that was already established in TWW but it's kind of interesting to me. Most elves probably aren't this old.

>>95914525
Love that it has to insult the Empire and western humans WHILE glazing Cathay too. Guess the west is just mean of spirit.

>>95914554
Holy shit I recant all my contrarian ribbing of those mocking Cathay. Fuck this shit.

Anna Komnene writing in her diary about Bohemond of Taranto be like:

>>95914528
but aren't slann treated the exact same way in that event
it's only the elf version of events where they did it alone

The idea the current trade route between the OW and Cathay is partially a rebuilding of the old Nehekaran trade outposts IS quite cool. Fun theme with the TKs: no this merchant town is ours, actually, see these 3000-year old documents for proof.

>>95914448
China was the first to invent gunpowder as far as I know so translating that into Warhammer is fine with me. If they invented steam engines that'd be a problem.

The Cathayan dragons having a particular soft spot for humans and just being kind of whatever about the elder races is also neat.

>>95914678
im not sure Marianburg existed at the time of sigmar

>>95914688
"Damn hes right, pack it up folks"

>>95914697
It did, although it was supposedly a fishing village rather than a bustling port metropolis.

>>95914678
>Empire lore
>gunpowder spread to the Empire many centuries after dwarfs had started using it
>Empire gradually started using gunpowder
>a genius engineer from another province established a college in the Empire which led to experimental designs being used

>Cathay lore
>Cathay was given all it's technology by dragons who knew everything thousands of years ago

>>95914678
>yeah my shugengan lord is the child of miao ying and sigmar himself

>>95913662
1i don't really feel like it changes much, weren't the biggest characters already in the 400-500pt range tho? It does keep dragon lords out of 1000-1500 point games though which is nice. In fact which this rule set 1500pts seems like it's the better points value to play at.

>>95914694
>elf Chad/Stacey? Eh, seen 'em a thousand times
>some random human rice farmer? MUH
What silly creatures dragons are.

I understand the glazing of a new faction at the expense of the others to an extent but this is a bit much. It seems juvenile, like a kid writing their OC into some fanfiction and asserting their OC was the main character all along.

>>95914725
Archaons hands typed this post

>>95914693
They did invent gunpowder, but it was also much worse than later European black powder due to China's dogmatic mixing everything equally when making it, which led to much sulfur being used so it fouled and rusted barrels much faster than western powder
Cathay even references this with all the Cannons being these massive bronze constructions compared to what the Dwarfs or Empire use

>>95914277
Well it does point toward 1500 points being the better game size now that it can't be dominated by those things

>>95914738
Theirs guns (or doctrine) is different too, with blunderbusses and really long rifles instead of the jack of all trades handgun.

>>95914585
"1999+1" army compositions did used to be a thing back in the day.

>>95914725
Yeah that really is how it comes across. It would have been pretty easy to throw some ambiguity in there. But there's pretty much no dark or even grey element at all: Cathay is explicitly the most powerful, knowledgeable and ancient civilization in all of Warhammer Fantasy and the dragons are truly benevolent rulers whose citizens are overjoyed to serve them. And there's literally a paragraph spelling out they are NOT AUTHORITARIAN DESPOTS, NO WAY, IN FACT THEY ARE FREER THAN ALL OTHER COUNTRIES which feels a little uh, marked by the supposed Sensitivity Team.

Until ET gets retconned, Cathay was canonically destroyed by midgets and orcs.
>but muh dragons escaping into space
Not canon sorry

>>95910325
I mean, it's not like that's unique to them. Stormcast are basically just Space Marines with all flavouring and interpersonal drama shit people care about stripped out. KO are a chaos dwarfs, but good, who play like Dark Eldar on the tabletop, and whose presence absolutely fucks the setting by introducing unironic power armor and (functionally) modern firearms.


>>95910328
It's a hot take on my part, but I think GW will End Times 40k and replace it with an AoS-style sequel, and they'll use the returning Primarchs as the way to do it. I don't think it'll be as overt as Fantasy's nuking, but it'llbe used to wash away whatever framework is left of 40k in 5-10 years.

>>95912712
>Do they?
You said it yourself. They want endless primarch family drama wank. That's narrative bullshit.
I mentioned it above, but I think they'll End Times the setting via the Primarchs. They'll use this as an excuse to sanitize the IP, add obligatory corporate tokenism, and force the repurchase of armies with squatting and legends.

>>95914725
It seems as if GW is trying to undo the "grimdarkification" that occurred during 6th. We'll have to see how that works out for them. I doubt my chaos warband has ever even heard of cathay, so I don't really care if they're very harmonious and better than the gweilo.

>>95914535
I'm not Chaos guy. I'm OnG guy. We don't have 500+ units or characters, so I'm fine. Just instead of multiple level 4 wizards I'll take 4+3+3 (or just 4+3). We'll see what we'll see in balance changes and if NG archers will be viable after

>>95914789
>It seems as if GW is trying to undo the "grimdarkification" that occurred during 6th.
I would honestly be okay with that but I'd like to see it shown off more in existing factions first rather than letting them rot while showing off the new thing. The lack of lore for TOW so far lets everyone keep the mindset that the world is still in the same tone as WFB and I think that helps make Cathay so jarring of an addition

>>95914825
Others have pointed out that they've done this for Empire and Bretonnia at least. Brets are much more heroic/not-grimdark in LOTL while Empire has be described by the WarCom team as being in a Golden Age.

>>95914833
>Empire has be described by the WarCom team as being in a Golden Age
In the gigantic, centuries-long civil war of the three emperors?

>>95914755
>marked by the supposed Sensitivity Team.
At this point I'm sure they wrote the entire thing kek

>>95914841
>In the gigantic, centuries-long civil war of the three emperors?
According to the Empire AJ, the Era of 3 Emperors is over. It is now an era called the Anarchy where nobody really does large scale war, just small border skirmishes. Nobody cares about claiming true rulership of the Empire, they'd just rather rule their smaller parts of it.

>>95914833
I mean we are a year and a half in and we've only gotten a single book, and i think the first RPG book also just released? Admittedly i'm not sure there's a real major plot atm either, 1st edition just seems to be a case of getting everyone back in TOW before they start giving actual lore in 2nd ed i guess.

>>95914603
You can't be this stupid, anon

>>95914833
That's funny because I was actually going to bring up LOTL. The only thing that gave me the impression that it was less grimdark were the rules being bent to allow lady knights. Maybe I should reread it if others disagree but I really felt like it reinforced a lot of the 6e grimdarkness

>>95914847
I'm still declaring for my Empress.

>>95914755
I think their only hope of salvaging this is going with the unreliable narrator route and saying its all from Cathay's perspective, though they explictly mention the west sees Cathay as some paradise, but it still could work as false propaganda. BL should do a book about an Empire merchant going to Cathay and seeing how its this bureaucratic nightmare of callous scholars consigning millions of peasants to drudgery maintaining a wall and the dragon emperors kitchen.

Holy fuck where are the people that were defending the Cathay lore? This shit is ridiculous

>>95914943
I guess they didn't see the new lore, lol

>>95914943
/twg/

>>95914943
Hi.

>>95914943
imagine if they'd done Araby lmao.

>>95914789
>It seems as if GW is trying to undo the "grimdarkification" that occurred during 6th.
Sure

>>95914978
ARABY IS A LAND IMMUNE TO CHAOS, WHO WORSHIPS GODS (respectfully), IS CLEANER THAN THE REST OF THE OLD WORLD, FIGHTS WITH MORE HONOR THAN BRETONNIA, HAS BETTER BEARDS THAN THE DWARFS, AND WOULD NOT DARE TO CUT OFF THE HEADS OF GW FOR SHITPOSTING ABOUT ALLAH

>>95914978
Araby at least would have fit in well with the early focus on Bretonnia and TK

>>95914981
If only the Empire was ethnically Han...

>>95914981
That's not grimdark. I'm not defending cathay - I think it's stupid and doesn't belong in the game - but it shows a trend.

I hope the next edition of 40k introduces a space dragon empire from the galaxy next door which is bigger and better than the Imperium in every way and stays that way because they're all Chinese and not like the Tau. GW would be firebombed

>>95907146
I am so close to killing myself

>>95914978
It would've been based.
>t. Arab disliker

>>95914989
Magic is actually weak in Araby and they enslave literally everything including daemons.
May also be like the Shantae series since every town has a guardian spirit.

>>95915048
I wiggle my ass on the toilet like Shantae's idle animation

I bet you guys wish you could paint as well as these guys.

>leave old world
>suddenly the women get much more attractive(Cathay, Ulthuan, Naggaroth)
Hmmmm.

>>95915066
I'm gonna be honest if the sentinel is the same price as other big kits it'll be a crazy rip off for a poseless, non customisable scenery piece.

>>95914678
Yeah, great Miao Ying landed in Marienburg with her airships.

...which had been founded like ten years earlier in some elf ruins. Marienburg's basically a shitty dark age village and fort in Sigmar's time.

>>95914943
I'd like to sidestep that discussion, just a little bit. I'm a little peeved by the manner of the presentation of Cathay. The fluff is written almost like a play-by-play summary of Cathay's history from before its founding and into modern times. But as a result relatively little is said of the country and the people in the present. So I think they messed up a bit by how they chose to do this presentation. I think it would have been more pragmatic to list the different provinces and institutions and characterize them, instead of telling Xen Yang's life story across ten thousand years. Because this is after all a wargame that assumes the players will want to build armies hailing from certain lands or circumstances, so an introduction to the lands themselves would be more practically useful. Most of this historical stuff could have been covered on 1-2 pages of perfunctory entries listing significant events.

How long till GW adds Cathay to the big map?
https://www.theoldworld.com/
though looking at if if they just move the eastern edge of the map far enough east that we see everything but the coast of Cathay i imagine a lot of Ind and Khuresh will also be shown.

>>95915105
>Because this is after all a wargame that assumes the players will want to build armies hailing from certain lands or circumstances
I don't think this is the angle GW are going for at all, I think they want it to be more like AoS or 40k in which you have a centrepiece model with models supporting them, focus on a named character leading their troops into battle.

>>95914943
Even I couldn't in jest this shits mad fucked

>>95915105
Couldn't agree more, the focus on the dragons just feels like shitty 40kification of fantasy with our primarchdragons and emporerdragon

>>95915102
There's a really weird thing where it seems like TOW started with a HH vibe of portraying the world at a particular point in time, hence the Empire focus, but has now just become a new version of WHFB with the lore the writers didn't like ignored.

>Cathay is a smashing success, GW can't keep them in stock, we're talking MESBG levels of temporarily out of stock
>GW still focuses on 40k and AoS
Oooooooh.

>>95915133
If shilling sexy dragon women prevents the shitpost times, fuck it.

I like the idea of chaos tricking Miao Ying into killing her sister. That's exactly the kind of petty and malicious thing the chaos gods would do for a laugh. Also there's an implication that the moon empress wiped Miao's memories of it which is a cool bit of depth to her character, and raises questions about what might be going on with the speculation about one of the unnamed dragon children falling to chaos. The rest of the details of the cataclysm are nice too, I don't really feel they jack off Cathay more than an army book should here.

The lore details with Nehekara are fun. The idea that the DE has nightmares about Nagash is both hysterical and opens up interesting possible feelings/relationships about undead.

I don't like that they gloss over how massive a fuck up creating the great maw was. But again I guess an army book isn't gonna focus on that. I also dislike the interactions between Miao ying and Sigmar. It makes the world feel small when all the main characters have met.

Keeping the note about the scheming lords of Nan-gau is a nice nod that all might not be as grand in Cathay as this book wants you to believe.

The line about gunpowder is pure Cathan propaganda and I refuse to accept it.

Overall it's definitely sucking off Cathay but it gives future writers interesting places to take the lore.

>>95915139
Honestly good, being a specialist game is the best thing for WHFB. Getting AoS or 40k scheduling would be so ass.

>>95911358

>>95915148
>I also dislike the interactions between Miao ying and Sigmar
I like that they banged.

>>95914847
Reading the TOW RPG player guide, it's still going o,n but each side to worn out over nearly a thousand years of civil war to do much except seethe about it

>>95915163
There's just some shugengan in Nan Gao directly related to Sigmar and likely does bullshit busywork as a failson/faildaughter and this makes me smile.

>>95915148
WHERE ARE PEOPLE GETTING THIS FLUFF???

>>95915148
what interesting places can future writers take the lore to anon? It's a perfect regime where anything interesting gets mindwiped and the entire premise has already failed to make anything of dragons ruling humans and how it should be mutual parasitism not some utopian situation. It's as bad as that WoW expac that completely trashed dragon lore to make them my little ponies.

>>95913500
The thing that pisses me off the most about this is there's no option to run it on anything other than the stupid horse dragon thing, like why not let us run it on foot? Is it literally just they're worried that someone might kitbash their own instead of paying £100 for one of these models?

>>95915191
Arcane journal leaks i think, also the TOW RPG book released i think

WHFB 4e is genuinely so good that I don't see the appeal in a ToW RPG at all. If not the rules, which are of missed quality, 4e supps treated the lore a hell of a lot better than GW did and expressed, I think, real love from the creators. It wasn't perfect but it was good. Why dilute with a competitor?

>>95914943
Post it you faggots

I like the seething over Cathay not being unbearably shitty to live in, just regular shitty.

>the only thing the dragon emperor has ever been scared of is nagash

>>95915225
It's not regular shitty at all. It's utopian.

>>95915226
Skeletor scary, the DE banned skeletons in media as a result.

>>95915148
Sorry, where is the part about the scheming lords of Nan-Gau?

>>95915231
>totalitarian regime led by immortal inhuman monsters that don't care about human life whom you have to slavishly worship or your own countrymen murder your
Sure.

>>95915195
Yin-yin fucked off to be a pirate queen
Yuan Bo is gooning in his room over his totally not tzeentchian Bird GF
Zhao Ming is snorting warp stone in the west while commiserating with Greasus about their dads sucking
Li Dao on campaign in the south dealing with either Khuresh or the monkey king

Basically Miao Ying is the only competent kid that's actually present while the Emperor takes a nap.

>>95915225
>>95915231
It is a land of peace and prosperity. There is no shit.

>>95915233
I do kinda like the
>humans are so vital and interesting, I want to see them thrive
>not like that

>>95915244
Bro your headcanon and fanfiction does not matter. This is the word of god: >>95914570

>>95915245
Literally none of this is fucking true anon. The book is fully scanned. Yin-Yin is not a pirate. Zhao Ming happily trades with the dwarves. There is not a single dragon sibling who is in a crisis like you are making out. Yuan Bo and Li Dao are barely even mentioned in the AJ.

>>95915238
>only cathay has balloons
well ya the Dwarves have a legit fucking air force why would they use balloons. Honestly most elves are also a threat since Cathay has like a few dragons sure but they are way out numbered.

>>95915265
Yeah, Yin-Yin is hanging out with her useless friend Kazuma.

>>95915231
>immortal 100% autocratic god emperor just fucks off for centuries at a time to leave his empire in turmoil
>utopian

>>95915265
well sure but they asked where things could go not where they are now.

>>95915275
Bro read the fucking AJ, it's in the thread. This is the bit about him currently being away.

Also, again, Xen Yang is explicitly a kind and benevolent ruler who is not a 100% autocratic god emperor.

>>95915195
>Miao ying killed her sister on accident and has to live with that knowledge
>or she doesn't, because anytime something bad happens in Cathay they mind wipe people into thinking it's all fine
>Former rulers of nehekara, including Settra, had interactions with Cathay when they were alive.
>very few details are given on the other dragon children or the monkey king, so no idea what fuckery is going on there. We know they don't really get along and in a few decades a civil war is gonna break out between them so you're

>>95915238
a sidebar on Miao's page

Given the Nagash thing, I'd be most interested in the Great Necromancer hijacking Shiyama's spirit that Xen Yang explicitly bound to the land of Cathay itself as a future development. This will never happen because Grand Cathay has literally intentionally censored skulls and skeletons due to Chinese Cultural Sensitivity, but would be a cool plot point, thematically fitting, and a legitimate threat to Cathay's stability.

>>95915295
Sidebar seems very at odds with the general tone of the book desu.

>>95915105
It's tough because the AJs seem to be capped to a fairly limited number of pages, for reasons unclear but probably related to cost or what GW feels it can milk, and they need to both give you something to experiment with and establish Cathay as having ALWAYS been a part of the setting. So we just get the latter part here.

Cynically, I don't think GW actually has an overall picture of Cathay beyond what's in TWW. And modern GW hates presenting anything they don't have a ready-made model for, so they wouldn't be sharing a bunch of extra details that might take people away from buying the available models right now anyway.

>>95915305
When I first heard the spirit river lore with TWW, I assumed that's what happened during the End Times when Nagash ate the death gods, he probably took control of Shiyama or released all the spirits in the river.

While you guys are bitching that dommy dragon mommy is a good girl that likes people turns out GW added a break point to TOW like Warmaster.

>>95915294
Holy fuck lmao

>>95915295
the nehekhara lore has existed since the nagash trilogy at least

>>95915375
literally no one is going to play that matched rulebook

>>95914678
mfw Bleached anon was actually right.

>>95915391
ya haven't we always known that some of Nagash's followers fled east to cathay after he was killed.

>>95915391
Yeah the matched play stuff is horrific. For all their talk about making infantry important nothing in it does, only two scenarios/objectives care about something even being core, and the secret objectives are crazily imbalanced.

>>95915285
>>95915294
LMAO Jesus Christ, it's as if this AJ was written directly in response to my post. Yeah fuck Cathay, especially when they decided to keep Bretonnia's nu-lore as being a mudcore inbred GoT-esque shithole

>>95915444
>>95915444
>>95915444
New Thread.
Same shit.

>>95915209
C7 wanted more money, and WFRP(especially 4e) is pretty crunchy compared to recently made systems so they probably thought they lost sales with WFRP due to that crunch
I do like the magic system in TOW RPG though

>>95914978
Golden Age Islamic culture is fucking kino.

>>95915148
>I don't like that they gloss over how massive a fuck up creating the great maw was

Legacy army innit.

>>95915149

Getting AoS or 40k's writers and minis would be so ass

>>95915265
Where is the scan of it

>>95914584
>to undo the harm done to his world by the coming of the Old Ones and the collapse of their polar gate
>the harm done to his world by the coming of the Old Ones
So literally undoing moving the wolrd closer to the sun.
I wonder how manking will fair on a polar world.

He did it right ... It was him all along ?

>>95907387
No, that sounds badass and it needs to happen more often.
t. Euro

I would play Araby too desu.