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>HH 3.0 Leaks
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>30k TACTICA & TIPS
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>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
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>More lists
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>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
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>Thread Question:
What is your opinion on the panzerkampwagen VI?

Post stuff about your chapters/battalions!
I'm looking to make an graphic with the organization of my AL Host and would like some inspiration or examples.

So far my Host, the Ismenios Configuration, is broken up into two Cohorts: the first is the Order of the Coiled Cog and is the heavy support/exotic or experimental weaponry/mechanicum leaning element of the chapter.
The second is the Hesperios and is the more traditional infiltrating sabotage and assassination/veteran assault cadres.
They are also tasked with making sure nobody survives to speak of the tech deployed by the coiled cog, I'm picturing them as the professionals cleaning up the messes left behind by the retarded techmarines of the coiled cog after they decided to strap a nova cannon to a leviathan again

If anyone has made their own graphics of love to take a look.

>>95932902
Paramar was AL traitors vs IW loyalists, and it was great.
Have any of the 9 HH books covered Loyal traitors vs Loyal loyalists? Or Loyal traitors vs Traitor loyalists??

>>95933169
A graphic? I never really pictured the force beyond the FOC list.
It's an Alpha Legion independent cell. There's definitely other clones of it, but it changes config whenever it needs to.
The fluff is that it always gets to deploy the same marines because the casualties are replaced by new recruits, and the previous new guys ascend to vets.
The current commander is the former Saboteur. He ate the brain of his former commander (died in battle) and found out that guy had been the Saboteur before him, inherited the post the same way.
He thus promoted his only surviving Seeker to Saboteur (like he himself had been), and reconstituted the next iteration of the Unbroken Chain...

>>95933146 (OP)
>Thread Question
Pretty good in a fight and feared for a reason, but historically quite overhyped and honestly kind of the blueprint for a of bad decisions that followed it.
The IV and the V both were better designs with more impact.

>>95933146 (OP)
I had a 2.0 dream list of running as many flare shielded tonks as possible. So like 2 Kratos and Spartan transports with a Typhon and troops as required in the spartans.

Sabre: Stug III
Predator: PzIV
Vindicator: Brummbar
Sicaran: PzV
Senator: Jagdpanther
Kratos: PzVI
Typhon: Sturmtiger
Fellblade: PzVII
Falchion: Jagdtiger

Am I missing anything?

Possibility of a new faction?

>>95933169
Aside from using as base the one from the black books i look at inspirations from historicals, some games like older flames of war used as FOC a company graphics that had the core company strength with their own support units, regimental support and divisional support. You can translate regimental support as cohort/battallion and divisional as chapter support. I think the new FOC it would be great for this kind of shit.

Never made one for /my dudes/ but always saw my Fist mechanized assault cradle as mostly rhino companies, some predator companies with only 1 sicarans/kratos platoons, 1 terminator company in land raiders, support companies with stuff like veterans, seekers, dreads, whirlwind, spartans and "advisers"/ad hocs with stuff that my force doesn't specialize like legion specific units.

Who were more desperate, blackshields or loyalist run-offs from traitor legions (or both)?

I'm kinda wondering where exactly the line is between a loyalist Death Guard or Word Bearer cohort and blackshields of the same origin

Would using Legion Astartes (Death Guard) as a loyalist represent a force that's just better equipped and has access to more regular supply than blackshields?

>>95933652
Loyalists from s traitor legion could be blackshields.

Really the distinction is that one still consider themselves deathguard/dusk raiders, and nominally fights in the same way, while the other is actively hiding who they are, or at least has entirely split from that legion identity.

But yes, your idea is cool and makes sense.

Got some more Kratos done last night. Didn't have time to do the Tank Commander's shoulders, but should get it done and varnished tonight

What happened to loyalist forces from the traitor legions, anyway? Did they get absolved if they survived and proved their worth? Could they form the basis of a loyalist chapter once the legions were split?

>>95933693
Depends. Some became Blackshields ir warbands, some like Dantioch's IW were invited to fight alongside other loyalist legions, and its implied that they became the Silver Skulls, some like the loyal DG on the Eisenstein it isn't massively clear but we do know they were locked up for a period, some

Praying that my legion trait isn't as shit as Legions Imperialis with no infiltrating near my sniffy doggies.

>>95933601
Yes, there'll be a full Rangda box next year.
>1 Rangda Warmaster
>1 Rangda Overlord
>1 Slaugth Murder-Mind
>10 Rangda Osseiovores
>10 Rangda Cerabvores
>20 Slave-drones
>3 Murder-drones
>1 Macrobeest
There'll also be a campaign book that includes their full army list, the full Xenocides campaign and new rules and units for the legions and the auxilia.

>>95933693
Most were quietly folded into the chapter system under the name of a new foster legion rather than their old ones. Others were dispersed among the loyalists piecemeal and it's probable that some others again were discreetly taken behind the woodshed.

>>95933601
>>95933803
The Auretian Technocracy and their manlet space marines

Had some more time to work on my IH mortifactor. I'm now getting to a point where I'm pretty happy with most elements outside a few minor greenstuff fixes and the position of the servo arm (which I can't change).
Anything you guys seeing that needs changing or should be added? Perhaps a helmet crest?

>>95933843
>He spent time and money planning and doing this conversion, then photographic and editing it into a cute montage

Guys.. Do we tell him ?

>>95933835
Auretians, Interrex/Diasporex and Gardinal are probably all too irrelevant and ill fleshed-out, but it'd be interesting to have non-imperial humans and their take on STC-derived tech like power armor, rhinos and volkite guns.

>>95933843
This is a great use of an old mini. My only complain is that it looks too Mk7. The primaris pauldrons almost pass the smell test, being for techmarine and all that, but in the end it looks more of a 40k than a HH model.
I would swap the paultrons for mkVI ones to give it a near-MkV look better suited for the era (specially with those knees). Take inspiration from the FW praevian.

>>95933879
shut the fuck up

>>95933879
I bet you measure all your opponent's models to check the scale is modern

>>95933907
Fair points, I'm actually waiting for a replacement mechanicum pauldron but the bits seller seems to have fucked up. When in doubt I guess I can just shave off the rim.

>>95933879
Luckily I don't play against modern Cadians in my HH games. And even if I did, this guy's primarily going to be standing next to a contemptor, so the size difference actually works out in the model's favor.

are rapers good for thousand sons moving into 3rd?

>>95933979
We just don't know, with the changes to heavy they might get some extra rules, and considering how tsons are this edition they may get another rework to help them out.
If you like the models go for it, maybe hold off gluing in the weapons if the new kit allows it, otherwise just wait and see.

>>95933979
Raping is more of an EC thing i think.

Do you have any fun fluff for /yourdudes/?
I know HH is more of a historical-like game, but there's always room for hijinks, especially stuff that's built off ingame happenings.
>I like fun stuff like grond

>>95933364
The new FOC looks like it would allow you to do that using armoured fist slots without too much difficulty. Dumping big blobs of basic marines out of spartans has a pleasing kind of crusade-era vibe to it.

>>95933979
Should probably go with molesters instead, all things considered. Way less commitment and easier to set up.

>>95933803
Osseiovores were described as their Titan analogues. So unless this is Titanicus, 10 of them would be overkill.

>>95934074
I always intend to write good fluff but frankly I think it ends up coming across rather generic and cookie cutter, which is weird because my VTM character ideas are always quite niche and well thought out

>>95934074
Yes.

First, they're painted in Orange, because they come from the <Redacted>th Legion and had to deploy in Orange livery for a specific <Redacted> Task.

So I basically ride editions easily, I don't care about which legion is good or which is bad because I always come from <Redacted> Legion anyway.

>>95934183
This account is a lie.

>>95934147
Generic is fine, you can always spice things up later but it's always good to let the creative juices flow.

>>95934183
Change.

>>95934183
Lorelet can't even comprehend the absolute joy it is to be able to completely change armies 3 times a single Gaming Saturday and how enjoyable it is to not be tied down to specific rules for 5 years until you change mind and want to repaint everything.

Yes, its muzzle break. But It looks cool and a melta already had one so it's fine with me

>>95934246
What's the transparent bit on the side?

>>95934120
wow the boners they eat on planet rangdan must be as big as yours

>>95933601
Non-SA imperial army? Rogue traders? Those were both mentioned in the 1.0 rules iirc.

>>95933601
>see how they fuck up shit that already exists
>ask for a new thing anyway
The best thing that can happen to this game is GW stops touching it

>>95934246
it's not a muzzle break on a melta I think it's supposed to be an air intake to expand the cone of superheated air before it's shot out, so kind of the opposite of a muzzle break which is there to expel excess gas and disperse the pressure on the muzzle. I guess you can call it another air intake though

Why does the new fellblade come with rhino style doors rather than the land raider looking ones on the resin version? Are they starting to fuck up vehicles too? I'm afraid to ask for the ones I've been waiting a while for now.

>>95934315
I just needed that extra length and presence and it'll blend in when painted. Perhaps the forgeworld who scammed my SOH guys into purchasing the upgrade just have very good tech sales guys

>>95934328
because GW doesn't sell LR doors anymore but they still sell Deimos rhino ones, anon.

>>95933169
the 110th company of the blood angel, dubbed "pale tears"
not the best sons of sanguinius, but the most loyal, as the company boldly went into the ruinstorm to try and reach the emperor during imperium secundus
what remain of the fleet arrive above terra just in time for sanguinius to die, and them to go ham on the traitor armada

>>95934392
>gorillion infantry

Neat

Looks like the boxnaught is staying

>>95934557
That's still the vendread kit which is missing half the boxnaught weapons. They never squatted that one.

>>95934573
The only thing its missing are the missiles

So once I complete the starter set, what should be the next part of my army? Another dreadnought? A land raider or vehicle? The jet-bikes? Or just go for whatever I think is coolest?

>>95934633
If it's your first time playing it get a feel for the game, as the start has everything you need to start playing. Once you have a feel for the rules and tactics you like pick units from there, legion specific shit, vehicles, etc.

>>95934589
And the melta and all the mortis and siege weapons.

>>95934633
Depends on what /yourdudes/ had.

>>95934633
For now, since we still don't really know anything about the Legions in the new ed, pick something characterful of the legion or completely agnostic.

>>95934526
187 models to be precise

>>95934557
>Crowe

Weird choice to have a named HQ for the box, but I guess he's still fine for character conversions? Without the gay-ass Dreadknight it looks tempting but I imagine these niggas are getting replaced in a few years

>>95934642
>melta
Was never in the orginal dreadnought kit, it's from the blackreach box.
>all the mortis and siege weapons
Were also not in the orginal dreadnought kit

>>95934758
The siege weapons were in the ironclad which they also squatted alongside all the BA variants.

>>95934785
>were in the ironclad
But that isn't the orginal kit.

>>95934573
Original plastic dreadnought only had the assault cannon, one twin lascannon, a dreadnought fist, and the missile launcher.

>>95934799
And none had the multimelta arm besides the one in the Black Reach starter set and older metal versions

Btw, speaking of sieges:
>Instead of recons or seekers, IW should field Havocs as their sniping/character killer squads as per their lore
Yay or nay? Seems to me like it would be a good idea to give them a better unique identity than just HHS a bit better at killing tanks.

>>95934790
Point is the vendread kit is still sold so this box means nothing and all the missing weapons are still missing.

>>95934557
Hm. Surely they won't fuck about with the Dreadknight's size, surely? It's already in the same height bracket as the Telemon and Armigers.

>Found a box of these im the garrage
>Triggered my dumb baby brain because of how simple and clean they are plus how wasy they are to build
>No I wish 30k tacticals were built like them

>>95934858
>Redundant surely.
Man, I'm off my game today, normally I'd find that shit in an instant.

>>95934859
>found these
>but have no pic of them
Ok, go back to 40kg now

>>95934913
Why does posting a picture matter?

>>95934819
I mean the lore implies they do the sniping thing with heavy weapons which is also how they work in game.

A squad of Havocs with either Lascannons or Autocannons can be brutal with precision shot

>>95934975
>>No I wish 30k tacticals were built like them
NTA but after this posts I wish we went back to resin and made it lethal to be handled without incredibly expensive respirators.

>>95935021
that wouldn't stop shit people happily 3d print which even with ventilation produces extremely carcinogenic chemicals.

>>95935021
Why? They are cool

>>95934858
The updated version is just an extra sprue in the old kit

>>95935052
I'm talking bella-donna meme levels of toxicity, walk in a room without a mask with a resin consul and you will die. Filters for masks to protect against 3d printing resin are pretty cheap.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/c9qnghtw/how-big-is-a-space-marine-legion/

>>95935086
but reddit told me legions number in tens of millions of 9' tall sweaty and sexually active supersoldiers

>>95935086
>Inductii mention
Ayyyy you love to see it, maybe there is hope after all

Man I want Two sicaran omegas cor my word Bearers but I don't know if I should just get Recast turrets or wait and see if they finally get to the missing sicarans in this release wave. It seems unlikely though.

>>95934557
sigh, To the 3D printer I go.

>>95935086
IW rivalling the UM for size doesn't really add up. They state that the IW were at about 180,000, while I recall the UM were floating closer to 250,000, with several legions being close to that than IW were.

>>95933843
Looking good, I did one up for my RG recently.

>>95933879
That image is misleading unless kasrkin are freakishly tall. That height is Primaris marine when I put one next to mine.

>>95935179
UM were 250K 7' warriors
Now they are 200K 8' Warriors

It's called a retcon.

>>95935134
Cool, go back.

>>95934557
Wait, these are the old models, aren't they? Aren't GK getting Primaris'd?

>>95935179
>>95935189
IW were actually the biggest legion by far interms of net numbers, they just died a lot more so they never got that big in practice.

>>95935197
No, gk are manlets only. Even the new modes are Mablets

>>95935206
but aren't the fucking Votann taller than them ?

>>95935197
No. The "update" they got was an additional sprue for the dreadknight. GK as a faction are done.

>>95935197
Sadly, no.

>>95935188
The Karskin are 1:60 scale, the perfect "True" Scale.
The old marines are around 1:75. So much smaller than they should be.
So it's not that karskin are tall, because they are in line with every single other AoS, 40k, and 30K army, it's the marines who are small.

>>95934557
It's just a way for gw to rebox the stock and try to move it don't get hopeful because the gk line is a mixed up mess and in their wet brains updating the baby carrier was a good idea

>>95935216
No.

>>95935227
So Kasrkin really are 99% Primaris height according to that comparison picture? My hell blasters reach the same height as that guardsman, just about the bottom of the claw. Accounting for slight angle variance, that puts them very close. Too close.

>>95935141
I'm sure they're in. I would doubt anything gets cut. Even if it did it should be really easy to port over.

>>95935197
People think they're getting a scale update in 11th at this point, all they got recently was a fucking Dreadknight sprue that didn't even make it look less shitty. Not even sure how the Primaris stuff would go with their unique gene seed, anyway.

>>95935077
you need masks connected to a ventilator, and no civilian home has sufficient seals to prevent that shit circulating round. It's only a matter of time until you start hearing of more and more deaths from it, it is industry recognised already.

What do you think about converting other Legion's characters to your own? Using them as generic Praetors of course

Do you use these guys? I wonder if these heads aren't too big for Heresy numarines and it's hard to find any photos of kitbashes using Night Lords upgrade sprue

>>95935471
I so it sometimes, though I used garrius as a warmonger specifically (probably now a terminator centurion givwn the changes lol)

>>95935471
I bought Haar to make into Kharn but considering doing a custom praetor based on Khargos Bloodspitter instead, though he might be better as a centurion.

>>95935537
aren't head sizes consistent between numarines and Primaris?

>>95935537
I just built a small AL force using them.

>>95935550
New heads are visibly smaller than the old marines and Primaris

>>95935471
I think it's a nice way of making some good kitbashed characters. I know there are more people who use Fafnir Raan as a base for their own praetors and centurions then they do actually use him as is on the tabletop for example. I've been considering getting Zephon so I can try and convert him up into a Raven Guard champion desu. I did think of also trying to convert Aster up to be a Sallie praetor but trying to file and scrap all the BA stuff off would be a nightmare I imagine

>>95935548
Bloodspitter was an apothecary in MkIII, anon. Although you could use it as a primus medicae, I guess

>>95935411
You really won't. You'll see the occasional hospitalization from someone doing something extra special with it, but home use isn't going to kill very many people on a time scale that is newsworthy.

>>95935471
It's based.

>>95935550
>>95935583
To elbaorate slightly, I think new Helmets are smaller, new bare heads are about the same? Go figure.

>>95935052
VOCs are not a new problem

>>95935471
Aren't like 90% of armies using Rann conversions as hqs

>>95935621
>>95935583
>>95935537

>>95935680
Use the proper side-by-side

>>95935705
>>95935680

Honestly wouldn't be able to tell the difference unless I was looking really hard for it

>>95935705
Not needed in this case. Nubkeakies are just really small for some reason. They look small even on new corvus armor. Probably because the shoulder pads are so large. Legionarie helps would be fine on them.

>>95935471
Does converting within your own legion count too?

>>95935744
The deadly Zebra Blade...

>>95935744
>bandolier
Nice

>>95935752
Ha does look like a zebra. I'm experimenting with it. That was my first try. Looks great at table top distance though. Might refine it later, I'm more focused on completion of the army.

Where are my fucking rites of war GW? Kajiwa. I don’t care about legion numbers.

>>95935786
>rites of war
Lol
Lmao

>>95935784
Oh, is it meant to look like Damascus Steel? Looks neat Even though the pattern shouldn't be visible at this scale unless the blacksmith was the clumsiest motherfucker in the galaxy

>>95935784
I tried a hamon on a sword but I wasn't super convinced.

>>95935788
Or whatever they said they would preview this week. Obviously the legions will be getting different attachments.

>>95935798
>legions will be getting different attachments.
Anon...

>>95935795
Well technically true, I'm taking artistic licence because even the paint scratches/chips should be ceramite grey, not metallic.

>>95935811
Ceramite cna look anywhere from "unpainted plastic" grey to bright silver depending on how polished or rusted it is. If the scratches are recent, they should still be shiny. Also, you could just chalk it up to the forgeworld using a slightly different ceramite recipe

>>95935806
Bruh it’s early in the AM. Detachments is what I meant. They said there would be additional rules for army building ya?

>>95935796
I think if it had a bit more contrast of metallics and then you put storm shield on it, it would pop a bit more.

>>95935821
Rumor from the batch that was right about saturnine days rites are gone and warlord traits can emulate army wide effects now. Possible FOC manipulation.

>>95935796
I guess Custodes would know how to use hamon, huh?

>>95935830
Truly the worst timeline

New Abayant just dropped

>>95935915
Is this a flying Kharadron beer keg?

I think the one good aspect of the detachment system is that it does support more hobby projects being playable.

>>95935939
It does also look more exploitable, but I guess it's also easier for people/event organisers to self-regulate by limiting certain detachments or the amount you are allowed.

>>95935830
Well we know that's bullshit because there's no warlords

>>95935948
>there's no warlords

>>95935922
It's some kind of drone dispenser I think, its full of the little flying balls

>>95936007
I have questions

>>95936011
It's AoS, so the answer to any and all questions is:

It's magic, deal with it.

>>95935922
Beer is stored in the balls.

>>95935268
Because primaris are on a separate scale all together. True scale primaris should be around 44mm without a base

>>95936032
time to chug from the spout then

>>95935948
>Warlords are the High Command selections
>Primarchs are not the Warlord since they are their own slot

>>95935915
High chance of seeing tech priests standing on the bottom 30% of that model.

>>95935471
Not stolen many unique characters yet but I would

>>95936038
TBF, giant killer is right there. And honestly, when I think about it I don't mind warlord traits being gone, especially if there are legion specific prime traits that can replace them.

>>95936051
>not entombing your magos in their floating wank-shack

>>95935786
Bro, I just realized they'll talk about the New Psychic powers (which we already saw) for like a week.
Libers may not be previewed for yet another month minimum

>>95935796
I like that guy. Seems like a full size two handed sword would feel like a quickblade on his hands.

>>95936280
Well the HH raffle cutoff date is the 29th, pre-orders won't be very long after that I'd imagine.

>>95935471
I got the Dark Vengeance DA captain I'm repurposing. Was juggling between making it a MkIV (due to the vambraces) or VI (shoulder pads). VI won in the end.

>>95935086
>2 out of every 3 Space Wolves in the entire legion died on Prospero, and that's why they were useless for the entire heresy
damn

>>95936280
Reminder that there are still people who think the leakers are GW authorized with this clown show

>>95936363
And Russ took the rest of them to try and solo Horus' entire fleet (and jobbed)

>>95936369
People believe anything these days, specially if somebody on the internet said it. Because no one ever lies on the internet.

>>95935915
>Tardis abeyant
How big is an abeyant's base? I have this idea that they are the equivalent of a palanquin. The Archmagos carried my a mob of clockwork undead, vox grills blaring autosermons. Half reliquary, half life support battle tank

>>95936371
Alaxxes wasn't such a big deal then, always was made out that the wolves took more casualties from that if anything.

Are missile launchers, heavy bolters, plasma guns, melta guns and flamers good in HH or is there some power creep that makes it volkite weapons and nothing else?

>wanted to start heresy word bearers with betrayal at calth back in the day, life happened and I got money now but BaC boxes are scalped as shit now
>everything plastic now requires upgrade sprues
>realize that stand alone mkiv boxes come the same special and heavy weapon options as they did in the starter box

Double score since it's still my favorite mark of power armor, and if I buy three boxes I'll have at least two small heavy weapon teams, two to three tactical support squads and up to forty regular tacticals which sounds like a solid core for a small army. Question is, are those weapons still good?

>>95936280
We have until July 26th when it hit shelves, so that tracks.

>>95936396
>How big is an abeyant's base?
Depends on the model. The Archmagos one with the separate platform is on a 60mm base while the old Magos Dominus is on a 40mm base. I've seen people use Dunecrawler legs to make a big pimpin' abeyant conversion.

>>95936414
if anything, wolkite are the worse.

>>95936414
Missile launchers and heavy bolters never have and never will be good.
Plasma guns are nerfed to shit but might be worth if cheap
Melta guns and flamers are new meta.
PS: taking a few special weapon in a vet squad might be gone in 3.0, if things ended up going in a direction of veteran Tacticals have all special weapons and veteran assaults have all melee weapons and pistols

>>95936371
40k marines are so few (yet powerful) that doing normal wars is wasteful, and instead specialize in shock assaults and decapitation strikes.
Russ tried one and it failed, mostly because the plot demanded that he couldn't outright kill Horus before Terra lmao.
But I think it's to his credit that the battle plan is exactly what marines are meant to do: maximum strike towards HQ. Mortarion did exactly the same at Galaspar, and so has everyone else.
We can fault silly BL for writing themselves into a corner and having to go with "but he decided not to kill his brother <3", but the battle plan was as good as the standard goes.

>>95936414
Short answer, yes. Long answer is that legions can skew this answer a bit and it depends on how meta you want to get. 30k is very easy to go either way. 3.0 tactical statuses will make some weapons like flamers better all around. So talk with your local group for power scaling.

The exception being that it looks like plasma is not good in 3.0 but we don't know how much things like rending and critical hits are given out by characters. If say a vigilator or armistos hands out auto breaching 6+ on hit rolls, then plasma might be great.

>>95936444
>PS
Would really be nice to see what changes they are going to make the army lists.

>>95936469
You'll get that info after you've spent your money, ingrate.

>>95936414
>Missile launchers
Overshadowed by lascannons currently, but still a very point efficient way to deal with veterans and tactical squads with apothecary hugging an objective.
>Heavy bolters
Lots of dakka for cheap, better than people give them credit. Main issue is that they usually compete with more devastating weapons that you also need to deal with the dreadnought spam.
>Plasma guns
Pretty mediocre, too much points for the damage they do. But still decent enough to field them if you like plasma guns.
>Melta guns
Good against everything that's popular currently, like dreadnoughts and terminators.
>Flamers
Flamers suffer from the game being marines vs marines, but can still surprise if you can get in a good position and rack up a scary amount of hits.

There is a new edition coming next month or so however, so we don't know how the weapons will hold up. That does mean however that now is the best time to get into HH as a new player, because everybody has to learn the game all over again.

what kind of rules would you lads give a remembrancer? i figure they'll be useless in combat but might inspire the squad protecting them to some added heroics in the hopes of being recorded.

side note, anyone got the old bell of lost souls 30k ruleset? came out in 5th ed iirc

also, fuck captcha

The more and more I think about it, the less justifiable mk6 TS seem

>>95936522
Literally just a 1W model that can eat a shot instead of someone else, but no gun and only 6+ armor

Which if it's a 2 point upgrade, actually is a pretty legitimate take

>>95936522
I wouldn't give them rules at all. At best, objective marker in a narrative mission.

>>95936522
Probably let the squad ignore leadership and cool debuffs while having a high intellegence trait but shit stats and nothing but a laspistol.

>>95936547
1W is a given, 6+ armor seems right as can call them thick robes, etc. I assumed they could be more than jsut an ablative wound kek.
>>95936552
reasonably sure, but im autismo enough to want to make some kind of actual benifit the squad holding one has, including it having a statline for snipers, etc to try and clip out to deny the buff to the unit.
>>95936555
that could be a way of doing it. make it some kind of LD/cool bonus and throw on a decent Int score incase it ever comes up

>>95936479
I already did and I'm regretting it already, because I know my fun rapier detachment idea is going to get dunked on hard.

>>95936522
https://tcrepo.com/downloads/tag/bell-of-lost-souls/
Also has the Badab War and Macharian Crusade in addition to the Horus Heresy

>>95936522
Slow movement, 1 wound, low leadership and combat stats worse than a tech thrall but they have a special rule to grant +1VP if they're attached to a line unit and live until the end of the game. Wargear is a close combat weapon and 6+ save that's it. Limited to just 1 per army

>>95936522
Shitty human stats. Special rule that doubles all victory points a unit it's attached to earns, if the remembrancer lives.

>>95936396
Draykavac comes on 60mm, but the magos dominus has his mechandendrite legs listed as being an abayant in the instructions, so it seems that almost any non-leg comveyance can be an abayant and there's no particular size requirement.

>>95936414
If you mean in 3.0, we don't have the full profiles or points for special and heavy weapons and we don't know the full core rules so it's impossible to know how good they are atm
Anyone telling you other wise is talking entirely out of their ass

>>95936649
"People" who try to run the 40k magos as an abeyant should be crucified. Tired of seeing that shit.

>>95936666
Best post to get quints

>>95936615
oh shit, i forgot they put out a badab war one. thanks Anon
>>95936617
statline i agree with, getting a VP for protecting them till end of game would be neat bit of "keep away" for the line unit.
>>95936627
that could be a good way to get players to be risky with the unit that has them to contest objectives but still focus on keeping the little guy alive

>>95936649
>managed to snag a legit, unassembled Archmagos Draykavac on ebay under MSRP
I am going to put so many guns on this guy

>>95936530
Lore-wise, only a few TS must have used the original early MkVI before Prospero. And none after that.
At least the loyalist TS in Siege of Cthonia have the excuse of having been rearmed by Malcador, but the traitors basically were sulking in the Planet of the Sorcerers or doing quests looking for Magnus shards until the Siege began.

There's just none or little room for TS inductii in MkVI

>>95936677
These are my magi.

>>95936744
Anon, your Logic of Victory?

>>95933879
>>95935188
>>95935227

Kasrkin are bigger than regular cadians, but it also seems that whoever made that initial image made it when kasrkins base size was still unclear (minicompare goes off of base size)

>>95936821
If that's a guy, I'm not him

If you're asking if I have any logic of victory: oonga boonga big gun shoot when no need to cybertheurgy

>>95936666
Weapon traits don't seem to do anything, it's just to denote what counts as bolt, what counts as flame and the like.
Assuming that's the case (mild "if" there), plasma is slightly better from 12.1"–24", but noticeably worse within 12". Which, I wouldn't know how common it was: nobody used plasma guns in 2.0 because they fucking sucked – and that one's not an assumption.
If plasma was full AP2 (at least its maximal profile), like it should be, even a single full range shot would still be better than two Breaching 6 ones, and there would be an actual reward for closing within 12".
We shall never see the likes of that ever again.

>>95935471
This is an old metal Iron Warriors character for 40K that I used for the base of my Death Guard Siege Breaker.

>>95936850
WT Logic of Victory is like +1 reaction every phase if the magos didn't shoot or something, which can be big. Good incentive to have the guy not shoot at all.
Dunno if he can still do cybersorcery

>>95934392
to elaborate a bit, the praetor wanted to be a bit more independant from sanguinius. sanguinius would find that healthy but the praetor saw the apparent detachment of sanguinius as censure, and became quite bitter during imperium secundus.
sanguinius loves all his sons, but that specific praetor dies thinking he failed his space dad and could not even make amends
yes this is all daddy issues

>>95936888
Man that's gay, hope 3.0 is nicer to mechanicum

>>95936866
I do love that the chief besieger and artillerist cannot take a big gun but unlocks the arsenal, and the chief arsenal guy can take a big gun but doesn't unlock the special shells (he loaned the key to some artillerist guy)

>>95936753
TS kit probably got trashed and they linked up with the main traitor lines prior to the Solar campaign so there's every reason they would have mark VI. The main issue is actually that they'd be taking on Inductii, there is no way you could blind select recruits and hope they were latently psychic enough to survive Magnus' geneseed.

>>95936901
Gayn't. A fully committed Archmagos is a shitposting armchair general 24/7, and shouldn't bother himself with actual fighting. He's there to oversee things personally, at most.

The other traits are cool too though. They be scanning all the ways they can chop people up

>>95936977
it would be fine if archmagos had to be the warlord, as it is you just grab a magos on abeyant to do the calculus while the archmagos use his rules somewhere else

>>95936940
TS used their sorcery to repair and maintain their weapons and armour, it's mentioned often in their books IIRC.
But as you say, after Prospero and going by the current story there's no room for inductii. Amon, the main guy in charge of them didn't even leave the Planet of the Sorcerers until the Siege.

We could imagine rogue TS apothecaries elsewhere in the galaxy doing it, I guess.

>>95936522
The rule i would give them is, if they are within LOS of a character that wins a duel, you get VP base upon the type of character and duel
IC would have levels
Primarch 5
Named Character 4
Preator 3
Centurion 2
Sgt 1

If the Rememberancer is within LOS of the duel, and you win the duel you get 1+ (Positive difference between the winner and the loser)
Example
If a preator duels and kills a enemy preator, he gets 1 VP
If a Preator duels a Sgt and wins, he still only gets 1 VP
If a SGT duels and kills a preator, he gets 1+(3(Preator)-1(SGT) -> 1+2 VP
So if LOL a sgt some how kills a primarch you get 5 VP from that.

which way white man?

>>95936864
>nobody used plasma guns in 2.0 because they fucking sucked
No one used them because TSS were stupidly overpriced
If TSS are not like that anymore plasma could very likely be one of the best options. Even if it's worse than before, if it has 2 shots at 24" that's still really fucking good.
Everyone here raving about melta and flamers being the new meta is completely ignoring that reactions are still a thing and if you walk within 12" of an enemy they can just move away.
You can also only cause 1 panic test and it happens at the end of the turn so having a whole squad of flamers is absolutly retarded when you get the same result from a rhino combi-flamer
Multimeltas could very well make meltaguns pointless since they don't hit on 6s after moving. Or their Heavy downside could still make them absolutely useless in general. We don't even know what the melta rule does because it's not in the special rules for some fucking reason
TSS could also be troops and much easier to access than HSS.
Missile launchers could have D3 for all we know.
Like I said, we don't know shit and anyone claiming otherwise is talking out of their ass

>>95936977
A committed archmagos is a cartoon supervillain wheeling out his latest deranged contraption a long side his assortment of signature equipment to personally take down Action Force for good this time while supported by his army of evil minions.

>>95936522

>>95937042
seems like a neat way to do it. Id want to prob just make types of characters worth X vp, maybe similar to how >>95937215
pic lays out.

>>95937263
self reply, buddy suggested a nice simple +1 Initiative. kinda like the idea of it being a characteristic bump that can be killed

>>95937150
What kind of gun does Loken have again? A bolt pistol or something? Loyalty is its own reward indeed.

>>95937150
the one that didn't get pinned up to a wall and fucked up the ass by a dog-faced demon

>>95933674
how did you get the lines so clean?

>>95935471
Can confirm, lots of fun.

>>95937553
draw the lines them put the tank in the washing machine or dishwasher to clean them up.

>>95937553
Probably 'fine line tape', you can get it on amazon.

>>95937200
>Even if it's worse than before, if it has 2 shots at 24" that's still really fucking good.
2 breaching 6 shots are better than a single breaching 4 shot, to be sure. But never forget being better than 2.0 plasma guns is an incredibly low bar to clear. Never forgive that plasma was full AP2, that a single AP2 shot is better than 2 breacher 6, and they took that away from you.
>Everyone here raving about melta and flamers being the new meta is completely ignoring that reactions are still a thing and if you walk within 12" of an enemy they can just move away.
It's okay to disregard the fact leaker anon already showed us there's only 1–2 reactions per turn (not per phase, per turn at all). Maybe marine commanders bring extra reactions with them. Could be.
But do remember the games you played. Remember you could make one Withdraw, but that wasn't the only one you needed to make. Return fire with X (and maybe Y) and Z won't be able to Evade.
You never had enough withdraws, enough return fire, enough overwatch. And now (even with Volley) you have fewer full reactions than before.

Oof release 3.0 already and let's be done with pointless speculation ;__;

>>95937617
Really hope the pre-order is coming saturday, at this point I just wanna play the game to find out how enjoyable it is.

>>95937518
well that rules both out

>>95936900
Love the helmet on the rightmost guy

>>95936923
The siege breaker is the guy sittimg in the war room discussing where to place the artillery pieces, he's not the guy running into the breach duel-wielding autocannons

Is it true that wargear options are getting removed in 3.0? So basically you’re stuck with whatever the kits come with? Anyone confirm or deny?

>>95937832
The new unit entries we have seen still very much have wargear options. The saturnine dreadnought even has options for weapons that won't come out until a few months later.

>>95937846
Nta but that's not a lot of option for what is meant to be a very expensive elite unit. That's not too reassuring.

>>95937846
Don't forget that apparently we're getting wargear lists again

>>95937859
Just about every heresy plastic kit is built around options retard-kun.

Naked custodians are canon now.

>>95937859
Anon that's more wargear options than most elite expensive units get. Most of the time you just get a choice to upgrade <insert legion or unit specific weapon> to a thunder hammer or power Fist, if at that.

>>95937936
damn, u rite

>>95937936
Not even a hint of femstodes though. Of all the writers at BL I was sure ADB would include them for sure. Instead there's more stuff about how much Custodes and SoS were intended to fight together from the start.

>>95937846
I think it just looks that way because the options lost is half the size it'd normally be, as it is on two columns. Plus the "Extra members ....... +X pts" got moved up and away

>>95937962
>>95937936
Do Custodes have the Black Carapace? How much do we know about custodes physiology and gear anyways?

>>95938005
>there's more stuff about how much Custodes and SoS were intended to fight together from the start.
How so?
I always thought the Emperor's endgame for mankind was for each New Man to be a psychic custodian – psychic powers weren't going to be a burden once the warp was conquered.
Meaning even the current Custodians are not the finished product yet.

>>95938070
Primarchs were suppose to be the template for the future of humanity.

>>95937859
>Nta but that's not a lot of option for what is meant to be a very expensive elite unit.
A lot of elite units have few options or even hidden options via armory.

>>95938067
From all the descriptions I've seen, it looks like they're all rather individually crafted, while Marines are more mass produced. Don't think they got a black carapace, since that's a Marine implant. They likely interface with their armour in a different way.

>>95938067
it doesn't really sound like it but there might be something analogous in play, i got the impression that auramite plate contoured itself with the motions of its user in a more wireless or even aetheric sense in the case of toads
a toad is a singular work of alchemical homunculi artistry whereas marines are mass produced for the express end of total disposability

>>95938070
There is one flashback set during the Unification Wars, before SoS were a thing, where the custodes have a somewhat vague undefined feeling of being incomplete. In another flashback the SoS are already established, and each custodes has a SoS "partner" of sorts that they instinctively recognise. It is nothing romantic or anything, but the pairs do compliment each other incredibly well in combat and can understand one another in an instant without having to use words of even the SoS sign language.

>>95938005
Custodes refers to "his brothers and sisters" though.

>>95938162
How can unmodified SoS be equal to marines or custodes anyway?

>>95938287
Gear and training, like most factions that are not them.

>>95938287
because as nulls they seriously fuck with even non psychics to the point of being sort of invisible or hard to focus on, but they still aren't equals by any stretch and marines can kill them even if they don;t see them like Kharn cutting Krole in half just because of a feeling he had making him strike out like a fly buzzing round your face.

Which HH book is the funniest to read?

>>95938342
Angels exterminatus because they play warahmmer 40k in game, and peter turbo beats the shit outta fulgrim while his officers watch him get his shit pushed in.

>>95938342
i don't think a single one stands out to me in recollection as being particularly humorous
the ferrus manus primarch book is my favorite outright though probably because it actually depicts the great crusade in earnest

>>95936940
Forge worlds were shitting out MkVI in massive quantities in the late heresy arms race and its why the EC were pretty much completely reequipped so its a pretty easy explanation and explicitly why it was the first mark to get upscaled. As for their inductii, a very interesting tidbit from the black books is that based on estimates of prospero survivors the vast majority of TS present on Terra are not accounted for from pre-prospero numbers and mid-heresy recruitment and may or may not even have been real. They’re suspected to have been daemons or deadly illusions cast by sorcery

>>95938105
Not a great idea considering half fell two chaos, twohad to be purged, and the remaining ones had varying shades of mental issues

>>95938323
Do 'Crons laugh in their faces?

>>95938536
So you really dont read.

>>95937617
>2 breaching 6 shots
Where the fuck is this coming from?
It's breaching 5+
It's only 6+ if you don't take the overheat
You are free to do that too but no one is forcing you
>>95937617
>there's only 1–2 reactions per turn (not per phase, per turn at all)
There is 1 less alottment than there was before per turn and they showed a unit in the trailer that lets you ignore the price once per turn
You are not going to see less reactions any time soon and even if you did no one is going to let you get in melta range unless they are going to make more point back shooting back at you

>>95937832
Yes, it's true. That's why they went out of their way to make special ,heavy and melee weapons a separate kit that you can use with the plain infantry ones. Just to tell you to go fuck yourself and that you can't use them

>>95937898
Nice

>>95938572
NTA, but it's at least -1, and we haven't seen any rules that let you get a +1 yet so possibly -2

In 2.0 you usually had 4 per turn: 1 in each phase, +1 extra in 1 phase every turn while your warlord is alive. Now you get 1 base, 1 for playing 1500-3500, and that's it from rules we've seen so far.

>>95938572
I'm going to refer to 'reactions' as 'stratagems' every single time I play a game of HH and you can't stop me

>>95938712
Would you call charge reactions in WHFB stratagems too?

>>95935537

I find slightly de-chaosed marines work well for Night Lords.

>>95938789
Yes, it's not about being right, it's about pissing people off

>>95938870
I still don't get what the bit on the side is

>>95938870
I was a bit weary of the radome, but with all the crap put on there, I guess it does look more like an unmanned turret.

What's the diameter of the Kratos turret anyway? I've been looking at it as a possible way to make an old school Fellblade (Baneblade with a domed turret).

>>95938903
Its this bit from a ma.k STL pack

>>95938618
>possibly -2
You are still not getting into 12" range unless you opponent is retarded. If he had plasmaguns you wouldn't even get to try

>>95938572
>no one is going to let you get in melta range
Im calling it now. one of the "meta" combos if MM or meltas are not properly pointed is going to be a full 10man squad of either emlta guns or MM, with a warmonger to teleport them in that 12 inch range.

>>95939088
yeah, it's 100% guaranteed the second they made deepstrike 1" with zero scatter.
There are literally only two possibilities.
Either all deepstrike in the entire game will be fundamentally useless.
Or 10man melta deepstrike will be overpowered.
It's not possible for them to give enemy the ability to counter 10 meltas appearing anywhere on the entire board impossible to actually screen with 100% reliability unless they give anti-DS counterplay like the "cant DS within 12" of this unit" device that would make things like tactical pod drop armies entirely useless.

>>95939220
Id wager interceptor is still a thing. You can still get clever if you can land outside of LoS of any real shooting threat.

Drop Pod Assault I'm sure is in. So that's multiple.

>>95939088
>>95939088
and what are you going to kill with this 400p melta deathstar?
You wound AV14 on 6s and every other tank is going to be less than half its points because vehicle squadrons are no longer a thing.
Not to mention that everyone is just going to dump all their reaction allotments on intercepting you, which even if they hit on 5s that's still a lot of shots since it's only ever 1 target unit.
I don't know if that's gonna be as useful as you all seem to think it is

>>95938834
these are based from what, 40k legionaries? looks good

>>95939389
no chance a melta squad is 400 points and it'll still one-shot the most expensive dreadnought in game or a 400 point tank

Made a unit list for my hypothetical chapter, divided into two Cohorts. Am I missing anything capability wise that a chapter should have? I'm a bit worried I've got too many heavy units and not enough bolter pigs.

Ismenios Configuration:

Coiled Cog:

First Veteran Harrow
1x Daedalus, Forge Lord
1x5 Commanders in Tartaros
5x Consuls
5x Iron Circle Maniple
1x10 tartaros honour guard
4x 10 Lernaean Terminators with Land Raiders
2x10 Vets in Assault Drills
5x Techmarines
2x9 Thallax
2 Contemptor Dreadnoughts
2 Leviathan Dreadnoughts

Second Destroyer Harrow
1xMoritat Prime
1x20 Assault Destroyers in a Thunderhawk
4x10 tactical Support squads with rhinos 4x10 Destroyers in Rhinos

Third Line Harrow
1xCenturion
4x10 Tacticals in rhinos
2x20 tacticals in Land raiders
6 Apothecaries
2x5 Castellax
2x3 Rapiers

Fourth Armoured Harrow
8 Sabres
8 predators
4 Sicarans
2 Kratos
1 Fellblade

Fifth Support Harrow
3x Thanatar
2x10 Tyrant Siege Terminators
4x10 Heavy Support
4x Rapiers
6 Vindicators
4 Scorpius
1 Typhon


Hesperios:

First Veteran Harrow
1x Commander
2xAdvisors
2x10 Effrit in rhinos
4x10 Headhunters in rhinos
4x10 Veterans in land raiders

Second Recon Harrow
1xExodus
6x10 Recon Marines in rhinos
4x10 Seekers in land raiders

Third Line Harrow
4x10 Tacticals in thinos
2x20 tacticals in land raiders
2x10 Tac support in rhinos
8x Apothecaries
4x3 Rapiers

Fourth Armored harrow
16 Sabres
16 Predators
8 Sicarans

Fifth Support Harrow
4x10 Heavy Support in rhinos
4x Xiphons
4x Scorpius
4x Fire Raptors
1x Stormbird

>>95939451
That's what they cost now with a warmonger
A 400p tank is likely AV14 and we still don't know if reinforced is a thing. You might not even be able to wound them
The new stupid expensive dreadnought has a -1S field for melta weapons, T8, 8W and a 4++. Statistically, you will not kill it in one go with 10 meltaguns.
And it's going to intercept you, likely with ap2/3 weapons. You might not even do that one wound.

>>95939386
interceptor is no counter at all when they can teleport essentially anywhere they want with a congo line that can shoot through its own men. And it burns their reaction (making the DS player's shooting phase entirely unopposed stompfest) and the interceptor loses almost all their firepower by being forced to Snap Shots and tanks can only use Defensive Weapons (so nothing actually a threat)

It's really funny hearing some retard say "you're allowed to freely teleport anywhere on the board, that means it's balanced because you'll always choose to go to the only spot you don't win"

No, actual adults will always choose the spot on turn 2 or 3 or 4 where there is no statistical chance of the enemy winning. The defending player never gets to make a single choice in the placement, it's entirely on the person who can freely appear anywhere since 30k rules writers are so retarded they didn't put a 9.1" restriction like Games Workshop already figured out through trial-and-error 10+ years ago.

>>95939557
>No, actual adults will always choose
... the spot where their juiciest melta target is in full view of the best unit to intercept and nothing can hide from it and be within 6" of the target.

>>95934633
Depends what legion and what play style you like.
Transports will probably be useful regardless, but that's about all we can say knowing what we know.

>>95939557
>turn 2 or 3 or 4
by turn 3 the land raider has disgorged its contents, by turn 4 your 400p differential has cost you the game.

>>95938105
He created a new race of champions, but they're not what the Men of Gold 2.0 are meant to be, are they?
The Emperor created the Primarchs when his perpetual friends all abandoned him, as he needed immortal generals to fight the Crusade.
Had the perpetual not left him, he wouldn't have made the Primarchs.
Then the Primarchs themselves got stolen, which precipitated the need for long lived warriors – if there wasnt going to be immortal generals, then the armies themselves needed to be immortal. Which in turn made Thunder Warriors not only obsolete, but a liability.
Had Primarchs not been kidnapped, Marines wouldn't have been created.
The original plan was to have mortal armies with ephemeral superhuman champions led by immortal generals, but their absence necessitated long lived superhuman armies that could operate whilst their Demigod lords were being searched for.

And all of that was merely to pave the road in realspace for the New Men to arrive. Now that door's closed.

>>95933601
Interex? Also chance of corrupted mech is high.

>>95939557
>when they can teleport essentially anywhere they want with a congo line that can shoot through its own men.
I have a distinct feeling this isn't going to be a thing in 3.0

>>95939557
Nigga you don't even fucking know if TSS have access to deepstrike
Drop pods were incredibly reliable in 2.0 and and meltaguns could blow up tanks even easier than they can now but no one has ever bitched about them. So where the fuck are you all coming from now?
Intercept doesn't take away almost all their firepower. You hit on 5s now with snapshots. That's half the fire power still there. And you can count on multiple units shooting at you if you are actually dangerous.
And none of that even matters with how shit meltaguns seem to be at dealing with anything worth all this trouble

>>95939660
It isn't. You have to place the whole unit in coherency and within 6" of the first model and he's ignoring a lot of other stuff but you can't really expect someone who bitches about something so passionately to have actually read the rules, can you?

>>95938162
Bro oof give
>>95938287
They're not, sadly :( source, look up Jenetia Krole's death
But SoS do the best a unaugmented human can.

Which begets the question: why not upgrade SoS into posthumanhood? Makes me think at least the Custodians bio alchemy involves a warp step. That each of them need a bit of His radiance in order to exist, and that cannot be done to SoS

>>95939648
Do we know what the Men of Stone and Men of Gold were? Has it been confirmed that Men of Stone were the Votann?

>>95939686
>why not upgrade SoS into posthumanhood
Geneseed doesn't work on women, and Custodes are vat-grown from scratch so you can't just make them Pariahs, or at least Big E doesn't know how
>What about male Pariahs
Culexus temple takes them all, they're already pretty much male SoS anyways, possibly even stronger

>>95939706
>Custodes are vat-grown from scratch
No, they are not?
They are the sons of the most trusted Terran nobility

>>95939731
they are? I thought each of them was "hand-crafted" by the Emperor, which I assumed just meant he grew them all in tubes. Can they even make more? I'm not up to date on their lore. There's only supposed to be 10k of them right?

>>95939686
Would you rather upgrade one of your best baseline humans or a pretty shit random one into the same result?
>>95939706
Custodes are sons of nobles and stuff, they were never vat grown but they do get remade down to the atomic level during the process so ymmv on if there is a difference.

>>95939744
Not up to date either but I'm pretty sure custodes production is still a thing in 40k
Hand crafted as opposed to mass produced marines, not made from scratch, I assume.

>>95938162
I find it funny how GW makes a big deal of Jenetia, having her in the cinematic recently, and how lore establishes her as being one of the Emperor's oldest warriors, Constantin's partner, and then Abnett kills her off like she's a joke, and nobody gives a shit. Great way to make the Sisters of Silence cool

>>95939753
>ymmv on if there is a difference.
At least for 40k there is, since I assume their soul remains. That's how the setting gets around the teleportation dilemma.

>>95939744
>>95939770
According to their codex, it seem like they're still being made.

/HHG/ you all got a model that you like, or know you need for your army but for some reason you just hate fucking painting it?

For me its the rapier, they are kinda never not a good unit to have, and so because of it i always wanna get a set of them, but fuck me they just suck horribly to paint, that kit shows their age bad.

>>95938278
>"This is how Diocletian looks to the world outside his brothers and Sisters."
Since Sisters is capitalized but not brothers, he could just be referring to the Sisters of Silence. I can't find him saying sisters without a capital

>>95939744
Yeah they have gene alchemists and chirugeons in Terra who make more, and the Custodes themselves oversee creation too. We're told there's some element of overwriting the soul, like there's nothing recognizable of the original kid.

>>95935471
Not really 30k, but I really like the 40k BT castellan model and I wanna use it for my Alpha Legion, but I'm not sure what to use him as (I already have a couple chaplains that I barely use) or if he really fits the army's aesthetic.

>>95939792
sons and daughters*

>>95939853
Nothing really screams 40k aside from the Templar cross and maybe the little cross on the chain. Everything else can be chalked up to artificer armor

>>95936803
What'd you make the platform out of?

>>95939220
>guaranteed the second they made deepstrike 1" with zero scatter.
Why don't they just add scatter instead? Charging out of deep strike would be fair if the unit still scattered, because scatter is random and you don't know where you're going to end up. But let there be mishaps for deepstriking into units or terrain, like 7E did, right?
That sounds workable

>>95939858
I can't wait for the first femstode model because even if it's just a head on a standard body the shitshow is gonna be legendary. I hope that flimsy looking guardian spear they previewed is one.

>>95940216
>Charging out of deep strike would be fair if the unit still scattered
not really.
Charging out of DS was one of the most broken things they ever introduced into the game and there is a reason why it did not exist for the majority of warhammers life time, and was only really introduced in modern 40k back in 8th ed, and it was as broken as you think.
Scatting does not really help the issue because you have a good chance of not scattering and a sizable change that you wont scatter in a native manner.

>>95940216
I already typed up a word doc for three different deepstrikes; Deep Strike (Precise Drop), which is what it is now. Then I added Deep Strike (Teleportarium) and Deep Strike (Rapid Decent) plus a mishap table with status effects. I'll present it to the homies after a few rounds of 3.0 to see if its worth it.

My Iron retards.

>>95940252
I think charging out of DS should only be possible if you pay a premium for it, so kamikaze squads aren't viable. Then again, kamikaze melta squads have always been the soul of the game

>>95940252
You're in the minority here. We don't want a max shooting edition. Deepstrike assaults with scatter are fine and keep gunline armies honest.

>>95940252
I dunno, in literally half the games I've played with my termite list my opponent has gotten to pick where they wind up, and I've had bad scatters in others, too.
But, you can't charge out of termites, so I guess it's different still. Just scatter can still suck.

>>95940252
I 100% agree with this sentiment
you are basically guaranteeing you get a charge roll on whatever unit you want, without subjecting the deep striking unit to at least a turn of shooting
it's fucking stupid

>>95940268
heh, stripes

Charging out of deepstrike should deny your set up move so you're just left with the best of 2d6.

>>95940268
are those sprue ERA panels? you've given me something very significant to work off of, maybe... thank you

>>95940300
Oh no, not another Anon going full slav

>>95934074
I mainly play iron hands, but i sprinkle some sallies and a raven guard models through out to represent a more shattered legion.
I like to take note of fun things that happen during games, and those models have a tendency to perform more hijinks than my iron hand models so some have been promoted.

>>95939711
The NL were not officially censured by Emps in any meaningful way shape or form. Why would the Law autist have any real reason to turn traitor?

>>95940270
correct, it needs to be something like unique to specifics RoW or characters like the warmonger.
>>95940273
Thats fine if im in the minority, does not mean im not right. Charging out of deep strike broke editions in the past, the the evidence of them making intercept asininely strong is proof of that. Typical GW fashion though they swing from one extreme to the other.

I could very easily tolerate a characters granting the ability to charge out of DS. But the thing to consider why its so powers to be able to charge outta deep strike its its a way to move a very killy unit up the board without being shot at the entire time. The only way you are getting terminators into melee is waddling them while they get plinked away, or taking a very expensive transport to hope to god it does not explode, vs DS which is just there, in your face, ready to go, and unimpeded by getting up the board.
Being able to charge outta DS base is broken.

>>95940300
Yes they are about a fingertips length of cut sprue.

>>95940390
I was thinking more along the lines of "only Kharybdis-tier pricetag" gets you assault from DS

>>95940304
oh yes
had to dig around even for this to have a glimpse of what a form might look like having been used
important visual basis. my guys are fucked up around the edges

>>95940413
I got no issue with charging outta a assault vehicle like a ram from deep strike because you are paying the massive amounts of points to do that.

When i say deep strike i mean like things teleporting or jumping onto the table like terminators, assault marines shit like that.

>>95940304
Full slav would be using human auxiliaries as ERA. Which to be honest sounds like a very IW thing to do

>>95939690
I think the Men of Stone were the predecessors of modern Votan
>>95939706
I'm saying Custodian Cellular Alchemy does work on women (allegedly), but it involves a warp component, so it doesn't work on Pariahs (male or female)
And Geneseed doesn't work on women, so there's no real method to enhance SoS besides:
1. Hypnosis
2. A muzzle
Pariah genes also seem incompatible with Decent Hairstyles

>>95940350
They were facing censure for blowing up Nostramo (which was a massive source of adamantium, likely why Emps was unhappy about it since it's a rare and important material for all sorts of shit), but the Heresy happened before anything came of that.

>>95940252
>>95940279
>There is no way to defend against 2.0's precise melee deepstrikes
>No, you cannot bring a Master of Signals or Command Rhino or Proteus Land Raider to force disordered drops
>No, you cannot Intercept the newcomer and then Overwatch. Overwatch should kill a terminator in the charge, unless it's my unit; then it's too oppressive.
>No, you cannot keep your shooting inside a ring of bodyblockers. Which would be more of a thing if there were scatter and mishaps from said scatters
Guess you gotta wait a full turn before charging, bro. Better put some dedicated scopes on those Assault Marine bolt pistols, their main weapons

>>95938323
Kharn killed her purely by accident but Master of Mankind had the demon slashing the "empty" spaces to get SoS kills

>>95940558
>everyone must list tailor
>everyone must take the specific anti deepstrike units
>everyone must put their models in cocentric rings around their shooting castle
jesus christ shut up and go play 40k

>>95939853
with a bit of conversion work, and different shoulder pads, I think he'd made a good tech marine or something. I bought one for that purpose, but haven't got around to him yet

>>95940268
second half my freshly painted batch.

>>95940583
>I bring a Land Raider
>"Aaah how dare you force me to list tailor to tackle AV14! I only brought flamers!"
It happens.
I once deployment tailored against a massed Infiltration army. I simply castled up and plugged any holes in my DZ, and all his infiltrators could do was get close to my death ball so they could be killed faster.

>>95940583
>everyone must take the specific anti deepstrike units
Or the the actual reality of the situation which is taking the ability to intercept for free on your shooting units because of course you would

>>95940712
How dare you force me to list tailor by buying Augury scanners :(

>>95940522
>They were facing censure
were?

>>95940583
>>everyone must put their models in cocentric rings around their shooting castle
Based. Or don't castle and bring a biker horde instead lol

>>95940712
nothing free about spending your stratagem points on an intercept which forces snapshots (enjoy hitting on 6s) and restricts tanks from using useful weapons (a tank isn't allowed to defend itself with its primary weapon - yet a 10man lascannon squad can shoot 10 lascannons when using stratagems)

And even if you decide to spend your stratagem point on intercept, which only deals tickle damage, that only comes after they decide where to place the unit, which considering it magically teleports anywhere on the entire board, will never be in sight of a shooting unit that can actually harm them. There's no longer any scatter, so there's a 0% chance that the DS comes down into a place your "shooting units" that actually deal non-tickle damage will ever get to use any intercepts.

>>95940725
Curze was close to Fulgrim? I had read Mortarion was close only to Horus (who was liked by everyone)...and Curze. Source HH1.
I wish I could read more about Morty & Curze's friendship. Same between their legions. Both are spooky and kill planets wholesale.

>>95940734
Why are you mixing 2.0 and 3.0 rules?

In 2.0 you can easily get intercept with no reactions being used because of augury scanners

in 3.0 you can't even charge out of deep strike

>>95940734
Hance there should be scatter. You act like people want scatterless melee deepstrikes. I want both scatter and a mishap table otherwise you could just drop directly on top of enemies and move the unit until they are further than 1", and then melee.
Otherwise, you already solved scatterless deeptrike: it's Melta hour, simple as.

>>95940268
>>95940615
Is there anything like ERA in 40k (fluff or rules)? There's side skirts (Armoured Company rules), anti-magnetic paste (AC), ablative armour (2e), ceramite armour (2e, AC, HH, etc.), reinforced armour (2e), anti-psychic armour (2e, GK), but I don't remember seeing anything resembling ERA. Maybe one could use ablative armour rules (ignore first pen from direct attacks)?

If deepstrikes without scatter is so good, how come I never saw people deepstriking melta TSS? Drop pods are immune to interceptor, because Interceptors hit the drop pods, then the units inside disembark right? (I never saw anyone use drop pods at all)

>>95939853
one thing I've always really liked about the old Helbrect model is the use of Terminator pads on the shoulders

that and that his combi-melta is just a regular meltagun with a bolt pistol stuck to the bottom for when you absolutely, positively have to double-tap a bitch, he's a very quietly brutal model overall, not like your standard pose-and-shoot or leaping-asshole captains

>>95940764
>There is armoured ceramite
Nah it was all a dream bro

>>95940777
I fucking hate how all the faggoty fucking arms these CAD cunts can barely manage don't just fucking POINT THE FUCKING PISTOL AT THE ENEMY they all have this stupid fucking bend at the elbow like they're too dainty and they have to fire with their pinkies extended like they got syphilis from taking it up the ass.

>>95940777
>post yfw meltachuds find out they brought back armored ceramite as an upgrade for every vehicle making them immune to armorbane

>>95940767
Because melta TSS with a drop pod are in the ballpark of 335 points and might kill 2-3 terminators before dying like 10 tacticals sitting next to a drop pod would

The bigger reason though is that TSS can't take a drop pod except in drop pod assault, so your entire list has to be about it

>>95940812
At last, a way for Lascannons to inflict status effects :^)

>>95940745
>Curze was close to Fulgrim
Fulgrim was his senpai when it came to running a legion and Fulgrim truly appreciated how perfectly well behaved Nostramo was. If we take BL as canon he was the only one who truly complemented Cruze during their first meeting.
Fulgrim broke that trust by talking to Dorn out of concern.

>>95940745
When Big E found Curze he had Fulgrim teach him the ins and outs of war.

>>95940767
In 2.0, interceptor explicitly says it works after a unit disembarks, so it just means your suicide squad gets fucking raped.

Honestly DS in 2.0 is quite literally the worse version of deep-fried in any version of the game I have seen.

It's written to be extremely all or nothing. Disordered rng roll can utterly fuck you, interceptor being wide spread and very powerful means you need MASS deep-fried or risk just being obliterated by interceptor.
And charge from DS is extremely powerful, to the point it will easily make or break the round on a single dice roll.

7e/HH 1.0 deepstrike was fine desu.

>>95940840
>Fulgrim truly appreciated how perfectly well behaved Nostramo was. If we take BL as canon he was the only one who truly complemented Cruze during their first meeting.
Dang. Where do I read about that? Sounds cool

>>95940809
The limited arm poses, plus every model set being entirely identically poses is very gay, yes.

>>95940809
anon are you shooting guns with your arms rigid

are you

I wonder if this new stuff will end up in LIgma. The big models can lavish my hemorrhoid with saliva but a bucket of mini saturnine terminators and dreadnoughts would be straight up hilarious.

>>95940850
I want to say it was Prince of Crows in one of Sev's flashbacks to Cruze living on Nostramo but it's been a minute.

>>95940809
The suit compensates for it so they fan shoot in almost any position

>>95940809
That's why you are the best, Boss.

Each Custodes is a literally unique work of art elevated to full power by treatments tailored to each individual, with an atrociously high mortality rate.
The problem with femstodes isn't female custodes in m42, which could be explained away with Cawl or STCs or Roboute overturning an old prohibition, but that GW doubled down and said that there were always femstodes.

I just bought my dad $90 bucks of lighters which translates to about 7 for his birthday that he hates celebrating because his dad didn't care about him. Should I have bought myself a vindicator instead?

>>95940847
>7e/HH 1.0 deepstrike was fine desu.
100% agree with this, it did not need to be over complicated, and i still stand by the fact that in general reactions did not actually help with the game it only added more problems to it

>>95940764
Aren't Flare Shields the high tech version of that?

>>95941035
>>95940847
HH1 DS meant building those stupid huge daisies out of infantry units

HH2 DS is about building cover with your landing vehicles, positioning your disembarked units and if necessary causing Pinning tests that work 1/4 of the time on Ld8 to avoid the reactions

it's nobody's fault but your own if you're using it exclusively for melee instead of stealing objectives or blocking advance routes

>>95941061
what are you talking about? DS in 2.0 was 100% about daisy chaining your dudes, you always put your big fat 20 man blob down and spread them out then you could deep strike within range of that squad. DS in 2.0 was fucking stupid.

If you actually think 1.0 was more daisy chaining then 2.0 idk what the fuck you are on about.

>Angron couldn't conquer his homeworld

>>95941138
worse then that, he literally got cucked at the last fucking second.

>>95941138
>couldn't conquer his homeworld
>couldn't keep his legion from accepting the same poison that destroyed him
>couldn't destroy Terra
>couldn't even destroy Ultramar properly just sorta fucked around
>biggest contribution was killing his own kids on Istvaan 3 which wasn't even necessary

>>95941061
Anon what are you smoking?

1.0 DS rules meant you had to clump your DS units in base to base circles - in an edition with MANY ap2 pie plates, ap2 plasma cannons etc.

2.0 DS actively encourages you to daisy chain as hard as possible (and I would go as far as saying actively punishes you for not doing so)

>>95941035
Original DS rules were good because it was harder to do mass DS (outside of drop pod lists where your entire army is built around it) since you're rolling reserves per unit.

The all or nothing nature of DS in 2.0, both on the sides of the DS player and the receiving player of needing to intercept the shit out of them, made DS honestly an unfun mechanic, both to use or to play against.

I feel like in 3.0 they realised the horrific issues of 2.0 DS, and just decided to hard nerf it into the floor by only allowing one reserve per turn instead of just... going back to the old fine rules.

>>95941035
Reactions are gay because they take away from the immersion of the game. Previously, a unit going to ground or overwatching was the UNIT reacting to what was happening on the tabletop.

Reactions as a game mechanic is the PLAYER reacting, taking away agency from your individual units and replacing it with yugiho trap cards.

Nothing is dumber than one unit overwatching meaning every other unit in your army can now only stare slackjawed, eyes glazed over as they get charged, since you the player used your one 'do something' token.

I also think it cheapens the unique mechanics of each legion. Previously they could have strong, army wide mechanics (and drawbacks), which was replaced by One use only, by only one unit, magical trap cards for the Player.

Its part of why 40k is so shitty these days. The game is both simplified and very 'gamey' instead of actually feeling like 2 armies fighting it out on an actual battlefield.

>>95941148
Thought you were talking about Mortarion for a second.

>>95940963
My problem with that, outside of my own opinion Femstodes cannot escape heavy fetishism, it that there shouldn't be female superhumans, because of the danger those could somehow reproduce (pic related).
If superhumans are kept male, then they are obligated to defend the mortal population if they wish to replenish their numbers, thus ensuring they protect the lesser, normal human species.
Female superhumans achieving reproduction means they no longer need to, and can go on to fully replace now-obsolete baseline humans.

>>95941032
>I just bought my dad $90 bucks of lighters
So, one?

>>95941095
It never even occurred to us you could deploy the incoming units spread out. I guess we're just not homosexual.

>>95941169
I think I'm going to like the new Stratagem-Reactions of 3.0.
>Yeah every unit can naturally react with snapshots. But if you want one of them to focus on it, you can devote your attention to it - that's what Reaction Points are.
I hope you can Go To Ground normally (+1 to cover but can't move next turn, is forced to snapshot [which got better] and cannot Overwatch), but can improve it through a Reaction into Evade (5+ Damage Mitigation, no debuff afterwards)

>>95941281
Mortarion at least killed almost all of the aliens before almost jobbing to the king alien

>>95938005
Almost as if changing some pronouns in a shitty codex was made to stir controversy on purpose. There's only one animation otherwise but unless there's plastic models of them in the upcoming release? It doesn't seem like GW is very committed to Femstodes. Don't even think they really cater towards anyone but coomers anyway.

>>95939853
Mind the pauldrons that are built into some of the other parts; you will have to do some chopping to remove them. Best of luck anon.

>>95941543
And that's because he got goaded by the Emperor, who was trying to humble him ("there are foes even you cannot slay alone" - 'The Lantern') instead of actually helping him ("There are foes you cannot slay alone. But you're not alone anymore" - 'My Ass').
The Emperor could've helped Mortarion instead of steal his kill, just like how He could have rescued Angron and his freedom fighters instead of kidnap him and left them all to die.
It doesn't even change anything or create an "alternate heresy": Mortarion would still dislike Him and psykers, believing they taint anything they touch. Angron would've kept his Butcher Nails friends and their taint would've contaminate the legion, and he'd still rebel because the Emperor is another tyrant who demands the stars dance to His tune.
He did allow Corax to finish his rebellion, after all.

Built a moritat for the Word Bearers and continuing to work on Gal Vorbak. Man, I always though the "Blood Ravens are Word Bearers successors" retcon was bullshit considering how they were way closer to the TS in behavior, but looking at these guys with white shoulder pads instead of black I can see the resemblance. Still prefer them as KSons though.

>>95941653
The emperor helped Corax to conquer Kiavahr. If Mortarion had gotten so much as a better gas mask then he probably would've been able to kill the last tyrant.

>>95941747
Almost as if the emperor deliberately withheld support from certain primarchs huh

>>95941747
Would it have mattered? Mortarion would have been a dweeb even if the Emperor grabbed the last monster and threw him on the ground in front of Mortarion to land the final blow.

>>95940777
he gonna blow dry some hair with that breaching 6+ fo 15ppm

>>95934074
sarg of my tactical support squad is in a rivalry with a dreadnought over their swordsmanship
unfortunately the dread has no memory prior to being interred and now he just really likes guns so the rival guy eternally seethes at this previous god of fencing worthy of his challenge now just blasting in a fully ranged contemptor

>>95941877
sword autist and his augury scanner

>>95934074
One of the dreads was a Son of Horus who wasn't woken up for either Istvaan, so when it got activated a couple years later and everyone was explaining to it what was going on it killed them all and defected.

>>95941927
This feels like a mixture between Fior di Battaglia and "The enemy cannot Seize the Initiative if you melta his ass"

>>95941148
>couldn't keep his legion from accepting the same poison that destroyed him
why would he deny his "sons" the Nails?

>>95934975

oh god, the snap fit marines were so awful. Back in the day I bought the Dark Vengeance box and the starter paint set with 3 of these dudes. The boltguns and backpacks didn't even fit. It took longer to build these guys than the snap fits from the DV box.
I enjoy the options I get with the 30k tacticals. And they are as easy as they can get: glue torso, glue torso to legs, glue head to torso, glue arms and weapon, glue a ton of optional accessories, done.
I recently got 5 old snap fit Cadians, they were awful as well. Because lazy ass GW made them so one can see the pin that connects the gun to the torso. I had to carefully cut that away.
Afair those marines or some from the DV box also required some cutting around the shoulder pads and the beakie from DV required some correcting cuts on the helmet. Snap fit my ass... this is low quality trash.

Look at this for comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGEKFyyJDlM
GW snap fit should work like that.

>>95941095
>>95941149
>daisy chaining

read it again

>>95942048
Anon, you are fucking retarded, do you actually know how deepstrike worked in 1.0 and 40k for however many years? You cannot daisy chain.

>>95934074
Ive got 3 armies;

>Sisters of Silence
They've been there since the Heresy began, the same Cadre that fought with the Death Guard during the purging of the Jorgall, Jenetia Krole fights with them sometimes. Fought on Prospero against the Thousand Sons, the Webway and Terra

>Death Guard Traitors
After Istvaan 3, they slowly became more and more brutal in their warcrimes, culminating in their turning into Plague Marines (my 40K Death Guard are lead by the same Praetor)

>Blood Angels
Nassir Amit, the army.

>>95935744
all that stunning effort without drilling the gun barrel

>>95935915

>>95942054
read it again

>>95935537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnHU2W5rf6Y

>>95942111
Actually what are you talking about?
The OP, who I assume is you, said

>HH1 DS meant building those stupid huge daisies out of infantry units

As seen by actually reading the rules however, this is not possible. So either reveal this progamer strat that lets you avoid the rules as written, or stop smugposting about how wrong you are.

...Unless you are actually genuinely mentally challenged and are saying 'daisy' instead of 'circle' and are being smug about not knowing how to say circle.

>>95940865
>one guy obsessed about sex with his wife
>another going on about haemorrhoids
what the fuck is with all the gross boomers in these threads recently, I'd hoped a new edition would get them to fuck off.

>>95942158
Wait a minute, is being "obsessed with sex with your wife" some sort of western thing. Because unless this is some "granddad got hooked on Testosteron for his back pains and now he want to fuck 24/7" how do you get "obsessed" with doing it with your wife. I get being obsessed of doing it with another dudes wife. I have seen that happen . But your own. Just bizzar.

Does anyone know if Terminator Cataphract and Tartaros Command squads can still take a full load out of Thunder Hammers, because I just finished one unit of each of those, and I am not sure if I didn't just waste time and money.

>>95942236
as couples get older women typically put out less and less, so their husbands get obsessed with the few times they actually get to have sex. Why do you think wives end up with sports cars, dogs, spending money on yoga, beauty therapy etc it's all handed to them by sex starved husbands.

As for termies we don't know yet in 3.0 beause theres no libers leaked but afawk they should still be an option especially as hammers will be slightly nerfed.

>>95935537
Not finished but I jammed the Nightlords head into the traitor consul champion; I think it looks half decent even though its not painted

>>95942236
There's a major difference between enjoying a healthy sex life with your wife and bringing up how much you fuck unprompted 73 times a thread

>>95942266
This actually looks great, thanks for the photo

>>95942258
yeah that is why when your first wife is 30, you get a second wife, and then if you can afford it a third. After that most men, unless they are extremly rich, just die.

>>95942282
So it is a western thing.

>>95942266
looks cool with high shoulder pads like that you probabaly wouldn't be able to fit any of the Bat Wing helmets on to the guy.

>saturnine price and release date leaked
>all anyone can talk about is fucking the guy's wife

>>95942226
>Nearly 200 of the Kings English pounds.
Well I wasn't planning on getting it, but I'm certainly not getting it now. How much was the AoD box when it released?

>>95942337
not that much. Well I will going to have to settle on buying the pretor and 40-60 mkIIs. not a fan of the new dread or the artilery thingy. new terminators are cool, but I already have 10 printeed saturnites. I just hope GW adds rules for a bolter+fist version in the extended rules.

>>95942337
180 but it rose to 190 with the price increase
If you thought this box would be any cheaper than this you were huffing weapons grade copium

>>95942318
£200 is about $400 dollarydoos.
Add the Antipodes Tax and we're looking at $5-600 dollarydoos. And then $100 for the liber you need.
Little bit rich.

>>95942226
This shit's gonna be like 600 AUD

>>95942348
I didn't think it would be cheaper, but the AoD box had better stuff in it for building an army.

>>95942348
over 200$ box that you have to buy to participate in any store event. GW does have higher spender fans.

>>95942357
>>95942358
Fellow aus bros, want to go into our local gw store and irl pirate the box together?
I really hope no one buys this box as a fuck you to GW for how expensive that shit is

>>95942372
>over 200$ box that you have to buy to participate in any store event
What are you fucking talking about

>>95942377
I'm not interested in anything in the box other than the rulebook anyway, so I'm good.
But that's a high price to ask as the entry point. I feel it'll put off a lot of takers.

>>95942409
GW stores call the police on you unless you buy ever release for the faction you are playing

>>95941148
I would credit him success in the Shadow Crusade along with Lorgar. The warp storm they fed kept UM BA and DA out of the fight for several years.

>>95942358
I remember getting the AoD box for somewhere shy of <$400 AUD at The Combat Company before the price hike happened. Meanwhile fucking Mighty Ape was trying to swindle me for fucking $570 NZD or some shit for the same thing.

Did the Dark Angels flaunt their genocidal superweapons during the Great Crusade, or was it their big secret at the time? not including repressed homo vibes

Would you accept it, with balloons and guns removed?

>>95942558
No, it's such a downgrade in looks compared to the arvus plus it's AoS so that's like 7 strikes against it.

>>95942558
It's a stretch. Also it's a big expensive kit you're cutting half the volume of.

>>95942558
I'm usually really permissive, but it feels like you're kind of taking the piss at that point.

>>95942558
I would be more likely to allow it with the balloon, commit to the bit faggot.

>>95942485
>2 weeks of solid rules, new lore, and box contents
>dripfeed junk third week
>still a month out

>>95942226
Wait, shouldn't the Libers be there too? Why is it only the box on this sheet?

>>95942517
The DA were so turbo autistic about keeping secrets they didn't even show their own weapons to most of the members of their own legion

>>95942658
It's probably set to release a week or 2 before the books

>>95942675
That would mean it goes on preview this week or next which seems unlikely

>>95942675
>>95942658
Maybe the books are GW direct only?

>>95942654
After it's up for pre-order they'll move on to their next thing, with just the odd mention til release.

>>95942704
>>95942704
>>95942704

>>95940725
>>95940522

Wasn't he under constant threat of censure on account of being the fucking Night Lords? Like... of all the Legions, the NL were the ones who changed the least in over ten thousand years.
Even if "the law autist" was felt to be trusted, the idea that at least one of their reinforcements might be traitors as well SHOULD have occurred to them. Fuck if they'd actually been capable of rational thought, neither Vulkan or Corax should have actually been on the Medusa in person. Everyone should have been showing just a bit more paranoia than they seem to have been.
Like, they didn't even seem to have considered the possibility that any of the other Legions involved could betray them.
After HORUS, basically considered to be the most loyal of all the Primarchs turned against them, taking the Death Guard and a legion literally called The Emperors Children with him (nobody is surprised by the World Eaters, except perhaps that it took so long to happen) and nobody seems to have learned that the point of that is that they shouldn't be trusting ANYONE right then.

At the very least they should have seeded the drop site with nukes. Horus literally just did that. The idea should be fresh in everyones minds right then.

Although... to be fair, the idea doesn't seem to have occurred to the traitors either during Istvaan V. Like... if there'd been a single fallback plan or countermeasure in place for betrayal then it would have turned into a very pyrhhic victory at best for Horus.

Like... this really should have occurred to Corax to do this, and it should have occurred to Horus that they might at least have some kind of plan in place if they had.

>>95942409
you need the rules, and any "starting new edition" event at the store will ask for you to buy new stuff. you can't just waltz in with your 2.0ed starter