Thread 95964861

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>>Previous thread:
>>95959735

>Thread Question:
Would GW benefit the most from making a 40k edition have the long lasting lifecycle that DnD 5e had provided that it is an all digital edition?

>Thread Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S00y1hmfBgk

>seriously thinking about starting an imperial fist army
Why couldn't crimson fists be ultramarines...

Enjoy fren!

>>95964861 (OP)
>TQ
GW unironically would benefit from such an edition, provided it is a good edition.
But really as much as I hate to say it I think the way GW runs Warhammer rules they might as well go all digital.
>thread theme
>MFW

My buttcheeks are covered in white spray primer.

>>95964861 (OP)
>10 years between editions
Would unironically kill the game. We are two years into the current edition and people are already looking towards the next one in desperation. If GW didn't capitalize on that desperation for something to change, another franchise would.

>>95964861 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
>Would GW benefit the most from making a 40k edition have the long lasting lifecycle that DnD 5e had provided that it is an all digital edition?
No, D&D is not competitive, warhammer is, in the mind of customers, and even when it comes to the more casual collectors the perceived balance influences sales.

It can have a static basic ruleset for a prolonged period of time, but it needs, at the very least, quick patches and points adjustments every season, and heavier handed changes of rules for all armies every year (not complete rewrites).

ideally all changes would happen roughly at the same time because historically the game was at its most satisfactory at the start of new editions when the codex creep is either reset by an index of sort, or the basic rules addressed the issues that allowed the previously crept codexes to dominate.

Imperial agents expansion is coming...
I can feel it...
>TQ
No because people are already bitches about codices and datasheets being borderline unchangeable in 3 year editions, imagine in a decade long one. Also they need to get money off people buying stupid rule books and dices every new edition and getting people excited over new codices every couple weeks like they are doing atm. Not very miniature savvy either. GW will most likely go to the secondary market and start making money off merch, videogames TV shows etc because painting miniatures and rolling dice is too much effort for most normies to try and get into.
Their best bet is to just add new stuff to their already existing roster alongside new factions and such to remain relevant but that would require too much effort... People are more excited for rebrands of older models than entirely new ones these days anyway, just look at how the TSbots were received.

>>95964958
So you’re saying people would prefer new tzaangor over the robots?

Droppod loses the weapon.
Still 10 max
Gravis count as 2.
0 OC, cannot do actions
Hull is just considered the inner part, the flaps are no longer counted
Free Rapid Ingress onto objectives

Down to 40 pts

;-; wen July poll

>>95965014
At this point we've had like less than 10 submissions for June and you're already worrying about July? lmao

>>95965002
post source
because at 40 points hand delivering a 3 man aggressor squad + captain asshole +harmicist might be funny

>>95965019
The vote's gonna be tomorrow/Sunday anyway, right?

>>95965019
trying too hard
>>95965025
he made it up

>>95964973
No...
But if they did a new sculpt for the Blue Scribes, Flamers or even the horrors that looked better than the last ones people would eat it up regardless of the fact none of them need an update at all and it would definitly be better received than the sekhatar statue fellas. Can't let GW experiment must go back to status quo
I don't even think the sekhatar bots look good at all but at least shit like that is a solid step in the right direction. Knowing GW they will probably be sitting on some meeting room going
>Oh no! People didn't react as positively as we wanted them to towards our 3 new little chaos guys from Adepticon!
>Could it be monopose overly trimmy stuff doesn't fly that well? Specially when they have so much potential of units that exist in lore but aren't represented in the tabletop?
>No they just hate new units!

>>95965002
>Hull is just considered the inner part, the flaps are no longer counted
That's going to make disembarking a bunch of infantry in squad cohesion into a bitch and a half

>>95965002
>10 max
Into the garbage it goes

>>95964909
The best two editions lasted 10 years and were basically the same edition with slight edits halfway through.

>>95965019
10-15 submissions is probably what should be the expected amount for a small community like this one. We will probably get slightly more if we do a Character model next month.

>>95965117
Bro how the fuck would you fit more than 10 marines in that thing, it only looks like it can take 5 to begin with.

>Like ironhands lore and bionics
>black looks boring af
Guess i'll paint Red Talons

What's the best way to use Devastators this edition?

nobody would happen to know recasters with a good collection of vehicles right

>>95964958
I AM THE LEX

>>95965147
With meltas in a razorback. Still flatly worse than running 3 msu eradicator squds.

>>95965147
Sadly they can't go in an Impulsor, or else you'd be able to get a very funny 8 shot Lascannon machine in Space Wolves

>>95965122
That was before the internet and larger playerbases allowed metas to become solved and stale in a month instead of taking years.

>>95965147
If you run Anvil Siege Force then 4 Heavy Bolters is fun.

Stand still, get your heavy 3+bs.
Stand still, get your +1 to wound dice rolls.
Toughness 9 items wound on 4's. T10+ is 5's.

I wouldn't build around that without Suppressors and lots of Intercessors(both kinds work).

Missile launchers flying flak missiles work well with it too for horde smashing. Just in case you're hesitant to run HB's for anti tank options.

But since the rule gives heavy to regular bolters when you get 5 dudes to take hits for the guns, I tend to do heavy bolters for anti infantry potential for killing marines on 2 wound hits with heavy bolters.

>>95965196
>tourneyfag argument
Who gives a shit about meta anon, that mindset is literally the problem. Play campaigns.

GIVE DEVASTATORS AND TACTICALS THE TACTICUS KEYWORD

>>95965152
Nice try James.

>>95965019
im still working on my rhino for it. will post later today.

I've got building paralysis, should I build
A. Space Marines
B. Tyranids
C. Various Chaos Daemons

>>95965285
Whatever you can use sooner or want to paint sooner.
>I wont mention what I had to do for pic related.

>>95964902
I did not lie to my sons about chaos. It's not true. It's bull shit. I did not. Oh... hi Horus!

>>95965285
Daemons.

>>95965217
>Getting emotional because someone answered your question.
Gamelets are the worst.

>>95965196
Troonamentfags need to be shamed into suicide

>>95965147
they are literally only usable in angelic inheritors because you can guarantee those 4 las cannons can just sit back and shoot without every being shot back at
if you attempt to use them in anything else they will die to an indirect fart
this is exactly why people would rather take 2 ballistus for the same amount of las at 280 points, because they also bring krak rockets and can contest points/not fucking die to your nurgle opponents BO

still got more to do but at least everything finally has some paint.
>yes those are all original parts
>front/sides, top, and rear, plus GK tank commander

>Raptors (CSM unit)
>Raptors (Space Marine Chapter)
>Raptors (Horus Heresy Night Lords unit)
>Raptors (Horus Heresy Raven Guard unit)
>Raptors (Eldar jet bike)
>Raptors (Dark Eldar voidship)

>>95965370
is mossa /ourdegenerate/?

>>95965345
>emotional
What
Do you think anyone who uses the word "fuck" is shouting, are you a boomer new to the internet or something

>>95965217
>>95965217
>>95965346
Nta but anon didn't advocate for the "troonament" mindset. They just pointed out it exists. If you have even a SINGLE person in your LGS who follows online build advice or meta strategies it will infect your entire game store. All he has to do is say "oh you should try putting your fire dragons in a wave serpent, and have you SEEN Asurmem this edition" to put the idea in people's heads that the good thing is the good thing. Its not even a waacfag mindset, the simplest of optimizations or concession to the fact you are playing a game will cause the LoseAAC narrative player to become an 0 - 10 type. This isn't 2002, and pretending it isn't will just kill the game entirely. Not to worry though, GW doesn't care about hot opinions because you don't play 10th so they don't have to cater to your tastes or backwards sensibilities in the slightest.

>>95962347
Glad you liked anon, hope you do see this I was sleeping.

The way I do the glowing skulls (Or anything really) is by reversing the shadows > highlight painting style. Instead of going with a dark color and building up lighter layers I start with the brightest color, in that case tesseract green, and then build up with slightly darker layers each time making it smaller and smaller.
For the skull pauldron I went
>Tessaract green
>moot green
>Warpstone green
>caliban green

Give it a shot, its pretty fun.

>>95965370
>>Raptors (Horus Heresy Raven Guard unit)
;_;

>>95965454
this guy gets it
I like designing fluffy, interesting lists
but I still need to design my lists around whatever's doing well, because our local GT is coming up and everyone is posting their lists and it's literally 3 WAAC dudes and everyone else who is going to get fucking creamed
and a lot of the younger players take everything the WAAC guys say as gospel, even though they themselves are just netdecking, and refuse to look at anything outside of the box

>>95965196
>>95965454
You zoomers are so cute thinking we didn't have internet and metafags back in the 2000s. The problem isn't that "the internet exists", it's just the culture. Back then it was easier to find players who understood the point of 40k and to outnumber the WAACfags and shame them out of doing retarded stuff, but they always existed.

>>95965002
I wish this post was true. Drop pods would be worth taking in some cases. I wish GW would just release the fucking rules already. What is gained by keeping it secret?

>>95965403
>Warhammer art
>historical references
>draws about niche characters/factions instead of always sticking with the main ones
>makes reddit trannies seethe uncontrolably
100% /our gook/

>>95965346
Listen anon, we know you don't own anu models, because you suck at the game. It ok, the "troonament fags" can't hurt you as long as you stay in your secondary lane.

>>95965403
Maybe if you like pedo art

>>95964891
When are they adding IH cosmetics?

>>95965526
that's why I called him a degenerate, but he makes a lot of art that references our memes and other gay shit

>>95965516
Nta bu show us your lovingly painted meta list if you're gonna go around calling people nonodels for no reason

>>95965526
>t. reddit tranny

Has any Nosie Marine replaced their wang with a musical instrument?

>>95965470
This goes hard as fuck.

>>95965454
It's a bunch of nomodels and gamelets. Anyone playing with friends or casual locals isn't period-bitching online constantly about the troonfags coming to get them.

>>95965486
>Back then it was easier to find players who understood the point of 40k
It is, you're just being gatekept for being an emotional internet bitch.

>>95965014
I'll do the poll tomorrow. Expect it to be afternoon euro hours. If you haven't submitted your vehicles already you can do so here. Also feel free reply with suggestions for the poll, we have like 4-5 so far. I'll do an anchor post for model submissions tomorrow, sunday and monday fyi.

Aren't tournament fags basically the only ones guaranteed to have models (and painted ones at that) because they have a verifiable public record of their showing up to play with them?

>>95965555
Nta and Devils advocate
Not all stores have a casual pickup game community, some stores are really sweaty. Also looking at some of the posts here I'd say it's fairly safe to say a lot of people here don't have friends or friends in the hobby

Why does he wear the cape?

>>95965526
you don't belong here

>>95965539
>no models, no game, no honor, all drama

>>95965589
Depends on whether they're running a list they've already decided to take to a tournament or if they're at casuals just testing stuff

>>95965526
NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN
Is this like one anon with OCD because it's always the same talking points with the same writing style every time. This is like the 7th time I see this exact fucking discussion start up

>>95965526
Like how Graduation/Life of Pablo can be appreciated and DONDA/DONDA2 can be disliked, surely you can admit his non-pedo stuff is good right?

>>95965602
>blutacked onto bases
>unpainted bases
-10vp

>>95965610
NTA, but from what i've seen of his stuff, its not really that good. His artstyle is just distinct.

>>95965608
nta, but I don't like pedo shit and I'm not going to go through all his porn to personally verify if his stuff passes my filter so I just avoid collecting or posting his art because I dont want to be associated with or exposed to pedo/gore/torture content. But I'm also not le moralfag pilled to say that he isn't a very talented artist who had made some amazing pieces. He goes pretty far outside the boundaries of canon 40k as well.

>>95965594
Because capes are cool

>>95965594
Aura farming

>>95965610
Nta but I'm not really a fan of his smudgy artstyle.

>>95965608
I mean, the guy does draw a certain type of art sometimes

>>95965631
Ah fair.
I sorta like it because it reminds me of Dungeon Meshi.

>>95965626
I'll take artists being weirdos who aren't entirely to my taste and producing interesting pieces over hourglass-figure pinup illustrator #30865

>>95965591
Those that can't interact with normal society are abnormal themselves. It's to easy to find casual gamegroup in this day and age. Fuck spergs that bitch online because the people around don't fit a specific niche.

>>95965589
No. It’s been my experience most meta and tourney players have 1-2/3rds of their army painted. If they’re part of a team then usually one guy on the team paints for the others. Tourneyfags aren’t in this for the hobby.

>>95965617
>no models doesn't understand the hobby process
Sad but not surprising. Still a no models gamelet.

>>95965626
pedo art specifically should be shamed and bullied and society should have anonymous pedo helplines were people can anonymously access therapy and coping strategies to curtail any consumption of this material. The vast majority of real life pedophiles and child predators access this content online and actively feed their fantasy of children before they hurt real victims. And we have a clear track record of helping actual pedos (and people who aren't pedos but have the specific type of OCD where you live in you are a pedo 24/7) through anonymous help programs.

>>95965661
those aren't tourneyfags lmao
nobody who takes tournaments seriously is going to risk -10vp for not applying three colors and bases to their army

>>95965680
I like the hull. Reminds me of WW2 warbirds with unpainted hulls.

>>95965680
I don't know what you're arguing about, but how often does someone back up their internet fight with a full painted army?

>>95965594
Because the Hive Mind likes to flex on its food.

>>95965680
really like your paintjobs anon, knights are almost cheating with how easy it is to make them look great
wish decalsloppa would take a note on how less is more with those stompy robots

>>95965594
a webbed cloak isn't too weird desu

>>95965365
Very cool brother

>>95965729
Uhhhhh no more is more!

>>95965470
which book is that in?

>>95965562
Baffling schizo post

>>95965691
>>95965698
>>95965729
Thanks, knights and airbrushing is definitely cheating.
>>95965790
Lol, lmao even. gg

>>95965403
100% yes. Not only is he legitimately a great artist but the little touches and details he puts into his art show creative initiative and also a ridiculously expansive knowledge of obscure 40k lore that isn't known to normies.

Who thinks tyranids are weak?
>are half the units sub par?
>are most of the units sub par?
>are there mostly just one or two lists that does ok?
>are they too strong in one area?

>>95965821
aren't nids currently stomping because of their gay 6" deepstrike shit?

>>95965821
Biovores back at the start of 10th were the most disgustingly broken model ever released

>>95965821
They're pathetically weak dude
>SitW might as well not exist
>none of their datasheets have half the hitting power they're supposed to
>completely ass-backwards design around board control to score points while getting beat up, when back in the day Tyranids entire thing was being the army that cared least about scoring objectives and was instead most geared towards tabling the opponent before the opponent outscored them

Newfag to the tabletop here. Does the game really incentivize using the named characters, would I be disadvantaged using generic heroes? What would you say are the most newfag friendly armies that aren't space marines? Nothing against them, but almost everyone at my lgs plays them so I think it'd be interesting to do something different.

>>95965896
>Does the game really incentivize using the named characters, would I be disadvantaged using generic heroes?
Yeah it's cringe as fuck.

If you want to be a chad play Genestealer Cults, they have no named characters.

>>95965881
>49% winrate
huh

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>95965930
>in a few very specific, unfluffy and unfun builds, they manage to barely scrape out wins often enough for a below average winrate
>this is useless in Crusade for half of their agendas that rely on actually killing things

>>95965896
Unfortunately named characters really are heavily incentivized. You can play without them but it’ll be an uphill climb for a lot of armies. As for noob friendly and not ‘rines, anything other than admech is decent at the moment, all the complexity has been stripped from the game this edition so pretty much any army can be picked up and figured out. I’d say tau, guard, and nids are decent to start with. Tau and guard tend to be more expensive to build a whole army with though. Orks are usually a good call but they’re in a bit of a slump at the moment so it might feelbad for a new player using them.

>>95965974
>mismatched basing

Reeeeeeeeeeee

>>95965946
By that logic vanilla marines are even worse

>>95965974
That looks like a bitch to transport

>>95965502
Doesn't that guy draws guro CP?

>>95965992
At least it isn't HH Demon Fulgrim

>>95965992
I don’t have too much trouble, I have some small organizer cases for the little guys and I use an old cardboard beer box for the bigger guys.

>>95965998
See >>95965540

>>95965998
You cannot "draw CP", if it's drawn it isn't CP, stop misusing that term.

>>95965945
No its not

>>95966008
Would you like to post something like "I love guro CP"?

>>95966021
>hmm ackshyually she is a 1000yo dragon goddess

>>95966021
What do you think they use as reference

CP generation is important to every army in 40k, it's literally keeping basic marines in the running though their winrate has dropped now that they aren't getting 2 CP per round

>>95966032
True!

>>95966021
Tell that to a british court lol

>>95966033
>better start looking at real life tyranid warriors for reference! otherwise I could not possible paint them!

Marines are ebst at getting CP

>>95965896
I would say yeah because they are very strong and the current narrative state of the game wants battles to be set pieces between well known actors and their armies rather than another nameless battle on an unremarkable planet in an endless war. Tthey aren't auto-win buttons no matter what a salty player will say, they still need to be used and countered smartly. Names characters are pretty fun to play with and they usually have cool models so I don't have a problem with it. For new non-SM armies Tau and Imperial Guard(I'll be long in the cold dead ground before I call them Astra Militarism) are easy to make and figure out ho to play but Guard are a higher model count so more $$. Tyranids are recommended too but I don't know them well enough to say, one upside is you can probably have an entire army look pretty nice just with drybrushing.

Either way, don't fall into the trap of collecting something you aren't that into just to to better on tabletop. Some games are going to go great no matter how bad the army lists are, sometimes you have a strong list that hard-counters your opponent and you get fucked by dice. Such is life in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium.

>>95966061
Are you being purposedly obtuse

Does any normal person care if you have a 30k Predator instead of a 40k one? I like the look of the Deimos one more than the current kit.

>>95966090
James is dispatching a team to your location.

>>95966090
It’s getting squatted so it doesn’t matter

>>95966090
Bro the last time I went to my FLGS some guy was playing a WE army that was half grey tide and half proxies using random lizardmen from the store itself

>>95966090
I would struggle to find someone that did since they literally use the same model chassis and the lore fully supports war machines that are thousands of years old.

>>95966090
nobody does, even GW said do it if you want

>>95966090
>Does any normal person care if you have a 30k Predator instead of a 40k one?
No one normal plays this game, anon.

>>95966090
A lot of people use the 30k vindicator because it's the same size, easy to find, a better kit, and even the most hardcore tourney rules are "only gw plastic"

>>95966090
yes a guy got kicked out of the store for trying to pass off a land raider proteus as a regular land raider it goes against the competitive integrity of the game. Use the correct models or go away.

>>95966121
That's based actually.

>>95966121
No he didn't.

>>95966090
>Does any normal person care if you have a 30k Predator instead of a 40k one?
GW literally told you to do this.

>>95966129
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

>>95965945
Dark eldar more like fart smelldar lmaooo

>>95966090
I just ran realized I can use this as a proxy for a Castigator and it would probably be a highly praised kit bash from my HH heavy store. I have tons of leftover sisters bits from my 3 sisters Rhino kits.

>>95964861 (OP)
Collage-bro are you there? Here's my submission.
A printed Scylla Light Tank. That is to be a scout sentinel with missiles proxy on an 80mm base.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Scylla_Light_Tank

First time painting a tank and I decided it should be a 3D printed one so I can go back and revisit it and without fear of the model being OOP as I have the STL file.

>apply wash diluted with speedpaint medium
>metallic paints come off when moving brush over them
>had to reapply wash
Either I didn't wait long enough for my metallics to dry or ProAcryl metallics are fragile. A shame. I like dark silver.
Or my brush's bristles are too springy.
Be careful anons!

Anyways feel free to suggest ways to improve, rate and or roast my work. There were quite a number of 3D printed supports I missed after the priming and airbrush basecoating stage.

Dark Eldar refresh isn't coming. I can't feel it.

>>95965900
>>95965974
>>95966081
Thanks for the info. Only wanted to avoid named characters to focus on creating a cool mydudes™ army first. I'll have to give serious consideration to Genelstealers vs IG vs Tau, straight up Tyranids are not really my thing. How do Eldar and Sisters of Battle play?

>>95966170
he cute

>>95966178
Blood Angels LAG is probably the least character driven army in the game

>>95966178
SOB and Eldar are very technical, hard to play armies. Screw up once and you’ll lose very important units easily. Play it right and you’ll table your opponent without losing anything. SOB also have the same problem as guard, high model count.

>>95966090
Deimos in 40k are rare, but 100% canon

Finally gave 10th a chance after not playing since the end of 9th.

The LoS rules fucking suck.

>>95965002
>Down to 40 pts
PLEASE GW DO A DROP POD ASSAULT DETACHMENT AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

>>95964861 (OP)
>TQ
Sorta, having a long edition would be great as newer players don't have to worry about jumping in at the wrong point and having to relearn rules they just learned. On the other hand it's a good idea to refresh some of the rules especially if they've become stale or to fix issues players have found. This also applies to codex books as it's annoying to have to spend $60 every 3 years just to play an army. Doesn't sound like a lot but if you want to play multiple armies it becomes expensive. Of course there are ways around like pirating or just playing combat patrol. Personally I think the solution is to move back to a 4 year edition cycle but limit the amount of new rule changes as much as possible. Rather just focus on adding new types of play, fixing issues and advancing the lore narrative. Let codex books linger longer like in older editions and if GW must re-release new a new codex every edition then move to a subscription based model. Where there you can either pay say $20 for an online code for that entire edition or bundle in an all access pass for every codex books as a premium tier of Warhammer plus.

>>95964909
>another franchise would
I've been hearing this cope for 16 years.

Why do the older codices feel more flavorful despite having less rules? My point of reference is specifically comparing the 4th edition Tyranid codex with the 10th edition one. One would imagine with all the unique rules, stratagems, and detachment rules that the new codex would feel much more flavorful, but it doesn't feel that way. Is all the flavor of an army held within the wargear options? Does your army feel more flavorful in 10th than it does in the 3rd-4th edition era, or is this just a Tyranid problem?

>>95966360
Its not universally true.
4th and 5th were good. But especially 6th is horrible. 8th is another peak, and 9th and 10th are a bit worse again, but nowhere near as bad as 6th.

>>95966360
Because it's a bait opinion?

>>95966298
You're telling me you would play 10th edition for 10 years?

>>95966395
Yes

>>95966360
Late 3rd and early 4th were the peak of the game and the 4th ed Tyranid codex was one of the top 5 best and most flavorful codexes ever printed (3.5 Chaos being the uncontested GOAT). This was a time period when different designers were in charge than the guys they have in the studio today.

>>95966360
Idk about other armies but I really liked my Sisters codex. Tons of nice full color art. Could do with more blanch art but if you like 90s style art that's another conversation all together.

>>95966257
Imo all these things can be solved by making 10th codexes still work in 11th edition.

>>95966417
But that would mean another edition with 10th's system and I'd hate that.

>>95966452
This.

10th needs to die in a fire and be forgotten. Best way to fix 40k at this point is to just copy the Horus Heresy rules for the core and release 40k libres.

>>95966456
Yes please. A simultaneous full release for every faction would be great. They can still release "arcane journal" style books for each faction later but those aren't required.

>>95966465
There's nothing wrong with codex releases afterwards if they can avoid the temptation to power creep to sell models to WAACfags. But we need a stronger core system.

Granted, there appear to be some annoying issues and flaws with the new HH3.0 rules, but I'd still much rather deal with that system with its apparent flaws than even look at 10th ever again.

>>95966456
>HH
no
>>95966465
arcane journals are somehow even more lazy than codexes

>>95966482
>>HH
>no
Yes. At this point it's better than 40k in every way.

>>95966478
>There's nothing wrong with codex releases afterwards if they can avoid the temptation to power creep to sell models to WAACfags
no ones ever been able to prove they do that, like when they have specifically wanted to sell certian models like the primaris named characters or fenrisian wolves they never made them op

>>95966482
Mechanically HH is a thousand times superior to mainline 40k. The main problem is just that it's missing 90% of the factions that real 40k has.

HH3.0 system looks shit

>>95966489
no its not, it requires you to throw every turn

>>95966490
>no ones ever been able to prove they do that
We've had interviews with ex-GW devs where they said they were specifically ordered to do that. Like with the Wraithknight in 7th edition. They don't do it with every model, obviously, but there are ones where they do, and its usually the executive business guys' fault, not the designers.

>>95966489
>>95966496
such a great system that the players actively ignore like 2/3 of the rules.

>>95966503
what

>>95966496
It has all the factions that matter and also chaos space marines

>>95966497
It's got issues, but it still looks infinitely better than 10th ed 40k.

>>95966510
Thats my issue with Horus Heresy. Chaos marines dont fucking exist.

>>95966497
Why? And in any case it will still be better than 6-10th.

>>95966409
Tomorrow I'm playing a game of 4th and was dicking around with some units.
I had forgotten how many options I had.
Just as a dumb example a random storm trooper unit leader could have 80 points worth of extra gear for a 10 point model.
Yes you could give that random fuck a power armor, a Rosarius, plasma pistol, power weapon and make both of them master crafted.
Granted it is stupid, but maybe the power armor for just 10 points or a random combi weapon or power weapon for those 10 points could make a difference if you have some left over.
The amount of little changes that you can make to fit to your random model collections is something that I miss a lot.

>>95966510
Kekked at the spoiler, but jokes aside, even Marine players want other factions to play against. It's more fun to fight aliens than infinite mirror matches.

>>95966395
I still play 5th and 6th even now. Who plays the current edition? Just make your own rules. Primaris are terrible.

>>95966478
The issue with codex releases is either your stuck with a shitty codex for 4 years (or rarely an overpowered one), since you were one of the factions to get first dibs, or you're stuck with last editions codex (or as an index) for most of the edition and don't get an actual release till the end of the cycle. This is something Kill Team solved by just releasing all the team rules for free and buffing them/nerfing them in quarterly updates. Of course GW is unlikely to do away with the pay for play system they've implemented in big hammer.

>>95966527
Primaris are king you nitwit.

>>95966525
Played marines for the most part of 3rd till 5th.
Can't stand marines now I rather not play than face marines.
Can tolerate chaos marines though at least there is demon and some random crap from time to time.
So an entire game of just marine vs marine is just insane for me.

>>95966505
could you provide that interview

Finished another small low effort kitbash, this time a techmarine in terminator armour, he's standing alongside a chaplain.
The fucking combat patrol magazine was a godsend

>>95966505
>The wraithknight
fucked up how a 1200pt monster became 300pts

>>95966560
Remember reading an article about it. Let me see if it is still up

Take notes

The design for the armour is crazy consistent, but which model/ design is best young man?

>>95966609
>silver for highlighting gold
into the trash it goes

>>95965594
Way back when the model was revealed, I rationalized that the tentacles hanging off the hips were meant to aid in climbing/vertical/inverted suspension, and having tissue between them would serve a dual purpose of strengthening that grip, while also disrupting the visual profile of Deathleaper and aiding in camoflage.

Apologize.

>>95966614
06

>>95966614
1991 I hate topknots and like helmets with tubes feeding into them.

Painting the weapon and some of the armor segments bone is good though.

>>95966560
I honestly don't know where to find it now, it's been ages. But specifically what he said was he made the Wraithknight way stronger to be a Gargantuan Creature and more like the lore, and then increased the points accordingly to keep it fair, and the sales manager or whoever the fuck it was in charge said "no, keep the points the same", and he went "aw but these new rules are so cool" and they said "no no, we like the new rules, add the new rules, just keep the points the same" and he couldn't change their minds.

>>95966452
shut the fuck up bitch, 11th will never be good because all you care about is old good new bad. 11th week be the exact same shit as 10th even it makes some systematic changes. You are never ever EVER going to get 60 wargear options for John Guardsmen again, and if you want that you should go to the battle bible thread or grog. 10th and 11th will NEVER be 4th. Ever. Get that through your thick fucking skull. Don't reply to 10th edition posters who actually play games instead of dreaming about it on the anime titty hacker website. When we talk about our vision for the game as people with experience with it we don't need post no. 83938688381 saying "man I miss 3e/4e" because you are a fucking NPC and we've heard that dialogue option 5 billion times at this point.

if a 5 pts to add a flashlight is what makes an edition good, then yes, WE KNOW, you won't like 9th/10th/11th/12th... or any other edition.

Oh, also post 4E army with time stamp or you are just another autist claiming to have a stake in the game when you don't play, don't hobby and most likely just watch slop tubers and have nostalgia for a generation of gaming you weren't even there for.

>>95966614
2000 helmet on 2006 body

Do you think the ultramarines movie is still a pretty good representation of space marines? The beginning is very slow paced and shows new battle brothers lusting for glory in the locker room. Its quite well done but surely these brothers would have experienced combat as scouts, do they truly not consider that as experience?

I think wargear should have costs but be tiny upgrades. 5pts unlocks "Advanced" gear for a Seargent who then gets a choice of Neo Volkite or plasma pistol and a Power Fist or Thunder Hammer instead of a chainsword
None of this "15pts for a melta" baloney.

>>95966663
Not him, but seethe faggot. Why are you so hellbent on defending shitty editions?

Are there any good books about Raven Guard?

>>95966672
yeah something like that that allows for granular upgrades but doesnt mean little timmy built his inceptors wrong

>>95966677
hes not defending 4th, though?

Man I miss 4e

>>95966549
This wasn't so much of a problem when editions lasted 6 years instead of 3.

>>95966686
you never played it

>>95966680
How can you build something wrong?
Like when dumb fuck glued the bolters to the marines without cutting the grip?

>>95966684
Weak bait. No serious person has ever considered 4th a shitty edition. It's overwhelming considered the number one by the majority of people who played it and even people who might have liked another edition better never rank 4th lower than 2nd or 3rd place out of 10.

>>95966677
He’s not asking for HH, though?

>>95966692
>how can you build something wrong
you give your dudes the wrong weapon option and everyone makes fun of you for it. The example given in how we roll was spears instead of swords

>>95966663
>11th will never be good because all you care about is old good new bad
HH is new and I think it's good. Checkmate.

>>95966692
When you build a model with a cool weapon but it turns out that the single weapon will almost never come up and costs an additional 20% of the unit's base cost

>>95966663
>because all you care about is old good new bad
Maybe if the newfag designers didn't consistently keep putting out slop that's noticeable worse than old editions people wouldn't keep saying this.

>>95966672
>None of this "15pts for a melta" baloney
If the melta is replacing a bolter why the fuck not? Have any of you retards that defend 10ths godforsaken system even seen how 9th points even worked?

>>95966709
That problem is still evey much real. Actually, it's even worse today as you already pay the price for the best upgrades no matter what you choose

>>95966702
>the wrong option
Ah we are talking about the corpo editions.
Play 4th

>>95966702
That's bread and butter in 10th. Imagine building your leman russes with heavy bolters or your sergeants without plasma pistols and power weapons.

>>95966724
thats how anyone with a brain saw units anyways, its why inceptors were only used when plasma is free. It is fairly rare for wargear to be worth it

Are ultramarines really glory seeking immature prats?

Do these block line of sight despite being completely flat?

>>95966730
in 10th it doesn't matter what you model which is the point.

>>95966730
WYSIWYG in 10th is irrelevant since there objectively correct options. So what the model has is pretty much irrelevant.
So how do you build something wrong when the model themself are irrelevant is a mystery.
Is not like in older edition where you had a choice and you some cost and benefits from choosing one thing over another

>>95966744
That's completely wrong.
>>95966736
You people need to understand that it isn't free, it's baked into the cost of the unit.

>>95966708
>hasn’t even looked at the rules
>let alone play them
I think anons asking for Hh rules just hate 40K.

>>95966750
>You people need to understand that it isn't free, it's baked into the cost of the unit.

and when its not included it isn't worth buying, there are very few times when buying upgrades is ever worth it

>>95966749
I don't accept my opponent WAAC-fagging. It's WYSIWYG or bust, fag

>>95966741
Still ruins so unless you're in it then yeah.

>>95966741
What the fuck is that map? Where would buildings EVER be arranged like that with those angles?

>>95966768
WYSIWYG was a WAAC policy initially, though.

>>95966758
I mean 2.0 has been around for 3 years now I still think it's better than any edition since 7th. I'm liking a lot of what I see from 3.0 too.

>>95966768
You are playing 10th. Self-respect was never an option

>>95966770
That's so fucking dumb. I thought they were supposed to be craters and they fucked me up.

>>95966672
>5pts unlocks "Advanced" gear for a Seargent
That's how things used to be done in older editions your sgt would get +1 attack as well.

>>95966774
WYSIWYG is the narrative patrician choice. Even if the option isn't meta, you stick with it because it's what's modeled.

>>95966772
you could try to make a city block or something, but youd end up with a sort of three-lane structure where each street is a trap to walk down

>>95966788
I should add it just unlocked the wargear page for them but you still had to pay for their stuff.

>>95966758
>I think anons asking for Hh rules just hate 40K.
Modern 40k? Yeah. Because they removed all the cool rules and turned the game into a stratagem riddled bland pseudocard game instead of the crunchy wargame it was before. 30k keeps that. But I want the 40k setting.

>>95966776
>notice how he never mentions playing 2.0

>>95966790
Not how it used to be, thats a more modern take.

It used to be that WYSIWYG was something more competitive people did

>>95966784
Yeah it's pretty much all ruins in any comp format because other terrain doesn't really do anything.. Hopefully we get some better terrain rules next edition.

>>95966790
>WYSIWYG is the narrative patrician choice
wrong, WAACfaggot

>>95966790
True, but in 10th there is no reason to care about WYSIWYG, because you already paid for the best option.
Might as well just use the best option and model your guys the way you want them to look.
I mean if GW can't tell the difference between an autogun and a shotgun why should we care.

>>95966799
>all the cool rules
like which one, and do elighten how no one ever bitched about it

>>95966801
Not him but did you miss the entire point of the conversation? We don't want to play Horus Heresy. We want to play 40k with Horus Heresy core rules.

>>95966772
They don't have to all be buildings, they can orbital debris, stopped/abandoned vehicles, piles of storage, radio towers, big 'ole utility cabinets, etc.

>>95966818
but none of you play heresy, you just like the idea of it

>>95966741
One of the worst deployments in the game

>>95966819
Who the fuck abandons their vehicles in exact 4-way radial symmetry. You people who defend this shit are clowns.

>>95966818
Doesn't HH use 7e core rules?

>>95966815
Nta but I liked all of the more simulation style rules that tried to emulate a battlefield, like how roads let wheeled/tracked vehicles go faster or how forests worked. Also liked how line of sight worked. A lot of the crunchier rules had grogs argue until they're blue in the face but they still do that nowadays.

>>95966827
>but none of you play heresy
That's what I just said, yes. I don't want to play marines vs marines, I want to play a game that has orks and tyranids and eldar in it.

>>95966834
Not since 2.0. And even 1.0 never had most of 7th's issues because it had completely different army lists and no formations.

>>95966832
It's a competitive map, dingus.

>>95966834
The first edition used modified 7e rules, 2nd edition was its own bespoke game system that branched off, and 3rd ed Heresy is another reboot that's changing even more stuff.

>>95966847
Don’t you think Hh works the way it does is because it’s solely marines?

>>95966855
The point is that competitive is cringe if it completely throws away any idea of immersion. 40k is a wargame, it isn't chess. If you don't even care to make the battlefield look believable why even use painted miniatures? Why not just use little cardboard circles with names printed on them?

>>95966834
HH used 7ths core rules but as it turns out a lot of 7th's rules aren't as bad with no Xenos.
The issue is that if you tried to make the game like HH...

>>95966677
>>95966708
>>95966716
All of these people are secondaries with nostalgia for an era of gaming they weren't actually there for.

>>95966860
No dumbass. That's a brainlet argument from someone who can't understand game design or hasn't even given any thought to it.

>>95966840
I dont think anyone actually likes terrain rules, they almost always get forgotten

>>95966875
The secondary is you, because anyone who was around for 4th agrees it was better than what we have now. I've been playing since 3rd edition launch set.

>>95966815
>LoS, target selection and casualty removal
>Cover saves
>AP
>AV
>Challenges
>USRs
>Facings
>Wargear
>Armylist system
>Templates/Barrage
>Drop pod assault
>FoC
>Modular stat systems instead of AoS Warscrolls
>Points instead of Power Levels
I could probably find more.

>>95966832
Ok, you're going to be a belligerent little shit, fine. People could have circled their wagons and either ran when the battle started or got overrun. There's your explanation. It really doesn't take much, stop being an unimaginative dickhead.

>>95966850
I've always said that the issues of 7th was never the core rules, but the cluster fuck of the army rules.
I say that because my group during that time just kept playing with armies very similar from our armies from 4th, so we never interacted with the wraithknight craps or the free units bullshit. to name a few examples.
So we do not have this hate for 7th as some other people do.

>>95966880
Uh huh. That’s why solar auxilia and mechcum were so endearing to play in second edition.

>>95966888
They were a little complex but they weren't too bad. I just think it's neat when your models get to interact with the table and vice-versa in cool ways.

>>95966888
I liked 3rd/4th's terrain rules. More than ruins 24/7 anyways.

>>95966894
>you're unimaginative if you can't explain why these ruins spawned in exact radial 4-way symmetry at angles that buildings would never be arranged in
No, you're unimaginative because you can't imagine an actual battle in a city despite the fact that we have literally had real world battles in cities plenty over the 20th century to draw experiences and references from. Why the fuck do you need shit in symmetrical layout?

>>95966891
Over half of this shit was never liked.

>>95966891
>no one ever understands LOS
>maybe no one bitched
>rend is better
>lmao absolutely shit
>doesn't work with tyranids or tau
>terrible and 10th has it
>terrible also causes arguments
>gone for good, thankfully
>armylist system? what about it
>termplates universally caused arguments
>drop pods are a rip off and really dont belong in the game
>Terrible, everyone always wants army restrictions gone
>wdym by modular stats
>power levels are more accurate to how people play

>>95966909
>no u
Ok, stay mad shitter

>>95966912
Not him but wrong, almost all of that was liked better than what we have now.

>>95966909
Because it's a lauout for a tournament guide? It's for randos and TOs to xopy balanced maps without having to invent them themselves when they have to set up 20 tables.

>>95966904
>>95966901
its like morale, the only people who use it are people who would've either benefited from it or would homerule it in anyways

>>95966927
>it's shit because tournaments need it to be shit
So tournament play is shit, got it. Glad we settled that.

>>95966931
ok have fun playing against a shooting army on tables with no cover

>>95966930
Isn't morale in 10th basically pointless?

>>95966936
morale has always been pointless, its a feelsbad mechanic and its why so many armies usually try to ignore it

>>95966927
Bro he's not trying to make a point, look how fast hes replying, just shitposting for (yous)

>>95966916
>wdym by modular stats
Before 10th a model had stats and weapons were modular, as in, the same weapon, be it melee or ranged, worked for any model and used the exact same profile everywhere. Now we have 6 versions of power swords depending of who wields them changing WS, S and A. It's idiotic game design copied from AoS and should die in a fire.

>>95966941
I guess if anything it was a thing you had to try to mitigate or control whereas now it's just a nothing mechanic.

>>95966930
No? Morale before 8th actually had an impact in the game so people cared about it.

>>95966946
Oh, yeah that's a terrible idea. Balance it based on the mini using it

>>95966934
Did I say no cover, retard? I said arrange the terrain in a believable manner. This was never an issue in the past, you are a newfag.

>>95966916
Bait used to be believable. This is the most nogames post I've seen today.

>>95966866
Just don't play comp then. it's really that easy. There is nothing stopping you from ignoring the tournament format.

>>95966954
no it didn't in all the games of 8th I played we used morale maybe three times and all three were in someone's first game. It gets ignored, mitigated, or abused

>>95966960
anon, anyone can write up lore for why the table has no cover.

>>95966964
He said before 8th

>>95966934
NTA but not wanting to play in L shape ruinland doesn't mean wanting to play on planet bowling ball.

>>95966974
even before 8th, it is just a feels bad mechanic

>>95966970
...what the fuck are you talking about, who said anything about lore or having no cover. Are you mentally retarded?

>>95966983
No it isn't, it's a part of war. That's like saying it's a feels bad mechanic that your guys can get shot and die. Dumb argument.

>>95966983
So is units dying I guess they should get rid of that too?

>>95966983
Couldn't be any more feels bad than your opponent getting a staggering amount of bonuses, rerolls, or whatever to guarantee whatever they hit was going to fucking die.

>>95966993
simulation isnt inherently good, unless you want to start rationing pasta points

>>95966982
This is kino, was this one of your games?

>>95967005
Like everything there's obviously a balance, you're making a stupid reductive strawman. There's a spectrum between "count every bullet and grenade" and "literally rip morale, one of the most important aspects of warfare, completely out of the game". It's not a binary 0 or 100 situation, and if you don't want any simulationism at all, you're in the wrong fucking hobby, because we literally paint detailed miniatures that have libraries of lore written about them for this game. You want total abstraction go become a master chessplayer.

>>95967027
>morale
>most important aspects of
You’re fucking retarded and need to stop treating warhammer like it’s been able to incorporate realism in it. Go play opr or grimdark universe.

>>95967044
>and need to stop treating warhammer like it’s been able to incorporate realism in it
It's had morale mechanics in every fucking edition up until 8th, and even 8th and 9th had a version of it although shittier. You are a retard.
>Go play opr or grimdark universe.
Those are even more braindead retarded games than 10th with the whole overbalance of abstraction thing.

>WYSIWYG is the only way to play
So why are you running double power claws on a unit that doesn't have rules for them, child?

>>95966692
>How can you build something wrong?
Glue to bolters on backwards on your bike.

man people can get really heated over a toy soldier tabletop game

>>95967055
In those two editions it was never good

>>95967065
You should see how heated people can get over inked cardstock on a table

>>95967065
it's what happens when the /v/ermin finally wake up

>>95967044
Why are you pretending like 40k wasn't written by guys who grew up reading WW2 stories and constantly talked about how they put certain rules into the game specifically to invoke the feel of real battles?

>>95967075
my favorite part about ww2 battles was definitely the psychic phase

>>95967065
/tg/ isn't about games it's about people who play them

>>95967080
Adding fantasy elements into it doesn't take away the parts that were modelled after real warfare. If you can't understand the difference between realism and suspension of disbelief you're probably a low IQ peasant.

>>95967095
nothing in 40k has ever achieved any resemblance to real warfare at any point in time

>>95967069
What army do U mana vermin run in 40k?

Actually, what armies for each mana type? (and guild if you want to go further)

>>95967075
40K and warhammer in general were written by people who tried following what was trendy, and the only reason why gw is so popular is because everything else that was worthwhile up’d and croaked.

>>95967104
>Wheeled and tracked vehicles go faster on roads
I accept your concession.

>>95967104
You've never played any edition but 10th, if you even play 10th, so you wouldn't know.

>>95967107
This is just blatantly false and you don't know anything about the history of 40k development.

>>95967125
Nope, you.

>>95967106
Chaos - Grixis
Necrons - Mono Black
Imperium - Esper
Tyranids - Temur

>>95967133
>>95967106
Orks - Mardu

>>95967133
Following the color philosophies Tyranids should really have Black as well but because all 3 of the other decks already had substantial amounts of it they left it out for variety's sake.

>>95964909
Summary of what killed the game:

>printing codex and unit cards meaninglessly
>making a starter set telling you that the rules had been so playtested there wouldn't need to be army books or unit cards
>putting out weird combat patrols and not keeping the old ones

If they had the good grace and diligence and honesty to do enough groundwork that enough of us could reliably play rules as written I would happily sacrifice balance for story and participate in this game.

Unfortunately 40kopers are always complicit in some underhand shit GW is doing. I actually suspect that like with model scarcity, this "meta" is part of keeping new starters churning,

As with all games with starter sets a good game should be playable with 2 boxes. Shame they don't offer more than one matchup either. Marines and Orks, Chaos and Eldar, Imperial Guard and Tyranids would go hard.

>>95964936
DBA is competitive and has had like 3 editions in 30 years. Competitiveness requires stability, and DBA is not balanced (you put your Viking army of mostly Blade against my Psiloi and Auxilia Irish army and I will struggle). Competitive means you can reliably understand that the playerbase knows the rules as written

>>95967133
>Chaos - Grixis
Specifically black-dominant
>Necrons - Mono Black
And artifact-heavy
>Imperium - Esper
Specifically white-dominant, although I think they have the most balanced mix
>Tyranids - Temur
Specifically green-dominant

>>95967151
>Chaos and Eldar
This never sells for some reason, they've tried it. The others sound great. I actually think a starter box with Imperial Guard as the good guy side would do very well but they'll never bother because of greed for marine paypig money.

>40k would be dead if people stopped buying 40k
this is some truly erudite level shit

>>95967166
I'd buy it but I know Chaos is not liked here (and probably because instead of an immersive believable pragmatic Chaos, or a ridiculous hair metal destructive because it's fun Chaos we get this weird superficial middle ground).

Eldar in general will never please Eldar players lol.

The Guard need more love. Valhallans vs Nids would be great

>>95967166
There has never been an Eldar/CSM box. Why are you making up shit

>>95967172
What do you think sells better, 50 kinds of space marine I can't find anywhere or a box of sci fi minis that can be built in one to the power of fifty ways?

>>95967180
>a box so bad he already memoryholed it

>>95967180
NTA but wut?

>>95967190
I bought this one and I was upset that they put the warpsmith on an oval base.

>>95964909
DnD 5ed is 11 years old ar this point and it's the single best selling tabletop game of all time. 3rd edition 40k and 6th whfb were wildly successful and to this day considered the peak of those games by many and they lasted 6 years.

The more things change...

>>95967187
Depends. Is the scifi mini box generic shit no one likes? Probably not. Most of 40k's success comes from the IP.

>>95967194
>somehow, Chaos returned

>>95967194
I literally forgot this existed, how was it even received? Don't play either army

>>95967175
>Valhallans vs Nids would be great
KINO match-up. If they painted the nids on that box in the old purple-and-black and gave everything snow bases I would cum gallons.

>>95967226
Now that looks good

>>95967226
What is this slop garbage

>>95967209
you mean the first time GW flirted with financial ruin? because that was back in 2007
4th edition came out in 2004 iirc and 7th edition fantasy came out in 2006 or something
every time Geedubs flirts with financial disaster it's exactly because they haven't changed shit in forever

>>95967233
Fuarking kino sovl

>>95967255
they also had a factory burning

>>95967227
For years you would find those boxes discounted on ebay. It's just such an abysmal offering especially since you could spend a little more and get a battleforce box (for chaos) or spend a little less and get a combat patrol. Add to the fact there doesn't seem to be a lot of overlap between chaos and aeldari player thats probably the reason this sold so poorly.

>>95967272
He’s not wrong. Gw was already considering the end times by the time 7th was on the horizon.

>>95967133
>>95967153

GSC- UR/ Izzet
Aeldari- Naya (Jeskai maybe?)
Drukhari- Dimir
Votann- Orzhov
Tau- Bant (G for Kroot)

>>95967133
>>95967138
Tau - Jeskai
Eldar - Abzan
Votann - Izzet

>>95967281
40k and fantasy have a huge grognard problem
grognards don't buy things, new players buy things, and GW can't get away with only selling to grognards because their overhead is insanely high compared to pen and paper games

>>95967293
>Aeldari- Naya (Jeskai maybe?)
100% Jeskai. Eldar aren't really green at all, ironically. Exodites would be, but not Craftworlds.

>>95967300
I am a 26 yr old grog and id rather buy old shit on ebay than new stuff

>>95967294
>Eldar - Abzan
Def better than Naya, didn't think about the soulstone schtuff.

I'd argue that Orzhov fits Votann better with their cutthroat capitalist fluff that we haven't got much of

>>95967304
Yeah I though Exodites then tried to work backwards from that.

>>95967255
You mean when they replaced their best editions with vastly inferior ones and doubled the cost of every model? Yeah no wonder.

Era of Ruin question According to Diocletian there are two thrones? The one usually depcited in the artworks that is fake and another which is in a secret place where the real emperor is in? or is ADB screwing our minds?

>>95967194
5 legions versus 5 rangers
Forgefiend versus bikes
Excuse me how in the fuck is that supposed to be fair.

>>95967138
I fucking hated that there was no green in Ghaz, I know he's just a renamed pre-existing card but how the fuck are Orks not Jund?

>>95967293
>GSC- UR/ Izzet
GSC are covered under Tyranids, they have cards in the nid deck, and they absolutely have a Green component.

>Drukhari- Dimir
Should really be Grixis, problem is Chaos already took that. But you can't have Drukhari without fast/haste.

>>95967340
It's not about being fair, it's about gating the new miniatures in a dual faction box

>>95967338
It's true, John Blanche was actually the guy to come up with this and has stated it multiple times in interviews. ADB is a retard, but this isn't his concept. The real Golden Throne is something incredibly hideous and horrific, not something they would show to the masses of worshippers. It's not actually Golden, and it's not actually a Throne.

when do drop pod preorders go up?

>>95967336
I'm not and never have been a fantasy player so I can't speak for whatever their problem was, but I do know fantasies most popular faction couldn't even meet the sales figures of a box of tactical marines at some point
there was nearly no difference in 3rd and 4th edition 40k though, it was basically the same, nowhere near the jump from 2nd to 3rd

Anons how do I stop sounding like a nerd? I thought I had a nice voice but it got pointed out to me that I sound pretty nerdy after a game. Which is weird because to me I sound deep.

>>95967367
lift weights

>>95967367
Smoke somewhere in the region of 40 cigarettes a day until your throat is in tatters. Please don't do this

>>95967345
Orks are primarily Red, and WAAAGH/Orky society is better represented by White than Green.

>>95967365
5th came out in 2007, that's the bad one. WHFB stopped selling after 7th required you to use twice as many models that noe costed twice as much.

>>95967367
Just embrace the nerd, you're a grown ass man moving around silly plastic space men for hours at a time. There's no need to try to appear cooler. Just don't freaking stink.

>>95967408

1. Orkoid biology is extremely green-coded with their beasts of war and fungus
2. FUCK YOU ORKS ARE GREEN AND GREEN IS BEST

>>95967367
You sound like a nerd because of the words you use, not their pitch.

>>95967226
Genuinely how the fuck hasn't GW copyrighted this shit? Are they too busy sending cease and desists to fanworks?

>>95967300
well yeah thats why they expand ranges, even if every marine rank with every armor type had a model from the scouts all the way to chapter master in terminator armor, they'd still invent new stuff

even with historical games they do stuff like this, they purposefully don't give rules or models to everything at first

>>95967338
Yeah its a very old lore point, just like the naked custodes.

It also explains why so many people think they've seen the emperor

>>95967226
Here's your skaven in 40k bro

>>95967442
Fungus is black as often as it is green
>>95967346
Drukhari can use Flash from Blue or Green instead of Haste from Red since appearing suddenly from the Webway is their specialty. Raid also appears in Black sometimes.

>>95967490
I want an official Hrud army for 40k, I'm highly scheptical of it even happening though

>>95967503
aside from being a fiarly niche xenos, what do they bring to the tabletop?

>>95967490
You know, I always wondered if there was a market for a third-party knockoffs selling the full equivalent of a 2000 point Army in a single box for a couple hundred dollars in any given Edition and seeing if people would bite. Or like making their own battle boxes between two factions with their own cool conflict lore and campaign idea.

>>95967509
Entropy, temporal fuckery and obfuscation on an as of yet unforseen level.

>>95967524
And how would that even be represented on a tabletop game mechanic level? Because if you say dice roll manipulation, I'm going to fucking hit you through the screen.

>>95967524
>Entropy, temporal fuckery and obfuscation on an as of yet unforseen level.

... Thousand Sons/Tszeench?

>>95967535
>dice roll manipulation

>>95967535
Debuffs To Hit/Wound and Rerolls, of course!

>>95967524
and how do you do that on tabletop?

>>95967535
This raises a good point though: Without even talking about fluff or lore options, what mechanical areas or niches could a new faction fill that hasn't already been occupied or explored by an existing faction?

>>95967573
The robot phase
yup, the robot phass

>>95967524
Army wide Lone-Op, Stealth, Scout, Uppy-Downy, 5++, and forcing enemies to reroll 6s of course.

>>95967367
you could always become a femboy
https://voca.ro/1gnEarMXHhPi

What do you guys do with the maneuverable dread pieces? Aside from letting the arms stretch out a bit, i’m keeping mine glued down including the coffin once the interior is painted.

>>95967573
Tsons have the whole everyone who's above a sergeant is a psyker, you could do that with another character archetype

actually, reducing movement isnt common on tabletop

Setting up a base that acts as a model isn't done iirc, so you have a tau sniper drone and you actually put the drone to shoot with

switching stats around, like when this model shoots it uses the worse value of it and the target

bad mechanics we could implement would be yugioh style targeting and non targeting for effects, negations, and states beyond death for a model/unit

>>95967590
Ah, yes.
The robot phase.
The robot phase in which Tau roboticists make in order to cast various robots.
The robot phase in which AdMech robonetica priests pray to deny the machine spirit.
The robot phase in which Votann make perils of the robot tests or suffer mortal wounds.
The robot phase in which Necrons pass robotics tests for free without risking perils of the droid due to their superior robotistry.
That robot phase.

>>95967634
Yup! That one!

>>95967544
tzeentch is too calculating

Friends, countrymen, do we have a scan of the Emperor's Children codex?

Man i love recasters.
If Games Workshop is going to discontinue a miniature I want I'll just find someone else to sell it to me.
You know what? Everyone should post links to their favourite recaster that has Games Workshop products.
That way we can all get miniatures.

>lgs starts up a "crusade"
>no upgrade tables
>no level up mechanics
>no narrative components
>allows named characters
>everyone is sweating and WAACING treating it like a slow tournament

I just wanted to level up MyDudes. Instead I spend 6 weeks getting my shit pushed in by WAAC shit. There's literally no reward for "winning"

>>95967719
If this really happened either start an actual narrative campaign or get a new LGS. My LGS game store set toughness limits the get raised as the campaign goes on and we start at 500 points so its screeching to be players and old ones. This was for Nachmund and we are going to do the same thing for Armageddon

>>95967459
They don't need to because it's such obviously low quality garbage no one buys it.

>>95967755
>welcoming to new players
Sorry, at work and phone posting.

>>95967719
shit campaign design by LGS, tell it to owner and let him improve.

Here is narrative solution. Each unit lost or damaged stays lost and damaged. Only battle line units can be replaced fast. Each 5 games, the more expensive a unit is the longer until never it can be replaced once lost or damaged.


There I fixed it. Why didn't you?

>>95967631
>actually, reducing movement isnt common on tabletop
Cuz it's extremely unfun for the player on the receiving end, having an entire army do that shit to you sounds like a nightmare.

>>95967778
>Each 5 games, the more expensive a unit is the longer until never it can be replaced once lost or damaged.
This isn't even in understandable english bro.

>>95967779
bullshit with that kind of attitude you can start arguing that loosing is not fun when your on the receiving end. WTF anon. You have not even made argument. Stupid acting cant be rewarded no matter how bad it is. you get your self in situation that is bad you deserve the consequence's that follow. You learn from it and get better or just simply stupid and should accept that fact.

>>95967778
I don't like systems like this because they encourage meta gaming and hiding your good stuff, and it can create weird issues where people don't have the collection size to replace their leman russ with 160 guardsmen bodies. Toys is one of those things that really just plays out badly for everyone except that one guy that takes an army that's nothing but 300 Hormegaunts who stat checks all the newbie players. Let Mordheim stay in Mordheim.

>>95966083
I ACCEPT YOUR CONCESSION

>>95967794
Can you stop being ESL as fuck?

No dude, you're a clueless retard, there are certain game mechanics that are significantly less fun than others. Taking away a players MAIN form of agency in the entire game, ie, moving their models around, is fucking trash.

>>95967790
Each 5 games in your campaign you can replace and replenish your lost units. the more expensive and elite your unit is the longer it takes to be replaced or even make Impossible to replace certain units.

Each 5 games you can replace/replenish your battle line units.
Each 10 gamey you can replace one elite
Each 20 games you can get new officers/leaders/character units
some rare units cant be replaced at all or replenished in a campaign scale.

>>95967796
get meta fuckt or get the units you need for replenishment, you cant have both.

Tried the Hard Arizona Green Tea this shit is terrible.

>>95967816
You see you are and idiot and you should have stopped and stfu, but you dont.

You are incapable of improvement, you reached your mental limit. Why should you be rewarded with a participation award? Because you can breath on your own?

I fucking hate 6" deepstrike so fucking much. I hate that its my local meta too and every cunt has lists that revolve around it.

>>95967858
Bro the entire "have to be 9" away to Deep Strike" shit didn't even exist until 8th edition and is mega cringe. Stop being a pussy.

>>95967858
Would you like it better if all their 6" inch deepstrikers were gooner minis?

>>95967719
This happened at my lgs too lmao it was lame.

>>95967867
There were also mishaps and scattering when the game was good so shut the fuck up.

>>95967858
6 inch deep strike is fine as long as you can't charge from it

>>95967796
and slow who said it has to be the same turn based replanishment constrainf or all armies to be the same?

Guard army can replace a lemun russ in no time, they are as prevalent as are las guns and so are bombast canons and so on, a banblade or vanquisher leman russ re different story.

Tyrranids grow there units in bulk so they could rid eon carnifexes all day long as are termagants but norns, lictors and so on could take more time.

find narrative ways to constrain people, have longer campaign bring in strategy in a tactical game that is usually just meta torment's shit. the main goal of crusade and any kind of campaign is to have strategic layer.

What bugs me about crusade and the one shit shoe fits all is that why is my intercessor squad that is 10 marines that are minimum 150 years old, have been in countless battles and wars starting with no battle honors. They are already battle harden veterans that went throu hell as scouts and have bested enemys in all sizes. As would some fucking guard squad or freshly born termagant's or soulless necron skeletons?
Some goes for legionnaires of chaos with millennia worth of combat experience. The rules should be rather start with 200 points of battle honors for them and prevent them getting combat ineffektive by getting to many battle scars.

The whole crusade setup is utter shit and the designer of it is a idiot.

>>95967832
Try the Arnold palmer, I don't really enjoy any of their green teas but was drinking at least two of these a day while I was in the trades

>>95967611
I left the cockpit movable, but everything else I glued down

>>95967871
yeah , many hollerius but also sad moments happend. your termis manifesting in some walls and being dead, but also thats why we had drop pods and other tools. Riks vs reward. Not that cringe bullshit of now. I mean its like with eldar and there dice of fate. Why even roll dice at this point.

reminds me off this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvcKyq1onBg

it added a certain layer of gruesome danger.

I'm gonna pull the trigger on helbrecht and some other stuff, how cooked am I?

>>95968085
Won't know until the codex comes out but you're probably not going to have everything ready until 11th edition anyway so it hardly matters.

>>95967971
Anyone else think it's really odd that the Craftworlds and Harlequins are bigger risk takers in battle in the lore than the Drukhari who only really bet on a sure thing?

>>95968125
>Craftworlds
Have to take big risks out of desperation, and use psychic foresight to stack the odds in their favor.
>Harlequins
Have a literal God of Silly Clown Luck on their side.
>Dark Eldar
Do not have psychic divination, and do not survive very long in their cutthroat backstabbing society very long if they aren't careful.

>>95967361
>>95967472

Wow, I hope they keep develop this, I didn't know. Thanks.

>>95967719
Happens everytime.
Took less than an hour before participants were talking about what was needed to minmax their army until it was just Death Star vs Death Star.
No experimention.
No risks.
No actual stratagy.
Just building to play the exact same list they play every week.

>>95968186
The Tournamentization of 40k and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>>95967719
My LGS has a "crusade" that lets you level up units but all the games are just using play decks, you start with a 2000 point list and are never allowed to change your detachment rule. The only reason they even have the leveling system is to try and min/max their epic hero deathstars. Shit is so fucking gay.

>>95967104
Post models

>>95966764
I cannot believe new kids are this defensive and retarded.

did i miss bob ross and his collage

>>95965403
Definitely. I maintain that an artist needs to be unhinged to a certain degree for their art to be good.

Walk into your local LGS and see me as your opponent, wat do?

There's something inside you
It's hard to explain
They're talking about you, boy
But you're still the same

>>95968323
Say nice models

>>95968331
Wow man thanks, what army do you
Play?

>>95968323
Barf

Wow I just thought of my paint idea for my Cerastus Lancer, I am going to go White and Gold and make him a Blood Angel but a heavenly one. Wow it just hit me and I am psyched

>>95968323
>furry knights
Yeah I dunno man I might suddenly be too busy to play a game with you

>>95968323
Fyre slayer anon!

>>95968323
React the same way I reacted to when I saw that I share an LGS with one of our modelposters. Not gonna say who.
I just notice and inside I'm like: "holy shit it is him." But on the outside I mind my own business.

>>95968385
Wow so a functional member of society, thats weird.

>>95968371
Ive never played AoS and probably never will

>>95968407
Your minis are tailored for fyre slayers.

>>95968323
I show the store owner your vehicles with the nazi decals and get you blacklisted

>>95968451
Dude don’t start, you know I put them on there as a joke because Space Marines are legitimately Nazi and I have not put any since.

>>95968367
Give it gigantic angel wings too, and nipples

Lorelet here - Why do heretics and traitor legions want to kill the GE? Won't that stop them from using warp travel?

>>95968468
Nipples are a bit sexual for a heavenly theme

>>95968478
The forces of chaos don’t necessarily need the Astronomicon. Their gods or sufficiently powerful bound daemons can navigate just fine. The Golden Throne is also basically a stopper plugged into a second eye of terror so destroying it would probably cause reality to completely fray and allow infinite weirdness. Emps doesn’t actually power the Astronomicon, he just keeps his failed webway project from going totally bonkers.

>>95968493
Man, now I want the golden corpse to finally die.

>>95967953
Oh yeah the Arnold Palmer is the goat. Most of their normal teas (and some of their carbonated ones) are great, I was just trying the alcoholic version.

Halfway through it and it's tasting better though.

>>95968323
I leave

>>95968385
Was that modelposter playing into Blood Ravens + a proxy Canis Rex

>>95968506
Why? Don’t you wanna have fun?

>>95968500
13th edition, trust the plan.

>>95968456
giant fucking retard

>haven't played since 6th edition with my shitty no assault ramp khorne berzerker army that was barely held together in casual games by a baledrake
>randomly get suggested a 40k video
>flashbanged by nostalgia, sent straight back to 2013
>the insidious itch begins

but i don't think i can do it. i know modern GW must have cooked my boys.

>>95968513
Nope. A different one.
Not gonna say anything more.

>>95968519
Oh ok thanks, wtf?

>>95968516
Not with you.

>>95968516
You shoving your grease-covered phone in people's faces waiting for them to react to shitty /r/horusgalaxy memes you found isn't fun for anybody

>>95967719
Welcome to the real world.
Armchair fags always have this grand idea that others want to play same little sandbox game but then show up and see that other "casuals" want to win same as any other. It happens even in boardgames with normies where everyone goes crazy to minmax their monopoly board.
Crusade is a failed concept because nobody gives a fuck about your narrative d&d experience in a real world. I know it's easier to lash out at imaginary "WAACs" though lmao

>>95968478
they all have their own reasons but a lot of it is just butthurt for perceived betrayal or getting mentally corrupted by chaos.

For cabal of chaos I'd rather have shooty legionaires over melee ones unless i give them master of possessions?

>>95968540
Umm Horus galaxy has been deleted by reddit so no

Are there any YouTubers that go over chaos space marines exclusively

Who would win in a straight 1v1, the Sanguinor or a Void Dragon Shard?

How do I deal with the custodes grav tank with orks? I like using walkers in dread mob, but it devastates my vehicles from gorkanauts to killa kans. It can also position nicely because of being able to fly so it typically gets first shot and with lions it can fall back from melee and shoot anyways. Is it just to start running tankbustas and try and take it out with infantry?

>>95968451
Someone should make a collage of all the dogwhistles that he's put on his models
>>95968456
>teehee just kidding
You've said in the past that there aren't nazi decals, then you said you put them on your models to offend redditors, then you said that it shouldn't matter that they're nazi decals because history isn't offensive, then you went back to pretending there were no nazi decals and said they were just coincidental. And now you're saying that they are nazi decals, but that it was a funny joke about space marines
So which is it

>>95968504
Oh I hate their alcoholic stuff. If you want something similar the Mike's Hard half and half go pretty crazy

>>95968676
No one cares this much about the number 88

>>95968580
seems to be mostly legion specific autists so depends what interests you

this is how a phobos incursor compares to a classic guard and the space marines from the video game

>>95968580
Brent has a video on them
https://youtu.be/N5wo2o9VlRY?si=dYtf8zW6aRIEIk3X

>>95968724
I'll never watch this freak

>>95968693
If it was just the 88 it might have flown under the radar, but your dumb ass put double lightning bolts, 350, and a bunch of other ones I can't care to remember

Cooked something like this for the new detachment, obliterators exchangeable with vashtorr, and while likely better i kinda wanted to avoid him. I'm aware that the knight is likely not that good but I kinda just want to have one. Melee legionaires with sorcerer in rhino, ranged legionaires with warpsmith screening for forgefiends behind them. MoP with possessed, DP to give aoe smoke, cultists doing cultist things. Feel like it gives me option to alternatively pivot later into Soulforged Warpack or Creations of Bile

>>95968730
He makes painting videos, they aren't really made for nomodels

>>95968762
>getting this defensive
buy an ad next time lmao

>>95968737
Oh come on I have already disavowed Nazi stuff now you are just hating for no reason

>>95968767
Seethe more wokeslopper, kneel to the king

>>95968713
There HAS to be a iron warrior autist somewhere on youtube for 40k

>>95968737
Btw it was 305 for Miami not 350

>>95968737
>350
What's that one?

>>95968801
Well this says 350 which is the number of doctors accused of committing warcrimes during the first Nuremberg trials

>>95968819
Oh you must the trolling now, i dunno what roman numerals even represent

>>95968801
33 was the year Hitler became grand chancellor of germany

>>95968830
Lmao you prick you know I didnt know that

>>95968570
I kneel before the destinyfag

>>95968819
What does the skull represent?

>>95968801
>othala rune
The Othala rune, also known as Odal or Ōthalan, is a symbol from the Elder Futhark runic alphabet. It represents the "o" sound and is associated with concepts of heritage, inheritance, and ancestral property. Due to its association with Nazi Germany, where it was used by certain Waffen SS divisions, it is now considered a hate symbol by some organizations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).

>>95968858
Bologna

>>95968856
Reference to totenkopf most likely

Notice I stopped putting any numbers on my other models due to this nonsense

>>95968830
>>95968858
>>95968860
it is not healthy to fixate on nazis this much

>>95968801
>Btw it was 305
Not any better

Hear me out, some people here? probably not mentally healthy.

>>95968862
Maybe you shouldn't have admitted that they were intentionally placed dogwhistles if you didn't want people to notice them
also
>>95968862
>>95968866
61 seconds apart

>>95968883
its probably not healthy to fixate over the time between all the posts in a doll crayoning general either

>>95968788
isn't this the dude who made several longform videos about how much he loves trannies and also tried to beta orbit a tranny who threw him under the bus and ratted him out for breaking a GW NDA?

>>95968456
>erm don't like my funny joke about space marines being nazis?
>>95968862
>erm this is nonsense you can't accuse me of being a nazi
Pick one

>decalfag nazi meltdown
>sudden posts about trannies
Fridgeposter finna nuke your shit from orbit

>>95968858
>ADL
Nobody cares what those retards have to say lmao

>>95968909
Fridge is going to be on pretty soon with the poll ;-;

>>95968909
I don't post my models in this thread, nor do I give a flying fuck about the fridge
I also don't really give a fuck if decalsloppa is or is not a nazi, I just think he needs to put more effort into his painting and stop putting so many ugly ass decals on his shit
and also that he's an autistic retard who doesn't know when to stop posting

Wait is some schizo trying to say the decals that actually COME IN the warhammer boxes are nazi dogwhistles? Lmfao, all this time I thought this was about some neo-nazi like freehanding swastikas on his shit, you people are clowns

>>95968919
You don't have any models, you don't have to care about the fridge

>>95968919
This precisely.

>>95968921
Yeah sure and you already mentioned you did it on purpose and took decals and intentionally sat them next to each other to make a ebin nazi joke. Also nobody has ever thought you freehanded anything don't even try that bit lmfao

>>95968921
I was hoping for SS themed orcs

>>95968936
just play white scars, they're literally white power rangers covered in lightning bolts

>>95968934
>you
I'm not the decalfag I'm just laughing at the schizophrenia that you guys are seeing nordic runes on SPACE WOLF models and going AAAAH NAZI SYMBOL ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH ORGANIZATION THAT DEFENDED A CHILD RAPIST, kek.

Please continue this is entertainment.

>>95968933
>I swear I don't care
Remember all those times you photoshopped yourself on the fridge you were so desperate kek. Or all those times you begged to have your ban shortened?

>>95968946
The fact that you guys are such retards who can't parse typing styles that you mix up and accuse everyone single poster of being the decalfag is hilarious.

>>95968942
Noones buying it decalmutt, just take the L before you work yourself up and start crying that everyones picking on you like you usually do

>>95968952
Everyone here is severely autistic

>>95968954
So is this post decalfag replying to himself to cause drama?

>>95968952
You seem to think that you're good at falseflagging for some reason, but the fact that you always throw a tantrum when someone calls it out and then spend 50+ posts calling everyone kooky crazy and that you swear you're totally not the decalmutt

>>95968960
He's admitted to it in the past so it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility

>>95968893
Really? Which tranny, what NDA did he break?

>>95968965
Honestly it's fine with me if you're going to pin all of my posts on the decalfag because I don't give a shit about this autistic fridge meme, but I want you to consider for a second how this looks to me, who is actually not decalfag, laughing my ass off at the twitchy paranoid fingerpointing.

>>95968976
The nda thing was miniac. He's getting his painting sloptubers mixed up because he's a tourist who just reads reddit thread titles

>>95968965
You're not even using the term falseflagging correctly.

>>95968977
>I don't give a shit about this autistic fridge meme
I already told you, you never needed to give a shit about the fridge because you have no models

>>95968983
No you said that to another guy who is not me and probably also not the decalfag either, since I can tell the latter's typing style quite easily.

decals and nazis aside trannies are probably the most vile kind of person on the planet, slightly worse than indians even
Wahammer 40k(000)

>>95968984
>lol you're kooky crazy its not meeee
Does your script pop up in your phones auto fill suggestion yet?

>>95968988
What kind of a script? I'm kind of a boomer so I don't know shit about coding or what you're getting at.

Okay what numbers are not associated with nazis somehow?

just because people seem to not understand ITT, a wokeslopper is someone who makes content that baits those who hate woke to farm ad revenue.

FEMALE SPACE MARINES REVEALED: GW MAKES CUSTODES SPACE MARINE CHAPTER DEI with the AI generated thumbnail is an example of wokeslop.

>>95968998
time to get off reddit and touch grass dude

>>95968997
Who cares, Nazis are based, just do your thing

CAN WE JUST MAKE A NEW THREAD SO I CAN ASK MY POINTLESS QUESTIONS IN A THREAD THAT ISNT A CESS PIT

We frigpostan, we frenspostan

>>95968986
>>95968801
>>95968456

And you're done. Sorry, tried to help you, but you did this to yourself

New

>>95969017

>>95969017

>>95969017

>>95969025
Why are we throoding so early

>>95969043
>over 500 posts and page 8
Not that early for these generals desu

>>95964861 (OP)
Wouldn't Gachi characters be Rainbow Warriors?

>>95968858
I’d give that one the benefit of the doubt, since you can’t really use Norse runes without running into Nazi symbols due to neopagan/occult influences in German ultranationalism. Though you can argue that the choice of Space Wolves might itself be a link due to those influences, Adolf meaning “noble wolf”, Hitler naming his Eastern Front HQ the Wolf’s Lair, or Operation Werwolf being a plan to create partisan cells to wage guerrilla warfare in occupied Germany towards the end of the war.

>>95966790
Literally what? I started in 5th and it was drilled into your head that wysiwyg was expected at tourneys and at casual no one cared what your model had as long as you made them aware, unless they were an asshole.

Is this some zoomer take where Warhammer didn't exist before 2016? Or is this some turbo gaslight?

>>95968858
>some organizations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).

Oh, you mean the organization that was founded to defend a jewish man accused of raping and murding a 12 year old girl?
The organization that argued that the only other suspect, a black man (who was cleared by police) was the actual murderous because he had large "nigger nostrils" that were "probably used to snort cocaine!".
The same organisation that then convinced the state governor to stay the pedos execution after he was found guilty and then got him a posthumous pardon after the pedo was lynched?

That organization?

>>95968858
>Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
Those loony political motivated nutjobs? They do enough defamation to remove the "anti" from their names.