old school cool edition
previous heresy >>95916203
>HH 3.0 Leaks
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>New Edition Soon™
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>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
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>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
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>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
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>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
>TQ if there was one unit that had to be removed from your legion, which one would it be (sol aux and custodes get to pick one)

Will you be starting a new army for the new edition? Which legion if yes?

>>95923698 (OP)
>TQ
Heavy support squad
I barely use them

>>95923711
if i find a decent scheme, maybe iron hands, maybe. or thousand sons

>>95923716
i was thinking of legion specific units, but do specify your legion each tume pls

>>95923711
High five!

>>95923698 (OP)
>TQ if there was one unit that had to be removed from your legion, which one would it be
Contekar terminators. They really dont serve a purpose "narratively" when atramentar already existed as the designated elite terminators for NL. Mechanically they also dont have much of a point, another melee unit good at killing power armor? Wow!

>>95923732
Well, I play a bunch of legions,my first one was Night Lords and with them? Well in current 2.0 state, pretty much all of them except Night Raptors are extremely meh,ranging from meh to terrible
>>95923711
Given how vehicles are far more tougher this time around,it would means Iron Hands might actually be worthwhile for me, not just from using vehicles but also from their special weapons which will be better and also far less niche with more vehicles running around

>>95923711
I'm gonna use the chaos knight legs to make a bitchin' freeblade and then I'll have enough knights to run them solo, assuming they drop the lame-ass 2 armiger tax.

>>95923711
Thinking about Mechanicum. Hoping GW releases some more Dark Mech units. Otherwise, getting as many Thanatoses as I can.

>>95923698 (OP)
>TQ
Iron Havocs are the most redundant, and I can just play mine as an HSS anyways.

>>95923698 (OP)
>TQ
Grey Slayers. Anything they do, Stalkers can do as well.

>>95923781
Fingers crossed FW spent more than 2 seconds trying to give mechanicum ar least some internal balance and more variety,unlike in 2.0

>>95923820
FW ? What FW ? They have been gone for years. Which is precisely why 2.0 was worse than 1.0 and 3.0 will be suck-ass-edition.

>>95923711
TrueScale Custodes (5 cm)

>>95923711
Probably going to finish up my SoH finally with a tank or two, and then move on to building militia

>>95923802
Sometimes it's hard to imagine/remember the 1.0 IW LA trait was immunity to ranged casualties (and better bombs) instead of +1S vs vehicles and other metal things.
S8 Tyrant missiles would hardly have dented a LR's AV14 without the current 2.0 bonus.
At least that's why I don't steal Tyrants as AL. Can't use them to the same effect.

>>95923711
Yes and Sons of Horus.

>>95924055
1.0 legion traits were generally far more balanced AND fluffy desu.

IW 2.0 trait is a particularly bad example of balance wackiness

>>95923711
Depends on legion traits and lost building stuff.
I had plans to start an IW army, but never got to it. If that still looks good, sure. If it doesn't, I'll start building some Titanicus. I have friends that play, and really like it, so I don't need to worry about it being dead.

>>95923698 (OP)
>TQ
>RG
If i had to? Dark Furies. Just use the models as a command squad. I do like furies, they're good, it's just so binary.

>>95923711
I'm expanding my TS. Going to be tac spam, jet bikes, and termis.

>>95923698 (OP)

>>95923711
Unironically custodes. Hopefully the new shit is good.

>>95924153
I like to think 1.0 traits were the Traitor traits, and 2.0 the Loyalist ones. The whole "extra power even if it costs a debuff somewhere" mechanic.
Except the Salamanders. No Init on sweeps ouch

>>95924184
>Everything is WS 6
>Everything is fist resistant
>Dreads hit on 2s.

nice

>>95923802
>Most redundant
We've got 3 HQs that are somehow shittier than the vanilla versions though

I'm almost done with Era of Ruin now, I've only the ADB left to get through and then that's it, but so far it reads like half the writers collect White Scars. I mean they really, really seem to love White Scars.

>>95924699
welcome to the mongol millennium

>>95924699
The writers in question:

>>95924699
I mean, after terra who else is available given the blood angels are going insane and the fists are committing seppuku by cage over their failure to defend the emperor. Have the ultramarines showed up yet?

>>95924784
Do you think IF wear chastity cages as penance?

>>95924699
>ctrl+f iron hand
>0 results
>ctrl+f x legion
>0 results
>ctrl+f ferrus
>0 results
>ctrl+f gorgon
>0 results
>ctrl+f medusa
>0 results
Lads I have a suspicion the writers don't collect Iron Hands.

>friend basically gave me a real FW Falchion with all the paperwork
>only marine army is jump assault based night lords
should I start an armored company or start another legion for 3e?
also holy shit the fit on this thing is terrible

>>95924793
We don't know what 3.0 means, but I feel like NL are one of the least likely Legiosn to own a Falchion so I'd say start a new legion instead

>>95924788
>chastity caging eunuchs
Seems sorta pointless.

>>95924793
Don't listen to >>95924805
The liber/black books even give specific example of night lord super heavy companies. Bullies love giant guns on a mega brick.

>>95924793
So you have a falchion for blasting fortifications or tough vehicles so the marines can jump everyone who runs away or bails out.
>>95924805
Night Lords would have very competent vindicator crews who would delight in causing fear by totally obliterating defense lines and buildings with well placed shots.

>>95924817
>TFW jump Falchion (with bat wings on the cupola)

>>95924812
not really since the point is further emasculation even if one is a eunuch.

>>95924793
Who do you think breaks down the walls for the jump pack dudes to vault over? Start a night lords armored company to add on to your existing night lords.

>>95924805
>>95924817
>>95924823
yeah I remember distinctly that NL had access to super heavies just as much as any other legion
I just don't know if it's fluffy to just run a one off super heavy with a bunch of jump pack dudes

>>95924415
Is it that bad?

>>95924699
>>95924789
Would be appreciated if you would please post the epub

>>95924805
All Legions had all the standard units
ALL Legions had ALL the standard units
ALL LEGIONS HAD ALL THE STANDARD UNITS
This should not need repeating after 30+ years of being canon, but I will do it for (You)r retarded sake.

>>95924817
>>95924823
>>95924841
Not saying they dont have any, every legion has them. But NL, AL, RG are definitely the ones that probably usr tthemthe least. I imagine it goes something like
>Most used
IW, IH, IF, WE (Feels like FW usually paints the big tonks as WE, what's up with that?)
>Least used
NL, AL, RG
>No clue
WS(Can it keep up with fast vehicle convoys, then yes. Otherwise no.) TS (Not magic)

Everyone else is more of a generalist legion who uses them "normally"

>>95924932
I feel like you could fit SL and DG for most used as well.

>>95924841
>image
the blood splatters on the lower front hull are a nice touch

>>95924941
Death guard tank operators were mostly loyalists send down to istvaan 3

>>95924841
Yeah because infantry never operate alongside tanks.

>>95924987
They probably had planned replacements. Still fits them anyways.

>>95923698 (OP)
>TQ
i was about to make some Huscarls but i wonder if they are going to be reworked or removed.

>>95924961
They makr me think of that Austin Powers scene with the Steamroller. You'd think Marines would have enough reflexes to get out of the way of a ginormous tank. Unless they just run over corpses because they're huge posers

>>95925030
It's the NL, they probably crushed random civilians or militiamen.

thank you for attending the briefing of operation: body this cunt m8, the battle plant is to go up the center and then body this cunt m8

>>95925045
So this is the fabled Cthonian gang culture
>>95924987
Imagine being inside a DG tank and one of the crew farts. Better hope every crewmemeber has that Barbarus resilence.

>>95924920
It's not the OC fluff I can make up
It's the OC fluff internet randos are willing to believe

Of course there are Iron Warriors who befriended the White Scars they served with in the forgotten reaches of the galaxy, and together they came up with the idea of loading shrapnel ammo on jet bikes. First they pin them, then they rush them.
But you're not going to think them likely.

>>95925083
>We actually learned this tactic from the Emperor's Children, believe it or not. I distinctcly remember Eidolon telling me he loved to "Pin them down" before making his "potent thrust, guaranteed to break them". Good old Eidolon, always dealing the decisive strike.

>>95924184
>custodes house traits
>hufflepuffs ftw

>>95924920
I gave my RG a falchion. Might be one of, if not the, last ones in the legion but hey.

>>95925176
They actually misspelled "Falcon" on the requisition form, so now they're stuck with it

>>95925183
>the centuriin requested a vanity bird
>requisition office got mad and changed it to a falchion that doesn't fit into the company's makeup but they can't just go and ditch it because it's too valuable
>30th millennium white elephant

>>95925176
It's like a purple ork - you've never seen one, so obviously it's the best camo.
Everyone just assumes it's actually alpha legion and that it's either secretly on their side so they won't shoot it or currently pretending to be on their side so they won't shoot it yet.

>>95925205
Imagine if AL actually got to that level of cartoon spy shit.
>Hey, we're Death Guard, why dow we have a bunch of Librarians hanging out in our base
>Who cares? They're wearing our colors; maybe Dad is giving them a second chance
>Fuel depot explodes

>TQ
For SA it's the Aethon Heavy Sentinel, they are pretty ass.

>>95925274
Nah, just get rid of the top gun, rework the legs and give it arms, then use it as a proto-dreadnought. Would make a way better model than the Saturnine one.

>>95924919
Seconding, respectfully.

Out of all the "dicks to civilians" legions, which one is the most "dicks to civvies"? NL? EC? DG?IW?

I heard allying is dead, that true?

>>95925746
Not remotely. Allying is easier than ever.

>>95923711
Yes, starting Salamanders with the hope of branching into a Shattered Legion force eventually. Praying we get some rules and that the concept hasn’t just been snuffed.

>>95925746
Allied detachments can be as little as a single commander. You don't have a troops tax anymore so you can take a commander leading some elites of a different faction or a commander leading some tanks etc etc.
This makes shattered legions instantly available without any jumbled rules.

>>95925881
Here it says you can have any number of allied detachments so you can have 3 factions right off the bat and this will let you take faction specific units if you use your logistic benefits. You'll have to worry about the allied chart but that's barely ever a consideration

>>95925881
Were Additional Detachments limited to one per type? Can you have more than one Allied Detachment (from different Factions)?

>>95923711
>new
no but due to WS changes for dreads I won't be running RG and will most like go with Sallies that can flex into some form of blackshields for autist

>>95925951
no. yes.

>>95925943
So, I could get my Enginseer Auxilia back to go with my SA Allies at the cost of a single Mechanicum HQ. Too bad Mechanicum forgor how to give their servitors plasmas, so I guess I'll just keep using them as a volkite Storm Section.

>>95924793
The NL had a Vehicle pool with it's own command structure that loaned out armour and other toys to units that made the proper request.
Your NL made an very compelling request and have a shine new toy.
I would look up the page in the BB's that discussed this but I must sleep.

>>95925743
NL or IW, Pre Traitor EC were like arrogant smurfs in their dealings with mortals. DG were dick to everyone who wasn't from the home planet.

>>95925229
Kek. It's extra funny because thats the sabotuer in game ability to not be able to get shot.

>>95925881
>>95925943
>can take any number of Allies
>no compulsory takes
Five hundred Navigators.

>>95926103
>every gets AL rewards of treason with one HQ tax that could be the BIS for that stolen unit
Damn

>>95926100
Their Inductii get that rule too right?
>Hey, why is a squad of our newbies in the middle of the enemy formation and not getting shot?
>They're charging at us and screaming
>I don't get paid enough to care brother, says here on this chart that if they wear the aquila we don't shoot
>You get paid?

>>95926103
>Unlimited Moritats from every legion and the one Master of Signals that's tard wrangling.

>>95926141
It's the fucking non-euclidean tavern where every edgelord party member is brooding in a different dark corner of the room

>>95926136
Sure do. Their solar aux buddies also have a rule that you have to shoot them instead of nearby AL on a failed check. My hobby desk has an AL Overseer with a stolen TS hat, 20man Ashen waste nomad distraction mob, soon to be 20 Inductii, and a small head hunter squad. It's going to be the ultimate allied distraction carnifex.

>>95926162
post pics of the Overseer, I want to see the hat

>>95926141
>inb4 everyone takes 2 IH Moritat with grav pistols and deletes two vehicles a turn.

>>95925943
So, Command unlocks an extra Aux each (base 0, so you need one to get any). Centurions unlock two instead.
And High Command (Praetors) still unlock just one, but it can be Apex class, which no one else unlocks.
Except Warlords (Primarchs), I guess?

>>95926166
They're late heresy/siege of terra era. Said Headhunter Kill Team will be a DA, BA, IF, SL, and RG. Then my TS Overseer and UM Centurion. All a garish mix of paint jobs from their former infiltration missions and trophies.

>>95926174
And any crusade detachment gets unlimited allied detachments which can get their own aux detachments with their 2 (1 prime) command slots.

>>95926192
sweet

Poast gaymes

>>95926265
gaymes

>played daemons+darkmech against a WB army today
>his esoterist murdered 5 brutes in one combat round
>mhara gal killed 2 deciomators
>still tied it up because my one one thanatar killed all his line
>forgot to take photos
ah, the pain

>>95926293
>mhara gal killed 2 deciomators
don't they just have power swords?

>>95926205
>unlimited allied detachments which can get their own aux detachments with their 2 (1 prime) command slots
Eh? But the only way to get more Command units is from an Officer Cadre, which is an Apex detachment and thus cannot be unlocked by fellow Officer Cadres.
Only a High Command unit could unlock those, and you can only ever get a single High Command slot, found in the Primary Detachment.
Which you also cannot get more than one from.

>>95926265
>WS4 terminators with something other than hammers
You are a statistical unicorn. You cannot be real! :O

>>95926308
I mean, you want the hammers on the WS5 termies, not the WS4 ones right?

>>95926304
Anon, are you blind? The ally detatchment has 2 command slots, one of which is a prime.

So you can have infinite allied detatchments that each have:
Up to 2 centurions, which in turn unlock 4 more aux detatchments,
plus one can unlock logistical perk whatever its called for another bonus slot of your choice.

Honestly this whole new FOC system is so fucking cursed and dumb, but will lead to hilarious joke builds.

>>95926339
Oooh an Allied Detachment, which are unlimited and different from Auxiliar or Apex detachments (and may have their own Aux dets). Those weren't detailed in that article. Thanks anon.

>>95926328
Yeah, but those are BA. The only WS5 hammer termies they get are Termie command squads, right? Those Coriolis Terminators of theirs are forced to wield an Equinox Dawn blade or something, instead of a proper hammer ain't it

>>95926298
you're thinking of the infantry and not the dreadnought

>>95925743
Tied between NL, followed by late Heresy EC. DG were dicks to everybody. I'd also argue that WB and WE were bigger dicks to civilians during the Heresy then the IW ever were.

>>95923711
Am thinking about Iron Hands, but I don't know if I want to spend any more money on James's kikery. I'll probably just stick to what I got

>>95926410
>WB
Were they rounding up people for sacrifices? I would've expected them to at least try to convert people into cultists and spread the good word

Your expeditionary fleet has waged their own campaign for a while, and forged their own alliances and grudges. What are they?
You get to choose up to 3 Sworn Brothers. But to balance it out, for every Sworn Brother you pick you also have to designate 1 By His Command and 2 Distrusted Allies. Everyone else is Fellow Warriors.
Custodes, Assassins and Daemons are Agents, and thus their ally level is based on Allegiance, rather than faction.
That's 19 Factions: 17 legions (plus your own), Humans (SA & Militia) and Mechanicum.

>>95926489
>Your expeditionary fleet has waged their own campaign for a while
No they haven't. Stop making shit up. They've been on the Whore Planet, taking it easy for 3.4 years.

>>95925299
Thirding, respectfully

What are your plans for the new MkII assault squad?

>>95926489
>Main faction
Death Guard poison ship full of deadly cargo
>Sworn Brothers
Trench brothers with the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists (they've served as liaison between the two), and they have buddied with Night Lords when burning worlds.
>Distrusted Allies
White Scars and Space Wolves. Bunch of witch-savages who can't sit still and don't even have the decency to speak gothic.
Can't trust twitchy World Eaters to hold their ground either.
Mechanicum are outright inhuman cultists the Imperium had to tolerate for expediency. And it seems the Irons Hands are embracing that inhumanity too.
And you just can't trust the word of an army that says they're all Alpharius.
>By His Command
Thousand Sons and Word Bearers. At least the other guys are warriors first. These guys are witches and cultists first and foremost.
And the Ravens presume themselves liberators, but have used humans as bait and costed lives sneaking around instead of fighting. Don't like 'em.

Would it be easy enough to magnetize the guns for the plastic rapiers?

>>95926192
Traitors or loyalist? Cause I see a loot of heresy

>>95925743
WB for leading them astray and hooman sacrifices, NL also

I wanted to buy some DG heads but the price is so offputting fuck that

>>95926654
Goonhammer did a pretty good run through of the process. From what I remember reading basically it's possible but you have to assemble them without the ammo cases on the back if you want all of the weapons to fit on

>>95923711
WE, though its not looking pretty for melee yet again. At least charging from vehicles should be fun.

>>95925045
This I why I play SoH. Fuckin’ cunt Emprah was asking for it m8

>>95926741
the fingerer

>>95926741
>SoH
>green
>bong street scum
>cunts
So they were space marine orks all along

>>95926778
You should've realized this the moment you saw the topknot

>>95926825
I though orks wear their fake topknots for the same reason they paint B&W checkered patterns: They got so utterly fucked up by the Luna Wolves during the late great Crusade that it left an imprint in their racial genetic memory. There's a reference to that in the shitty The Beast series

>>95925743
Ultramarines RIP Monarchia

>>95925743
IH is probably the most standout even if they weren't actively the most hostile, since they started out being one of the most popular with civvies but then went full callous warcrimes for no reason just because they found Ferrus and somehow thought having metal arms means you are better than everyone else.

>>95926679
I will check it out but that is an awful name for a website

>>95926884
And it got even worse when the IH lost their space daddy and rejected their humanity even further. There is a blurb in the black books about Ferrus intent to reject his silver arms after the crusade was finished because he saw what started happening to his sons. Very tragic.

>>95926942
I want a chaos turned IH group called Flesh Hands that rejects all their implants because it wasn't enough to save daddy and graft shit to themselves instead.

Other primarchs:
>I'm le sad
Ferrus Manus:

>>95927006
What kind of accent does he have? This is important

>>95927011
Chinese/Cockney fusion accent.

>>95927006
Ferrus was everything Perty pretended to be, without the self-pity and delusions of grandeur.
His only fault was being just a rage tard like Angron, and not bombing Isstvan 5 with cyclonic torpedoes.

>>95927011
austrian, mechanical and zesty at the same time

>>95927011
Thickly Scottish

>>95927011
I always imagined that he sounded like Avitus from Dawn of War 2.

>>95926171
Doesn't seem like gravguns do that anymore

>>95927011
He sounds exactly like Leonidas in 300

>>95927091
Making him a rage tard shows his weakness in the flesh

>>95926985
I can imagine an IH clan joining Nurgle.

>>95927011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2cB4ptrSww

>>95927326
And his kids went to the complete opposite end and showed there is strength in flesh

>>95926141
All the school shooters don't give a fuck about loyalties once Inductii hit the field.

>>95926103
>thousand sons? why would i play that?
>my list is already 75 librarians.

Oh shit. Fabius shows up in one of the short stories in Era of Ruin

>>95926489
Ezpz for this list, given that my armies' lore is literally just being a cobbled-together Traitor battlegroup formed around an old Expeditionary Fleet.
>Core Faction
Death Guard, now overwhelmingly Inductii not from Barbarus.
>Sworn Brothers
Militia (the DG's mass-drafted auxiliaries) and Blood Angels (effectively Revenant Legion; now-Traitor BAs fighting nightmare wars in the ass end of nowhere even long after Sangy was found).
>Distrusted Allies
Pick literally any 4 Loyalist Legions here.
>By His Command
Thousands Sons because their disgusting sorcery is nothing compared to earthy, honest Barbaran necromancy. Raven Guard because them (and the IFs) are seemingly the DG's main antagonists in the southern Imperium.

>>95926141
>you can easily fit 18 jump pack moritats into a 3000pts. army with plenty of points left for pimping them out

>>95926171
>2
Use Benefits to get a 3rd one.

>>95924405
The damage changes probably bode poorly for them. If they gain a wound and go to W4 each, thats still them now dying twice as fast vs lascannons and powerfists. In general the mechanic is going to be stronger vs the stuff that used to rely on ignoring ID (gal vorbak are also going to be less durable than before).

What made custards so durable was (alongside their 2+ armor and nutty stats) their t5, which meant that in a world of things designed to kill marines there was very little that would kill them well. Now? Thats going to be much less of a thing (probably). And if they dont get an extra wound? Meltaguns are going to be giving the banana boys PTSD. Disintigrators (which arent great vs marines) are also going to do a killing vs them, the heavy ones anyways. Theyre the ideal targets for a range of weaponry that didnt really exist before but which seems to be quite prominent now.

>>95925030
>marines
Anon, its something NL managed to kill. The odds of it being a marine are quite low. Its probably civilian protestors or something.

I finished my decurion in my kratos turret.

>>95928142
But I'm not really feeling my sponging scheme on such a large model. The weathering on the grey came out well at least but for black armor it's unsatisfying

>>95928142
got to say I'm glad I held off for the fellblade.

>>95928142
>You know, I'm somewhat of a heretic myself

>>95925743
NL, its not going to be close. Theyre a legion of psycopathic monsters whos stated goals and doctrine, even before the heresy, was terror warfare (inflicting suffering on the civilian population to force compliance). Maybe come the late heresy your various chaos legions (proper) were doing shit that would make pre-heresy NL look like the UN peace corps, but by that point the NL are also building castles out of living flesh and shit. Everyone got a bit lost in the sauce by that point.

>>95924805
Why? The NL have a preference for certain forms of warfare (jump packs) but its not even some extreme cultural thing like WS and bikes. They like terror warfare, and found that jump troops are good for the sorts of morale breaking shock assaults that they enjoy. You know what else is good for that? Superheavies. Tank formations have a certain way of breaking resistance. And a bonus for any NL tank commander is that they get to avoid any risky confrontations, perfect for the perennial coward legion.

I'm so tired of secondaries coming in thinking that
>This legion had a preference for this thing
means
>This legion ONLY does this one particular thing and NOTHING else

>>95928209
I think people need to internalize that like 80% of marine warfare is generic tacticals in rhinos doing tacticals in rhinos things, and that the other 20% is a 15:5 split between generic specialist stuff (heavy support squads, tactical support squads, terminators) and the legion gimmick.

>>95928184
Fellblade will just let me do 2 at once though I supposed one will just be the loader.

>>95926171
Grav doesent have haywire any more. Haywire doesent even seem to be a thing, at least generically enough to be in the base rulebook.

>>95928209
It's a 40k mindset where all the space marines have limited resources so they need to specialize to be effective.

>>95928209
That's just 40k brainrot where they only have 1000 guys to work with so end up being specailised into certain tactics

>>95928209
legion rules don't exactly help change that perception though.

>>95928263
>>95928268
But even in 40k thats true. All the chapters, no matter how flanderized, rely on the same core of fundamental tools and tactics. (or at least they did, maybe the game has changed since then).
Space wolves, ravenguard, salamanders, fists, crimson fists, ultramarines, raptors, black dragons, mantis warriors. It doesent matter who you pick, its mostly tactical marines in drop pods and rhinos, and the same special weapons and tools supplementing them.

The differences between chapters, while significant for those chapters, are ultimately not that significant. A space marine is a space marine.

>>95928280
Most legion rules are if not "unit agnostic" then conductive to general combined arms warfare rather than just 1 thing and 1 thing only (unless you define "thing" as broadly as "WE do melee", and even then they generally dont JUST do melee, the army still runs guns and shoots you).
Everyone fields HSS, everyone fields dreadnoughts, everyone fields land raiders and terminators, everyone fields tactical marines, everyone fields predators, everyone fields rhinos, every legion can make use of land speeders or recon squads or vindicators or whatever other tool you want to point at.

The legion gimmicks like special weapons or special units are important, but the most common units are the same generic units you will find in every army.

>>95928295
so what's the problem if every fields those things? Just from a lore perspective people think Legions are one trick ponies or what? Also some legions do become as specialized as they are in 40k especially by the late heresy, like the WS who are literally all on bikes during the lions gate attack or WE being all berzerkers or even RG having virtually no armour assets after Isvaan and being full infantry.

>>95928263
40k chapters are the opposite, they are spread thin so can't afford to specialize which is also one of the tenets of the codex astartes. Legions were used in more specific roles than chapters if anything.

>>95928295
The core of any space marine army, regardless of whether its 30k or 40k, what legion or chapter they are, whether theyre loyalists or traitors. Is, has been, and should remain (and hopefully will) tactical marines in rhinos supported by marines with special/heavy weapons. Terminators as the heavy infantry elite.

The fundamental concept of marines (not in universe, although probably there too) is tactical flexibility, that they are a generic base which can do whatever task is needed with a large selection of wargear available to them. Even the legions which have preferences for certain styles of warfare or advantages in certain fields are capable of (and will often engage in) all other styles of warfare, because that is the nature of warfare, you cant force one size fits all solutions and you cant pick the battles that come your way all the time.

>>95928321
>so what's the problem if every fields those things?
There isnt one (or shouldnt be). But some people have very flanderized perceptions of various legions

>like the WS who are literally all on bikes during the lions gate attack or WE being all berzerkers
WE retained ranged and armor elements well past the heresy? They all had butchers nails, but that didnt mean they didnt keep apothecaries, tech marines, tanks and so on. And the WS had elements that werent on bikes (or at least, could field formations that werent that way). They might just do all bikes at points because they want to/because the situation demands it.

Theres a difference between "we are doing a drop assault so in this instance everyone has a jump pack" and "we do nothing but drop assaults, no one in this legion owns a heavy bolter"

>>95928321
The RG did have tanks though. They fielded the same complement as everyone else, and even if they lost most of them at Istvaan they didnt lose all of them (they also lost most of everything at Istvaan, most of them died didnt they?)

What books (both FW and BL) should I read to "get" Thousand Sons?

>>95928347
SOVLFVL

>>95928370
There was 80k on Istvaan and 3k escaped

>>95928371
"A thousand sons"

>>95928371
>FW
Inferno
>BL
A Thousand Sons

Of course there's a ton more content you could dig into, but if you want a comprehensive look at the legion in the Great Crusade and early Heresy eras these are the books you want to look at.

It's really weird that the 2nd story in Era of Ruin (the WB one) is bsically discribing the militia list, down to cargo-8s and provenances

>>95928280
thats from a flawed perception you need to maximize said legion traits.

>>95928280
Which legion rules force you into only taking a specific sort of specialist troop, to the point where the list doesent benefit from taking things like armor or firepower?

Theres RITES OF WAR which may limit your access to things like heavy armor or mobility elements, but thats different.

>>95928321
>RG having virtually no armour assets after Isvaan and being full infantry.
That does not mean zero. They had their own forge world, remember. You could take 10 tanks in your 3k list and that would still be "virtually zero" of the legions total stock. You could field a Glaive, two Spartans, and a squadron of pred tanks post dropsite and be fine as they are likely amongst the last few.

>>95928382
So? Are you going to field 3k of marines with an exact 1:1 ratio of all assets all at once? Again, a 3k list is a snapshot, not an abstracted ratio.

man have read some of the stories from era of ruin:

>– Angels of Another Age, by John French
solid blood angel insight 7/10

>– Fulgurite, by Nick Kyme
fan fiction tier boring bolterporn with hilariously random appearing badguys. cannot stress the fanfiction feel enough 1/10

>– Fragments (All We Have Left), by Dan Abnett
holy shit sisters of silence goodness 9.5/10 goosebumps

>– The Carrion Lord of the Imperium, by Aaron Dembski-Bowden
incredibly insightful good custodes thoughts. new lore and facettes 10/10 goosebumps

didnt read the rest yet. have hopes for chris wright. but damn the nick kyme story was bad. like "dude do i have to write this. i want to do something else" feeling.

>>95928421
I mostly got hung up on the end where Erebus leaves the fulgurite with Narek. Like dude that's Legendary-tier loot and you're just walking away from it

>>95928280
>DA
eight different flavors of benefits that encompass basically all units in some way (no focus)
>DG
mainly benefits infantry/heavy weapons (ranged focus)
>IF
Benefits auto/bolt weapons, which basically everything has access to (ranged focus)
>SW
benefits infantry (melee focus)
>WE
benefits infantry (melee focus)
>BA
Benefits infantry (melee focus)
>NL
Benefits all units that can ountnumber (no focus, discourages elites)
>WB
benefits infantry (no focus)
>UM
benefits all shooting (ranged focus)
>RG
three different benefits for infantry (no focus)
>IH
Bonus against shooting (no focus)
>SoH
Benefits all infantry (melee focus)
>AL
Benefits all units (no focus)
>TS
Benefits all infantry (no focus)
>SAL
Benefits all infantry (no focus)
>WS
Benefits all units (no focus)
>EC
Benefits all infantry (melee focus)
>IW
Benefits all models (slight ranged focus)


Which of these legion rules is supposed to pigeonhole a legion into only ever playing one way?

>>95928490
>have hopes for chris wright
I can vouch for that one. It's good.

>>95928421
Does the militia list have taurox?

>>95928229
>80% of marine warfare is generic tacticals in rhinos doing tacticals in rhinos things
Hey, that's my legion gimmick! :^)

>>95928670
Of course not. Not even Aurox.

>>95928506
>Which of these legion rules is supposed to pigeonhole a legion into only ever playing one way?
Anything that benefits infantry especially melee, actively discourages vehicles, which aren't infantry and fight exclusively at range. Even when they're given ancillary bonuses like "+1S when ramming", those are auxiliary things – Predators and Sicarans fight mainly at range.

Also, the AL focus is mobility but technically ranged, as it *quickly* devolves into avoiding enemy charges whilst shooting close range guns like Meltas or RF bolters

>>95928733
>Anything that benefits infantry especially melee, actively discourages vehicles
Because as we all know the role of melee infantry and the role of vehicles is one and the same.

>>95928733
>actively discourages vehicles
It's been a while since I've seen such a poor comprehensive take. Actively would be "For every vehicle you take, subtract 1 from the leader ship of your army"; Eg, not prohibited, but penalized actively.

Had an introductory game for my wife, AL vs Custodes.

Thought this pic was cool.

I run a lot of assmarines and Raptors in my Night Lords roster because I like jump infantry. I've also got a blob of 20 despoilers I like to throw into a Kharybdis.

>>95928860
It is cool

>>95928733
If my infantry are specced for melee that encourages me to take more vehicles to do the shooting I need done.

>>95928860
>In the name of the Emperor, will the real Alpharius please stand up?

>>95928760
>>95928810
>>95928882
Fine, I said it wrong. If the LA trait benefits infantry, especially melee, then it neglects vehicles, which fight mainly at range.
Yes they complement infantry, but the venn diagram does not overlap. LA(+1S when ramming) is niche.

Why didn't Horus just use rogaine

>>95928147
Looks grest anon! If I had to criticize somwthing, it's that painting the hazard stripes on the bit that gets got and warps feels like a dumb deciision. The paint won't last long

>>95928912
Yes, the legion trait does not benefit infantry. But the point is that the legion trait does not force an infantry only plastyle.
You CAN try and maximize the legion trait benefit as WE, but your army will be weaker than if you say, took some HSS or predators or other units which dont benefit from your legion traits or ROW very much but are nontheless important and do things your rampagers, destroyers, assault marines or whatever else cant do.

That goes for basically all other legions. The legion trait does not define the army, it simply complements aspects of its gameplay.

>>95929000
>Yes, the legion trait does not benefit infantry
Does not benefit vehicles*

>>95928996
It looks cool, and it adds more color to an otherwise dull model, same reason that hatch and the commander are red.

>>95928860
Is that Alpharius?

>>95928347
Yes, I am making moar IW tacticals, I have 70 I will make them 80 soon enough

>>95928860
He is surrounded by fear and dead men

>>95929193
>And they shall know no fear
>except for Steve. They'll all fear Steve.

>>95928257
That would be in libers

>>95929193
They went on to save 3 melta shots (making three 6+ saves and taking 0 damage) before sweeping the headhunters in melee and consolidating into the tac squad, melting them the next turn

>>95928257
Overload also isn't in the base rulebook.

>>95929267
Possibly, although the big grav gun we saw was also without any haywire. Shock(pinning) seems to be the replacement.

>>95929000
World Eaters aren't deciding to maximize their melee and then bring ranged elements to support them: they'll ALWAYS be a melee core with support. Their trait DOES define their army
Their HSS, snipers and tanks surely do better when things go south and they need to charge. But if things go right, it's as if they had no LA trait.
And the other guy does. So they are relegated to a support role, unlike say an Iron Warrior who can make them the core of their army. It is very cool that WE and IW are Sworn brothers, they complement each other so well!

>>95929371
The leviathan's grav flux didn't/doesn't have haywire either

>>95928209
Stereotypes exist for a reason, it's natural to play into your strengths, ur strawmanning

>>95928142
>Hey bro wanna buy some heresy?

>>95929000
HSS do make a WE army stronger, but that's because HSS are grossly overpowered and allowed to shoot multiple times every turn. If it wasn't for that trash game design, world eaters would never take a single HSS ever.

Outer circle is a fucking annoying wigger who never contributes only shits on everything

>>95929569
>He wrote on 4chan.

>>95929581
you can really tell when somebody got buttfucked by a youtuber in an argument. We're forced to listen to the loser crying tears for months and months when no one is even talking to them. I miss the 90s when people knew what shame was and knew crying is something you do silently in your room without trying to televise it publically like a gaylord.

>>95929590
A gaylord is a type of box attached to a forklift pallet.

>>95929600
And you're a bundle of sticks. The apple truly doesn't fall far from the tree.

>>95929609
You shouldn't compare Anonymous to something as useful as a gaylord.

>>95923711
Yes, Ultras

>>95929054
Nah, he's right, barrel stripes just make a model uglier. You could have added more color and style to the gun barrel better by doing a heat effect like the picture instead, wtih stripes moved to the main turret body which just looks half-painted.

It's your model so however you like is fine, just seems weird going to extra effort doing special freehand to make it look worse.

Working on my Kratos. Stripped it from Word Bearers like I said I wanted to do, going to get some washes on it, do my hazards and seal before a dirty oil wash.

>>95929717
I may be retarded.

>>95929665
Nah I don't like that style of heat bloom.

>>95929748
Yes you do.

>>95929721
Looks great! What's the problem?

>>95929825
Nope. Don't care about it at all, even when it's done well.

>>95930022
You like it. You want to paint it on your models.

>>95925881
Something I've been wondering about the Allied Detachment is that it looks like it's just two HQs and four Troops. So, barring any alterations that we're missing from the Swiss cheese of rules we have at the moment, I guess if you, say, take a Mechanicum Allied Detachment, you can't bring any Thanatars?

I suppose an alternative is that every faction might have their own special, optional Allied Detachments, kinda like Questoris Households in 2.0.

>>95929721
What is the diameters of the Kratos turret?

>>95930055
I'd rather paint the barrel the same color as the tank like vehicles actually would be.

>>95930073
You can with using one of the prime benefits

>>95930073
Come on, Anon, put your reading glasses on

>>95930119
>>95930127
>May include Auxiliary Detachments.
Well, I'll be goddamned.

>>95930073
It has two comman options, that is up to four detachments

>>95930154
You're not even the real Lotara Sarrin

>>95929935
It used to look like this, and now it belongs to a better Legion

>>95930119
>prime sergeant can have better Ld.
>prime commander cannot
Something-something NCO keep this army together.

>>95930192
True, that's obviously not even a Word Bearers vehicle. I've driven behind enough religious people to know they'd have at least 11 different bumpers stickers on there saying the exact same thing.

>>95930192
>better legion
>iron warriors
Eh. Sure.

>>95930185
>I am Lotara Sarrin.
>I AM Lotara Sarrin.

>>95930192
hard to believe how shit this tank looks compared to the Fellblade

>>95930227
Shit indeed, but it grows on you.

>>95930192
>>95930227
All tanks are beautiful, don't be ashamed of your hazard stripes

>>95930297
>all tanks are beautiful
Except the kratos.

>>95923711
Yes, Militia.

>>95923711
I'm sticking with my Thousand Sons, but I have been wanting to make a 1000~ point allied detachment of Mechanicum for them, so that's likely going to be my next project.

>>95930227
Of those two, fellblade looks the shittier.
- Chest gun that can't be aimed and isn't twice as big as the main gun so it's simply a much lower velocity much weaker gun that ruins the tank's armor while also requiring extra crew and wasting the interior of the tank with extra ammunition. Siege guns only make sense for a cheap non-frontline unit meant to fight buildings instead of tanks.
- dumbass heavy bolter shot-trap on the front where enemy grenades and missiles and napalm would just zoom inside the tank. Retarded siege gun is blocking 90 degrees of the heavy bolter to its left which is yet another strike against the demolisher tardcannon.
- enormous fragile heavy bolter sponsons with enough ammo for 10 seconds of firing and then they're just an enormous deadweight. Absolutely horrible firing arcs, instead of having 9 heavy bolters horribly placed where only rarely 4 get to shoot, would be far more effective to have one quad-HB on top of the turret with the extra weight turned into thousands of rounds of ammo with an autoloader. Roof-top HB could defend against air attackers, while the shitty sponsons cannot angle at planes at all.
- stupid entry/exit doors in front of the heavy bolters means that they can't defend the vehicle while the troops are entering or leaving, so firing arcs have been screwed up on every single side of the vehicle.

It's just sad looking at British attempting to make weapons, they truly have no ability to even comprehend what a tank or gun needs to look like to function.

>>95930378
>Siege guns only make sense for a cheap non-frontline unit meant to fight buildings instead of tanks.
So why are all historical tanks with large caliber "siege guns" always heavily armoured with relatively short ranges, meant to advance under fire to launch their projectiles?
>Absolutely horrible firing arcs
Kratos has four sponson guns, each with their own, terrible firing arcs.
>stupid entry/exit doors in front of the heavy bolters means that they can't defend the vehicle while the troops are entering or leaving
Fellblade is not a transport.

>>95930378
The fellblade has a bigger turret and is therefore cooler

>>95930378
no man, the Kratos is overdesigned crap with angles that hinder its own firing arcs, catch incoming projectiles and can't even depress its turret to go hull down

>>95930518
The fellblade can't go hull down anymore either.

>>95930518
Could there be a way to improve the Kratos' design? Idk if it makes sense to put like half a dozen guns on one tank, but the Kratos offers an interesting concept

>>95930538
ask the french how it worked out for them

>>95930518
Ok sure, you're objectively correct when you apply real world logic. And if that stops you, thats ok. Personally I think its peak warhammer.

>>95930538
more angled plating, its supposed to be a main battle tank mini fort. I think where it lost the pot was how many lascannons it could take, the mini side emplacements should have been defensive only.

>>95930538
I would've wished for a Hercules, but instead we got an extra large Sicaran.

If I had to stick to the given design, for one, ditch the corner sponsons and lower the hull a bit. Give it a unified glacis, either with a Sicaran style hull gun or not. Maybe give it Proteus style twin-gun sponsons, rather than four individual guns everywhere. That alone would simplify the design and fix some of the issues. With the right kit build, you could even introduce a casemate gun version down the line, like the various Malcador variants.

>>95930445
It's really obvious. That stubby chode gun means the velocity is really low. Velocity is a crucial component of armor penetration, so if they fire it from long range it would simply shatter harmlessly against enemy tanks (armored) and enemy fortifications (often even more heavily armored as no need to conserve weight by using thin armor) without actually getting its job done.

When you have to push up close to an enemy fortification, the enemy will be lobbing shots into the front of your tank. This necessitates using very thick armor to the front (much of the tank's weight) while the side/rear/top are all relatively defenseless. That's ideal because fortresses can't flank attack to your side - on account of them not moving.

The shells of such a large gun are incredibly large and heavy and take up a lot of space inside the vehicle, so you cannot also accomodate multiple other large guns while having enough ammo to actually grind down fortresses and bunkers. The reload time of such huge shells is very long, so they have to rely on the thick frontal armor which they sacrificed every other quality of the tank for in order to survive long enough to keep slowly reloading and trying to grind down the immobile building.

They relied on screens of infantry and real non-shit combat tanks to push the enemy away and neutralize threats so that it wouldn't just take a quick side-shot and be destroyed. Even a shot to the track makes the terrible siege gun near useless compared to a rotating turret. They are essentially in the same situation like the A10 warthog. A10s relied on jet fighters with 5x better performance to come through the battlefield and secure air superiority, then the slow lumbering vulnerable A10 could sit in one spot and grind down a stubborn area. If air superiority wasn't already secured, then an enemy jet would simply swoop in and pulverise the helpless A10. Siege guns required ground superiority to be secured by superior tanks first.

>>95930227
It's very easy to believe actually.
Some twat design director or marketing person really needed to leave their mark on that project so they filled it with retarded shit that doesn't fit the pre stablished aesthetic, like diagonal sponsons, elevated top platform, weirdly angled surfaces and an off centered main gun.
All of that just to have a tank that is not that much bigger than a sicaran with the same number of guns on the sponsons and main guns that could have easily been sicaran variants to begin with...

>>95930600
Good thing the rules writers can just pull AV14 with a flare shield out of their ass to at least make it on of the few playable vehicles in the edition it came out in

>>95926265
>>95926293
one of my friends apparently took some photos from that gameday so I guess I lied

>>95929554
Of course they would. WE cant survive based off melee infantry only during the great crusade or heresy. Astartes or not. Would they be common? No, but they would still be used. even the new WE book in 40k has heavy bolter devastars with full bunny ears.

Every legion uses everything, full stop. They merely have preferences, and eschew some units.

You're looking at this from the wrong angle. The majority of threats to imperial armour aren't kinetic weaponry like shells and rockets but energy weapons like meltaguns and lascannons that wouldn't care about how armour angles or trapping points because they just melt through whatever they're pointed at. Ergo the imperium's tanks should be designed primarily around ways to disperse that energy and heat for protection. Now, are they designed to do that? I dunno

>>95930657
Even modern day tanks don't really bother with angled armour, it makes no difference against modern anti-tank weapons. Sloped armour is some WW 1 - WW 2 shit.

>>95930640
the point is that astartes legions don't have to fight battles they aren't suited for since the Imperial army can do that. You call the WE when you want a bunch of civvies and trash human fodder massacred, not for tank battles. Which is why WE are pretty much the only legion that actually makes use of being astartes where being super fast, strong and psychologically immune is an advantage. If they are sat in a tank cockpit they are no better than joe everyman from down your road.

This thread is now an armored column, post cool tanks you have saved for the legions.

>>95930740
Here's one with a WE MoS from an old white dwarf iirc

>>95930740
All I've got are my own tanks

>>95930740
Am I allowed to dump?

>>95930791
hell yeah

>>95930803

>>95930809

>>95930786
Nice, clockwork tanks are peak

>>95930809
Proteus are also peak, well done, nice sponging too >>95930817

>>95930817

SPOIL THE LEGION TRAITS BEFORE I PISS MYSELF

>>95930817
Not of the Legions, but dedicated in service to them

>>95930820
This is a level of petty that would make even Perty blush, well played.

>>95930830

>>95930836
Dump over I think

>>95930829
well get a fresh pair of trousers ready, because nobody has seen the libers yet

>>95930830
>>95930836
>>95930839
Sick, just ordered some automata for my RG as reinforcements from Kiavahr.

>>95930766
How does one become a MoS while having the butcher's nails?

Somewhere in the distance; a Salamanders meltagun squad is salivating

>>95931006
They're a master of the signal to kill

so has anyone tortured themselves through all 6.5 hours of the circle heresy jerk?

>>95923711
Word bearers. Praying our fluffy options aren’t removed

>>95930598
>It's really obvious.
I'm sorry, what point are you trying to make? You said it makes sense for siege guns to be cheap non-frontline units. But that's not how they're used in real life.
>Velocity is a crucial component of armor penetration
Not with HEAT, HESH and wide variety of other types of anti-tank warheads.
>That's ideal because fortresses can't flank
No, but a fortress is also not a single point, they can be long networks and there's still enemies defending that fortress that can fire at your sides.
>so you cannot also accomodate multiple other large guns while having enough ammo to actually grind down fortresses and bunkers.
>The reload time of such huge shells is very long
Depends entirely on the gun and tank.
>Siege guns required ground superiority to be secured by superior tanks first.
If the enemy has a strong defensive position you can't deal with, you don't have superiority. There's a reason all manner of tanks meant to engage static defences have heavy armour and that's to push to firing range under enemy fire and take care of the problem, opening a path to other forces.

>>95931006
Theyre just angry while they do it.

>>95930657
Angled armour increases the effective thickness of the armour, so it still have some effect.
>disperse that energy and heat for protection.
Or increase the surface area, such as by angling it, meaning the energy is distributed on a larger area.
>Now, are they designed to do that? I dunno
Ceramite in standard tank armour is meant to help with heat dissipation.
>>95930680
They still do. Even though the Leopard 2 turret is quite flat sided, it has extra plates that give it quite a sharp profile. There's still plenty of weapons out there against which angling helps. Another thing when the enemy tosses warp portals at you or reverses your polarity.

>>95931059
you've demonstrated you're mentally retarded so no reason wasting time replying to you

>>95931044
No doubt that is used as a torture method.

Someone please convince me keeping this Kratos all choomed up is worth it. I love the look of volkite but I don't really want a 400 point unit to be doing basically nothing on the tabletop

>>95931147
a full CHOOM kratos with decurion can return fire with all its weapons, with enough shots to whittle down any lascannon HSS trying to chip off hullpoints through the flare shielded front armour.

New edition next month, who knows how useless it will be after that.

>>95931147
Lots of dakka is always relevant because eventually something will get through armor saves but not very much is actually gonna get through.

>>95930640
that's purely GW cope. It would be absolutely impossible to do complex tasks with butcher's nails. No WE would ever be able to actually form a tank crew successfully or fly an airplane or spaceship or be an apothecary. They literally have something that entirely breaks their brain if they're not running on foot towards an enemy performing melee violence on it. That entirely rules out using complex vehicle control systems and thinking strategically about avoiding outlining your tank on the horizon, maneuvering to carefully sneak up on enemy armor without overextending, matching ammunition to the specific enemy and deciding what distance you can penetrate their armor depending on the weak points, utilizing optimal your vehicle's long distance characteristic to not get too close where your armor immediately fails.

A WE could just barely, very temporarily use a retard weapon like just squeezing down on a heavy bolter, though they'd immediately run out of ammo in the first 5 seconds of combat and jam or overheat their gun, so they wouldn't actually be viable as a heavy support squad in any way at all. And instead of carefully pulling back and establishing a logistics chain to solve the ammo problem, they'd instantly run out and run screaming to try to bludgeon the enemy with their fists.

The forgeworld retcon is entirely because GW was unhappy that world eaters played correctly would buy zero non-transport tanks and gimmicky characters like master of signals, so they incorrectly lie to people and say "just ignore everything we've very clearly told you about butcher's nails and consuum you morons"

>>95930740
This is my girl. Have had the model since 1st edition.

>>95931225
Glorious

>>95930592
>>95930560
>>95930556
Dude I've been looking for that Hercules pic everywhere. I heard that's the art the Glaives are based on?
So, double sponsons instead of four, so that they don't need to put the gun on the corner. Aw but that looks nice. Makes it look like a bunker on wheels.
Yeah maybe those could be defensive only, and the actual sponsons be up to gravis guns.

A little known revision of the Kratos. It's supposed to be a version of the Kratos with a fully unmanned turret with an upgraded sensor suite.

>>95931253

>>95931248
>I heard that's the art the Glaives are based on?
SM super-heavies are based on the old Fellblade art depicting a Baneblade with a domed turret.

>>95931266
>melta with a muzzle break

>>95931285
It looked cool

talking about tanks, any advice for non-airbrush user? tried to do some dry brushing but it looks like shit

>>95931312
Sponge

>>95930740
Some Proteus LR for my fists.

>>95931147
I have a feeling that this will be the CHOOM edition, so forge ahead. What legion?

>>95931285
It's actually an elaborate filter that gets rid of the impurities in the stream as they leave the muzzle, ensuring a more coherent melta stream

>>95931328
Alpha Legion

>>95931350
very pretty

>>95930740
>>95931319
Fellblade in battle.

>>95931364
ah shit wrong pic

>>95930740
>>95931319
>>95931381
and my IH force with 3 preds, 2 sics, and a trio of laser vindis.

>>95930657
Sloped hulls reflect incoming las and Meltas shots better still :^)

>>95930840
Rare sicaran

>>95930740
Also have some tank based armies from events I have been to.

>>95930740
and some more

>>95930740
Tanks for the tank god

>>95931493
Love that blue

>>95926847
When are we getting the other 40k novels to reveal that
>evil sunz learned from white scars
>bad moons learned from imperial fists
>deathskulls learned from alpha legion
>blood axes learned from raven guard
And I guess the snakebites chose not to learn at all

this thread has fucking rocked

>>95928209
While that's true, the legions do have a specific preference in how they fight. Especially by the time of the heresy, primarchs would've heavily shaped the structure and tactics of their legions, so those units would've been the exception rather than a commonplace occurrence. It also often plays a part in why people like their chosen legion, so it's not unreasonable to say "I don't think these jetbikes really fit with my Death Guard. I might paint them up as another legion" even though Death Guard would've logically had access to jetbikes.

>>95928209
My friends and I are fans of throwing in a unit or two into our lists that are a little atypical for our respective Legions. It's partly why one of my future units is likely going to be Rapiers for my Thousand Sons. I'd kinda like to do a nice armored column for them too, but their Legion rules (as it stands now) don't do anything for that theme whatsoever.

>>95931575
Threads for the thread throne

>>95928209
All legions did everything, and only a very few legions specialized so hard that it could have much impact on their unit roster

Lots of the usual suspects don't really fall under that umbrella:
Alpha Legion explicitly have a significant arm dedicated to conventional warfare and heavy armor, as seen in Extermination

Similarly, Night Lords would use everything at their disposal and have an illustrated fellblade

You have to get to really corner cases before leaving out units makes sense, like Salamanders not using destroyers

I think there may be an argument that the Chogorian Brotherhood RoW represents the typical ground forces of the Scars, so they aren't doing burnouts in fellblades all that often, but they still had them when the need arose
(Although I always thought Thunderhawks worked better for a WS superheavy anyway)

>>95931721
This
Sometimes you want to play the outcast, sometimes you don't

>>95931829
Knowing WS, their Fellblades were probably tuned to go as fast as Predators. Now that's transhuman dread
>Alpha Legion explicitly have a significant arm dedicated to conventional warfare and heavy armor, as seen in Extermination
My favorite AL. The one that's stealthy not because it hides, but because it leaves no survivors

>>95931789
Oh, also, likely a Chaplain at some point. But not a proper Chaplain, since I think they're too incongruous with the the Thousand Sons, but a reflavored one. Possibly an "officer" of the Order of the Jackal.

>>95923711
My new army is going to be Solar Aux

>>95931884
I'm sorry for your loss

>>95931862
>Knowing WS, their Fellblades were probably tuned to go as fast as Predators. Now that's transhuman dread
Fellblades aren't even slow in 2.0, they're M12 when rhinos/preds are M14 and Kratos are M10 (add +1" to all of that for WS legion rules)

And actually looking back at it, Chogorian Brotherhood doesn't even prohibit fellblades, it only prohibits non-fly heavy support

So kratos/predators/sicarans are out, but M13 fellblades are A-Ok

>>95931879
Wait if jackals are military police then who's the medic corps?

On an unrelated note, my wish for 3.0 is that the cyberhawk stays pretty much the same as it is now

It would be really funny for Scars to be the ones who can run disintegrators the best solely because they explode less thanks to a fucking bird

>>95931932
It's both. Anubis was in charge of judging the dead as well as sentencing them.

>>95931920
WS Vehicles should've gotten +2" to every movement instead. That is, if a Predator normally moves 14", now it can move 16" total and, where normally it would move up to 7" before counting as Cruising Speed, now it can move up to 9".
But it doesn't matter anymore

>>95931932
Well, the Jackals are kinda the medics since a lot of Apothecaries are members of the Order of the Jackal (though not all, I think), but the Order of the Jackal also deals with things like overseeing new recruits and interring Legionaries into dreadnaughts; essentially, they oversee the cycle of life and death within the Thousand Sons. My idea with the "Chaplain" is that he oversees the rituals of the Order.

>>95931956
The important part of the +1" is less the distance and more that it bumped up the charge bonus for almost everything from infantry to dreads to bikes

>>95931952
I think medics are in charge of denying Death instead

>>95931932
Why can't they be both?

>>95931983
Order of jackal was involved with dreadnought internment.

>>95931975
Yes but vehicles don't get the +1 to charge bracket and it's easier to imagine them being faster than infantry, so an extra buff is fine

>>95932038
All I'm hearing is ramming speed

>>95931789
The TS numerologist from their exemplary battle rules can buff two units within 6" to have +1 BS - this includes vehicles.
Add a siege breaker that can give vehicle squadrons Sunder, make him a telekine, and also provide a 4+ invulnerable save bubble for your vehicles. Buff like a 4 volkite predators squadron and a 3 laser-destroyer vindicator squadron this way, and you got a quite an impressive amount of firepower that is durable too.

TS generally preferred ranged combat and saw melee as somewhat barbaric.

>>95931951
Sorry to say it looks like rerolls of any kind are extinct for 3.0.

>>95932146
It's Chogover

>>95932088
I do like those ideas. The plan I had was to run three Quad Launchers with Incendiary shells for the Pinning, then attach a Tech-Priest to the unit for the +1 BS from the Cognis-Signum and provide the Athanean for the bonus to Pinning.
>TS generally preferred ranged combat and saw melee as somewhat barbaric.
I suppose that's true, though I fell into the direction of Pride of the Legion with 2 Veteran squads with power swords and 1 unit of Tartaros with thunder hammers as the core of it, which naturally skews the army into melee.

What is something people tend to overlook due to all the memes?
Like, sure Iron Warriors got big artillery. But they also be storming those breaches, blade in hand

>>95932162
What if the bird strips away cover saves like the eldar birds in 40k?

>>95932381
>What is something people tend to overlook due to all the memes?
Everyone used basic bitch tacticals with boltguns as their primary infantry
Everybody

>>95932381
In book 3 or 4 they were using jetbike recon to screen their vehicles while looking for the RG survivors.
TS didn't explicitly disregard destroyers and with the pyrae they probably would have had some terrifying ones.

>>95932088
Oh, forgot to respond to the rest. That is pretty great, as far as making vehicles working goes. It seems a little awkward for some Numerologists and a Siege Breaker sitting in the middle of a squadron of tanks, but I suppose it's perfectly justifiable considering their job; especially if it's something along the lines of artillery. I'll make a theoretical list on New Recruit and keep it around (assuming my friends and I jump to 3.0 and it all transfers over). Really appreciate the suggestions.

>>95932381
>>95932397
There was a Sky-hunter build for IH in HH1 that looked like fun. Everybody assumed it couldn't be done because of their restrictions.

>>95932444
Well the numerologist comes with some bodyguards standard, and the siege breaker can just join them so the characters aren't exactly alone. The numerologist even has Battlesmith 4+ so he can fix up the tanks as well.

Had a whole TS army planned out based around this idea, to show the local TS players that their claims of TS being unplayable and guaranteed losing every game were wrong. But haven't had time to actually build it, and now this edition is about to end. Curious how it's all gonna turn out in the new edition.

>>95932381
IW don't actually prefer sitting in trenches like kriegers and use a shitton of mortals to do most of the sieging while the IWs handle the breaching

Almost every instance of that being the case were defensive battles that the IW were forced into

>>95932392
I want an edition where people bring tacticals because they're good and fun, so we do get massed bolter battles.
Instead of "It's to fulfil my tax requirements."

>>95932643
next edition seems like it might encourage that, with bolters having 2 shots and tacticals being so important for scoring

i wonder what if anything will be done to bring despoilers a little more up to par with tacticals

>>95932381
AL are often memed as having Tzeentch-level plans within plans, but they really value adaptability and independence in their troops. Also while people usually focus on their infiltration and spy stuff, the AL are just as capable in regular battle, and use EVERY available tactic against their foes. They're jacks of all trades, training in all areas of warfare - sometimes with the best of the legions that are best at it, hence the rewards of treachery.

Essentially they're Ultramarines but better

>>95932392
Is that overlooked at all? Sure, people like to play to their legion's strengths and character, but surely nobody is arguing that the Sons of Horus had more terminators than tacticals.

>>95932872
AL's shtick usually happens just at the start of the fight when they reveal just how much they infiltrated ahead of time. Once that initial shock is over they just steamroll whoever they fight or lure them into a fight where they have the advantage with obvious bait.
The first battle of Paramar was like that, their attempt to kill off the White Scars was like that. On Cthonia where they were there basically for too long they had no advantage and weren't much more useful than foot soldiers.

>>95923711
smol pathfinder and moritat and headhunter kill team AL allied group! the moritat will be a bit of an appendix relative to the pathfinder though
they will have footslogged far and seen much shit to have skulked into the final mission site
for potential appending to a world eater force which has operatives embedded inside it itself

oh and i think i'll give them an apothecary as well and maybe a rhino if i ever decide to proont one for them

>>95932892
I think it's easy for people to accidentally assume all WS are on bikes, or all Bangles have jump packs, or all WEs are despoilers, etc

What are some of those models you've painted up, and keep bringing, that just never do their job?
For me, my venator has never caused a single wound. BS4, St10, AP1, and not caused a single wound in any fight.
But I still like it, and wont drop it from my list.

>>95933018
All of them. My seekers can't land a precision shot that wounds, my dreadnoughts can kill chaff but if something important rolls up they go on strike, the tanks get picked off by sniper rifles, the veterans don't care for a fair fight, and my HQs might as well refuse a challenge for how often they cause a wound in them.
Really the most blood soaked units in my army are the fucking rhinos that seem to run every motherfucker over that the multi meltas and missiles don't obliterate.

>>95933036
multi melta rhinos are fantastic, even if it's solely to make the rhino much harder to ignore

>>95933045
I'm looking forward to seeing what combi bolters and weapons look like because if a rhino can put out 5 bolter shots and 1 special weapon shot now for fairly cheap it's gonna get fun.

I’ve done a TS destroyer/pride of the legion army with a looted AL falchion as a centerpiece, but i’m debating on what my new army should be
>AL recon company with saboteur wearing salamander false
>white scars destroyer company in candy red with a focus on slow. fire support and other shunned things WS don’t like
>late heresy zone mortalis imperial fists with small purple tertiary colors, company served extensively with EC at one point and wear the purple out of spite. Eventually become the soul drinkers and could be tied to my TS to play into the tzeentch and gene seed shenanigans they have going on in modern 40k

Pic related, legion veteran with power weapon in terran TS colors+destroyer black

>>95933146
>>95933146
>>95933146

Post stuff about your chapters/battalions!
I'm looking to make an graphic with the organization of my AL Host and would like some inspiration or examples.

So far my Host, the Ismenios Configuration, is broken up into two Cohorts: the first is the Order of the Coiled Cog and is the heavy support/exotic or experimental weaponry/mechanicum leaning element of the chapter.
The second is the Hesperios and is the more traditional infiltrating sabotage and assassination/veteran assault cadres.
They are also tasked with making sure nobody survives to speak of the tech deployed by the coiled cog, I'm picturing them as the professionals cleaning up the messes left behind by the retarded techmarines of the coiled cog after they decided to strap a nova cannon to a leviathan again

If anyone has made their own graphics of love to take a look.

>>95930740
WE predator reporting for duty

>>95932902
Paramar was AL traitors vs IW loyalists, and it was great.
Have any of the 9 HH books covered Loyal traitors vs Loyal loyalists? Or Loyal traitors vs Traitor loyalists?

>>95930680
You are retarded
Abrams, Challegner, Leo2a5 and newer (or 2a4m as shown), the ariete, and kind of the the Japanese Type 10, and ZTZ99 all incorporate sloped armor.
Anon the only thing sloped here is your fucking cranium from some form of brain trauma you suffered as a child, probably when your momma dropped you on your head.

>>95933332
nta, but all these tanks are pre-2010s designs and thus based in obsolete thinking. Drones and top attack ATGM have changed the game.
If 40k/HH were to be updated to be realistic, everybody would be hiding from servo-skulls with krak grenades

>>95933696
You mean the HK missiles or the legio cybernetica that have been in the game nearly since it's inception? Those are already in the game and had to be nerfed.

>>95927091

How accurate was the precis about Istvaan V they posted on the WarComm page anyway? It really didn't paint any of the three Primarchs in a great light. Ferrus has gone completely ragetard thanks to Fulgrim... and the other two just, let him take charge? Then he proposes the dumbest plan in history since the bodyguard of King Harold's suggestion of "Look sire, An arrow! try to catch it with your teeth!" and... the other two (Grudgingly) go along with it?
Then when their "allies" arrive... NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE HAD A PLAN FOR IF ANY OF THEM TURNED TRAITOR AS WELL.

Like... okay, Ferrus is tarding out right now, sure. And Vulkan is a great bloke, but he's just a guy with a hammer who can't die and likes to wrassle dragons, he's no tactical genius of subtle maneouver and counterplay. But Corvus? Really buddy? You didn't even consider this?

HORUS has already gone traitor, and the Emperors Children AND the Death Guard have already joined him. Surely that should have told them that ANYBODY could be a traitor right then. Nobody is surprised by Angron, but the Emperors Children? And Morty and his guys? Really?

I could even see the argument that they thought their reinforcements were trustworthy in the main. The Alpha Legion are gonna AL, and really, how many people even knew that Alpha/Omegarius were Horus's creatures, generally? Perty, being an autist is basically impossible to read and the Word Bearers have been pretending to be loyal longer than anybody and are pretty good at it by now. Sure. All that I could buy.

...but the NIGHT LORDS? REALLY? YOU THREE THOUGHT THE FUCKING NIGHT LORDS. A LEGION ONLY STILL HERE BECAUSE LEMAN RUSS GOT REDIRECTED FROM GIVING THEM A BULLET IN THE BACK OF THE SKULL TO PROSPERO. A FACT THEY DEFINITELY KNOW. ARE GOING TO BE LOYAL?

At the VERY LEAST they should have seeded their dropsite with nukes. Horus LITERALLY just showed you how well that worked.

Are they really that stupid in the books as warcom made them look?

>>95928490
I get that Kyme is primarily an editor, but man does his stuff consistently suck. Poor Salamanders, having him write literally every book about them. I don't know who butchered the primarch they're the main writer for, him with Vulkan or Gav Thorpe with Corax