What makes Warhammer, Warhammer?

>>95924037 (OP)
War and hammers.

>>95924037 (OP)
That's not a warhammer.

>>95924037 (OP)
Well, generally the war and also the--

>>95924073
Fuck

>>95924073
Warhammer is old news. Old and busted. Gentlemen, I bring you HAMMERWAR.

>>95924037 (OP)
The titular warhammer from Warhammer is probably the worst designed warhammer I've ever seen. It's made to look gritty but it's cartoonishly impractical.

>>95924264
Ball-peens unite!
>malletfags pls go

>>95924465
Even if you had the superhuman upper body strength, tendons, joints, and spine to actually wield that thing as an actual weapon, it would just bounce right the fuck off armor with the force being spread over such a huge area (I think?)

>>95924465
It's a magic hammer. Practically can go fuck itself.

>>95924465
That's sort of the entire design ethos, isn't it?

>>95924526
>it would just bounce right the fuck off armor with the force being spread over such a huge area (I think?)
This. It's got a large square pancake head, so not only would getting a "direct" hit be borderline impossible, it would be about as effective as hitting someone with a baking sheet most of the time.

If you managed to get a full-on square hit, it might be about as effective as a frying pan, so still worse than pretty much any other military weapon you could find.

The reverse spike is fat and not even pointed. It'd be marginally more effective than the other side, but still worse than a conventional warhammer.

If the hammer head was spiked like a meat tenderizer it'd be much more effective, but even still you'd want a much smaller impact area.

>>95924465
It's fine, the Dwarf who made it covered in anti-everything it runes. Anything you whack it with just explodes.

>>95924037 (OP)
>What makes Warhammer, Warhammer?
The dry British wit and shitposting. That's really the big thing. It's a setting that doesn't really take itself seriously.

>>95924645
>british wit
>What if we named the asian girl miao ying like a catgirl meow ing
>What if we named this lizard tic tac toe
>What if we named this evil chaos dude angry deathsword
>"""wit"""

>>95924489
You better choose your next words very carefully.

>>95924037 (OP)
That there's 40 thousand of them.

>>95924667
That's more wit than most authors are willing to give their works, yes. Show me the depth of Faerun.

>>95924191
>warfuck

>>95924591
There's plenty of historical hammers with large, (relatively) flat faces to them.

>>95925105

>>95924667
It's fascinating watching autists bounce off silly inconsequential jokes like Curious Geasar, like everything should be dead serious or high brow satire

>>95924667
>guffaws in british

>>95925339
That isn't a striking surface, that's so you can put your foot/hand behind the blade to drive it into something.

>>95925411
You need to draw an illustration of this medieval axe surfing.

>>95925427
In close quarters you can't use the full length, so to get power out of the blade to drive through armor in gas you need your off hand to lever it in, for an opponent on the ground you place the blade in a gap (not swing imprecisely) and then step on the back of the blade to drive it into the gap.

>>95925339
>>95925411
The flat part's also studded, meaning that you'd still get decent force if you managed to hit. Warhammer's warhammer is totally flat.

>>95924037 (OP)
2000ad and Karl Kopinski

>>95925361
>>95925392
The problem with these is they coexist in the setting with guys like SKULLFUCKER THE MURDER-MASTER who worships THE GOD OF DEATH and MURDERS CIVILIANS and RAPES THEIR SKULLS. So it comes off not as humor but complete tonal dissonance with all the edgelord shit Warhammer has going on.

>>95925518
Doesn't look like a square to me, looks like a bar.

>>95925535
>the problem
this was 80s warhammer bud
also 2000ad exists, this literally their sense of humour.
>MILLIONS ARE DEAD BY CALL ME KENNETH
the robot who loves hitler.
>Sydney De'ath
nuff said.
there's a noticeable irony to British humour where something horrible happened but it has a silly name.

>>95925535
it is a problem
for autists

>>95925518
There's plenty of flat faced historical war hammers as well.

>>95925535

>>95925569
>bad or edgy thing happens
>makes unfunny joke or pop culture reference
>call it humor
Where have I seen this before...

>>95925595
That has to be ceremonial or something, right? It would be worthless against armor for reasons stated earlier.

>>95924489
>>95924725
I've come to put an end to all your faggots.

>>95925707
Scissors beats hose.

>>95925700
>takes what he reads online as gospel
People been using heavy striking objects without spikes for thousands of years to beat each other in wars. Armour or no armour. Adding some texture to it can enhance the performance in some cases without making the weapon worse, but it's not some magical game changer that suddenly turned a harmless glance to a devastating, insides scrambling blow.

>>95925707
>Scissors
>In Hammerwars

>>95925744
>>95925770

>>95925707
You don't have the STR requirement for that, and you know it.

>>95925707
You're limiting your mobility with the compressor.

>>95925700
>>95924591
Historical weapon/armor discussion is just that image with the real greek armor labeled with all the reasons it's ineffective fantasy larp, forever.

>>95924645
>It's a setting that doesn't really take itself seriously.
Considering all adjacent media, as well as the fans, take the whole thing extremely seriously, I find that very hard to believe.

>>95925816
I am not familiar with that image but it sounds like low effort strawman cope. Reality is often stranger then fiction, on the subject of greek armor the linothorax is a good example, that shit works, also, the mordhau. I'm also not saying fantasy weapons always have to be perfectly realistic but I always will make fun of goofy cartoonish shit like the OP's hammer.

>>95925595
>>95925700
As long as the head is narrow a totally flat head could work. (tool) hammers can be dangerous for that reason, and the English used small flat mallets in the Middle Ages as weapons. The key point is small, because a hammer's entire point is focusing the impact on a small spot, giving you the best chance at either penetrating the enemy's armor or transferring enough force through it.

>>95924037 (OP) fails miserable at that since the head's both completely flat and also oversized.

>>95924037 (OP)
soul makes warhammer, warhammer
lack of soul makes warhammer, nuhammer
I'm sure you understand

>>95925855
There are types of serious. The setting itself takes it serious as in to the people in it it's reality. They don't start using cartoon logic and breaking the 4th wall. People writing it (at least try to) take it serious in the sense that they don't make it complete slapstick, even if some funny stuff gets put in. Sometimes as levity, other times as references or just the author trying to be funny. All depends on the author. Some might play with the grimderp while others try to be more down to earth with their writing. Fans can talk about the overall canon or various aspects of the setting seriously, even if they don't hold it as some serious piece of fiction.

After all, people can make and fans can talk about a children's cartoon seriously. That does not make it a serious show.

>>95925869
>a hammer's entire point is focusing the impact on a small spot, giving you the best chance at penetrating the enemy's armor

>>95924037 (OP)
I have that keychain! I also got a pin along with it.

But yeah, Usually it's a setting of grim and peril, but also at times funny, sometimes in a dark humor kind of way, other times there's something so absurd you have to just laugh. Even if there is horrific monsters out there or forces beyond one's understanding trying to get at you and your kin... ...You can always go out fighting.

>>95925908
Warhammer seems to flip flop between taking itself seriously and not taking itself seriously at all. Fantasy was bad for it, Age of Sigmar's bad for it, 40k's really bad for it. One writer will make everything a goofy nonsensical parody, another will write it like a suicide note.

>>95925931
Yeah, imagine if your serious fantasy story suddenly shifted tone.

>>95925925
I mean, yes. That's how hammers work. It's the same principle of how you can crawl across thin ice safely but walking on it will break it, because concentration of force matters. It's also why boxing gloves are shaped the way they are, to expand the hit area causing less damage than bare fists would be (to both parties). The hammer is just doing the opposite. Medieval hammers often had forward-facing protrusions on the corners of the head to focus the energy even further.

>>95925931
This is a good thing and half the reason warhammer is popular. People like it when something is both funny and also taken seriously. People also like a ridiculous, over the top design that then fights in a bloody war.

>>95925999
Nta. Even my fedora-tipping ass thinks Tolkien was absolutely based as fuck but that whole scene was a bizarre self-indulgence and Jackson was right for cutting it from the movies.

>>95926011
Hammers are not made to penetrate anything. That's what picks are for.
>It's also why boxing gloves are shaped the way they are, to expand the hit area causing less damage than bare fists would be (to both parties).
The cushion part helps with that a lot. You're also punching soft tissue, not plate armour. The whole idea of the plate is to be rigid and distribute the energy on a wider surface, no matter if it came from a small hammer head or a wide one. There's also talk of boxing gloves leading to more brain injuries, as boxers can hit their opponent on the head with less risk to their hands vs. bare knuckle boxers. Even if gloves reduce the soft tissue damage, there's still a lot of force departed to the head, jostling the brain.
>forward-facing protrusions on the corners of the head to focus the energy even further.
Idea was to give some grip so when striking at a plate armour that was angles to deflect blows, the hammer would have a smaller chance of being deflected. If your buddy puts a helmet on and you whack it with a baseball bat, adding some studs on the bat isn't magically going to make the strike with many times more force.

>>95926072
>Hammers are not made to penetrate anything. That's what picks are for.
There was way less distinction between warhammers and warpicks historically than there is in fantasy.

>>95925999
Never said this was any better. Definitely agree with >>95926026 that Tom's a bizarro addition that really didn't belong.

>>95926014
Sounds too much like Marvel shit for me. I don't find any humor in what Warhammer says is funny.

>>95926150
Marvel shit is ironic, self-debasing humor. It's looking around the room and going "heh, uhh, who writes this stuff, am I right?". It's ashamed to be what it is and feels like it has to join in with the mockery of its premise. Warhammer is just a bit funny.
>>95925866
The joke is that many people who nitpick fantasy designs are just wrong. The shadiversity effect. They think sitting around and going "pshh, that would never work..." will always make them look smart, and then it turns out people did indeed use it, and it either did work or people just didn't know better and it wasn't so bad that they had to stop.

>>95925392
>Ethelalco'ol

Kek, why have I only heard Pinacolada?

>>95926185
>Shadiversity
I've only had the misfortune of seeing one of his videos, the one where he "criticizes" the colossal swords in Elden Ring. He is indeed a faggot.

>>95924037 (OP)
It wouldn't be warhammer without people complaining about absurd prices while still paying the aforementioned price for a game who's rules they constantly bitch about.

>>95924037 (OP)
Huh, GW is bringing Warp Artefacts back?

Reminder that the "hammer" in Warhammer is no longer that one from fantasy nobody cares about.
It's Forgebreaker from the Horus Heresy and 40k.

>>95924037 (OP)
I wonder this for 40k, if there is no ghal maraz, then what exactly is the "warhammer"?

>>95926690
That's clearly not the same hammer though.

>>95926737
See >>95926690
and https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Forgebreaker

It's the thunder hammer used by Perturabo in 40k (as a Daemon Prince). Perty being somewhat a dark mirror of Sigmar is appropiate grimark for 40k.

>>95926767
How do you type being so blind?

>>95926690
That's very clearly not the same hammer.
To be fair, it's also very clearly not ghal maraz either, but still.

>>95924037 (OP)
That's more of a war mallet

>>95926767
>>95926775
repeating cope doesn't make it real, fantasyfag.

>>95926785
>schizo

>>95926789
>using inspect to edit the html
>muh schizo
>wannabe shill tactics
Pathetic

>>95926797
>he doubles down
Retarded schizo

>>95926834
>muh schizo
A more cunning shill would have recognized that ths shit doesn't work anymore since /tg/ is mostly regular posters that have seen it all. We're no longer in the 2010s, retard

>>95926855
Evidently not because you're seriously calling me a "shill" because I think a hammer looks different, and two posts disagreeing with you are enough for you to think something is being "shilled" here in the first place. I even admitted it doesn't look like ghal maraz in my post either, just said it also doesn't look like the hammer you posted.
But you're a retard. And a schizo. And a faggot. And probably brown.

>>95926878
Next time try to use a different writing style when "clearly" samefagging. You're a shill because you use typical shill bs tactics to push an idea as falsely organic and popular, instead of you being either retarded or baiting.
As if there's another hammer in all GW products that comes even close to look as their logo as Forgebreaker, lol

Now fuck off to whatever shithole you come from, subhuman

>>95924037 (OP)
>Sigmar Heldenhammer
>Sigmar holding hammer

>>95926898
>Next time try to use a different writing style when "clearly" samefagging.
literally what anybody samefagging would do
people not samefagging are not going to bother changing their style
nobody is going to bother to psyop some blind retard that thinks that hammer with a completely different shape is the one from the logo, what you are witnessing is the perfectly regular phenomenon of multiple people calling a retard retarded

>>95926898
>he triples down
Actual braindead nigger ape

>>95926922
>>95926948
You got caught and now you're butthurt about it, the end

>>95926898
It's clearly not the same hammer though.

>>95926960
>least retarded marinefag

>>95926690
Holy shit. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. A blind retard could tell that they're not the same. Did you fall on your head?
The new logo is a combination of an AoS liberator hammer and an imperial aquila, you know, the two mainline games in case you're not familiar games workshop.
And your attempts to disagree with others calling them whatever is just pathetic. Pathetic creature.

>>95926977
>>95926990
>>95927013
>still pretending to be different anons
>the shill was a butthurt AoSfag all along
it makes sense now

>>95927073
meds

>>95927073
People like you shouldn't be allowed on the internet

>>95924667
Sorry I heard catgirl and nutted, what were you saying?

>>95924037 (OP)
skulls

>>95927077
>>95927078
>now posting from different devices/browser sessions to avoid the time wait and look more organic
I'm happy that more naive anons see this, so they learn to distrust the bullshit of subhumans like you

>>95927108
>super schizo
stop embarrassing yourself

>>95927081
Sanest post for hours in this thread.

>>95925700
>It would be worthless against armor
>This historical weapon that people made to be used is le wrong because I, an obese autistic faggot, know better than them
Internet experts make this mistake all the time:The artifacts come first.
If I can't understand how an historical artifact was used then my understanding is wrong, not the artifact.

>>95925535
>So it comes off not as humor but complete tonal dissonance with all the edgelord shit Warhammer has going on.
That's because Chaos are the straight men in the setting. That's their purpose. They are aggressively edgy and serious so the whimsy of, say, German (British) stereotypes and autistic Dwarves is more obvious.

>>95925392
https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/blood-bowl-anqi-panqi-2025

>>95927162
It's peak warhammer.

>>95926690
>>95926898
Dude this is like basic graphic design. half of it is the imperial eagle, it's not that it's forgebreaker it's that forgebreaker being an EC design incorporates the imperial wing motif as well
it should be Ghal Maraz but because of 40ks popularity it makes sense.

>>95927755
source of that sculpt please

>>95925680
That'd be more impactful if warhammer was a comedy show and not like at the time 5 guys in a basement being pushed to meet deadlnes at mach speed.

>>95927771
Glutos Orscollion, Lord of Gluttony. It's a centrepiece model for Slaanesh in Age of Sigmar.

>>95927781
you know what i fucking asked anon

>>95927823
Yeah, you asked the source of the sculpt and I answered.

>>95927834
there are two sculpts in that picture my friend. can i get both of them?

>>95927838
54mm Halloween Ringtail Vixen from Kingdom Death. Suspect it might be difficult and/or expensive to get the original model now, but it's probably available from recasters.

>>95927881
thanks bud.

Fuck-off-retarded hammers have been cool since Mjolnir.

>>95926690
>it's the same picture.jpg

>>95925595
Yeah, but that one's not the size of a huge man's head. Not that I have a problem with it, though, the exaggerated aesthetic is what I love.

>>95925631
What a silly billy. You don't need to summon a lord of change into reality, you can commune with greater daemons in their disembodied forms.

Also
>demons aren't a historical idea

>>95926219
Sikspakaginiz is my favourite.

>>95925392
There's also these, but they're not as funny.

>>95926249
I preferred the one where he tried to disprove the siege tactics in KCD II by using a ladder you could buy at a hardware shop and the wooden castle he built in his back garden.

>>95927633
Yeah but that's dumb. They're not serioys either, they're just hyper edgy.

>>95925700
War hammers have 2 purposes. The spike is there to penetrate armor if you can get a decent hit in. The flat part is there to deliver blunt force through the armor without needing to penetrate it. Turns out, giving someone a concussion or internal bleeding is pretty great too.

OP's hammer is obviously impractical since a hammer of that size would be incredibly heavy. If you could wield it, the big flat head would deliver massive force over a wide area. A hit to your chest could easily break your ribs even if the armor itself would stay intact.

>fantasy where herculean demigods swing their monstrous warhammers as easily as a baseball bat
>ackchually a hammer that big is impractical and unrealistic
You know, at a certain point autism just becomes down syndrome...

>>95928461
>If you could wield it, the big flat head would deliver massive force over a wide area
The problem is you couldn't actually deliver a solid hit with it. Any which way you swung it, a large part of the hammer would glance off the target. Imagine you had a perfectly flat square pan on the end of a stick and tried hitting something with it.

>>95929946
You idiot, you've forgotten that it's a magic hammer. The bigger surface area means more magic gets whacked into the target with each swing, this is like fantasy weapons 101.

>>95924264
>Hammerwar
More like HAMWARMER

>>95930003
Yeah, but they could've made a smaller warhammer that could transfer all that magic power more effectively. They intentionally made the hammer less efficient.

>>95929946
>Any which way you swung it, a large part of the hammer would glance off the target.
Don't think physics work exactly like that.

>>95930039
A smaller surface area transfers less magic full stop, simple as.

>>95930041
Hold out your hand perfectly straight and flat, then try slapping your shoulder without bending/moving your hand. Then make a fist, point your knuckles inward, and hit your shoulder with it. That's the basic concept of force point distribution and warhammers, and why OP's is laughably bad.

>>95930096
No matter how I swing my hand, it does not magically deflect off the target. The same amount of energy is transferred to the target, just on a different sized area. If you want to minimize the area, you'd use the pick side of the hammer, not the flat side (regardless of whether it has spikes or not).

>>95924073
Fpbp

>dorks arguing the quantum mechanics of every dimension of a bonk stick

>>95930162
>The same amount of energy is transferred to the target, just on a different sized area
The larger the impact surface, the less energy is focused on a point, and the design of Warhammer's warhammer means that landing it squarely/flatly on a target is almost impossible.

>>95929851
Funny how WH has these characters swinging giant warhammers even irl strongmen struggle to swing at a reasonable pace, but then a character described as ''weirdly strong by human standards'' like say Theodore Bruckner will use your standard sword and shield albeit sized up a little

>>95930452
>less energy is focused on a point
Considering the blunt weapon is not meant to penetrate the armour, only transfer energy to it, it doesn't matter how large or small the area it is, as long as the energy is transferred.
>and the design of Warhammer's warhammer means that landing it squarely/flatly on a target is almost impossible
You do not need for the entire surface of the hammer to make physical contact for energy to get transferred.

>>95930517
>You do not need for the entire surface of the hammer to make physical contact for energy to get transferred.
No, but it's far more efficient to do so. There's a reason historical warhammers and even war mallets had smaller square or circular heads. Energy needed to be focused for the most effective impact. If there was no difference between a big flat area and small pointed area, historical hammers would've all been made like big mallets to make it easier to land general hits.

A huge flat square design will still hit things and transfer energy, but it's needlessly inefficient in doing so and will be less effective than a two-handed pole hammer with a small clawed head.

>>95930633
>If there was no difference between a big flat area and small pointed area, historical hammers would've all been made like big mallets to make it easier to land general hits.
Larger head is heavier. There's a reason war axes tend to be far lighter with thinner blades than wood felling axes. You're not relying on the weight to do the job when hacking at people. But the discussion wasn't about the weight of the weapon, just the design of the striking surface.

>>95930395
wonder if these tards also "uhm ackshually..." over comically oversized anime weapons too

Ah, so the smaller the contact point the more energy is transmitted over a smaller surface area and the more powerful the strike. I think I understand now.

>>95931335
How hot is the wielder?

>>95924037 (OP)
Two PPCs, two Medium Lasers, two Small Lasers, one SRM-6 and two Machine Guns.

>>95924037 (OP)
You call that cheap toy a warhammer? HO!

THIS is a true hammer, one that smashes stars into paste.

>>95925535
You just hate fun

>>95925931
Can the resident culture war experts agree on what did the most damage to Warhammer overall, Steampunk Dwarfs, Female Custodes, Newcrons, or Cathay/Miao Ying?

>>95936208
>what did the most damage to Warhammer overall
GW

>>95936208
Cathay.
Steampunk Dwarves are whatever, Female Custodes are bad but like, who the fuck actually cares about Custodes lmao, and Newcrons are honestly kind of a sidegrade.
But Cathay just fucking sucks.

>>95936115
No, he's right. Warhammer is cringe for anyone who is mentally older than 17.

>>95936462
You are also joyless

>>95936587
Whatever you say, edgelord.

>>95936587
Not him but Warhammer lore's incredibly stupid. It's pretty much advertised as being stupid.

>>95926249
His video on Winterfell from asoiaf was alright

>>95926772
it doesnt have the arc on the bottom

>>95931347
Really, the only question is why GW chose a crude and uncouth warhammer over the noble, sophisticated katana.

>>95925788
Fläshyn

>>95925788
You're limiting your power and operational time even more with the battery.

>>95938148
There's a reason assault rifles won over water cooled heavy machine guns.

>>95938295
Battery powered tools are for hobbyists, anyone doing real work uses a corded variant. The only exception is a battery powered drill for assembling stuff like cabinetry.

>>95938364
And M16s were toys made by Mattel.

>>95938388
That's got nothing to do with power tools.

>>95938446
>comes to thread talking about war hammers
>thinks we're talking about hammers in the context of construction and renovation
A soldier can carry multiple batteries and have fresh ones delivered to them while the empty ones are recharged. A trade-off to make the hammer lighter and more mobile. Meanwhile, a pneumatic hammer needs a compressor, which in turns needs a power source, be it electricity or petrol. Making it a much heavier and unwieldy. More of a specialist weapon.

>>95938894
Noone in the history of ever has needed a battery powered jackhammer, that is an incredulous waste of money, anywhere you could use it you'd have the means to use a real jackhammer.

>>95939084
Nobody has gone to war with a pneumatic jackhammer either, faggot.

>>95936462
it's cringe for anyone that tries too hard to be (autists)

>>95939111
I don't think you've polled the middle east and africa hard enough.

>>95925931
Even real life isn't serious 24/7 or goofy 24/7. Sometimes you go to church, sometimes you go to Wrestlemania.

>>95926026
>Jackson was right for cutting it from the movies.
Thank you. What a lot of Tom fans don't seem to understand is that in a shift of mediums you also need to change pacing and tone.
Long novels are meant to be read over the span of a week or two, reading bits and taking breaks. Spending time mulling over what the author meant by certain passages and choices in pacing, and what those choices mean to you. Not just power through it with a bucket of popcorn.
I would fucking love to see a good live action adaptation of the Tom chapters, but they would have been too much of a distraction for the movies.

>>95931347
As silly as this scene is, the light novel its based on actually calls out that the katana is traditionally made from such cheap metal that in the fantasy world they're in they had to develop magical forging techniques so that they could keep up with mainlander weapons. The main character is just a super prodigy at doing it.

>>95936208
Primarchs.

>>95924115
>That's not a warhammer.
true, it's the WARHAMMER

>>95924037 (OP)
British cynicism.

>>95930010
underrated post

>>95924037 (OP)
Warhammer is the 80s. It's the product of the exact instant when society ran off the cliff of authenticity, and began its sharp, radical decline into post-authentic irony. It's the Wile-E-Coyote shaped cloud of the late 80s that remained in place while everything plummeted downwards through the 90s and the 2000s into today.

To understand Warhammer 40k, you must understand that it is simultaneously ironic and unironic. It is simultaneously satire, and heartfelt exultation. It is simultaneously ridiculous and serious. Its beauty is that it is all things to all people, it contains ridiculous things, but it also contains shocking and beautiful depictions of humanity that cannot be ridiculed honestly. It is a cynical cashgrab, but written for by people who genuinely love it. It is retrograde and badly designed, but it is beloved and played by millions.

To put it a more simple way, 40k is not so much a discrete thing or collection of things, but a place, or a direction, which things may fall into, but may never supplant.

>>95924037 (OP)
grimderp and big hats

>>95924037 (OP)
To crush your wallets
See your OC driven before you
and to hear the lamentations of the pay piggies!

>>95942488
The actual true answer.

>>95948270
This is what I always have to remember when I'm running something in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, or the various Warhammer 40k RPGs. That the setting is stupid, and the people are often stereotypes or the punchline to a shitty pun/joke - but they're still people, trying to get on with it. Whenever I want to get into the mood for running Warhammer, I watch Life of Brian.

>>95924037 (OP)
in time of war every hammer is warhammer
some are just better at it

>>95948270
>>95949158
This is a good explanation, thank you anon. I don't like Warhammer myself but this is decent insight on why some people might. It's a certain style you either find engaging or you don't.

>>95924037 (OP)
I would argue that the forces of Chaos vs the forces of Order (Empire, Dwarves, Elves, etc in Fantasy, and the Imperium in 40k) is the defining feature. Absent Chaos, each setting is much more generic fantasy/scifi. The existential threat of Chaos, and how damn near every faction somehow interacts with it, is the defining feature of the Warhammer franchise, alongside the corresponding grimdark tone this creates.

>>95954263
I miss Ork tanks.

use in war

>>95948270
Even people who hate 40k find 40k useful as a sort of lagrange point of what they dislike in gaming. If 40k didn't exist, it would be necessary to create it in order to have any discussion about tabletop gaming today.

>>95936208
>Steampunk Dwarfs,
Gigabased
> Female Custodes,
Good idea bad execution
> Newcrons,
Gigabased
> or Cathay/Miao Ying?
Too new to say but I'd wager it's this one if TOW proves to have any legs. Once the chinkshit gets a foothold you can never dial it back or tone it down without a massve insect revolt.

>>95936208
Female custodes opens up a fuckhueg plothole in everything

Just off the top of my head: Why didn't dark age humanity just engineer themselves to be custodes-level demigods? The Emperor didn't even engineer the space marines alone and the custodes are far more complex than space marines, he most definitely didn't do it alone.

>>95936208

The outright hostility that GW shows to its fans, constantly.

>>95924037 (OP)
being based

>>95924667
Miao is an actual Chinese word you fucking mongoloid. Miao Ying has no relation to cargirls other than you hearing a word that sounds like "meow" and making that leap yourself.

>>95924115
neither is that, thats a war pick for the english and a iron hammer for the french

>>95924037 (OP)
>What makes Warhammer, Warhammer?
flying wheelchairs wheeeeeeeeee!

>>95976880
>thats a war pick for the english and a iron hammer for the french
That's one hammer shown from 3 angles.

Your mother's disappointment at the trajectory of your life.

>>95924037 (OP)
Campy over the top fantasy battles with no true regards for serious realism and/or actual numbers

>>95977970
I don't care about the opinions of a crackwhore.

>>95954263
>I would argue that the forces of Chaos vs the forces of Order (Empire, Dwarves, Elves, etc in Fantasy, and the Imperium in 40k) is the defining feature.
I feel this line of thinking forgets the prevalence of Greenskins/Orks in both settings, as showcased by the very picture you posted.

Honestly, I also feel this line of thinking is what led to the End Times among other things.

Chaos is important and serves as a good "ultimate evil" kind of threat but if it is treated too directly, it can easily end up suffocating the rest of the setting.

>>95978553
You're right, but at the same time I think that other anon is also correct in that the struggle of the good/protagonist factions against Chaos is the defining feature of Warhammer. You snip out the xenos and other non-Chaos threats and the settings basically carry on as normal, you snip out Chaos and you have to massively re-write damn near everything.

Though I do agree that the game(s) have focused too much on the threat of Chaos to the exclusion of everything else, which is wrapped up with the other large problems of everything being turned into almost comic book storytelling of good named important character vs. evil named important character battling for the fate of the universe or what have you.

>>95978745
>You snip out the xenos and other non-Chaos threats and the settings basically carry on as normal
That's why I specifically took the example of Orks. I agree that Tyranids, Necrons, Dark Eldar or Tau do not have enough importance on their own to change the nature of the setting by being there, but I feel 40k without Orks would not be 40k, and that's even more true with Fantasy.

Ultimately, I think what defines Warhammer is this kitchen sink of stereotypes, themes and factions being in constant conflict. I'd even argue the grimdarkness itself is less a defining feature and more a direct consequence of the true defining feature that is this constant state of war (which is why Fantasy often feels less grimdark than 40k: it's easier to include smaller-scale skirmishes even between somewhat friendly factions in a fantasy setting, when battles in a sci-fi setting feel more likely to imply total war). The main defining feature of Warhammer isn't Chaos, it's chaos.

>>95936407
>Cathay sucks
Really? Looks like new kino to me

>>95980212
>kino
I have never seen anyone worth listening to use that word.

>>95981410
Unironic use of it tends to be a good sign that the person using it shouldn't be listened to. Except in the context of specifically cinema, in which case it's marginally acceptable.
Spelling "Soul" with a V instead of U is 100% accurate though. No one that does that unironically has anything to say that's worth listening to.

>>95978745
AoS actually did a decent job in 2e of having chaos take a backseat to the threat of Nagash and his lackeys, and they TRIED to do that in 3e with the forces of destruction (Orcs, goblins, ogres, etc) but they kinda... forgot to actually do anything with that for basically the entire edition, save towards the very end.

>>95924037 (OP)
Pauldrons and skulls

>>95924037 (OP)
The skaven.

>>95980212
I'd love to use one to make some terrain, but I'm not fucking paying £100.

>>95924667
Also Belakor killed all the catgirls. They were part of the great plan in Nippon but Belakor killed them all. He also killed all talking horses and sank Mallus’s Australia equivalent .

>>95924037 (OP)
Hit and wound rolls.

>>95924037 (OP)
It used to be the cool art, but it doesn't have that anymore. Making your artist scrub their signature off their work has been the death knell of aesthetic not just in TTRPG but in all things. Thank you corporate culture.

>>95994169
Lewis Jones wouldn't be out of place along side the classic warhammer artists.

>>95981961
AoS swapped the chaos-wank for archaon-wank. Instead of the chaos gods being the all powerful uber important center of everything that will end all reality, that's archaon's role now, and inexplicably he's stronger than every single other character/god and is completely unkillable/unstoppable, to the point now sigmar and nagash hide from him and the chaos gods just hope he eventually gets bored and kills himself.

As bad as chaos's overemphasis was, somehow archaon's wankery is worse. At least you can sorta reason that gods could be super strong. Archaon is quite literally just an r/atheism mod with daddy issues. They never once bother to explain how he became the invincible hyperpower of the setting.

>>95931382
fuck me SMBC never misses

>>95995363
>>95981961
The only thing I remember distinctly from AoS lore is that GW did a hard-flip on the Old World roles, so that the uncountable forces of Order are invading the diabolical lands of Chaos. Which is rather funny, if you think about it. People were so annoyed that Norsca apparently held millions upon millions of battle-hardened warriors thrown in endless waves upon the walls of Middenheim and Altdorf, that James decided to see how people would react if it was now Stormcast Eternals being the endless shiny super-soldier army.

>>95994695
this is terrific, and if it werent for the spikes, i wouldnt know that they're chaos lol

>>95924115
Ghal Maraz a Dwarfen warhammer, hence why it looks the way it does, it's also imbued with lots of magical runes so make it a fierce weapon regardless of it's size and overall design