Is it true, /tg/?
Will there always only be war?

>>95968670 (OP)
Not if you kill enough humans.

>>95968679
Maybe just 13% of them

>>95968670 (OP)
>Is it true, /tg/?
>Will there always only be war?

Resources will technically become "functionally infinite" once we get to space, but otherwise that statement is completely true. Tribal conflict will continue to be a permanent fixture to human history unless/until the nature of men changes.

It will only end in all our deaths or speciation.

>>95968670 (OP)
Yes. As long as two people exist, someone is going to want someone's shit slapped.

>>95968750
Oil is functionally infinite (only thing there is more of is salt water) and it's being made perpetually as long as plankton and such keeps being made and dying.

One of the biggest cons in human history was to convince people it had any kind of rarity.

Mine asteroids/other space materials, perfect 3d printing, and don't outgrow the availability of said space resources. Problem solved.

>>95968670 (OP)
no. people are just retards

>>95968880
>Oil is functionally infinite

Oil is bottlenecked by geographical availability, the technology available of our time, and the cost of extraction.
We weren't technically running out of oil when the "peak oil crisis" hit, we were running out of ways to extract oil in a cost effective manner that allowed normal chicken-nugget consumers to own 3 cars and drive everywhere. The only thing that changed or prevented that was technological innovation. The best example I can think of is oil production in Canada: liquid oil extraction has seen basically zero increases in production since the 70's, but oil sands/oil shale and natural gas production has effectively doubled every 10 years.
The people who were farting and pissing about us running out of oil weren't necessarily wrong; we were only spared that inconvenience by the fact we found *more*, *different*, sources of fossil fuel were discovered and capitalized on. The brief scarcity though has changed the market in other ways: 45% of America's corn is turned into ethanol to prop up their domestic fuel supplies and we don't throw away natural gas anymore.

A much simpler, similar, event happened in late-medieval Europe, just before the colonial arc: they had effectively "run out" of easy-to-access surface level deposits of ore and countries were now spending more and more charcoal/coal, water, and men, to dig up deeper ore in harder rock, with limited technology.

>and it's being made perpetually as long as plankton and such keeps being made and dying.

Not at a rate to match industrial or consumer production it doesn't, nor in a quantity enough to justify opening up abandoned/orphaned wells.
What you're talking about is the bracket of some unwashed Indonesian man operating a hand-cranked well, dredging up muddy brown oil, and loading it up into the back of a truck.

>>95968905
Even Star Trek hasn't solved all of its resource problems, creating bottlenecks. And the easier we make exploiting resources, the faster we start burning through them, requiring us to expend more and more resources into acquiring resources. It's not just about getting resources, but also denying them to your enemy for the power it grants you. There's plenty of oil in the Americas, but US still goes to other continents to get it, because it gives the control over it.

>>95968670 (OP)
a war has sides and is tribal.
but if the entire world becomes an arena. where everyone tries to kill everyone.

>>95968670 (OP)
Yes and no.
The problem with world peace is what would you call world peace.

The fairy tale of everyone being like family and the world is like those toddler show and all? Or like just no active hot wars and it more like a big cold war and using espionage and all that cloak and dagger shit.

Yes, we are mostly there now, the only place where hot wars are still a big thing are 3rd world war zones like the middle east and Africa. Now that might not always be the case, look at Russia invading Ukraine. However most wars are going to economic and culture wars over bombs and bullets. This is why the west is falling at the moment. The fucking bleeding hearts and letting the Trojan horses in their gates and saying the fires and raping is fine and is the cost of living in a big city even though that wasn't a thing till after they let them in. Also it doesn't help that they won't punish those people raping and robbing the natives cause they're from a different culture and don't understand "rape, stealing and murder is bad."

>>95969413
I really don't understand how we got to the point where we're bending over for the minorities. Look at countries like China, there the minority fears the majority population who keeps the boot firmly on the necks.
Why did we stop doing that? Who thought that white guilt was a good foundation for a government?

Even if we had infinite resources humans would still fight. Some of the most violent men in history were so rich they might as well have had unlimited wealth.

>>95968670 (OP)
The second sentence in that pic is probably true, but the first sentence doesn't logically follow from that.

>>95968670 (OP)

Human beings are and always will be nonrational, nepotistic social animals, not utility-maximizing economic individualists. And there will be cycles of geopolitical conflict as long as no world empire monopolizes global power.

>>95968670 (OP)
We can't have perpetual growth on a finite planet

>>95969620

Of course not, that's why we should disassemble the solar system and turn it into a Dyson Sphere. We could have a population of 10^20, or 10 billion times our current population of a bit under 10 billion. 100 quintillion people, none lacking in elbow room or comfortable amounts of food and other resources. You could go a lot higher if you wanted to and that’s without even embracing certain options like Transhumanism to go around in a more efficient cyborg body or upload your mind to a computer.

>>95969620
>finite planet
Make planet the big planet.

>>95968670 (OP)
War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be.

>>95968750
This depends on the rate of consumption and rate of procurement or whatever the proper business word for that is. We'll get lazy and inefficient, or start to spread thin and wide for the sake of progress and resources will be bottlenecked by time despite being infinite.

My pet theory about proper infinite physical resources is that we'd start warring over the remaining ones: cultural and religious capital will be the new things to covet our neighbor's cow over and we'll start wars over country B continously breaking country A's patent on teaching large scale populations to become talented artists efficiently, or something equally stupid

Radical thought: We already live in a post-scarcity civilization or close to it. How many of you need a private jet?

>>95969638
Man, Blame! was kino

>>95968679
>>95968747
ChanFags & Redditors would be a great start in the elimination process. Problem is, there's not a billion of them combined, so the 13% quota won't be reached.

>>95969457
US ideals of universal freedom conflicted with the trans-Atlantic slave trade and resulted in an industry of fighting racism. Cultural and economic dominance exported this to the rest of the world, particularly their cultural neighbours. Every victory meant this industry had to set new targets or die off. This scope creep is most obvious in the way it considers "Muslim" to be a race.

>>95970046
Just nuke every nation's capital and next three most populous cities.

>>95970046
name one war started by 4chan or reddit

>>95969457
It's less of white guilt and more of suicide empathy. You got WOKE white women being tricked into thinking if they let everyone in they can be that hero of the minorities and not like the "evil white colonizer" she was told. This moral has a been hijack by people who using it to line their pockets and gain power and it's been killing the west.

>>95968747
I think Israel has a smaller population percentile than that anon.

>>95968670 (OP)
What game; what system?

>/tg/ - Sophomoric Philosophy & Calls for Genocide

>>95969457
A Satanic alliance between communists who want to destroy society so they can seize control and big business cartels who want to import dumber, cheaper serfs who are easier to control and demand less.

>>95970220
4chan vs tumblr
Oh wait

>>95968670 (OP)
we have enough for everybody, some people are just greedy

>>95968763
You almost had the line right

>>95968670 (OP)
Sir, this is a Wendy's.

>>95970295
or
>/tg/ - Hassanabi Fanclub

>>95968670 (OP)
I make it a point to never trust someone who tries to convince me of the inherent or inevitable nature of man's violence, not because I don't believe we don't have some absolutely monstrous urges or that we have total control over them; but because these same people always are the ones asking or telling us to engage in it on their behalf.

>>95968670 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>95968880
Room temp iq. As normal for /tg/

>>95968750
>>95968905
I think the idea that space will ever feasibly be a good source of resources is completely retarded. Even if there was a giant asteroid made out of solid goal, the massive expense of going out and getting it would be a complete waste of resources.
If we ever get the technology to make the logistical issue of collecting those resources a non-issue, we're probably already so beyond post-scarcity that it's a moot innovation.
Space mining is fundamentally retarded, and it will never be a real thing because it will never be worth the massive cost.

>>95968670 (OP)
Fighting over scarce physical resources was never the only or even primary source of conflict between people. Neither were tribalism or religion or sex or any of the other stuff that people like to claim we could "solve" to make humans peaceful. People will always fight because of the desire to be at the top of the social hierarchy. To dominate others. To punish and control - or just to avoid having those things done to them by others. No matter how many people there or how prosperous their society, there's only ever going one seat at the very top. People will always fight over wanting to sit as close to the top as they can or wanting to prevent someone else from getting above them. You don't need to worry about lack of conflict in "post-scarcity" settings because conflict over hierarchy and authority is always plausible. Also the whole concept of "post-scarcity" was invented as trick to get little people to accept being dominated by people and institutions that promise to bring it about.

>>95968670 (OP)
But resources aren't limited, when human population stabilises at 10 billion we'll just recycle everything because that will be cheaper than digging up old shit from the ground. Demand for concrete and oil will eventually taper as people have existing consumer goods, we will switch from planned obsolescence to recycling

no amount of technological innovation or recycling capabilities will ever allow resources to overcome Man's Desire.

>>95968670 (OP)
When humans stop being humans it will probably stop

>>95968670 (OP)
Only? No. But there will always be war. Groups which do not acknowledge this will cease to exist. We are seeing this occur today. High-minded idealism on the subject of group survival is suicidal, and only guarantees that those ideals do not persist into the future, as they are crowded out by more practical ideas.

>>95972469
Large and dispirate populations without central governance are known for serindipidously controlling their own reproduction to conveniently align with the exact uniform levels of consumption needed to avoid shortfall.

>>95969457
Invalidating someone's existence through popular vote is repulsive collectivist dogshit.

>>95969046
ghandi never said that when he nuked my city

>>95968670 (OP)
Yes, as long as man exists. I like how All Tomorrows did it - they realized human nature would lead to the death of the species, so a bunch of humans created Homo Superior, a new species of man without infighting. In order to ensure the success of Homo Superior, they killed all of baseline humanity in one final war and then themselves, leaving a clean slate for Homo Superior. And it worked, until the Qu.

>>95974251
As opposed to invalidating someone's existence without a vote? By bureaucratic fiat, or for invented principles that will never be applied reciprocally when the shoe is on the other foot?

I am starting to think that "collectivist" is just a thought-terminating buzzword. I notice that it is only ever applied meaningfully in one direction.

>>95968750
We are already in space. When do the resources start appearing?

>>95969413
>>95969457
>The west is falling!
>It's because of the BLEEDING HEARTS too!
I wouldn't throw stones like that when you guys are blocking every single technological advancement you can.
We are severely late to the game in stem cells, in organ printing, and have barely even begun human genetic engineering.
And it's not getting better, research funding has been repeatedly slashed.

>>95974399
When infrastructure is made for that purpose.
It'll have to be a government expense, as private industry doesn't build infrastructure.

>>95969999
>My pet theory about proper infinite physical resources is that we'd start warring over the remaining ones:

Anon you're quoting; I think it'll be over airable land.
For as much raw material, ice water, fuel, and physical space, as there is in space, there's really only one place in our solar system (at the foreseeable future) where food literally just grows out of the ground and it's *Earth. Biology has also always been our weakest field of study, I wouldn't be surprised we plateau on food production long before access to other resources becomes a problem.

*Granted, who knows what material and soil science will look like in 2300 AD. There might be people growing crops to scale on Mars and Mercury - Europa might be converted into a planet-wide fishery. Who knows.

What the fuck does this thread have to do with traditional games?

>>95975915
Most traditional games are wargames anon. This is a discussion about the possible reasons behind such wars. Not everyone just plays Settlers of Catan, you know?

>>95968670 (OP)
Understanding war through the lens of limited resources will produce wildly inaccurate, bad modeling of most wars since WW2.

Vietnam? Afghanistan? Ukraine? Iran-Israel? ISIS? Gaza?

Modern war is much more driven by the security dilemma (e.g. Iran seeking nukes makes Iran more secure but Israel less secure), expansionist ideologies (communism, Islamism, liberalism, etc), and prestige/nationalism.

If wars nowadays were mostly about resources, Venezuela and/or Saudi Arabia's decrepit militaries would have fallen to an outside invader trying to secure that sweet, sweet oil.

>>95969999
Land
Yes there is theoretically infinite landmass however 99.999999% of it is shitty and nobody wants to live there even if resources were invested to make it livable. Short of magic land worth a damn will always be scarce, everyone will always covet the penthouse view of downtown or the suburbs in peace and quiet and covet more not sharing it with people they don't give a fuck about. The arcology block is acceptable but even then there's going to be choice apartments closest to the commercial floors so i can buy my morning breakfast quicker and easier.

>>95968670 (OP)
Human conflict doesn't end at the tribal level. Sometimes the sides are too subtle to perceive directly.

>>95969457
>oppression is le based actually
You know you can treat people like actual humans without bending over backwards and engaging in self-loathing cuckoldry right? State terror and concentration camps aren't the answer.

>>95972094
I mean same thing.

>>95976695
Multiethnic states tend to be oppressive states, where one group is the ruling caste. The exceptions are the states where ethnic differences have been reduced to different dress and cuisine, and there is really is uniformity instead of multiculture or multiethnicity. Praised by the types who think multicultural means ethnic restaurants but nothing else, no difference in spiritual, political views, or values overall.

>>95976922
>The exceptions are the states where ethnic differences have been reduced to different dress and cuisine, and there is really is uniformity instead of multiculture or multiethnicity
It also does not work. Look at Yugoslavia.

>>95976695
>not giving ethnic minorities and minority ethno-religions special privileges is oppression

>>95977042
Yes, not if they're white tho

>>95974461
And then people will define boarders in space and the limited resources will start again.

>>95975915
Arguing about pointless nonsense is the most traditional game.

>>95977042
>>not giving ethnic minorities and minority ethno-religions special privileges is oppression

>>95969457
>Look at countries like China, there the minority fears the majority population who keeps the boot firmly on the necks.

I don't get why you guys do this. We can all scroll slightly up. Just go full mask off, who cares? Afraid of getting banned?

>>95969046
Even with replicators they still need energy for it. I've always wanted them to expand upon how they handle resource allocation because it's one of the more interesting aspects of the series.

After all, even though people get energy credits they still do stuff like barter and farm and make stuff by hand so I assume you can save up your credits (as using replicators and teleporters have specific credit costs) so really you're only use replicators when your living the true bum life or when you need some kind of resource or equipment to do what you do anyways. At least that's how I see it.

>>95979149
I think the issue is that it's impossible to trust The Others. They aren't Us. They oppressed Us in the past, and we oppressed Them for a bit too. If we decide to be more moral now, what's to stop them from going for a reprisal? The safest option is to get rid of all The Others, that way they can't get Us (they want to, and we know it because some of them say it where We can hear it!). What's the other option, an uncomfortable Mexican standoff.... forever? Infinite risk forever? That doesn't sound great. If We deal with The Others now while we have the advantage we won't get stuck in that uncomfortable position. We don't even have to reduce them to the last man, just enough that their Otherness will be eroded by a history eager to forget Them.

It just makes sense.

>>95979819
This is an argument that was brought up in Destiny 2. Humans, Cabal, Fallen, all killing each other in a thousand-year cycle of oppression. The only way to have a welcoming society is to forgive and forget all those past transgressions, and be willing to start on a fresh and equal footing with each other, in a concept reminiscent of religious grace. You would create a gentle city ringed with spears - power used for the good of all, and not for selfish interest.

This was accomplished by God manifesting in reality, giving itself a lobotomy so it could never form memories of its own to hold against others, and creating various races across the universe until one of those races became strong enough to unite all the other races of the solar system (by killing everyone who disagreed with unity), and then killing God's lobotomized other half of memory to kill the very concept of disunity. That's why the next enemy of the series are the souls of the planets of the solar system who predate God.

>>95972469
Plastic recycling is a fucking meme.

>>95968670 (OP)
>You can imagine any fantasy you want
>You imagine tribal violence
Sure. It's true that that's what the author imagines. Are you asking if this comic panel is capable of telling the future? No, anon. It isn't.

>>95968670 (OP)
Possibly, but the trend for war has been less and less violent since World War 2.

>>95968670 (OP)
OP is a slavery fetishizing turbo fag who got butthurt his players didn't want to play Dark Sun Grimderp Edition: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/94936218

>>95972094
Anon, why'd you copypaste what the other anon said?

>>95972469
Recycling in the vast majority of its forms is still just cope that creates just as much if not more waste than it's trying to avert. And most of that waste then still ends up poisoning the third world.

>>95983407
That's the edgy 19 year old college sophomore definition who saw a video on youtube and says "wake up sheeple."

You're dead wrong. Recycling has taught the vast majority of the first world to be environmentally conscious and conscientious. You know in the 80s when everyone feared acid rain and that the hole in the ozone would turn us all into mutants? You know why you don't hear about that any more? Because the population became environmentally conscious, the leaders were pressed into banning the chemcials that caused the problems, the environment recovered and the hole in the ozone layer closed 2 decades after we stopped using the chemicals that caused it on industrial scales. Then one of the most bumb-fuck, conservative retards of a President that the USA has ever had created the fourth largest nature reserve on planet Earth. It's not about recycling plastic. It's about sociologically engineering an environmentally conscious population. And it worked.

>>95979156
It's easy to write a utopian post-scarcity society when you don't have to explain how it actually works. Think one of the RPGs tried to.

>>95983446
>we'll just recycle everything
>It's not about recycling
Do you read a reply chain at all before going off?

>>95983473
>post scarcity
>but still scarce luxuries which the government restricts your access to through control over your UBI
lmao they just introduced regular street crime back in, people are going to mug each other for their credits to fund another holodeck session

>>95983495
>My argument got destroyed
>Quick, a red herring!

>>95976695
I would just like my own people to remain the demographic majority in our ancestral homeland, thank you very much. I don't give a single fuck if that makes me a racist, I remember the time when there were basically zero foreigners here and how they started flooding into our lands in the 90ies, and nowadays it is basically a fucking crime to state the fact that they are foreigners even if some of them are already born here. Fuck them, they are not my ethnic kinsmen, I do not see them as my people and I owe no allegiance to them.

>>95983589
But then I wouldn't be hearing the sad mating chirp of the African Fire Alarm from my neighbor's apartment.

>>95983607
>tfw can't even experience the lost bliss of Finnish apartment life where you are not even sure if anyone else lives in the same building as you due to us all keeping to ourselves due to the fucking somalians next door being so loud.

>>95983473
McCarthy did nothing wrong

>>95983515
Star Trek has minimal privacy so you would just go to prison whenever you did this because you would be instantly caught.

>>95976695
>>95983589
>>95983607
>>95983627
Wow, all of these very game related posts. By people who surely play games.

>>95976695
But I don't consider them human lol, why would I want good treatment for them? I want them to lower their gaze and shuffle their feet when I walk by, maybe tug their forelock a little.
A "Yes Massa" or two won't go amiss.

>>95983828
What game was OP talking about?

>>95983986
It's your fault, shouldn't have made games political. Reap what you sow, and all that.

>>95983997
Are you ok?

>>95968670 (OP)
Allow me to introduce you to the worst, most cruel, most destructive sentence ever uttered by man:
>"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
With this simple statement of belief, all diversity of thought is deemed the enemy. Any disagreement about the best way to run a society is casus belli for a war of moral imperialism. A parent raising his child with the "wrong" views on the other side of the planet is a seed from which dissent might someday grow any must be quashed. Whoever controls the means to make war and believes in that quote will find ample justification for nearly any act of violence, the use of any means of surveillance and control, and the complete mental enslavement of anyone and everyone in the pursuit of "justice". No resource scarcity necessary.

>>95984017
I'm better than okay, I've never been happier. The current state of affairs is something I'm loving, and I cannot wait to see what happens at the end of four years.
Every night I pray on bended knee that we get twelve years of Republican rule.

>>95968670 (OP)
>Boomer comic
>Retarded boomer take

"World Peace" in the post-WW2 liberal order conception is definitely folly. Mostly because it mistakenly believes western liberal values are universal, when they are not. Wars happen for more reasons than just tribalism and resources. You do not need to view your enemy as a mysterious other to be afraid of them, oftentimes wars are for the personal benefit of a ruler/ruling class because it forces a state of emergency that naturally makes people more reticent to take risks (like shaking up the political structure back home). This can backfire horribly if the war goes quite poorly and the ruler was on shaky ground from the start, but generally wars are good for incumbents.

World peace would probably need to be an imperial venture. Diverse polities typically require a firm, borderline tyrannical hand to effectively govern. To be clear, the most successful multi-ethnic/cultural empires are not totalitarian, but they are underpinned by brutal retribution from the central authority if anyone acts up. Cultural homogenization helps with it, but I can't see republics scaling well enough even if a true human monoculture is created.

>>95968670 (OP)
No, it's all false and fallacious. Resources would be virtually infinite if we distributed them equitably and if the economy weren't based on increasing profits every day. The tribalism part is also false; what we have is elitism: a minority has the majority of resources.

>>95984191
>Resources would be virtually infinite if we distributed them equitably
I honestly can't tell if you're retarded or just really good at pretending you're retarded. This doesn't even require a refutation, just rereading it makes the problem as clear as day.

>>95968670 (OP)
read Abundance by Ezra Klein

>>95984098
I mostly agree with you, except that everything is a resource: land, produce, titles, victories, religious following, anything that you can put a number on it, regardless of how abstract it is, can be considered a resource. During war times, intelligence and information was a valuable resource, and if you have more than me, I'm going to punch you until that is not the case anymore, and I will only allow you to live if I can be sure that you will never have more of it than I do via oppressive laws and control over the narrative.
And when a group doesn't have that resource, it will resort to tribalism (my group vs your group) and violence as an effective answer.
And if we consider the post-ww2 idea of world peace that is a world without wars, it is indeed folly.

>>95968670 (OP)
I don't think so. Even most pessimistically, eventually enough bloodshed would result in resource abundance again, achieving world peace Star Trek-style.

>>95984056
>>95983997
>I came here expressly to have political arguments and make games political, but actually it's the other side doing that and I'M THE VICTIM
The boomerisation of politics has caused everyone to compete over who's the biggest karen about their victimhood.
Both sides suck, FUCK OFF

>>95984815
>boomerisation
The oppression Olympics is a millennial thing thoughbeit.

>>95985259
>thoughbeit
You really need to stop trying to make this a thing.

>>95985259
Hahahahaha. No. Not even a little bit. Nope. Boomers are the fucking worst about it, in the US. How many of these 80 year old white folks with 3 houses and no taxes getting social security in addition to their pensions are screaming that christians are oppressed in the USA? All of them. Everyone is annoying. Millenials are far, far from the worst.

>>95968670 (OP)
Ehh…

I would say, like some others here have posted already, the moment we become interplanetary those “finite” resources are going to be such huge numbers that they become functionally infinite. Don’t believe me? Iron, silicon, and aluminum are finite resources but they also represent 3 of the 5 most abundant elements on earth and even with our intensive industry haven’t actually put a measurable dent in that supply.

But with that said, humans are aggressively territorial by nature. It’s just an instinct we share with chimps to draw lines dividing what is “ours” and what is “theirs” and flip our collective shits when it’s not respected. So yes war will still be around. Don’t get me wrong we’re still going to do are darnedest to avoid war whenever possible, but you know what they say about the best laid plans of mice and men.

"Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None, I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill."

>>95968670 (OP)
Hot take: Even with unlimited resources, humans would still resort to tribal violence.

>>95968670 (OP)
>>95985829
It's not a resource problem, it's a humanity problem

>>95985259
Who the fuck do you think instilled that poison into the gestalt? Millennials didnt wake up one day in their mid twenties and start thinking "Actually...white people...bad????" We grew up with this shit shoveled down our throats by boomers and older gen-xers. Literally our entire political and social construct is built on the social framework the boomers developed and their dogshit kids grew up with. Why do you think we're STILL treating the Russians like they're the Soviets? Unironically Marxism requires there to be an oppressor and an oppressed, and we're running out of oppressed people and are making shit up just to keep the grift rolling and those who profit both politically and economically in power.

>>95985829
Ignoring the impossibility of unlimited resources on a physical level, there is no such thing as unlimited resources. You exist and you are a resource.
Even if there was infinite of you, the one you are is a resource that someone doesn't have and they want it.
And when we get to a more abstract concept like power, it really can't be unlimited, since power is always relative to one another.

>>95983515
That's the part of the utopian society they don't talk about. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people who try to scam for more credits for various reason, getting maximum goon sessions out of the holodeck being a major one.

But then you also don't see the regular stuff like domestic violence, family drama, regular people bullshit. Granted, I'm of the belief that the fact that you can replicate most things perfectly has shifted most people's attention away from purely material desires to status so que people lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering their way to having high social standing and the inevitable crash that results trying to maintain appearances.

>>95968670 (OP)
That logic does not hold if waging the war will destroy more than winning it could capture. Which has been true since the atomic bomb.

>>95984023
>Allow me to introduce you to the worst, most cruel, most destructive sentence ever uttered by man:
>>"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
From Letter from a Birmingham Jail, by Martin Luther King Jr.

>>95974461
>as private industry doesn't build infrastructure
If they see profit in it they will, see Chiquita.
It's becoming too expensive to dig up the resources we've got here on Earth why would getting them from space be any cheaper?

>>95984023
"Injustice bad" is now an evil statement, since it encourages people to try to stop injustice, rather than just sitting around jerking off to lolis all day. It annihilates diversity of thought since somebody else might believe an unjust thing, and teach it to their child, which must be stopped.

God you people are so stupid.

>>95979149
The type of guys who will praise hitler and then get mad when you call them a nazi, all in the same sentence. They're completely mentally ill.

>>95969457
>>95977042
China literally has affirmative action and shit to promote native cultures.

>>95970046
>t. redditor addicted to 4chan

>>95983515
It's Utopian mostly because everybody gets enough. People who work hard to still get rewarded.

>>95991066
Chinese culture is anti nationalist by default. It exists to consume other cultures into itself.

>>95991284
>Chinese culture is anti nationalist by default
Are you crazy? What you just said just shows how much they are ultra nationalists. In which they simply incorporate other cultures because their cultures will all become part of China's culture.
It's as egocentric as saying that Ukraine's war is America's war because eventually both Ukraine and Russia will become part of America.

>>95986348
>Why do you think we're STILL treating the Russians like they're the Soviets?
Because the Russians keep acting like the Soviets in every way but economic: the endemic lies, the disregard for individual freedoms, the invading their neighbours with tanks, the Great Dictator for Life, etc.
They flew fucking USSR flags into battle on their tanks when they invaded Ukraine

>>95986348
>Why do you think we're STILL treating the Russians like they're the Soviets?

Not that Anon, but because they're explicitly not a democracy, and they keep invading and occupying ex-soviet bloc countries (of which they're currently occupying 3 at the moment), and they keep threatening people with nuclear bombs, and they also keep propping up 3rd world states that are hostile to the United States.

They never stopped acting like the Soviet Union, so why should anyone treat them differently.

>>95968670 (OP)
There is always war some where

>>95991066
Mate this is absolutely not true. I cannot believe you actually think that. China's 'affirmative action' policies are fucking poison. They replace actual culture with their carefully curated, pro-Han version of it, then tone it down even more until the entire group is assimilated.
Look at what's happening in Xinjiang province right now, there's an aggressive policy of de-Islamization, it's incredibly dystopian. And I say this as someone who doesn't even like Muslims.

>>95992446
I am asking in good faith here but is the onky reason you dislike it is because it's China? Because

>there's an aggressive policy of de-Islamization

Has zero issues. Zero. If Europe adopted this, 99% of our social problems would be eradicated. Ironically I have Muslim colleagues who are, also ironically, my best friends in work. But I am also aware how Islam must be removed from non islamic countries.

>>95985364
>All of them
I have never heard a single one of them complain about that. And I worked as a volunteer in a retirement home for 3 years.
If anything, they were all mostly great to work with, they were all trying their best even though they knew they had their own shortcomings because of their age.
I have never ever heard a single one of them complain that they were oppressed.
I'm a millennial, and I do think that my gen is the one who got high on this oppression olympics, trying to claim to be more oppressed than the other in a naive thinking that somehow being an underdog gives you diplomatic protection.

>>95968679
lol the jews did a number on you buddy

>>95992446
>muh Xinjiang
Oh no stamping down on violent separatists with ties to international terrorists that the rest of the west also calls evil.

>>95993976
you will never be the boot wearer lmao

>>95995552
You probably think you will, deep down. I know you.

>>95990763
>"Injustice bad" is
not the statement being made
he's saying that somehow a woman being forced to wear a headdress in syria is a personal threat to you in the united states, trying to justify soft imperialism of global interventionism
but you already knew that faggot

>>95996516
Injustice bad, when it happen in Syria, so we should invade Syria and overthrow them. This is just moronic nonsense pretending to be wise, but you already know that, faggot.

MLK Jr. used that phrase in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, and there was probably a more American issue he was concerned with at the time.

>>95984023
Thank you for the view from Kremlin or, "Why Russia and China should be allowed to have empires and it's morally wrong of the West to stop them"

"Look," said the man, "how my kind make war
I summoned you here to ask what for"
"For wealth or land," the god replies
"For life, or freedom, or some king's lies"
"Four of those five," the first one said
Are not enough to appease the dead
To save my world, all this strife must cease
So now I bid you to conjure peace"
The god said, "Yes, though it grieves me sore
For I was also a god of war
And I remember what you forget
Four of those five you may still regret"