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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: Are you making any vehicle commanders with the new rules change?

>TQ
Not unless they make a legendary boros vehicle in EoE

No

>>95932714 (OP)
none of the existing legendary vehicles seem particularly interesting (or viable) as commanders, and Spaceships inspire a visceral hatred deep within my soul

>>95932714 (OP)
>TQ: Are you making any vehicle commanders with the new rules change?
>rules change?
What change? I was already planning to build Bello vehicles or pic related. Good changes or bad?

>>95932734
>Spaceships inspire a visceral hatred deep within my soul
But spaceships and astronauts are the magic aesthetic now. Direct your hate toward UB instead with their shitty elves and wizards.

>>95932744
Legendary Vehicles can be your Commander

>>95932749
I can hate UB and modern pop culture hat sets in equal measure

>TQ
only if wotc gets space battleship yamato
or gundam
or (imo more likely) a popular gacha game like honkai star rail, picrel

>>95932752
So, vehicles always count as creatures now or is this just a rules change specifically made to push product to EDH players?

>>95932764
They still need to be crewed before they get to be creatures, but it's a rule change to specifically allow the new iteration (Spaceships) to be commanders

>>95932764
just a rules change specifically made to push product to EDH players

>>95932764
just a rule change, every legendary vehicle basically has genesis engine's clause.

>The entire next plot arc is going to be Bolas throwing a tantrum that Narset and Jace walked in on him getting his ass plowed by Ugin.
>Ugin's going to continue being a useless fucker and instead of just telling everyone "He's upset you saw us having sex and just wants you to promise not to tell anyone, but has trouble expressing himself because he's emotionally repressed," he's going to continue being so useless that he'll end up making Sorin look like he did all the lifting.

>>95932714 (OP)
>TQ
Probably won't be making any actual vehicle commander decks but I have been getting more interested in making some vehicle decks.

My current playgroup has gotten bigger such that we often have 5-6 people which is suboptimal for getting in multiple games as a standard commander game, and so I've tried out Emperor a few times but it's had some real issues, mostly in the pseudo 1v1 format where a bad matchup means you can just get run over without actually getting to play at all. I've made a few modifications combined and would like some feedback. Obviously certain decks are better fits for the General Vs. Emperor role, but I feel like this equalizes things a bit better.

>>95932764
Basically all Legendary Vehicles have "Can be your commander" but otherwise function as normal. Some have speculated this is to pave the way for some future UB set in space like Star Trek or Wars to have extra push for EDH

I still can't believe Space Wars is a real set.

>>95932764
Any legendary card that has a P/T on the front face can be your commander now, is the specific rule.
So, no balamb or elbrus commanders yet

>>95932714 (OP)
>TQ
Titanic is actually really fun.
>have power doubler or damage doubler effects
>lob your titanic cruise missile at a player
>Get a ton of treasure
>immediately able to bring back your titanic missile to keep doing the same thing. Probably even enough to abuse multi combats if you have them and haste
>Flying and trample+large power making it hard to not take damage from it
>add some haste (super hard for red!) and you're just casting titanics and immediately lobbing them at people like you're fucking Ghandi in civ. Feeling like one of the more viable vehicle commanders.

>>95932778
>Some have speculated this is to pave the way for some future UB set in space like Star Trek or Wars to have extra push for EDH
Seems unnecessary. Those will obviously end up being spaceships. So they could have just made the rule exclusively for spaceships.

>>95932781
I prefer it to "niche Gen X furry kids novel set"

>>95932764
Rules change just to push product to EDH, it only applies to choosing your commander, and is there to open the way to planeswalkers in command zone.

>>95932797
for UB purposes vehicles are included because mecha definitely aren't spaceships

>>95932778
>>95932797
it's been staring us all in the face!

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>95932714 (OP)
>TQ: Are you making any vehicle commanders with the new rules change?
RMS Titanic, gonna build it as an unblockable nuclear warhead. Launches, one-hit KO someone, reload it and launch again with all the treasures

>>95932815
based. Doing the same. It is fun as fuck.

>>95932802
>do the desparkening so people can use their favorite Planeswalkers as commanders
>print more flipwalkers so you can play EVEN MORE of your favorite Planeswalkers as commanders
>drastically reduce the number of planeswalkers being printed
>half the sets every year have zero planeswalkers
they're doing everything in their power to avoid answering demand for all Planeswalkers to be commanders

>Finally get a jund insect commander that's better than Xira
>It's arguably the worst precon commander in the past 12 months
>Basically impossible to build around it because of all the safety valves
>It's gonna play second fiddle to a fucking spaceship anyway
It feels like they want to cater to the insect tribal crowd to sell them cards, but they don't want them to be in any way relevant in any format.

Zubera tribal?

>>95932819
since planeswalkers can't engage in combat their only real use in the command zone is to be a combo piece, a tutor, or some i win condition, like nicol bolas dragon god once you sweep everything
wotc (and really everyone, PWs as commanders were never that popular) wants nerds duking it out in combat, flipwalkers are the best we're going to get

>>95932823
>>Basically impossible to build around it because of all the safety valves
This is what really pisses me off about magic design

>>95932818
hell yeah bro I'm fucking stoked

>>95932823
>It's arguably the worst precon commander in the past 12 months
not as bad as this was

>>95932829
Updoot and gold to you friendo!

>>95932842
Do you have any list yet? I'm having a hard time finding good creatures for the deck that aren't just generic good creatures.

>NO! HAVING MORE OPTIONS AND VARIETY IS CRINGE!!!

>>95932843
people still show up to my LGS with saheeli or pia. at the very least the precon itself has a bunch of good energy cards.

>>95932855
this but unironically. Choice is bad

>>95932853
Nah I just came up with the idea yesterday. Need to finish the two decks I'm working on atm and then I'm gonna start it. Plenty of options for unblockable outside of blue, which definitely helps

>love chocobos as a kid
>been meaning to build a lands deck
Guess I'm gonna be building this next, probably bling it out too. Anything interesting to put in or is it a build itself type of deck?

>>95932744
Anthems seem so weak nowadays. Makes me sad.

>>95932855
Yes. Changing the rules to push product is bad.

>>95932878
there are dozens of super cheap birds out there, and their mom

When do living weapons get to be commanders?

>>95932878
There's a bunch of new "landfall: create a bird" cards from the FF sets. They help a ton

>>95932878
the green chocobos help, understandably
I get that more birds are blue than red but wish he was naya instead

>>95932886
Sex with hoversluts

>>95932887
weapons being held by germs get to be commanders at the same time weapons held by rebels or heroes do.

>>95932887
when wotc gets the appropriate IP it'll be rolled out
the P/T requirement in vehicles/spacecraft is no coincidence, picrel

>>95932886
Almost forgot about her, thanks. Probably add in pic related too.
>>95932889
>>95932896
I can see a lot of the cards I'd be wanting will be generating tokens, so might dedicate a couple slots to that.

>>95932855
Yes. A tight well designed game with a much smaller card pool would objectively be better than a game with 20000 worthless cards and a few thousand ones that vary widely between playable to okay to great to broken.

>>95932882
Most retarded boomer pearl clutching take I've seen in a long time.

>>95932917
You should have stopped playing magic in 1995 then, commander has never been like this. You are a retard and your opinion will be discarded.

Shandalar (1997) was peak MTG.

>>95932867
I decided to eschew unblockable and just go full in on haste and double damage/power abilities as much as I could. Having flying means blocking it will be harder. Doubling to 14 or doing triple damage so they'll still take a bunch.
Ideally by turn 5 I want to have a creature to crew, have a haste enabler, and have something to double damage.

I might consider multi-combat, too. It may sac itself but when you get a dozen or more treasures, you can just recast it and do it again if you have haste.

My current list. Warning that this is rough and much of it is me guessing shit and combing scryfall. Still testing.

https://moxfield.com/decks/dhm9E8Xw4UadV14U1XhadA

>>95932925
>point out how your opinions are cringe
>have a cringe melty in response confirming my post

>>95932919
he's right, especially since this rule change is all but explicitly intended to push product. It's exactly what people were concerned about when Wizards took over for the RC.

>every set has a new keyword ability, this is changing rules
>every set is bad
It all make sense.

>>95932933
>you can just recast it and do it again if you have haste.
and when are you doing that

>>95932927
Shandalar (using the most recent 'add every magic card' mod) was peak MTG.

>>95932933
I'm definitely going for the more thematic approach. Nukes can't be stopped, they're inevitable once launched. Gives you just enough time to wave goodbye

>>95932946
>Nukes can't be stopped, they're inevitable once launched
>must have crew that don't get removed
>must have a haste enabler like greaves
>hope no one has flying blockers
>hope no one has removal
>hope you can do this for 3 turns to kill 1 player
lol
as an aside i hope doctor who gets cancelled so gavin can have a good cry

>>95932941
You get two main phases.

>>95932961
Laughably terrible bait.

>>95932961
>must have a haste enabler
A real fucking hard ask in red. You can have a creature who can crew AND gives haste at the same time.

>>95932961
>must have a haste enabler like greaves
in red?????? There's like 100 fucking cards that do it you fuckin moron

>>95932961
My god man it's the casual format. We're not playing Modern here. There's room for a hail mary.

>>95932968
>>95932970
name some 3 power red creature cards that can give haste to another creature every turn without tapping so they can also crew, bonus points if that creature happens to be cmc 3 or lower so you can ram the ship on curve

Golden Argosy if you could give it a color would be great FACT

>>95932961
>someone posts deck
>REEEEE YOUR DECK IS GARBAGE
Damn I wonder why people just talk about sex or swordbro.

Do you think it has potential as commander?
How about Esika's Chariot?

>>95932997
>call your deck an unstoppable nuke
>tell you that it's not
>aaaahhh you hate casual
lol trust me this'll be one of those "build, pilot twice, disassemble" kinds of decks

>>95933006
the funny thing is nukes are also not unstoppable. So it fits.

>>95933002
an overall worse teneb the harvester
sure why not

>>95932966
it really does seem like the kind of deck that seems way better in theory than it is in practice. At best it just seems like a mediocre Voltron strategy.

I play big dragon and turn it sideways.

>>95933023
This is why we have brackets anon.

>>95933026
A guy was acting passive aggressively mad at me the other week because he thought my deck's bracket was higher than his.

What the fuck do I do with this exactly?

>>95933026
and what bracket does strapping swords to a boat that kills itself fall into

>>95933026
even as a bracket 1 it fails, because voltron is the last thing the doctor who titanic is supposed to be
>btw wotc getting the actual voltron/golion in UB would be kino

>>95933037
>it is another: anon does not understand a deck at all
And yes the fact you mention using swords indicates this.

>>95933002
yeah, but that potential is going to be the same monoblack reanimator targets it has been for the past 7 years.
esika's is also fine, but it's monogreen populate.

>>95933035
You keep asking this, and you keep getting told, fuck off.

Anyone else building? Looking for some good card recs

>>95933039
>a flying 7/1 trample flyer that makes broken ass tokens can't win against chair tribal
Beggin you to play a game anon.

>>95933041
swords are not game changers and are perfectly acceptable even in bracket 1, such as in a joke deck about strapping swords to a boat to turn it into a nuke

>>95933047
What the fuck am I supposed to do with this exactly?

>>95933053
bracket 1 isn't about winning though, it's about sending a message
even chair tribal can be hilarious in a white nerdy kind of way, a vergil chair meme altered proxy is also bound to be in there somewhere
meanwhile killing people with commander damage is just about the most unimaginative thing you can do in bracket 1

>>95933063
I really don't see the Titanic concept winning many games. You'll kill one person then either get hated off the board or your game plan fizzles because you blew all your pump spells on the funny nuke.

>>95933068
yep not only is it just gonna be a kingmaker it's neither an efficient or even a "lore accurate" one

>>95933037
I can tell you did not look at the list.

How to make him work as a family friendly commander?

>>95933051
heroes' reuinion

>Tfw stayed up until 4am last night teaching my buddies how to play commander but no one even realized how late is was because everyone was having such a good time
the good news is i can finally play commander with my friends, the unfortunate part is all 3 of them want sephiroth decks

>>95933086
I miss those days
Now every game ends in an argument

>>95933068
That sounds like a typical Voltron problem and it can be solved. It needs blockers and protection and when you hit something you're going to get a hilarious amount of treasures to do something with. Post-combat main is going to be the most important phase of this deck.

>>95933086
I think Sephiroth's art is going to convince me to finally build a mono black deck

>>95933096
>only with the power of IP can anons stomach the uncreativeness of mono black
thanks UB!

>>95933096
How is it even possible to play the game when 1 or 2 opponents resolve this IMO

>>95933096
I'm building it now because I have this art

>>95933078
what list, like ten equips to give it unblockable? Swords absolutely fall into that same general purpose. He's clearly going at it from a Voltron angle.

>>95933104
Nah, other shit in universe cards have tempted me solely due to art.

>>95933107
bringing lots of removal and killing them first

>>95933115
tempted yes, but only sephiroth made you commit to the bit
UB is correct, IP can truly move mountains

>>95933118
retard

>>95933095
the problem is a lot of that mana has to go into recasting and re-equipping Titanic, and at least some of the blockers have to get tapped down so Titanic can actually attack.

>>95933091
i honestly stopped playing for a while because i couldnt find a consistent group, and every group of randoms i tried to play with would leave after one game when someone slightly got ahead
so having a few drinks and just playing was fucking great
>>95933096
i love mono black, and my favorite character is mono black so im excited to build him
all my friends are huge ff7 fags so they all picked up the cloud decks also, so they first 2 decks they all want is cloud and sephiroth, except one buddy who wants a kefka deck
i want to build a strong emet selch deck but i probably wont be able to play it much until everyone gets used to the game

I wonder what swordbros latest deck is

>>95932997
My decks are proxied and I don't want to trigger anti-proxyschizo.

Just imagine if hasbro bought the license to print The legend of zelda cards...

People and scalpers with murder each other for collector boosters .

Imagine a 1/1 Mastersword .

Lotr and ff combined would hold no sway over that shit storm.

Unironically I would get the thicc imp card.

>>95932831
Can't wait until we see Ugin & Bolas, LGBT Instructors in Secrets of Strixhaven.

>>95933141
>LGBT Instructors
You mean because homosexuality is learned behavior?

>>95933144
Yes Bolas learned he was gay when he saw Ugin's hips.

>>95933137
you showing a card from that treehugger rag known as ikoria already triggers my storytelling sensibilities

>>95933134
trip back on

>>95933156
>you showing a card from that treehugger rag known as ikoria
lolwut

>>95933134
screw that, I wonder what that anon who was making a deck for each 1, 2, and 3 color combo ended up making since the list he posted had some tentatives on it.

>>95933166
ikoria has by far the worst story in all of mtg with the coppercoats being literal strawmen and the bonders unable to do any wrong, no nuance and all propaganda

>play mtg with my usual sunday pod
>good games, brain kinda mush
>get home, DMs from a friend
>he wants to take me up on my offer to teach him
>play three more 1v1 games on TTS until he has the ropes of playing the game down
>brain now even more mush
My pulls from the LGS vig were truly out of this world, too. What a nice day.

>>95933174
which politics is this?

>>95933181
Top left

will ff coolector boxes real 2k+ ? for real the us/can market is utter shit scalper paradise. Totally disgusting.

>>95933123
Best I can figure playing around is to get it Flash with Shimmer Myr and other stuff to recast it with multiple combats and effects that go off when you connect.

There's maybe something there, but it's gonna take some cooking.

>>95933184
sure it was anon

>>95933185
they're collector boxes, they're not getting reprinted

>>95933181
ikoria was really weird "nature good, humans bad"
the humans are fighting a losing battle against giant monsters, but the humans are actually the bad guys except the humans that like monsters that everyone trusts implicitly.

>>95932997
>>95933137
Do it anyway. Fuck 'em.

>>95933188
hasbro is retarded if they dont.

>>95933185
yes because people in the US are rich because their economy is good.
>no it is bad
If it was bad you couldn't afford 1000 dollar boxes and 8000 dollar disney trips.

>>95933191
hasbro is maybe the most retarded company in the US

>>95933187
actually it's bottom left

>>95933190
I need to take a picture of my doctor who deck with the gay sol ring in it. Seethe is fun.

>>95933194
Blizzard entertaiment... hold my onions latte.

Trying to finish out the list for Baylen, looking for some hidden gems or better optimization. I know I definitely need to find a way to slot in lifegain, and I probably want to figure out better protection and card draw. Mana is just placeholder until I figure out the rest of the ratios

>https://archidekt.com/decks/14008936/baylen

>>95933200
blizzard at their dumbest is still smarter than the rewarmed tuna surprise that exists in the heads of every hasbro c-suite executive

>>95933198
>gay sol ring
>seethe is fun
weird flex
you're far more likely to play with pro lgbt white dudes than any chud out there

>>95933211
Oh I own the card because I really like the artist and even own some of her art work. The seethe is a bonus for posting a picture of the deck here.

>>95933190
ai slop fetches are insane

>>95933223
you proxied an mtg card so you might as well proxy people's art through AI while you're at it

Do you think the format will still exist in five years?

>>95933190
Based coomette enjoyer

>>95933232
But what does an anime sloppa have to do with Arid Mesa

>>95933238
>what does ai art have to do with proxies
a lot actually, funnily enough

>>95933234
Yes.
I was told magic would die due to angels not being white people.
This was 2017

>>95933246
Maybe it already is dead, due to angels not being white people.

>>95933190
I disapprove of the norn. Turning her Human is wrong. She is a sexy monster girl mommy.

>>95933234
the format is going nowhere

Will it be enjoyable, or will we see a fracture into sub-formats to try and solve the new issues with Brackets and game design? Who knows, but I'm already seeing variant games at my local shop.

>>95933252
We are all dead
This is hell

>>95933259
the world truly ended in 2012. There was a rapture, but none were found worthy.

This is hell.

>>95933232
i have nothing against proxies, i just hate ai slop

>>95933246
all of the residents of shiv should've been bleached white since coming out of the rift, it only makes magical sense

>>95933238
She's out there belly dancing in the desert until she dies of dehydration, which of course, is very quickly. Lots of boob sweat.

>>95933238
Hinata enjoyer

>>95933267
just be honest and say you're ok with "stealing" from corporations and not ok with "stealing" from individual artists (provided those artists have the right way of thinking ofc)

>>95933276
gooner proxies are meta as fuck anon. I wonder if some lgs will kick someone over these or even ban them.

>>95933288
My personal lgs just asked me not to use them if any kids go up against me.
I doubt most stores will have much of a different stance unless they already have a hard line on proxies in general.

is burn and underworld breach the only decent way to build clive

>>95933282
your god damn right, ai just also looks like shit

>>95933312
>ai just also looks like shit
it's just been 2 years since chatgpt blew up btw
it's only going to get much better

>>95933321
there was a youtuber that made an entirely AI generated video, just to see if people would notice, and it took a LONG fucking time for people to realize it wasn't him, if they even caught it at all.

We're about 1-1.5 years out from AI hitting the threshold where it can truly compete with actual artists. Which is a terrifying thought, when you can already have AI generate an incredibly strong base to then modify through in-painting and overlays.

>>95933288
A non-shit store doesn't do shit unless someone complains.

>>95933347
practically speaking the only time people will complain is if someone is actually shameless enough to use proxies in wotc sanctioned events, or even in FNMs where packs are involved, it only takes one (1) guy to complain and shame your name out of the hobby

>>95933368
thankfully this is an edh thread

>>95933370
>FNMs are becoming EDH now
>why do you think wotc made brackets

>>95933377
These are a minority. Vast majority of EDH events you will find are just "come in and find a pod"

>>95933368
or the store cares about public image.

there's 2 in my town, that have some serious bad blood between eachother. the one on main street allows full proxies, and the slut art, and I'm amazed he stays in business. It's always empty except for the weekly EDH tourney, where the same 3 people show up with decks built to stomp and farm points.

The other shop, towards the town center, is constantly packed, and caters towards a bunch of groups (Lorcana, MTG, Pokemon, OP, etc) and has a strict "proxy, but only if its SFW" policy, since there's kids there a lot of the time. They're the ones that get all the real business, and chased off the assholes showing up to casual nights with Yuriko and friends.

>>95933384
>They're the ones that get all the real business
would that shop happen to sell overpriced food?

>It's ridiculous to be against Universes Beyond. People can play whatever they want. They can have characters from comics and movies on their cards if they like. Nobody has to adhere to your narrow ideas of a medieval fantasy card game. Just deal with it.
>Okay, I'm going to play proxies with big titted anime girls on them and also give them big, throbbing, veiny co...
>No! You can't do that! That will make people uncomfortable! You're BANNED forever from playing magic! aadiagsdiagduasgdasgdasddasdyxcxvvsvsdf

>>95933234
No, most likely not. Wizards is doing its level best to kill the game by only caring about short-term profits over the long-term health of the game.

>>95933393
proxies are such a slippery slope it's hilarious more people don't see it

>>95933398
banning proxies are such a slippy slope it's hilarious people don't see it

>>95933393
This but replace all goblins with shortstack bimbo proxy art

>>95933399
>banning proxies are such a slippy slope
>doesn't elaborate
thankfully this is an anonymous board where you can just leave, whew!

It's hard to get appropriate art for proxies.

>>95933403
When you ban proxies you just encourage someone to use counterfeits. Rather than paying 5000 dollars for card board they are more likely to just get cards that LOOK real. Instead of obvious fake titty cards and shit. Now you have convincing fakes floating around because you wanted to stop proxies.

>>95933392
Nope, they sell cheaper than the other store. Water bottles are .50c there, sodas are .75c a can, 1.50 a bottle, and $2 for energy drinks. Though they did partner with a local independent baker that brings in cake balls and other stuff that sell a bit higher. They still have the $1 chips and other candies

They also actively check the prices on their cards. Bought an Orcish Bowmaster from them for $25, and a Unlimited edition Stasis from them for $26. Orcish was below market, because they hadn't updated the display and honored their listed, and Stasis was reduced from $35 because they hadn't checked it in a bit

>>95933398
This but UB

>>95933409
most of the decks you play against are already counterfeits anon.

>>95933393
s-swordbro??

>>95933411
>so they sell food after all
not surprised at the least lmao
knowing what business you're in is key after all, best of luck to those "cardgame stores"
>>95933414
also correct

>>95933430
the actual fuck are you trying to say? Why wouldn't a shop stock some cheap snacks to sell to the people sitting and playing for hours?

>>95933409
>when you ban low quality counterfeits you only encourage people to buy high quality counterfeits!
roru rumao
the high quality ones are well worth their price, everybody wants to play with a clean looking card
it's the low quality ones that are the real scams

>>95933434
believe it or not card games originally weren't set up to sell food
the card game stores you talk about aren't actually card game stores, but nerdy cafes

>>95933440
I'd kill for a nerdy cafe. Buying a bag of doritos and a monster doesn't make a place not a card shop.
Or do you think a college is a restaurant because you can walk up to a vending machine for a mtn dew?

>>95933443
a college is a legal diploma mill, the product is the diploma and the degree, and they profit through student loans
>I'd kill for a nerdy cafe. Buying a bag of doritos and a monster doesn't make a place not a card shop.
if people can proxy anything why would anyone buy your overpriced original cardboard?
well, that's not a problem if the cardboard on your shelf isn't actually your product

https://howardowens.com/youre-not-in-the-railroad-business-youre-in-the-news-business/

>>95933398
I proxy basics.

What is just an easy budget fun deck that isn't really gonna piss anyone off and doesn't cost more than $100 memedecks are welcome but I just need a true bracket 2 fun

>>95933474
sephara sky's blade

>>95933474
xyris or sergeant john benton are the ultimate budgeteers

>>95933436
I'll pay 1$ to have a solid version of a proxy instead of a paper print out just slid into a sleeve with some random bulk card
I played a lot of cedh though so I'm used to everyone using proxies, some make their own nice ones

Did your favorite character get a good card? Mine is pretty decent though I wish she had a main set multi color legendary.

>>95933494
She didn't get one....

>>95933491
i'm perfectly fine with 100% proxy cedh, because at that point authenticity and genuineness of cards to prove your love of (IP) doesn't matter anymore, but only pure performance

>>95933491
shelling out for the custom playing cards order for staples and big ticket cards i only have 1 of was one of the best investments i ever made.
If anyone wants to bitch that my Rhystic or Ring isn't "real", I can just pull out the little binder and tell them to fuck off.

>>95933494
As a FF6fag, I'm eating good. Sure, 7 and 10 got literally everything handed to them on a silver platter, but my god are the main set Terra and Kefka so damn good. Plus, I got Amano art for both of them, TWICE.
Hell, the fact that I can turn Terra into a fucking viable cEDH list is already a great moment to rub into all the 7 player's faces

>>95933474
John Benton

Really wish they'd print a pair of legendaries that have partner with eachother AND meld. Both mechanics just work so well together. They had the perfect opportunity to do it with Fang and Vanille

>>95933504
As a 14 fag I'm also eating good, I'm so fucking glad Emet Selch is good
And even without the new stuff, having a krikk reprint with him as an alt art is amazing
>>95933504
I want people to be able to play strong decks so I encourage proxies, I like playing more powerful decks even when it's not cedh

>>95933511
rule zero if vehicles can be commanders so can brothers and sisters yamazaki

>>95933515
I doubt anyone would say no if you asked to rule 0 those. They'd need to be tremendous fuckheads.

>>95933511
they just need to add a clause that, if both halves of a Meld card are Legendary, then they can be Partnered. The real issue is tracking the Commander Damage after they Meld. Do you just add the melded form to both counts? Does it track on its own, because now it's technically a 3rd entity?

wotc trannies took this away from us...

>>95933523
The way the rules work, it would probably track as a different, third commander damage since like you mentioned its a different entity. Man, i wish i could run Mishra and Phyrexian Dragon Engine as partners.

>>95933494
I like Squall, exalted is one of my favorite mechanics and I really like how him and Seifer have similar abilities but for opposite card types and I like the opposition in the colors they chose for them.
I was really hoping we'd get an Alexander that was pushed but he's really shit, one of the worst of the Summons.
I like that' Gruul Yuna is decent in standard in both the existing overlord shells but also in her own build around brews.

>>95933511
>They had the perfect opportunity to do it with Fang and Vanille
I'm so fucking salty about it still. Meld is straight up impossible without running an assload of tutors to find it ASAP and that just sounds lame as fuck

>>95933511
>>95933515
just tooth and nail them into play lol
would make the table laugh fr

>>95933525
Bad art?
We get plenty of that as is.

>>95933204
so, any advice for this list, before I crash out? I want to make a jank tribal deck, and Naya is a completely foreign color set for me. Just hoping I'm not missing anything obvious

>>95933515
I used to rule zero brisella, it wasn't good but I actually got to meld more then once every year

>>95933494
She did. I have her in the 99 of my XIV deck and even after playing like seven games with it so far i have tragically still never drawn her even once

>>95933538
>baylen
>hare apparent
>mondrak
>impact tremors
that's not jank
if anything that's cookie cutter

>>95933494
No

>>95933544
jank as in no interaction, just gas. I'm playing at tables that combo and tax, so I just want to throw shit at them until they use the board for something other than Altar plays

>>95933546
I think she's a cool and flavorful card, even she's bad as a commander she's a nice include in equipment decks

>>95933504
>cEDH list is already a great moment to rub into all the 7 player's faces
As if being cedh viable is anything to be proud of, kek

>>95933550
Fair. Was hoping she would be a good commander but at least she has a niche. Being the only red ninja is interesting

>>95933540
Is it only venat and Selch for the ascians we have available?

>>95933548
>jank as in no interaction, just gas
not only does jank mean something completely different you can't just ignore what your three opponents are doing, even cedh rogsi runs toxic deluge

>>95933546
I like Yuffie. I put her in Osgir so I could steal mana rocks and then sacrifice them.

>>95933494
>Tfw no alt art
At least he's gonna be fun to play, I'm tutoring for eye of nidhog every game

>>95933553
you can build her cEDH Food Chain, Enchantment Goodstuffs, Summons, Sagas, and my personal favorite, Control Combo. She's got variety, and each of them is definitely different in powerlevels.

>>95933560
We also got Fannyman, and Hermes. No Lahabrea, or Elidibus, which is weird.

>>95933560
There's also Hermes and Fandaniel

>>95933561
NTA, as a CEDH tourney grinder, Toxic deluge see's such a weirdly low amount of play atm, shockingly too since the current meta has the most creature heavy boards in the time I've been playing.

>>95933532
Got a list for Squall, anon?

I was thinking about building the somewhat infamous Rocco secret commander Norin deck, but i'm worried that its going to be too obnoxious and annoying to interact with. I play exclusively bracket two and in playtesting Norin just generates so much value with other ETB matter effects. But maybe i'm worrying too much

>>95933585
Not yet. I don't play too much casual commander so it takes me a lot to actually put together a deck. Right now I want to rebuild a Glissa Sunslayer deck because of all the summon support and Odin providing a somewhat real wincon.
Squall will definitely be my next Orzohv commander though.
For squall though I think the deck will be a grindy deck that leans heavily into maurading fleshbag type creatures to help squall constantly keep the board pretty clean along side cards that sac themselves as interaction. There's a lot of space to explore since it's any permanent.

Apparently putting Finest Hour in my Progenitus deck makes the deck "Tier 4 bullshit" according to my friend.
I thought 2 card game winning combos was restricted and not 2 card player removal, there's still 2 other opponents left after all.

>>95933608
>Apparently putting Finest Hour in my Progenitus deck makes the deck "Tier 4 bullshit" according to my friend.
that moment wasn't your friend's finest hour that's for sure

>>95933608
15 mana, plus Haste/turn cycle, to kill 1 person with commander damage is so far away from "tier 4" that I'm pretty sure your friend is legally retarded.

>>95933608
Would they have the same reaction if you played an unblockable legend alongside Hatred?

>>95933299
Personally I'd build him as a midrange copy ETB value deck. Copies retain their mana costs for devotion and copying Clive himself seems like a decent way to reload even if you're immediately sacrificing the copy.

>>95933616
Literally worse than door to nothingness.

>>95933546
>cheats equip costs while also stealing at the very minimum a mana rock
She's good in the 99 of boros or naya equip decks at least, I might even toss her into Samut haste tribal

>>95933608
No one had a single enchantment removal spell.......???? That's on them

>>95933494
>Did your favorite character get a good card?
Shes in void prison but whatever. I had a lot of fun with other characters:
>Mono-White Aerith being surprisingly strong. Mix of Soul Sisters and low-curve Legends
>Golbez being slow to start but can get out of hand
>Tellah being the Izzet Polymorph commander I've been waiting for
>Squall being the control Voltron I've been waiting for
>Mardu Terra being the Grenzo replacement with an extra color
>Kefka giving me an incentive to put together my Nekusar Wheel/Reanimator list with him at the helm.
>Shadow being a fun monoblack alternative to Yuriko
>Locke replacing Evereth in my Rakdos Treasures
>Zidane as my "monkey business" Boros deck
>Choco replacing Kestral for Bird tribal
The set ended up providing more than I thought, even if most of the decks were replacements to existing commanders. I'm still debating on some others like Celes Mardu Cycling or Lulu Mono-Blue Poison.

>>95933612
He was salty as fuck but calmed down a bit after having a smoke.
>>95933616
He got caught off-guard by the Finest Hour interaction, had to argue for a bit that it doesn't target.
>>95933620
Hatred is banned in our group.

>>95933494
He got several

>>95933646
>Hatred is banned in our group
Anon, find a new group.

>>95933646
>Hatred is banned in our group.
Fucking pussies

>>95933646
>Hatred is banned in our group.
surely you mean the negative emotional response, right? not the card? hahaha...

>>95933646
>>Hatred is banned in our group.
Get out of that group now.

>>95933646
Hatred is wot drives me!

>>95933673
final fantasy tactics: battle for ivalice set when?

>>95933646
>Hatred is banned in our group.
hahahaha what a bunch of fucking losers. What's their opinion on Tainted Strike???

>>95933724
No one has played it yet so no opinion but i don't think anyone would be happy about it.

>>95933546
No command ninjutsu kinda kills it for a commander but that is a very good card

Pulled squall might do cycling or land stuff

>>95933082
I built him with lots of unblockable creatures and equipments that trigger on attacks or combat damage like jittes, sword of X and Y, sword of the animist, etc. The only really nasty pieces are blighted agent cause he's surprisingly enough infect all by himself, and abyssal persecutor to have a big beater myself sometimes. Otherwise I abuse the "can't be sacrificed" part to play a bunch of forced to sac half their creatures effects. It's still hard to draw enough creatures to gift and sometimes also gift enough of them since he can only gift one per turn by himself. His duplication spell and Spark Double help, but that's still difficult to get.

>>95933494
Never played FF6 but there’s something about it that has made me build all three of the Terras and Grixis Kefka, even taking apart my cEDH Tivit list for the Urza Terra (expensive counterspells, One Ring, Rhystic) and Kefka (Bowmasters and DMU Sheoldred). Least satisfied with the precon Terra though, still haven’t tweaked it to my liking.

>>95933107
Meatball Massacre

>>95933494
No because I like 5 and 14 took up every slot for games that are under 6.
I get why you won't use the Onion Knight kids, but the fact that the fucking WoL didn't get an actual card is insane.

>>95933096
U gay

How important is it that I play the 2 cost ramp cards over the 4 cost ones

When do you guys think Commander is going to be the Pro Tour format?
At this point it seems all but inevitable given how Wizards pretty much only pump out cards for commander players. And if any of you watched the pro tour stream, it was fucking horrid as a spectator watching standard.

Even though commander fundamentally isn't a competitive format, I'd honestly rather watch a commander pro tour than just about anything else Magic related.

>>95933906
>11 hour game
>pro tour

>>95933906
the absolute cope of standard faggots crying about their broken format in a containment thread

They’re going to do a Star Trek UB before too long and I will make my commander Deep Space 9

anyone have experience with other tcgs and board games I need an alternative to commander

>>95933950
I'll be playing Lord British, Astronaut

>>95933938
Wouldn't they all be gunning for cEDH decks that combo out a lot faster? Some games could end up being a slog yeah.
>>95933942
Cope? I haven't played standard in years. I like commander, modern and pauper. I just watched the stream because I have no life and wanted to turn my brain off.
And seeing as how much focus commander has, I find it weird that Wirzards haven't made a sort of "premium" commander event to stream like this.

I have never played a final fantasy game or owned any PlayStation

>>95933190
hiding those tits is a sin

>>95933836
>no Warrior of Light
>no Onion Knight or even the remake versions like Luneth
>Bartz is just incidentally on a Boco card
>funny sidequest meme man is in and has his own special token
I fucking hate XIV so god damn much.

>kuja in pod with non-creature vomit decks
>didnt even run other doublers or shit like Ajer Ox or the dwarf
>or neheb
man this deck can get so much more evil

>>95933820
based draw/discard aids vector

>>95933906
>>95933968
Multiplayer magic is completely untenable as a competitive game. It is essentially Kingmaking: the board game. There is no possible way of creating rules that prohibit kingmaking/collusion, because that's just what interaction inherently is in this format.

>>95934030
I know it's fundamentally not a competitive format, I just think it would be more fun to watch commander games than standard. And like I said, I find it odd Wizards haven't made some sort of "premier event stream" given how hard they're focusing on on commander. yet they don't have some sort of event like that yet.

>>95934030
shit like this is also the judges fault

>>95934030
I've met some competitive edh players back at magicon and every single one was kind of a special person who would have problems connecting to any group outside of their special cEDH group.

>>95934167
It's not a fault of the judges, everything described in that tweet is 100% kosher and an accepted part of the format. You could eliminate the incentive to draw, but you can't completely eliminate politicking from the game. If you just hamfistedly banned all communication, kingmaking scenarios will still arise. Do I counter this game winning spell and let the next guy win, or do I not? Even if there's no actual collusion going on, there's an unspoken incentive for me to give the win to a fellow cedh grinder over some rando with an expectation that he will do the same for me in a similar spot. What should a judge do in this spot?
And that's just the most clear cut scenario, is it king-making to counter a Rhystic Study on turn 2?

>>95934234
rhystic study should just be banned

Thoughts on Yorion + Manifest?

Is Dance of Many the only (or at least easiest) way to set up Yorion looping alongside the things it exiles?

>>95934341
felidar Guardian, Resto Angel.

>>95934186
That was 98% of all magic players I've ever met at my two LGS. The one I frequented the most was even the more casual store, but it was still full of those types.
This game just attracts those kind of people for some reason.

Are magiccons even worth it if you don't know any of the ecelebs?

>>95934362
No I want Yorion to vanish until the next upkeep too

>>95934376
end step rather

>want to build pic related
>go for storm so I can dunk on sweats at my lgs
>spend days building a list
>finalize it so I can start looking to buy
>play test it in Archidekt
>hate it
How do I learnt to enjoy storm? It's just so fucking boring. Just play cards until the deck stalls. They're either dead, or I'm dead because I can't be allowed to storm off again.

>>95934341
>>95934376
Yes. Now stop asking every thread.
You can use non-legend clones but they will alternate being in play.

the choices made/targets for modal cards are announced when you cast the spell right? Not when it resolves

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Modal#Rules

>>95934234
Eliminating the incentive to draw is really all anyone can ask for
Besides not every game will have a kingmaker situation so they will advance while others dont, it is what it is
Ironically countermagic is the biggest culprit of kingmaking, had sam had a toxic deluge he would answer both the tymna engine and korvold
If the meta can be shifted so that many wins are done through creatures rather than spells then there will be more incentive to run wipes instead of single target countermagic and thus reduce kingmaking

>>95934405
have outs other than just big fireball, well depends ofc on what powerlevel you wanna play but rakdos ones seem fun due to access to black mages, monored likely has ways to just generate big enough mana to have a kill or closer to it

>>95934474
Every game has a kingmaking situation, that's the point I'm trying to make. It's not always explicit like in the example Sam is describing, but countering someone's turn 2 Rhystic Study or casting a removal spell is really not that different from countering the actual wincon. It's just less black/white obvious.
Wipes aren't any different, if I'm not winning the game I'm just deciding whether or not I want the game to go to the player with the most board presence currently. Creature combat is also extremely prone to explicit on-board king-making scenarios.

>>95932823

Was so excited for this and it's such a letdown.
People are telling me to go fetchlands blabla, but what's the point if Korvold or Windgrace do those things better.

Still have hopes for the spaceship but I'm close to cancel my pre-order

>>95932823
I'm annoyed it's jund and not golgari. High chance all new insects will be red so I can't put them in my zask deck.

>>95934530
Korvold does pretty much everything better than other legends in his colors.
also
>preordering

I just want a knight tribal deck, why must token players make every token creator/doubler overpriced and why must wizards make such cards so overpowered.

>>95934030
what the fuck am I reading

wait ... they do cEDH with 4 players...? lol

Hear me out, I have an idea for the Jund insect spaceship commander from the precon:

The spaceship (seedship) places some new counter on lands you control (seed counters or whatever).

Tap, sacrifice a land with a seed counter: draw a card.

When you sacrifice a land with a seed counter on it, create a */* Eumidian Vanguard token, with power and toughness equal to the amount of lands in your graveyard.
With the draw ability you have to decide if you want to sac a fetch for another land or sac it with the ability to draw a card.

What do you think? I like the flavor, but maybe too weak?
Maybe incubate will make a return in some way?

any custom card enjoyers out here? I've been having fun trying out some mechanics in different colors, venture into the dungeon being a really fun one to play with.

>>95934553

Yes, I preorder to avoid those crazy price spikes we see everytime, and especially in FF.

I can always cancel the preorder

>>95934621
Don't post custom cards anon, no matter what someone will scream at you that it's broken.
I think you could probably copy paste the text from a real printed card onto a custom one and someone would still rant at you about how it's broken.

Last time I saw a custom card posted in these threads someone unironically said that custom cards should only be weaker than real cards because the point is to "fill a niche" instead of being playable.

>>95934615
>terrasymbiotic
>some retard at WotC heard the word "terraforming" and thinks terra means planet
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
What's the fucking point of doing a space set if you don't have anyone on staff who's interested in fucking space?
Terra is the latin name for Earth. Terraforming means to make a planet Earth-like. A """terrasymbiotic""" species is a species in a symbiotic relationship with the fucking Earth.

>>95934636
Lol were you the tard that posted a 5 drop that steals a creature every upkeep with some other upside?

>>95934647
>remember an event
>get accused of being a part of it
What's your problem?

YOUR CUSTOM CARDS ARE TOO WEAK FOR ME
GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>95934655
What aspect of Broly is blue? He's probably jund.

>>95934655
>gains indestructible until end of combat

>>95934524
>Every game has a kingmaking situation
You can say that to any free for all game, but that hasnt stopped them from having winners
Cedh just happens to be a drawish game but not every game will be a draw is my point
Is that a good game to spectate? No not really. But that is the game some people want to play so deincentivizing draws is all we can really do

>>95934524
>countering someone's turn 2 Rhystic Study or casting a removal spell is really not that different from countering the actual wincon. It's just less black/white obvious.
>Wipes aren't any different, if I'm not winning the game I'm just deciding whether or not I want the game to go to the player with the most board presence currently. Creature combat is also extremely prone to explicit on-board king-making scenarios.
Advantage isn't kingmaking though??? At any point someone could draw into a card that turns the tide in their favor and how relevant the previous board state is to what they drew is completely nebulous in most cases.
Also you can't kingmake for yourself, that's just called fucking optimal play.

>>95934662
the aspect of Broly that is blue is that the designer of this gay little fanfiction wants to make him unblockable and able to protect him with counterspells, and also having a Voltron commander in Simic so he doesnt have to think too hard about properly building a deck

>>95934626
There hasn't been a single precon in year that went up in price, FF7 was preordering for 120+ and is now sitting at 80. Even the Warhammer decks are still mostly at their original deck price apart from I think the black one.

>>95934669
I think the point was that a game with kingmaking is not suited to be played with prize money like competitive Standard

>>95934713

Not for me, I live in Europe and the 40k decks are all at least +30% of their original price

>>95934726
Cedh can definitely be played for prizes, it's just that wotc won't have anything to do with it, precisely because it's a bad spectator game, even for a game like magic
What wotc will be willing to host though is brackets 2 & 3

>>95933494
No, I knew that spinoffs weren't gonna be represented but I still had hope.

>>95934626
If you really think the Buck Rogers decks will spike as much as literally the biggest and best selling set ever then I don't know what to tell you anon.

>>95934769
Duck dodgers secret lair incoming lol

>>95934669
>You can say that to any free for all game, but that hasnt stopped them from having winners
Yeah, and you'd be right mostly.
It's a bit less bad in games intentionally designed for FFA though. These usually involve players competing over some sort of limited resource, with the winners of smaller conflicts gaining some sort of material advantage from the loser that can then be leveraged against the rest of the field. Chips in poker, territory in war games, weapons in a battle royale, etc. Edh doesn't work like this, all interaction is negative for the person expending it and the person on the receiving end of it. The winner of a balanced edh game is the player on the receiving end of the least interaction, basically just the player the rest of the table elected to king-make.
>>95934688
Sure, but if you don't win your play was essentially just kingmaking, you just weren't aware of it yet.
Countering a Rhystic Study doesn't net you an advantage either, it puts you down a counter you could have spent protecting your win and the mana you could have used advancing your win. You maybe have more equity in a game where you've countered a Rhystic than one where it has resolved, but really what you've done is taken equity from the Rhystic player and some of your own and given it to the other two players at the table.

>>95934772
Does anyone under 40 even know what that is?

>ff box delivery delayed again
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>95934773
>Sure, but if you don't win your play was essentially just kingmaking, you just weren't aware of it yet.
Kek I'm sorry anon, I've seen a lot of stupid posts in these threads but this may legitimately be the stupidest thing I've ever read.

>>95934773
>you only won because the rest of the pod allowed you to
Not only did you not refute the fact that cedh is a drawish game you cant even accept a legit loss when it comes your way
Just accept that i drew the stone cold nuts with cedh rogsi and no amount of milliganing saved you from it, don't pout like that kekw

>>95934786
>delayed
oh sweet summer child

>>95934781
Duck dodgers had a cartoon back in 2003 it aint that old

>>95934805
I have no fucking clue what you boomers are talking about. That was 22 years ago anon.

>>95934804
Honestly, if it never comes and i get refunded I'm fine with that, i didn't really want the box.

>>95934823
Space Loony Tunes.

>>95934786
ahahahahahahaha

Into the trash it goes

>>95934877
Designslop

>>95934901
"when this enters or attacks,mill a card, then if it was a land put it onto the battlefield and create a zombie token"
damn it's the ultimate blue + green + black

>>95934877
>>95934901
i mean there is really only so much you can do with the Hand, Graveyard, Battlefield, Library and Exile zone within the MtG rules, that it really is inevitable that we get the same iteration of a couple of themes/legendaries over and over again.
This hits harder the more they release each year

>>95934877
If it could put the counters on itself it might be interesting but as it stands just a shitty Windgrace/Mazirek frankenstein

>>95932778
Emperor is the gayest format since gay came to Gaytown

>>95932810
>Now THAT'S what I call a fiasco.
If only you knew how bad things really were, Spidey.

If I put 3 counters on ashling the pilgrim in one turn at a total of 14 counters and I have a kedis out It would kill the table right

>>95934901
Schizo

>>95934805
I only know the shorts from like the 60s.

>>95932878
Seaside Haven isn't bad either.

>>95934973
ashling exploding isn't combat damage

>>95934823
Buck Rogers: pulp scifi comics from the 20s, hugely influential.
Duck Dodgers: parody version with Daffu Duck.

>>95933820
>built 5 boring decks
FF fags are insufferable.

>>95934877
I just don't understand. Why aren't we allowed to have fun jund commanders?

>>95934993
Ah yeah im stupid

>>95934987
Putting this and Lupinflower Village in too since I figure I'll have them online most of the time.

>>95935000
We are

>>95935001
there is some red card that triples damage specifically to opponents so that would work i imagine

>>95934030
What a retarded post. One judge saying no table talk fixes this

>>95934234
>cant eliminate politicking
"This is a competitive environment no table talk permitted" literally that easy. And make draws count as a loss for everyone. Litcherally that easy

>>95933024
What big dragon?

>>95935011
>Needing a judge

>>95934566
This card is genuinely awful

>>95934645
Terra means land. You're fucking retarded

>>95935007
but we deserve more. others are drowning in fun shit.

>>95935035

>>95935020
>needing a judge
>in a professional competitive environment
....yes? What did you think this post accomplished retard

>>95935039
Ok true, we do deserve more

>>95935044
Terra means land. This is fucking embarrassing.

>>95935046
>Cedh
>professional competitive environment
>"Professional"
Kek

>>95935007
>do thing draw card but still lame

>>95934901
Unironically this is peak bracket 2 design, incremental and telegraphed

>>95935054
The entire chain is about CEDH being on the pro tour (a professional competitive environment). Again, what do you think you're proving here beyond the fact that you are astoundingly retarded

>>95935050
I believe the online source more than you

>>95935056
>Everything is "designslop"

>>95935064
Cedh is retarded
I don't have to prove anything, that post proved it all for me

>>95935066
Your online "source" (AI answer is not a source) that literally says LAND?

>>95935024
I know, sooo why is it fucking 20 dollarus??

>>95935105
Not only is it from (IP) it also has a home in sidar jabari

>>95935105
It's a well known summon and a mythic. Demand outstrips supply

>>95935097
It means both earth and land

>>95935078
You go sport! Let's go tell your mummy what a big boy you are now

>>95935035
>>95935050
>>95935097
You know why it sometimes means "land"? Because the only fucking land the Romans ever knew was fucking Earth.
If the Latin word for Earth was Saturn instead, saturnforming would mean to make something more like Earth.

While we're here I should probably blow your mind that "solar system" exclusively means our star and planets because the latin name for the sun is Sol. Other star systems are stellar systems and not solar systems.
>b-b-b-but sol also refers to a star so its okay to call other star systems solar systems!!!!
That's the level of logic you're working on for your terra cope right now.

So excited for Edge of Eternities, so letdown by the Jund commander from the precon

>>95935199
He's a retard, selectively cultivating sources that support him

>>95935204
Same. Unless they put some great reprints and new cards in I'm jumping spaceship on that preorder.

>>95935204
I already cancelled my preorder

>>95935204
>>95935232
>>95935237
you guys buying the jeskai deck? truth be told I really hoped for a Modular commander. A tap to proliferate commander doesnt do it for me.

>>95935254
For that one I'm waiting for more spoilers, but probably not

>>95935237
This is the thrid time you told us in this thread anon.

>>95935199
No it literally ALWAYS means land. Terra meaning earth is a sci fi thing lmao

>>95933234
Yes. It will persist because WOTC wills it, and crossover sets will continue to keep things afloat.

>>95935284
>Terra meaning earth is a sci fi thing lmao
You know the Romans had models of the solar system right? You know they understood that we live on a globe right? You know that the thing we live on needs a name right?
I'm legitimately saddened if the only exposure you've had to Latin is through fucking Warhammer.

>>95935295
>>95935097
>Terra
>Terra
>Terra
And not one of those things means earth. The word has always meant land.

>>95935284
Other way around

>>95935000
>>95935204
jund's best commander happens to be a cedh viable dragon, so wotc has decided that the shard won't be getting new toys anytime soon, be happy that henzie exists i guess lol

>>95933608
Isn't that one of the most classic combos with Progenitus? What a bunch of dorks. I bet they would shit their pants if you played Mayael's Aria against them.

Terra is a mistranslation, it was supposed to be Tina Branford

>>95935303
It's always meant Earth only recently do people use it for land

>>95933950
>the borg and cybermen will cross over via magic the gathering in our lifetime
Stoke the furnace, lads.

>>95935328
>>95935097
Then why do old Latin words translate like
>terra Australia- LAND
>terra incognita - LAND
>terra nullify - LAND
Is the way they spoke in Rome a modern thing?

>>95935322
>go to commander night at my LGS
>just tell players I'm gonna play my Korvold deck
>whole table braces for impact
>get targeted on turns 1 through 3 because I'm clearly archenemy
>cast my commander on turn 4
>pic related

>>95934566
Because people like having wide boards of little dweebs. It makes them feel powerful.

>>95935366
Read this>>95935199

>>95933082
chaos ensues

>>95935374
Except its the exact opposite of that as shown by all their other words. We knew about soil and the ground before we knew about Earth. The word for the geographical formations we live on has to predate the planet that holds them

Hey, I'm trying Diamond weapon as a commander. So far I've got two decent showings but they both required food chain and altar of dementia. Attacking may work "once" but I'm looking for other wincons. Anyone have any ideas?

plain ol attacking doesnt seem to work as well since no trample and 3 turns. I have ways to give trample but it really just feels like he's too fragile in my meta to work.

>>95935391
Romans referred to our planet as "terra"

>>95935303
>>95935328
>>95935366
>>95935391
Terra is the Latin name for the fucking globe we are on, that's why it also means "land", because the only fucking land here is the planet Earth.

>>95933494
No. Red is my least favorite color and artifacts are extremely boring. Yuriko is also a very boring Commander. I have zero decks I would want either of in the 99. All in all they nailed it with the rest of my waifus but Yuffie was a major disappointment.

Oh well 75% ain't bad.

>>95932855
This but unironically, limitations make for more interesting gameplay. When everything is permissible, it results in everything homogenizing into the same crap, while limitations force different strategies.

>>95933494
Nothing from Tactics or Crystal Chronicles made it in, so not really.

I'm glad I have friends who are playing now because the locals I used to go to I had people complain and tell me Tasha is overpowered because there's no counter to mill, and nearly every group I played with couldn't comprehend running more then a single piece of removal, or people who gave up if you removed their commander once

>>95935469
Whiny children infest every hobby. You just learn to deal with them and avoid them afterwards.

>>95935418
>>95935427
For the reasons I just fucking explained. Do you really think they called earth terra before they were calling the ground they lived on terra? Use your fucking heads how would the word for PLANET come into being before the word for the land we walk on

>>95935497
Why can't you accept that it means both? This is really bizarre anon

>>95935503
Its use for one is an extension of its actual meaning. It itself does not mean Planet.
>>95935035
>terra means land
>screeching ensues about how no it doesn't
>why cant you just accept both waaaaahhhh
Kill yourself

Terra means land and has been used in the game that way for decades.

>>95935497
>Do you really think they called earth terra before they were calling the ground they lived on terra?
>how would the word for PLANET come into being before the word for the land we walk on
Holy fuck you're so dense.
The Romans knew we lived on a fucking globe. They had a word for the fucking globe we live on. They called it terra. The shit that the globe is made out of is also called terra because they're referring to the same fucking thing.

The Romans were not the first culture in fucking existence. They didn't have to form a language from scratch naming shit as they came across it. They didn't name land terra and then discover they were on a fucking globe and call that terra too. There was 1300 years or recorded fucking writing before the founding of Rome. Estimates of how far back spoken language existed is 50,000-150,000 years ago.

If you start excluding words from use in fantasy because they’re etymologically linked to real-world referents, you’ll quickly run out of usable words.

>>95935606
Languages evolve from other languages anon. That's how etymology works. There is no world in which the words for land did not predate the word for planet. And the Romans reflect that in all their words. Again terra incognita means unknown LAND. Terra Australia means southern LAND.

>>95935641
>Southern Earth
>Australian Earth

>>95935254
I feel like they are just gonna be another energy deck (spaceships has charge counters, so they become artifact creatures when they reach a threshold) but in disguise until they reveal it around the days up to presales, so they hope people don't see it and cancels their preorders.
I hope they do the same shit as they did in aetherdrift where one deck is an energy deck and the other has a bad commander, but great reprints and some good addtitions to jund/landfall decks.

>>95935395
"Oops all permanents" was what I was thinking, maybe plus Genesis Wave/Majestic Genesis. Run stuff like Satyr Wayfinder effects and maybe some dredge if you feel spicy, which you can back up with green's million Eternal Witness effects. Major threat permanents and creatures, if they remove stuff it makes your commander cheaper. Greater Good store effects to fill your hand and yard. Could also throw in Lure type effects since he doesn't take combat damage.

>>95933204
>>95933538
If you're trying to optimize an Hare Apparent deck you don't need half those cards. Baylen is draw ramp and a finisher himself and you have zero persistent protection for him and your deck is going to be way too slow to get him out and creating crazy value off him before your opponents starts finding removal and wipes, so you're going to durdle until t5 or 6 with what's supposed to be a ALL GAS NO BRAKES aggro deck and you'll be locked out forever once mass removal starts hitting the board. Meanwhile my Hare Apparent deck was always winning on t5 or 6 by the latest.

All your artifacts but Arc Sig and Thrumming are useless. All your creatures but Enduring Inn are useless and you need 30+ Hares to consistently draw enough of.them. Replace Aggravated Assault with Shared Animosity. You only need Boros Dawn and Heroic for mass protection. Second harvest is a trap eerie interlude is both protection and a doubler, and semesters end is also objectively better in HA. Also you have zero spot removal, which you could potentially get away with if your deck was all gas, but it's too slow as is and a single Ghostly Prison effect will shut down your entire deck and you'll have no way to deal with it. Hell all someone needs to do is wipe you once and you're fucked, you have no recursion even though for mana value 2 or less you have excellent options like Raise the Past.

If you're in Timmy pods against a bunch of improperly built greed pile decks you'll probably do okay but 99/100 times you're going to fold against properly built decks. Hares aren't possible to build "fair", it's a meme brainless aggro archenemy deck.

>>95935627
No the point isn’t to exclude it, it’s to realize they didn’t fucking know what it meant and use something more appropriate.

This isn’t some case of the measurement “pound” coming from the Latin libra meaning scale so you can’t say pound in your fantasy language if your fantasy world didn’t have fantasy Romans.
No, Terra means the Earth. The planet we are on. If you want to refer to a different planet, it would be wrong to refer to anything about it as Terra just like it would be wrong to refer to it as fucking Luna or Mars.
You can’t have a “terrasymbiotic” species if they are not from Earth. Just like you wouldn’t call them fucking lunasbiotic if they lived on a moon

Got some ideas after reading the Planeswalker's guide to EoE, what do you think?

>>95934030
Rule: no draws. If the game results in a draw, the person who forced the draw is awarded the current lowest place, and the remaining players are awarded position based on things like life total and the total value of pieces on the board and half value for those held in hand.

>>95935754
There's a separate custom card thread.

>>95934030
The funny think is I agree with you completely in the first half and then you had to go and misuse the word kingmaking

Competitive EDH is a joke because in a 1v1 format rhe only person your mistakes can advantage is your opponent, so despite the randomness of the game you can at least say that superior skill is required to win.
But in a 1v1v1v1 your mistakes might advantage one opponent more than the others, particularly depending on the different decks they are plying, or turn order.
That is a much better argument than your “kingmaking” shit, feel free to steal it

>>95935754
>CREATE TOKEN
>DO THING DRAW CARD

>>95935754
This but you seed counters on your opponents lands and can sacrifice them for 3 mana instant to draw a card, or create a 1/1 insect pilot with flying.

>>95935627
What a blurga blga fvmt post.

>>95935449
Yeah, this must be why standard is the shallowest and most boring its ever been. As the most limited format is should be interesting and dynamic
Oops. Looks like you're a retard.

>>95933836
We got the Warrior of Light though you tard.

>>95933525
Ugly woman. Good.

>>95935395
I saw some combo on YouTube where you can just keep saccing him over and over to generate mana with some card I can't remember and banking the mana with picrel.

>>95935754

>>95934805
Even as a child back then I hated it. I hated how I'm just "supposed to" love Looney Tunes as a child just because they're "classics." Feels fake as fuck like people that pretend to like Mickey Mouse and Betty Boop.

When is EoE going to get more release info? I'm sure I am fooling myself expecting a better boros vehicle commander,

>>95933540
>>95933567
subhuman posters

>>95935974
>ihatebracket2.png

>>95936071
Ask him to name a single well designed commander and watch him flip flop and not answer for 50 posts.

>>95932802
I dont even use walkers, but ive been saying they all should all be commander viable for years now. Having just a handful doesn't make sense

>>95936092
>A commander that can be attacked directly, and doesn't have its damage fall off at the end of turn
Why anyone would want one as a commander in the first place is mind boggling

>>95936108
An excuse for having a sorcery in the command zone

>>95936124
Just play oathbreaker, you get both a plainswalker and an instant or sorcery in the command zone

>>95936124
just play blood avatar then

>>95936134
I'm not saying I do, I'm giving reasons I've been told people use planeswalkers.
Though admittedly blood avatar looks fun.

>>95935717
I might have a lure in there already and a pariah shield.

Hurricane as well

Gen waves havent done enough for me sadly

>>95933465
Aren't they free?

>>95936262
Yes, but they don't come on saturdays,

>>95936262
Five cents each, pick whichever from this box (no full-arts, no foils) (is all lands people left behind from drafts)

Can finally play a good card game

>>95935753
Anon, “terrain” comes from “terra”. If you can’t use derivatives of “terra” when not referring specifically to Earth, you’re shedding pretty much every word we have that refers to land.

>>95936480
Wonder if this is worth replacing Plargg and Nassari with

>Itt people don't understand latin

>>95936496
It drowns on the deck. Triple triad if you're running a lot of high-cost-with-reduction spells.

i wish they made vivi literally anything else i just want to play my cute black mage bro

>>95936580
Just play it anyway

>>95936580
Sorry, Gavin likes IX so we get him as a standard/modern staple that won't drop in price for at least a year

>>95936580
>favourite character
>way too strong to play
>fucking obnoxious to play against

>>95936596
nah i dont really like playing kill on sight or i take a 15 minute turn commanders

>>95936580
>my favorite character is cute and by far the best card in the entire set
>how could this happen to me?!

How good/bad would this be in a (Naya) Cloud list? I've never actually seen this card played ever.

>>95936618
In the casual format where you can build almost anything you want, why would anyone want to go for the most obviously overpowered option available?

>>95936516
*depends

>>95935669
I have a feeling Crucible of Worlds will either be in the set or in the Jund precon, at the very least Conduit of Worlds probably will be in the Precon.

>>95936580
Build black waltz

>>95936612
Whenever a commander is kill on sight then none of them are

>>95936608
>>way too strong to play
What does this even mean?

>>95936678
It's likely a good deal stronger than what he faces in his local meta, anon.

>>95936717
That should only make you want to play it more.

>>95936717
You know you can build a strong commander as a bracket 2 or three so the deck isn't absurd

>>95936754
No anon, if he's playing a strong commander he has to put every good card in then complain about how strong the deck is, he couldn't just adjust the deck building

>>95936673
>Used to playing in a group where people play strong shit with tons of removal so the combo players aren't completely free
>Join a pod and someone loses there shit when I shoot their tergrid
>The entire pod gets confused when I used a 2nd removal spell later and they tell me I have too much removal
Maybe I'm just in a completely different mindset but I can't comprehend not running more removal, like I don't use a lot of board wipes because it feels like a time waster, but I feel like you can never have too much single target removal, maybe it's just the group I learned to play with, but it's so weird to me when people cry about removal, or they don't even try to make deals and such

>>95936839
In my group we all collectively agree not to use very many board wipes because it just makes games last way too fucking long which means we get less variety in how much expensive cardboard we touch.

>>95936618
>like a character
>WotC prints him as a one mana 20/20 with ETB: win the game
>"I just wish he were more interesting/fun to play"
>UM YOU CANT COMPLAIN BECAUSE HE'S STRONG??

>>95937007
Sounds interesting to me, the table will see it coming and everyone plays accordingly and the entire thing is trying to get him out

It's so funny seeing the furious news cycles of "content creators" around the Final Fantasy secret lair fiasco.
>alt-arts of cards that already exist
>you can just get the pre-existing cards for much cheaper
>NOOO I took off work to buy my Funko Pops! this is a travesty wotzi!!

>>95937031
Im fine with more Clive cards

>>95937031
What's the deal with the secret lair? People don't want to buy alternative names/art for existing cards at a premium?

If Vivi had Vanishing 3 then he'd be slightly more fair and also more flavourful.

>>95937075
Same old story. Understocked and artificial scarcity. Whole thing effectively sold out within less than a minute, and now they're immediately being scalped online for double price

>>95933082
infect + proliferate (you proliferate both the poison and the +1 counters)

>>95937007
Vivi isn't that, try and cry harder

What is the consensus? One of the most powerful mono B commanders?

>>95937193
He's going to be yes

>>95937193
He’s blood artist in the command zone, with all that entails

>>95937193
>on demand blood artist emblem in the command zone
gee anon i dunno...

>>95937224
Even better. He makes a Blood Artist emblem that can't even be removed, so if he gets Imprisoned in the Moon/etc. It wont matter, you can still win

>>95937193
Probably in the top 5 monoB commanders yeah. I think Yawg and Krrik are probably still the absolute best. Maybe Tegrid.

>>95933906
The only way cedh could ever be a real competitive format is if they were forced to play 2hg, multiplayer is inherently casual compared to 1v1.

>>95937256
This

>>95937193
>Tfw going to have 2-3 sephiroths at my table next week since my friends are huge FF7 fags and their favorite character is sephiroth

>>95937265
>want to get him
>only want the Nomura art for obvious reasons (he's a GOATed artist and its HIS character)
>$100 plus tip
Any chance he comes down in price? Even $50 would be more reasonable

>>95937276
>Any chance he comes down in price?
lmao. rofl, perhaps.

>>95937276
I paid 80 for mine. I expect him to go to 200 minimum with the supply shortage

>>95937286
Did the Junji Ito cards ever crash in price? If not, then you have your answer. Enjoy the rare pull gambling tax

>>95937236
Yawg and K'rrik just enable so many more kinds of deck too, even if Seph might be slightly faster and more aggressive in his one strategy.

>>95936655
Surely not we should all go out and buy it now in anticipation of it fitting with the deck. I totally didn't do that with the squirrel precon and brought some expensive squirrels they then revealed to be in the precon.

>>95937120
Yeah but, like, who cares? Seriously? Who gives a shit? They're alt arts. You don't need them to play the game.

>>95937314
The people who wanted it obviously care. Are you dumb?

>>95937333
I'm insinuating the people who care are dumb.

>>95937193
Card draw always makes a commander more powerful than it should be, but just the fact he is a low cost mono black Commander with an actually effective but simple mechanic that is heavily supported in the color without being oppressive makes him by far one of the best black commanders. There's a dearth of simple mono commanders that really represent their colors well with simple fun yet powerful strats.

>>95937339
Ok retard

>>95929387
Rydiafag back at you again, here is what I have in my work in progress, if you are even still around. Certain cards are definetly not needed. For example, I dont have a top, but running so many fetches and being able to see my draws is cool. Still want to refine the list abit and put in my final inclusions as well as other fun stuff and more sagas to get more use out of her tap.

>>95937382
Sorry you didn't get to pay WotC $50 for the privilege of some Tifa art

>>95937396
NTA but thanks for the list, I'm trying to brew up a similar Rydia deck. Any reason for the artifact ramp besides budget?

>>95937396
I am that anon and thanks

>>95937490
Placeholders, I always start with budget rocks out of habit. Looking over the list there are obvious cards I am missing like Intervention and Three Visits for ramp.

>>95937532
No problem.

any other cards like destructive flow now that my boy ruination got banned? something that swerves the mld accusation by being a more slow non-basic destroyer

>>95937306
Oh I don’t intend on building it, if anything I’d probably grab the precon to take it apart for another deck, might be better than the MH3 one for that since it isn’t full of Goyfs

>>95937540
>shivan harvest
>primal order
>blood sun

>>95937469
Thanks

>>95937540
>ruination got banned
Did they announce this at the convention or something?

>>95937568
look at the original brackets article by verhey and marvel at how autistic he is at tackling mld
>hint: wildfire is also banned

>>95937564
oh yeah, I forgot shivan harvest. should have one somewhere
thanks for the suggestions

>>95937293
>Supply shortage
Final Fantasy Fags are opening all the boxes and won't sell me their singles AIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE

>>95937544
>might be better than the MH3 one for that since it isn’t full of Goyfs
Anything is better than that garbage for jund

>>95937588
this but unironically

>>95936262
If you don't care about appearance, yes. If you want specific full-arts, they can be pricey.

>>95934877

>>95932714 (OP)
Why would I do that when I already have my actual vehicles themed, not combo shorikai deck lmao

In any case
>make a new variant of vehicles
>doesn't interact with vehicle related stuff, even vehicle shit printed -this year-
>the pilot text that was changed with shit from aetherdrift to include mounts as well is already fucking outdated even though they could have easily at least printed those ones to reference stationing shit, given that we already knew EoE was space themed
Come the FUCK on wotc.

>>95937613
If they reprint that with new art I would actually kneel, but also I need to get this creature, there's some guys I need to show my hatred.

>>95937490
Other considerations after more thought, would be Tireless Tracker, Lotus Petal (which I thought was in the list), and I think I just talked myself into a Simian Spirit Guide, allowing you to ramp into Rydia with any Forest on turn one, and an easy pitch/mana later into the game.

>>95937578
But I have both of these cards in my deck

>>95937673
blame gavin not me lol

>>95937695
For what im confused I still play these decks

>>95933193
people scrambling for anything resembling a stable investment, rampant inflation, and exorbitant displays of wealth in the service of entertainment are in fact signs of a weakening economy

>>95937540
just run Price of Glory and start holding a gun to blue players' heads

>>95937631
I'm willing to bet they got a hold of some sci-fi license between Aetherdrift and EOE going into the design stage, and they had to hastily rejigger EOE "vehicles" into spaceships to lay the groundwork and to head off complaints that Star Trek doesn't "fit" with Magic with an in-universe space set to point to and say "nuh uh"

>>95937780
think you meant price of progress and yes, I have that in one deck that can copy it many times

>>95937802
I meant what I said and said what I meant

>>95937806
>is not mld
oh shit my bad. in it goes

>>95937806
>Bad City of Solitude/Grand Abolisher

>>95937540

>>95937724
if you cant read gavin's article there's nothing i can do for you lmao

>>95937864
interesting but this doesn't hit the non-basics I'm aiming for

>>95937838
Grand Abolisher/City of Solitude are not holding a gun to the blue player's head and saying "I fucking dare you."

>>95937193
Never noticed Bizarro Sephiroth awkwardly squeezed in between regular and Savior.

Literally the meme face.

>>95937953
>Okay I tap my Arcane Signet for Spell Pierce

>>95937977
I tap my Sol Ring to pay the 2

>>95937276
Sephiroth tax is real, with how scalped the set is and short printed he's gonna more then likely go up
I watched my buddy pull the nomura art yesterday from a bundle so now everyone wants him to finish building his deck first before everyone else builds sephiroth
It's been funny explaining to them how strong he is when they kept asking if he's good or not since one thought he was bad because he's not that high power or high mana cost

why did they make it lab maniac? actually upsets me because i love xi and hate labman decks

>>95937971
I saw it too

>>95938009
Went insane after committing unethical actions while searching in the wilderness for answers? I'm stretching here.

>>95938009
why is the Warrior of Light Jodah when none of the FF1 party members even have official names

>>95938009
I’m assuming the unquenchable thirst of min maxing

>>95938093
So you can play every protagonist with WoL

>>95938009
i feel like a good chunk of the through the ages cards dont really make sense

>>95937880
What article?

>>95938173
Yuffie is one of the only ones that make sense
Because why the fuck is shadowbringers and endwalker brainstorm and a counterspell

Tell me about your most fun commanders/decks.

Valgavoth for me, although I'm usually more of a Simic/Sultai guy. Group slug turns out to be immensely fun.

Mothman in second place, but I really need to upgrade it more.

>>95938199
>want to play yuffie
>have already played yuriko to death
>her normal card doesnt really work as a commander
shit sucks man

>>95938206
propably beamtown bullies cycling deck
there are no creatures that I wouldn't wanna cast myself so none of those bullshit ones that kill on etb
nu-volrath is a close second because every game feels different with all the counters flying around and almost every set gives him new toys to tinker with

>>95938206
Neera, Wild Mage. You can play the deck as a more normal spellslinger izzet deck, or if things aren't going your way you can cast Neera and yolo some spells to see what you play off the top.

Who would be the better/more interesting Aristocrats commander? Sephiroth or Chatterfang?

>>95938293
>aristocrats
>interesting
lmao

>>95938293
>better
sephiroth
>interesting
lol

>>95938293
the only way to make chatterfang "interesting" is by just running squirrel beatdown because nobody expects that out of the most boring aristocrats commander

>>95938293
they are both super into removal BUT I'd argue in favor of the squirrel because the removal is on the commander so you don't have to include every edict to try and trigger sephiroth as easily as possible. this gives more space for customizability
dunno if the stigma of pitiless plunderer combo is an issue to you but that's a thing too with chatterfang

>>95938206
Oof that's a tough choice.
I've been having a lot of fun lately with the delve version of Teval.
My usual deck for when i want a lower power fun time is my Etrata clones deck. My pod gets real spooked by the concept of "thee hits and you're out", even though the real game ending play is stuff like eight copies of bloodletter of aclazotz.

>>95938293
Zurgo

I killed 16 people in sealed grand melee commander. (136 players)

Killed multiple people via unblockable odin | blitzball + copying transformed zenos

>kuja player has 28 black mages and 4 elixirs

Best part was due to me sitting at a corner, I had someone directly behind me and ‘within range’ of my rhystic study; so I had to holler are you paying the 1

Also had 3 primeval titans in my deck

>>95938173
It's funny because the regular reprints with new art are fucking perfect
But the "through the ages" ones are really random

I'm baking new

>>95938497
> 136 player commander
Holy cringe

New is baked
>>95938623
>>95938623
>>95938623

>>95938206
Good 'ol Henzie. Blitz cuhrayzee creatures and just chill. I don't win too often since the pod is strong enough to deal with jund value. Could put in combo lines to win, but that isn't fun to me. I'll play my fun cards and just swap in different stuff on occasion

>>95935956

ugly yo mama