Thread 95986828

Ok, some changes happened edition

>Bans (New)
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025

>News
The 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:
https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule

>Spoilers
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https://mythicspoiler.com/

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>What is EDH?
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>WotC's War Crimes
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>Previously
>>95983731

>TQ
Thoughts on the B&R? Do you feel like playing Standard?

>>95986828 (OP)
I am fucking delighted at the changes
We'll see how things go after this + rotation. I might end up playing roots or something similar, I dunno. Either way I can do with a slower format

>>95986828 (OP)
retvrn to jace

now that the dust has settled, did beanstalk deserve its ban?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpd9KA_FymQ [Embed]
11 minutes in
>It's a give a mouse a cookie kind of scenario, you ban every deck in the format and now there's just going to be another crop of best decks, and what do you do, ban those too? We're just going to see the next boogeyman come up, and with this ban culture, everyone just gets their pitchforks for the next card they lose too many times to

He's not wrong

White players are such babies

>>95986854
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>>95986828 (OP)
What's the matter? I thought the format was flourishing when all these cards were legal just last banlist.

>>95986851
Absolutely. It closes off the entire field of alternate costs by making every single one of them replace themselves and with Warp being the set mechanic for EoE it was ripe for abuse. It was fucking banned in Modern for that sort of shit.

>open banlist
>"Jadine" clomparins
Ugh.

>>95986828 (OP)
>TQ
Worst B&R ever, probably. Will take a lot of the fun out of Standard and $200 down the drain that I spent on my deck.
No

>>95986882
what was it, monored aggro? Zur?

>TQ
Best one in years, at least for standard. Anyone who can look at the pro tour results and disagree is retarded or disingenuous.

>>95986828 (OP)
the funniest part was people insisting that mtg was somehow balanced. what the fuck, the hololive card game was (and probably still is) more balanced than standard

>>95986890
Jund Leyline

DemonCHADS, how we feeling?

Is Gruul Delirium the go-to aggro deck now?

>>95986901
lmfao

Okay, Vivi aside, which FF cards are gonna have their chance to shine after this banning? My money's on Yuna reanimator, maybe some Tifa jank.

REJOY AND LAUGH AT RED FAGGOTS
STANDARD SAVED I REPEAT STANDARD SAVED

>>95986854
>top deck is power level 80, second is power level 40, third is power level 35
>if we ban the top deck there will still be a top deck so there's no point
sasuga

Here's your new meta

>TQ
there is no such thing as a B&R announcement that deals with more than a small handful of cards that's good news. It either signifies something deeply wrong with the most recent releases, or something deeply wrong with the team that's supposed to handle bannings in the first place. Probably both, in this instance.

Finally, powerful wh*te decks....

>>95986990
>Boros Mice
No fucking way and i mean
NO. FUCKING. WAY.

get ready for stock up meta

>swapped out steel cutter for dreadmaws ire
>Upped Drake Hatcher and wild ride to 4x
>Deck plays exactly the fucking same
We really fixed magic with this one

>>95986854
Unless the bans result in an +80% dominance by a single archetype across two decks, he is wrong.

The bans are not the problem, the fact they designed standard to be such a gigantic mess it needed those bans is the problem

>>95987011
>blue glue thrown in to make it work
Bluekikes utterly obsessed with becoming white, clearly stealing vigilance wasn’t enough

Interesting puzzlebros....

>>95986854
>Jim Davis
>Dogshit takes
Like peanut butter and jelly

>>95986990
Give it a month before Omni is the top deck again.

>>95987022
>>swapped out steel cutter for dreadmaws ire
??????

>>95987050
all the 5 mana reanimator cards are rotating anyway lol

>>95987050
How? The two most similar versions of enchantment reanimation (for 5MV) rotate out in a month, Yuna is a creature + end step so any jank has to be done at instant speed or else they gotta let you untap, manifest dread + blink is a high-roll meme.

>>95987037
If youre white and you dont have some blue in you, then youre not really white...

why there is so many trannies at wotc?

>>95986854
>Jimbo "Lazy Players" Davis
Refuse to see anything of this faggot dogshit player until he apologizes.

>>95987037
Mindbroken

>>95987068
diversity hires

>>95986854
What did he want, no bans ever? Retarded.

>>95987040
The Standard RCQs in my city aren't firing, and the Standard FNM at the largest game store here gets 4 players tops. They got 5 for the first time last week so one player got a bye.

>>95987068
it is still very trendy in leftist industries to hire trannies + it's also very trendy to be trans in leftist circles, so the result is a lot of them

>my draft opponet draws bombs
>me i draw FUCK ALL
FUCK THIS DISGUSTING NIGGER GAME

>>95987078
Kikebroken

Lightning and FOMO, trust the plan

>>95986828 (OP)
>TQ
Depends on how good frogs are going to be. I'm not sure how they're gonna play into a graveyard/oculus-heavy format. I doubt I'll get anything interesting out of Edge of Eternities unless it's insects.

>>95987093
thatll be 1500 gems thankyou :)

>>95987098
lol

>>95987022
Assuming you mean Dreadmaw's Ire for Monstrous Rage, not only do you lose 1 strength (relevant considering its combo with double strike was the most problematic part) but it doesn't keep the token, so another pip less and no trample. Drake Hatcher was always fringe at best and Wild Ride is doesn't give trample and it's sorcery speed, so completely telegraphed. More than anything, there's no CSC replacement (Planisphere, lmao) which is what made Izzet Prowess go from a meme to tier zero, so there's very little room to claim it'll remain playable, let alone top dog, Vivi notwithstanding.

>>95987086
Oy vey goyim don’t you know that standard is now flourishing even more than ever today? It was already an interesting puzzle but now it can flourish even more! Standard is flourishing! Standard? STANDARDD!!!! PLEASE PLAY WITH UB CARDS!! WE PAID SO MANY SHEKELS FOR THESE IP’S!!!

>>95987110
I can see room for a Vivi deck somewhere, but it's definitely going to be completely different from the Izzet Prowess we know.

>>95987098
This card is obscenely overpowered

>>95987122
dies to cut down

>>95987150
Cut Down is rotating out fairly soon

So mountains are now banned and we are back to the absolute shit pile of Midrange/Overvalue 1h games we were stuck before kiddos cry about fast kills? What a shit.

>>95987154
dies to disfigure

>>95987172
go play gruul delirium, should still work

I'm a simple man. There's mtg balancing news, I turn to Patrick Sullivan
>But he's a leftist retard
I don't care.

>>95987172
>zoom zoom absolutely losing his mind after playing a game that lasted longer than a tiktok short

>Plots Slickshot Show-Off
FIVE. MORE. YEARS.

June has been a hard month nothinghappens bros.

>WotC creates problem cards because they are shit at card design
>they eventually ban some of the cancer (that they created)
>redditors clap their hands together and preorder another case The Blacked Onions Limited Edition Secret Lair (foil)
What's this strategy called? Battered Housewife-style business?

Thread Survey

When was the last time you genuinely had fun playing MTG?

>>95987219
The economic term is "captive market"

>>95987223
Limited is occasionally still fun. But constructed? It's been literal years.

>>95987223
I must admit i had fun with Town+Nightmares in Dimir, now both cards are banned and my fun dead.

>>95987054
>Cheap trample enabling pump spell to get drake Hatcher online
It's really not that hard to get, anon

>>95987223
I actually have never played

>>95987223
Fun?

>>95987206
show-off rotates in 2027

>>95987223
Yesterday

>>95987223
2018.
Christ.

>>95987219
You can say this about anything WotC has done since forever.
>Creates an entire world that people love
>Drops it for literally 10 years
>Redditors clap their hands when WotC picks it back up, only to completely change it and character assassinate everyone who lived there

>Problem cards reach critical mass to the point game design has warped around them
>WotC is too afraid to do a banlist because the problem cards have existed too long
>Redditors clap their hands when the game gets split into yet more formats

WotC as a company perfectly embodies trying to please everyone and in the process making nobody happy. The game has perpetually existed in a state of "flawed but showing promise" for 30 years because they never commit to any direction, likely because if they did it would out them as incompetent.

IVE FOUGHT AGAINST TWO FUCKING SEPHIROTHS IN DRAFT WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS GOING ON

>>95987184
Also rotating, replaced by Stab.

>>95987223
Last year, when the friend who got me back into the game after 25 years of hiatus lost his battle against depression and took his own life.

>>95986828 (OP)
>tq
standard is wide open right now

>>95987288
You had fun when he killed himself?

>>95987223
I think I had fun clobbering an eldrazi commander deck with Blex back in 2021. If we're talking about real Magic, it was something like a few months before Dominaria came out. Throwing around really stupid modern decks with friends using old archetypes that rotated years ago was a ton of fun. Drafting was also much more enjoyable when commons and uncommons were a lot simpler.

>>95987223
3 weeks ago playing our pauper league's top 8

>>95987288
>Game gets so bad that he kills himself
What is WOTC's rebuttal?

>>95987206
dies to shock

>>95987300
He was a mouse player, honestly he deserved worse

>>95987300
I had fun playing with him. The entire playgroup fell apart once he left.

>>95987306
Probably a nothingburger PR statement trying to milk it for optics.

>>95987305
>he is pooptuguese

>>95987223
Every time I play hungy kitty in pio.

>>95987223
Yesterday. Haven't played today yet.

>>95987223
I have fun playing this Girl.

>>95987223
a couple days ago at a commander night with my crackas and then hearing he posted on preddit afterwards

>>95987223
I only have fun when winning. And because I only play shitbrews of my own design, fun is a sporadic achievement.

>>95987372
>Cummander
Ewwwww

>>95987372
wtf is a flag deck

>>95987385
This. This game is for WINNING only.

after playing a couple of matches: mono red is still very good

>>95986851
No. What's deserved is making the CMC of a spell always equal to the amount of mana spent to cast it. But without changing that, or at least impending, yes, it needed to get banned.

>>95987393
it was in the original post.
tldr he got offended people pointed out his commander had the same color identity than his country flag

>>95987098
>no haste
Worthless. Would've been a 50 dollar card in 2013 though

>>95987414
>among constant references to tacos and quesadillas

>>95987414
Ultra mega kek. Filthy spic ass greaser wetback beaner shitskin got what he deserved.

the BIG, BEAUTIFUL, BAN!

Is incredible how good Yuna is when you can past turn 3...

>>95987414
Boggles the mind the way these people lionize this kind of weakness.

>>95987414
Deport all troonmander players and all beaners

>>95987223
Final Fantasy themed low powered cube

>>95987414
>instead of saying "shut up", having a spine, or having any amount of social conflict I've decided I'll just be a shut in forever abloobloo
Redditors are so fucking pathetic, Christ.

>>95987068
Pacific Northwest is full of trannies and wignats, and the White nationalists don't want to work office jobs

>want to play AMERICAN control
>no reason to splash red outside of helix
Bros...I think I miss my UWR Ultimatum amd Narset

>>95987414
This must be the thinnest-skinned Mexican in history. Gotta be a chicano.

Is mono W tokens cancer back?

>>95987472
Shiko is pretty good. I have a janky deck built around flickering her and Flamehold Grappler.

>>95987414
BASED commander players

>>95987472
Jeskai control is very good with Shiko

>>95987472
Shiko is great anon

>>95987483
>is mono white back
Lmao it was never here. Down in the bottom barrel 0.00005% of the meta as always.

Does Mono Black get to come back out of the cave?

Everyone's talking about the Standard bans, but what's really fucked up is no bans in Pioneer, Modern, Legacy, or Vintage.

>>95987515
*sunfalls your post*
*draws 2 cards from 2x caretakers talent*

>>95987515
>t. doesn't actually play Standard

>>95987531
Shut the fuck up faggot this thread is for standardchads ONLY

>>95987515
It was decent after Duskmourn.

>>95987531
Who plays not-standard?

>>95987524
I would imagine. It was always obscenely strong, just a hair slow for the turbo aggro meta.

>>95987550
That's what I was hoping, I bought up pieces for it while they were on fire sale for the past few months and I want to play Unholy Annex with two CMC 2 Demons in the format.

>>95987536
>>95987537
>>95987545
White was NEVER good EVER. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.

>Saheeli is the problem
>Ban Felidar

>Omni is the problem
>Ban Abuelo's

Reminder that every chance Wotc has to ban a white card, they will take, because it literally never comes up and they look like morons if all of MTG history has never banned white cards.

Wait, isn't Oculus untouched in all this?

>>95987563
yep, Jeskai Oculus is back on the menu

>>95987560
Mindbroken lol

Takes of the century:

The bans are good but needed top happen 3 months ago, and WotC are shitheads for waiting this long and letting the format rot, resulting in one of the lamest and most shit-tastic pro tours ever.

Cutter absolutely, unequivocally needed to be emergency banned within the window. Within days it was pushing into Legacy and Modern. Why the FUCK even have a ban window if you aren't going use it for shit that's post-MH/LotR Legacy competitive being dumped into Standard.

WotC suck ass, but at least they did something for once.

>>95987560
lmao what
white cards never get banned

>>95987563
because it's barely relevant

>>95987563
your penis when you were 5 didnt go untouched by your uncle

How the fuck is abuelo a white card? I thought reanimation was black

>>95987590
It's also white
white has all the reanimator cards that don't do creatures too

>>95987590
Black reanimates Creatures. White can reanimate Enchantments.
Abuelo's reanimates Enchanmtents as creatures xD so it's white.

Piobros... How they could ignore the format so hard?

>>95987590
>White's only banned card ever isn't even really White
Stop noticing!

>>95987590
creature reanimation is

>>95987603
It's just fucking dead mate.
They're not ignoring it. They buried it six feet under, with ten pounds of dynamite then detonated the dynamite.

It's fucking dead. Pioneer is a literally dead format.

>>95987603
>We remain happy with the state of Pioneer since our last announcement; the format looks healthy and diverse
HEALTHY AND DIVERSE :^)

Was the Heartfire hero ban really necessary? What good is he without monstrous rage? I expected Manifold to be banned but not hero.

>>95987603
What don't you understand about
WE REMAIN HAPPY ABOUT THE STATE OF PIONEER.
THE FORMAT IS HEALTHY AND DIVERSE.

>>95987620
Something needed to be banned from the mice package and HH drew the short straw I guess

>>95987620
Other red pump spells exist, one of which gives trample

holy shit I can't remember the last time I saw a standard ban list that wasnt anemic as fuck
its a whole new world I want to try to play gw or naya rabbits again

>>95987617
>Pioneer is a literally dead format
It's alive on arena. I think next year they are gonna push some paper pioneer torunaments as well.

>Caretaker was constantly pushed down to 0.05% of the meta literally every set and RC and pro tour
>today’s bans prove it even further
>NUH UH WHITE WAS TOTALLY VIABLE NOGAMES REEEEE
Kikes, the data for the past year is irrefutable and this gaslighting kikery doesn’t make your lies any more believable

>81% aggro
HEALTHY
AND
DIVERSE

>>95987620
>Was *Insert Red card* ban really necessary?
Yes
>B-but...
Yes. Doesnt matter, didn't ask. At this point just ban mountains.

>>95987620
I played mice but im glad to see Heil Hitler fucking die. I lost way too many turn 3s to that shitter and/or cacophany scamp exploding on my face

>>95987643
The only reason they banned Abuelo's instead of Omni is because Omni is a Foundations mythic. It's as transparent an action as it gets.

White has no genuine Standard bans in MTG history.

>>95987635
I think it's a bit excessive to worry that much about him desu. I guess they just wanted to get rid of the mices altogether and decided to ban one of them.

>>95987620
>Was the Heartfire hero ban really necessary?
No it should have been manifold mouse but WotC are kikes that can't possibly threaten their bottom line

>>95987643
Mindbroken lol

>>95987620
I guess they just wanted to get the one-mana “When this dies, it hits any target on its way out” cards out of standard. After all, Cacophony Scamp is rotating in a month and that also saw some play because of its second ability.

>>95987670
Hero can only target the opp

>>95987658
>It doesn't count!

>>95987590
can we get these retards outta here

>>95987678
>It doesn't count!
This, but unironically.

>>95987620
Every past, present, and future RDW card should be banned.

>>95987670
>“When this dies, it hits any target on its way out”
I don't know if they thought it was a fine mechanic or just outright ignored the fact that he's gonna get so big during the game with monstrous and other target spells.

>>95987677
Either way, it makes it so that you can’t stack a one-drop with a ton of power, trample, double strike, etc., and then sacrifice it to deal even more damage.

arena grinders buttmad their 3 win in 10 minute deck is DEAD

>>95987684
Cope lol

>why did they ban heartfire?
They ask when heartfire plus power crept fling just won the pro tour

>>95987695
one of the worst mechanics around
forces meta to be exile removal

>>95987689
>>95987651
>Red is bad because of aggro decks
>Blue is bad because of counterspells
>Black is bad because of thoughtseize
So white is the only fair color, I get it.

>>95987717
What about Green?

>>95987658
>White has no genuine Standard bans in MTG history
This right here. Thank you for seeing the fine print of this game and design philosophy. The only exception I would even consider is the Lin-Sivvi ban but that was before I started playing (2001-03).
White is forced to forever be a support color and then scapegoated when a combo uses white to pull it off, and barely anyone sees that the key pieces of said combos are the true problems, whereas white is just conveniently there to make it easier, yet can work just fine without white at all. The last time white even had an actual threat was White Plume in Legacy, but even then it was only fast mana and moxes that made it a turn one threat. And of course it made Delver crybabies whine to daddy JOTC for encroaching in their containment format.

>>95987668
Retard, lmao

>>95987732
Mindbroken lol

>>95987705
Yeah, a card that came out just two weeks ago and barely saw any play is the problem with the heartfire hero.
The real problem with self-destruct is the combo with screaming nemesis, so why didn't they ban it as well?

>>95987732
All facts.

>>95987707
I agree 100%. It's even worse if a cheap red drop has it.

>>95987717
I have no issue with counterspells, discard effects, land destruction, or basically anything else. RDW is pretty much the only thing I hate.

>>95987628
>Aggro 81%
>Control only barely playable as Monoblack
>Only one Combo deck allowed and is the ratto
Seriously how they could keep this format like that is beyond me is literally Standard

>>95987732
Preach your truth, queen!

>>95986990
Give it a week or two to update.
>>95987063
Until you find out they printed another 5 cost reanimator in Edging for Eternity or the spider man set.

>>95987767
>RDW is pretty much the only thing I hate
Why tho? It's just a cheap gameplan which is the top meta from time to time. All the other archetypes are way stronger.

I have my previous standard deck saved as a .dek but would rather get hit by a car than reinstall MTGO, can I view the list somehow

>>95987803
i would look it up on goldfish by i only trophied with the bad version, naturally

>>95987801
>from time to time

RDW is ALWAYS a top-3 deck. As for why I hate it, there are two reasons. The first is it makes games too short. The second is half of one's deck needs to be devoted to doing nothing but beating RDW, and RDW still has a great chance to win.

>>95987782
Pioneer aggro decks are basically the ones in standard but with mutavaults and few other stuffs. I expect many standard aggro players to migrate to pioneer soon.

>>95987782
I stopped playing Pioneer when I realized that Mardu greasefang ran more smoothly when I drew hands that were just a bad version of RB aggro.

>>95987814
Remember me how many times a RDW has won a pro tour.

New standard for the next month will likely be dominated by Dimir Aggro (unchanged by bans; now Cecil rulls standard), Jeskai Oculus, Azorious Control, and some Boros burn deck.

He was pretty close

>>95987590
>>95987606
Total newfags that don't even know how to play the game

>>95987590
Duskwood has a white reanimator

WotC desperate for Edge to succeed after FIN failed.
Only reason for the bans.

>>95987814
not really. RDW is always present in some form because it punishes retarded decks but it being a top 3 deck is not all that common
go back a few years and you'll find many many threads complaining endlessly about red being bad

>>95987866
It was pretty fucking embarrassing when they had to make a miniformat for FIN to see play because the format was overrun with turn 3 lethal.

>>95987866
FIN was a weak ass set.

>>95987524
Probably, red summer made people forget about some of the disgusting cards black has like Annex and Unstoppable Slasher

>>95987896
They hardly had any original idea for it besides: characters from the FF series

>mfw treated myself to a collectors pack for my birthday and got Surge Foil Tifa and she's one of my favorite characters in video games
Feels legit great

>>95987590
Reanimation has been in White for a long time. Black had the cheap reanimation though with some sort of drawback like paying life in the case of reanimate or something like -1/-0 in the case of animated dead. Though it later got Zombify. White had Resurrection and similar effects throughout pre-2003 MTG that were general more expensive spells. WG for example had Hymn of Rebirth in Ice Age. Replenish was also an OP as fuck resurrection for enchantments then too. With Opalescence you get an OP combo there.

The departure from the color pie was more in lines with giving White the cheap low cost graveyard plays with the various 1-2 mana cost unearth reprints. That's supposed to be Black's playground.

>>95987918
>Thing
:(

>Thing, but cardboard
:(

>Thing, but shiny cardboard
:O

>>95987850
That's great nigger. Now show us how many unconditional spells like this are there? I'm gonna guess...four? Five? But why not post something more recent and Standard legal?

>Strong cards that leave resources behind when dealt with, like Cori-Steel Cutter and Up the Beanstalk, reliably create that first small advantage. Identifying these cards and evaluating their strength in the context of their interactional requirements is a task that Play Design is incorporating into our process going forward.
SORRY, EXCUSE ME?!
YOU WEREN'T ALREADY DOING THAT?!

>>95987590 et al

I am the only person on earth that actually understands the ideal form of the magic color pie, so let me enlighten you all

Returning the dead back to life is White Magic. Every intuitive understanding of White involves healing, protection, and resurrection.

Black on the other hand should be using the graveyard as fuel. "as an extra cost to play this zombie, exile a card from a graveyard. this zombie gains the exiled card's something-or-other" that kind of thing. It should be able to use both graveyards as fuel to convey the idea that as things die on both sides, the necromancer gets more power.

Black should rarely if ever just bring a creature from the graveyard back onto the battlefield with no caveats. If it ever happens, it should only come back as a twisted, broken, profane version of what it used to be.

This also conveys the idea that White and Black are enemy colors. By resurrecting dead creatures, white denies black power, and by exiling dead creatures for profane rituals, black denies white its resurrections.

Hire me WotC

>>95987963
They already gave that idea to blue lol

>>95986854
See he almost has a point, the issue, the tiny, minute fucking issue is that "The best deck" isn't 10, or maybe, 30% of the format including variants.
The best deck is 35% followed by it's clone at 20%+.
This shit is pre-blue monday & pre cof ban pauper delver levels of delusional takes where the format is 60% delver (40% monoU, 20% UR).

>>95987963
Reasonable.
I personally think reanimation should be exclusive to either W, or exactly BG (to the exclusion of monoblack)

>>95987963
Nah, black has been doing necromancy and returning from the dead out of stubborness and persistence for years now. Reanimation is their thing. White only cribs it.

>>95987905
I'm gonna disagree and say making "saga creatures" as a way to mechanically portray a big ass FF-style monster summon doing crazy shit for a limited amount of time was actually brilliant.

>>95987040
Hyper competitive players don't like open formats because it increases the variance.
However, most of the non-delusional beyond repair ones also grasp that if a format is closed as shit nobody will play that except 3-4 freaks, which is why shit like premodern or 93/94 are niche formats.

>>95987414
>tfw flag is boros
>tfw I hate boros
I'll never get to play a flag deck bros...

Now that Mice are gone, are you ready for Cecil+Bob Summer?

>>95987850
>He never played against Braids-Opposition decks
Hey retard stop larping as an older player

>>95987922
this is me right now
I'm trying to sell one of the rare pulls from FF, but people only want the shiny version

>>95988045
yes, Id rather play against cool cards

>>95988050
HAHAHAHAHAH!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>95987011
Hey actually made this Standard deck a month ago then shelved it after cutter. I guess its time to take it out of retirement. Sheltered by Ghosts is a really pushed aura for 2cc

Reminder for you all kike pieces of shit
>UR
This is a red-blue deck, proving blue and red are pushed.
>UG
This is a green (pushed) blue (HYPER pushed) deck.
>BUG
This is, a you have guessed, pushed color (black) on pushed color (green) with HYPER PUSHED GLUE COLOR (BLUE)
>UGw
This is a Pushed deck of Blue (pushed color), Green (pushed color) forced to play some incredibly bad white cards because they aren't actually white cards they are Green OR blue cards that have white pips (sadly).

>Mono White Aggro With Small (CMC <3) Creatures That Isn't Human Tribal Or DnT
This is actually a white deck.

White. Is. Under. Powered.
Because. Wizards. Hates. Aryan. People.
Because. They. Are. KIKES.

Got it? Got it.

>>95988077
See
>>95987067

>>95987995
Honestly the only thing White did well that was almost exclusive was the Dungeon mechanic like White Plume and Nadar and Seasoned Dungeoneer. Sun Titan memes went nowhere but dungeon delving was almost a legit threat. Bring that to standard and maybe I’d be interested in playing again.

>>95988077
>green is pushed
damn i didn't know people posted from reverse world

>>95988091
Delusional demonic jew, don't make me post the image.

>>95988095
>This isn't a pushed piece of overpowered shit
>Beans isn't a piece of overpowered shit
KYS KYS KYS

>>95988073
>Sheltered by Ghosts is a really pushed aura for 2cc
People been sleeping on this card, it single handedly wins vs any red matchup.

>>95988102
Post hand

>>95986854
Maybe JotC should stop with this 50 releases per year nonsense and start actually playtesting their sets instead of just pumping out whatever AI generates.

>Abuelo
Banned because of a blue card
>Beans
Banned because it is an overpowered piece of green shit that has been banned everywhere

>>95988112
>P-pohst h-haaaand!!!1
you aren't white, you aren't even human, white is underpowered.

>>95988124
your hand is really fat isn't it

>>95988124
>doesnt post hand
I've heard enough, spic.

>>95986990
>fear of missing out
That's another card that needs to be banned.

Not a single red player in hours after the bans ahahahaha

>>95987997
It would've been brilliant if they used it as part of their actual worldbuilding instead of sandbagging it for an advertisement.

>>95987223
Modern pre MH1

Post a SINGLE white card that has been banned and I'll tell you why it isn't actually white.

Go ahead, no white card has EVER been banned in magic because wizard hates white.

>>95988143
This
>BBBBUT LE 2 SHIPS SAILING AT NIGHT!
I dont fucking care, I can sleeve up garbage like Elves and actually win

>>95988151
White Plume Adventurer

>>95987997
It's cool and fits FF espers lore wise but it's not that original.

>>95988151
White Plume Adventurer.

>>95988102
It's quite interesting.
>pay 3 mana to play as non-creature enchant
>get a land that is all times
>suddenly on turn 3 in spite having never played anything but green mana lands, you now can get domain spells off for one mana.
The overlord and talent packages still need a ban too.

>>95988151
Felidar Guardian

>>95988151
Stoneforge Mystic

>>95988159
>>95988156
>Initiative
Pushed commander mechanic, not a white OR a magic card.

>>95988164
I am always correct, white is underpowered, green is pushed, blue is HYPER PUSHED and both are played by shitskins stealing white's mechanics.


>>95988165
Early magic card, doesn't count because game wasn't balanced yet.

>>95988185
Banned because of a, DRUM ROLL PLEASE!!!! That's right! BLUE FUCKING INDIAN.

>>95988203
Banned because of a pushed piece of shit artifact based on a BLACK set (phyrexia) and a blue shitlord (Jace).

>>95987810
nvm i can just upload to goatbots and not buy the cards

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Schizo the White?

It's not a story the Simic would tell you

>>95988215
>the White
Kino honorary title desu.

>>95988151
And it wasn't even banned for being powerful. Just because JotC hates white.

The white side of the pie is a pathway to many shitposts that some would consider to be... unhinged

>>95988151
Behold, the one white card wizards banned that not even our schizo could discuss against.

>>95988165
You can tell digital art was a mistake

>>95988154
>BBBBUT LE 2 SHIPS SAILING AT NIGHT!
qrd?

>Lurrus if fucking STILL in Vintage
>They even comment on how they feel Vintage players are having fun "experimenting with Lurrus's deckbuilding restrictions."

It's so over.

>>95988210
Honestly funny and based.

>>95988242
Mark is absolutely not going to let them do another errata (commanderbabies would complain) or ban Lurrus (it would look bad).

enough of white schizo, where is blue schizo? monoblue hasn't done anything impressive recently either, we need a blue schizo to represent

>>95988237
Back 2015-2018, the main criticism of Modern was that it was like "2 ships sailing at night" where it doesnt matter what your opponent was doing, both of you just race to your win conditions with little to no interaction. It was true maybe before War of the Spark, when Robots Infect, Death's Shadow Zoo and various combo decks would just blank your interaction, but when T3feri was introduced, blue based control decks finally had a chance. Still, you had unhappy people, but it was an infinitely better environment than what we had after MH1 onwards

>>95988254
WotC's decision to unban Lurrus is one of the most brazen displays of arrogance and narcissism in human history.

>>95988224
correct, only fair example so far banned for being white not being good, same for crusade btw

>95988227
>95988228
kys nonwhite shitalian brazilian shitstains you don't play magic (pauper is like edh, not magic)

>>95988252
>Card used in primarily blue artifact storm deck
>IT'S LE WHIIITE!!1
Lol, just lol. It got banned because of artifacts and blue cards, second sunrise is dogshit.

>>95988260
It's quite interesting really. Premodern, even with the combo decks, is dominated by interaction.

>>95988276
>>Card used in primarily blue artifact storm deck
literally wrong

>>95988258
He's getting real fucking chubby in pauper.
Goddamn polish piggy.

>>95988282
Premodern has interaction set to the power level of their combos.
Sorta like legacy used to have lmao.

>>95988291
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cifkas-second-breakfast-1/
>Islands 7+
>Plains 1
>At most 10 white cards (debatable, sunrises aren't white cards they are combo cards)
>12 blue cards
>21 artifacts that generate the white mana needed to cast your """white""" spells
>N-not a blue set artifact combo deck!11

you cannot win against me, I am always right because I fight for what is right (white).

>>95988319
Also silence is used to cast your degenerate NON WHITE spells, so yeah, this has zero (0) white cards.

>>95988242
>>95988254
they can't JUST ban lurrus, lurrus is the only reason playing anything resembling a control deck is viable strategy right now, if they ban lurrus without addressing MWI, shops and dredge, the entire format collapses onto itself
new tezz is coming with EOE, he'll likely shake up the format given lurrus decks can't play him

>>95988327
Immense cope. I guess plains aren't connected to white at all either since they can be used to cast Ugin, so the color isn't real and you can stop seething.

should this general just be color-schizos shit flinging at each other? Maybe I'll be red schizo

hey wizards banned red cards because they hate red and they didn't ban other colors as much because they like those colors

I'm beginnin' to feel like playing Pre Modern, Pre Modern

>Check thread
>White "Schizo" destroys the opposite
I fucking kneel.

>standard (temporarily) saved from endless mouse rape
>whiteschizo having a full-on meltdown after being BTFO
Rare based decision from wotc

>Amulet manages to survive another B&R AGAIN
I'm tired of this deck dodging all the bullets just because its LE HARD ACKSHUALLY

>>95988358
>Hires pinkerton (anti union)
>Unions are pro workers rights
>They are often depicted with red
>Red is often the cheapest, and thus most friendly to workers, color
>WotC bans reds cards in a disproportionate amount
Comrade I think you are onto something here...

>>95988354
Well, Ugin has demonstrated he's capable of unloading an enormous amount of white mana into Bolass...

>>95988374
bold of you to assume ugin's doing the penetrating here

>>95988374
Actually incorrect, they don't have penises so instead they rubbed their dragon pussies together.
This is canon because bolas has no green (erections) or white (stuff) and ugin is colorless (dickless), go ahead, try to refute me.

>>95988358
I'll take up the mantle of blueschizo.
>Removal has to cost 1 to be playable in today's meta yet WotC is forcing blue to pay 3 mana for Cancel just to get rid of a single creature that likely cost 1 mana.

>>95988370
In this specific instance, it dodged a bullet because they let people know in advance there wouldn't be any modern bans because of the next RCQ season starting soon, there was only a possibility for unbans, which sadly didn't happen

>>95988370
They should unban bloom, it is only 5% of the format, like think about it critically. Players with skill should be rewarded, we could unban bloom, think about it, I could use bloom, I mean, the high skilled amulet players could so they can get a bit of a higher WR (Will skillRate)

>>95988378
Bolas is just a bratty bottom.

>>95988370
Unironically only a handful of people can pilot the deck well. Yes its strong, but you need to not have room temperature IQ to play it well, and I think thats enough reason for it to stay as is unless they introduced super Karoo Lands or something

>>95988384
You can't even play cancel to counter a 1 mana creature.
Blue can't do anything, ANYTHING, against a T1 creature and in legacy all you can do is use 2 cards to counter it, like bro, sure let me turn anything you play into a free 2-for-1 in the highest power formats...
And worse, in pauper it is a 3-for-1.

>black
>no black people in the art
>no ygo chainz
>just hurt myself
shit ain't no way cuh

Soldier Variant of Premodern White Weenie.

>>95988151
>White schizo proved to be A FAGGOT SCHIZOPHRENIC PERSON
More news at 11, will you shut up now?

>>95988384
I mean, there are a few blue one mana cost counters that work on creatures.
>mental misstep (banned from modern)
>minor misstep (legal in standard)
>stern scolding (LotRO set)
But yes. It is quite hebraic to not reprint counterspell and to print 3 mana cost versions for standard instead. And mana leak was perfect as a conditional counter. The lesser variants with 2 mana pays or 4 conditional pays are not as good in comparison or better if you build one of the few decks that satisfy the condition.

New to magic, I haven't played in a decade, When is a magic deck "legal" or most recent: my friend wants to create a deck of just skeletons and I'm looking into it right now.

>>95988504
I forgot to list spell snare. My mistake.
But that only applies to 2 mana cost cards.

>>95988509
Unless you're going to a tournament that is for a particular format, the only major rules is that it has at least 60 cards and at max 4 copies of any one card other than basic lands. For kitchen table stuff that's all you really need to care about.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28type%3Askeleton+or+o%3Askeleton%29+-is%3Adigital&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

These days the most popular format is EDH/Commander that has a max of 1 of each unique card (other than basic lands) in a deck of 100 cards with 1 creature being your commander you can always cast. That's a format with its own banlist and community and has its own general on /tg/.

>>95988242
I had about 1819 Elo in Vintage/Legacy on MODO, do you think I could play Standard at Cape Fear Games or will I get dumpstered? I don't know how good people actually are in paper

>>95988501
He honestly shouldve rubbed it in even more. I dont understand how these people can look at the dogshit meta and say "No bans are needed and you only need to ADAPT." Its a miserable experience.

>>95988370
lol shitters
Modern is a trash format but I only play it dumpster people with Amulet

>>95988568
>>95988501
>wotc gave in to my incessant whining therefor I was right actually
"Content" creators actually believe this.

>>95988620
You lost, Daniel

>>95987040
>>95988501
It's not like anybody plays standard in paper to begin with anyway. The format needing 7 bans is fucking crazy though. When was the last time this happened? Mirodin?

>>95988541
Unless Cape Fear Games is particularly competitive paper players have always been infinitely worse than modo ones, especially just FNMs.

>>95988652
what's modo?

>>95988664
Magic Online

>>95988242
Wizards employees are too busy gushing over the new hecking wholesome UB Sonic commander to understand eternal formats.
>>95988335
Is BUG not a control deck that has an even matchup against Shops, MWI etc?
>>95988335
Lurrus sucks because in a format where you're incentivized to play the most efficient threats possible, Lurrus makes you want to do that even more. I do think it's interesting how he makes cards like Seal of Cleansing playable but the gameplay is horrificially boring to play both as and against

>that ban announcement

comedy gold

>>95988646
could have been fine with 2 or whatever but
they wanted to create an 'early rotation'.
smart move on WotC's part

You want to know the real reason why they did such a massive ban? They just want people to play the new FF or EOE cards which wasnt going to happen in the existing format.

Rules question that happened last night:
I control a Summon: Fenrir and just put the third counter on it. The card I draw off of it is one of those instants that say "If this creature dies this turn, do something." Do I have enough time before the Saga kills itself to cast that instant on it?

>>95988680
>Is BUG not a control deck that has an even matchup against Shops, MWI etc?
no, BUG is a midrange deck that can focus on beating one specific unfair matchup and mostly conceding to the rest, if you try to turn BUG into a control deck, you end up with something incapable of actually closing out games
BUG is also a bad deck, it's kinda like how people still force Jund in modern

>>95988733
I mean yeah thats a big part of it. They couldve capitalized on it earlier, they really had to wait after that shit show of a PT. Some of these cards needed a ban a year ago

>>95988735
No, the saga dying is a state based action and you have no opportunity where a player has priority between drawing the card and it dying.

>>95988735
Sagas are sacrificed as a state-based action if they have their all their chapter counters and aren't the source of a chapter ability. I'm not sure which card you're referring to, but there is no period of time after you have drawn a card off of your fenrir but before it is put into the graveyard where you could cast a spell.

>>95988335
>Dredge
Dredge literally can not be tier 1 anymore. It's only playable when it's in the shadow of another deck because you can mull to 1 against it and win.

nice to go 2/3 in draft when you NEVER DRAW YOUR GOD DAMN FUCKING BOMBS\
GOD DAMN FAGGOT FUCKING NIGGER GAME

How good will Voice of Victory be vs the coming onslaught of UB flash decks

>>95988813
I played a lot of high-level vintage with 4x Leyline of the Void plus a Ravenous Trap in my board and got max punished because I never ran into dredge

Vintage is a stupid format and the main format would ideally be Legacy

>>95988758
>>95988762
Oh well, played that wrong. Guy I was playing with was the store owner so if anyone should have known better, it should've been him

>>95988829
the secret to being good at draft is knowing how to build decks that win without bombs (then you're on easy street when you do open/draw some)
t. top drafter

>>95988841
wow you dont get hit by randomness for some amount of time nice skill you dumb faggot

>>95988829
>he needs bombs to win
ngmi

>>95988335
Bazaar decks are maybe the most beautiful decks in the game currently.
They're kind of a meme though.
Looking forward to the day when the chinaman does good Bazaars so I can play 'no proxy' paper Vintage.

>>95988848
variance.
I get to 7 wins on most of my drafts.

>>95988813
>Dredge literally can not be tier 1 anymore.
it's not about "being tier 1", the vintage meta exists in a cycle, no deck stays at tier 1 forever, but if you remove lurrus without doing anything else, the unfair decks will show up more often
>It's only playable when it's in the shadow of another deck because you can mull to 1 against it and win.
vintage dredge is fairly capable of beating a single leyline, you need a full sideboard to win against it, that's why it's miserable to have to dedicate like 10 sideboard slots to it and get paired into a non-dredge deck

Give us spoilers !
I want to see the next cards to be banned from Standard!

>>95988864
I'm 100% fucking Tezzeret will lead to some bullshit.

>>95988859
bo1 vs children on their phone with hand smoothing isn't real magic
>>95988837
Don't be afraid to just check the comprehensive rules yourself, they're really not impenetrable. Just looking at the section for sagas would have answered your question.

>>95988873
Ugin 2.0 2

>>95986854
Why the hell is this dude still playing magic?
Hasn't he gotten a real job yet? Is he gonna be talking about a fucking card game when he's 50?

>>95988722
>could have been fine with 2 or whatever
Name which 2 you would've banned and explain why you wouldn't have banned the others.

>>95988873
>Enters
>tutors\
>Puts the card into your hand
I, for one, appreciate WotC being apparently completely unable to learn that cards should not replace themselves before interaction can hit them.

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Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

When are we getting the Beserek cross over? That shit would be cash money

>>95988908
I would buy every Griffith card I can JUST SO I CAN FUCKING BURN THEM ALL, THAT MOTHERFUCKER

>>95986828 (OP)
You think they will try again printing some toned down version of steel cutter later?

>>95988895
Yeah, elvish visionary is a real piece of work.

>>95988875
it's still better magic than constructed and the collector's boxes I win from it are definitely 'real' lol

>>95988918
>Unironically breaks multiple formats in you're path
Yeah bro it's totally fine.

>>95988913
It's called Monastery Mentor and it's Standard legal right now

WOW ANOTHER GAME STUCK ON 2 LANDS FOR 5 TURNS , FAGGOTS WHO SAY THEY ARE USUALLY GETTING 6-7 WINS ARE FUCKING LIARS, EVERY SECOND FUCKING DRAFT IS LIKE THIS, YOU COLLAPSE IN 4 GAMES BECAUSE YOU GET FUCKED BY VARIANCE SO HARD

>>95988933
Should've manaweaved better, loser

>>95988923
Almost like it's a 1 cost card drawing multiple cards that makes it strong, a 3 cost card replacing itself is in no way comparable.

i play forest, tap it for llanowar elves and end my turn

BOD DAMN FUCKING NIGGER GAME THIS IS FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE MY ENTIRE DECK IS FULL OF FUCKING FLIERS YET I LOSE TO DRAGOONS LANCE BECAUSE I CANT FUCKING DRAW ONE SINGLE FLIER OR REMOVAL THIS IS SO FUCKING DISGUSTING

>>95988954
>This is Green's most powerful turn 1 play
Why is Green the most cucked color on existence?

>>95988933
if you post your draft deck I can tell you what you're doing wrong
I'm one of the best drafters on the client

>>95988954
>>95988964
WRONG.
Green's most powerful turn 1 play is
>Forest
>Tap it for one green (G) mana.
>Birds of Paradise.

>>95988964
Yeah we really need a new card, ocelot ragamasters
It costs G and it taps to destroy target land
Surely that will be the answer to all of the powercreep going on

>>95988977
Needs Haste desu.
And Hexproof.

>>95988980
Make it a Planeswalker too.

>>95988923
Unplayable because of Bowmasters unfortunately

>>95988932
But that's not in izzet colors, I wanna play Izzet.

>>95988984
Ah yes, one card that deletes half of all potential decks.

Now THAT'S good design!

>>95988919
You've never a single one, lol
>inb4 he posts "proof" of a box that he bought

>>95988991
Red is dead. Time to move on.

unbelievably disgusting this game is absolute fucking shit, I drafted an amazing deck, yet I need to mulligan THREE FUCKING times, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GAME MY OPPONENT CURVES OUT AND I DRAW LAND AFTER FUCKING LAND OR A I STALL OUT ON 3 LANDS
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A FUCKING JOKE

>>95987223
Like two weeks ago when my pod teamed up to bully the fag who exclusively brings high power decks to casual commander night out of all three games we played. Dude was seething by the end of it and stormed out. Didn’t come back this week. Good riddance. The rest of us had a great time

>>95989008
>He can't win the coin flip
Skill issue.

>>95988995
I was the first person to post a winning FF box here if you check the archive. got it on first try with a BW deck as soon as the event went up.

>>95989008
>he’s playing meme magic
git gud scrub

>>95989008
>mulliganing in limited
Skill issue.

>>95989008
post one of your draft decks if you want actual help.
only thing I can say right now is:
when you scrub out and then immediately re-queue to rage redraft your winrate is going to take a hit

>Turn 1 play mountain play my swiftspear
>Removed
>Turn 2 play my Emberheart
>Removed
>Turn 3 Plot my slickshot
>Oppo already developed board with a Spy glass and now a Kaito
>Turn 4 try to do something with my Slickshot
>Removed
Is this what you all wanted retards?

>No bans in Pioneer
Just take the damn format out back and shoot it already, WotC. Fuck off.

>>95989045
Yes, I wanted to be able to play removal without taking 10 to the face.

>>95989046
Trickery in bo1

>>95989045
if your disgustingly pushed aggro can't play through control the fault is yours

>>95987011
>Leyline Axe
I have 4x Case of the Filched Falcon in its place but I see the vision.

Now that the dust has settled, it's going to be 1 month of 4x cut down 4x go for the throat isn't it?

>>95989045
The retards advocating bans were a vocal minority. SSS and Dreadmaw's Ire/Turn Inside Out will be their next targets.

>of their choice, then that player
What the FUCK is this errata.

>>95989105
You mean Opera Love Song

>>95989045

>Look at this made up scenario where my opponent somehow had enough mana to play removal every turn AND still develop a boardstate!
>Is this what you want?!

Unironically, yes. Please kill yourself, faggot.

>>95989105
Cope and seethe

So Mice package is done yeah? Its back to 4x Swiftspear and 4x Slickshot or is Manifold Mice giving double strike to Emberheart challenger even without Heartfire Hero as another target still too good to pass up?

Is it a hot take to say foil ruins the card art?

>>95989131
No that's pretty universally agreed on.
Old foils where only the border, not the art, was foil were better.

>>95989126
You still run all of them. Mice lost a one drop, they were already running Swiftspear. I dont think theres a decent 1 drop replacement

>>95989119
Tell me how i know you haven’t played “new” Standard, specially against disgusting Dimir midrange

>>95989087
Not Pioneer.

Well guys

how are YOU going to beat cheating omniscience into play now?

>>95989134
I think 90s foils are best of course but I noticed most preFIRE cards have tasteful selective foiling. Modern frame ones are obvious but I've even seen selective foiling on cards from Rivals of Ixalan. The texture in the textbox also looks nice. Most WAR-onwards cards just have a flat sheet of foiling over the entire card and looks tacky and fake as a result.

>>95987223
last week when I was playing red belcher in modern

>>95989182
>not English or Japanese
>meme grading company
Why do you have a junk slab?

>>95989174
The same way as before?

>>95987223
I’m slowly becoming an Esper Legends addict. Really having fun with that deck

>>95989201
It's not my photo, it's from MKM.

monoblack chads rise up

>>95988908
>tfw no tasteful card depicting guts' childhood rape

WHY THE FUCK DID ARENA AUTO TAPER TAP BOTH OF MY FUCKING BLUE SOURCES WHEN I HAD AN INSTANT IN HAND

>>95989182
They still have good foiling sometimes. A buddy of mine pulled the commander set Tifa from a collector booster, the foiling is on the sparks around her and looks great.

>>95989277
>Auto
>Tapper
Haha

>>95988908
Indeed, I would pick all the band of the hawk even if they sucked.
>>95989211
When western shit is as bad as it is now then thing japan is really good.

draft is absolutely fucking disgusting i hate it

>>95989337
Draft is the only skill intensive format

>>95989343
>Draft is the only skill intensive format
*was

i play mountain, tap it for goblin lackey and end my turn

>>95989404
Lackey is the original ragavan, a card that almost wins the game if it's unanswered on turn 1

>>95989404
I play an island and pass.

>>95989343
>curve out
>play bomb
>win
Draft is so skillful guys!!!1!11!

>>95987223
1 week ago.

>>95989404
I play agadeem untapped for 3 life, lotus petal, dark ritual, sac the petal for balustrade spy target me, gg?

>>95989530
What the fuck even is this? I'm playing Magic the Gathering, dude. What game are you even playing?

>>95989437
>don't get the bomb
>have to think for once in his life
>lose
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>95989543
>have to think
>playing mtg draft
You might be disabled.

Today I will remind them.

>>95987931
They used to be at 4 but modern design has it at 5.

>>95988045
Hell yeah brother
T1 Cecil -> T2 Bob -> T3 reveal Unholy Annex off Bob, swing Cecil and put him online immediately

>>95989543
>>95989553
Draft is the only format that requires any skill

>>95988906
Please take white-schizo back with you.

>>95989572
indeed but mtg players aren't used to thinking

>>95988913
It's getting an Arena rebalance.

>>95988933
Draft more landcylers and add more lands to your deck.

>>95989583
Land type should just be favela.

Pioneer bros, are you welcoming the Standard refugees?

>>95989611
No one really plays Pioneer anymore.

>>95987866
It "failes" in the sense that it made a small dent in the meta because Standard is (or was) ridiculously high-power. You could say the same for Aetherdrift and Dragonstorm. But in monetary and engagement terms? It was literally MtG's biggest success ever.

>>95989572
You fags always say this but can never actually explain how that's the case.

>>95989560
>art of war quote
based

>>95989643
Knowing what to use from your pool, when something normally good isn’t “good enough” with what else you’ve got to build with and when something that might get overlooked could fit your build. You can’t just netdeck a free win, you have to find your win with what you’re able to source

>>95989671
Every other format has a bigger pool than draft and uses all of that when you make your own decks. Drafting is for pseuds that can't handle more than a sets worth of cards when they build decks.

>>95989437
relying on bombs to win for you is the recourse of shitters. you'll get stomped the games you don't draw them then end up losing your entry fee and melting down like >>95988829

draft a format 20 times and see how well the "I'll just open bombs and draw them on curve" strategy averages out.

>>95989691
>retard thinks bigger pool matters when meta decks run less than 1% of all cards available
lol

>>95989691
That bigger pool means nothing when draft has a greater proportion of playable cards. You have to actually evaluate cards against each other, and find ways to make weaker cards work well.

>>95989671
deckbuilding is why you play constructed instead of limited?
lol you shitters are wild

>>95989691
constructed
>99% of competitive players netdeck
draft
>100% of competitive players build their own deck

I wonder which one will improve your deckbuilding skills more

>>95989747
>>95989825
>>95989854
Not my fault you're all netdecking faggots. Remind me how smart the average drafter is the next time you come here and talk about how every player in your pod went the same 2 colors.

I think it's finally time for Nassif's mono white lifegain deck in Standard.
Having a full set of Voice of Victory main board sounds pretty appealing if we're going back to a UB flash world.

>>95989945
>the next time
That would imply I've done it once before

Glarb midrange bros, our time has come. These Enduring Curiosity kids aren't ready for The Swarmweaver.

Hope you like being crushed by Tifa's gigantic tits soon

>>95990181
noooo don't crush me with your beautiful body tifa nooooo

>>95990025
Much weaker version of hornet queen

>>95990025
>Insect/spider lord that needs delirium to give the bonus
>No enchantment insects/spiders since Theros Beyond Death and Theros block
>The only good artifact insects/spiders are rotating out in a month
My favorite WotC conspiracy theory is that they keep printing bug lords in standard at the worst possible times to get bug fans to buy commander cards, but they never want them to actually see play in non-meme formats so they make it basically impossible to build a functioning deck around the creature type(s). You can only play them on their own and the only tribal bonus you can realistically get will be from the tokens they make. I wonder how many designers were surprised to see Blex on mtgtop8.

>>95990262
>No hornet cards in standard since Aether Revolt
Pain.

>after five gajillion turns of telegraphing opponent plays Yuna with omni in graveyard
>go for to the throat
>opponent concedes

>>95988440
>fetch for no reason
>no rishadan port
>armageddon in the side
>no MoM or Lions
>3 E Tutors
>Orim's Chant main
Jeb is a mess/10.

How does this compare to magebane?

>>95989601
>Ghetto
Black
>Favela
Green
>Slum
Blue

Alright time to drop a truke on you all;
Brazilians playing pre-modern are nepo babies 'flexing' their parents income

t. Negro shitskin spicaroo

>>95990546
Nah it's boomers who still have their decks from 20-30 years ago

>>95990429
prowess decks are red/blue not white/blue so it compares poorly

>>95990181
Holding her with protection or even waiting for a later turn to blow is good but I know niggers will now run more sweepers to "gotcha" everyone who tries non-red aggro (Bats, Rabbits, Cats, Chocobos, etc) or midrange strats which will unfortunately catch Tifas too

>>95990429
>prowess decks are red/blue not white/blue so it compares poorly

>>95987073
Apologizes for what? I don't know what he did wrong and google doesnt wanna tell me.

>>95990181
No. We WILL go back to trannies, fatties, and flatties

>>95987223
I forget when, but some /mmg/ anons made "Classic" format or something with a similar name, which was Modern but with no Planeswalkers, no Mythic rarity cards, and no Companions. Was pretty neat but MH1 killed it and Modern and the rest of the old formats, then MH2 and 3 and LotR kept bashing the dead game.

Man i miss old modern. Jund, Twin, basic bitch tribal decks, all on the same level of power. FNMs were actually casual and you'd see a lot of wild rogue brews.... Just doesn't happen anymore, does it?

>>95990546
from what I heard they were supposed to be older players who had that stuff in their closet but couldn't afford to keep up with newer formats given their rotating nature and how expensive sealed product has gotten for Brazilians

>>95990658
Not anymore.

Magic's problem has been consistent for a very long time.
WotC is trying to please everyone, and in doing so, they make a product that's shit at everything instead of being good at one thing. Every single set has competing priorities where it's trying to be product for draft, 60-card constructed, casual EDH, and competitive EDH all at the same time. Every single one of these formats demands something different (and some, like casual EDH, do not demand consistent things at all) and while it's insidiously profitable to by-design have (generously) 80% of the cards players open be totally useless to them, it also leaves a lot of players feeling like the vast majority of cards aren't catering to them, because that's literally the case by portions. Complain all you want about EDH taking over design space, but you've already quietly accepted every card with a black set icon being designed for draft, functionally useless to most players. Meanwhile draft players are stuck playing Russian roulette to see if the guaranteed rare in the pack will be a card designed for Vintage-level games causing their resolution to be an instant loss in a format where removal is sparse.
Hell, just look at how WotC is still writing stories trying to please the Vorthos even though they have literally never been good. All because WotC is clinging onto the idea they need this minuscule share of the market even though their writing is so bad it actively drives away most players that would normally want it. All because the story is forced to once again compete with set design space like everything else. That's why the story has faker consequences than a Marvel movie. Because cause-effect relationships would mean committing to a direction instead of being able to backpedal at any time. The result is a story they can say caters to everyone, yet in reality pleases nobody.

>>95990684
well I guess it's good they grew their scene but... why would a bunch of gen z babies ask mom and dad to buy them Phyrexian Dreadnaughts or Survivals or whatever so they can go hang out with smelly old guys at the LGS?

>>95990649
Modern has always been shit.
People are nostalgic for it because they were new at the time.
It's telling that a big part of people opine about is "I miss when everyone was bad at the game and played bad decks."
Which is more a statement on the community and available information than it is about any particular format.
If anything Modern has been doing the best compared to all the other formats for the past year: it has like 10-20 decks you can play without embarrassing yourself and the reigning top dog throughout is essentially a fair creature deck.

>>95990718
>Every single card trades up against removal and wins the game by itself if unanswered
>Fair

>>95990718
Imagine thinking this about Shitdern LMAO

>>95990725
The cards are bullshit but it's a fair deck that is more or less a bunch of the most efficient creatures in its colours backed up by cheap removal.
The most unfair combo it has is... doming you with Goblin Bombardment.
I hate the deck but there could be way worse things leading the format.
Meanwhile look at the state other formats have been in in the same time frame.

I'm celebrating the banlist update by killing people on turn 2 in standard mythic arena games

>>95990757
Please inform me how a deck that has no chokepoints and forces opponents to lose tempo every single time they play removal is better than a hypothetical alternative. There are Vintage decks with more counterplay.

first post-ban challenge
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/standard-challenge-64-2025-06-30#paper
the top8 is
>Dimir Mid
>Mono W Tokens
>Izzet Cauldron
>Orzhov Pixie
>Golgari Mid
>Dimir Mid
>Izzet Cauldron
>Boros Convoke

What happened to the "standard has the tools to deal with mouse" argument, MaRo?

>>95990718
>"I miss when everyone was just playing the game for fun and played suboptimal decks."
FTFY

>>95990803
Yeah, that's about what I expected. I've heard a lot of Arena players freaking out that white tokens were gonna dominate, but I don't think it'll be that bad, especially when their main spot removal spell (Lay Down Arms) is rotating. Kinda surprised there were no roots decks.

>>95990747
it's relative. compared to other formats in the last year:
>Modern
Finally found a reasonable place after suffering through Nadu/Ring/Breach/50% playrate Energy. High amount of decks can win a tournament, easy to find LGS for.
>Standard
Has been a playable(?) format for less than 24 hours lol
>Legacy
Year 3 of UB Re-animator dominance. WotC doesn't know/care to fix it. Historically The Good Format but the playerbase is checking out or worse: switching to Oops.
>Pioneer
Literally died, had all support pulled.
>Pauper
Glee had to go. Might be in the best place since? Hear players grumble about the same decks + now High Tide though.
>Vintage
Small playerbase. Not sure how healthy it is but seems alright.

>>95990873
Post-lotr pre-mh3 pauper was peak but they just had to print that fucking rat and big chrys

>>95990803
>white is now good
finally... finally we are so back whitebros

>>95990879
I feel like MH3 format wouldn't have been so hated if the PFP wasn't the most retarded group ever conceived
>one YEAR to ban all that glitters
>one YEAR to ban glee combo
>(I think) one year to ban swiftie too
it's like they enjoy seeing the format in shambles

>>95990803
Dimir the new King.

>>95990898
>We can't let goodcranial (2 card combo at 3 CMC) in the format
>Leaves glitters
>Leaves broodscale
>Leaves shifty when design is to print moar red draw 2s
:0
They aren't the worst but god can these fuckers be slow to move.

>>95990999
nice trips
at the very least, they said that they might decide to ban high tide before the next B&R, they're just gonna wait for paupergeddon

>>95990701
To flex they can afford it?
Nigger, if the format isn't pauper cheap or allows proxies you are getting scammed by people trying to flex their cash

his smugness makes me so mad

>>95990873
Paper vintage is cooked but paper vintage has been a joke for well over 20 years.
Online/proxy vintage is a "healthy" niche format.

>>95991009
He is jewish.
He needs CORRECTION.

>>95990850
Yeah man, everyone played affinity because it was LE FUN.
Nigger you miss when you didn't get reminded you are a shitter. You want to go back to being a bottom feeding micro fish in a toilet bowl.

>>95991029
>affinity
I usually just Utopia Sprawl'd into a Creeping Corrosion turn 3. I was also running a token deck so I could also block those early turns and crush it later on.
>Nigger you miss when you didn't get reminded you are a shitter.
It doesn't have anything to do with how good or bad I am at the game. I know I'm not great (I make obvious mistakes all the time), I'm just sick of how fast and explosive it is now. I miss the days were I could at least set up a board state to weather the storm by turn 3 or 4. Just because I don't wanna get blown out as if I'm playing against infect every game doesn't mean I'm a "bottom feeding micro fish in a toilet bowl."

>>95990530
>Fubanga
Black
>Maloca
Black
>Bocada
Black

>>95990873
>Has been a playable(?) format for less than 24 hours lol

standard has never been a playable format

>>95989557
Don't forget this one.

>>95990873
Oops is fine. Stop keeping do nothing hands then complaining when you lose.

>>95991130
>just draw the out

>>95990873
Pioneer is dead because of WotC greed. They know they can't charge people (paypigs) with Horizons sets (for now) and they know people have some pet decks that could always go back to. Format was almost peak after Amalia and Sorin bans then they unleashed the FIRE in Bloomburrow and Duskmourn and cut all the official support to the format. Fuck them.

>take a break from mtg for a little less than a year
>come back
>pioneer is kill (most of my complete decks are pioneer)
Time to get into pauper

>>95991201
pioneer was never going to be a thing because it doesn't have anything cool to do

>>95990803
>bounce deck just replaces one 1 mana discard bounce for another
Lmao.

>>95991219
Pioneer was cool because it was a format that didn't rotate where games weren't ended on turn 2/3. Having a turn 4/5 format with a card pool larger than standard was desirable for a lot of people (turns out just not enough people to keep the format afloat)

>>95991009
>Ummm thousands and thousands of unplayably dogshit ancient cards are out there. That means it’s totally cool for us to print good, mechanically unique cards and only sell them to the first few scalpers that can blown up our shitty queue system

Mark Rosewater is a gigantic faggot and he’d draw less hate if he just kept his mouth shut.

>>95991242
>Having a turn 4/5 format with a card pool larger than standard was desirable for a lot of people

I have a difficult time imagining who those people might be, mark. The goal of every single magic the gathering player that I've met, played with, spoken to, read about, or heard of has been to win before the coin flip. If that isn't your goal, you're playing the wrong game.

>>95991265
Sounds like you spend your time socializing with insufferable faggots

>>95991265
This is what Memedern does to human brain

>>95990898
It all went to shit when that kike of Gavin came in

>>95991215
You should've listened to the smart people saying pioqueer was a scam anon.

>>95991253
yet, most don't see this as a problem and won't raise a stink until there is some legacy breaking card. it's like people learned nothing from nexus of fate

>>95990898
>one YEAR to ban all that glitters
Glitters wasn't a problem until novice inspector was released

>>95991372
>learned nothing from nexus of fate
Whatchu talmbout

>>95991298
>>95991349
I'm thinking bingo would be more your speed

>>95991402
If the entire reason you play the game is for it to be over as fast as possible it sounds like you are infact the one who should try a different game, one you might even enjoy and appreciate the time you spend playing it

>>95991418
a game is an optimization problem not whatever weird thing you're pretending you want it to be

>>95991400
or rick steadfast leader

>>95991418
This is the MTG thread, you may be looking for the commander one retard-kun.

>>95991431
Okay, they should just print leylines that read "you win the game". That way we could finish our games as optimally as possible and move on to do more optimal things with our time. Playing children's card games with friends or strangers is not a logical or optimal thing to do in the first place, maybe you should sell off your collection and go shit up a different thread (although shitposting is not an optimal use of your time either. Quite the conundrum)

>>95991431
>>95991457
>Is win on turn 2-3 or Cummander
Seriously you consider yourselves "Magic" players? Goddamnit

Classic 4chan cynics who want internet clout by pretending they don't enjoy their own hobbies because they grew up in a culture that values dispassionate snobbery over literally anything else. If the idea of playing pioneer churns your stomach this much because games take a turn longer on average then you should probably take a hammer and chisel to your personality and attempt some amount of character growth for the first time since the early 2000s

Top 8 had zero cards that cost 4 or more mana, zero. RDW only ran screaming nemesis and cori had vivi

60 cards and most decks only had 2, 3 or 4 copies that cost 3 mana. How fucked is that?

>>95991487
Retard-kun, pioqueer is a format for people with a stagnant puddle instead of a brain due to having a card pool pertinent to the worst period that mtg has ever seen, high impact cards that must be answered asap with bad answers, uninteresting value vomiting decks, not a single shred of character or customization in them, you legitimately need to be low IQ to play that format, even memedern for how shit it has been in the last few years is in a better spot.

My take: Memedern paypigs are the clowns of the MTG world. Almost as retarded as EDH players

>>95991504
It's pretty grim. Reading the B&R announcements is actually very sad because it's clear some of the people on these design teams are really trying their best to make these formats thrive and grow, but the crushing weight of the corporate release schedule just makes it impossible

>>95991507
You realize that all the cards in pioneer are also in all the other formats, and modern/legacy etc have these same exact problems PLUS the horizons sets? Unless you are a premodern truther then I dont really understand your point

pioneer is just standard but more expensive
jotc forgot to balance it

>>95991542
>>95991542
>>95991542

>>95991538
If your point is the the meta is stale and could use a couple bans I agree, but pioneer being "standard but more expensive" is a feature not a bug. The explicit purpose of pioneer was for people to have a format to play their favorite cards from standard once they rotate out.

>>95991522
Zero reading comprehension, brave.

>>95991056
And you got zero (0) pro tour wins with your diarrhea.dek.

>>95991462
I would run 40 copies

>>95991487
That is a wild amount of grasping.
Pioneer always sucked and was never popular.
WotC tried to push it and even they had to admit it was a failure and pull the plug.
It wasn't good and people didn't want to play it.
There wasn't even a community who cared to keep it around at a grassroots level. People can play it for free whenever they want on Arena and they don't even bother.
Likely the best MTG tournament network in the world is here and Pioneer is the one format they can't get to fire. To the point that I've seen more people playing powered no proxy Vintage at the LGS in this city.
It has nothing to do with grognard social media cynics hating the idea of playing an extra turn of MTG(?).

>>95991009
>Uhm, acksually our reprint is total dogshit so it's fine that we keep doubling down on it
Wow! Thanks Mark! Not like this is something that has been a regular problem people have complained about for 25 years!

>>95988963
>I made a bad deck and I lost
Wow!