So, all I know about Lancer is that it has some cool artworks, use a sci-fi genre usually unpopular for its idealism (solarpunk) and the main heroes... are space communists.

But then I read that:

>Any villain is just a simulation amd space communism males sure to not make them exist
>All aliems sentient enough is a victim, never a bad guy
>Space Communism = best economy
> Mechs ain't that relevant despite it all
>There is no theorocal need for conflicts
>AI are forbidden because some AI god forbade it, and asap someone tries something they will be obloterated
>Naval combat is how fights happens
>Nothing ever happens in this setting

So how someone enjoys it? How are consequences important if in the end they are just manipulated in the way space commies want them to happen ?

There are no real ways for some asshole or megalaniac to exist in this setting wothout been just a spec in a simulation ?

>>95999534 (OP)
Weak attempt at stealth thread. In before you samefag argue with yourself about how the setting is actually really deep and well written (it isn't) just like the last three times you made this thread.

>>95999534 (OP)
>Tranny art
>No you're coping
>Union is pretty evil, guys
>Ugh just make your own setting
>Mild mechanical discussion
>What is a liberal?
>What is an SJW?
>Check out this interview
>Star Trek? Is it?
>WTF why not fight in space, mechs are cheerleaders
>The setting's pretty gay but it's alright
>They hate anime

>See you next thread

Oh look another /v/ tier bait thread that's going to hit bump limit. Let me just hit all the main points for everyone so we can just close it up early.
>commies!
>chuds!
>tranny art!
>nuh uh its beautiful art!
>this isn't a real mech game!
>you don't know the rules!
>jews in media!
>incel chuds cant handle brown people in media!
>trump good!
>trump bad!
>Hitler!
>Marx!
>immigration bad!
>immigration good!
>Muslims!
>the rules suck but I admit I've never played the game!
>the rules rock but I admit I've never played the game!
>the lore is good!
>the lore is bad!
>discord!
I don't think I missed anything. /thread.

>>95999534 (OP)
>Any villain is just a simulation amd space communism males sure to not make them exist
This is fanon hypothetical bullshit. The Union government has a secret project called the galaxy simulation where they pretty much just simulate the galaxy except at a higher timescale to see the potential results of their decisions and influences. Hypothetically this makes it so that anything bad happening is part of such a simulation, but realistically, how many simulations could they have going at once? It's also known to be... glitchy, so the utility of it can be dubious. Either way, it's just an oracle. It breaks the setting as much as the ability to see a limited vision of the future breaks any setting
>All aliems sentient enough is a victim, never a bad guy
There are no aliens in any of the core books, except the Hercynians which are moth people, which the creators added because they're retarded. They don't matter, pretend they don't exist.
>Space Communism = best economy
They wanted to do Star Trek post-scarcity, but also have mega corporations. One specifically that handles interplanetary shipping. This sounds retarded, because it is.
> Mechs ain't that relevant despite it all
Yeah, they're not mentioned at all in the main setting description because the authors cared more about their communist worldbuilding and forgot to really give the mechs any important moments in the lore. They're like Navy Seals in real world "lore". They exist, they might be cool, but they don't matter in the grand scheme of history. It's retarded to have you play as one in a setting where they don't get focus, but whatever.
>There is no theorocal need for conflicts
Union makes war on people for not having human rights. Imagine all the Bush era lies about why we needed to be in Iraq, that's why Union fights
>AI are forbidden because some AI god forbade it, and asap someone tries something they will be obliterated
Yeah, a science God set down contrived rules to maintain the setting.

>>95999598

Wait, someone really described this slop as deep?
Did they skipped the part the writer of the setting begged forgiveness to the LGBTCommies for possessing a cock ?

Not surprising no one hears of this RPG if the audience is a bunch twitter users then

>>95999618
You didn't even touch on wanting to fuck the AI

>>95999598
I think Lancer has potential.
Something I will give credit to the authors is they came up with some cool stuff. I like everything that doesn't directly have to do with the government. NHPs, the galaxy sim, para-causality. The art and style is fine.
It's what you would call an art-brained setting. Anything that's purely reliant on creativity is fine. Anythign that requires logic, like explaining the historical timeline on a scale that works, or making the government functional, or trying to establish a reason why their retarded economy functions, or even the rules being unbalanced and shitty, all that is bad.
Ironically, one of the writers explained that he purposefully left some (Important) parts of the lore vague explicitly because he knew he was more of an art guy and didn't want to be constrained by the need for it to make perfect sense when he was really just trying to capture an aesthetic and let the players speculate how it actually functioned...
He said that, and then for some reason spent several fucking pages explaining Unions political parties and the minutia of how the function and form coalitions.
The setting is mostly a very peculiar vanity project from someone who, despite having some good ideas, didn't really have the wisdom to reign himself the fuck in.
I think Lancer is salvageable, but it'd have to be salvaged a second edition 30 years from now when the original creators are out of the picture and someone a little more detached can take it apart and put it back together without all the stupid shit and the benefit of hindsight.

>>95999632
>This is fanon hypothetical bullshit. The Union government has a secret project called the galaxy simulation where they pretty much just simulate the galaxy except at a higher timescale to see the potential results of their decisions and influences. Hypothetically this makes it so that anything bad happening is part of such a simulation, but realistically, how many simulations could they have going at once? It's also known to be... glitchy, so the utility of it can be dubious. Either way, it's just an oracle. It breaks the setting as much as the ability to see a limited vision of the future breaks any setting

So essentialy is not flawless, but is 99% accurate

>There are no aliens in any of the core books, except the Hercynians which are moth people, which the creators added because they're retarded. They don't matter, pretend they don't exist.

So what was even the point of making those bug people? So the author IS retarded

>They wanted to do Star Trek post-scarcity, but also have mega corporations. One specifically that handles interplanetary shipping. This sounds retarded, because it is.

When you can't even rip off Star Treck, you sure have failed hard

>Yeah, they're not mentioned at all in the main setting description because the authors cared more about their communist worldbuilding and forgot to really give the mechs any important moments in the lore. They're like Navy Seals in real world "lore". They exist, they might be cool, but they don't matter in the grand scheme of history. It's retarded to have you play as one in a setting where they don't get focus, but whatever.

Absolutelly retarded then

>>95999719
>Union makes war on people for not having human rights. Imagine all the Bush era lies about why we needed to be in Iraq, that's why Union fights

Sounds... very hypocritical by Union.
As if some twitter trannies and redditor got placed in the white house and they nuked some fuck off place because people misgendered the local fag

>Yeah, a science God set down contrived rules to maintain the setting

Has there ever been some hint that even this guy is falliable or can be circumnavigated?
Aren't AIs just fragments of it?

Has no ome ever tried to use them as a sort of shield ?

>>95999708

Lancer sounds like some art project than a true setting.

Kinda like Trench Crusade, where the art predated the worldbuild and the creators made a lazy attempt at making Not40K.

Lancer is just that but with Gundam (amd I heard the creators despise the mecha genre)

>>95999534 (OP)
Shit game, shit rules, even shittier lore.
People still play D&D 5e though, so are really surprised that Lancer has an audience too?

>>95999598
FPBP

>>95999534 (OP)
So how's this shit compare to, say, Eclipse Phase? Or Mindjammer? Or CthulluTech? Or heaven forbid that one furry capitalist game, Hc Svnt Dracones ?

>>95999771

I don't care for DnD beyond Dark Sun and old Planescape

>>95999692
Sounds like some discord troon meme I'm not privy to.

>>95999785
Capitalist what now ?

>>95999534 (OP)
Most of the audience are probably fans of the artist's webcomic, Kill 6 Billion Demons.

>>95999798
The post-human hypercapitalist transhuman furry game, Hc Svnt Dracones

>>95999872

Is it as retarded as Lancer is ?

In the early days of Lancer discord, there was this dream that Lancer would take over 4chan. It would become the hottest game ever, and the evil 4chan anons would repent and follow behind Lancer, their savior.
Only, things didn't work out that way.
Star Trek does dirt and lasers mixed with a utopian core better.
Mekton Zeta or GURPs mecha offers more combinations and customizability
Battletech has the more recognizable mechs (and Lancerfags are so jealous of Battletech, they actively refuse to discuss it. What does it say about a mech game that won't discuss one of the greats?)
They schedule teams, raiding times, cross-reference posts and host thinkboxes to craft responses to posts of other anons? And you know what?
This elite discord Lancer consensus loses to random 4chan anons who simply respond with the truth about their shitty game.
They were founded on a lie, operate on lies, and spread on lies.
So it comes as no suprise, troons and sjws, who actively lie, have made their home there.
PS Diddy walked. Your whole movement is crumbling apart.

>>95999913
>Star Trek does dirt and lasers better
I've played 2d20 and it sucks.

>>95999534 (OP)
Don't care about the game but we need to ban ESL posters like you.

>>95999909
it is so so much more

>>95999913
Does it ever bother you guys to just make up shit to complain about, declare yourselves the winner of fights that happened only in your head, and then keep doing the same things for a full-on decade? Trump won in 2016 and you fuckers are still acting like the SJWs have finally crested the hill. When will you actually win so you can shut the fuck up?

>>95999955
It's hypercaplitalist furry mercenaries with 3d printed guns and taurs fighting Slenderman, so in my opinion, it's definitely up there

>>95999992
We don't make shit up anon
Post a gamefinder ad in the discord where you're playing Harrison army goons, the real good guys, to take down the corrupt, evil, propaganda-spreading Union.
The speed in which hatemail arrives or you get banned will be your answer

>>95999913
>anon sperging out about some random discord
i hate what the election did to this site

>>96000038
>discord tranny sperging out over /tg/'s rejection of this game

>>96000038
>i hate what the election did to this site
There's a whole decade of bullshit that led to this moment, but alright.

>>96000034
Why would I post that? I have no intention of running such a game. Why don't you post it instead? Try to be polite - I know, impossible for your tiny brain to manage - as you offer the game, then you'll have great screenshots to prove how awful these imaginary Discord trannies are.

Or, you know, you could simply not think about them at all. For some reason, SJWs don't have to make shit up about how bad the FATAL Discord is to prove their victories. Strange, that.

>>96000052

Always a good day when it happens, we should call out this abortion more and see the last few internet addict troons try to eat all the corpo slop they can before just giving up and admit this was just an hack

>>96000057
Yep, it's been almost a full decade since the election.

>>96000034

Harrison Armoury is the faction with the flamethrower mech, right ?

>>96000070
Still don't see a claim disproven bud
>don't think about them at all
Honestly I don't, I just come in here and shitpost when I see these threads for a laugh

>>96000103
>Still don't see a claim disproven bud
That which can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

>Honestly I don't, I just come in here and shitpost when I see these threads for a laugh
>I just come into every single Lancer thread to shit it up constantly, talk about how if I do this enough then finally I'll "win" a fight that only exists inside my head, and constantly bitch about not being allowed in the cool kids' Discord.

>>95999534 (OP)
>AI are forbidden because some AI god forbade it, and asap someone tries something they will be obloterated
>obloterated
learn to write, you god damn piece of shit, fuck off, i dont give a shit if you dont like it, stoped reading there, get the fuck outta here, you imbecile.

>>96000117
>he doesn't know
By the way Lancer discord has groomers bud
That's the kind of company you keep
>inb4 loser who posts on 4chan
Yeah, but you're here too welcome to the salt fields motherfucker

>>96000151
You'll notice that SJWs don't complain about getting banned from Nazi Discords because they couldn't stop calling people crackers. That's because Nazis are losers and SJWs know it. Whereas you have to make things up about Lancer players, accusing them of pedophilia, because you are a loser who knows he is a loser.

>>95999708
>they came up with some cool stuff
Well, they put in a bunch of stuff they thought sounded cool when they heard it in destiny, at least. Most of it doesn't really fit together and doesn't provide a consistent tone or theme.

Lancer writing reminds me of netflix castlevania putting in "actually, vampires are just confused by right angles and the crucifix thing isn't religious" because they'd heard about it in a reddit post about a book once, and then they splash vampires with holy water. Don't just cram other peoples concepts in when they don't even make sense.

>>96000159

Found the troon

>>96000162

Oh, so Lancer is just Destiny but with extra communism and chromosomes

Now I understand why I found it bland

>>95999913
I've been to pilot net, so I know they're crazy.
But you should be taking screenshots if you're going to be making such specific accusations.
Go there, actually screenshot what they're saying, come back.
It's fucking retarded that people like you just expect people to take your word for it when proving yourself is such an easy and simple matter.

>>96000159
How old are you? I'm noticing that there's someone on /tg/ who's obviously a boomer, and every time anything political comes up they start talking about matters like we're still in the 2010s, or earlier, if you're the guy I think you are; the guy who's angry about the evangelical wing of the republican party as if they haven't been fucking extinct since 2012.
Using terms like "SJW" is just really fucking out of date. That term started going out of date in the mid 2010s, so there's something really fucked up with you. It's like you mentally peaked a decade ago and yet you're still talking.
ANYWAY, the reason leftists don't get banned from "Nazi" servers is because, ironically, leftists are censorious authoritarians these days, and ban fucking everybody from their spaces if they fail to stay in ideological lockstep. Right-wing places don't do that because they have less of an authoritarian mindset, which leads to insane narcissists like you thinking you're just above reproach. In reality, it's not that you're above reproach, you're just such a comical asshole to everybody that when it's not reciprocal you just assume it's an anointment of your own holiness.
Hell, I think you're vile and retarded, and yet I wouldn't ban you from anywhere, even if I had the power to do so. I don't believe in doing that kind of thing. Meanwhile, I am absolutely positive you would ban me in a fucking instant, because for you that's Democracy or some shit. I, admittedly, have a hard time understanding the cognitive dissonance nightmare you call an ideology.

How can I make this weapon good?

>>96000716
Raleigh for free reloads or Genghis for OC loop, mix and match as you like.

>>96000716
Pretty much every distinct type of weapon has a dedicated mech that's specifically required to make it "good."
If you actually want to use a loading weapon, you pretty much MUST be in a Raleigh. The game is just balanced like shit and the itemization is borked and inappropriately reliant on specific frames to function.

>>95999534 (OP)
damn, guess the OP of last thread decided they wanted more free entertainment.
>>96000090
yeh
They were formed out of SecComm remnants that managed to bail out when things went tits-up after the whole uh...xenocide with the first instance of sapient alien life, and managed to consolidate enough power to make it too much of a bitch for ThirdComm to whack them.

>>95999955
Give us the goods anon. Riff on it, make this thread worth the electricity expended to sustain it by meming on Catboy libertarians or whatever.
Save us.

Anyone got pdfs of the expansions? I ain't paying a dime.

Just set your games during the reign of the Second Committee.

>>96001237
>I'm not mad, YOU are!
lol, projection

>>96001590
Game's still shit, abbybabby. Go back to drawing fat fetish porn, it's the only thing your putrid art "style" is appropriate for.

How would you retool the Lancer setting/lore to be less commugay?

>>96001715
Why would I bother when your game sucks?

>>96001282
Well, not that anon, but from what I remember of the setting, the furries started out as test tube babies to inhabit mars while the Earth was being plundered by giant autonomous capitalist megacities that harvested the planet's natural resources like a fat man at a Golden Corral. And yet, humanity gave far more of a shit about the test tube babies being turned into anthro gooner creations than the whole "Earth is being turned into a wasteland" bit until a bunch of furry Slenderman/Jeff the Killer ripoffs made Earth uninhabitable. And now basically hypercorporations rule the solar system with every furry now "employed" aka owned for life as a citizen/employee, and they live as essentially transhuman mercenaries and waging war on behalf of their capitalist masters or living glamorous furry lifestyles with their transhuman cyborg tech and 3d printing technology...well, except whenever they're dealing with evil furry Jeff the Killer, then it's very temporarily cthulhutech flavored cosmic horror.

I don't know if they changed it for 2e, but I cannot imagine that much would have changed, cause it'd be hard to flipflop from open capitalism worship to communist paradise due to how tied the megacorps are into the origin of the humanials

>>96001788
>>96000018
Honestly not that bad art, despite being furfaggotry. I've seen worse in D&D supplements.

>>96001873
It's a very case by case basis, but the creators at least have the excuse that all the PCs are trasnhuman furry creatures in a world that actually allows them to modify themselves to be as bright, colorful, and varied in morph as they please, so I certainly won't complain the art doesn't fit the subject matter

>>95999719
>So essentialy is not flawless, but is 99% accurate
Yes, and they wrote themselves into the corner of needing it by making space travel relativistic. By the time you respond to a distress call, literal years might have passed. They have to see the future so they can pre-emptively respond. The army arrives just in time because they left ten years ago.
The way things actually play out is the core worlds are fully automated luxury gay space communism, but they do it by ruthlessly exploiting colonies further out, which are "sometimes there's limited universal access to the magic 3d printer, but you ain't getting on it if you don't work" at best. The megacorps keep the gay space communism rolling by being the exploitation apparatus. Out in the boonies are where any conflicts happen, and they're typically banana republic brush wars between exploiters and exploitees. Union is extremely hypocritical.

>>96001788
>Furry Jeff the Killer
Perfection

>>95999534 (OP)
Is there something wrong with your keyboard?

>>95999534 (OP)
Each one of those points is wrong. Someone read the book, took specific lines out of context, interpreted those in the most disingenuous way, and then has made a point of repeating those lies ad nauseam. High probability they know these are lies.

It is fine to dislike the art. It is fine to dislike the setting. It is fine to dislike the gameplay conceits and rules. It is fine to dislike the authors and their politics/shitposting (God knows I do). But there is no reason to lie about it or make repeated troll threads.

>>95999632
>They don't matter, pretend they don't exist.
Nearly exterminating the Egragorians basically led to 2nd Committee being overthrown. 2Com members would eventually form Harrison Armory.
>They wanted to do Star Trek post-scarcity, but also have mega corporations. One specifically that handles interplanetary shipping. This sounds retarded, because it is.
It's only post-scarcity on the Core Worlds like Earth. Most of humanity lives on the Diaspora which is basically the Wild West meets the Scramble for Africa.

Union doesn't think this is fair so they try to spread post-scarcity to the rest of humanity.
> Mechs ain't that relevant despite it all
Actually, they're a major player in space combat. Think a heavy fighter that can also do boarding.
>Union makes war on people for not having human rights.
That's more of HA's thing. Union just keeps asking planets to join until the planet says yes. Union tends to fight because it's factions are shooting at each other again or violating Union law and need to have the hammer brought down. Union doesn't purge said factions because it doesn't have the resources or desire to fight a 4 sided war.

>>96005609
You’re touching on something I think needs to be stated more frankly, that LANCER campaigns are meant to be single planet affairs. The galactic scale of the setting only amounts to fluff text and background explanations on how or why your character is as they are. More importantly, as you mentioned the system expects any “peacekeeping” operation to involve dealing with multiple polities on a planet who may have other ideas on the direction their people should go. It’s the Terra Invicta approach; there’s about a hundred nation-states on the planet and many of them might not like the idea of bowing to foreign imperialists. Like how the “Little Wars” in Lancer’s background were actually global world wars, but only seem little in the context of modern Union.

Even in an example like Hercynia, there’s like seven unique nation-states described. The “dead” world being anything but is a theme throughout Wallflower.

>>96005681
It's easy to forget how BIG space is. You have most settings with single biome planets. The "Forrest Moon of Endor". The "Swamp Planet Dagobah". It's almost impossible to wrap your head around another world as varied as Earth if only because most people haven't seen every biome Earth has to offer.