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Vorthos Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: How do we fix Magic's writing?

>>95976306 (OP)
she cute

>>95976306 (OP)
>TQ
We stop sarkhan saving Ugin. Or we stop the mending.

>tq
Integrate UB with magic story. Have teferi in midgard, elspeth in the earth kingdom, Winter in the Shire, Ugin on the tardis. Then they'll start adding mtg characters to these popular IPs and magic will be saved.

>spend all my removal on rhystic studies
>have no cards
>my opponents draw cards anyway

>For Mirrodin! but it's an aura

Has anyone compiled the Edge leaks anywhere?

>>95976378
who cares lmao all they had to do was make endless space MTG but they couldn't even handle that

>>95976306 (OP)
>TQ
>How do we fix Magic's writing?
We can't. But hypothetically the writing could be improved by removing activist writers and returning the story to the level of people living on a given plane.
Cut the meta-narrative, cut the capeshit, let go of needing a Face of The Brand(tm) at the center of everything. Just focus on writing decent stories about individual worlds and the characters that live in them.

>>95976354
>play with fags
>game sucks

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>95976435
Importing because I'm retarded

In your experience how prevalent is cheating in commander? New to the game but played my third game last week, dropped all is dust and was told by two guys running zombie decks that swamps are colourless. Checked it later and doesn't seem to be the case. Been quite a few other cases like with people claiming creatures aren't permanents etc that I'm surprised at given the four player format. inb4 just messing with a newbie, they pulled this shit on eachother too. Maybe it's not malicious and people genuinely don't read or understand rules but still surprising.

I fixed her nose

>>95976510
Lands are colourless.

>>95976510
You'd be surprised how many people play magic but never learn the rules, and/or never learn how to reference the rules. The amount of incoherent, emotional "rules" arguments I've had to sit silently through because normoids refuse to be taught keeps me up some nights.

For the record, creatures on the battlefield are permanents (but are not in other zones) and lands (such as swamps) are colorless.

>>95976510
Lands are colorless

>>95976510
>https://mtg.wiki/page/Comprehensive_Rules
>https://magic.wizards.com/en/rules
There's the spoonfeeding for you. I think the wiki is easier to navigate, personally.
Go read rule 202.2 for the land issue, then see if you can prove that creatures are permanents using your own research.

Unironically bring back the novels. Even WAR had a coherent plot. Who the fuck is letting these fags jump from red wall, to cowboys, to space. Any actual writer would tell them to go fuck themselves. Garfield is probably rolling in his bed

>>95976530
>>95976535
>>95976573
Swamps are black you absolute mongoloids. LOOK AT THE FUCKING CARD.

question, Ive been told that I was doing this wrong so I was wondering: If I have Judith, Carnage Connisseur and Harmonic Prodigy, then play a Lightning Bolt and choose imps, does Harmonic trigger and let me choose a 2nd time with lifelink and deathtouch or am I stuck with two imps cause Im locked in?

>>95976636
The entirety of magic lore needs a hard r reset.
>>95976647

>>95976652
Harmonic doesn't "trigger", it's a static ability.
Harmonic instead causes *Judith* to trigger twice.
What do you think having two Judith triggers implies for you choices?
Each choice in independent, you can have whatever combination you want.

>>95976306 (OP)
>TQ
Go back to block sets(at the minimum do two sets per plane so you can have conflict/resolution)
That's the only issue. Planes and storylines feel flat because there's no stakes since every set has to both set up the plane, the conflict, and the resolution

>>95976652
It isn't a copy effect, it just triggers again so you can choose a different option

>>95976510
>>95976647
I'm new but my understanding is that Swamps produce black mana but are colorless because they have no mana cost.
Scryfall says the same too
>all is dust
>Each player sacrifices all permanents they control that are one or more colors.

>Lands have no mana cost, so they are colorless unless an effect states otherwise.

>>95976647
It is colourless. Go look up rule 105.
You are confusing a cards actual colours, and it's colour identity, which are two different things.

>>95976681
>>95976535
>>95976689

>>95976647
Read the rules. All lands are colorless. The mana symbol on a land shows you what color mana it produces, not what color it is. The only land that has a color is Dryad Arbor and that's only because it's also a creature.

>>95976690
This post is a perfect example of where we're headed as a civilization. Please don't forget this example anons.
This, right here, is the AI future.

>>95976690
>AI answer
GO LOOK IN THE FUCKING RULES, I EVEN GAVE YOU THE NUMBER.

>>95976691
dryad arbor is green because it says it's green not because it's a creature

>>95976691
No, it's green because of the line "Dryad Arbor is green". Not because it's a creature. In future reprints the rules line is replaced by a color indicator - that can also define the color of a card.
Consider, by comparison, Awaken. The lands do not automatically inherit a color simply by becoming creatures.

>>95976720
Incorrect. It is a green creature. Plainly and simply. Newer versions of the card do not state 'it is green' because it is an intrinsic quality of the card and not and effect.

Just got back from a 10 hour game session with the boys.
After 4 games I've determined Zidane is the most fun Final Fantasy commander.

>>95976737
that's green because it says it's green (the little pip) but not because it's a creature

>tfw surrounded by pseuds who can't perceive a simple fact like the color of the card border
Never mind the GIANT COLORED MANA SYMBOL in the middle of the FUCKING TEXT BOX.

>>95976748
The color of the card didn't necessarily indicate the color of the card

>>95976748
Text box ain't color. It is color identity, but not the color of the permanent itself.
Ask yourself this question: if Swamp is black, why is Swamp black? What is making it a black permanent?
Understand why permanents have colors, and you will begin to comprehend why lands are colorless.

>>95976748
>Gets proven wrong with cited sources
>Doubles down
Go outside and cool off anon

>>95976748
That symbol denotes the mana it produces, not what color it is.

>>95976772
I cited a source, I trust google more than a wiki anyone could edit. Just admit you don't know everything instead of doubling down on being an um-actually contrarian for something as basic as swamps being black.

Stop feeding the obvious troll

>>95976742
>Zidane Typal

>>95976781
>I trust google
You are never going to own a home.

>>95976781
It's not even just google, it's google AI. I'd take the word of an expert system with billions upon billions of parameters trained on the entirety of human knowledge over some wiki editor or contrarian 4channer any day!
These people are just mad they can't lie in public and get away with it anymore.

>>95976781
>https://magic.wizards.com/en/rules
Read nigga, read.

>>95976783

>>95976781
AI summary is not a valid source.
You got pointed to the actual rule, by number, no need to look at the wiki.
It even got pointed out what two mechanical concepts you might be conflating.

People were mostly cordial with you until you doubled down. Deep breaths my man

>>95976794
>a robot trained on the entirety of human knowledge that's so smart it can pass the bar exam
>some chud on an anonymous imageboard
I know who I'm trusting.

>>95976781
>I trust google
How many rocks do you eat in a day, anon? Google AI recommends at least one a day.

>>95976802
Yeah, it's called salt. You should know.

>>95976802
Here's the AI's source for that, lmao

https://theonion.com/geologists-recommend-eating-at-least-one-small-rock-per-1846655112/

@95976781
This has to be bait. I refuse to believe someone would double and triple down on this. Not being able to shame someone for their shit opinions might be one of the biggest failings of the internet.

>>95976812
The AI overview recommended eating rocks for vitamins. If you think it was referring to salt, consider this, salt contains no vitamins. Ergo, the AI still gave bad advice.

>>95976833
>I'm not going to eat salt because AI said I should and AI is le bad

>>95976842
>Local tcg player can't read
Many such cases unfortunately

Goblin on human action

Is it really that easy to fool EDH general? Aren't mtg players supposed to be smart?

>>95976800
>Lets go check the data the super smart AI is pulling from
>Inb4 "The black mana symbol is a colour indicator"
guess you'll have to check the rulebook to make sure :^)
>Inb4 you edited this
guess you'll have to check the rulebook to make sure :^)

I know you're trolling, so this is more for posterity and future reference.

>>95976881
woops

>>95976690
>AI
AIs hallucinate, anon... Furthermore, color is not the same as color identity. "Color identity" is a deckbuilding constraint for EDH, and yes the basics have color identity, but this has no effect in-game. "Color" is a game mechanic and is based around the mana cost of the permanant, or special markers/effects. Kenrith is the color white, for example, but has the color identity for all five colors (because of his activated abilities). A creature having protection from green would not stop Kenrith from targeting it with his +1/+1 counter ability, because Kenrith is not green.

>i was only pretending to be retarded

All these replies to obvious bait, is this all you people do all day?

>TQ
Center it on the inhabitants of a plane, planeswalkers are weird freaks who show up and complicate things.

Should you use some sort of chess clock for commander games? Whenever you do your turn or react to something it goes off your time. Some games are absolutely miserable solely because some people take way too long.

>>95976876
MtG has always been a refuge for the midwits with delusions of grandeur, and EDH especially so.
Ask yourself, how many MtG players do you know who are also really into competitive abstracts (Chess, Go, etc)? Not many. MtG is designed around making the player feel smart without being smart.

Do smart people play MtG? Of course, but that's a different question.

>>95976896
Correcting game rules is much better than a meltdown over 2d pedophilia like last thread. Even if its bait, it's at least on topic.

>>95976890
I hear the excuse that people play certain commanders (usually with partner) due to color choice but then why not just run kenrith FACT

>>95976898
Doesn't actually seem tenable with the priority system. It'd be like playing on modo but worse.

>almost every legal RL card is bad
once you know this it makes it way cheaper to play EDH

>>95976918
huh?

>>95976928
HUH??

Should I spend 500 dollars on Wheel of Fortune or 5 dollars on Reforge the Soul.... tough choice.....

>>95976942
spend 10 cents on both

>>95976944
>nigger
ew

>does nothing but land ramp all game

>entire removal suite can only consist of mana rock hosing

not even a green hater, but this aspects really makes me turn around on it.
is it always morally correct to target the green player more than others?

>>95976913
It could work. The player before you end his turns and pushes his turn button. It's your turn and your time is running. When someone wants to react during your turn, they push their reaction button and their time is running. When they are done reacting they push that button again and it's your time.
People would have to constantly smash buttons on a phone or tablet and it's easy to mess up. But it would work with the priority system.

>>95976951
>N-noo you dont understand!
>i have to make a random autistic investor richer before i play this casual format

yarr harr, bitchboy

>>95976951
omg BaSsSeDdDdD!!!1!1! You said the word!

>>95976956
I always target the blue players first.

>>95976962

>>95976957
>I cast Craw Wurm
>you spend 5 seconds deliberating over whether or not you want to counter it
>it resolves
>I'm now down 5 seconds on my clock
That's without factoring in how much worse this becomes with multiple players. You have to clock in/out with priority passes or it doesn't work.

>>95976742
Got a list? He looks like good casual fun

>pod decides to play some new jank we built
>that one player who doesnt have jank pulls out his slow burn, bone chilling, atmospheric deck that is guaranteed to win the harder he can drag us out to the late game and the longer the game goes

guess the commander

>>95976742
>Wowzers, a commander that is both the engine and the payoff?
>Sign me the fuck up, Zinédine

>>95977002
>doesn't know what an engine is
lmao

>>95976956
You target the player using some wedge goodstuff commander first, or the Simi player.

Last thread's nonretarded discussion made me consider Y'Shota for an Artifact aggro deck. Simulacrum Synthesizer loves 3 cost artifacts and you can Tutor it up with tons of 3+ cost tutors like Reshape, Fabricate, Diabolic Tutor, etc. Turns 3 drop mana rocks into burn, draw, and constructs!

>>95977063
>Y'Shota

>>95977063
Tymna and Malcolm is objectively a better esper commander. Just so you know.

>>95977104
Partner is for fags

>>95977104
>doesnt burn
>no real artifact synergy
Yeah... no...

>>95976390
>all they had to do was make it like my head cannon
Every. Single. Set.

>>95977063
I'll throw together a quick list with only cards I own from Golbez and my binders and see if it looks cool. Will post it in a bit, gonna go with the idea of as many 3+ drops in slots where applicable with cost reduction to compensate. Snuff out would be beautiful in particular since you can pay the 4 life and as long as she survives you know you'll get a late draw off of it.

>>95976042
He's really fun with living weapon effects, cut all the power matters stuff in the precon.

Who is the best living weapon tribal commander? Sephiroth? Brokkos?

>>95976737
The pip means '(name) is green'

>>95977370
Cromat

LOOL so there goes that mechanically unique SL card reprinting system out the window
thanks to most people buying the UBs they can cut costs with UW versions

tldr: buy buy goy, sonic is reserved list now

I took a 24 hour break from playing FFXIV to make a commander deck with hag cat as my commander. I made sure to include all the (un)funniest FFXIV jokes I could think of that were remotely playable.
https://moxfield.com/decks/w4x9TTqZAE-WdlZ909gIag
Please clap

>>95977441
The only good thing about FFXIV is my wife, Alphinaud.

>>95976912
Kenrith is actually a viable cEDH deck simply because of how powerful of a politicking tool he can be.
He is like Phelddagrif only he is actually a good card

>>95977322
>>95977063
https://archidekt.com/decks/14153086/artifact_cat_girl
I'm probably not gonna keep this around for long since i have no intent to take apart Golbez, but I just threw in all the good shit I have and sorta decided to wing it otherwise. Lots of 3 drop rocks, ended up with very few creatures lmao
I think the only combos I included were like
>Nick Valentine + KCI + Stridehangar + Pactdoll
>Basalt Monolith + Forensic Gadgeteer + Walking Ballista/Torment of Hailfire
I hope you like it

Oh shit I posted in the wrong thread first. anyway
Never in my life have I met a player that has scooped to multiple boardwipes even after the game has gone for 2+ hours. do these people actually exist or are they just complainers who don't do anything about it?

>>95977063
Shameless self-reply, I do appoligize for not reading further up the thread, I would have replied to you originally.
Synthesizer is probably a real easy include, along with Esoteric Duplicator
>>95977441

>>95977507
>thatfaggotguy
I literally blocked his shorts from coming onto my youtube feed. Garbage takes, annoying skits, really no fucking value to the community.

>>95977474
Never played cedh, but I imagine it has more to do with being a 5 color commander that's an outlet for infinite mana.

>>95977423
Nice, I'll just keep consuming then since investing is safe.

Creepy-Jiki

>>95977593
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOjpfHl1OH8

I finally convinced my buddy to get into Magic. Long story short he bought a couple packs of Aetherdrift since LGS had it cheap, and he pulled Hazoret, Godseeker. He wants to build a commander deck around her, but I have zero fucking idea how to make red decks that aren’t goblin tribal or rituals to turbo out Etali. Any help?

Who did the red clone archetype best?

>>95976912
Mana cost is also a factor, lots of decks at the highest level want low cost commanders or commanders with cost reducers to keep recasting them for storm count.

>>95976742
>Mutant
Oh look, a legal X-Men card!

>>95977423
Well, when Universes Within become this, I rather not have them

>>95977773
baaaaased

>>95977423
cool I'll just keep using proxies.

>>95977773
Does the picture on the right represent women in this general

>>95976995
Shigeki turbofog

>>95977799
there are only men and mentally ill men here

>>95977423
you must have seen this coming, UW reprints were already incredibly infrequent as it was

>>95977813
yes, I just didn't think he would have the balls to actually say it

>>95977820
well he said it right there, the "research" showed there aren't enough people that will get mad about it

>>95977826
yep, they did the math. the science trusters are satisfied

>>95977833
science is bullshit. Emotion is fact

>>95977687
Orthion with Jaxis in second. Sacrificing the tokens so they also get death triggers is maximum value.

>>95976510
>>95976690
>>95976737
>>95976748
This isnt even good trolling. You're all fucking retarded.

>>95977799
>girls visiting /tg/ EVER
lol

>>95976918
Why were you buying RL in the first place? You sound like a fucking retard who hasn't ever built his own deck

>>95976987
Why would my clock run when its your priority?

Don't mind me, just destroying your lands

>>95977863
nta i get your point about clocks but it's better to do what poker does and just call the clock when a player is slow playing/stalling, like what actual competitive 1v1 magic does

>>95977871
I bet you like drawings of little girls

>>95977871
>not using the ultra based og roe version
you are a colored person

>>95977871
>Tribal
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh Mark Nosewater save meeeeeeee aaaaaaaaaaa!

>>95977871
Lands are colourless though

>>95977423
Seems like it'd be incredibly easy to at least do TWD treatment and give them rare UW prints

The color of a permanent is determined by its mana cost. Lands have no mana cost, ergo, they are colorless.

>>95977826
What I don't understand is how this even requires math. Surely it's not expensive to commission one artist and make an alt of a card to sell for a ton of money

>>95977680
Small gobbies/weenies and things that trigger off hitting other players. Then use hazoret for anything that doesn't solve

>>95977912
That's the joke

>>95977423
Maro lying will never not be funny

>>95977863
Because that's what that anon was describing. If you aren't clocking in/out as priority is passed and are only clocking in on someone else's turn once you're actually taking a game action, then you're utilizing their clock time to think despite them not having priority.

Are there any good black Start Your Engines cards
Asking for a Speed Demon deck

>>95977959
You should re read what he typed.

>>95977964
You have 14 fucking cards dont look through dont be a lazy piece of shit
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28oracle%3AStart+oracle%3Ayour+oracle%3Aengines%29+commander%3AB+%28game%3Apaper%29

>>95977950
My apologies, I have seen far too many people actually thing they do have colour and thought it was just that again.

>>95977912
False

>>95977964
Yes there are

>>95977965
>It could work. The player before you end his turns and pushes his turn button. It's your turn and your time is running. When someone wants to react during your turn, they push their reaction button and their time is running. When they are done reacting they push that button again and it's your time.
Who's clock is running after I cast Craw Wurm(passing priority), but before you press the "reaction button" and announce you're casting counterspell?

>two friends flake out of edh night
>1v1 games is it
>sweet I get to ry my Brigone deck
>should slap in 1v1
>buddy runs his Terra deck
>Accursed Marauder locks me on t4

>>95977975
...man, most of these suck. I guess Gas Guzzler, the three colorless lands and Momentum Breaker can slot in? Maybe Gastal Raider.

>>95977995
brigone is a waifu not meant for winning games

>>95977923
but IMAGINE the costs they can cut
there will be no consequences either because not enough people care according to them so why bother

>>95977994
Whoevers priority it is anon this isnt confusing. The game runs at your speed when you have priority. He just doesn't understand magic well and explained poorly as a result. There is no reaction button or window. He passes priority, pressing his timer, the timer of the next player in turn order would automatically go, once priority is his its his time to react if he wants, if he doesn't he similarly will pass priority and the next person's clock would start. Use your head and be charitable.

>>95977995
>he literally only includes one creature in his deck
Sorry you're bad anon use this as a learning experience

>>95976867
Buy an ad

>>95977370
Realistically I think it's nahiri or cloud
But I'm building sephiroth

>>95976867
Where can I buy these

>>95978206
I had other creatures in play even. He had Preston the gay bunny in play and was making like 3 Marauders a turn...

>>95976671
This. Blocks were great. The Plane felt more relevant

>>95976671

>>95976306 (OP)
>TQ
Pretend the last 15 years or so simply didn't happen and start over with a new writing and art team

>>95977507
I moved to a new town last year, and in my very first game at the LGS I had a death trigger from Ryuesi, so 5 damage to everything. 2 people scooped. Mormons are little bitches

>>95978192
You're right that would be the proper way to do it and is how it works on modo, but his post was a response to me saying that doing it that way irl would be too cumbersome.

>>95976306 (OP)
>tq
kill every single planeswalker off and go back to doing blocks

>>95977423
>Take several years to reprint mechanically unique UB SLs
>Say you’re not releasing UW for any UB precons or sets
>”Yeah sorry, nobody wants to buy UW.”
Gee, I fucking wonder why.

>tq

make the lore serious again and get rid of all the gay and hat shit

>>95977680
>trying to make mono red deck
You have three options and all of them suck
>Ritual into a big spell
>Torbran pingers
>goblin tribal

Hazoret has always been an awful commander and probably always will be. She can’t even attack until you have max speed which means you either need a one drop with start your engines to get her to attack by by turn 4 or you need to basically make a pinger deck which at that point why not do torbran. Awful card all around, way better in the 99 of a creature focused deck with a speed sub theme

Oh yeah, and she sucks too because mono red has 14 cards with start your engines and only 8 or so fit in that archetype. So chances are you need to rely on her to start the speed, which means she’s not attacking until turn 4 even if you’re on curve at which point everyone has a chump blocker out if you try to go commander damage.

>>95977507
I had the reverse of this once
>playing my insect tribal deck
>broodhatch nantuko and hornet nest on the field to dissuade attackers while i set some things up
>baylen player has a silly number of bunnies
>rakdos player slaps down a Blasphemous Act
>I ask him to clarify if it does damage to creatures
>board is wiped and I get 26 insect tokens, 13 of which have deathtouch
>he says I should have reminded him what my cards did and scoops off in a huff
It was so stupid, he even looked at my board before he cast it to see what I had down

>>95977423
>I'm a strong advocate for Universes Beyond to be clear
God, these people should be lawfully executed after a fair trial and time to appeal their sentence.

>>95978506
In all fairness, if someone is clearly making a mistake because they've overlooked something, it's sporting of you to make sure they're aware of it.
This isn't a competitive format, you gain nothing from winning purely because you let someone take an action you know they did not intend.

>inb4 "they should ask if they don't know what it does!!!!!!!"
Maybe they think they know what it does but have misunderstood. Maybe there's a rules interaction they're not aware of. Maybe going round the board asking everyone if they can pick up every fucking creature on their field to read it would grind the game to a halt and make it very clear they're holding a board wipe.

>>95978506
>Scooping to your own boardwipe
Lmao. He should have at least stuck around to witness the consequences of his actions, this is too funny. This like the time I flashed in a Notion Thief in response to a wheel of Fortune and Decked myself

>>95977322
>>95977441
>>95977487
>>95977520
you both have thoroughly convinced me this was a bad idea and way too expensive

>>95978476
>Kiki-Jikki
>Ashling
>Lannery Storm
>Lathliss (or other mono-R dragon tribal like Magda)
>Chandra tribal
>Daretti
>Feldon
>Gornog
>Herigast
>Ilharg
>any of the pass around party bottom voltron guys like Alexios
>Norin/Squee memes
>Plarrg and Nassari
>Zada

What’s the best stax commander to deal with an artifact strategy (affinity, treasures, busted rocks, etc)

>>95978543
Bro you should have bought Mox Opals when they were 40 bucks. I have been clenching my Opals since Eldraxi Winter.

>>95978527
I had told the table what they do when they came onto the board one and two turns earlier.
I honestly didn't think there was a way he could have forgotten in that time but apparently I overestimated him

>>95978476
Purphorus Bronze Blooded is tons of fun. Basically a sneak attack commander. Also a God so its somewhat on theme for Hazoret

>>95977680
>>95978476
Red can also play Artifact Reanimator. Goblin Welder is a VERY based card.

>>95978476
My varchild and calamity neither dont do either of those. My kellan doesn't either. Closest i have is dragonhawk goblin but thats only cause I figured it was the easiest way to get a critical mass of 4+ power creatures

>>95977680
I don't think Hazoret is a very good commander because his effect is underwhelming.
I assume, if I'm reading the effect correctly, you can use his activated ability to target something with power 2 or less and then pump it up ridiculously and swing with it. So you're looking at aggro.
But you have no engine on board (no pun intended). Hazoret doesn't draw you cards or give you pay offs or anything, and there's already spells in red that can make something unblockable for a turn, so putting it on a stick isn't all that useful.
Start your engines is also just a garbage mechanic unfortunately. Ironically it's very slow because it's a hard once per YOUR turn. So even though Hazoret could come down even as early as turn 1 with the right hand, and has haste, it's not actually going to do anything itself for a while.

If your friend is set on using Hazoret in the command zone, then just generic red pump spells is all you need.
But I would seriously try to convince them to play anything else
>Feather the Redeemed
>Arabella Abandoned Doll
Both Boros but much better than Hazoret
If it has to be red then try
>Zada Hedron Grinder

Lastly, adding to what was said here:
>>95978476
>>95978546
I would highly recommend
>Ashling Flame Dancer

Her ability is fantastic and very thematic. Your friend sounds Timmy as fuck and I think telling him "you will BE the fire" will get him excited, and there's enough Spike crunchiness that it will ween him onto playing shit that's effective over time.

Basically her discard draw effect is not a "may" so it will happen every time you cast or copy an instant or sorcery, meaning there's always choices to be made about what to discard. Madness spells will make the discarding less feels-bad if he's very new.
Her 2nd effect can synergize with Repecussion or Basilisk Collar for very consistent damage
And her 3rd effect means if he plays cards in the right order he can sling a lot of spells.

>>95978557
>I had told the table what they do when they came onto the board one and two turns earlier
Okay? And clearly he forgot.
Again, what do you think you gain from seizing advantage from what you know to be a mistake? It's such an insectoid mindset.

At the tables I play at, I'd say at least a couple times a night there will be an interaction like
>"okay I swing X at Y"
>uhhhhhhh you know if he blocks and his creatures die, you'll have to sac everything on your board right?"
>"oh shit- okay, then I don't do that"

I don't know what else to say about it, I'm just so confused about the kind of person you have to be to let players make what you know to be a mistake they would not choose to make, in a casual format.

>>95978655
If you have to be reminded what a creature does 3 times in 5 minutes you legitimately be might be too retarded to play this game.

>>95978527
>takesiesbacksies in the big 25

>>95978589
>Had a 10 minute long argument with someone playing this arguing the emblem would bring back treasure tokens

>>95976956
>is it always morally correct to target the green player more than others?
It's correct to target the green player a bit more than you might be thinking initially. Remember that there's certain things each color does that are "its thing," those different things register as different amounts of threat in your brain. Blue draws cards, red does damage, that sort of thing.
In terms of "opponent aggro," damage, removal, sticking threats, and maybe countering spells all set off alarm bells, but ramp doesn't tend to -save something huge like boundless realms- but it's still "the color's thing."
If you want just a list of "categorically target in this order by color" with no other context, I'd say
BUG >> RUG > UG > jund > RG > bant > BG = GW (enchantress or hatebears) > naya > WBG (lower because grave hate sets them back for a while) > GW

late because I had something to do, reply anyway because autism.

>>95978655
Taking advantage of your opponents mistakes is a large part of all games. What an absurd mindset you have you may as well just role play a EDH game with your friends

>>95978685
Sounds like your problem for playing with retards then. But even if that's the case, again why are you trying to dunk on retards instead of helping them? Are you so deprived of wins that you can still get satisfaction from knowing that you only won because you let an opponent do something they clearly didn't intend to do and then told them "no takesies-backsies"?
I couldn't. I want to win games where everyone played as optimally as possible, even if that means pointing out they're making a mistake.

>>95978711
You may as well just roll a dice to see who wins in that case.

>>95978709
>Taking advantage of your opponents mistakes is a large part of all games
I don't disagree, but there's a difference between making a mistake because of hidden information and making a mistake because of forgotten information.
I mean, the test is simple:
>is this player doing something they otherwise absolutely would not do if they were aware of all the information currently on the board?
If they're just playing shit in the wrong order because they're not very good, or have poor threat assessment, that's on them. If they're literally about to step on a landmine because they've misread or forgotten something, where is the satisfaction in winning because of that?

I bet you're the kind of person who won't remind people of their triggers. Why the fuck are you playing a casual format? Can't hack it in competitive 1v1s is my guess.

>>95978722
>NOOOOOO ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO PLAY OPTIMALLY IS TOTALLY RANDOM!!!!!! LETTING PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT THINGS SO THEY ACCIDENTALLY LET ME WIN ISN'T RANDOM AT ALL!!!!!
How is others playing well making your game more random and not less random?
So yeah, what I'm hearing is you don't win when others play well so you claw for wins from obvious accidents to boost your own ego. That's very sad anon.

A lot of words for someone who refuses to read the board state.

>>95978734
>bro is already at the "im going to smugpost without replying directly" stage of cope
lol
lmao

Lightning Bolt is good in commander and I'm tired of pretending its not

>>95978734
Nta, but I don't thinking a bad thing to do to remind someone of an effect before they do something stupid, and in a casual game let them retract a spell/action. Then again, I playwith a lot of newer/casual players and want to help them grow

>>95978739
It was until they started making every three color wedge good stuff commander is 2/4

>>95978739
>this card that is already a red staple in this format because it's the most damage per mana on a single card in the game is good actually
Uh. Yeah, thanks anon.
It's been crept out a bit because Wizards has specifically been printing commanders with 4 toughness so they don't die to Lightning Bolt, but yeah it's good red removal and synergizes with what red wants to do which is damage. Thanks for your input.

>>95978543
lmao fair enough, I'm gonna take the deck down since I for sure ain't making it
Is the Ganax dragon player here? I got something I wanna run by you.

>>95978728
Correct hiding information is illegal and forgetting it is on you. Didn't read the rest because I dont argue with mental children

>>95978759
>ANON YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME I CAN'T FUCKING WIN AGAINST PEOPLE WHO PLAY WELL, I CAN ONLY SCRAPE A WIN IF SOMEONE MAKES A COMICALLY BAD BLUNDER IN MY FAVOR, DON'T TAKE THIS AWAY FROM ME
Geez, anon, no need to scream.

>>95978759
>Correct hiding information is illegal
Everything in your hand, library, and face down is hidden information, you slack-jawed retard.

Lot of bad bait today

>>95978755
>>this card that is already a red staple in this format
uhhhh, every sloptuber and redditard tells people that spot removal is bad in commander so you basically never see it

>>95978775
here's your (you), bad baiter

>>95978775
Line work too thick.

>>95978780
I think it's fine honestly
Doesn't hold a candle to the original but I like seeing mtg fanart

>>95978777
8th most popular red card on EDHREC. Now what?
God this is the "Gift of Tusks is bad actually" argument all over again

This space set better have goblins in it. Goblins in space in too perfect an opportunity to miss out on.

>>95978793
>one of the hottest women in the game
>on a shitty card
justice for my girl

>>95978796
Very set doesn't need goblins

>>95978812
Wrong

>>95977950
Oh I’m sorry, I guess you didn’t see my basalt monolith I just played right before while my forsaken monument was out. And with my staff of domination I grab my entire library and play all my big Eldrazi, casting RotE and mirrorpooling it. Alright what were you saying about lands being colorless?

>>95978803
>one of the hottest women in the game
>on a shitty card
Are you talking about my wife?

>>95978446
makes you think how the "math" was made when they have not released a single SL that reprints some UB first card in UW

>>95978796
Why can't we have a single hot female goblin commander

>>95978820
bad, bad ai

Why did they bother printing a worse Jhoira?

>>95978446
>>95978829
It's the fucking focus groups. They said they made UB standard-legal because not enough people in the focus groups opposed it.
I can't help but think that maybe the salivating dogs that would give market feedback to Wizards are either collectible-addicted paypiggies or scalping secondary market speculators, doesn't seem very representative of the playerbase.
I know people who have drafted every week for decades but now quit because of UB.

>>95978842
>mom i posted it again!

>>95978507
I bet some add that just to make maro more likely to respond

>>95978377
UB and SL is the fortniteification of magic
It started with marvelization, with cold snap tying up some loose ends and then time spiral block being the sendoff and break from the old. Lorwyn block was originally intended to have planeswalkers in it, but the design space got a bit bloated and there were some other issues with adding them in then. But you can really clearly see a complete change of direction with Lorwyn block from everything before it.
WotC started doing this trend for a while of limited-run precon products outside of the normal ones. It really began with Duel Decks but then evolved into a regular-release of "party formats" like Planechase, Archenemy, and coopting EDH into regular Commander releases. The interest in older cards (again, thanks to commander/EDH and in part some of the historical interest produced by Coldsnap and Time Spiral) spurred on the From the Vault line.

The hype around these was in part caused by special promo cards included with each that included reprints of (often much) older cards with updated frames and the card text matching oracle text as well as sometimes new art. Then it moved to being giga expensive limited releases.

The rest is history, we did this to ourselves. I am guilty of, back in my more-retarded days, wanting and buying some of these. I got bit by the Phyrexian Negator hype from the Ph vs Coalition duel decks. I apologize for my hand in contributing to this bullshit.

The other thing is that Arena makes it so any autist can sit at home endlessly testing decks for broken combos against hundreds of other people. It's accelerated the evolution of deckbuilding to the point R&D can't keep up, hence banlists exploding after it was released, infinite combos being found regularly within standard, and so on. It makes WotC too much money to kill, but it's going to burn their game out faster.

>>95978830
At least we have Kreat. Probably the closest we'll get.

>>95978835
I'm 99% sure that's not AI though?
https://lanamonad.artstation.com/

>>95978768
Behold a toddler denied his takesiesbacksies
>>95978774
Thats not relevant at all unless you also consider giving people takesiesbacksies for that.

>>95978828
This is a man
>but the top!
The man in the background also has one

>>95978868
Looks like shit then

Good luck to whoever gets it.

>pls post results

>>95976968
Wonder where I could cop this image as a playmat.

>>95978850
Silence bohn-schizo

>>95978898
Maybe you could peep it at your lgs to support your tricksy fae vibe

>>95978881
>Action: Please create a new character: GALIA, a FEMALE SATYR (p.155-161) and the self-styled LORD OF MISRULE.
>Show her leading a MERRY REVEL.
>She wears BRIGHT FLOWERS wound around her horns and carries a MOCK SCEPTER topped with a goblet.
>She is fickle and loves novelty, and her main goal is to hold a never-ending party.

Bonus, the original sketch before he had to remove the alcohol, cover her up a bit and stop the guy staring at her boobs.

>>95978881

>>95978904
>>95978907
Satyrs are all male if wotc wanted to do this they should've made it something else.

>>95978915
I confess they should've totally wasted their time making the female version (Faun) or referred to her as that in her title maybe like Faun of Revelry but Roman Satyrs are female, Greek satyrs are all male. You are gay. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

>>95978904
The original sketch has so much more SOUL lost by the paintover. Much more clear, much more expressive, much more focused. I'm not really a fan of the facial structures but I can set my taste aside to say it's actually pretty good as-is.
What the fuck is the art department doing?

>>95978880
You right now

>>95978939
Dawn Murin, the amazing art director for the set, then politely informed me that there's a few TINY rules regarding depiction of alcohol and related excesses in game that are to be sold to minors in the US that I (from the land of Oktoberfest) was not quite aware of. So I had to come up with a new kind of party in the background. Luckily, I love fruit, and now, everyone on Theros does too!
We wanted to make sure the main fun thing about the image - her being the heart of the party and him getting caught in it with no harm intended - came across as hilarious, excessive, but not disrespectful to anyone involved. So we made sure our headlocked dude's expression couldn't be misunderstood as staring at her boobs and dialed down the spring-break-ness of her outfit by a few percent. We both wanted to make sure the image could be as wild as possible while still passing legal review, and talked a bit about the lessons learned from [[Triumph of Ferocity]] - so there was a lot of thought given to the presentation of her character and the power dynamics in the image. With that, I had a solid drawing to take to final:

>>95978904
>>95978907
He's just shitposting. He did this last time Gallia was in the OP too.
TL:DR he's very mad Gallia isn't a femboy for him to coom to and that's it

>>95978904
>Flat-chested party girl

>>95978949
>power dynamics in the image
God I fucking hate wokies and their nu-speech.
>hurrr power dynamics
This shit ruins literally everything

>>95978955
But anon. Ke$ha is already real

>>95978962
I don't like the darkies

>>95978904
This sketch is better than what we got, but it's hard for me to identify why

>>95978958
All because of this card
I still do not understand why people say this is a rapey card

>>95978946
Saved for future cedh posters

>>95978967
??? Ke$ha is very white.
You're either turboboomer or fuckin' gen alpha.
Even zoomies know Ke$ha, she was still popular 2012-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHUbLv4ThOo

>>95978973
Anything where a man is using his strength to dominate a female, even in a non sexual way, evokes thoughts of rape in women

>>95978981
>evokes thoughts of rape in women
And male predators claiming to be leftists out of guilt/for access to women

>>95978978
I'm confusing Ke$ha with Shakira.
I'm actually retarded.

>>95978954
>TL:DR he's very mad Gallia isn't a femboy for him to coom to and that's it
He can just commission r63 art of "him", its not hard. Loads of people do shit like that. You know how much art exists of the Ring ghost lady but as a dude? A ton.

>>95978949
That doesn't explain the fact that the background is all washed out and the expressions are more CGI-esque uncanny valley in the finalized piece and how there's SO much detail that much of the important bits get lost. It's in this shitty attempt at fantastic realism that they keep doing with the art, and have been doing for almost 15 years. Whoever decided to make everything look like Bant, when Bant was the UGLIEST part of Alara block, is a goddamn moron.

>>95978973
It's entirely because his knee is between her legs. The artist probably fucked up something in the composition and then had to revise things on a time schedule. Garruk's hand on her throat is also microscopic compared to his raised fist, and his skull is twice the size of Lilly's. Reeks very much of "too many revisions for too little pay" to me.

>>95978925
Roman satyrs are called fauns anon. They are not the same thing.

>>95979006
We should have a different creature type for female characters instead of Human.

>>95978973
>Evil woman curses strong woodland animal dude
>Strong animal guy gets mad
How is this bad?

>>95978998
>Shakira nothing being a 10/10 fuck slut
She's also not dark nor a party girl

>>95979014
Because he won

>>95978622
>I think telling him "you will BE the fire"
Probably the gayest thing I've ever read

>>95979014
>Women experiences consequences as a result of her actions
I'm sure you can see why this is problematic.

>>95979018
Yeah I'm just retarded. I only listen to Dad-rock and country music because I'm a fake redneck.

>>95979006
reread my post
also
>intentional creature-type bloat when fauns are literally just hot women satyrs
kill yourself broham
>>95979014
>woman does bad thing
>there is comeuppance
unacceptable

for ysthola would it be fine just to max out on life drain, i dont really play control and i usually play aristocrats stuff so trying to play at instant speed and using blue stuff feels awful to me

>>95978946
But i dont play cedh anon I just play with grown men

>>95979048
Yeah anon, sitting around waiting for someone to do something you know they wouldn't do if they remembered what your card does and then screaming "no takesies backsies!" sounds like a really mature table

>>95979031
No i won't re read it.

>>95978854
>It started with marvelization, with cold snap tying up some loose ends and then time spiral block being the sendoff and break from the old.
for me modern (and really magic as it used to be) ended in ravnica allegiance, so in terms of marvelization it makes perfect sense, as bolas (thanos) won therefore war of the spark onwards never happened

When is the Castlevania secret lair?

>>95979095
>>95979101
You can now have a space marine equipped with lucille, attacking alongside starscream only to be blocked by cloud strife enchanted with Sonic The Hedgehog's Super State, guille wearing fallout power armor, & Knuckles, then tap The One Ring.

>>95979106
i still play current mtg, but only edh, and always thinking that it's a party game now, like smash ultimate

>>95979106
I fucking hate it. Absolutely fucking hate it. That being said, we're reaching a point where the fantasy UB sets are more Magic than whatever the fuck Wizards are doing to the main sets.

>>95979106
I crew the RMS Titanic with Sponge Bob Squarepants and equip it with a chainsaw and baseball bat

>>95979088
I have no idea why you have made up a scenario in your head so different to what was described.
Do you genuinely feel this way or are you trolling?
Serious question

>>95978756
>Is the Ganax dragon player here? I got something I wanna run by you.
yeah what's up

>>95979128
Hey, so I ended up doing Rakdos Dragons using Agent of the Iron Throne + Ganax and focusing harder on the treasure angle. I wanted to see what you thought or if you had suggestions/ideas for it. Lots of Black Dragons are... questionable in terms of feedback for input, so I felt like I was leaning really hard into red. I included Roaming Throne and Panharmonicon to increase the Ganax triggers and also pay off my other stuff like Scourge of Valkas, Dragon Tempest, Terror of the Peaks, etc.
https://archidekt.com/decks/14138983/throne_of_gold_and_iron
I'm 2 cards over since I remembered Walking Atlas and Pupu as ways to get more lands into play faster while still being artifacts.

>>95979088
Thats not what happens though. You seem very desperate to characterize something you have no information about further than we live with our mistakes and I know nothing further than you cry about yours

>>95979159
Joke's on you nigger I'm not him, fuck off

I usually get excited brewing a new deck about once a month, but I've been sitting on Narset curses for longer than that now without much will to put something else together. I figured there'd be at least one eye-catching legendary from Final Fantasy, but everything in the set looks so incredibly fucking boring.

I'd like to build Errant and Giada flash tribal, but the cards that "make" the deck are surprisingly expensive. I've been debating Melek, Reforged Researcher as a sort of "big spells control" deck with a lot of my favorite 5-mana counterspells (i.e. Spell Swindle, Spelljack, etc) but idk

>>95979166
omfg BAAAAAAAASED!!

>>95979169
Vacuum your carpet

>>95979166
OWNED
>capthca: PNWWG
even the captcha agrees

>>95979214
Make me fucker

>>95979169
This deck is cool Anon, I might steal your idea. What is the card below Remand and above AOYC?

>>95979279
Mana Drain, which isn't really a necessary for the deck. If I were to build it again I'd replace some of the interaction I do have with permanent-based stuff. i.e. utter insignificance, eaten by pirahanas, amphibian downpour

>>95979287
Gotcha. How has your experience been against aggro decks? Lots of Zurgos and such at my LGS.

>>95979304
Do you mean one of the new Zurgos? This deck is pretty light on real board wipes since losing your commander is devastating. You have a lot of targeted removal for key pieces, however.

I very often find the enchant tutors going for the double treachery line on dicier boards. That can bring you up to a lot of big blockers. Your commander independent of being powerful is just a 4/4 flying vigilance, so it's favorable protection.

A propaganda wouldn't be horrible here if you're worried about it though.

>>95979243
cute kitty

>>95979323
Yeah the new one from the precon. I seem to go up against lots of go-wide decks. Appreciate the tips.

>>95979159
>estimated bracket 4
lmao can you make a single deck that isn't broken?

>>95979375
Unfortunately that deck would do extremely well vs. this deck in a vacuum. Your best bet would be to snipe the Zurgo before he gets out of hand, which your removal suite should be adept at.

>>95979370
He likes to investigate when there are Magic cards on the floor

>>95979395
can i fuck your cat?

>>95979159
The classic average cmc 4+, 36 land, walking atlas/pupu deck. You never disappoint.

>>95979387
I had to actually check to see why, apparently I have an infinite combo with Bladewing and Molten Echoes for infinite enters/dies triggers. That's sorta neat, so with Dragon Tempest, Terror, or Valkas that's a wincon lmao
>>95979477
I definitely feel like I gotta trim it down some lol
I think Akoum Hellkite is probably too little damage for the input of playing lands, 1 target, 1-2 damage. Roaming Throne making it 2 triggers and Twinflame making it 2-4 damage is neat but that seems like way too much work for that little damage.

Care to explain yourselves?

>>95979528
>explain yourselves
Shit's funny, nothing to elaborate on here.

>>95979528
>No mental fortitude to play silly decks with people joking around
>So instead they go to play online against netdecks
I will never understand this.

>>95979477
>The classic average cmc 4+, 36 land, walking atlas/pupu deck.
Check this out
https://moxfield.com/decks/DADiC72HIE6efupvoMXTgQ

>>95979477
>36 land
this is the correct amount of lands

>>95979528
Reddit is worse than /b/ for made up stories

>>95979528
>no bantz game
kek what a weakling

>>95979602
Wrong

>>95979528
>ahh vandal blast! I can’t taco it any more mako it stop.
>average mexican ff player

Edict-Voltron with an aristocrat subtheme, would it hold up?

>>95979528
I feel like them being comfortable making jokes like that around him is them quickly accepting him? If I was him I would feel even less comfortable if they were squeaky clean around me like they are trying to hide something from me.

>>95976306 (OP)
>TQ
Stop writing it. Fantasy has also been a slop genre and kitchen sink multidimensional fantasy has always been the sloppiest of the slop within in, even before the Disneyfication of it all.

No more stupid stories about sets. Vaguely allude to happenings within it, because the most 99% of Magic players will ever know of Magic lore is the art on the card and the flavor text. The vast majority of players don't care about the story. Stop printing shit that directly references the set's gay writing, printing cards with titles like Tyvar's Stand or Karn's Touch is dumb as hell. You can still have symbolic characters that are carried by design and brief flavor text to appease the lorefags but other than that keep the story vague, put out stellar and evocative art, and let players fill in the story themselves.

>>95979528
That's 100% not racist. If he was actually an immigrant and not just from out of state he would find it funny. I guarantee if they were making jokes about the fact he was from fucking Arizona or wherever he'd be laughing.
>>95979689
This is true, that's how it works. Online you experience this a lot more since you can be in a group with way more literal "diversity" and it just increases the amount of goofy banter about someone being french or from boston or argentina or some shit.

>>95979676
Does Voltron ever?

>>95979708
korvold is the best voltron commander in cedh because a massive flying dragon is a good backup plan

>>95979676
Honestly you could do a lot worse

>>95979738
>could do worse
>posts a cooler commander

>>95979714
Yes it's a good backup plan but not a good primary strategy

>>95979528
I can't excuse this, experienced players should know lands are colorless.

>>95979676
Im building it as a aristocratic/ reanimator/ edict deck. Probably should pick 2 but screw it I need a mono black deck. Sepiroth in the 99 or potentially a alternate commander

>>95979618
My first thought too. Talk smack back. Instead, they bitch on the Internet. Absolute jabroni. Likely a fake story though

Post paper decks. The longer you've played the commander, the better.

>>95978436
>Double down on dropping every concept for 10+ years after introducing it

>voltron
>cedh

>>95976306 (OP)
>TQ: How do we fix Magic's writing?
You really can't at this point without retconning a bunch of stuff
>Write out Kaya, Niko, and whatever other characters the writers use to push their modern-social-political views into the writing.
>Reintroduce the side effects of Phyresis in the walkers, have Jace go full dual personality schizo mode where each other set we see him he is alternating between his normal self and his Phyresis self, each without memory of the other and each working towards two different plans.
The nuclear solution for MTG Lore would be to say that everything since Jace got Compleated has been a figment of his mind projecting futures where they "Kill" Elesh Norn, which all lead to the Omenpaths being the cause of the mulitverses Compleation as they can never completely kill Phyrexia and the paths just give their eventual resurgence easy entry into every plane.

>>95979872
Fun fact. Uril was one of the first cEDH commanders. Voltron might not be good now but it only takes one pushed commander to make a deck work. Just look at Slicer. People used to laugh at aggro in cEDH and then he started topping tournaments.

>>95979834
Should pick up a Gilgamesh and a buster sword at some point

>>95979917
I've been saying this for a while but the thing is, cedh decks are remarkably bad at magic. If they get stopped from comboing off they get run over by Timmy's first aggro deck

>>95979834
Slightly updated list after last night's thread

>>95979944
>all these game changers and yet you can't slide in thoracle consult
bracket 4 is such a no man's land lol

>>95979944
you can smell this picture.

>>95979944
this deck reeks of expensive shit
>>95979993
CoM should be a GC

>>95979944
>$1000 deck
>looks slow as shit

Yes, swordbro is a deck builder with more money than talent, do we really need to point to out every time?

>>95980068
>talent
>solved format

>>95980068
>swordbro
Trip back on

>>95980076
>Commander is a solved format
Don't be a clown

>>95979944
>>95980068
Wow dude we're so impressed seeing the same Chains every single thread

I can't stop playing Boros

>>95979528

>>95980098
Same, at 5 boros decks now

>>95980110
What are your boros decks

>>95979944
Why are people hating? Dimir Artifacts is a cool deck and Golbez is a fun new commander for it.

>>95980122
Tripfag and he posts this deck all the time

>>95975386
Esper is the Scheming Vizier wedge: always a villain, but rarely the main threat

>>95980118
Anim Pakal,
>>95979933 pic related
Three Dog, Pia Nalaar, and Quintorius, Loremaster

>>95980089
cEDH is solved but any other bracket can't be solved

>>95979395
I bought all these books but I never sent in for the cards. Sad!

Any bracket above 2 is cringe

>>95979528
I wish this were real, too bad he's just making it up for attention and reddit points.

>>95980161
truth nuke, game changers are just an objectively good banlist extension

>>95980142
>but any other bracket can't be solved
green ramp is overall the best strat in the lower brackets, and all the more so once primetime and og emrakul are unbanned

>>95980171
finally more anons see the true meaning behind the list

>>95980181
it is a clever way to ban out cards without having the paypigs and investards sperg out.

Who would you run for your equipment deck?

We need auras with living weapon, auras that can fall off of dead creatures instead of going into the graveyard and be reattached to creatures later

>>95980191
the one that steals from other voltards

>>95980171
You can play them, you just have to play them against other sweats.

>>95980198
she cute

>>95980197
thats just equipments with a typeline change at that point

>>95980189
exactly. finally been slowly cashing out my "staples" I have lying around from drafts

>Enchantment - Equipment
>Artifact - Aura
>Enchantment - Vehicle
>Enchantment - Spaceship
>Global Artifact

>>95980189
>>95980181
>>95980171
>>95980161
this is some extreme cringe

>>95980235
bracket 4 kiddie who gets his self worth from pubstomping detected

>>95980244
that's a LOT of retarded words, did you put them together yourself? Sorry you can't play EDH the way we were for decades before JotC got involved.

>>95980244
But I'm not the one complaining my pubstomping tools are limited to a bracket where people can deal with them?

>>95980244
>only the cards on the gamechanger list are broken
lmao remember when Necropotence didn't make it on the list?

>>95979917
>>95979941
Bracket 2 fantasy hour

The list gets bigger every day. Tick tock. Steal those wins while you still can.

man, rules committee taking the bullet by banning jew lot and friends was the best thing that happened to this format in forever because it ripped the bandaid off for more healthy bans that we got shortly after

>>95980276
we haven't gotten a single ban since then all we got were unbans

>>95980235
sorry cEDHlet we actually enjoy commander as god intended it

I go to lgs and I play my decks and sometimes my opponents have powerful cards sometimes even gamechangers and we all go whooooaaaa wow and then someone casts removal on it, and maybe they dont and maybe the GC player wins maybe he doesnt. It's not very hard to enjoy EDH unless you're a WAAC fag

>>95980279
game changers are a soft banlist

>>95980266
Ahh good times. got to pubstomp so many games with necro legal in tier 2. that's all the brackets are good for after all. using the most broken shit that they missed

>>95980191
I would use the +30 year old hag cat >>95977441

>>95980288
Nothing is stopping you from playing them beyond cowardice of playing against people you can't pubstomp

>>95980291
I wish she'd sit on my face. Posting for a friend.

>>95979127
>>95979163
Samefag.

>>95980289
>that's all the brackets are good for after all. using the most broken shit that they missed
you make this sound like a bad thing

>>95980285
>commander as it was played before wotc got involved isn't how god intended it
how weird, brackets are an entirely jews of the coast thing. Do you get paid to shill?
>>95980288
>gamechangers are a [headcanon]
opinion discarded, you were probably that guy playing "7s" at your LGS that were actually 4s.

>>95980297
I said good times tho

>>95980291
what does her cock smell like? asking for swordbro

>>95980299
>original commander philosophy page states the format is best when its not broken intentionally by the players
>brackets helps fix this

Did you just start playing because of marvel or what anon?

>>95980310
>brackets help fix this
do you
get paid
to shill?

>>95979528
>have to clarify this is real
>have to clarify you're not generalizing
>have to clarify that you don't mind your post being deleted
>have to establish your own personal history
>THEN you can talk about the thing that upset you
God that site is hell.

>>95980310
>original commander philosophy page
What level of fanfiction is this lmao

>>95980315
>no argument

If I attack with a mobilize card and one that requires a creature to be sacrificed to trigger an ability, like Sephiroth (Whenever attacks, may sacrifice a creature), can I sacrifice the warrior that gets made to pay for the other cards ability?

>>95980329
>Necropotence wasn't considered a gamechanger til everyone reminded them it exists
>this is a reliable list of what is "broken" in commander
hahhaaha hope the 1c is worth your dignity
>>95980334
Order the triggers so Mobilize resolves first, creating the token, then resolve Sephiroth since it doesn't target so the creature doesn't have to exist until you're choosing if you're gonna do it or not.

>>95980334
you can stack the triggers so the token gets created first to be sacrificed to the second ability, I believe

>>95980343
>hahhaaha hope the 1c is worth your dignity
Amigo, you can reliably play Necro on turn 1 with one simple trick

looks like we got a bunch of /pol/-tards containment breaching today. good thing WOTC and the community at larger rejects them.

>>95980343
And they fixed it, so irrelevant. Still no argument.

>>95980367
It summer anon, it will be like this for another 2 months

>>95980369
>>95980364
>explain WHY it should have been on the first, admittedly extremely biased list
>And they fixed it, so irrelevant
2c

>>95980367
found the r/mtg poster

>>95980367
Shut the fuck up redditard. This is MMTGGA country.

>>95980367
Its the same retard that was defending being a pedo last thread. He comes in, picks a fight about something idiotic and then just sits around all day arguing.

>>95980405
you will never be a man

>>95980343
>>95980350
Thanks bros

>>95980367
Terese Nielsen did nothing wrong.

>>95980431
And you always will be <3

>>95980234
>Global Artifact
Technically already exists

>>95980367
>t. pinkertons

>>95980273
>he wasn't around to play original EDH
I honestly feel bad for modern EDH players

I've come to realize the game just isn't fun.
What I actually enjoyed was playing with friends. Playing public games is like playing public D&D (very fitting, given how both are WotC products). All it does is expose you to how people are genuinely just terrible at the game to the point they can be spoonfed every advantage and still flounder it, then instead of learning how to play better they'll just blame their opponents for playing an "OP deck".
>Yeah I curved out Rhystic study but you played Izzet and had a win condition that took 20 mana and 4 cards when you had no mana-positive effects, so I'm just going to direct everything at you the entire game even while I'm getting raped on board by Grave Pact and Burglar Rats being recurred twice a turn.
Yeah okay maybe I'll go play cEDH since it's allegedly the format people are trying to win-
>Kinnan player trying to act like a smol bean and wastes literally ten minutes trying to politic instead of passing priority because he overplayed his hand and got fucked
Even here, the general seems to be in a perpetual state of new/casual players that just don't understand basic abstraction of game concepts. I see people online asking for "spicy Breach lines" in their casual decks and the result is just a cEDH line that swaps Thoracle for Jace. No matter what I think is "fair/fun" there's always someone else who is new enough that doing an Underworld Breach loop is novel instead of played out. So much shit in this game gets defended with the most pisspoor excuses like "well you're just not appreciating the casual experience" as I see someone tutor for their infinite in bracket 2 and somehow it's okay because it "just" makes them infinite mana instead of winning the game so it's not "really" a combo.
It feels like games are more exercises in mental gymnastics than actually playing the game. It's a contest to see who can bitch out the other players while defending their own deck. I just don't find this fun.

>>95980486
play bracket 2

>>95980480
I miss playing with bad cards

>>95980490
I do. People still whine and mismatches are constant. It might be better than bracket 3 but it's not up to the threshold I would begin to consider as potentially fun.

>>95980486
Thanks for the blog posts, Beans. Hope you find somewhere to play your Cloud deck in peace.

>>95980517
>People still whine and mismatches are constant
that's because too many people don't take it seriously enough (blame gavin's pussyfooting on that)
the more brackets are treated as formats the better things will be

>>95977423
Why are you acting like this is a new development? They said this months and months ago at this point. Maybe even a year ago. There's no value in doing universe within. There never was.

>>95980537
they've barely done any UW reprints so how would they have any real metrics for that?

>>95978793
I'm still surprised by how little fan art for the game there is. I can't help but think there must be pockets with it somewhere that I'm not seeing because otherwise it's strange to think a game that's gone on this long doesn't have more active fan art.

>>95979917
I think making memes of your pet commanders is cute and I want to do it but I can't think of any memes current enough to base it on, and Know Your Meme front page is garbage no one's ever heard of :(

>>95980537
What planet are you on? They literally just UW'd the D&D movie Secret Lair like 2 months ago.
And it's more tenuous but the entire Spider-Man UB is getting UW'd on Arena because Disney wouldn't license them for digital trading cards.

>>95980566
Some Vorthos basically explained why last thread. Essentially the writing is shit and the characters are unattractive. Characters will disappear for years at a time with no hints to if/when they're ever coming back so it's very hard for people to get invested in personalities when R&D will take a shit on them anyway if they want to use the characters as a plot device to rework a plane.

>>95980598
>And it's more tenuous but the entire Spider-Man UB is getting UW'd on Arena
Absolutely zero motherfucking reason to not print those cards I'm gonna be so mad if they're Arena-exclusive

>>95980598
>Spiderman set can't be in Arena
>WoTC has an entire huge Marvel set coming too, also won't be in Arena
hahahahaha suck it based Disney lawyers giving the players the UW we deserve

>>95977423
I've worked in market research before, and I can tell you with a degree of certainty that this is bullshit, and at best a case of purposefully worthless research. Basically all market research I ran was very obviously rigged by the way the research was ran. Extremely common in the market research industry. As an example of the kind of nonsense that goes on in market research, I've run surveys where we required the surveyed person to only answer with a set of given answers, and only gave them the option of responding to something positively. Internally, our surveyors could accept negative answers, but only if the surveyed answered with a hyper-specific option that the surveyors weren't allowed to tell them, and generally did not match the verbiage of the rest of the proffered answers. So when we told them we couldn't accept their answer of "very negative" or what have you because they didn't say the magic words of "I greatly disliked this" which they were not told they could say, they would either curse us out or hang up themselves, either of which would cause the survey to become invalid and tossed away, therefore the result of that question would come out as "Consumers were 100% positive on this issue." I shit you not. The reason corporations do market research is not to actually benefit from the results of it, but rather so they can show shareholders and consumers that the thing they are doing that obviously nobody likes but happens to be profitable, is "actually beloved" by consumers.

If a corporation ever tells you that something that is obviously unpopular is popular, or vise versa, you can solidly be assured that it is complete bullshit.
That said, whether or not rosewater knows the truth of this is unclear. Frankly he is a tricky enough bastard that I am sure he does, but a lot of corporation does not necessarily know that the market research is bullshit.

>>95980607
That does explain things. Named "important to the story" characters suck and the one off creature you like and build a deck around will probably never have anything else related to it again. And this game doesn't really have the generic cards that almost any deck can play and get attached to the way stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh does with Zeus or whatever. Odd how having a story makes the game less likely to get fan art. I wonder if they had just done away with written story and instead had implications and hints here and there of a larger world in flavor text or card art things may have gone over better.

What is the most fun number of colours for your commander to have?

>>95980619
I could see them selling them as a Secret Lair since they're going to have to pay artists and have someone reword all the fucking cards anyway. But I can't imagine them releasing a set twice (Double Feature, lol) because they're basically competing with themselves. Anyone who bought the cards first time isn't going to buy them again just for new art, and Wizards keeps saying "fuck anyone who doesn't like UB"

Personally I think the latter thing is a marketing lie they're telling. I think they're going out of their way to not compromise with people who dislike UB in the hopes that they will all cave and eat the slop they're given. UB fatigue will hit one day, and then suddenly Wizards will start trying to win back all the people they shit on when UB was their flagship.

>>95980598
>just UW'd the D&D movie Secret Lair like 2 months ago
Yes, and that took two years and they only did it through some limited event. And they haven't printed anything else. They already said Arena is only getting it because of difficulties in releases. Presumably that means they can get print rights but apparently likenesses in digital media is some other bag? Either way that's not really word that we're getting it in paper. I'm not saying it wouldn't be profitable if they did to universes within, but clearly Wizards doesn't want to do it and they're set on this point.

>>95980673
Red and white

>>95980674
>But I can't imagine them releasing a set twice (Double Feature, lol) because they're basically competing with themselves
wow it's almost like it was a completely shit idea in the first place, whoda thunk??? There HAS to be some corporate-level market research that shows "even if we cannibalize our own sales the total sales will outpace the Arena-only sales". There's no way some C-suite MBA bro didn't pitch that idea

>>95980367
Where do you think you are right now

>>95980660
That does explain a lot. I always assumed they would choose hyper specific customers to gather their response from that they knew would positively react to anything they did and used those warped results to express the larger market. Like only ever interviewing long time customers who regularly buy everything. Guess they have other tricks as well to bloat the numbers they want.

>>95980661
Maybe, but even YGO has a handful of iconic monsters that routinely get supported while Magic ties support more to colors and play patterns. We don't see "Niv-Mizzet" support. We see "Izzet (color) spellslinger" support which has generally just been an uncohesive mess thematically even when Magic was sticking exclusively to vaguely fantasy-themed sets, because the only thing tying all the cards together is gameplay function.

>>95980673
2-3 is the sweet spot for me it gives more variety in your options while still being narrow enough to chase a definitive gameplan
4-5c usually loses its focus and becomes generic goodstuff piles or worse tribal
mono colour can be fun but it also feels super narrow and i think the only mono colour decks ive ever enjoyed have been blue or red

>>95980675
>clearly Wizards doesn't want to do it and they're set on this point.
Hasbro execs don't want to do it. It's all marketing bullshit. UB was a billion dollar idea, literally selling cards as ad-space.
Currently Wizards is trying to create the illusion that NOT liking UB is a fringe position, they keep saying how making UB legal in all formats wasn't opposed enough so they just did it, demand for UW isn't high enough so they're not going to do it, Final Fantasy is the best selling set of all time even though WPN stores all claimed to have received less stock of it than they did of normal sets.

In the not too distant future, players will grow tired. They will be tired of the endless hype train, they will be tired of IPs they don't care about getting entire sets, they will be tired of the declining quality and increasing prices- and when that happens WotC will suddenly come round on Universes Within, they will start framing it as giving players more choice and more opportunities to get their hands on otherwise limited cards etc etc

Whichever way the wind blows, Hasbro execs will point their dicks.

>>95980674
>UB fatigue will hit one day
I'm going to be honest man, I don't see this happening. Especially when the alternative is more of the "Magic" they've been putting out. With the kind of shit they've been doing over the years and characters no one gives a shit about and the course it's been going, I almost feel UB will end up preferable.

>>95980720
>I'm going to be honest man, I don't see this happening
People said the same thing about Marvel-fatigue in theaters and it definitely hit. Helps that Disney starting shitting out inferior movies over and over but the hype machine is 100% gone

>>95980720
>I'm going to be honest man, I don't see this happening.
This year is Avengers 1, my friend. The UB slop train has only just left the station. There will be years of it to come, but the burnout is inevitable. No matter how popular something is, you can't just keep doing it forever and even if it's just by sheer over-exposure players are going to get bored of UB and suddenly Wizards will be pushing in-universe only sets as a breath of fresh air. Screen cap this and get back to me in about 5 years.

>>95980720
UB fatigue will also never "set in" because of the fags that will buy something just because of the property they use. There's a huge fanbase for Squibbly Jim and the Jerkoff Boys, so the precons and pack will sell and some may stick around for "Next Thing" while others will just be happy with wetting their toes on a card game and being done with it.

>>95980727
But that's movies? Movie interest comes in waves. People lose interest in themes and the theme of supers was and is waning. I'd think cardgames are a different beast, They aren't selling you something you have to sit through for two and a half hours doing nothing. It's card art and mechanics that are play pieces.

Do you notice how when a bunch of anons post their decks, only Swordbro gets replies? Makes you think.

>>95980710
What you say is also a part of it. It is pretty easy to target invested customers only. As an example of that, we had done surveys targeted at people who had bought a specific brand of car, and asked them their feelings on that brand, to which the result was positive, because how many people are gonna spend tens of thousands of dollars on a car brand they don't like?
It is full of that shit, these examples are really just the most blatant ones. Sometimes the manipulation is much more subtle, screening for how they feel about related ideas to what they want tested, and then if those come out negative, to simply terminate the survey and never even ask them about the thing in question.

>>95980731
Hell, maybe you are right. There are planes I'd like to see revisited that probably won't as long as every other set is UB. But the way i see it, there is also just the possibility that the game fully invests in becoming a western version of those crossover card games like Union Arena or Weiss Schwarz. Games kept afloat by their crossovers but with the stability of being such a massive almost too big to fail name in the card game market. I could see a world where the fatigue never comes in because the new player base the crossovers bring in keeps things afloat. Sure, a good chunk of them may leave after enough sets not from the thing they like come, but the influx of new players and the few that stay every set will keep things afloat. Or at least that's my guess of things.

>>95980736
>But that's movies? Movie interest comes in waves.
>Consumerism is entirely different depending on the medium
Lol. Lmao even.
Human nature doesn't change. While something is new it's exciting, the longer it goes on the less appealing it is.
You cannot name a single product that has stayed exactly the same for 3 decades without changing its gimmick or its advertizing strategy or trying to capture a different audience.

There will be books on marketing at your local library anon, they're usually free to join. Highly recommend you take a look at one some time.

>>95980749
>I could see a world where the fatigue never comes in because the new player base the crossovers bring in keeps things afloat.
People who come for "IP I know" will lose interest when it's "IP I don't know". If you're marketing to players who show interest based on whose face is on the card and not the game mechanics, when they don't like the face they don't like the game.

>>95977423
Maro is 100% correct when he says this, the people who want within printings probably make up less than 5% of the playerbase

>>95980566
There is more fanart than you think but less than you expect from a game of this size

>>95980713
Mono color decks are pretty streamlined by nature but I enjoy that about them. No detours to get lost on you just do the plan.

>>95980739
The last time I posted my deck I had people asking if I was clinically retarded

>>95977370
I had a lot of success with this guy a few months back. Probably one of my favorite decks in a long while.

>>95980770
You are falling for a marketing strategy that is intended to make the less profitable option sound fringe and therefore unconsciously you will distance yourself from it.
If there is any market for UW why would a company not cater to those people?

One of the most baffling things about the whole UB saga is watching how incredibly anti-consumer people get, desperately trying to suck off a corporation
>"I think UB is bad for the health of the game"
>"REEEEEE IT MAKES HASBRO A BILLION DOLLARS!!!! BEST SELLING SET OF ALL TIME!!!!! GUESS YOU WERE WRONG CHUD!!!!!"
As if the health of the game is measured in sales. Fucking psychos.

>>95980712
>the only thing tying all the cards together is gameplay function.
True. That's probably a large part of it. Effectively leaves us with a function vs function situation and it's harder to get attached to just a function rather than a character and group. If they had a few connective themes characters that worked together between them I could see some gathering around them and doing art for them.

>>95980782
This is the reason I stopped. I have a lot of fun/super casual decks that both I love to play and my friends like to play against. Posted one on here and it was nothing but insults. So, okay cool yeah never posting any decks again

>>95980797
>can't handle bantz on /edhg/
Skill issue

>>95980607
I'd kill to have more lore relevant goblins.

>>95980782
Well are you?
>>95980797
>>>/reddit/

>>95980797
>>95980782
>>95980739
>less brave than fucking swordfag

>>95980776
That's the way it's felt. Like I'm sure there must be out there, I'm just not looking in the right places for it and not seeing it anywhere I usually look.

>>95980802
There's a difference between banter and people telling me I'm bad at Magic and should throw away my decks and never play again and I'm a worthless piece of shit.

>>95980807
It's easy for him to be brave when he just replies to himself.

>>95980805
According to the uk government, yes
>>95980807
Im not less brave I posted it.
I was just making a statement

>>95980776
There's very little porn of it, I can tell you that.

Anyway, I want to draw memes of my commanders but I can't find any memes that feel right to base it on. If you have suggestions that will kind of be fan art.

>>95980820
>According to the uk government, yes
Well it takes one to know one I suppose.

>>95980818
>It's easy for him to be brave when he just replies to himself.
>>95979993
>>95980000
>>95980017
>>95980036
yeah these look like samefagging

>>95980797
A lot of people don't like random deck posting because there's not much to do with it. Unless you're looking for advice or demonstrating something legitimately really cool, all we can do is look at the cards glassy eyed or kvetch about what's wrong with it.

You need a thicker skin.

Speaking of: I need cuts for land, my catgirl is too fat:
https://archidekt.com/decks/4836920/your_life_ends_five_turns_from_now_balan_wandering_knight

Help me kill my darlings will you? Two cuts would be best.

>>95980817
You mostly need to be looking at twitter and other sites
I keep posting stuff from
https://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=magic%3A_the_gathering+-official_art+&pid=0

>>95980827
Which commanders you thinking?

>>95980817
>people telling me I'm bad at Magic and should throw away my decks and never play again
Quality banter. Arch Bishop of Banterbury. Bantosaurus Rex. Prince Banty and Megan Giggle

>>95980607
Correct. Final Fantasy writing was never stellar and the games weren't great to play even in their prime but Square was top tier at character design. Characters like Tifa have simple but memorable designs and are drawn as absolute semen demons so they gained a fandom. Wizards has always had terrible generic fantasycliche designs and they're far past their prime for character concepts, Loot is ample proof of that. The only Wizards adjacent character that's caught on with any sort of popularity in the last 10-15 years is Shadowhart from BG3, and even then she was created by Larian and she's just mildly popular.

Add in that every set is a disjointed mess that takes place on different planes where a bunch of the long running characters might not even show up and you have a recipe for disaster. No one gives a fuck about MTG outside of its card game aspect. It's a 30 year old franchise, one of the most popular TCGs in the world, has millions of players, and yet it has always had absolutely as close to zero pop culture impact and footprint as possible. League of Legends went from being a WC3 mod to having a highly successful show. The cannibal incest siblings from an indie RPG Maker tier game (The Coffin Of Andy and Leyley) have more fan love and pop culture impact than Magic has ever generated.

It's not wonder WOTC is relying on UB to try and generate hype for their product. They've consistently failed to do so themselves for 30+ years now.

>>95980840
I suppose if I saw a meme that was amusing or cute I'd put a commander to it. But maybe
>Eriette of the Charmed Apple
>Ivy Gleeful Spell Thief
>Ashling Flame Dancer
>Drana & Linvala

I really ought to just make a new image with all my current commanders. We used to post them.

>>95980817
That's kind of the way banter works on this site. For example, you post your work on /ic/ and you'll be told to break your hands and ngmi. It's just the way things go. Don't take it too personal.

>>95980857
Yeah, it's just lads having a bit of banter, allow me to demonstrate:

>>95980837
>I need cuts
Start with your fucking wrists.

>>95980849
>Final Fantasy writing was never stellar and the games weren't great to play even in their prime
>admitting to being an underage on 4chan

>>95980837
>like 32 lands
rofl your deck needs a lot more than cuts

>>95980849
>Final Fantasy writing was never stellar and the games weren't great to play even in their prime
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid zoomer

>>95980795
>falling for the marketing strategy

It is fringe, even a lot of the "core" mtg audience doesn't give a shit about within printings.

>If there is any market for UW why would a company not cater to those people?

WOTC has limited bandwidth all companies do no matter the size or the backing parent company and so they put all its bandwitdh into what makes the most money (UB) and not printing the same cards for a whole set everytime for vorthostards that make up 1% of the product buyers.

>>95980837
Does The Aetherspark pay off for you? I've been wanting to add it to a deck or two but every time I'm left wondering if it would carry it's weight. Besides that, since you're playing a cheat equipment cost commander I would suggest trying this out. The direct damage it potentially gives you can be pretty useful.

>>95980849
>some of the most popular RPGs of all time
>literally put Squaresoft on the map
>these games weren't good btw even though they still have ritualistic followings even 30 years later
you are
a fag

>>95980837
Wait, Myriad Landscape? Why are you running that? I'd really suggest just playing an extra plains over it. Or any of the white ramp stuff like Archeomancer's Map or Gift Of Estates. Anything else but that.

>>95980897
It's a new addition, I can't say for sure yet. Since I can magnet it on I can keep the draw/mana options open until main 2, or try to build it on weenies before Balan comes down.

>>95980890
34 lands. I can make due with 36 but I got ahead of myself with recent additions, hence the need for cuts.

>>95980912
That's fair. It's a remnant from when the deck was much more budget and I was still learning; I'll get it out of there.

>>95980879
When I'm done cutting cards I'll cut you next.

>>95980896
>we couldn't possibly cater to all our consumers!!! we only have limited bandwith okay??? do you know how expensive it is to print on cardboard??? and we have to pay our artists $1000 whole dollars per card!!!!
>now buy this Secret Lair exclusively themed around left-handed single-mother refugee women of color working in STEM
You fell for the marketing, anon.

>>95980928
>I can make due
Make do.

>>95980901
>>these games weren't good btw even though they still have ritualistic followings even 30 years later
Yes actually. If appeal to popularity meant anything you'd have to concede that The Minecraft Movie was a cinematic masterpiece.

Final Fantasy was a game series in a genre that wester developers hadn't had much success with. It was novel to a western audience, stood out compared to other games, and now the boomers who are pathologically nostalgic for their childhood continue to talk about it. What more is there to say?

>>95980949
yuo nkow waht I maent.

>>95980959
Due I?

>>95980445
doesn't have the global type that ensures there can only be one

>>95980987
shit is that what it means? It was before my time, I thought "global" meant it affects all players and not just your side of the battlefield

>>95980994
Yes, when you play Concordant Crossroads, if there's any global enchantment on the field it gets destroyed.

>>95980997
>>95980987
My bad, I meant WORLD enchantment not global. Please sudoku me at your earleist convenience.

>>95980739
He literally samefags. He's a tripfag in 2025, do you think he isn't starved for attention?

>>95980794
who is this guy

>>95981015
There's no positive replies, and people like you seem amped to give him shit.

>>95980956
God damn you're a fucking idiot

>>95977773
It's crazy how Rashel is blatant AI generated art but nobody gives a fuck anymore.

>>95981019
Dalakos, Crafter of Wonders

>>95981044
There's so much ugly in the art that I think most just passed it by completely and didn't bother stopping to realize just how much is AI too. Also probably helped by it's release being a limited event too.

Im baking new, we're almost at 500 that's good enough.

>>95981087
>page 6
Don't do it

>>95981087
Good. Waiting never made sense anyway.

>>95981094
Tis done
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>>95980901
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>>95980887

>6
>magicite and custom character building locked away until hours into the game
>dozens of characters
>4 are heads and shoulders better than the rest

>7
>materia system
>potentially interesting combos
>takes hours upon hours to master just one to create copies to make combos with
>all the best materia is locked away in the last 25% of the game making grinding even more tedious and useless

>8
>draw magic
>junction it to improve your stats
>actively punished for casting magic because it lowers your stats
>summoning GFs can sometimes take literal minutes just to get through an animation

>9
>fucking trance

>10
>7 characters
>can only have 3 on the field at a time even though you can actively swap them out
>if 3 on the field die the other 4 just stare at their corpses and give up
>sphere grid makes anything but 3 characters irrelevant and flavorless anyways

Also, for all the above:
>99% of the time you will just use the Attack command

The gameplay of golden age FF was not good boom booms, even by 90s standard. It was a series built on the 90s anime boom, lack of console competition for RPGs, great music, and top tier aesthetics. There's a reason why Square abandoned the menu system in favor of making FF's pseudo-ARPGs as soon as the 2000s brought in actual competition and the anime boom cooled and they had to rely on making games people actually wanted to play (which they mostly failed to do: post FFX games have never had the same reception or popularity VI-X had).

>>95981129
>dude appeal to popularity in cringe
>THEN THEY STOPPED MAKING THE GAMES PEOPLE LIKED AND MADE SHITTIER GAMES
>this is why those games are bad
3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, and 10 are still among the best written and greatest jrpgs of all time.

>>95981267
>3
>writing

>>95980896
do you have proof it's fringe or is it just something you feel is true?

>>95980896
>WOTC has limited bandwidth
HAH! That's why every new rare and mythic rare gets an alternative artwork these days?

Besides, just because, say, 70% of your customers like a product doesn't mean you only sell that one product. If you're big enough the other 30% are still a lot of potential profit.

>>95977370
I kinda want to build the RG Barret with most of the living weapon stuff, especially the For Mirrodin! ones. Is it the best? Almost certainly not. But I think it could be fun.

>>95978969
The liquids give it a much better sense of movement (especially the raised goblet in Gallia's hand, compared it to the fist in the finished version and you can clearly tell the difference in sense of motion), and the satyrs dancing and drinking in the background makes for a livelier party, with their hands on the shoulder of the one in front really giving the impression that they're dancing together in tune with music rather than the random scattering of people in the final version. Gallia is also somewhat curvier, giving her a more distinct outline compared to the dude.

>>95980770
yet they print for other minorities