Beastmen Edition

Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H
>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip
>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/
>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Previous Thread: >>95915444


>TQ: What are you working on this weekend?

>TQ
too busy playing the total war update to actually assemble shit

Working on the Beastmen MTO

Alright take this many S10 AP-4 multiple wounds D3 hits on your general from my very fairly priced Cathayan character.

>TQ
3ppm fellas

>>95922684
>Cathayan
who? Sorry, I play Fantasy Battles..

>>95922678
Such a shame that this is MTO. The beast lord metal sculpt is so much better than the newer one

what's this about?

cathay bros, how are we holding up now since battle reports showed that our army is mid-tier at best?

>TQ
Gonna work on finishing up my band of chaos warriors. I only have one sword & board guy and a musician left to do and will be starting on some marauder horsemen when they arrive next week. This is a mid-painting pic of my champion that I did up yesterday. I was a bit scared of mucking up the red inside the helmet but I'm pretty happy with how it came out.
>>95922678
These boys are looking rough and ready, nice ones anon.

>>95922838
Good. Turns out the army is fine an you need actual skill to win with it.

>>95922639 (OP)
>TQ
I just worked on this (now canon) pic.

>>95922838
fine by me, i already ordered the whole collection up at my flgs today, minus the balloon because im not going to pay $200 for a paper lantern, i'll just get one for $5 at the local oriental mart

>>95922838
where do you even come up with this low level bait? the only batrep live is them blasting ogres...

>>95922933
Please don't post it here ever again, or post it everyday on /twg/, either or both is good.

>>95922639 (OP)
>TQ
Currently repainting ogre leadbelchers that I drybrushed 10 years ago. After that, I'm going to paint a couple of chaos dwarfs, the tyrant and finally finish my wood elves. Done with fantasy for this year after all that so I can paint some 40k

>>95922951
Mountain Minis has them blasting Skaven, I think. I haven't seen it yet.

>>95922958
Sorry bruh, no can do.
I'll have to post it here whenever Cathy is discussed.

>>95922951
There was a livestream from mountain miniatures. 4000 points vs skaven which ended in a draw.
Cathay desperately needs a buff.

>>95922974
ahh i see that, its locked to members and 4k vs 4k points
I cant even imagine trying to move 4k points of skaven every turn...

>>95922992
>not being a MM members
wtf are you doing my nigga

>>95922988
>4k points
> paid shills
Yeah sure anon, anyways does GW pay you directly or does your WAACfaggotry urge to justify broken shit itself a reward?

>>95922933
Sigmar the mortal man, tired after hard life, found love and peace with an immortal Chinese dragon and you use it to post /pol/ memes.

>>95922754
It's either Kislev or Dogs of War style faction but i woulden't expect any in the next 6 months

>>95923011
>and you use it to post /pol/ memes.
You can use it for "/pol/ memes", sure, but it doesn't mean that it's not canon.
It's also ironically funny since that's Maio-Ying's voice actress, and she wrote that exact post.

>>95922788
wonder who Newman thought controlled the South of the Warhammer World
But it's just Kim Newman making some pop culture jokes, all his work is pretty irreverent.

>>95922639 (OP)
>TQ
Assembling my wood elf recasts and painting more Glade guard. These recasts were more bubbly than past ones but still got most the detail right.

>>95922629
what happen ?

>>95922933
Total war and it's consequences have been a disaster for the warhammer fantasy community.

>>95923039
It probably isn't canon, GW hates fun, but that Tio Alberto becomes Sigmar's song is perfect.
>que suerte tienes cochino
>que al final del camino
>te espero una sombra fresca

>>95923047
>a Chinese sensitivity team
Hold up, they didn't set up a in-house how not to offend China team?
They actually went to a third party to get wumao'd at by a gaggle of diminutive bucktoothed gremlins?

What is it about these specific models, TK skellies, that makes zoomers seethe uncontrollably?

>>95923047
I'm not sure it's fair when all of the art examples on the left are from WFRP and from he time when notorious lefty Andy Law was running the line, you need to add some more recent examples of C7 adding random black people to the Empire for it to make more sense

>>95923096
TK skeletons have an inherent joie de vivre that zoomies will never experience and resent because of their inability to grasp it

>>95923096
They're real ugly.
Ancient even by the standards of the Old World.

>>95922933
I'd hit that with a 6.

>>95923096

They were designed for another faction in the 90s. This has resulted in them carrying weapons like hatchets, flails and scimitars. There is a fucking gravestone on the sprue.
They look nothing like the unit they are supposed to represent and don't fit the wider aesthetics of the faction at all.

>>95923096
the are simplicity manifested (and effective), the complete opposite of GW today

>>95923096
dunno, probably the fact they're outdated and visibly so since 2008

>>95923020
It's vampire coast, clearly, they wouldn't release back to back humans

>>95923001
Anon if you hate WAAC faggotry, why do you care about how strong cathay is? Whether or not you win against your opponent doesn't matter

>>95923047
>it has to be warhammer
>but no skulls tho, the chinese don't like that

>wanted to fimish painting my mordheim warband
>forgot how i painted the existing models robes
shit!

in the meantime, I discovered the heraldy for my family, should I get a bretonnian lord and paint him up in my family's colours etc?

>>95923100
ok hows this?

>>95923164
> Also, ignore the times we have represented with Cathay characters with Skulls

>>95923163
>called out as a WAACfag.
>but anon, if you're not a WAACfag you must not care about winning.
The absolute stunning level of retardation on display here.

>>95922788
>and of the great gojira and the catshits daemons in the east
I beg your pardon, the what?

>>95923180
you forgot about the black damzel in the full tilt board GW made
shieeet

>>95923096
They are really bad. Plastic zombies, the old monkey clan rats, the hunch back chaos warriors (less so, it has good parts and isn't too hard to fix), and to an extent the high elf infantry are unacceptably bad kits, and for the armies where they're really the only option and there are no good alternative plastic kits out there, I would never even consider making the army.

>>95923180
Yeah, that's fine

>>95923173
>, I discovered the heraldy for my family, should I get a bretonnian lord and paint him up in my family's colours etc?
Of course, unless you plan an Empire army

>>95923183
Anon what do you think WAAC means?

>>95923195
I hate anglos so much

I'm gonna guess the Sky Lantern has 7 wounds because it has 3 more crew than your usual chariot and GW somehow decided chariot = 2 wounds, +1 wound for each crew?

>>95923200
Do you not know the difference between win at all costs and winning?

>>95923206
Cubicle 7 is based in Dublin, and most of its staff are Irish.

>>95923190
Totally forgot about that.

How about now?

>>95923180
Through in the bit where they were very careful to get the skin tone of Cathay exactly right.

>>95922684
>Gets one shot by a lance with Monster Slayer before they can attack.

>>95923096
Zoomers are incapable of holding attention to anything not visually overloaded due to a lifetime of being rotted cognitively by electronics. It's why they love AoS and TW models. Anything that is meant to look decent as part of army asthetic is too abstract for them
>the skellies are fucking ancient kits though.

>>95923233
>Spend 400+ points to be d6movement -1
>For a 50/50shot to kill a baloon 1/3rd the price
You did it anon, you really proved Cathay is shit.

>>95923206
Listen, we may have done a lot of stuff, but this one is on the Hibernians.

>>95923226
So are they taking revenge on the anglos by ruining their setting with blacks? Or is it by GW decree? I am assuming decree because 40k and AoS novels also have blacks on the covers everywhere.

>>95923256
Virtue of Heroism can't kill the Lantern, because it's a chariot.

>>95923258
>So are they taking revenge on the anglos by ruining their setting with blacks?
They are petty like that.

>>95923269
...lol really? Jesus

AVANTI PIGGALO!

>>95923285
Yeah, neither Killing Blow or Monster Slayer mention chariots as somthing they can one shot, so neither rule works against them.
I thought you were referring to a Shugengan.

>>95923228
>>95923180
Where is my black priest of Sigmar ?

>>95923210
Are you trying to claim it's literally impossible to win against cathay?

>>95922684
>Turns off fly

Heh, nice try balloser

>>95923183
He is not me though, retard lol

>>95923328
You will need to provide an example anon

>>95923343
Damn, you took me down from move 9 to move 8!

>>95923334
You've moved goalposts 3x anon, just admit you're a sweatlord and move on.

what skin color should I use to batch paint my cathays? flayed one flesh?

>>95923388
Vallejo desert yellow

>>95923352
>I'm not him just butting into a convo!
Retard is as a retard does

>>95923388
Bad Moon Yellow

>>95923400
So you have proven lol

>>95923388

>>95923388
Pallid Opium Addict

>>95923411
That you're retarded? Didn't take much effort

>>95923353
NTA, but here ya go

>>95923180
have you ever thought about caring about things that actually matter?

>>95923467
He's not black that's just Malekith infiltrating the Empire

Looking at the Grand Cathay army roster it says they can take mercenaries, so they should be able to take Badland Ogres, but the Old World army builder doesn't let them. It looks like it's a mistake on the army builder's part, but I'm just wondering if there's something I'm missing in either the ogre bull's mercenary rules or Cathay's that means they can't actually take them.

>>95923388
Imperial Fists Yellow Contrast

>>95923467
>>95923328
Have some knights, while we're at it

This is what I'm going to try running for Grand Cathay first

Characters - 859pts
>Shugengan Lord level 4 with heavy armor and celestial blade (290)
>Shugengan Lord level 3 with heavy armor, monkey king's wisdom and learned feng shi bo (344)
>Strategist (General) with crystal of kunlan on Sky Lantern with sky lantern bombs (225)
Core - 501pts
>6 Jade Warriors with standard bearer with icon of heavenly fury (89)
>15 Jade Lancers with ambush, drilled, champion with spirit lantern and standard bearer with standard of wei-jin (412)
Special - 488pts
>Sky Lantern with sky lantern bombs (150)
>Grand Cannon with ogre loader and gunpowder bombs (173)
>Grand Cannon with ogre loader (165)
Rare - 150pts
>Sky Lantern with sky lantern bombs (150)

Total: 1998pts and OK for the new matched play rules. The idea is to just play keep away with the flying units forever and use the combined +/-3 to ambush rules from the 3 Sky Lanterns to just never bring on the big Jade Lancer unit until the very end of the game to deny your enemy 412pts because they can never kill it. But if you have to commit it, you'll pretty much be able to choose when and it isn't a bad unit by itself forcing Terror tests at -1Ld.

>>95923477
Funny thing is, this is the only black-skin painted miniature in their official Nuln army

>>95923485
You'd think the generals would be sold out by now but it's still just the box, the dice and the book

>>95923484
Is this an offical one? Looks like sisters if battle stuff

>>95923485
Why so many sugar pies?

>>95923353
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/reyt1ogb/old-world-almanack-the-empire-and-its-armies-of-infamy/
Bonus: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ph4embz2/old-world-almanack-the-knightly-orders-of-the-empire/

Warhammer: the Old World is a rank and flank wargame

>>95923485
Flying Circus niggas licking their lips reading this

>>95923545
I think that matchup is a loss anyway so do I care about trying to play around it?

>sold out online
>flgs out of orders
>ebay only has scalpers left
Time to cultivate via painting backlog meditation until the fucking figures come into stock I guess.
May your golden cores be a high tier anons.

>>95923516
If it wasn't for rule of 3 I would just run the whack-a-mole shugengan and like 8 sky lanterns.

>>95923566
WYA? If you're in Canada I can link a few that still have stock

>>95923566
>sold out online
i fucking wish, we won't see kislev if people doesn't start buying soon

>>95923485
>keep 400pts in reserve
>the opponent shoots off one of your cannons

>your army reaches its break point and you lose automatically

>>95923578
I live in the land of the Hamburger.

>>95923591
Nobody is going to play with break points.

>>95923594
Oh sorry can't help with that not familiar with freedom stores.

Since we're making stupid lists, did you know a 2000pts army of tomb king can field 6 warsphinxes?

>>95923566
anti-Cathay bros...it's over

>>95923485
>2k points
>6 foot soldiers in the whole army
shit like this is why TOW is gay

>>95923584
In the US at least the battalion box is sold out, seems to be the only region though, everyone else is just sold out of AJ's and dice depending on the area.

>>95922639 (OP)
>TQ
Working on this griffon then moving on to my wizard on pegasus.

>>95923612
>warsphinx is special
>not rare
lmao what the fuck

Green base rim anon here. TQ: guys on the right, will probably paint the machine next, OR I'll finally finish a small bunch of plastic dark elves with repeater crossbows.
I bought the original metal Goblin Hewer with Malakai back in 2009. I still have the whole crew, but for some reason I lost most of the parts for the machine. Now that I have the recast I could give it a metal baseplate, one of the few parts I have left of the original.
You can really tell which one of these pairs was painted by a teenager towards the tail end of the 7th ed, and which one by an adult slurping the oldhammer kool-aid and juggling between six different races to break up the monotony of it all. Anyway, they turned out quite nicely, I just wish I had noticed that egregious seamline beforehand.

*dabs on Middenheim*

I will not play against your Cathay army if you're not using the official Cathay dice

>>95923612
>stupid lists
Every good TOW list is stupid.

>>95923637
The only time I paypigged full price for dices was for Blood Bowl since all other dices look like shit

>>95923637
I don't play the old world (yet) but I do want these dice

>>95923637
>$77.00
Huh

>>95923228
>>95923229
Yeah. The entire pic is pretty pointless without the Cathay skin tone bit, because that's where the contradiction and doublethink really hits.

>>95923637
Just for that I'm using legends of the 5 rings dice just to be an ass.
I know someone is gonna be deeply upset about that.

How does the empire cope with the fact that cathay is superior in every way?

>>95923615
Maybe they're the only survivors of a long campaign.

>>95923641
a list based on the units you like will never be stupid

>>95923637
That dice set is trashy. Real Cathay niggas are going to be rocking real Jade dice

>>95923652
Sigmar redeemed the honour of the Empire by bedding Miao Ying.

>>95923572
depending on how the rule of 3 gets faqqed, you might be able to deploy 2 magistrates, 3 startegists and 3 normal lanterns as a maximum amount of lanterns, plus 550pts of core troops and you end up with exactly 2000pts

no ligma or sugma tho

>>95923661
This never happened though

>>95923654
Cool, I like the sky lanterns and the funky dragon dudes.

>>95923669
I think you probably want at least 1 ligma. Honestly even if you just use them at wizards they're good value.

>>95923194
>Plastic zombies
Excellent kit
the old monkey clan rats
Aside separate tails, which is silly, an exxellent kit, fully compatible with Night Runners (an even better kit)
>the hunch back chaos warriors
Objectively superior to the wannabe-badass walking refrigerators the later kit is
>high elf infantry
Small hands typed this post

>>95923671
>>95922933
It's canon now. Get with the times, grandpa.

>>95923506
Posted at Warhammer Community, made by a studio member, I think

>>95923641
good vampire counts armies look like real armies, but that's about it

>>95923688
Show proof

>>95923701
I want them to release VC's or Lizardmen RIGHT FUCKING NOW

>can't even beat a legacy army
It's over, cathay bros...
We need buffs
https://youtu.be/V4ET4mDWqRA

>>95923701
You mean 2 Terrorgheists and 2 Mortis Engines? Yeah...

>>95923615
cavalry units as core options have always been a mistake
bretonnia should be the exception, like ogres are exceptional for having monstrous infantries as core troops

The Cathay art in the book is absolutely gorgeous and gives me a lot of hope for the future. Much better than the Bret/TK/most new art done for TOW. Too bad the lore reads like the most shameless fanfiction I have ever seen. Sonichu levels of cringe.

>>95923706
Frankly I want new stuff. While I never dabbled with lizardmen, vampire counts were a pain in the ass to hobby with.

>>95923842
Vampire Coast would be really really cool. TOW is set right after the Vampire wars. So you could write about a bunch of defeated Vampires taking to the seas and pillaging/sailing the coasts after being driven from the Old World.

>>95923704
It's very much implied how deep their "friendship" was.

>>95923194
>hunchback chaos warriors
They're wonderful. I'm preparing to add 40 more of them to my collection.

>>95922933
Why do dragon women love human men so much?

>ukraine sensibility team removes ungols and renames kislev onto kysliv

>>95923876
Doesn't Ukraine have a large Tartar population?

28 Weeks Later had Warhammer Fantasy vibes, maybe its the skulls

28 Years Later had Warhammer Fantasy vibes, maybe its the skulls

>>95923853
>Cathayans met Sigmar
utterly retarded

>>95923926
Meow did more than just meet Sigmar.

>>95923913
It's always the skulls. The citadel skull box might as well be called instant warhammer just add paint.

>>95923913
>>95923940
Post one model with skulls

>>95923959
SOVL is directly proportional to the amount of skulls.
This means og Nagash is the most sovlfvl mini as he's a skull made of skulls with a skull sword and skull staffed tapped off with skulls.

>>95923959

>>95923826
Cathay should've been a chaotic nation overwhelmed with infighting. The renaissance saw the end of the Ming dynasty and China has always been a grand drama of political corruption and warlords. It makes sense for Cathay to be virtually irrelevant if it's like that but no we get retcon retroactively added fanfiction only asked for by a video game team that wanted something shiny

>>95923853
So another coomer headcanon

>>95923584
Anon-sama
>>95923616
Apparently UK might be too, someone said they tried adding it and buying but got an error

>>95923996
UK seems to still be available as of right now.

>>95923988
>chinawank (i.e. the place doesn't suck and there's op anime girls that wanna fuck you)
>bad
>chaoswank
>good
Priestley, listen man I love your work but the obsession with Chaos being the predetermined winner is annoying.

>>95923988
>fanfiction only asked for by a video game team that wanted something shiny
Anon I have played TW Warhammer extensively and Cathay in game is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more dark than in TT. There are regular events about peasants being sent away to reeducation camps and government officials falling to Tzeetchian corruption.

>Cathay sells so well it retcons the end times to just being a what if like storm of Chaos
CENTURY
OF
PROSPERITY

>>95923876
To this day I fail to see the purpose in all but erasing the ungol-gospodar relationship for the new Kislev they made for Total War, specially since they kept bringing up how it was a good thing, as if predicting people wouldn't be happy.

Specially grating is their new looks, with everyone sharing the same cozy leather jackets instead of half of them going naked from the waist up, steppe chad style.

>>95924026
Because gospodars are fantasy Russian/Poles (aka the city " Lords/nobles " ) to the fantasy Ukrainian Ungols ( steppe people and rural peasants )

>>95924019
say thank you to xi!

>>95924013
TWW isn't Warhammer Fantasy either.

>>95923646
Australian, could be worse, they are $90 for the kiwi's

>>95924050
It's a love letter to Fantasy. Thanks to them I will always have the Warhammer Fantasy world right there to jump into.

>>95922968
> FULLY PAINTED armies
> Nice terrain (including home made stuff)
KAH KAH KAH KINO

>>95924012
+1 social credit has been deposited to your account

>>95924061
Post your models

>>95922712
Where did you get those zombies?

These things had better be as good at catching bullets as everyone says.

>>95924074
That's fireforge zombie peasants

Is spamming viletide around a herdstone a viable tactic against empire gun lines?
I’m bringing kralmaw and 2 level 3 shamans.

Where's his mini

>>95924099
Nah. Maybe if they make him a minority and/or female

>>95924072
Post your models

actually maybe I should have a bret lord use my family's name and herealdry because its literally gay

>>95924080
Danke

>>95924099
That's Engra, but both of them should get models.

Why didn't they update empire troops to reflect a 50/50 gendered ratio like Cathay? Feels so dated

>>95924108
FUCK
*shouldnt.

>>95924106
He's a Kurgan, so he is a minority as their vaguely meant to be central asian.

>>95924108
>>95924121
No, no, you should. It fits them.

>>95924130
Asians are objectively good in TOW, that's wrong

>>95924136
>mfw get kicked out for naming my bret lord "sir thomas le gay"

>>95924072
>>95924107
Waiting mr fakegrog

>>95924099
also that's not asavar kul, that's engra deathsworn and he's showing up in the 2nd edition starter set for tow
>the daemon wrecks praag
introducing kislev as a full faction and range for the game, while the chaos side is mostly old models, bit featuring forsaken heavily

>>95924130
Isn’t that the Hung?

>>95924167
Kugan are central asian steppe nomads, Hung are far east asian steppe nomads.

>Cathay is too perfect! The models don’t look right! They don’t fit the vibe!
>the vibe is apparently a hedgehog-looking guy in spiky armor called Angry Deathsword
Warhammer fans really need to move beyond their nostalgia.

>>95924175
I thought they were like the dude from Highlander.

>>95924178
They don't make Chaos Warriors like they used to.

>>95924186
The guy from Highlander is meant to be from the steppes of Central Asia, around the Caspian Sea.

>>95924156
>engra
>30 forsaken
>1 chaos chariot
>10 marauder horsemen

>ice witch on chariot
>10 winged lancers
>4 bear riders (2 units of 2)
>1 bear cannon

>>95923047
>>95923180
In universe explaination: it's all fucking Nagash's fault. Xen Yang was so afraid of him that he banned all skull and necromantic imagery.

>>95924198
Clancy Brown is Asian?!

>>95924178
It sounds like you just don't like nor understand warhammer

/aosg/ is a few blocks down

>>95924207
No but Sean Connery wasn't from Nehekhara either

>>95924196
Isn’t their a theory Engra actually killed Kul?

>>95922933
>>95923853
>>95923856
I know he ended up being a jobber, but could Valten secretly be Sigmar's + Miao Ying's ancestor?

>>95924239
How the fuck is a guy born after Sigmar died his ancestor?

>>95924242
>he doesn’t know the Cathay AJ 2 will introduce time travel

>>95924178
>doesn't identify himself as a warhammer fan
>doesn't think engra deathsword is the coolest shit ever
Get out, faggot.

>>95924118
Is this the one rendition of Kul around? I'd love to see a full body shot.

>>95924250
That stopped being cool when he blew up the planet and brought about Age of Retard and diet space marines.

>>95924244
Does time travel exist in 40k?

>>95924239
no, valten doesn't have sigmar's blood

cathay is just too flanderized, they should've left it more open like every other army and develop it naturally over time instead of prematurely aborting all the potential

>>95924261
Yes, but only for comedic effect.

>>95924242
I think he meant descendant.

>>95924260
>That stopped being cool when he blew up the planet
So he never stopped being cool because he had nothing to do with that


retard

>>95924244
hopefully they fix the mistakes with cathay then

>>95924279
Akshually, Engra Deathsword did serve in Archaon’s armies during the End Times. I believe he was the only one of the three major Chaos generals to survive the Great War too.

>>95924215
>>95924261
There are instances of time travel yes; travelling forwards in time is the most common way, but there are examples of the opposite (like when Ahriman and his mates visited Earth during its unification).

>>95924286
still didn't matter in the end because he died before the important events

>>95924292
>95924215
oops, sorry for the (you).

>>95923566
>>95923578
>>95923584
>>95923616
There's still like 10 pre-order available on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/267298366037?_skw=warhammer+grand+cathay&itmmeta=01JYAA7DVMPKR1WQ4A9TM0VZCG&hash=item3e3c396255:g:8v0AAOSwhhpoVtkg&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1edDyRUu9NTAPDKUJT6F%2B%2Fw8fgR6XH2u%2BVr9RrstjB%2B%2FIpDQnSZF5oG3d7cYThMjx1tofgBkJAbPkVBW0HD4CACoKKBtNs9pg16Tc7snMCVbhH7VqU5wp14u7YULNPFMnYuGH%2BUv8zaN9oZt6%2BEY%2FCU18f3UWurSfsXVQyuQSJZvXg%2F6vc86K7dUeIfznzSdJ%2FjN5rwJdJcfkELK97ptmooD%2BpalPCdCx5JI99rfwMM4opW5VtyQ7p0pmHbKPgJQWzvGS3abPVmrm8D%2FkQ5ubPsfL41Ekdu1YVSSNcwqpCEyw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_jdncryZQ

Wait, the balloon isn’t a large target?

>>95924261
Nigga, not only that, time travel exists in fantasy, as do parallel timelines and hopping between them

The empire of the old ones used to span time, not just space

>>95924313
Now you begin to understand.

>>95924313
It absolutely is a large target
the shugengan isn't

>>95922933
>>95923853
>>95924283
You can add this to the list of reasons why Sigmar dissappeared without leaving an heir: He wanted to see Miao Ying one last time before his death.

>>95924337
Interesting that whatever text it’s pulling from specifies “by humans”.

>>95924299
damn looking through this and some other stuff for sale on Ebay i've got to assume ToW is doing pretty decently, more than 100 WE AJs sold though a single seller via Ebay only seems kind of decent.....

>>95923194
Inordinately homosexual post

Bataille would collect Beastmen
God I hate Beastmen

>>95924337
>bot overview

>doesn't know that sigmar did, without a shadow of a doubt, have children born from his woman, ravenna, the only woman he ever loved
sigmar purposefully hid his bloodline because he wanted the empire to be ruled by elected people and not by birthright

Is this true, guys?

>>95924348
Don't be a contrarian newfag, those kits were considered unanimously bad over 15 years ago already.

>>95924382
yes, it's that bad

>>95924382
There is some reason to believe it's all a load of shit considering the whole 'mind fucking Miao Ying to forget that she killed her sister who had been corrupted by chaos and pretending she's Shen zoo"

>>95922639 (OP)
Here ya go fren!

>>95924421
>There is some reason to believe it's all a load of shit
No, it's not, the book is not written under the lens of a cathayan or any sort of unreliable or biased or non-omniscient narrator.

It is undeniably and indefensibly bad.

>>95924382
You do realize that the Cathay Arcane Journal was written "In Universe" and "In Character" by a very biased Cathayan Historian/Chronicler whose target audience are non-Cathayans right?

>>95924439
No, it's not.

>>95924439

>>95924255
There might be others, but that's the only one I've seen.

And the of them all, is the Ultracathayans!

>>95924439
Ah yes, the famous cathayan chroniclers who would know about the death of the spirit dragon despite the nation-wide mind cleanse, or about the fact demons tempted the dragon emperor.

>>95924439
It's written in the same prose style as the other books. The Orc book says that the Orcs came to the WHFFB world by stealing aboard their ships. Did the Orcs write that?

>>95924255

I feel like you could have answered this yourself with a Google search

>>95924178
>>95924250
This looks fucking retarded. I fail to see how Chingchong Bannu is any worse or sillier than Angrydeath McMurderkill.

>>95924480
that's not kul, that's engra, that game mixed up the characters.

>>95924427
I'm still not sure who this Warhammer Armoury clothing and items are meant to appeal to

>>95924492
>I fail to see
must be those pesky epicanthic folds

>>95924492
Angrydeath McMurderkill is cool, works by the rules of the setting and serves to support its themes, cathay is not cool and does nothing of the above, if anything it devalues the previously established parts of the setting it touches.

>>95924444
>>95924452
>>95924477
>>95924478
This is the author directly addressing his Old World audience. This is from the same company that said Space Marine Terminator were industructable despite being easily destroyed by Genestealers.

>>95924520
>Angrydeath McMurderkill is cool
Looking like a Power Rangers villain is cool?
>works by the rules of the setting
Rules of the setting? Where are the Empire or Bretonnian guys wearing impractically huge plate armor that would make them completely immobile?
>to support its themes
Themes? Some weird "RAAAAAAAGHHHHH METULLLLLLLL" shit?

>>95924529
>This is the author directly addressing his Old World audience
No, it's not.

>This is from the same company that said Space Marine Terminator were industructable despite being easily destroyed by Genestealers.
Because you are too autistic to understand hyperboles.

>>95924478
>Did the Orcs write that?
They want Orcs to think they are illiterate retards because (((they))) fear what Orcs are capable of.

>>95924541
>Looking like a Power Rangers villain is cool?
Yes
>Rules of the setting?
Yes
>Themes?
Yes

Now fuck off, mongoloid.

>>95924558
>it does
>why?
>i said so

>>95924477
I think Yuan Bo was responsible for writing editting that part. For all we know, Shiyama could have ended up as a Horus and tried pulling a Horus Heresy but was beaten by Miao Ying. Yuan Bo ended up covering it up and said the Emperor redeemed her instead.

>>95924581
It is self evidently Warhammer now fuck off perrynigger

>>95924581
>>why?
Think for once in your life and find out.

China looks pretty cool

>>95924602
>Shiyama being the Horus of Cathay.

>>95924602
yuan bo explicitly doesn't know about the way the spirit dragon died, as far as he knows, she died before any of the other dragon children were born.

>The daemon’s form shifted again, shedding some of its newly acquired stature and once again becoming female. She wore a porcelain mask divided into yin and yang, an aqueous luminescence shining through the pale skin beneath. Her hair flowed strangely, tumbling over her shoulders and down her back like water through the many stages of a river, and like the rivers of Cathay each strand had its own length, colour, and character.
>Strangest of all were her eyes.
>They were cold and blue and utterly dead.
>Yuan Bo stumbled back in shock.
>He had never met the first daughter of the Celestial Emperor and Moon Empress, for she had been already slain when Yuan Bo and his still-living siblings had first opened their eyes. It was said that she slept beneath the Dragon River, guiding the souls of the dead to the Ten Courts of Shyish under the stewardship of her Ancestral Monks.
>But he knew her appearance from the peasants’ fables.
>Shiyama, the Spirit Dragon of the Underworld.
>‘It should have been me,’ she snarled. ‘The Celestial Court should have been mine, not yours.’
>Yuan Bo shook his head furiously.
>Lies. All lies.

Your cope doesn't work, the truth is that the faction is badly written.

>>95924610
It's not China, it's a Fantasy version of the Ming Dynasty.

>>95924606
>>95924609
So you're saying the difference between Angrydeath McMurderkill and Chingchong Bannu is that the former is lame as shit *on purpose*, and that's okay because it fits Warhammer's theme, but Chingchong is lame as shit when the intention is to make him look cool, so that makes it bad?

If that's the case, what, are you saying Warhammer is basically pic related?

>>95924631
>So you're saying
No
think better, faggot

>>95924630
Ah, yes. And the Empire aren't germans, they're holy romans

>>95924636
Feel free to explain the seethe over Cathay any time then anon, unless you just wanna keep going "faggot faggot retard faggot" over and over again.

>>95924661
No, I've explained myself more than enough in this and the previous threads, and you shilling faggots keep being utterly hypocritical
think better

FAGGOT

I wonder how long it'll take the other models for the first AJ to roll out. I assume they want to get the 2nd AJ out before the HH/WH40k stuff in August/September. Then a new army in October (CD maybe)

>>95924614
>>95924602
Shimaya translates to Horus Heresy in Chinese. Very subtle GW.

>>95924736
Chaos Dwarfs are probably coming in Oct but to AoS not old world.

>>95924745
Weren't Chaos warriors a dual release to both? Could see that happening again

>>95924758
Different kits/ranges in either game

>>95924764
Could do the same thing here, AoS gets CD with 2-3 units and 6 SEU characters
TOW gets an actual army. You know like most ranges
Also what are the odds 1st Edition TOW is going to end with all legacy armies (current + Lizardmen, Vampire Counts, Ogres, Chaos Dwarves, Dark elves, skaven.... maybe not Deamons) and Kislev being released? Then they cap it off with a large books covering magic/enchanted items/etc
Then 2nd Edition we get the drip feed of new models/units. My limited knowledge of GW tells me 3 years between editions and with 1st Edition starting in 2024 that means another 1.5 years to go with 10/18 armies released.

>>95924382
Source on the gunpowder?

>>95924814
I want your take to be true but I don't think it will be. Here's hoping. I really really just want them to release Kislev or at least preview it already.

>>95924382
>>95924834
You do realize that technologies like agriculture, bronze, and iron smith can be simultanously invented on opposite sides of the world right?

>>95924861
Why do you respond to me but not answer my question? I wanted a source on them having 'better gunpowder' than the Dwarfs, not some snarky reddit comment. Kill yourself.

>>95924684
Mental illness.

>>95924660
Yes. People online keeping calling them the "Fantasy Holy Roman Empire" and the Fantasy German Empire.

>>95924890
Fuck my dislexia! I mean call them Fantasy Holy Roman Empire instead of Fantasy German Empire.

>>95924835
The bigger issue is that they'll need to squat stuff for Dark Elves and Lizardmen i'm pretty sure, i think both have mostly full alternative ranges already so not a huge thing. Chaos Deamons are the big question but i don't think we'll see them in 1st ed

>>95923853
Where red heart tattoo?

>>95924913
If they squat demons in Horus heresy, I genuinely don’t think they’ll ever see the light of day in old world.

>>95923566
>>95923578
>>95923996
Looks like the Legacy Armies are back on the menu boys!

>TQ
Just finished assembling 20 chaos warriors. Working on chaos knights now.

>>95922639 (OP)
Overall, working on my gallic themed ogre army.
I plan to finish my Leadbelcher, and start to paint my Ironblaster

>>95924502
Looks like Old World stuff. Hope someone enjoys the discount.

>>95922639 (OP)
>TQ
Nothing. I am waiting on my Minotaurs stuff
Next weekend though should be fun.

Now that TOW 2e just got confirmed, what are our hopes?

>>95922838
literally as expected

>>95924934
I don't think TOW would get god specific armies, at least not in 1st edition.
let's say....
Seeker's of Slaanesh, Seeker Chariot and Keeper of secrets from slaanesh (all 3 are sold out and look like they have alternatives on the store)
Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers, Skullmaster from Khorne
Nurgle needs more actual units in AoS god damn..... take the Poxbringer, the beast of nurgle (and give AoS Maggoth units as a replacement) and Great Unclean one (they won't because it's probably their best seller in the range but i can dream)
Exalted Flamer, Burning chariot of Tzeentch and Herald of Tzeentch on Burning chariot from tzeentch
And chaos spawn and Generic Deamon prince i guess.

>>95925016
was it?

>>95925016
Remove casualty removal, swap everything with upscaled Warmaster rules.
Let the game be about armies moving and clashing on the table rather than min-maxing pseudo rpg.

>>95924936
Daemons of Chaos Arcane Journal soon.

>>95924529
Anon, "to the men" in the west isn't adressing a supposed audience, it's explaining what is known about the cathayan dragons in the old world.

>>95925057
Pretty sure that's their point. The stuff the people in the Empire hear about Cathay isn't likely to be true. From that point of view i'd say it's basically humans in the empire acting like other humans are way beyond the elves and dwarves because they know they certainly aren't. Basically 'The Grass is always greener on the other side' but at a cultural level.

>>95924074
mix of fire forge zombie peasents, warriors, wargames atlantic zombies, random gw heads, and a few other things

Huh.... completely forgot about it but it looks like the Match play book is sold out in the US but not the UK.

>>95924834
>To further aid the nation's defence, the artificers of Grand
Cathay turned their ingenuity to the creation of many great
machines of war, whilst alchemists worked to concoct a means
to power them. To this end, the Cathayans discovered the
secrets of black powder before even the Dwarfs of the Worlds
Edge Mountains. Indeed, and though no Dwarf would admit
it, black powder made in Grand Cathay is considered the
finest in all the known world.
Arcane Journal, page 10

Going to model my shugugu whatever they're called as an imperial man since Miao Ying canonically only fucks imperial men who remind her of sigmar

>>95925137
>concoct a means to power them
The balloon is literally just a bird in a cage
The Sentinels have Warpstone infused in them
The ammo for their canon is literally just a big rock compared to dwarven rounds being made of metal.

>>95925137
It's real. Holy shit GW are such Chinese cock guzzlers

>>95924971
>gallic themed ogre army
holy fucking based

>>95924382
That's quite the /mydudes/ fluff I would expect from a 16yo

>>95925044
You can't stop people from min-maxing, outside of decency. From video games to DnD, you just hope they just play the damn game, and its worse for TOW because it's naturally competitive.

>>95925202
Sadly I'm not that much into conversion, I might get resin to add some helmet and print gallic-like shield for my mournfag cavalry. I do plan to replace the sabretooth by boars, to keep with the theme.

But in the end, most of my customization end up being painting the ogre with celtic skin tones and hairs, and trying to paint braccae. I think it fit the army better than the "mongol" thematic.

>>95925222
13 year old at most. Cathay lore is genuinely embarrassing.

>>95922639 (OP)
Beastmen were so cool. AAAAAAUUUUUUGH! HOW DID SHIT GET SO GAY??????

>>95924250
How is this goofy ass shit any less cartoony than Cathay?

>>95925284
Are you intentionally acting retarded?

>>95925186
Black Powder is a real life proplellant and the Chinese DID invent gunpowder in Real Life.

>>95925223
How many actual games do you have?
In my 20 or so games this year between 8 people no one's been a min maxer. Modt batreps i see online and here are mostly the same. Considering this is a game for boomers with 8th ed armies I'm just not seeing it and if I'm guessing correctly you are the same retard who claimed this before and other anons pointed out your meta is shit (if not fake and gay) compared to most.

>>95925294
No they didn't that claim was first made in the 1970's with 0 actual evidence to back it up.

>>95925292
Are you? How is goofy faggot in space marine armor covered in skulls and eyes any better than goofy faggot in samurai armor with a korean rope helmet?

>>95925301
Ok you are acting retarded. Got it.

>>95925307
Are you this anon >>95924684 ?

>>95925332

>Yet such interventions proved futile and, with the Ogre Tribes growing ever bolder in their attacks upon Grand Cathay, the Celestial Dragon turned to his Astromancers to drive the invaders from his lands. To this end, a great meteorite of purest warpstone was pulled down from the heavens by the magic of the Celestial Court. With the meteorite's impact, thousands of miles of rolling tundra beyond Cathay's western border were turned into an inhospitable wasteland, the very air turned deadly with warpstone dust. Where the meteorite struck, a colossal fang-filled maw opened within the earth, the waves of anguish and hunger emanating from it driving those Ogres not slain by the calamity westwards. Though the westernmost reaches of Cathay were preserved, the great migration of Ogres into the Mountains of Mourn was to prove the final doom of the Sky Titans.

>>95925349
New lore was that the dragon emp begged the ogres not to be gluttonous and greedy or they would awake something evil, and through their own desire to consume they birthed the great maw, which xen yang heroically contained to the smallest possible area he could, while providing the ogres with monetary and material aid so they could migrate to the mountains and live in harmony. Then the next day he invented gunpowder.

I didn’t realise that some of these legs had armour on them before I started painting reeee my autism is triggered

>>95925394
Thin your paints.

>>95923647
>>95923229
its a long quote

>>95922678
How? I ordered mine the minute they went live and i haven't gotten a shipping notice

>>95924299
Said merchant has now raised the Battalion Box price from $185 MSRP to $203.50. Are they allowed to do that?

wait, do people really think there are no black people in china?

>>95925453
I mean buying from The Warp UK is still cheaper even with having to ship from the UK..... by like $50, only 2 of those left though i think

>>95925453
Yeah, I'll wait.

>>95925460
That reminds me.
After the revolution my government did the stupid thing and listened to the usa and we expelled the Chinese and their families. Now, most of these men and women(primarily the men) had already married locals so a bunch of Mexicans were forced out of Mexico and into China.
When people realized how fucking stupid and self destructive the whole thing was, it took years to repair the relationship and get some of the paisas back.
I think they ended up mostly in Gui Lin (I'm probably writing it wrong).

>>95925428
I wouldn't be surprised if Khemri survivors from either Nagash's reign or survivors from Alcadizaar's Khemri were given asylum in Cathay, much like how in real life when the Muslim Caliphate conqured Persia.

>>95925460
the CCP didnt even want the black guy in the starwars poster. I think they also took tchalla out of the marvel avengers poster

>>95925513
>I think they also took tchalla out of the marvel avengers poster
No, they covered his face with an ugly rubber mask. Which is weird because they could've just used the actual Black Panther mask.

>>95925513
And yet the ccp reaction to Chinese guys complaining about African men going to live in China and taking their women was to tell them to shut up.

>>95925460
What does "No black people in China" have to do with Warhammer Fantasy/The Old World?

>>95925598
Anons flipping out over Cathay not being given the Empire treatment.

Damn they went hard on the shots for the battalion box. Most effort I have seen them do on a product page on their website.

>>95925614
Dabbing on the people that didn't put in their pre-order within 5 minutes before it sold out.

>>95925513
The CCP also brainwash grade school kids to hate the Japanese, I think most of them are just pretending to fit in the same way how pre-2024 Americans were told to bend the knee to DEI and LGBTQ+ or be outright cancelled and ostracised by society.

>>95925609
They can give Cathay "Brown People," China did have a lot of them in real life.

>>95925636
>teaching history is brainwashing
There's a reason no one in East Asia likes Japan.

>>95925598
>we look to historical information to make cathay gud and not offensive to chinese
>lel there were blacks in holy roman empire

>>95925645
and yet every model and art work they painted has fair skin or slightly tanned fair skin

>>95925428
Is anything from left official GW stuff in a printed Fantasy book or is all C7/AoS/community articles?

>>95925660
So what's stopping other people from painting them Brown or Black?

>>95925669
The black priest is from the Empire AJ

>>95925669
The empire model with the gun was in an AoS cities of shitmar book

>>95925682
Herr Göttfried hails from Sudenberg, he preaches His holy word with a two-handed warhammer.

>>95925673
the official paint scheme is what matters. people can paint their orcs blue but everyone knows orcs are supposed to be green because the official art is green

>>95925696
>the guys annoyed I painted Kruleboyz black in /aosg/
Learned about the bell meme that day.

>>95925598
People are claiming that they did Cathay right to Chinese history ( they absolutely didn't, but that's another argument) by giving them yellow ugly bugmen, when China, especially ancient china ( which im led to believe that was the direction cathay was directed towards) was a fucking melting pot of cultures, and backgrounds, both your poster bugman, and one that's melanin enriched. Now Im not saying there were Africans there, but there were in fact Chinese men of a darker complexions. Especially the indigenous populations that used to be in China before, well, you know.

>>95925669
>>95925682
its ogre

>>95925698
>he bought fake aos orcs
lel

>>95925716
They were a fun painting project.

>>95925705
He's not black he's soot stained from standing by the steam tank while it fires

>>95925705
Why is that orc bleeding oil?

>>95925748
Censorship. The arcane journal is rated pg-13.

>>95925748
they cant show blood in china at the age the game is rated for

>>95923566
>>95923584
>>95923996
>>95925614
GW must find this very suprising seeing the Cathay Battallion box sold out in NA. The stereotype goes is North Americans (Americans in paticular) think that Warhammer 40k is the entire Miniature Wargaming market.

Were people paying this much attention to sales back when chaos warriors and elves released?

>>95925774
desu, that depend how much stock they assigned to NA right ?

>>95925784
Chaos warriors and elves are legacy armies just getting re-released so some people would have already had an army ready. This is a whole new range which means a good way to gauge actual interest since if you want to play them you have to buy them new.

Is it really just FOMO leading to these dice being sold out? They don't seem that great to me.

>>95925790
They still had tons of things being sold out for a long time.

>>95925795
They only produce like 6 of them, so it’s not really a matter of craze exactly. I’m sure baron will make better ones

>>95925795
>Is it really just FOMO leading to these dice being sold out?
Cathay is just popular. Beasts dice is still available and they are just as limited ( and look better imo )

>>95925795
A little bit. Normally doesn't happen so suddenly for any other faction or game. There are many anons and normies just buying Cathay shit even if they don't care for TT.

>>95925795
I'd only pay GW's ridiculous prices for them if they glowed in the dark.

>>95922639 (OP)
>TQ
Got my ye olde cockatrice based and raedy to prime

>>95925948
Too kino of an idea for GW

>>95925968
I think one of their earlier AoS dice sets did that.

anyone know of any sculptors who have done good Warriors of Chaos stls?

So, with how big the sky lantern is, do you guys think they'll eventually release an even bigger sky junk?

>>95926055
God I hope not.

>>95926055
yes, but it's going to be the Thunder Barge for dwarves instead.

I demand the release of Lizardmen and/or Vampire Count and/or Kislev NOW

>>95925795
I don't get why official dice are so fucking expensive. I can get 36 chessex dice for like 11$ AUD. 77 AUD for 20 dice is ludicrous, I don't care if one of them is a scatter and one is Artillery. I do like the d6 art they use but not that much

They should add Araby next, i think that would be epic.

I would play them too.

Imagine playing this game and not playing with infantry blocks like god intented

>>95926119
which god

>>95926113
>Araby
>Ind
>Dogs of War
>Kislev
>Hobgoblins
>Karak Zorn Dwarfs
>Southern Hemisphere beastmen
>Nippon
>Amazons
>New World colonies
Surely GW won't just blow up the world again before expanding while complaining about being boxed right?

>>95926129
>more humans

>>95926133
Works for MESBG.

>>95926137
And that game is great prob one of my favorites.

>>95926129
Blowing up Fantasy was a final terrible Fuck You from Kirby before he was ousted from the company. If it's any consolation. He only made 2 million off his shares, he didn't hold and they would be worth about 30 million today.

>>95926129
All this but no Khuresh or Fishmen

>>95926129
It would be kind of nice to see them bring a few of those to the game as mercenary groups under the Dogs of war..... if they do well in that capacity add some more till eventually they have enough models to justify having an army.

>>95926137
Does it really

>>95926212
Yes. Every nation is very visually distinct and plays very differently.
Except Dunland. For Dunland the strategy is "play Army of the White Hand instead so you can get Saruman and Uruk-hai and break at 66%".

>>95926244
Dunlandbros.....

>>95926129
Vampire Counts, Ogres, and Dark Elves before any of that shit please

>>95926248
They kept the fucking favor of the chieftains on huscarls. Why?
Wildmen have spears now, the dumb hoops to jump through for F4 make even less sense.

>>95926254
Their fight value still fucking sucks lmao

How do you explain this to your boss at the LSG?

How do you explain this to your boss at the LGS?

>>95926496
Link the store please

>>95926499
They fixed it hours ago. I'm sure at least a few got sold at that price, though.

>>95926129
Id like to see this rolled into dogs of war, a single unit maybe two from each locale. I just don't think there's enough meat to make them standalone

Not sure if a local scene even exists, but this box has been tempting me for months now. Should I drop $157 on it?

Karl, did I ever tell you about Miao Ying? She was Sigmar’s exotic dragon ally, a fine piece of ass from a more civilized age. She had the tightest body and the perkiest breasts in the entirety of the old world. And she was a good friend.

a first real look at a whole army lined up.

balloon is fucking HUGE. lordma is also bigger than i thought he was. that sentinel next to the lantern is mega gargant size, and the lantern dwarfs it. jeez

>>95926589
If you want to get into dwarfs yes, very good deal.

>>95926598
I need to see the second arcane journal before I drop money when this gets restocked. I’m not getting into a micro faction.

>>95926589
its......rough.

financially its a decent value and will get you started in the game quickly, but having just built and painted it, i have to say, the dwarf warrior and quarrelers are VERY dated, they have titanic mold slips across the helmets which require heavy knifework to correct, the torso bits line up terribly and leave huge gaps, there are weird flat draft angles on the cloaks just sort of blending them into the legs and chain mail, the warriors and quarrelers each only have like 4 bodies with 6 heads and you just get like 8 of each sprue. one nice feature though is that the torsos and faces are pretty much interchangable between the two kits. just be aware that if you want two handed gun/crossbow poses, only a few of the quarreler bodies have the correct arm positions for it, as the arms for that pose are moulded into the body

copters look good, a bit fiddly to build. im not personally a fan of copter gameplay but given the armies complete lack of cavalry they kind of depend on them.

i would really recommend getting a box of hammerers and/or irondrakes alongside the battalion, as that will give you spare shields, weapons, arms, banners and so on from those kits to spruce up your models with a bit more flair.

the box gives you a ton of dudes so it is a good way to quickly bulk out a force, but the units in it arent really the star units for dwarfs (without converting) and the infantry kits are definitely showing their age

i dont regret getting it, but you'll need to put in some elbow grease to get them to look good.

2k game bret vs o&g

We played using the special features objectives in the leaked matched play book.

My list, brets, was centered around a 15 man lance with bsb, duke and damsel (illusion, familiar, and sword of stout hearted). I also had a baron on griff with monster slayer virtue. Also pegs, grails, questing, bowmen, 25 men at arms.

His list was blorc on wyvern + ng lvl4 and then a spread of units, boys, blorcs, hoppers, trolls, a giant, boars, ng archers.

>>95926598
>sentinel is biggest giant sized
>$100 cheaper

>>95926614
the fact that they made the dragon form rules generic and apply to any cathay dragon is a giant flashing neon sign saying "more cathay in the near future, including another dragon"

given how quickly this one sold out, you can bet they are full steam ahead. i would wager 6 months max until we hear about a wave 2 (not counting the split wave 1 with miao)

>>95926646
age of sigmar prices have become wildly inflated. i mean shit, the ironjawz are now trying to sell you 3 naked brutes on 40mm bases for $60. brutes used to be $45 for 5 when i got into aos and even that was a bit pricey. the mega gargants started at $170 and they're now up to $215. number go up graph is going vertical

>>95926648
If we’re expecting a wave 2 that soon it must be in resin. Not that I care, I’d probably just proxy or kitbash generic stuff anyways.

>>95926646
They realized how awful that model was to assemble and had to compensate

>>95926055
No, besides this is the superior design for the sky junk

>>95926660
I should grab an Alarielle before she breaches $200.

>>95926643
The result was that I fully wiped his army, chasing his general off the board in the final turn. Despite that, the game hung in the balance for most of the time.

>>95926678
what makes it so awful to assemble?

>>95926643
>>95926710
Based

>>95926713
It’s needlessly complex, some parts are a literal puzzle to figure out how to click in, and it’s going to take you 3 hours at least to build the entire thing.

you know with all these new cathay players we could just put together a cathay only romance of the three kingdoms narrative campaign lol

>>95926648
>(not counting the split wave 1 with miao)
miao is coming directly with the second arcane journal, it's safe to think the second half of the army will release alongside it, also because they can have a perfect 50/50 split of kits

>wave 1:
>longma
>general
>lantern with magistrate
>sentinel
>warriors
>lancers
>cannon/rockets

>wave2:
>miao ying
>zhao ming
>crowmen
>paesants
>temple dog
>crane gunners/hail gunners
>drum/compass with astromancer

plus I bet they will add a sprue of crossbows to the jade warriors kit once that's released as a standalone kit, either fully in addition to the rest of the kit, or splitting the box in two offers online like they did with the bretonnian pegasus

>>95926731
Which anon gets to be Wei?

>>95926718
interesting. so it seems the lantern is easier to assemble.

>>95926055
who could even afford the fucking thing, the sky lantern is already exorbitantly expensive for what it is.

>>95926713
150 of mostly very fiddly bits with unclear or straight up incorrect instructions

it's going to cause an awful lot of problems and turn off people from the kit or faction or game altogether, if they got into it via cathay

>>95926731
That could be fun if complicated.

>>95926752
>>95926713
>>95926678
>planned on getting my sentinel(s?) when Miao dropped
aiiee, not like this

oh snap, miao big

>>95926776
it's incredibly dumb too because the kit has only very minimal options, it's practically monopose except for the orientation of the head and whether you build it with the left arm up and right arm down, or right arm up and left arm down, in both cases both hands are on the glaive

>>95926793
hopefully zhao ming is in a more coiled pose

>>95926793
I simply just love that banner

>>95926808
is the design on that banner part of the model or did they freehand that?

>>95926802
that looks very straightforward. unironic skill issue

>>95926802
the giant kit is what, 15 years old and they figured out how to make hollow bodies back then lmao.

>>95926646
The megagargant kit used to be cheaper once, and now comes with 4 and half sprues for a total of 5 build options
the sentinel comes with 2 and a half, and they can and will totally treat it like the imperial knight and megagargant kits and add more sprues of options to periodically bump the price

saaytan's loadout for a sentinel general is a candidate for another sprue of parts for it

>>95926828
>saaytan's loadout for a sentinel general is a candidate for another sprue of parts for it
as would be bits to have it look like this, with robe and wheel and meditative pose

>>95926819
>that looks very straightforward
then you've not looked hard enough

literally everyone who's reviewing this kit is highlighting that assembling it is a mess, and these are unironic shills that have assembled bigger and more fiddly stuff

I have to cringe at all the retards on r*ddit who keep saying Vampire Coast are going to be added soon. Sorry cuck but your Disney inspired (literally, btw) meme faction aren't going to be added just because it exists in TWW.

>>95926851
I'd rather pirate vampires than this abomination of a gook Age of Sigmar army claiming to be WFB

>>95926851
Anon...

>>95926851
all the best stuff were inspired by some other movie of IP

jurassic park, terminator, aliens, predator, lord of the rings, judge dredd, robocop, dune, elric of melnibone, mad max, the dark crystal, the mummy, and more

>>95926851
Having generic pirate models would beat having exclusively undead pirates, but undead pirates would definitely be cool too on the side of that.
A sartosan subfaction for dogs of war could likely integrate both, instead of needing to make it JUST the fanggot of the vampire coast.

>>95926860
I would too desu but Vampire Coast as a faction would still be a shit addition to the game. As an AoI within a relaunched VC maybe but anything else than that is just stupid. And again, I don't know why so many people seem convinced that it's going to happen.
>>95926873
what?
>>95926881
WHF was inspired by the LOTR books (and history), not movies.

>>95926886
>WHF was inspired by the LOTR books (and history), not movies.
It was meant to read "movies or IP", but if you applied a little bit you could have reached that.

>>95926860
damn, seethe harder fag

>>95926893
There's nothing wrong with being inspired by another IP. Trying to cash in on the hype of a Disney movie is pretty low bar, though, and Vampire Coast deservedly got nothing more than a throwaway page in a White Dwarf article after its release. Not a real faction in Warhammer Fantasy Battles.

>>95926816
both the freehand and different parts of the design, specifically the lantern

>>95926907
>Not a real faction in Warhammer Fantasy Battles.
Neither was cathay, yet here we are

>>95926113
you can kiss araby goodbye

Hopefully WGA release their Warring States Chinese so I can scratch that middle kingdom itch.

>>95926113
There are not enough sensitivity teams in the world to make araby work.

>>95926917
Those are Mordheim miniatures. Cathay is a bad addition to the game.

>>95926926
>that middle kingdom itch.
you should get that checked by a good physician

>>95926851
would be nice to have rules for my guys though would have to get some base adapters. I don't think they would be as popular as people might think though,

>>95926937
>Those are Mordheim miniatures
No, they aren't, mordheim was already dead at the time these were made.

>>95926937
cathay is the best addition to the game.

>>95926969
>+5 sociar cledits

>>95926969
You'll need to explain why. Is it their likeness to Age of Sigmar miniatures? Is it their stupidly OP stats? Is it their generic, CCP approved lore?

>>95926984
he likes azn girls

>>95926984
>only plastic 1/56 Renaissance Chinese figures on the market(WGA has 20th century boxers)
>cute girls
>figures look really damn good
Also I like having a place not be shit other than Ulthuan.

>>95926988
Me too. I am surprised they made Miao Ying look as good as she does in her human form

>>95927003
So they're the best addition to Warhammer Fantasy because you personally want 28mm historical looking Chinese figures and think Miao Ying is "cute". If those are your grounds for something being a high quality addition to the world of Warhammer Fantasy I don't know what to tell you. I like a bit more nuance and substance to my games.

>>95927015
Find another game then?

>>95927025
No?

>>95922999
He's a literal shill who is cherry picked to get access early.

>>95927025
You should, because clearly you don't like warhammer fantasy, you only like this extraneous tumor grown for the chinese market and deprived of the elements that make warhammer into warhammer.

>>95927003
>figures look really damn good
You are mentally ill. I mean that sincerely.

Got the journal for Beastmen finally, but something feels off

>>95927009
is Magnus gonna hit that?

>>95927003
>Also I like having a place not be shit other than Ulthuan.
Maybe warhammer is simply not for you then.

>>95927015
>because they fit my niche needs
Pretty much.
Hopefully their smashing success means other people will now do period Chinese or even better get the Perrys to start making their Joseon Koreans in plastic.

>>95927055
if anything it's got good artworks and some dense fluff.

>>95926926
They should come out 5 years ago

>>95926851
at this point a million print designers have already done vampire coast sets, the only thing stopping you from playing them is a lack of effort on your part.

>>95927037
You could just be up front and say you hate China. You've been beating around the bush the last 3 threads.

>>95927058
Sigmar had first dibs.

>>95927086
Plastics are better and so are official rules.

>>95927093
Immortal dragon lady, everyone gets a turn eventually.

>>95927093
>You could just be up front and say you hate China.
Why would I? that's not true nor the point, the point is that this cathay is not warhammer, has heen explicitly not made to fit warhammer and is evidently made to fit the sensibilities of a different hypothetical marker and consumers.

It's not a surprise that the people who like warhammer criticise how cathay has been done, while the people who like cathay end up attacking everything else about warhammer, like you did.

Go play a different game with a different setting, you obviously don't like warhammer.

>>95927095
hence why I used plastics, though to be fair the TK rules are perfectly serviceable for VC apart from the much more expanded total war roster and obviously there's more ranged spread around like on deck droppers.

>>95927114
Autism

>>95927095
FAGGOT

>Cathay is not warhammer
this cope and seethe is hilarious

>>95927084
I seriously don't get the delay. First the Boxers were delayed for several years now it's been half a decade since the sculptor made design notes videos about the historical accuracy of the sculpts and his sources and how they may be represented in the gaming table.

>>95927114
Accurate.

>>95927127
Explain how the Cathay we've seen fits Warhammer Fantasy

finished repainting my leadbelchers

>>95927134
>>95927114
Stop samefagging.

Your whole posts

>I HATE CATHAY
>BECAUSE I DONT LIKE IT, ITS NOT REAL WARHAMMER
>IF YOU DISAGREE YOU HATE WARHAMMER

Curb your autism and go outside for once.

>>95927146
Multiple people can disagree with you without it being a conspiracy. Feel free to kill yourself if that's too hard to process.

>>95927140
It was made by Games Workshop and isn't wildly thematically different given its aims.

>>95927154
Ah there it is. Ok I will tell you it in a language you understand.

Shut the fuck up you retarded cunt and derail another thread.

>>95926599
>>95926633
Thank for the input, Anons.Sorry it took me so long to reply.

>>95927163
>how to spot paid shill

>see that incredibly popular army that sold out in literal minutes?
>only people paid to have interest could like it
Only elven wenches can comfort me in these troubling times.

>>95927163
If you want a hugbox for your shit AoS models, go onions out on Reddit or Twitter. People not giving you a reacharound on your putrid opinions isn't derailing anything.

>>95927171
t. Burger buzzwords

>>95927184
Are you retarded or just autistic?

It's just you shitposting about Cathay and if people disagree, you sperg out. People like it, you don't.

>>95927189
>he thinks there's only one anon in this thread who dislikes Cathay
nta btw

>>95927198
Not liking Cathay is fine but it's the same repetitious shit from the other anon. Big words, long posts which is just the same complaints.

>I DON'T LIKE IT! I AM RIGHT! IT'S NOT REAL WARHAMMER

It's not discussion, it's shitposting.

>>95927208
cry about it more

>>95927161
>and isn't wildly thematically different given its aims.
It is wildly thematically different, the rest of the setting is gritty and flawed, with internal conflicts and with old nations long past their moment of glory.

>>95927146
You stop samefagging.

And you have made it abundantly clear that you don't like warhammer, because the things you like about cathay are specifically the ones that make it not just different, but ill-fitting in warhammer.

>>95927208
>which is just the same complaints.
which you have failed to recap either Because you're too retarded or too dishonest to even acknowledge them.

>>95927208
>Big words, long posts
Try reading them, you might understand why people have reasons to criticise cathay.

so whats the Kislev roster going to look like based on Cathay? I'd guess:
>Kislev Boyar on great war bear
>Ice Witch Kit
>Kislev Ataman on foot or mounted BSB kit
>Kislev Batallion
30 Kossars with shortbows or sword and shield.
10 Winged Hussars
2 Bear Sleds with Little Grom option
>War Bear cavalry
>Elemental Bear

>>95927277
Back in 6th Ed I wanted nothing more than Kislev to be a full fledged army. Now the thought terrifies me

>WAR hammer

>the history of this faction is about making friends with nehekara and then the empire and being always in harmony
>ogres? no need for a war, just throw a comet at them, why is it made of warpstone? who cares!
>disgust towards elves and dwarfs for slaughtering or "enslaving" dragons? no need for war, just leave them be and then trade as if nothing happened
>kuresh? ind? nippon? khanates? irrelevant background noise that will never be explored anyway

>>95927277
>based on Cathay?
it depends on how many kits cathay actually ends up having, if it stays at around 8-10 or pushes to 14

by the way, I seriously hope they don't waste a kit on the giant elemental bear, it's the worst design they churned out for kislev in total war and there's much else to cover in terms of infantry and cavalry units, not all factions need this centerpiece mania, cathay has more centerpieces than normal units, surely that's enough for the time being

>>95927254
>>95927260
>>95927270
>says someone samefagging
>samefags

Mad

>>95927285
I'm the same about Cathay, read their entry in the 7th rulebook and dreamed of getting them one day. It's a monkeys paw situation but doesn't mean you can't make the best of it, nothing wrong with the models really and you can headcanon lore or avoid units you don't like. None of the lore for TOW has been exactly stellar either, so it's not like you are missing out on much in that respect.

>>95927277
I have a feeling Kislev may suffer from overtuning like Cathay. Range wise, mostly from TOW.

Honest question: Can actual tactics and deployment play a major part in TOW battles such as flanking or is it predominantly determined by army composition leaning the game towards higher probability of winning.

>>95927312
I'd expect Kislevs overtuning to be for the cavalry, getting crazy charge bonuses and such. They don't have much range to play around with in the first place, shortbows have to be very cheap to be good, a hybrid unit like strelski will be too pricy to be gunline viable and big grom is only ever going to be a rare and expensive choice. I guss bear sleds could be a nuisance but nothing on the level of the sky lanterns. They'll probably even have impetuous or something.

>>95927331
Well we speculated sky lanterns would be glass cannony or the Longma to be squishy, yet look what we got.

I do think Kislev cavalry will be overtuned though too if anything, especially if the double infantry rank fighting proves true. I just hope it's not quite to the obscene level of Cathay.

>>95927328
with RNG based mechanics army comp as you say improves the probability of winning but if you are far worse at tactics than the opponent that advantage will be diminished. Of two players of equal skill the one with better army comp will always win though yes.

>>95927141
Looks nice.

>>95927277
this is my ideal wishlist that tries to cope with stuff on total war
>hero on great bear
>cavalry hero + foot hero and banner
>armored kossars (shields) / streltsi
>light kossars (bows) / warband (melee)
>ice guard
>ungol horse archers
>winged lancers / griffon legion
>bear cavalry (2-4 models)
>little grom*
>war sled (horses) / war sled (bears)*
>simple elemental bear + witch on foot / witch on palanquin on fancier elemental bear

*two separate boxes, but share the main sprue for the body of the sled and the bears pulling it

Bear cavalry is so fucking retarded

>>95927353
Unfortunate. I know it is a strategy game with different unit strengths so balamce is near impossible but would have been cool if a solid strategy and tactics could somewhat compensate for a weaker list.

A bit off tune but Hannibal's battle of Cannae comes to mind. Out numbered and lesser troops still beat the superior Roman army primarily due to both Roman's breaking of their formation and a clever strategic monouver

So is Sotek just another ancient dragon fucking around like Xen Yang?

>>95927277
>Kossars
they've kinda changed how they look

>>95927379
>Scoped crossbow.

How would you feel about mounted archers being added to warriors of chaos?

>>95927391
I don't give a shit about balance. It would make sense given all the steppe tribes that would probably join any major invasion.

>>95927391
Don't they mechanically sort of have that with javelin marauder horsemen?

I'm surprised to not see a lot of Reddit reactions; instead there's plenty of responses on the Total War forum.

https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/forums/8-general-discussion/threads/10257-some-leaked-cathay-lore-in-the-arcane-journal?page=1

>>95927419
About Miao Ying x Sigmar*
(forgot to specify)

>>95927419
Reddit has both too much and too little activity. As erraric as /tg/ threads are, it is, ironically, easier to follow here than the quadrillion threads on reddit. You have fluff, rule queries, arguing and generic chat all splatted into several dozen threads.

>>95927374
in an rng game the only way you'll reach enough balance that tactics have a bigger say in deciding the victor is with few rules interactions with very little variation between all factions like with Warmaster. TOWs biggest failing though is not designing every unit with a rank and flank system in mind, hence why cavalry just removes the ability of infantry to attack in the front when the interaction should be that cavalry wants to charge flanks and hence it's greater movement allows it to do so rather than my cavalry unit guaranteed charges and beats your infantry the end.

>>95927442
That is supposedly changing with both outnumber bonus and supporting attacks in second rank, on top of +1 armour for HW + shield, so at least its in the right direction.

Also is that not realistic? Cavalry slamming into the front of infantry tended to mince infantry barring the most exceptiobal.

>>95927442
I liked Warmaster with what little I played, but preferred the more personal scale of standard fantasy. Challenges or certain units doing well. Also the minis are crazy small. Would have chopstick claw grip for the rest of my life.

>>95927374
Hannibal's troops at Cannae weren't lesser troops though. It is precisely because they were seasoned and had over a year of intense campaigning under their belts that they were able to perform the yielding ground maneuver without breaking. If anything romans were the 'lesser troops' despite their numbers, we have evidence of them being deployed in much deeper formations hoping to simply smash through the enemy with their weight.

>>95927277
>so whats the Kislev roster going to look like
Bears, bears, bears, and more bears.
The Chrace of eastern !Europe.

>>95927477
By suoerior I mean the Romans, overall had better equipmemt and on-paper training. Hannibal's were hardened veterans yes, but to compare the equipment of both armies, you'd give it to the Romans. Also I assumed the bum rush of the Romans was the overeagerness for a quick victory than incompetence or poor tactics.

>>95926793
>the dragon has hair
Why?

>>95927507
>the dragon has hair
Because eastern dragons arent western dragons. Modern fantasy has settled on the typical DnD style dragons, but they used to be described much more varied

>>95927524
>posts dragon that doesn't have hair

>>95927377
No, sotek is a serpent, not a dragon, and a god, not a mortal being.

The lustria supplement suggests there are two more big entities caged under the volcanoes where sotek also happened to emerge, perhaps it was also one such entity from time immemorial and the skinks more or less adopted, empowered and liberated it.

But the fact lord kroak worshipped sotek long before its appearance, and that the snake was recounted on human myths regarding the great catastrophe on stones in the old world, suggests that sotek might not have been just something old, but somehow tied with the old ones and their plan, somehow.

But it certainly wasn't a dragon, closest thing to those in lustria are the coatls, but it's debatable if they're related phylogenetically

>>95927530
Nta but are you willfully ignoring the wolf head with fur and the wings with feathers?

>>95927530
>posts dragon that doesn't have hair
the fucking deviant art shit I had to sift trough to find somewhat hairy dragons that I can post here

>>95927507
because dragons can have hair, they're not just winged lizards

>>95927419
Redditors know the lore so aren't interested in some secondary coomer fantasy.

>>95927507
Adds more textures, spot colours and parallels with the human form, as well as conveying the eastern dragon design, which were more akin to serpentine tigers than long crocodiles, at times.

>>95927391
Shooting's fer sissies.

>>95927562
>Redditors know the lore
>Redditors aren't secondaries
>Redditors aren't into coomer fantasies

How long will this blatant power creep last?

>>95927507
sometimes they do

>>95927577
I hope not long. If there is one 100% legit criticism of cathay, it is a very clear incident of power creep.

>>95927562
The amount of porn specific reddits begs to differ. I'd go as far as to say reddit is significantly worse in fact.

>>95926718
>>95926752
Have none of you people ever assembled a Master Grade Gunpla before???

>>95927391
Javelins allow them to look more brutal and stronger, I'd give bows to less standard parts of the army, like chaos centaurs.

Same shit, different skin, not core.

>>95927577
when FW can finally let that old model represent a normal chaos dragon and bring back from the depths of the archives the real galrauch

>>95927593
>implying there aren't other 100% legit criticisms

>>95927577
galrauch stomps miao in a 1v1 and arguably has better utility.

>>95927577
>A $85 Dragon vs a $150-$200 dragon.

Keep telling yourself that Pay 2 Win doesn't exist.

>>95927606
the mold for the FW Galruach got sold to a collector or something so that why it wasn't brought back

>>95927629
Surely, they can simply buy a recast, remaster it and use it for a new mould.

>>95927646
>>95927646
>>95927646

>>95927618
>galrauch stomps miao in a 1v1 and arguably has better utility.

>>95922639 (OP)
I'm so glad beastmen are back I thought GW cucked them. The forgotten children of chaos retuned!!!!

>>95927419
>At the time Sigmar founded his empire, Miao Ying had already journeyed to the Empire. She met with Sigmar himself, and Sigmar left a profound impact upon her.


So who is going to write the fanfic?

>>95927562
Seriously? I don't hate redditors as much as some people but besides ifunny almost all that weird coomer bs comes from the reddit

>>95924427
>nuln-themed
>look inside
>von Carstein black and red
They didn't even get the livery right.