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>Previously>>95995708>TQWhat is your favorite land card?
>>96001022 (OP)>TQLove this goofy land
>>96001022 (OP)>TQIt will always have a place in my heart.
>>96001022 (OP)>Favourite LandThe one and only. How i'm enjoying this chad in Standard
The Monoist look the coolest.
>>96001078man it's hard to tell the inside of the cloak from the house behind it
>>96001022 (OP)bojuka bog always
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>>96001078Ho
ly
FUCK
the art direction for this set sucks.
It's an absolute nightmare mix of generic, tryhard and Marvelian overdesign. Truly repulsive stuff.
>>96001101damn, kinda looks like warhammer a bit. too bad they discontinued the UW version reprint program
>>96001093How can the bad dudes look so good compared to the heroes here
>>96001078? Look at that smug shitty face i hope he dies the first.
>>96001022 (OP)This is the new Land cycle? Station lands? Why? How i'm supposed to make this lands valuable when i have to crew for 12?
Rumors of the set.
Munitions tokens are artifacts that deal 2 to any target when put into the graveyard and nothing else, only saw on 1 rare.
Sliver card is a 6 mana artifact with affinity for slivers, gives slivers double strike and trample, makes 2 slivers at end of turn.
"Artifact cards and red cards in your hand have" Warp equal to their mana cost, it's some mono red legendary kavu, it does something when you warp also but I forgot what.
โput target creature from defending playerโs graveyard onto the battlefield under your control tapped and attacking.โ is a 4 mana black aura that enchants a creature you control, and when it attacks it does this, then it has Void (fixed revolt), which sacs the aura unless a nonland permanent left this turn or a card was Warped.
>>96001185The rumors are:
The blue one is (12+) U, Tap: add U for each artifact you control
The green one is (12+) Tap: add G for each creature you control.
>>96001188Oh shiet now tokens that go straight to the face? That sounds kinda cool depending on the activation mana cost.
>>96001188>Sliver card is not an SliverAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>96001188>>96001209MaRo, nobody cares. Your team doesn't know how to build a good metagame and Standard is not worth playing given the track record of your team. You should all be fired for the Standard environment you created necessitating banning every single tier 1 deck, and in all honestly, probably fired out of a cannon, into the Sun.
>>9600120912+ for more mana LMAO not gonna make it for me chief.
>>96001188>>96001209They better make Robots a thing.
Time for this guy to shine with these station lands.
>>96001213I think they are sacrifice fodder and it has no activation cost.
>>96001078This isn't AI garbage? It's a real card?
>>96001209wait wait wait are you for real? i really hope this station lands don't only add mana and has better crew costs
Is this another one of the Legendary planet lands?
>>96001209So you are supposed to waste 12+ power at sorcery speed to activate these? What the fuck
>>96001365Probably, it's the name of the red planet in the Sothera system. Also they aren't legendary.
>>96001302the hands are bad in a way only a lazy human can be, and the AI would never let the cloak blend into the wall like that.
>>96001159They're both villains, anon. Both faiths are dogshit.
>>96001188i don't know how or which kind of cards will do it but looking at the eldrazi guy they already showed i'm pretty sure this cheating stuff warp will end breaking somehing.
>>96001143They didn't discontinue it. It was never going to be a thing for non-Secret Lair UB stuff. That was never the promise. It was only "mechanically unique Secret Lair cards will get reprinted in an accessible way".
>>96001401Oh i thought the white and gold dudes were supposed to be the good ones. My fault.
>>96001419There's good people, but none of the factions seem to be good. The Drix and Pinnacle as a whole are broadly 'good', but they're more an overarching thing, the main factions of the set seem to be the Kav, Eumidians, Illvoi, Summists and Monoists.
Worry not about the rest of cards the only card you have to chase is my dude Tezzeret.
>>96001456He is really not very good.
I'm so glad we could split the thread again because a seething retard can't handle discussion about WotC's clear biases.
Stop splitting the fucking thread, you seething retard fuck.
>>96001456>last seen working with New Phyrexia>now commanding a bunch of robots and fucking around at the edge of the universeCalling it now, Tezz is going to find a way to reactivate the glistening oil
>>96001716Stop being schizophrenic. Stop being and absolute retard and learn to behave like a normal person and make normal threads
>>96001716Are you the brazilian dude whining about White?
>>96001797No. Stop with Phyrexia, please stop.
Is Eldrazi time, unleash Eldrazi, Eldrazi everywhere.
>>96001797>Jin put a backup of himself on Tezz's new body>Tezz has a Jin brainghost now
>>96001812I only agree with you to the extent that wotc writers are shit and they already completely fucked up with Norn
Phyrexia conceptually are way more interesting than yet another round of 8cmc squidfaces named ATMOSPHERE NIBBLER and CONCEPT RAPIST
>>96001871Have some respect for the true main villains of this setting anon.
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>>96001411and they won't even do that anymore
>>96001078>>96001100>>96001120>>96001159SAAR
india CEO are needfully own all of your company SAAR
you work for us now we high caste superpower 2030 all white women love bharat
>>96001800>Stop being and absolute retardHasbro is not sending their best today
>>96001910God, I remember when they clearly promised the UW reprints because people were skeptical about mechanically distinct UB diluting the game. Now it hardly matters because everything is so debauched and broken that no one gives a damn.
>>96001188>SorcerySorcery
>SorcerySorcery
>SorceryFUCKING KIKES!!!! When we will have the interaction the crazy overefficient threats they print set after set deserve? They just printed Vivi is that bad or broken to have a removal, downside sac instant spell?
>>96001078I really hate this look where it seems like the artist first completes the body and background, then waits for instruction on what kind of face to finish it off with. It's on a few cards by a few different artists.
DO NOT USE THE SHILL SPLIT THREAD
USE THE REAL THREAD.
>>96000664
>>96002063>White schizoid trying to lure people into his den of bullshitSad but no faggot.
>>96002070Fuck off, shill. You've done this shit TWICE now.
>>96002063oh now comes here screaming and crying? classic
>>96001320Hah. They are all Station 12+ and come into play tapped. They won't get played anywhere.
>>96002077Make normal threads, behave as non schizophrenic person.
>>96001365Pretty sure that is Kavaron, the planet that is half exploded and has a huge laser array.
>>96001998Now they just straight up sell mechanically unique cards via Secret Lair only (Sonic, etc). The brakes are long gone at this point.
>Kotis again
Do people play fag decks that try to play their opponent's cards because they can't build a good deck themselves? What gives?
>>96002095Might not be good, but the meme potential is there.
>>96001365>>96002105They will deliver LAND DESTRUCTION support right? Is fucking time RIGHT?
>>96002063Weird, you would think this thread would be removed as spamming/flooding since it is a late created general and the other thread was first. I guess you get to thread split if you are paid by Hasbro.
>>96002140Based on the others it will be something like:
Kavaron That Is
Enters tapped.
Tap: Add R
Station 12+: 1R, Tap: Sacrifice a creature or artifact, deal damage to any target equal to the sacrificed card's mana value.
Or power or whatever. Still just as unplayable and vaguely "on theme" with the other land reskins (Academy, Cradle, Tower making the R one...Shivan Fucking Gorge.
>>96001797Tezz actively hated the Phyrexians the entire time, he'd have absolutely no reason to do that, also we JUST had Phyrexia they're not gonna go from Phyrexia to Phyrexia, Again.
>>96001910That's... Not the same thing at all. That's with regards to "Universes Within" as a product line in and of itself, which was a speculative thing that never existed except as a vague terminology for the Magic-IP reprints of Secret Lair cards.
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>>96002000A.
TALL.
ASK.
Fellow Magic enjoyer.
>>96001022 (OP)Question: The charges vehicles and lands get from being "crewed" this way, remain or is something of the turn?
>>96002245They remain. It's clearly themed after constructing ships and bases in space strategy videogames.
You spend your creatures' power like you allocate workers to eventually get some big payoff.
>>96002253>>96002261Mmm maybe in grindy matchups could be a thing then, against aggro is a shit but if you have for example a defender like demon wall or a vivi that grows with time, maybe you could make the payoff work, but i say this without know the rest of space lands.
>>96002180nice try gaslighting but I know exactly what I meant with UW version reprint program
>>96002132Imagine if after so many time of being a shitty meme and unplayable card this shitter finally gets his time to shine LMAO
>>96002329I feel like if there's some more synergies it could be a thing. The land is fine, not great but fine. Coming in tapped and being sorcery speed hurts, but drawing 8 is a hell of a drug and that can come online after only two turns. I know people love their instant speed card draw, but surely a 3 mana overflowing insight in a land slot could have something to explore.
Spoilers when? When they start?
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Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...
>>96002480what's to play in premodern?
>>96002485All of these decks, my dude.
>>96002497fuck that looks... completely balanced unlike current formats
>>96002480>>96002497Friendly reminder Premodern is a Fake Format played only by brown people.
>>96002517So you're saying that all of those players present in all of those tournaments there are brown?
>>96002526Brown or similar, yes.
Post favorite flavor text
>>96002538Jesus Christ. What the fuck is happening to America?
>>96002517>>96002526>>96002538The people are brown because their artifacts are the only correct color. "Silver" people are inferior.
Don't tell me to go back to 2003. I never left.
>>96002567Holy. Based MUD enjoyer.
>>96002581Sooooo... She fucks dragons? Is not very subtle, this is fine but guns are not?
>>96002581They're going to ramp up the subversion factor in their art even more.
>>96002581>that flavor textYjkโฆ.
I remember when she was printed and donโt recall it being this blatant but reprint and art couldnโt be more on the nose
>The shills split the thread again.
And then everybody clapped.
>>96002581Kaalia of the "Vast" indeed.
>>96002620FUCK, they don't make art like this nowadays...
>>96002630yeah because it's been boobified
>>96002526I know Italians are a little swarthy but I don't think they're quite brown
>>96002635No i mean... Looks like a real woman. Just look at Aetherdrift, that art was hideous lol
>>96002620>Women with a WHR less than 0.8 on new magic cards? That's a tall order!
>>96002581Bolas is not gay, stop disrespecting him.
>>96001022 (OP)>Station landDamn, I was hoping these would be actually interesting. Clearly just made for limited and commander, you'll never have a reason to station, at sorcery speed nonetheless, in any format that ends in a single-digit amount of turns.
The ONLY reason you would want to station something outside those circumstances is if you're constantly warping creatures, presumably as WotC intended the mechanic to function (also works for crew I guess). If you warp the eldrazi and then blink it, you could technically crew it immediately, but that's effectively a 3-card combo that you can only do turn 4 in modern and turn 5 in standard, and that's assuming your opponent doesn't blow up your eldrazi before you get those 7 cards. Maybe it'll be okay in a control deck, but I just don't see standard being that slow once this set enters the format.
>TQSwarmyard.
>>96002684Actually, I forgot this guy (
>>96002132) is in standard. Maybe you could build a dimir control deck around it after all.
>>96002245They stay and if it reaches a milestone it becomes permanent even if the charge counter is removed.
>>96002517There are 4 brown people - 2 Brazilian, 1 Pacific Islander, 1 western-born Indian - in my LGS playgroup and none of them play Premodern.
>>96002731are you brown too anon?
>>96002480Thank you for acknowledging this thread as real. Truly you are at least sane.
>>96002480What the hell is offensive about Crusade?
>>96002753Do you get paid by the post, the hour, or by how many split threads you make?
>>96002719Actually, they clarified, to my understanding, that if the counters are removed, it stops having that effect.
>>96002779Religious/Zealot content of a violent conversion militar action.
>>96002070schizoid and schizo(phrenia) are not the same thing, they just share a root word
This dude is sick and a staple in several formats, you think is also in danger of a ban?
>>96002895Call me a retard but I don't understand why Vivi is considered so strong
I've only played with the FF stuff in limited thus far though
>>96002900The free mana is always a bullshit but besides that, the faggot grows, hits oppo face and is in the right colours to abuse...
REMINDER: AZORIUS OMNI IS WINNING AT A 60% RATE IN MYTHIC BO3
STANDARD IS (STILL) FLOURSHING
>>96002919How the hell are they cheating it now? I mean EoE will give them another tool again but right now how?
>>96002931You have four different choices for how to reanimate it at five mana and we discussed this at length in yesterday's thread, anon
>>96002919Why stick with azorius now when you NEED to ramp to outrace other decks
Until rotation the llanowar elves / invasion of ergamon / seize the spoils package is simply way better
it can still win the game on turn 3 and easily wins on turn 4
>>960029395 ways to reanimate it at 5 mana if you count builder's talent, and more ways to cheat it out of your hand or library
Its actually possible to build a Yuna shell that can win the game on your end step thanks to a 1-of Valley Floodcaller
Im planning to join Storechamps this weekend to win that promo City of Brass. I cant decide between UW Bunnicorn and Gruul Delirium, which one's in a better spot?
>>95997146>high tidemaybe they should ban gay-ass high tide then
>artifactsI did have equipment but I know that's not what you mean. What would you recommend.
>black card drawSo like maybe Serrated Scorpion and saccing that with like Corrupted Conviction?
Any other suggestions would be nice for a monoblack pauper deck.
>>96002939>>96003061Sincerely I thought Yuna was the safest choice but I guess this is what you get when instead of BAN THE MOTHERFUCKING OMNISCIENCE you ban just one way to cheat it. WotC are secretly evil masters.
>>96003065Both seems pretty tier 2 but Standard right now is open so I would try delirium is a cool deck and was strong before Cutter incident.
what should edge of eternities introduce for artifacts/affinity to become a thing?
>>96003105Cranial Plating-like finisher. With all the trinket creation Azorious aggro already has like Spyglass Siren and Novice Investigator, its the only thing missing to quickly end games
>>96003100Yuna is probably the worst choice given the huge deckbuilding constraints and she still just dies to a go for the throat for 4 mana
>>96003155Also its a huge PITA on arena client because you have to set a hold priority stop on your end step and click through every trigger or else the client will pass to the opponents turn if you ever let go of full priority
That said, its possible
>>96002900>put vivi down>opt>opt>sleight of hand>opt>does 4 damage and now a 4/7>add 4 mana to mana pool>stock up and sleight of hand again>6 damage total this turn and now a 6/9
>>96003191Looks like the white card was the wrong ban yet again and this anon is proving it with a yuna meme deck. Looks like JotC should've banned more blue cards instead of banning a harmless white card that wasn't a problem until Omniscience was printed in foundations. It's a shame that JotC hates white people and white cards.
>>96003192Is wrong to despise and vomit at all Izzet game patterns?
>>96003251No. You are right to be disgusted.
>>96003209That's not even close to the best list though
I'm having way more success with this list
Outcaster Trailblazer most underrated mana rock
>>96003251nah, even wotc knows
>>96002895>pushed Mythic Rare(tm)>in the first Magic: the Gathering(tm) Universes Beyond(tm) standard-legal set>even remotely in danger of getting bannedas if they wouldn't ban literally a hundred in-universe cards to prevent banning a UB card
lol
lmao
>>96003281>they purposely design izzet to be as disgusting as possible
>>96003251It is the worst of all play patterns in MTG.
>>96002779Anon do you not understand what crusades are
>Omni has gone up in winrate since the bannings.
>Ban a deck, it gets better.
Good job, Wizards!
>>96003429>Combo decks like Azorius Omniscience are something we want to exist in Standard, but when too strong, they warp the format around them and reduce the number of viable decks.>Proceeds to warp the format because they nerfed all the decks above itTitans of intellect at WotC.
>>96003425Technically a crusade is not the same as "The Crusades"; but explaining that nuance and arguing about it is harder than just playing a better fucking anthem.
Just play Honor of the Pure. It's mechanically identical and takes one less W pip.
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7th 7-win draft in a row
doesn't matter how bad the seat is, I just can't lose in this format jesus
>>96003425>>96003543The crusades nonetheless were just the inevitable retaliation by the Christian nations against at least 400 years raids and invasions by the Islamic nations. And then this is ignoring that part of the crusades were the military action against Pagans in north-eastern Europe.
So a series of a few wars centered around religion was somehow racist because it's on a white card and JotC of course hates both white cards and white people.
>>96002245Yeah. You put counters on them.
>retard thinks one more turn is too hard an ask when wizzards have gutted aggro into the fucking ground
Omnichads, Standard is ours
>>96003646I think the bans are retarded but they banned Jihad too
>>96003703just because it's white
if it was in any other color they would have left it
>>96001185>How i'm supposed to make this lands valuable when i have to crew for 12?Get 5 counters on it at some point.
Warp Anticausal Vestige for 4 mana.
Anticausal Vestige gives you the other 7 counters.
Spend 2 mana to sac Anticausal Vestige.
Draw 8 cards and cheat something into play.
Is this particular example any good? Probably not.
Are warp decks going to be doing something similar? Definitely.
>>96003702Wow aggro sure feels so g-
>t0 leyline of resonance>t1 cacophony scamp>t2 dreadmaws fire / wild ride / turn inside out
>>96003715>Get 5 counters on it at some point.>Warp Anticausal Vestige for 4 mana.You can also just blink it with Splash Portal to crew it again + keep the creature and still get the leave trigger.
>>96003722if that was as good or as strong a cutter mice, cutter mice wouldn't have dominated.
>COMIN DOWN THE MOUNTAAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kAIMlISHhU
>>96003735Or you could not play a 5 mana combo to "crew a station and get a 7/5 creature" in a format where you can still win the game on turn 3 with aggro or combo decks
>>96003722>Leyline>Mountain>Scamp>T2 Go to Combat>No blocks>You cast DI/WR/TIO>They use removal>You scoop Did you have fun losing on Turn 2, anon?
>>96003773Notice how you didn't say "cut down"
Omniscience will always warp a format if there is a consistent way to to cheat it out. it's the closest an enchantment can be to "you win the game if this sticks"
Does anyone who plays even regularly buy sealed anymore?
I know people occasionally getting boxes or bundles for a draft night or something, but no one in my area (4 LGS's)who legitimately plays ever gets sealed
Is it a scam or what's going on?
>>96003809Even if omniscience was banned someone would figure out a way to break dragogenesis
>>96003832>dragogenesis>omniscience>comparable at allit's not even on the same range of power magnitude my dude
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find the 9 cuts
>>96003832The worst thing you can do with Dracogenesis post-rotation is cast a bunch of draft chaff used to get it out in a reasonable amount of time and/or cast Ureni for free, or, y'know, you could just reanimate Ureni. The tutoring convoke dragon is rotating in August, so you won't be able to do any bullshit with that card for more than a month.
>>96003844And yet, even a weak card like dracogenesis could be theoretically turned into an instant win reanimator combo
2x marang + dragonhawk, terror of the peaks or tyrant of kher ridge is instantly lethal
you can cast free dragons off dragonhawk to find more marangs in a pinch, since unlike omni it can cast from exile
2x marang + hoarding broodlord could loop your whole library with the right setup if you convoke out creatures that make tokens or whatever
free shiko could recur stock up to dig for the dragons you need, hidetsugu is dig 3, even capricious hellraiser is both a reanimate spell and a potential restock
Free spells break the game. Every time
Once upon a time even broke the game and it was just a cantrip
>>96003921omni wins because it makes the spells needed to defend it free as well
draco gives you free stuff too but you probably have to keep it alive fair and square
>>96003921>all those dragons>not a single way to cheat out the fat enchantment>dies to enchantment removal
>>96003942I mean that literally included a way to cheat out fat enchantment in the list of dragons
Omnipotence should have had an "As long as it was cast" clause
>>96003951hoarding broodlord is not cheating it out when you run no cheap creatures or tokens
hellraiser is random and needs you to get the enchantment into the graveyard (which you don't have)
shiko does not hit anything that can reliably bring back dracogenesis, afaik
this isn't even getting into how you're apparently in 4c and running zero removal, yet you somehow expect to cast stuff like hellraiser with triple red pips
>>96003958Capricious Hellraiser
>>96003942How often do people even try to interrupt omni combo with instant speed enchantment removal? 1 out of 5 games it goes off, tops
More likely to try to counter it with a spell pierce than have a get lost
Fizzle rate is vastly more important than protection, the only reason mistveil isn't a game changer like cavern of souls is that costing 6 mana to cast abuelos was already unplayable in a standard this fast and now its 7 mana to protect your repair and recharge
>>96003986ah, forgot marang discards instead of shuffling back a card
so sure, you've got a 4 mana spell to set up your 6 mana dice roll to hopefully combo off
>want to check some card rules
>go to gatherer by mistake
>get hit with the new site abomination
it hurts
>>96003986You only need to cast a single reanimation spell to get the enchantment out, the rest of the spells are to churn through your deck
That reanimation spell doesn't need to be a dragon. There's no point you'd need to cast a campus restoration after reanimating dracogenesis, all its doing then is being an impulse draw.
You realize that once UW omni combo casts its reanimate spell, any further reanimate spells are dead draws just like lands right
>shiko does not hit anything that can reliably bring back dracogenesis, afaikWhen you have dracogenesis out and need to hit more cards, shiko could hit a stock up, which finds you a marang
Every tribe should be like zombies, where they have a tribal omniscience and a tribal swarm intelligence and they're still shit.
Does anyone know when I can use these to play Vintage Cube for free? Does the season end around August 6, allowing them to be used then?
>>96003988Both Hoarding Broodlord and Capricious Hellraiser rotate in a month. Youโre proposing a deck that will be locked out of standard soon just to argue that itโs on-par with a card that will be in standard for FIVE YEARS, not to mention the only reason it even exists to begin with is because WotC decided MoM and One should still be legal in 2025, long after they decided it would rotate out by the end of 2024.
>>96004005ok anon, you can invest in dracogenesis and make big bucks when it skyrockets in price
>>96004014the only cards you need to win after dracogenesis is 2x marang + {any dragon that deals damage} which includes many that won't rotate
>>96004032>the only cards you need to win after dracogenesisbro skipped the hard part right away to talk about the payoff
>>96004032>Restricted to one spell for free card draw into your actual winconStill sounds way worse than Omniscience.
>Mono Wh*te tokens is now tier 1 contender in Standard
>>96004093Turns out chump blocking is actually really good. Im glad WotC unbanned that strategy
>>96004093wasn't elspheth dead?
>>96004032The only cards you need to win are a fireball and some lands.
>>96004067Campus restoration, repair and recharge, capricious hellraiser, squirming emergence, invasion of tolvada, builders talent
what more do you need
>>96004122Died, met Serra (or echo thereof), came back as titless angel
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>>96003972Challenge accepted
>>96004139>Died, met Serra (or echo thereof), came back as titless angelLittle known MTG lore fact:
Loot was one of Serra's apprentices.
>>96004130removal to stay alive, mana fixing to not get fucked on lands, more ways than just marang to get your reanimate target into the graveyard...
>>96004143This.
Green Overlord.
Omni. Some fixing and some fat asses.
Seems like a list.
LEYLINES WERE A FUCKING MISTAKE
>>96004143>Leylines all about jackpot early turn advantage>make a leyline that needs 5 mana before it becomes operational what did wotc meant by this?
>>96004177To save on 3 mana, of course. It's a free black lotus.
>>96004156refer to
>>96003271outcaster and overlord both ramp to t4 kill but also turn into a draw engine with marang and bounce spells
>>96004189>That flavor text I want to go back
>>96004194Seems good. Less able to handle threats though, but it's not like the format even has any threats anymore lmao.
>>96004206could build it as a control shell with white mana
>>96004220Tough to hit Overlord's GG consistently with a 3c mana base.
I am not convinced that WOTC does any sort of play-testing or any attempts to design & curate a healthy 60-card format. I feel like they use AI to put random words and keywords on the cards, they play-test cards with one Commander game* and then they just ship it.
*and in the playtest game, if a card is a problem they change one thing about the card at random and then don't re-test.
>>96004230>am not convinced that WOTC does any sort of play-testing or any attempts to design & curate a healthy 60-card format.I mean, it's pretty much a fact at this point.
They LITERALLY stated in the latest B&R that they didn't test whether card advantage results in winning games. They have actual toddlers running the playtesting and all they do is play EDH.
>>96004226tougher, but not if you only really plan on hitting WURGB after one of your 8 mana rocks and keep everything in just blue/green with the other colors being splashed on lands
in my current list I've got 5 lands that don't make green and 5 that don't make blue, 15 that makes blue and green
what are the odds you'll hit 3 lands by turn 3, have an overlord not trailblazer and have a full 2+ out of 5 of the 24 lands with the non-green ones
>>96004233>B&R that they didn't test whether card advantage results in winning games.it's evolving, but backwards
Seriously, actually, look how stupid the people in charge of this game are.
Seriously, actually, look how stupid the people in charge of this game are.
>>96004252>Identifying cards and evaluating their strength in the context of interaction is something that we are incorporating going forward.>>>>>>>>going forwardWow. Just wow.
>>96001022 (OP)>TQMANA makes the world go round
The world go round, the world go round
>>96004242It's fucking crazy that they literally just stated outright in the B&R announcement
>"We have not been evaluating cards based on their strength up to this point, but will start doing so now."Like fucking what the FLAMING FUCKING SHIT HAVE YOU EVEN BEEN DOING UP TIL NOW THEN!?
>>96004252*ps T ask means Tall Ask
>>9600423060 and 100 card formats are jokes anyways
WotC designs sets for Limited, as they should.
My favorite part of them talking about Cutter in the B&R was the claim that it was Standard's higher power level that made it too strong.
Like, yeah bro. Definitely. It was Standard having a three year rotation that made at-the-top-of-Legacy Steel Cutter able to snowball games.
Incredible observation. Truly genius.
>>96004252That ban announcement really was a goldmine. Not as bad as "standard is flourishing," but it definitely shows you they devote little to no attention to double-checking how powerful standard cards are anymore. Makes you wonder if any of the people that playtest this shit have ever heard of Bitterblossom or Thopter Spy Network.
>>96004302>That ban announcement really was a goldmine. Not as bad as "standard is flourishing,"Ah yes Standard Is Flourishing (tm)
Then three months later ban literally every top deck of said absolutely flourishing format.
So balanced and flourishing that it needed six fucking bans.
Another gem was,
>For now, it feels like Vintage players are exploring ways to exploit the deck-building restrictions Lurrus places on its owner and the incentives she forces in deck building. Not to mention, there's an extremely powerful three-mana permanent coming with Edge of Eternities that we previewed at MagicCon: Las Vegas.
"Vintage players love Lurrus! Also, here's an advertisement!"
>>96004312oh it was flourishing alright
i play forest, tap it for birds of paradise and end my turn
>>96004322Damn. I don't have Bolt.
I concede. G2?
>>96004324gg
You're on the play.
>>96002517Looks like your pissy little racebaiting psyop is starting to backfire. The thread is actually interested in premodern now.
>>96004325I play one (1) swamp, cast Dark Ritual and then also with my three (3) black mana cast Plague Spitter.
Roxanneharmonicon is the kind of deck I wish was competitive.
>>96004333I play forest, tap it for birds of paradise, end my turn and on your upkeep the plague spitter triggers, deals 1 point of damage to everything, kills my birds of paradise and I concede.
gg
>>96004252>>96004302They stopped playtesting a long time ago, this is hardly new news. Why do you think they release sets so quickly nowadays? Why do you think so many new mechanics feel awkward to use with physical cards? They used to write their ideas down on test cards, sit down at tables, and play the damn game, and they only printed cards after they knew they played well. Now they just shit out whatever garbage comes to mind.
>>96004322I put leyline of transformation into play naming dragon and put leyline axe into play
I play an island, tap it to play spyglass siren, make a map. I play mox jasper. I tap mox jasper for black, then sacrifice siren, the map, jasper and the two leylines to cast rottenmouth viper
>>96004355Magic the Gathering?
>>96004252They use more time virtue signaling and having meetings about the company picnic than they spend on playtesting
>>96004356I play a rockface village, tap it for red mana and cast heartfire hero and end my turn.
>>96004355I play an island and cast Unsummon
your go
>>96004355I Force of Will your Viper.
just lost 3 draft games in a row to getting mulliganed to landfuck town an being unable to cast spells vs opponents having their nutdraw bomb curves
I guess 7 trophies in a row is the max, 8 must be impossible.
can't believe the game would stack the bottom percentage bad beats that close together though jesus fucking christ
>>96004410I eat Anon's cards while he's not looking.
>>96004455>can't believe the game would stack the bottom percentage bad beats that close together though jesus fucking christHabeeb it.
>>96004456I pitch 2 Elvish Spirit Guides to cast River Boa, then I reveal my empty hand to free cast Land Grant and fail to find. Your turn.
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>>96004455holy shit I didn't think it could get any worse but the next draft has started out with 4 games straight of mana fucking me.
this is insane. WotC is out to assassinate me. 7 unwinnable games in a row now (I won 2 of them anyways).
>>96004611Have you tried not being shit at the game?
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>>96004642well I'm coming off a 7-trophy heater streak but sharing the good beats instead of the bad would probably piss you off even more lol
here are my draft stats from June.
you ever been good at a game?
Planetary comic was cool; if nothing this set has distinct visuals.
>>96001022 (OP)>TQhttps://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga
>>96004891Here's the panels for the comic.
>>96004143Isnt this just a fucking meme? I mean sure you can cheat omni if you have the leyline, the colours and the time but the chances of all that happening at the same time seems slim.
>>96001022 (OP)monoblack decks making a comeback?
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these sick fucks are pulling opponents from the very bowels of hell
>>96004891daring today aren't we
Sumist in Eastern Europe spoken directly means a Sumo Wrestler. I like the design they go for, and hope we can have a Pauper (the best MTG format) deck, with some of the new cards from this.
>>96004964Monoist Supremacy, just look at this chads
>>96001093>>96004909I want to see more of them.
>>96004189IS THAT LE HECKIN WHOLESOME PUPPERINO DIVORCE THANOS GAUNTLET?
>>96005008Anon, it was printed twenty-one years ago
>>96004252They weren't able to do it with six early releases, there is no way they have the means of doing so with eight. It's a minor miracle that Limited so far hasn't been a total trainwreck, but 60 card format balancing becamse something they do after the set releases now.
I play omniscience combo in standard post-rotation
I find temporary lockdown no longer really worth it, not enough 1-2 mana stuff after cutter is out
My list is currently:
>2 parting gust
>3 get lost
>2 exorcise
>2 bounce off
>3 thundertrap trainer
>4 stock up
>4 day of judgemtn
>3 arcane proxy
>3 marang river regent
>4 omniscience
>4 portent of calamity
>1 invasion of arcavios
>25 lands in UW
works great for me, its a stock up format indeed
All the OMNI fags must die. Cheating your way to victory should be illegal.
>have 1 card left in hand and nothing but lands on field
>opponent is at 20 life
>cast a single spell, win the game
omni #1 best card
>>96005158It is still an infinity gauntlet reference anon
>>96005278Anon Omni doesnโt read โwhen you cast this spell win the gameโ
You have to cast other ones after it too
>>96004252They have been outright saying that they "don't have time or resources to properly test for anything outside of Limited" for years now, anon.
>>96005405Omni isn't the "1 card left in hand"
Everyone says mtg balance is shot now but never mentions how ABU sets had the most egregiously broken cards to this day many are restricted in vintage.
>>96005479>magic balance today is comparable to when the game was completely new and they had absolutely no idea what they were doingWow you've got a great point there retard.
>>96005475Not to be a pedant but that goes against
>cast a single spell, win the game
>>96005479Yes, but they only became truly powerful once better threats and utility showed up. Serra Angel / Hypnotic Spectre were legitimately the "best" threats for years. People barely played creatures at all if they could help it.
>>96005479Serious question: Can this game EVER achieve "balance"? When was the last time you played a "balanced" format?
>>96005505The game is won at the moment face-up information available to players reveals a determistic end to the game in one players favor. Everything after that is just clicking
>>96005158UMMMM EXCUSE ME YOU MENTALLY ILL INCEL???
THIS GAME WAS NEVER YOURS.
>doctor is complaining about 99$ bundles
Gift bundle with collector booster was 99โฌ, you guys can actually afford higher prices so you get charged more + tariffs
Quit your bitching, American middle class be like WE ARE LE POOR
>>96005569These people one missed klarna doordash payment away from losing everything.
omni cries are made by aggrobabs that can't handle efficient combos without the help of broken shit cards.
>>96005569Impressive, very nice...
Now let's take away white men's taxes.
Make a deck that qualifies as white.
Then go 5-0.
>>96005671People is already doing it:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7211620#paper
Unless your idea of "qualifies as white" comes from a very deep schizophrenia.
>>96005475This thing is complete fucking dogshit
>>96005693>cast any spell for 1U>bad
>>96005693is winning games on their own, how can be shit?
>>96005693/mtgg/ does it again, folks!! Another example of great card evaluation!!!
>>96005688>if your deck contains more non-basic plains than basic plains, it is not a white deck>if your deck contains any cards without one white pip, it is not a white deck>If your card contains a card with more non-white pips than white pips, it is not a white deck>if your deck contains cards drawn by a non-white or representing a non-white, it is not a white deck>if your deck contains cards printed without an old frame, it is not a white deck>if you are not white, neither is your deckDo you accept the challenge anon?
>Inb4 low functioning Aspergers anon starts to screech schizo
>>96005709READ NIGGA READ
>>96005727If i play plains, in fact only play white colored cards, the deck is white what the hell are you saying here? What's that list of "non-white" play?
>>96005727>Have a deck for this>Realize I am not sure if Spaniards are white
>>96005709>Tragic: portent of calamity user has never actually played the card
>>96005729>instawins on turn 4/5is that a bad card again?
>>96005522Doubt it WotC has to sell mythic rares and the easiest way is to make them meta relevant, either matching or surpassing the previous bar of power
>>96005738Zero reading comprehension...
Anon, I am trying to be nice but you have low functioning Aspergers syndrome, get checked.
>>96005741Rule of thumb is "if you have to ask the answer is no"
>>96005750You are in fact a retard. Last (You) for your asshole.
>>96005758I tried sorry guys
>>96005747Instawins how? The top four cards of your library need to have a perfect combination of types for you to even be able to cast anything off this for 4U. Even with a Brainstorm (and a perfect hand) played first this is still unplayably bad. Might as well go gamble with Manifest Dread + blink.
>>96004909>Sorcery speedDoA
>>96005759>SorceryOh no, you don't
>>96004252>>96005458that's why tournaments are dead? It's casual play all the way down...
>>96005769>>96005771https://scryfall.com/card/scd/93/murder
Better?
>>96005760Lil aspie mad lol
>>96005794>3 manaWorse, anon, worse.
>>96005794That's illegal tho? You can't commit murder.
>>96005553Actually that's not a robot. That's Iron Man.
>>96005522I donโt think I ever played a balanced format thereโs always been some really hated cards/decks but someoneโs got to be the best in any given format. Iโd say modern after the eggs ban wave which iirc was the third set of bans for the format?
>play Portent of Calamity for 4U
>reveal Omni, land, Roiling Dragonstorm, land
>put dragonstorm and land into my hand
>just paid 4U for Stock Up
wooooooowww
>>96004909It's not 10 years ago.
>>96004909There are three or four cards similar to that in current standard and none of them are used in competitive play because they are slow as fuck.
>>96003703why they its racist, the muslims look like gigachads in this one
>6 cards banned
>mah boi Kuja still unplayable
Very sad.
>>96001078Huh, an actual Gay Nigger from Outer Space
>>96005970Your gaydar activated?
>Deduce
>Think Twice
>Dreams of Laguna
Which one control bros?
>>96005710who the fuck is winning games with "maybe, maybe get the top X cards of your library to cast for free"
>>96006007Ew, that doesn't draw a second card later.
>>96003733>space gender neutral pronounsi wonder how they are going to translate that card to latin based languages since every fucking word is gendered
bonus point if they try to X it causing a shitstorm
>>96006095Latinxes have no culture of their own kek
>>960060951. Who the fuck buys trannylated cards?
2. They use he/him or the retarded Elle shit.
>>96001078>that crammed in head and vauge pose and flat lighting.
>>96006095Latinx voted for trump so they don't count as minorities anymore
>>96006095Aren't they cutting out latin translations one by one anyway
>>96006095Just slightly rewrite the sentence? I can easily see how it'd go in Portuguese, Spanish shouldn't be too difficult.
>Quando Sami estava triste, sempre voltava para seu velho conforto: o barulho e o tinido das mรกquinas.
>>96005970I noticed the movie also had a similar scene to this. Is it a reference to a space film?
>>96006429What are they trying to convey with this image?
station is not a good mechanic.
>>96005158How old do you think the infinity gauntlet is?
>>96006454>stations on your spacecraft
>>96006454>Station only as a sorcery Dreadnaught bros...
It's over.
It's so fucking over...
>>96006454>>96006510>As a SorceryFor me that's the line that completely ruins it. Why can i put counters in my Oppo turn?
>>96005990Deduce is likely the best fit unless you specifically have triggers or benefits from casting something from anywhere but your hand.
>>96006522The designers HATE boardstalls, the possibility of such a thing actually keeps them up at night. I'm not sure they talk about it as much anymore because the possibility of such a thing happening has basically been eliminated, but you can find some old Maro posts/podcasts about it around the time they came out with Raid in Khans.
It's why they basically don't print defensively-statted creatures anymore(giant spider for example is always a 4/4) and everything has some busted when this attacks trigger. The idea of skillful players winning almost every game of limited by successfully navigating complex boardstates actually makes them seethe.
>>96006571It is also why they are waging a war against First Strike, and why we see the fucking stupid "this has First Strike on your turn only" crap.
Again, First Strike is only a board stall when the attacker doesn't know how to properly attack / doesn't want to attack, which is WotC public enemy number one right now.
>>96006571There's 29 FIN creatures below rare that have toughness greater than power, wtf are you on about?
>>96006603I posted one such example of a creature with toughness greater than power, but if you RTFC you'll understand what I mean. It isn't defensively stated in a way that creates boardstalls the way giant spiders do, it is a defensive creature, but it becomes a massive threat and turns the corner once you hit 7 lands.
You can look at the rest of these other creatures and you'll see exactly what I mean. Savh's Chocobo, Sahagin, and Gaelicat are all technically defensively statted, but they definitely don't create boardstall mulitblocking situations.
>>96006695And what about Fang, Rufus, goobblue gardener, or Graha Tia?
>sitting there idly passing turns back and forth while neither of us do anything significant until the game gets decided by someone topdecking an overrun is a good thing, actually
I'm glad even wotc isn't as retarded as you guys
We need more anime style cards.
>>96006755Welcome to loony troony 4channy design; the game is about holding someone hostage to be my friend.
New story revealed a new card, I'll recap later when I feel less like dogshit.
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>>96006721Fang melds with vanille to literally win the game. It is the only reason you play the card.
Graha Tia has secret text that makes all of your dorks unblockable while drawing you cards off your treasures.
Rufus literally has an attack trigger because the idea of you blocking with him makes tranny designers shit their pants in terror.
You got me on goobue, qiqirn merchant, and the initial one you posted, but those alone aren't exactly mounting a defense in very many games. Even if you've got these, your opponents grizzly bears are living weapons, they just make a 3/3 and attack with it. I've played hundreds of games of this format, watched hundreds of games of this format, and have literally never seen a single board-stall topdeck war for a reason.
>>96006755You're right sis games should be decided by the die roll. I love "When-This-Attacks the Gathering"
What is this expression trying to convey?
>>96006818Hes been edging for eternity
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>>96006391>Portugueseanon....
>>96006380You know, for having such a inclusive "woke" discourse they are sure doing its best to be it as USA centric as it can be
Say something to the face that's gonna dominate standard until 2027
>>96006847That is their fate. In an effort to be hyper-inclusive they end up actually being more racist / exclusive than whoever they perceive as "the enemy".
>>96006874i still cannot get over the "latin" SL be mexican steroritypes
>>96006872>5 fucking manaI'd be delighted if a 5 mana card can be considered dominant in standard
>>96006874>be Argentino>all i want is cards to be Obtainable if possible in my language>get a picture of a fat gay nigger in a sombrero and have some gringo chick telling "this is you"t-thanks
>>96007140We already have a thread to go to because shills split it.
>>96000664>>96000664>>96000664
>>96001093>DUDE PURPLEjesus christ the memories of playing the evil faction in 10000 shitty 2010's online f2p games are hitting me all at once
>>96005693Portent of Calamity is completely fucking dogshit indeed
>>96001881I am always respectful to OG Phyrexians. nuPhyrexia and Troondrazi both can fuck off.
