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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: Most insufferable game/player you've ever had the misfortune to experience?

I fucking hate UB with a passion. not only because it's somehow better than the pozzed shit we get these days but also because they are psuedo reserved list cards

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ
pheldagriff player that whined and cried through a nearly 90 minute match about how he was being targeted after repeatedly trying to give everyone infinite life and kept getting saved by his butt buddy that would remove most of the threats against him

>>95938647
> but also because they are psuedo reserved list cards
just proxy them lol no one except for turbo virgins care about the realness of your cardboard anyways

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ:
Tranny with porn proxies who would get passive aggressive whenever you even looked at their board when they were playing Baylen

>>95938623 (OP)
there's one guy who loads up every single deck with every single expensive power card possible, and only plays decks of that caliber regardless of what anyone else is playing.

And they're all proxied with plenty of claims that he has the real ones at home.

>>95938647
>Hey, lotr right's holders, can we do whatever the fuck we want?
>Hell yes.
>Only sold well because of the 001/001 with a 2 million dollar bounty then dried up when it was confirmed to have been found
>Hey, Square-Enix, can we do whatever we want?
>go fuck yourselves, you can have the license if you don't fuck with canon depictions
>O-okay.
>Best selling set of all time

>TQ
Proxy trannies.
I've never had a problem with proxiers before. In the past it's been people who own 1 copy of the card and can't put it in every deck, or proxy something that's perfect for their deck but they can't afford.

So when the proxy trannies asked if proxies were okay I didn't give it a second thought. What I didn't expect was that almost their entire deck was proxies, including the basic lands, and a lot of it was the most busted goodstuff tm they could get their hands on.
They also loved digging up old completely broken land cards no one's ever heard of, knowing that almost no one runs land destruction these days.
I will never fucking play against them again.

>>95938702
Lord of the Rings still sells very well, there's a bunch of big-money power cards and popular commanders in there

>>95938623 (OP)
Odd guy who sat down at our pod when one guy went to get lunch. He said nothing, pulled out a CEDH deck and started playing without explaining anything, just mumbling to himself as he took moves.

>>95938673
Availability is a powercap for most tables. As soon as you allow proxies the sweaty poorfag will use it as an excuse to proxy up a $4000 deck and insist he's "just trying something out"

>>95938709
The only thing in the entire set worth a damn is the one ring and bowmasters, you can look at the sales figures and how they plummeted and didn't recover after post malone bought the 001/001

>>95938740
Maybe if you play with asocial autists that don't like to communicate with their friends.

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ
I still occasionally think back on a game against a friends "teehee random chaos deck" that felt like it lasted days with nothing happening.
I don't care if it makes me bitch made, now i target him almost exclusively when he pulls out the deck because i dont want to deal with it again.

>>95938673
sure am. if there is one thing UB did good was push people to proxy thanks to scalpers playing stockmarket now that wotc just refuses to reprint them
it's more that the constant flood of consoomers making the next UB set the best seller gives wotc the signal to give less and less effort on universes within sets and just jam them full of quota tokenism and bad lore. for example plargg and nassiri's compleation

>>95938740
talk to people before the match then? why is this such a hard concept for people to fathom in /edhg/ like i play with randoms all the time and rarely ever have these problems

>>95938751
they're still stuffing UW sets full of big-money chase cards

>>95938748
the more normal a person is the more casual they are and the more they're likely to buy real product and question why you're engaging in a game that's above your pay grade

>>95938673
I care immensely

>TQ
Probably the worst game I ever had was against a Jon Irenicus player with every free counterspell in the game. Then he gave everyone an Abyssal Persecutor using clones or whatever and we all just decided to stop.
>>95938673
>proxying
CRING!

>>95938740
Yeah we have heard this shit argument a thousand times and it gets ripped apart each time

>>95938748
Who says they're my friends? I play with up to maybe 12-14 people at a LGS? We all know each other fairly well from games, but I have never spoken to any of them outside the game store, not even online.
They are strictly necessary components of the game I want to play.

>>95938747
Lotr has lots of gas

>>95938748
It wouldn't be 4chan if they weren't asocial autists making up boogymen in their heads.

>>95938800
Keep saying things that aren't true.

>>95938754
>talk to people
>hey guys can we not?
>told no 3 times
What next? Or do people just have to listen to you?

>>95938754
>talk to people before the match then?
Okay.
>i hope proxies are okay!
>no they're not. Your deck is full of bullshit, and you know you built it in a way where you picked the strongest cards you could to proxy, often proxying very old cards most people won't have answers to
>that's all I've brought though, are you saying I'm not allowed to play????
That'll go down great anon.

>>95938783
>Marx deboonked this centuries ago!!!!
Breadtube coats you like a sticky oil.

>>95938812
then you just stick to your guns and tell him politely but firmly to find another table.

>>95938810
>>95938812
move tables
play a strong deck yourself
go to a different store if 100% of the people there are somehow of that mindset

>>95938805
Delighted halfling is one of the best dorks. Mirkwood bats is a wincon. Mithril coat is pretty premiere colorless protection. All the fancy mono lands but specifically the white one. Dawn of a new age. Entish restoration. Quite a few commanders most notably id say Lotho. Reprieve is a new white staple borne upon a wind. I could definitely keep going but it's safe to say you're an edhrec fag who doesn't know the games card pool very well

>>95938702
The worst is yet to come

I see the anti proxy sperg is melting down again

>>95938837
Spider-Man is going to flop. I can feel it in my bones.

>arguing about proxies again
CHANGE THE CHANNEL!

>>95938848
discuss the very real threat of product fatigue shooting Spider-Man and Avatar in the foot (it's already going to kill EOE)

>>95938848
Never. I must protect the billion dollar company

>>95938848
Someone gifted me a Flip-Sephiroth and it just arrived in the mail today, so that's pretty cool. Not sure where I'll put it, but I imagine Slimefoot would enjoy it.

>>95938751
>if there is one thing UB did good was push people to proxy
people were proxying well before UB, wotc knows the technology is already there to proxy perfectly fine cards so they're simply taking a page out of chanel and louie vitton and making the game a luxury, in this case a hobby using cardboard
if you roll your eyes at women bothering to use fake luxury bags then guess what you're the exact same as those bitches kekw

>>95938858
"gifted"

>>95938845
I want to believe

>>95938827
And if he refuses to move?

I'm going to do it. I'm going to find out just how retarded I am.

>>95938868
then the rest of you move to a different table
or you go nuclear and tell the clerk/shop owner

>>95938865
What would you call "If you don't pull one from your boxes, I'll send it to you"
followed by me not pulling it, so they sent it to me
>>95938874
I believe in you

>>95938874
Starting strong

Got this guy from a booster and the lgs clerk even gave me the promo poster with this art.
Can't decide which direction to take the deck as he is pretty much just a ridiculous value engine.
I have been thinking of Mill, artifact or maybe flier deck.

>store officially allows proxies so you can't do the I REFUSE TO PLAY WITH PROXIES shit and you either deal with it or leave
Based

post irl dicks, I mean decks, I mean cocks

>>95938910
protect him because he WILL be hated off the board by anyone with a brain

>>95938912
>store
yet another nerd cafe selling food masquerading as a cardgame store KEK

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>95938623 (OP)
>Most insufferable game/player you've ever had the misfortune to experience?
These old miserable fucks that used to play the old formats and use commander as their retirement home, making every pod they touch horrible to play in no matter which other players they play with and they are so fucking slow to play their solitaire decks that takes forever and they can't make a decision for their lives because they have to play 'optimal' and I hate every last one of them.
I'll refer you to ealier post I've made on the subject.
>>95899819
>>95857832

>>95938979
just gonna keep posting it until someone responds, huh

Any suggestions or feedback on this Orzov pile? I'm going for control/punishment over counter proliferate. Trying hard not to put in Bartolome

https://moxfield.com/decks/bdHvVa8oskKqNaoQj-B6Aw

>>95938910
I was interested in him at first but I think I’d rather just play Kess. Unless you’re doing some sort of storm thing in response to his upkeep trigger, him locking your graveyard after flipping kills him for me. Having to wait for your upkeep to flip him is also pretty annoying.

>>95938990
Respond to what? I'm venting.

>>95938837
It's gonna go the way of assassin's creed. But even assassin's creed had some cards that looked in universe.

>>95938923
Now that I got all the cards from my LGS it's done for now. I love how this plays, dropped Grinding Station as a wincon to instead put in Gogo for funny trigger copying or another creature for Unshakable Tail to see when I surveil

>>95938812
>deck is full of bullshit, and you know you built it in a way where you picked the strongest cards you could to proxy
I've had the displeasure to play with not a few guys that did this. It's why I am cautious around proxy guys.

I really wish they didn't fuck up so hard with her art. She's decent but the art style is putting me off running her

>>95938812
>>95938868
have you tried not being too poor to buy a precon though?

>>95938827
>>95938831
It's a small place and there are frequently only 5-6 people at commander on any given night. Having 8-10 is a rare occurence, and even then that's like 2 tables bud.
Now what?

>>95939068
>just buy a precon for someone else to play
Lmao fuck off.
How many times are you willing to do that anon?

>>95939090
go on /edhg/ and cry i guess

Can I make this guy as bullshit as it appears I can?

>>95939094
Way ahead of you.

>>95939090
then I guess proxyboy is playing duel commander or is going to have to find a different store that night

>>95939098
I dunno, can you, anon?

>>95939098
>artifact that does things when tapped
probably

>>95938979
I only play bracket 4 and I don’t care about your fun, that’s for you to make for yourself. The fun comes from each player trying to win in spite of every other player’s best efforts .

>>95939121
I only play stax and land hate. I don't care about your fun either. :^)

>>95939098
I want to believe this deck will be busted out the gate.

>>95939062
It's fine desu. The biggest problem is that she is absolutely garbage as a commander.
How the fuck did we not get a main set yuffie anyways.

Thank you USPS
5 stars
10/10
no notes.

Wonder if I should even contact the seller since it isn't their fault at all.

>>95939098
Aura of Dominion + Pentad Prism gives you infinite tap/untap and proliferates

>>95939093
>that's all I've brought though, are you saying I'm not allowed to play????
at some point gatekeeping is required for complete, unadulterated poorfags

>>95939148
It likely will, but even still no one want to buy it.

>>95939158
gatekeeping is a myth

>>95939044
unironically flavorful deck, 8/10
>>95938923
>Multani mono-green
extremely based, 10/10

>>95939158
I agree, and that gatekeeping is never opening the door to proxying to begin with

So what the fuck do I do with this exactly?

>>95939168
anons are quick to say we didn't gatekeep enough to keep the normies out but anons can't do the bare minimum which is to gatekeep poorfags

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ: Most insufferable game/player you've ever had the misfortune to experience?
A severely autistic guy who would just cut his deck over and over instead of shuffling and then spent the whole game just helping his friend.
It was frustrating because I didn't feel like I could call him out on it because he was obviously shoot retarded. Didn't stop me from seething when he counterspelled my removal on his friends commander for the 3rd time.

>>95939150
The face looks really bad. I really wish they had given her to a JP artist so it at least fit with the other characters from FF7.
Sadly yes I hate the disservice she has gotten compared to the FF7 characters. I wish she had a commander version in the main set

>>95939178
yeah most of 4chan is retarded

>>95939168

Anyone else have any mtg Mandela effects?
I swear to God this card just had Disallow's text on etb, not just instants and sorceries. I've been cheating for years apparently lmao

Do you think they are going to make any more sets anytime soon to allow more commanders of missed FF characters people like?
Honestly I need a 2nd FF set right now

>>95939177
Put it in your chaff pile

>>95939184
The only way to gatekeep involves crime. Being a douche or telling someone to leave isn't gatekeeping. Gatekeeping is stopping someone. Words don't stop. Physical interaction does.

>>95939177
Put it in the spokes of your bike to make a cool motorcycle sound.

>>95939177

>>95938912
You can refuse to play with anyone doe

>>95939193
>Gatekeeping is stopping someone. Words don't stop. Physical interaction does.
Bro has seriously never heard "the pen is mightier than the sword"

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ

Last FNM I had a player play back to back solitare decks: First was a non-deterministic Stella Lee storm deck he took legit 10 minutes to actually storm off on. Then, having gone "I'm sorry guys, that wasn't very interactive" he immediately then played the Manifest dread Zimone and proceeds to Worldly tutor his Ashaya to shit his deck onto the board.

I'm mostly mad at myself for adding myself to the "Advanced" bracket that week which ends up just being Cedh for shitty deck builders/pilots as opposed to just playing with full casuals.

>>95939193
>Being a douche or telling someone to leave isn't gatekeeping
you know those mean girls that roll their eyes at those bitches that get caught using fake luxury bags?
men do the same, except we sneer and look down at poorfags
it's the same idea, no "crime" needed, just pure public shaming, which btw needs to be brought back

>>95939187
Given how popular the FF set was, it would not surprise me if we eventually got a second FF set. Especially considering how well the FF set seems to have been treated compared to the upcoming marvel sets.
Will probably take a minimum of 3 years though.

>>95939202
>See, I am a douche and that stopped the person from playing!
I have never heard of a case of this happening ever.

>>95939200
Wrong

>>95939152
A lot of the time the seller has to put a complaint in, so yeah you should.

>>95939207
And that does nothing to gatekeep at all.
You don't gatekeep. You act like a channer for self satisfaction and to feel you accomplished someone outside of one person thinking you are a prick and asking someone else.
But keep believing you've done jack or shit. It is clearly the only achievement in your pathetic life.

>>95939145
That’s okay I’ll just play my MLD deck

>>95939217
>It is clearly the only achievement in your pathetic life.
au contraire, i've achieved being richer than you to afford playing luxury cardboard LOL

>>95939152
What the fuck did they do to it?

>>95939169
>Golbez deck
>doesn't have either of the FF Crystals he can run
>doesn't have Kokusho or Junji
>zero references to the moon, mind control, airships, twins, crystals, or indeed anything to do with Golbez or even FF4 at all
>just a generic UB artifact shell
>flavorful
trip back on

>>95939209
Leftoids constantly complain about fields of science and hobbies not being welcoming enough to women, troons, disableds etc

>>95939227
Looking at the package and how it looks crushed open by something thin, I am assuming it got trapped in some sort of thin-dull-blade like area during sorting. The package and the case look crushed open rather than cut.

To be fair I've probably had like 500+ packages and this never happened. Better on a dollar card than some 50+ dollar card. My main issue is now I have to hope my LGS has a copy. Or wait another two weeks.

>>95939232
No one mentioned your deranged politics. Fuck off.

>>95939208
>Will probably take a minimum of 3 years though.
Depends if they push back UW sets again which they have done. I believe originally that noted that it takes 18 months to make a set so if they saw the success and jumped on it immediately it's possible to get faster.

>Marvel sets
Ya these are destined for failure

>marvel is gonna flop
I wish.

>>95939231

>>95939244
>"no ones ever been kept out of anything just by words!!!!!"
>there seem to be a lot of people convinced that they are kept out of spaces even with no words at all lol
>"REEEEE WHY'D YOU HAVE TO BRING POLITICS INTO IT?!?!?!?"
You have a hair trigger anon

Who is your favorite FF commander so far? Honestly I have been loving both versions of Terra the most. Though Noctis and Choco deserve and honory mention

>>95939250
i wish doctor who gets cancelled so gavin can cry about it

>>95939259
It already was, anon.

>>95939250
Compared to FF it will. All people are going to be talking about in 6 months is how badly superman did compared to FF and how something must have gone wrong.

The set has no commander decks and the cards on arena will all be replaced with different art and card names should already be ringing alarm bells for how much of a disaster it will be

>>95939250
it's possible

>>95939265
only gavin's tears will sate my schadenfreude

>>95939266
Screencapped for later
Marvel is around 5000 times more popular than FF and its fans spend more. FF fans don't buy 5000 dollar 15 inch statues from limited run resin statue companies.

>>95939250
Normies unironically have Marvel fatigue. Even the secret lair wasn't super popular.

>>95939250
No one cares about marvel slop anymore. The fanbase that is still remaining is mostly casual watchers that wouldn't be caught dead spending large on a TCG.
It lost so much cultural relevance after the hype train ended 5 or so years ago

so if I want to do a deck that's just all the ninjas (plus some OK ETBs), I want to use the OTJ satoru if I don't want to get preemptively lynched?
I own a yuriko, she can't be in the deck at all?

>>95939273
>Even the secret lair wasn't super popular.
What is this gaslighting?

>>95939270
>It's fans spend more
doubt

>FF fans don't buy 5000 dollar 15 inch statues from limited run resin statue companies.
This statue is $14k by the way and sold out

>>95939270
No, the MCU is popular. That popularity does not necessarily transfer to literally everything with the Marvel brand slapped on it (see also: literally every actual Marvel comic)

>>95939283
It sold because they all sell, but almost nobody plays them besides Captain America. It went over like a hot fart.

Just imagine if hasbro bought the license to print The legend of zelda cards...

People and scalpers with murder each other for collector boosters .

Imagine a 1/1 Mastersword .

Lotr and ff combined would hold no sway over that shit storm.

Unironically I would get the thicc imp card.

>>95939283
when was the last time you saw any card from the Marvel SLs, much less one of the commanders

>>95939306
It would flop.

>>95939250
Marvel needs to just kill itself off for 10 years and come back with how much fatigue it has right now. The newer movies are flopping and nobody gives two fucks about them. Remember how pumped people were for the last 2 avengers movies? You wouldn't think so with how the movies are treated now.

The set probably wont flop like Aetherdrift but it will be on the low to mid side of UB sets. It wont even come close to LOTR or FF

>>95939211
In what world?
>>95939209
People definitely get bullied out of hobbies

>>95939302
the MCU isn't even that popular anymore

>>95939307
I have a friend bringing a wolverine and deadpool dual commander deck to the pride event on friday.

>>95939308
nigga u crazy as shit , Zelda fans are fucking rabid.

>>95939315
>People definitely get bullied out of hobbies
No, they don't.

>>95939321
Women arent people so yes technically you're correct

>>95939320
Not really.

>>95938812
>What kind of proxies anon?
Just CEDH staples/optimized netdeck
>I've no desire to play against that kind of deck, so no. (This is the actual rule 0 talk, everything else is functionally irrelevant)
I didn't bring anything else!
>This seems like a you problem anon, I have a spare deck here you can play with, or you can grab a precon from the store.

Doesn't seem that hard, does it? If they keep whinging then you can just say
>Were you incapable of proxying anything else, considering you appear to have no compunctions about what you are proxying? I've offered alternatives, otherwise you can find somewhere else to play.

>>95939308
Nah Zelda is one of the IPs that would sell really well. Pokemon if it ever got a UB set would be the highest selling set in the game.

Nintendo is not letting Hasbro touch their IPs for MTG though

>>95939250
It's not gonna flop, but I don't think it is gonna be a smash hit like FF was. The whole marvel set situation is really fucking weird and I feel like there has been some burned bridged here behind the scenes. Between wotc not really hyping it up like they did with the FF set, the situation with the digital cards, and the lack of dedicated commander product, the whole situation smells of "we're contractually obligated to do this and nothing more." Of course, that is purely on the production side, but from a player side the lack of commander product is just fucking weird, considering how well commander precons sell.
It doesn't help that the marvel stuff is about 3 years too late, as per usual when it comes to wotc chasing trends of course. The hype around marvel shit has absolutely cratered.
Purely anecdotally, nobody at my lgs seems to care about the spiderman set, we had people looking forward to the FF set for months, and the prerelease broke the store's records, comparatively I haven't heard a peep about spiderman, except from the local whale who has already noted they have no intent on buying any spiderman product.

The mana curve is a bit retarded but I’m excited to play this at the shop tomorrow

This is to this day the only place I have ever seen cry about proxies. And 90% of it is just trolling.

>>95939338
the fact that they showed an Avatar card before a mainset Spider-Man card was pretty fuckin weird

>>95939315
In an unkind world. In a proper society you accept people as they are and engage with them according to the social contract.

>>95939339
Can you post the list anon? I've got a friend building one and would like to see any interesting things we might have missed.

>>95939347
In a proper society you have the freedom to choose with whom you associate

>>95939306
>Imagine a 1/1 Mastersword
That's good and all, however..
>triforce of courage
>triforce of wisdom
>triforce of power
>each of those cards will have special 1/1 variant
Who will complete these three into one?

>>95939289
>This statue is $14k by the way and sold out
>sold out
Do you seriously think they make more than like, 3?

>>95939332
If nintendo can partner with ubisoft to release mario rabbids then hasbro is definitely possible

>>95939359
they made 600

>>95939367
Proof?

>>95939332
>>95939357
Money talks, I bet nintendo will sell the rights to print Zelda cards in less than 5 years.

>>95939339
>3 color deck
>swamp, swamp, swamp, swamp, swamp, swamp, swamp, mountain, mountain, mountain, mountain, forest, forest, forest, forest

>>95939349
Sure
https://archidekt.com/decks/11611244/indoraptor_tribal

1 Abrade
1 Atarka's Command
1 Balduvian Trading Post
1 Blasphemous Act
1 Blazing Sunsteel
1 Bloodfell Caves
1 Boltwave
1 Burning Sun's Avatar
1 Bushwhack
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Cinder Glade
1 Colossal Majesty
1 Command Tower
1 Conduit Pylons
1 Copperline Gorge
1 Culling Ritual
1 Dinosaur Stampede
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Ent's Fury
1 Entish Restoration
1 Etali, Primal Storm
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Fable of the Mirror-Breaker // Reflection of Kiki-Jiki
1 Fertile Ground
1 Fiery Confluence
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Flame Rift
1 Fog
3 Forest
1 Foul Orchard
1 Full Throttle

>>95939347
>completely misses the fact that in a proper society people accept onboarders as long as the latter does their part and integrates too
I can already tell what you believe in lmao

>>95939373

>>95939356
Just think about the implications an idea like that would have. Really think about it. Also reminder that we currently do not have "freedom of association" for good reason.

>>95939377
1 Ghalta, Primal Hunger 1 Zilortha, Strength Incarnate 1 Grapeshot 1 Grim Giganotosaurus 1 Haunted Ridge 1 Heartless Hidetsugu
1 Herd Heirloom
1 Holdout Settlement
1 Indoraptor, the Perfect Hybrid
1 Jungle Hollow
1 Karplusan Forest
1 Keen Sense
1 Knight of the Stampede
1 Labyrinth Raptor
1 Lavaspur Boots
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Llanowar Loamspeaker
1 Lumbering Worldwagon
1 Mana Bloom
1 Marauding Raptor
1 Mossfire Valley
4 Mountain
1 Night Market
1 Noxious Field
1 Palani's Hatcher
1 Path of Ancestry
1 Path of Discovery
1 Pestilence
1 Plague Spitter
1 Poison Dart Frog
1 Quartzwood Crasher
1 Raging Regisaur
1 Rampant Growth
1 Regal Behemoth
1 Regal Imperiosaur
1 Regisaur Alpha
1 Rhonas's Monument
1 Rhythm of the Wild
1 Rile
1 Ripjaw Raptor
1 Rockfall Vale
1 Rootbound Crag
1 Rush of Vitality
1 Savage Stomp
1 Sheltered Thicket
1 Sixth Sense
1 Sol Ring
1 Supernatural Stamina
7 Swamp
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Tetzimoc, Primal Death
1 Thrashing Brontodon
1 Thrashing Wumpus
1 Thunderherd Migration
1 Tilonalli's Crown
1 Timber Gorge
1 Trumpeting Carnosaur
1 Undying Malice
1 Unholy Indenture
1 Unknown Shores
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Yamabushi's Storm
1 Abrade
1 Atarka's Command
1 Balduvian Trading Post
1 Blasphemous Act
1 Blazing Sunsteel
1 Bloodfell Caves
1 Boltwave
1 Burning Sun's Avatar
1 Bushwhack
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Cinder Glade
1 Colossal Majesty
1 Command Tower
1 Conduit Pylons
1 Copperline Gorge
1 Culling Ritual
1 Dinosaur Stampede
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Ent's Fury
1 Entish Restoration
1 Etali, Primal Storm
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Fable of the Mirror-Breaker // Reflection of Kiki-Jiki
1 Fertile Ground
1 Fiery Confluence
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Flame Rift
1 Fog
3 Forest
1 Foul Orchard
1 Full Throttle
1 Ghalta, Primal Hunger
1 Zilortha, Strength Incarnate
1 Grapeshot
1 Grim Giganotosaurus
1 Haunted Ridge
>>95939376
I play the cards I have

>>95939385
Thats a number on a page anon. Whats stopping them from making 3, saying they made 600, and when they sell 3 just saying they sold out?

>>95939332
>Pokemon if it ever got a UB set would be the highest selling set in the game.
I refuse to believe Pokemon would be allowed to be in same playground as other MTG and UB roster. Main issue would be Pokemon fighting against humanoids and humanoids dealing harm to Pokemon while whole catch is Pokemon only fighting against eachother like cockfighting. Only exception would be Smash Bros which is Nintendo in-house product.

>>95939388
nigga that is literally the society we live in. You don't have to spend time with anyone you don't want to in a leisure setting. Work, sure, you have to deal other people, but not in your free time.

>>95939390
>>95939377
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html

>>95939390
>i play the cards i have
Finally, a true bona fide casual

>>95939392
truth in advertising laws?

>>95939392
>everyone
>every single person
>is lying except me about my assumptions

>>95939390
1 Heartless Hidetsugu
1 Herd Heirloom
1 Holdout Settlement
1 Indoraptor, the Perfect Hybrid
1 Jungle Hollow
1 Karplusan Forest
1 Keen Sense
1 Knight of the Stampede
1 Labyrinth Raptor
1 Lavaspur Boots
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Llanowar Loamspeaker
1 Lumbering Worldwagon
1 Mana Bloom
1 Marauding Raptor
1 Mossfire Valley
4 Mountain
1 Night Market
1 Noxious Field
1 Palani's Hatcher
1 Path of Ancestry
1 Path of Discovery
1 Pestilence
1 Plague Spitter
1 Poison Dart Frog
1 Quartzwood Crasher
1 Raging Regisaur
1 Rampant Growth
1 Regal Behemoth
1 Regal Imperiosaur
1 Regisaur Alpha
1 Rhonas's Monument
1 Rhythm of the Wild
1 Rile
1 Ripjaw Raptor
1 Rockfall Vale
1 Rootbound Crag
1 Rush of Vitality
1 Savage Stomp
1 Sheltered Thicket
1 Sixth Sense
1 Sol Ring
1 Supernatural Stamina
7 Swamp
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Tetzimoc, Primal Death
1 Thrashing Brontodon
1 Thrashing Wumpus
1 Thunderherd Migration
1 Tilonalli's Crown
1 Timber Gorge
1 Trumpeting Carnosaur
1 Undying Malice
1 Unholy Indenture
1 Unknown Shores
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Yamabushi's Storm
>>95939398
>>95939399
Just be glad I don’t have basedjaks saved on my phone

>>95939376
Yes? Are you stupid?

>>95939425
I assume anon is sperging out about the uneven ratio rather than the mere existence of basics or at least I hope

>>95939392
There's actually only 20 serialized golden chocobos. Dont believe the rubbish on the card saying there is 77, my nan told me there is only 20

>>95939405
I can assure you saying you have more stock than you do does not breach any advertising laws. It doesn't affect anyone's purchase, they aren't getting something other than advertised, they put the thing in their basket, go to checkout, the 3 real statues are sold, they can't complete their purchase, end of story.
>>95939408
Companies lie about the popularity of their products, yah.
Wizards lied about the Final Fantasy set
>omg it's the most popular set of all time!!!!! buy! buy! buy!
>uhhhhhh WPN stores are all saying that they didn't actually receive as much stock as they did for other sets
>so where did this stock all sell from if not WPN stores????
>don't worry about that!!! its the most popular set of all time!
>we will reprint it, but uh oh, we mysteriously can't get printer time for a few months even though we no longer share printers with Pokemon- we just can't, okay!?!?!
>you'd better buy up existing stock and sell it for ridiculously inflated prices because EVERYONE wants it and we're not printing more for MONTHS!!!!!
Sorry you fell for it, anon.

>>95939433
I have a lot of gruul lands, it evens out in the end

>>95939452
There's literally no FF stock except a few loose play booster packs anywhere in my country. This has never happened before with any previous MTG set ever

>>95939452
>every single person is lying nothing is true i cannot be reasoned with
debating with you, a person who is so sure he can never be wrong, is a pointless exercise and you can now get the last word as I will not reply to you again.

>>95939452
but what reason do they have to lie except to make your implication that Final Fantasy fans don't go out and buy ridiculously expensive statues look like the deranged ravings of a deviant schizophrenic?

>>95939452
Conspiracy andy strikes again. Dont worry anon Avengers Doomsday will save the Marvel franchise and restore it to all new highs.

>>95939270
You're retarded.

>>95939463
They simply didn't print very much of it anon.
>>95939465
>companies lie
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T BE A CYNIC!!!! CORPORATIONS ARE YOUR FRIEND!!!!
Uh, no.
>>95939466
>best selling set of all time
>official Wizards stores saying they weren't allocated as much product as they usually were
Where the fuck else did it sell from if stores are saying they never received it in the first place? Answer is they just didn't print as much to create artificial scarcity, something completely within their power to do and an accepted part of commerce so not contrary to any law.
>>95939470
Explain it to me then anon. Make it make sense that the best selling set of all time somehow never even arrived in stores.

>>95939480
I'm not talking about Wizards and FF MTG, I'm talking about the Terra statue you're insisting wasn't actually bought 600 times (which is still a really low number, I don't know why you'd get bent out of shape over it other than a pathological need to be right)

I think anyone expecting spooderman to flop lives in a bubble. You're on an anime image board where the largest board is devoted to videogames, of course an anime videogame seems more popular to you.
Marvel has its fair share of pay piggies, I know at least a handful locally with mostly unopened $1000+ Marvel Champaions collections. I also think the overlap with magic is a bit more natural, most "LGS"s I knew growing up were just comic shops that also sold magic cards and most of the Magic boomers I know were just completely unaware of most of the characters in this set and had trouble even pronouncing names. I think Spiderman will probably be more successful than FIN just by virtue of coming second, provided EOE doesn't kill all hype in its tracks, but expecting a dip after FIN is totally reasonable. You're nuts if you think it won't be a massive success though.
Besides, if you want to predict a flop, Avatar is right there. Marvel and Final Fantasy are long-running brands with cross-generational appeal and Avatar is a flop of a nickelodeon kids show that's a "cult classic" for developmentally stunted millennials with no reach beyond that.

>>95939484
Buddy I'm replying to 4 fucking people in the same conversation. This isn't reddit, I don't know who the fuck you are, I don't know which post is yours.

>>95939486
Spiderman can be bought right now but it isn't getting anywhere close to the same hype FF was when announced. FF collector boxes were immediately selling and appreciating in price from the moment they could be ordered.

If you truly think it will do that well you should be buying every single CBB of spiderman you can find anywhere since it's free tendies right

>>95939489
>directly mention ridiculously expensive statues
>UH BUT THE MAGIC SET
we're back to the deranged ravings of a deviant schizophrenic

or rather, we never left

>>95939486
>Avatar is a flop of a nickelodeon kids show that's a "cult classic" for developmentally stunted millennials
So, the average Magic player?

>>95939486
I think Avatar is gonna have banger cards and fly under the radar unfortunately like Assassin's Creed.

Fuck, I am so glad I got to put Haystack in every white deck for nothing.

>>95939270
It's gonna be the same FOMO slop-pile as Final Fantasy. 20 good cards, 5 busted, and another golden goose chase.

>>95939486
Both Avatar and Spiderman are going to flop in comparison to other UB properties. They will do better than shit like Aetherdrift or Edge of eternities though

>go to magiccon
>do a bunch of events and random commander pods
>everyone is chill and easy to talk to
>have fun bracket 4 games

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ: Most insufferable game/player you've ever had the misfortune to experience?
hard stax/control with no wincon, and the dude was smug as fuck the entire game. "Oh watch out I have untapped islands hehehehe" and everyone someone cast a spell he would just sit there with a shit eating grin all like "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I *guess* I'll let this one resolve". Legitimately the only person ever I've played against that I wanted to stomp into the fucking ground. After an hour we all decided to gang up on him and then call it a tie when he lost

>>95939486
Spider-Man, on top of Marvel's popularity being nowhere near what it was 6 years ago, is going to take the brunt of product fatigue (EOE is going to completely bomb because of it but Wizards is probably hedging their bets there with shocks and other power cards). Normies are already complaining about EOE spoilers starting so soon after FF's release. People are out there spending thousands and thousands of dollars on Final Fantasy, and most of them just don't have the juice do that multiple times a year, even in a notoriously whale-heavy hobby like Magic.

>>95939486
FF has basically removed all spending power for the next 6 months minimum. All single prices outside this set have been depreciating while FF prices go up. People have been buying as much as they can including selling their existing cards to buy more.

Edge of eternities, Spiderman and Avatar I all except to do really badly. The next set that could do potentially well is Lorwyn

>>95939507
Yeah I went from talking about statues to talking about the Magic set as another example of companies lying. Just because you mention statues again doesn't mean we've stoped talking about Magic.
If you want to be that turbofaggot who calls everyone who disagrees with him schizo, maybe you should just neck yourself before your heartrate puts your remaining hairline in jeopardy.

>>95939551
I'm calling you a schizo because you're acting like a schizo

After seeing how final fantasy shook up magic I do think spiderman is probably gonna be 10x worse since every man woman and child knows what spiderman is. The problem with spiderman is that established jaded magic nerds aren't gonna buy it, but moms and dads will buy it for their kids. And because half of all magic cards are printed in japan with tariffs preventing direct shipments. You're talking a perfect storm of scalpers, moms and collectors & nerds buying up everything.

>>95939539
What did wizards expect when they release a set every 2 months now in addition to other product. People are just going to not spend on a lot of these sets if it doesnt directly speak to them

>>95939550
>Lorwyn
unless another hyped UB set comes out right after it like Tarkir and FF ha ha

>>95939563
line MUST go up

>>95939561
Mums and dads are not buying collector booster boxes. If there was this 'demand' why is the set not selling at all right now? It has been avaliable for preordering for months with plenty of stock available

>>95939556
I think you're just a very angry little man wasting the few days he has left with his hair follicles.

>>95939586
>Final Fantasy fans don't make big purchases like Marvel fans do with this expensive statue!
>what about this really expensive Terra statue
>that doesn't count because they're lying about how many sold!
>why?
>BECAUSE WIZARDS IS LYING ABOUT HOW MUCH THE FINAL FANTASY MAGIC SET SOLD
>what
>IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY SQUARE ENIX IS DUMPING HORMONES IN THE WATER TO TURN THE FROGS IN ANIME BOYS

>>95939586
Companies don't really lie that often, it's just comforting for schizos to believe they do.

>>95939582
The set don't come out til September dawg. Hype and spoiler season hasn't started for the set yet.

My mystery boosters came and all my good pulls are blue which i dont really play reeee

>>95939612
they spoiled an Avatar card before they spoiled a mainset Spider-Man card, that alone should be a red flag

When does the inevitable Star Trek UB happen, and what will the commander decks be?

>>95939612
FF had prices appreciating the moment it was available for order. People were discussing the set positively from the moment it was announced. Spiderman has not had the same kind of success at all.

I can order as much spiderman right now as I want which I could not do for FF even on day one as everybody wanted the product

>Little Witch Innawoods non-foil SL sold out weeks ago
>foil is still in stock
>not even low stock
have people really stopped falling for the foil meme

>>95939621
next year, probably.
Very obviously TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and DSC with the captains as face commanders and the ships (or Deep Space 9) as backups.

>>95939550
>>95939539
The product fatigue thing is an actual realistic prediction. The rate of new releases is pretty insane, especially with how much they're expected players to spend on them. FIN as a flash in the pan once ever occurrence is totally reasonable. Magic's always been a pretty high churn game and that was just from standard rotation once a year, I can't imagine many people can keep throwing down $1000 dollars on a release every 2 months for very long.

>>95939633
Mine look great.

>>95939486
>I think anyone expecting spooderman to flop lives in a bubble.
Do not expect logic from the same retards predicting the game will die since 2017

>>95939652
post pics, I want the Realms Uncharted

>>95939633
Um excuse me you can't call them witches that's appropriating traditional Wiccan culture. You can call her Little Warlock Innawoods.

>>95939633
I hate curly cards and with Wizards only ever doing flat foils on everything instead of layered foils now what's the point? Look at this fucking lotus, you'd never see an effect like this nowadays. The art looks better and clearer on non-foil anyways.

>>95939671
shut up faggot

What the fuck it's an actual set??? I thought it was just the 6 SLD cards. We have to deal with this AND a fucking Marvel set???

>>95939671
b-but...

>>95939671
Wiccans are not a culture.

>>95939662
So go buy all of it and make enough to buy a house then. What is stopping you? There is endless product available unlike what happened with FF

>>95939539
>>95939646
>Spider-Man, on top of Marvel's popularity being nowhere near what it was 6 years ago, is going to take the brunt of product fatigue
You're so fucking optimistic it's hilarious lmao, Spider-Cucks will literally buy anything with the brand. They'll complain about it online and claim it's "ruining Peter's legacy" but they'll buy it.

>>95939680
the actual Marvel set isn't coming until at least next year, if at all. The whole thing with Arena might've soured Wizards on this particular collaboration.

>>95939692
Your post makes no sense.

>>95939701
You did it first to be fair.

Sperman just hasn't shown anything yet to drive up hype like FF. I'm pretty positive once they spoil a couple of cards that are super powerful the set will sell out immediately. The fact they haven't shown a whole lot makes me think this set is also getting equal amounts of care like FF did to please sony. If it isn't clear to you guys yet Wizards is 100% using their main teams on UB sets and the interns are getting edge of eternities.

It is astonishing how out of touch this general is.

>>95939697
>the actual Marvel set isn't coming until at least next year, if at all.
Jesus I thought it was a late 2025 release. So we're getting a Spiderman set instead of a Marvel set, this year. Weird
>The whole thing with Arena might've soured Wizards on this particular collaboration.
I seriously hope they abandoned it. I also missed what went down. What happened?

>>95939688
This is very problematic and I will be writing a sternly-worded tweet to @hasbro to raise awareness of this blatant abuse of hegemonic power over a historically oppressed population. I encourage you to do the same. Wizards must do better.

>>95939678
>>95939691
You will not be missed, bigot. Kill your hateful heart or die.

>>95939724
Why would I be missed? I'm not going anywhere. And yeah I'm the hateful one when you're going around telling people to kill themselves, sure Chud.

>>95939701
he's saying if you're so confident Spider-Man will do amazingly (ho ho), go out and buy a pallet of booster boxes, since apparently it's going to blow up due to >>95939693 (please ignore that the actual Spider-Man comic is selling like shit right now and has been for a while due to being awful)

>>95939697
>The whole thing with Arena might've soured Wizards on this particular collaboration.
I sure hope so. Marvel or superhero slop is the worst possible thing they can collab with. Superheroes in modern settings clashes way too much

>>95939719
they can't use Spider-Man in Arena because of Marvel Snap so they're making an entire UW reskin of the entire set just for Arena

>>95939665
My camera's not great, but I feel like doctoring the photos a bunch defeats the purpose of taking real photos of them.

The rainbow foil is real clean on them. They're very easy to read and have great contrast for the color to reflect off of them.

>Tifa landfall deck
>consistently one shotting someone turn 3-4
>if no one else draws something to slow me the game is over by turn 7-8 at the latest
>bracket 2 without Crop Rotation
>bracket 3 with Crop Rotation

Brackets! They just work!

>>95939746
what's the potato chip situation

Since UB is the status quo now. What property do you guys actually want? Me personally a Elder Scrolls set and Halo secret lair would go hard.

>>95939741
this unless it is gore-cape

>>95939752
they already made sets in properties I would want in a theoretical nightmare hell dimension where I like UB

>>95939752
Genshin/hoyoverse would probably be an insane seller. I kinda wanna to see it just to see the amount of seethe it creates.

>>95939752
Dragon Ball
Terminator

>>95939751
You mean like curl? Mine came completely flat. I'm planning on getting some humidity control packs for my deckboxes, but more a precaution than because of any particularly bad foils.

>>95939752
Imagine if they did some shit like steven universe or ricky and morty

>>95939780
god help us

>>95939780
the first UB sets to sell worse than Aetherdrift

>>95939231
nta but that sounds fun. I need to get these.

>>95939752
Already got fallout. I'm god

>>95939810
>I'm god
my lord

>>95939752
We got doctor who so I am pleased

>>95939185
no just cheating, took it out of my deck because it didn't counter spells in general, just like negate.

>>95939603
>"they put the number 600 on their site so they must have sold 600 of them!!!!!!"
>companies have absolutely no obligation to be truthful about how much stock they have, we can even see this in Magic's advertising for the FF set where they claim it's the best selling set ever despite their own networked stores saying they haven't been allocated as much stock as usual
>NOOOOOOOO IT'S A CONSPIRACY! STOP MAKING INFERENCES FROM OBSERVABLE INFORMATION!!!!!!
Cry harder
>>95939608
You must be 18 or over to post on this site.

personal predictions for UB in 2026
Marvel Universe Set
G.I. Joe cartoon secret lair
Ninja Turtles Set
fucking idk Aliens secret lair
lets see how correct I am a year from now

>>95939846
Does Hasbro own gi joe?

Warhammer 40 will def ger a full ub release later with colector boxes and shit. Theres Tau and other factions . Also new borderless old warhammer 40k reprints would sell pretty good.

based on the collab with bethesda already I wouldn't be surprised if they're working on a elder scrolls set to be released before ES6 gets released

>>95939860
See you in 2030

why did Dr Who flopped so dang hard anyway...

>>95939852
yes

>>95939864
Cause it's British

>>95939425
>>95939433
That many basics in a 3c deck is asking for a bad time. Ask me how I know

>>95939839
>You must be 18 or over to post on this site.
Right back at you, dawg.

>FF will probably climb higher than LOTR within 6 months
>UW sets continue to do badly or flop(Edge is going to flop super hard)
>Marvel sets doing lower than expected for Hasbro
>Future UB sets fail to replicate the same blackswan event
Is FF going to cause melties for years to come?

>>95939750
Brackets are not hard rules and if you are taking someone out on turn 4 that would be a bracket 4.
You know this and yet you post it anyway

>>95939876
I bet the Pro Trannie acolyte proffesor hates that his beloved Dr .Who flopped and binned hard.

>>95939768
I've been saying it's the sweet spot of most realistic sounding one that would also make the most people angry.

>>95939671
Wicca is barely 150 years old made up by some gay dude look it up

>>95939885
FF colector boxes will hit 2k next year.

>>95939881
I run 15 basics in my three color decks and I've never had a problem

>>95939885
this >>95939306
will be a greater shitstorm than lotr and ff combined. Proove me wrong.

>>95939900
You're lying. Nice try though Big Basic shill

>>95939889
Officially my deck is bracket 3, 2 if I switch out Crop Rotation for another tutor. You may not like it, but WOTC says it is what it is.

>>95939750
Looses to W

>>95939881
I have more basics than that in my 5 color deck.

>>95939750
>Green
>breaks the idea of the bracket system because of landfall and ramp
Imagine that, what a surprise, it's like wizards (and CRC, rest in piss you spinless cowards and sellouts) just keep forgetting they made green the strongest color on casual level.

>>95939889
Problem is this only goes on way. The reverse will never be true. If I rock up with 4 game changers in my deck, you will say I am not bracket 2 even if I cannot kill you before turn 10.
This makes the system seem very gay and more designed to punish people instead of make a fun game.

>>95939633
I'm not paying more for cards that are unusable in a deck and has washed out art.

>>95939904
here are all three of my current three color decks, and yes, I do have all them physically. I'm just not going to lay them all out right now to win an argument on the internet
https://archidekt.com/decks/12359254/zurgawd
https://archidekt.com/decks/8711882/fair_and_balanced_kaalia
https://archidekt.com/decks/13019392/teval

>>95939923
>*spineless*

>>95939750
In 1v1 right?

>>95939633
sometimes. Meanwhile the foil version of the sheldor secret lair cards are significantly higher than the non-foil

>>95938923
Still waiting on the last few cards to arrive by mail for my Princesses and Unicorns lifegain deck. It's a shame how many of these cards are worth less than 50 cents, the foiling on most of these look great, especially Constable of the Realm.
Nullmage has some huge tits

>>95939633
foils fuck with the original art color. Only dumb cunts actually go out of their way to get foils now. Why the fuck are ff surge foils so expensive anyway I bet they curl like shit.

>>95939907
Anon, the brackets are more than the game changers and tutors and again, you know that.

My Yuriko Brawl deck:
Unlockable creatures + Removal + Rooms + Adventure creatures + Overcosted MFDC lands + a few ninja.
How well would this translate to Cummander without the lands?

>>95939633
I don't like my cards like how I like my pringles.

Threadly reminder that MLD is fun

>>95938874
did he do it?

>>95939943
except never in the reverse

>>95939098
Springleaf drum+Freed from the real

>>95939948
>>95938881
I'm gonna put together a rough draft when I get home from the lake in an hour or so. EDH night isn't until Thursday though.

>>95939947
Literally

>>95939938
>Why the fuck are ff surge foils so expensive anyway
Hype, new fags, the fact that "good" foil cards are only found in collector boosters make them more valuable on second market for some stupid reason.

>>95939943
>your deck is bracket X - unless you think it's Bracket Y or Z!

Great system!

>>95939938
because surge foils are beautiful

what is the math on basic vs non basics. I know certain commanders are colorless 5 color and some 5 color commanders casting cost are 1-2 colors. Could you make like a majority green manabase ramp deck to get all 5 colors out? or multiple rocks to get all 5 colors? I never built a 5 color just cause the manabase would be expensive. Wondering if there's weird alternatives.

>>95939947
I pulled a ruination earlier today and I'm excited to annoy some people

>>95939968
Nta but it all looks the same to me. Am I missing something?

>>95939975
Yes. You are either not looking at a surge foil or you are retarded.

my 5 color deck runs 40 tap lands

>>95939962
Based. I found a copy of this as well. One of my favorite one off foreign language printings.

>>95939990
what's the win rate

My mono color deck runs all nonbasics

>>95940001
I haven't played it yet.

>>95939969
5c mana bases having to be expensive is a meme. Green ramps and fixes plenty and cheap

>>95939974
They only limited MLD to bracket 4 to stop me from punishing greedy retards.

What is the most acceptable 5c commander and why is it Horde of Notions?

What are some fun CEDH decks that have interesting gameplay or lines beyond fishing for my thoracle combo turn 2?

>>95939962
>we can't let this spell resolve
>you all have mana open counter it
>what do you mean none of you have counter spells

>>95940020
>CEDH
>Fun

If you have to ask you're not going to have a good time.

>>95939750
>wins by t8 if not interacted with at all
Sounds like a solid 2/3 I don't see the issue

>>95939645
Nah, they’ll follow the fallout scheme. We’d get a federation deck, a random villains deck, a random allies deck, and a space monster/anomaly deck.

>>95939805
fuck it, here's half of what I think is reasonably flavorful for Golbez, figure the rest out from there (primarily how it wins)
https://archidekt.com/decks/14027426/golbez

>>95939750
>consistently one shotting someone turn 3-4
thats just gay voltron

>>95939923
no one "made" green the strongest casual color but the creators of EDH, by the nature of this format

the same reason why 5 color legendaries are mostly busted value piles in commander. other formats exist

>>95940020
>Run an abundance of cheap/free interaction.
>Turn 1 say you want to draw.
>Explain that you will roll a die selecting a player at random who does not agree to this draw to t1 stripmine, grief, and then free counter the first two spells they play
>The person going last or with a bad opening hand is heavily incentivized to accept your offer
>The remaining two players have to choose between being flipping a coin just to have a chance to play against the guy who agreed to your draw or just taking the draw themselves
"Competitive" Edh

>>95940109
>but you always get at least one dr-
>oh

>>95940109
I'd just refuse to do my turn. What are they gonna do? Call a judge? I'll tell the judge of their unsportsman-like behavior and attempt to cheat.

>>95939974
Oh shit another one
>>95940008
I am going to become hated and I will enjoy the suffering

>>95940154
No cheating is happening, these sorts of deals are completely acceptable in Cedh tournaments. Not taking your turn however is slow play, which is also a difficult to enforce problem in cedh.

>>95940176

>>95939933
Nice pile. Dunno if you're running it but pic related is thematic and funny with Garnet.

>>95940109
>>95940176
>>95940020
cEDH is just Yugioh where everyone is Yugi making up their own bullshit and cheating their way to a victory that doesn't mean anything anyways.

>>95940176
>a thing happened
>so its the only thing that happens
My friends do cedh games and just dont allow politicking. It's very fun.

>>95940198
You're not playing competitively, you're playing high-powered casual edh with your friends.

>>95940176
thrilling

>>95940020
Stax control with no wincon

>>95940020
you show your opponents your Fierce Guardianship and say "i can make you lose rn, u mad?" and then they are mad and do whatever you want and even let you win

>>95940176
this is the most cancerous, stupid fucking shit I've read about this format. God cEDH players are insufferable garbage

>>95940176
He's really proud of this, like its a glowing endorsement of the format and not proving CEDH is ass and for fags.

https://moxfield.com/decks/sgkNSY3GykGi9UbO-1zlIQ
Putting together a rip list, any tips?

Marry and have sex with goblins

>>95940357
You'd be shocked just how often you can't but can make sure someone else loses. The easiest fix is to just disallow agreed draws. It'd make games more interesting too.

>>95940366
Hell yeah

>>95940376
it really doesn't make anything more interesting. When you get put into a position where the only play is kingmaking, agreed draws are the only way to not be a total piece of shit.
what needs to be stopped is the terrorist style "i will ruin your day if you dont agree to draw" playstyle.

>>95940071
Thank you, I've saved the cards and I'll see what I can find that can win with this. I was thinking some mill for the villain factor and more artifact creatures.

>>95940366
Marry and have sex with Ashnodfag

>>95940215
Politics aren't competitive anon. Playing for draws isn't competitive either. We are definitely playing competitively. What an absurd post

>>95938647
>pseudo reserved
Wotc can reprint them indefinitely you dumb dumb. It's one of the first things they said about it. I don't even mean universe within just a straight reprint

>>95938623 (OP)
>tq
2 guys. News an,acne scarred literal hunchback goblin who played really obvious tutor-into-wincon decks, literally wept and threw a shit fit when I sadistic sacrament his very obvious wincon.
Second guy wss just a very smelly autistic tool, would bitch and moan, and couldn't understand why he kept getting hated out of the game when he constantly lied/broke his word about play and would randomly shit out removal or board wipes with no thought or view of the board. He got kicked out because he finally said we should all go die where the lgs owner could hear lol

>>95940376
As fucked as it is, a draw is actually the fairest resolution here. The alternative is an unspoken agreement between friends/tournament grinders to give each other the win in these spots over randoms. Competitive FFA is a joke.
>>95940388
>You'd be shocked just how often you can't but can make sure someone else loses.
Yeah, it's basically 100% of the time which was the idea behind my initial post. You can't win every game, but there's basically nothing someone can do if you decide you don't want them in particular to win.
How do you allow for draws in these positions while preventing draw terrorism because I'm going fourth with a bad hand?
>>95940431
You're playing with friends for fun and abiding by gentleman's agreements, sounds pretty casual to me.

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ
Not the most insufferable but I did play against a guy last night who scooped and left after his tifa was killed in response to his turn 3 fetch being cracked and he was grumbling "oh so it's one of those tables I guess"

>>95940487
lol what a salty lil bitch

>>95940020
Fuck off

>>95940482
>games that often end in draws are bad and therefore cant be taken seriously
Nobody said they were entertaining but a winner will eventually emerge out of all those draws and that's really all the players care about, picrel

>>95940482
Actually we have a little league there's money on the line. Two of us are judges we take it very seriously. Normal rules apply with two additional stipulations, much like every other formats in the game

>tq

I had a Tergrid player get mad once because I was playing Melek, Izzet Paragon and got the win with normal topdeck manipulation.

I mean, I get it when you feel helpless against a certain strategy, like mono red vs enchantress, but it is part of the game. Especially if you're playing Tergrid, you have no room to bitch and moan.

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ: Most insufferable game/player you've ever had the misfortune to experience?
I dont have a specific insurance but people at my LGS are way too quick to forfeit.

>>95940363
Hmm, needs much better removal/interaction.

>>95940194
"Destroy all humanity, it can't be regenerated" fills this niche pretty good but we need that kind of content instead of endless eceleb slop.

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ: Most insufferable game/player you've ever had the misfortune to experience?
Genuine UB hater IRL who would stress sigh and verbally complain whenever anyone played a UB card.

>>95940690
sounds based as fuck

>>95938623 (OP)
>TQ: Most insufferable game/player you've ever had the misfortune to experience?
Guy who took 10+ minute per turn, even on turn 1. With a precon that I know for a fucking fact doesn't have any moves for him to play at various points.

Follow up is a guy who kept getting up during other peoples turns to make trades. And then come back and have no clue what was happening.

>>95940690
Sounds like a faggot

Thoughts

>>95940766
Ah shit I don’t know why it’s upside down

>>95940766
Australia?

>>95940766
upside/down

>>95940770
:^)

>>95940769
Probably 4chan being gay. It does that on /toy/ all the time

>>95940780
Looks fine to me. I do find Kiora boring though.

>add this because why not
>deck's budget doubles

How hard is it to make a decent EDH deck that only uses cards from the FF set? Partner wants to make a Graha deck but she doesnt wanna to reach out further yet as she like FF.
I'm sure she will get more into MTG later and fix her ways

>>95938623 (OP)
I feel like a Golbez deck would really fun

>>95940851
This is my first and really only deck (I have a ZImone precon since I figured I could use the BG overlap). I liked the Eldrazi cascade effect but not Eldrazi themselves, plus they don't get a lot of support - usually there is one or two that fit in Kioras deck (like Summon Leviathan in FF). I definitely want to make another deck - I was thinking a blink deck with Galadriel Commander but she looks like Beyonce.

>>95940895
Kiora is probably decent for a new player since it is pretty straight forward "smash with fatties"

>>95940892
You could probably do okay if you did Wandering Minstrel. He's 5C and there's quite a bit of lands support.
Mana base would be the really tough part.

>>95940901
Pretty much why I built it, also coming from YuGiOh I liked themed decks.

>>95940908
Wandering Minstrel only needs green and blue, other lands are a bonus but not necessity

>>95940910
Also, when will there be a good alt art for this fat fuck.

>>95940918
I think there was a reprint of him with a FF alt name/art

>>95940918
hopefully never, now kill yourself

>>95940921
sorry if he looks like you lmao

>>95940918
it's funny how they picked the ugliest final fantasy character for his UB reprint

>>95940930
lmao absolutely cooked

>>95940930
I want there to be significant drawbacks to playing the ugly fuck, like having to play with ugly fucking art

>>95940780
>>95940766
>simic
>not using blue or green colored sleeves

>>95940991
They have tentacles on the back, sue me.

>>95940930
obliterated LOL

>>95940004
Oh nice. That means I can path to exile your shit with complete impunity.

>>95941013
If true that is fine.

>playing my necrons(100% precon) with some friends, they were using arahbo, roar of the world, and tyranids
>I got pretty land screwed, got out of the tombs early
>was able to survive only by carefully hitting problem attackers, as my deck just continues to bleed cards
>had 'their name is death' pretty early on, was holding onto it
>completely forgot about it as I desperately tried to stay alive
>nid player burns down arahbo player
>my turn, down to 3 cards in deck
>'wait a minute'
>play Their Name is Death
>bring out like 30 creatures while also clearing tyranids field
holy shit, that might have been the most shenanigans win I've ever had. I was desperately trying to survive to bring out an'rakyr and pay for cheap artifacts.

>>95941064
So you played a boardwipe and won? Good for you I guess.

>>95941100
a boardwipe with 0 cards in deck and a full grave.

Post the best boardwipes

>>95940918
>>95940920
>>95940931
seymour guado is 100% an upgrade and imo the only printing
the original print of kinnan as a fat tranny can now go die in a fire along with the whole story of ikoria

>>95941122
The GOAT. If only it was uncounterable and had split second.

>>95941134
holy fucking based

>>95941122

Is No Eldrazi weasel any good in 4 player pods? Feels like it'd be a very fragile deck.

>have pic related in play
>have X number of food, Y number of treasure, Z number of clues
>cast second harvest
>get a total of X+Y+Z additional tokens of each kind when it resolves
This is correct, yeah?

brb sorting 5000 cards

>>95941243
let's say you have
1 clue
2 treasures
3 food
you will create
1 clue + 1 treasure + 1 food
2 treasures + 2 clues + 2 food
3 food + 3 clues + 3 treasures

>TQ
Agreeing to play for second after a combo win never fails to trigger tantrums from pubstompers with thousand dollar piles. Have witnessed full-on crash outs and attempting to involve gameshop owners and volunteer judges.

Anyone building? I had a crush on her ever since that blowjob game years ago

Sex with human women

You jealous flesh boy, bitches love my calcium

>>95941424
made for BSC (big skelly cock)

>TQ: Most insufferable game/player you've ever had the misfortune to experience?
Played slow. That's it. It's the greatest sin of them all. It means they don't respect you and have no problem wasting your time. People build decks that take 10 minutes to do absolutely nothing. "Oh, I fetch a land and draw a card and then I go through my library two times because I'm not sure what to tutor"

>>95941122
I run this bad boy in every deck with white, it's always amusing just how quickly people drop removal on the creature

>>95941134
He said best not most boring

>>95941292
Not but she's been the MVP or the X precon for me so far.

>>95941512
What makes it boring?

>>95941517
Either the game ends right there because they have a way around it or it turns into a crap shoot of who can get something on board first.
Either way I've never been excited about a worldfire resolving. It's just a boring way to win. Like Thassa's or Lab Man.

>>95941292
I've been trying to figure out how to make this guy work on a budget. I found a cheap decklist online, but it's literally unplayable. I don't know WHAT they were thinking with some of the picks.

>>95941292
I'm wondering how worth it mono-blue counters could be for a memey aggro deck. Rikku is based as fuck, and there's lots of good cards in the precon for it too like O'aka.
>he remembers *that* game
uhh based?
>>95941124
Seymour is based and Kinnan is cringe, so a Seymour Kinnan is a straight upgrade
>>95939231
You know, Kokusho could be fun as a creature to get back, but mine runs through the deck so fast I doubt it'd ever end up on the board.
>>95940893
It fucking is, as long as you don't mind your turn being potentially pretty long with the right cards involved. You're mostly playing self-mill with grabbing something huge out of the graveyard to drain the table.

>>95941517
>Resetting the game is anything but cringe and boring

>>95941545
>Ending the game is cringe and boring

I really love commander, but have no one to play with irl so I'm stuck watching videos about commander like shuffle up and play and game knights. I skip all the episodes with annoying trannies though. Is there a channel like these two with good editing and fun vibes, but they play CEDH instead of these low power games?

>>95941572
If you're pulling this bullshit you better have some strategy other than waiting a turn cycle to poke someone with a goblin or I'm going to be very fucking cross with you.

You better have some kind of instant speed damage from exile or the graveyard to dumpster out with floated mana or we're taking you to the parking lot afterwards and beating you with hammers.

>>95941588
Why don't you play online with Spelltable or whatever it's called? Or visit your local LGS and play some casual/low power games to meet new people

>>95941591
I feel like I'm the only person on the goddamned planet that DOESN'T want a wincon lined up. I fucking LOVE the idea of some shitty mexican standoff where it's "first to draw damage wins". I find the idea hilarious

>>95941591
Yeah, I have an Emrakul coming off suspend. Die.

>>95941600
You're exactly the kind of retard that got it banned in the first place, and it only came of ban because the RC thought your breed of retard was extinct, but by god you proved them wrong.

>>95941600
That's because calling "SUDDEN DEATH" at the poker table and demanding people play musical chairs for the pot is not only stupid, but too stupid to ignore.

If your wincon doesn't go off and it fucks the table I'll be pissed but that's the heart of the cards baybee. If your "wincon" is actually just fucking up the table on purpose, then I'm going to not so politely ask you to play a different deck.

>>95941607
>>95941609
You two are precisely the kind of sweatys I actively avoid at the LGS

>>95941613
Good I don't really want you in my pod either.

>>95941603
Oh thank god. Sweet release.

>>95941613
Not wanting my time wasted isn't being a sweat. Its a concept clearly beyond you.

>>95941594
I've never heard of spelltable and my closest local is a 3 hour drive away, and I have no car.

>>95941614
Worldfire is the primary wincon of my suspend deck
>suspend worldfire and anything
>worldfire goes off
>creature comes in
>kill someone
I find it far less gay than just comboing someone. Especially since suspend telegraphs it.

>>95941617
>play 5+ more turns with people wasting time durdling around, several minutes per turn
vs
>30 seconds in someone pulls damage and starts finishing off others, ending the game
hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>95941618
grim. There's Spelltable and I think one other. I think one's a standalone thing and one's on Steam?

>>95941624
>No hand, no lands
>Pulls damage when everyone could just not hit lands
>And not be able to play anything, this is incredibly fun and dynamic
Every post you further prove your brain damage.

>>95941646
Every post you further prove how much of an unfun sweaty loser you are. I'm sorry to your friends in advance.

>>95941652
My friends aren't retards, and neither am I.

>>95941652
>I feel like I'm the only person on the goddamned planet that DOESN'T want a wincon lined up.
way to self report that you don't have friends yourself KEK

>play a card that turns off opps activated abilities
>guy across the table flips out and demands everyone hard target me if they don't have removal for my card
>Every turn tells people to attack me or asks them if they drew removal
>After 5 turns of bitching ask him what his problem his when nothing on his board even has an activated ability.
>He thought triggered abilities were activated abilities
I need to find a new lgs

>>95941663
Nice projection. Way to tell on yourself

Been thinking of making Wizard tribal/spellslinger but not sure on the commander.
Which one of these 2 you guys think would make more interesting deck?

>>95941679
>No u!
Classic retard

>>95941682
I dunno about interesting, but, Kuja seems more fun.

>>95941679

>>95941624
I sure would fucking love if we turned a 2 hour long commander game into "War" because Tiny-Hands McGee wanted it to 'end'.

No he didn't want to win, no, he just wanted to watch everyone have to put away all their toys and wait to see which of the 3 turn players that will get draws, lands and presumably damage before him will slap the stupid grin off his face first.

His friends love him for forcing a fucking humiliation ritual to satisfy his cuckolding fetish in the pod. If the game ended any other way than a random toss up to see which deck is the most low-to-fucking-grass curve with damage sources, it would be a waste of time in his book.

>>95941702
>Mill player has milled 2/3's of everyone's libraries
>Don't worry guys, I'll deal with that pesky mill player! WORLDFIRE! Surely in 2 turns someone will draw a 1 drop hasted creature to kill the mill player!

>>95941624
Yes, I play the game to play the game. Sometimes players taking forever is part of it. I don't wanna decide winners through drawing lots.

>>95941699
ew

Niggas in this thread larp'd so hard about wanting this unbanned and I have yet to see a single decklist for her in these threads since she was let out of the cage.

>>95941134
You play this in maybe one deck

>>95941621
This is a combo anon

>>95941752
>tergrid is just better
people just wanted braids to be unbanned because not only is tergrid around braids herself isn't strong enough anymore
now for unbans that'll make an impact as game changers, there's primetime and og emrakul

>>95941774
A combo you get 3+ turns to answer.

>>95941783
Og emrakul was one of a few cards they said could end up coming off the list later so I could see it. Not a lot of strong decks could actually use it without some adjustments.

>>95941787
The only answer many decks have is to kill the player. Hence why you kill Jhoira and Jhoira players on sight.

>>95939486
>You're on an anime image board
This is a croatian fishmonger forum

>>95941879
>political activism forum*

>>95939486
>developmentally stunted millennials
this is THE cash cow audience.
Final Fantasy has a big chunk of them too, retard

>>95938864
>if you roll your eyes at women bothering to use fake luxury bags then guess what you're the exact same as those bitches kekw
Literally nobody does this. People roll their eyes at women actually caring if a fucking Chinese bag is real or not. The Proxy haters are the women in this scenario.

>>95939752
Fallout, again. Where's my fucking Benny card?!? >:C

>>95941292
>that blowjob game
What a throwback. I still remember the music that plays during it.

When are they going to add enemy color battle and cycling lands for us budget players imo

>>95941522
I just took every single spell from the Fallout set that makes you roll a die or create treasures and fucking stuffed it in.

No, I won't let anything from outside the FO set touch the decks.

>>95940918
You're in luck. They picked one of the most handsome Final Fantasy characters of all time to be his alt art.

>>95941930
Anima...

>>95941522
I just opted to proxy an entire deck based around him recently, with Lucky 38 card backs to boot. Kind of giddy thinking about it getting here, playing it out of the genuine boot I learned to deal cards out of. All the cards you'd want to play with him are all from DnD anyways so fuck that noise. I wanted to play Fallout, damn it! HotC have long since stopped caring about the sanctity of Magic, so why should I? Why shouldn't I just print whatever alter I want?

>>95941292
Better boot the blowjob game back up again anon because this card SUCKS

https://moxfield.com/decks/fb8QRe7bckClogYuXP2SXw
still working on this list before tomorrow, thoughts?

>>95941901
I like how you're so blaise about the authenticity of products but when the idea of ai art eventually replacing artists is brought up you'll froth at the mouth

>>95941518
hoooly shit, so like any other boardwipe in the gaaaame, except this time the one player who managed to draw the most cards before the wipe happend doesnt automatically win?

sign me the fuck up, id rather have RNG decide who can drop the first thing on board, and not the fucking simic value player value it through a boardwipe yet again

>>95941522
house is busted with cards that make you roll 1d20

>>95941957

>>95941959
I love AI art though? What are you even talking about? That's my first reply towards you, simply explaining reality like it is.

>>95941972
Ah i see you're logically consistent, carry on

>>95941955
Post Benny, give me Benny. I NEED Benny in my life NOWWWW. >:)

>>95941976
. . . I did make Benny, yes.

>>95941982
he cute

>>95941982
>>95941986
HOLY SHIT, BENNY!!!

>>95941991
Yes. Benny.

>>95941982
pretty good ngl.
surprised this guy didn't get a card.

>>95941982
nta but I would have brought that in a heartbeat if wotc had made that card.

>>95941982
Damn even the hud is orange, they should have done that in the actual set.

>>95942013
Yeah I had to edit some of the files in MSE directly to get it to do that, there isn't a setting for the color anywhere.

>>95941972
>i love AI art though
holy fuck, there he is

the Slopper

Butz should have been the obligatory 5c commander of the set. I'm so mad they reduced him to bird tribal.

>>95940008
same. then they say mld is not even good so why play it. not understanding how ridiculous that makes the limitation

>Edge of Eternities Commander Box League: July 25–31
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-play-featuring-sealed-and-two-headed-giant
>we're introducing new ways to play Magic's most popular format: Commander!
>You'll construct a 60-card deck out of the contents of a single Play Booster box and any number of basic lands.

>>95942349
It's not the first time they've tried this and it won't be the last.

>>95942349
I've been doing this for years with my group of 4.

>>95942362
If they're gonna go that route they should have kept the set boosters, or reintroduced them instead of making it all draftchaff with the playboosters.

>>95942349
>You ignore the color identity rule in deck building. Play any legal commander you open, then fill your deck with cards of any color.
What the fuck. They used to go with "partner 2 legends as long as you don't go over 3 colors" and that works just fine.

>>95942385
Was literally about to post this, what the hell are they thinking

Thank god they now stop containing art cards, those where a waste of space.
And no list cards, I would imagine mythic rares will also have a smaller percentage chance of showing up.

>>95942428
Art cards were great, the ads were useless though.

>>95942349
>10 Double-sided tokens or punch-out counters
>Counter Intelligence contains 6 double-sided tokens and 4 punch-out counter cards
>World Shaper contains 10 double-sided tokens
What are punch-out counter cards?

>>95942434
These things
They usually change depending on what's in the set, duskmourn's ones had door ones to show locked rooms

>>95942440
ahhh that makes sense, thanks, I didn't buy anything from duskmourn so I didn't know this was a thing. So it's not a new thing i take it, just me being out of the loop.

>>95942447
They have been in sets for almost a decade but I think i have maybe pulled 5 of them.
Im not surprised people dont know about them

>>95942385
I think my wotc schizo hate got to my reading comprehension because I read it as any card is a legal commander and thought they wanted to introduce the feared any planewalker as one's commander shtick.

>>95942456
>Amonkhet was 8 years ago
Jesus. I still see that and Kaladesh as new in my mind.

>>95942465
I still think of magic as before and after time spiral/future sight block myself. I realize how much that dates me.

>>95942484
I can see it. But for me it's pre and post Alara for some reason.

>commander decks no longer have the sample pack
why

>>95941972
Truly there are soulless golem automatons among us.
>>95942465
I started during ONE and that feels like ages ago already

>>95942497
Alara was pretty good and helped solidify a lot of three-color identity on a way the game hadn't seen since Ravnica. I don't know, you can point to a lot of little turning points in game design along the way but for me time spiral is a clear line of WotC both looking back to the past and looking forward to the future.

>>95942541
I have dropped in and out of magic many times over the years starting in Urza block and dropping at Kamigawa, back for Timespiral and out after Lorwyn, coming back for Innistrad and dropping again at Return to Ravnica, back for Ixalan and out for War of the Spark, and now back again in Duskmourne...
It feels like weird time capsules of different eras skipping across the history of magic.

>>95941542
I'm worried about mono blue just in general, I like doing mono but blue is rough for me because of the lack of removal, I don't like counterspells as much as other people.

I like that she promotes an aggro play style because those are the kind of decks I like

>small coomette shop update

>>95942803
>small tranny larp update

>>95942648
Blue has plenty of removal. Apart from things like Pongify and Essence Shatter, there's things like Imprisoned in the Moon which are underrated. Board wipes are things like Cyc Rift and other mass bounces that are often asymmetrical. You're basically playing worse white with better draw.

>>95942817
Blue's tempo disruption is just less effective in multiplayer games than it is in 1v1 so it doesn't scale to commander as well. At least in casual games where aggro gets discouraged and counters are less important. They have plenty of global effects that scale nicely though.

>>95942817
>You're basically playing worse white with better draw.
Ngl this is how I feel about it. Blue just seems worse than every other option available

>>95941702
>taking 2 hours to draw something that does 1 damage or enough lands to put your Commander onto the field

Holy shit how bad are your and your friends decks and how stupid are you all? Please God don't tell me it actually takes you chromosome dumpsters 2 hours to do 3-4 rounds of draw pass draw pass. Jesus Christ lmao no wonder you hate a 9 mana board wipe that actually wipes the board and brings an end to the game within 5 minutes tops at 99.9999999% of tables.

Why doesn't magic look like this

>>95942940
>just slaps some flesh tits on lady ga- I mean a robot
what do you think

>>95942940
Do not insult my wife with ai

>>95942349
>what if we took the only two formats that are still popular which have wildly different deck building philosophies and don't need to be mashed together in the first place and mashed them together?
>we already tried that, didn't really take-
>TRY IT AGAIN GODDAMMIT

Edge of Eternities is barely even spoilered and I already hate this set.

>>95942875
You just need to play to its strengths. Something like Aetherspouts is mostly better than white's mass removal and having a lot of draw power means you pretty much always have answers. The biggest mistake edh players make in blue is wanting to conter everything instead of the important things and then complain that they can't out counter 3 people.

>>95942648
1. Blue has removal outside of counters
2. Counters are blues main method of removal not using them is genuine retardation.

>teaching my friends to play
>Get to a point where everyone's looking at a board that has lethal next turn
>One of them attacks the non threat at the board because he knows he dead no matter what but "third place is better then last"
I'm glad there learning fast, even making spite plays

>>95942349
When I did sealed commander at MagicCon it was:

Mono-Colored legendaries have partner, no singleton rule, no banlist

>>95942349
This is just a plot to get people to buy boxes
This set is looking dead on arrival

>>95942817
>Apart from things like Pongify and Essence Shatter, there's things like Imprisoned in the Moon which are underrated.
>Rabid Hybridization
>Sugar Coat
>Resculpt
>Amphibian Downpour
All good too.
It's not strictly removal but I also love Polymorphist's Jest in my Zethi deck. Your whole board is now 1/1 frogs with no abilities, and I just gave Zethi flying :)

>>95942875
>blue has no removal

what the fuck ARE YOU EVEN ON? Blue does EVERYTHING.

Resculpt, pongify, floodmaw, cyc rift. Literally go on scryfall and search for blue cards that do the same thing. It's the most busted color.

retards I swear

>>95943008
At my event at MGC Netherlands you could pair up two color legends, as long as you didn't have more than 3 colors.

Wait, can pic related let me play sorceries on opponents turn or have I been playing this wrong for years?

>>95943028
Blue can't remove artifacts typically or enchantments at all

Yeah maybe you can bounce anything to the hand but that doesn't help long term and the bounce and counter takes 2 cards when other colors take 1

>>95942385
>>95943008
>>95943030
I like those rules. To be able to play whatever you want in there colorwise regardless of commander's colors sounds like a breach of the format.

>>95943039
Yeah it allows you to play anything on your opponent's turn

>>95943039
You can't, restrictions still apply.

>>95943052
>>95943056
>one of us only tells the truth, the other tells only lies
What would the another anon say the answer to my question is?

>>95943056
Timing restrictions based on the card's type are ignored for this effect.

>>95939768
If Hasbro wanted to catch the wave for Hoyoverse games they have already missed it. Genshin is popular but will be wrapping up its story by the time the set goes live at this point, HSR will be 5-6 years old at that point and hitting the same wall Genshin is right now and ZZZ was a non-starter.

>>95943072
I do believe you, but can you point me to where the rule is for this? It does not appear on scryfall at all which is why I suddenly had a panic about it.
Casting a sorcery on an opponents turn with Powerbalance got me some insane value at FNM and I just want to check I didn't cheat

>>95943088

>>95939752
Fire Emblem would be alright
Silent Hill would be tight

>>95943028
How do you deal with enchantments you absolutel retard

>>95943008
>Mono-Colored legendaries have partner
an easy fix for this without changing the rules or open up unwanted interactions is to just make new legendaries with "doctor's companion" kind of text
>you can have two commanders if the other is exactly one color

Is manapool legit? Their prices seem really good.

>>95943120
What's manapool

>>95943110
You play the biggest color pie break in the game

>>95943129
>other enchantments

Fucking bullshit

>>95943141
You are mad and I am chilling, Selesnya Encucktress player

>>95943129
this only hoses enchantress
this won't destroy a single enchantment that's about to kill you

>>95943146
Bounce it back to their hand, dummy.

>>95943110
steal enchantment?
Bounce non-land permanents?
Enchant permanents to no abilities with imprison in the moon?

stop being a stupid nigger

>open 15 packs of FF
>38 potential commanders
God damn

>>95943162
It's not controversial at all to say that blue has bad removal, you're just being a contratian

>>95943100
Alright, thanks. Why isn't this ruling on scryfall though?

>>95943167
Only if you don't count bounces or counters as removals, which most people do

>>95943176
I don't think anyone includes bounces as removal unless it's cyclonic rift

>>95943157
>>95943162
>>95943176
>bluefags coping that blue doesn't suck in brackets 2 and 3
bow to the real king whose humble enough to admit that they also have bad removal

>>95943019
We got a thinker everyone!!!

>>95943167
>It's not controversial at all to say that blue has bad removal,
No you're right, it's not controversial, it's just demonstrably false.
Rapid Hybridization, Pongify are very good value 1 drops. Resculpt EXILES a creature OR artifact for 2, and all they get in return is a 4/4 do-nothing. Amphibian Downpour is a staple in absolutely every storm and spellslinger deck. Imprisoned in the Moon is incredible because not only can it hit planeswalkers as well as creatures, but if it's their commander they don't even get to send it back to the command zone it has to sit with their fuckin' lands until they either find land or enchantment destruction which can be a stretch for a lot of decks

>>95943175

>>95943048
>>95943110
Bounce, counter, like 2 tax effects. Resculpt and ravenform hit artifacts. It's limited but thats okay its a 4 player game

>>95943120
Yeah I've never had a problem with them. The only issue is they tend to have a narrower selection than TCG.

>>95943039
>>95943056
If a card does not specify a time frame then you may cast that card at instant speed, to resolve the ability. If the card does, "until end of turn you may" then timing restrictions apply

>>95943110
>removal and protection for both creatures and enchantments on a 1 drop
Literally unplayable right?

>>95943202
Okay, okay. I literally skipped just the last line of that paragraph because I thought it was just telling me it's not exiled until end of turn, which I already knew.

>>95943199
So you have literally one card that can hit artifacts. I'll give you two because you forgot ravenform. Neither are good.

creature removal does exist, even with that you can only name 3 cards kek

I'll give you imprisoned in the moon as a fantastic card for sure

Literally nothing can touch enchantments.


Blue sucks at removal

>>95943217
>protection
>an opponent controls
kekw you can't even be a proper contrarian

>>95943039
you can't, the card is not multiple years old

>>95943221
Yeah so read nigger

>>95943229
Blues removal is decent and their prevention is unparalleled. They have enough choices that you can have both spot removal and sweepers for every permanent type. It has troubles with some as do all colors but it has its own great strengths.

FUCK FF
I want my Avatar Waifus and I want them now!

>>95943264
Sorry, 50% of the set has to be devoted to Legend of Korra slop. No room for your old cannon waifus

>>95943271
unfortunately wotc will sneak in some faggotry because korra herself is a dyke

>>95943271
supposedly it's just ATLA, so they'll have to get it all out of their system with 15 variations of Miles Morales

I appreciate the passionate discussion my post sparked but I'm still torn about what to include. Recommendations for a mono blue removal suite? So far I'm thinking
Pongify / rapid hy
Resculpt
Imprisoned in the moon
Aura flux
Negate
Counterspell
Swan song

>>95943271
for me? season 4 water tribe.
absolute coom? visible midriff with some abs as an og artist interpretation

>>95943286
reminder that strix serenade is the only 1 mana blue spell that can counter a creature

>>95943264
Fuck FF. Fuck Avatar.
Go back to Warhammer 40k.

>>95943310
technically there's stern scolding, but that's just awful lol

>>95943319
you had your time. now bow before your cartoon gods.

>>95943229
>So you have literally one card that can hit artifacts
Look man if you think it's the haha funny hilarious to just say things that are wrong so people will correct you and give you the information you're looking for instead of just asking them for it, that's a personal flaw. This isn't reddit you can just ask.

>Defabricate - counters and enchantment or artifact spell or counters activated or triggered ability of anything
>Resculpt - exiles creature or artifact and creates a 4/4 elemental token
>Raven Form - sorcery speed Resculpt for 1 more, but instead they make a 1/1 bird
>Chain of Vapor - for 1 return target nonland permanent to hand, that player can sac a land to copy the spell but they probably won't, especially since they want mana up to recast what you just bounced
>Into the Floodmaw - for 1 mana and the gift of a 1/1 fish, return target nonland permanent to hand
>Voidsnare - sorcery speed return target nonland permanent to hand.
>Echoing Truth - returns target nonland permanent to hand, AND every permanent with the same name your opponents control. So you can bounce everyone's Sol Rings or Arcane Signets, or pretty much board wipe the token player, for 2 mana.

I hope this information makes you better at this game anon, sincerely.

>>95943231
>why would you ever want to prevent something your opponent controls from being exiled or destroyed??????

>>95943264
She's 16 by the way.
Real swordtard hours right now.

>>95943339
>yes let me protect the thing by discarding a card to also remove it
>hey at least its temporary
>what do you mean the opponent already won?!
genius
perfectly encapsulates the average blue player

>>95943350
legal in my country

>>95943366
>bounce isn't protection!!!!
Lmao Standard pixie self-bounce would beg to differ.

>>95943381
>but muh standard!
/edhg/

>>95943387
>NOOOOO FUNDAMENTAL MECHANICS OF THE GAME CHANGE SOMEHOW BETWEEN FORMATS!!!!

Will you play the new commander format?
poorfags dont need to reply

>>95943381
This isn't standard

>>95943391
yes that's correct

>>95943399
Cool anon. The utility of bounce as protection doesn't suddenly dissolve between formats. If you want to dig your heels in and piss and cry because you've been proven wrong at every ITT, go ahead, but you don't need to keep replying to do it.

I've preordered my box, but not from one that provides for that event so no, but I might do draft with friends.

>>95943430
your lgs already knows? I've asked mine and they were like what the fuck are you talking about?

>>95943427
>The utility of bounce as protection doesn't suddenly dissolve between formats
Bounce is significantly worse on multiplayer. A it's valuable in standard because the game is much shorter, you're only dealing with a single opponent, and oftentimes they turn that you bounce stuff is either a tempo move or it's the turn that you win. But you already knew that.
>you've been proven wrong at every
This is insane schizo behavior from you anon and this is my first post in this "discussion".

>>95943427
>please dont reply anymore i'm getting tired of my own larp that modern blue is still good
Kekypow

>>95943264
I just want a rakdos fire nation deck to exterminate any monk deck I see.

>>95943439
>>The utility of bounce as protection doesn't suddenly dissolve between formats
>Bounce is significantly worse on multiplayer. A it's valuable in standard because the game is much shorter,

>I target your thing to exile it
>okay, in response for 1 mana I return it to hand. It has flash so I'll also just recast it now.
>NOOOOOOO THE GAME WILL GO ON FOR SEVERAL MORE TURNS SO SOMEHOW THIS IS NOT A VIABLE STRATEGY ANYMORE!!!!!
You need serious help. Not least of all because you're also getting a reputation for calling everyone who disagrees with you in these threads schizo. It's not healthy anon. If talking to people stresses you out so much that you're going to have a crying tantrum and call them schizo for making points you simply don't agree with, maybe this site isn't for you.

>>95943396
no need to use an entire box, we did the same with 10 packs each

>>95943454
>please leave this site i'm very tired i cant keep this up for long, look i'm already assuming the target has flash
Roru rumao

>>95943264
Also it's nickelodeon that owns the property and they will go full diversity on this. But firenation bad so hopefully Azula or other firebenders will not be racebend.

>>95943456
BUT ANON THE HASBRO WILL DIE IF WE DON'T BUY A WHOLE BOX PER PERSON
THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS

>>95943396
It's finally time

>>95943445
>BLUE DOESN'T HAVE GOOD REMOVAL!!!!
>yeah it does, here's like a dozen good cards
>W-WELL WHAT ABOUT ENCHANTMENTS HUH????
>here's cards that hit enchants and creatures so solve both issues you're having.
>HEH WELL I BET YOU DON'T HAVE ARTIFACT REMOVAL!!!!
>well blue is the artifact color, and its enemy colors green and red have the most artifact removal as a necessity of game design, but yeah heres a couple spells that will exile a creature or artifact, and if you're just trying to disrupt your opponent blue has dozens and dozens of spells that will bounce nonland permanents to hand. Bouncing is pretty good because you can bounce your own shit to protect it, especially good in a format with commander tax
>SO YOU CONCEDE THEN!?!?!?!
Been good talking to you anon. I hope you get better in every sense of the phrase.

>>95943454
>Can't make an argument without strawManning your opponents points IN CAPITAL LETTERS
You have nothing valuable to say
>Not least of all because you're also getting a reputation for calling everyone who disagrees with you in these threads schizo.
Don't try and "no you" your way out of this once you have been found out anon
>maybe this site isn't for you
I think you should take your own advice

>>95943100

>>95943056 here, damn. Guess I'll stick it back into my deck then.

>>95943480
>been nice talking to you but i really gotta go because i'm exhausted this joke isnt funny anymore
Huhehe

>>95943436
I assume it's only the lgs that has a deal with wizards and only one store in my country has that. But if I'm wrong I know I don't want to drive all the way to their place to play and I get all my stuff through postal.

>>95943463
Characters with established designs tend to get left alone. We have never had a problem with race changes in any IP where the character has an actual design. People turbosperg about LotR but don't seem to understand it was based on the book and only used the movies as inspiration. They didn't have the rights to the movies nor the actors likenesses. If the Tolkien Estate had given a shit, sure they could have made the characters at least reflective of what was obviously JRRT's obvious intent from the book, but they didn't, so they didn't.

>>95943480
He's literally talking to himself now kek

>>95943490
>>95943495
Samefag gonna claim victory despite being embarrassed repeatedly. Fascinating the shit people will do to protect their egos on an anonymous site.

what joke, did someone tell a joke in here? this is outrageous this is not allowed this is a serious forum where we take the hobby very serious. if anyone on here is revealed to joke we will eat all of his expensive cards and burn the rest. gatekeep gaslight greenramp

I'm baking new. "Blue has bad removal!!!" sperg is having a chernobyl tier tard tantrum

>>95943519
Proof you're a schizo
Inb4 you say "inspect element"

>>95943519
>>95943529
>you're samefagging!
>replies exactly one minute apart btw

>>95943510
I don't trust niggalodion with that given the live action movie and korra

>>95943540
Proof you can inspect element
>>95943541
>no one has 2 devices in 2025!!!!
Yeah.

Freshly baked get it while it's hot. Wrong previous, I'm sure someone will complain about that
>>95943549
>>95943549
>>95943549

>>95943350
Azula is 14 in ATLA

>>95943550
yes anon we know you're using two devices wowzers lmao

>>95943562
>I CAN'T BE SAME FAGGING BECAUSE OF POST LIMITS
>you used 2 devices
>I KNOW YOU DID BUT WHAT DID I???
Good one

>>95943583
blue has bad removal btw

>>95943590
>literally some of the best unconditional removal in the entire game

>>95943604
>can't even removal emrakul the aeons torn
blue is so weak

>>95943610
;)

>>95943633
>five mana removal
so terribad

>>95943644
five mana removal+theft, thanks for the Emrakul ;)

>>95943660
>bolts it before it can even swing
again, five mana removal
terrible trash

>>95943705
bolt it with what mana, you tapped out to play Emrakul ;)

>>95943713
>bolt it with what mana
with available red mana, usually from an untapped mountain

Should I build this now that artifacts can be commanders?

>>95941102
>>95941501
You know there's a straight up better version of this right?

>>95942949
>what do you think
Half of all Magic players are homos?

>>95943463
>go full diversity
>with Avatar: The Last Airbender
They're going to add white people?

>>95943480
You literally didn't post any removal though. Bounce effects are not removal.

>>95943725
Because you always have it

>>95944637
yes i sure do

>>95944438
5 mana to cast + 2 mana to convert vs 6 mana to cast without a conversion cost. It's definitely not strictly better.

>>95945500
NTA, but the more important difference is that sunfall exiles.

>>95945517
That is also not strictly better when it comes to boardwipes, especially in reanimator colors.

>>95943350
legal in over half the states, is that a problem?

>>95943350

>>95943303
>>95943264
for me? Toph.

>>95940780
This guy is good. Also, cephalids are also octopus.

Mander nights starting to look like Imagination Land from South Park, am I right?