Thread 96004815

10 IQ and 10/10 style edition

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>>Previous thread:
>>96000486

>Thread question:
What proxies do you use?

>>96004815 (OP)
Ogryn best.

>>96004815 (OP)
>TQ

I'm replacing lord solar leontus with a kasrkin "unbroken" model kitbashed with a genestealer alphus bike. I have a whole squad of death riders on dirt bikes to go with him.

>>96004815 (OP)

Do you feel it yet, mr. anon?

>>96004848
>taking death riders
Grim

>>96004855
Still some time to go then. Sounds like next starterset is Deldar vs marines "again". Like way back.

>>96004868
No, the next starter is with orks
dark eldar are getting updated as a normal wave

What do we consider 'Elite' for this month challenge? Small units, battlefield designation? 10e codices are definitely not the best source for this kind of information.

>>96004863
My plan is to have atleast one full unit of everything. I hate the way the horses look so i did bikes. I have 2 baneblades, 2 dorns, 5 lemans, 19 chimeras, 2 hydras, 2 field guns, 70 kasrkin, 300 shock troopers, 5 cadian snipers, 2 valkyries, 1 manticore, 1 hellhound, and a bunch of single guys like the master of ordnance. I ordered a bunch of metal storm troopers and oldhammer infantry dudes. I own all the codices for imperial guard but i've never played warhammer as IG. I haven't played since 2008 when i had ultramarines.

>>96004868
Nah, Starter is Orks v Humans which is also traditional. The DE are just going to be a massive refresh wave the same way Eldar have been for the last two editions. DE have a history of getting their entire range redone all at once.

>>96004882
How did you do the bikes? Got any pictures? Really don't want ponies in my army

>>96004880
I think you have a lot of leeway, you can probably pick almost anything other than chaff infantry like guardsmen.

>>96004880
Anything that has ever been in the elite slot.

>>96004897
>DE have a history of getting their entire range redone all at once.
DE got their range redone once
plenty of other factions also did get a redo, as well as other releases, what DE got wasn't really special

>>96004910
Well, I have some Scouts to be done I guess...

>>96004910
Why did we get rid of this again?

>>96004915
fighting 400 vehicle skews lists makes the game more fun supposedly

>>96004910
Which custodes have been in the elite slot?

>>96004900
I used the bikes, arms and legs from the atalan jackals kit. I put greenstuff on the shin guards and armpits to make them match cadian torsos better. I put the helmets from the kasrkin kit on them. I have 4 more to build before i start painting them. It's a pretty common kitbash if you start looking it up on google you will find some good inspo.

Has anyone used that rock salt method for chipping? Did it work? Did you like it?

>>96004915
so that less newcomers would be turned off by the idea of having to buy units they don't like in order to field the stuff they want, increasing overall sales and new blood, while (theoretically) increasing the variety of armies

>>96004927
Thats fking awesome. Not modeled with lances?

>>96004910
what edition was that?

>>96004949
All of those reasons were wrong so it keeps in line with everything in 10th I guess.

>>96004965
All of them from 3rd to 7th.

>>96004950
I don't really like the way they look. i'm gonna do a guy with a flamer and another chainsword guy in the next 4 i think. Also this image is similar to what im gonna do for lord solar. Im just gonna have it be a kasrkin dude standing next to his bike talking on the radio with binos or something.

Still working on my singleton Dark Angels army but I have hard time to find a reason to field a Land Raider. I want every unit on my list to have a Transport unless they have some fancy deployment rules.
>Tacs arrive in a Rhino
>Sternguard arrive in a Razorback
>Devastators arrive in a Drop Pod
>Scouts arrive in a Land Speeder Storm
>Termies can teleport
>Jump Vets can deep strike
Where does the Land Raider fit here? What Firstborn unit benefits from being stuffed into that brick?

>>96004815 (OP)
>What proxies do you use?
I use random looted vehicles as Ork buggies
Considering using genestealer hybrid kabalites as Incubi too

JAMES GIVE ME A DROP POD ASSAULT DETACHMENT AND MY MONEY IS YOURS

>>96004973
>tummy

>>96004973
I wonder if people who post REPENT memes know about Asmodai beyond what TTS told them.

Why wouldn't CSM use drop pods?

>>96004992
>i wonder if [secondaries] know more about [thing] than [whatever sloptuber] told them
truly a question for the ages

>>96004995
because they are an opponent faction and opponent factions don't get utilities to act with, only targets to field.

>>96004880
lookup your army in wahapedia 9th and check what was in the Elite slot
if it's a new unit you can probably infer it, if it's OC1, not fast and doesn't have big ass guns it's most likely Elite

Shibon cried. Actually brought a tear to my eye. Much of the rest of Era of Ruin was meh.

>>96005011
dunno, ask /hhg/

>>96004922
Quite a few options actually

>>96004995
They do. They always have. Even in the recent lore of the World Eater's codex talks about warbands launching attacks via drop pods. I know we had that FW dreadclaw but it was pricey and a fucking stupid flyer hybrid.
I feel like GW thinks drop pods are an iconic SM thing and for that reason don't want to give it to CSM, even though they already share things like preds, landraiders, rhinos etc.

>>96005031
>they already share things like preds, landraiders, rhinos etc.
they shouldn't
they should have steeds instead of bikes, chariots instead of rhinos, demon engines instead of tanks, and at best I can allow the land raider but only if it's heavily mutated and carrying an altar to the gods.

>>96005018
Space Marines can cry.

>>96005045
who said they couldn't, they cry all the time, that's not new

>>96004922
Use 9th Edition wahapedia

>>96004970
Nice. I don't like the lances either. My thought was model them with frag/Grenade throwing arms or even bandoliers of grenades

>>96004976
>god of war is 20 years old
Man I still remember grabbing it from the store

be honest, /tg/, what warhammer youtubers do you watch?

>>96005078
>warhammer youtubers
nah

>>96005078
not a single one, this also applies to hobby sloptubers

>>96005061
Really? Read about 80% of the books and never known them cry.

>>96005078
Tabletop Tactics for some gaemplay. Vince Venturalla for whenever I need some tips on how to do a thing, and Poorhammer

>>96004815 (OP)
>10 IQ and 10/10 style edition

>>96005078
None its all faggotry with loud heavy metal music and high pitched screeching. I didn't realize how much I hated this until I saw Beard from Tapletop Tactics. It seems completely illogical but I want to hurt that little faggot. Even the fucking painting videos are drowned out in royalty free dubstep and shit. Then you have cash cows like Mordian Glory literally pulling in $1000+ a stream in donations and then turning around and telling his fans he needs to eat beans and toast cus money is tight. The list goes on.

>>96005088
>me walking into the FLGS with my off-meta IG list ready to lose my 10th game in a row

>>96004815 (OP)
>TQ
I have an old warmachine mini, some skull-faced lady in heavy armor, that I use as a Dogmata in my Sisters.

>>96005087
>>96005093
>Tabletop Tactics
They're just a bit too animated with very high register voices. it's Play on Tabletop for me

>>96004992
It's a troongooner posting tranny 40K art, you think he's even touched someone else's model, much less got any of his own?

>>96005109
ai getting pretty good, but the tips of the chainswords not matching and tufts of fur at mid-calf and around the front of the collar make no sense

>>96005111
I like how Play on Tabletop structures their battle reports and the production value they put into them, but I can't stand the actual people they have playing the game. Especially the main guy they have that usually plays Guard. I'm a Guard player and just the fact that someone as obnoxious as him also plays Guard makes me want to throw my minis in the trash.

>>96005111
PlayOn's models look like shit, Fletcher's model on the other hand are the shit.

This guy is the best eldar fan artist hands down, I wanted to comission him to draw Vect since we have no art of him. He charges 650USD so fuck that. Real shame

>>96005078
>watch regularly
Eons of Battle, Miniac, Ebay Miniature Rescues, Play on Tabletop, pete the wargamer, duncan rhodes, jordan sorcery
>watch occasionally
ninjon, goobertown hobbies, mordian glory, 40k theories
>only skim videos
autism tactics
>hatewatch
midwinter minis, snipe and wib, arbitor ian

>>96005128
that isn't ai

>>96005133
Legitimately good art costs money. AI art has devalued all the hack job entry-level artworks which means that real art is at even more of a premium now. I'm sure you can find someone to paint over some slop for you for cheap though if you aren't interested in developing some skills yourself.

>>96005078
Luetin, that's about it.

>>96005139
>ninjon
>goobertown
unironically kys

>>96005139
Autism Tactics is such a weird resource. It's like the yahoo news of Warhammer community chatter and aggregated headlines. Funny that he reports on 4chan shit-posting "rumors" so often.

>>96005133
>face like an aging troon
Nah

>>96005133
>badly traced porn
>best eldar fan artist

>>96005151
I'm not mad at him for charging that much I just can't afford that atm is all

>>96005167
>Badly traced
Look at those feet anon. We know that's the only thing Eldar fags care about.

>>96005139
>Snipe and Wib

Yeah they are annoying and extremely gay (plus you just know Snipe pegs Wib every night), but if you can get past that, they do cover some pretty interesting topics. Especially when it comes to informing newer players about what old 40k was like.

>>96005139
>Ebay Miniature Rescues
always tempts me to buy some used models on ebay

>>96005131
he's their most animated main player so that makes sense. maybe you'd like minisodes - quieter, lower voice, 2nd ed batreps

>>96005078
>try listening to britbong youtuber
>"laysgun"

>>96005183
I sincerely hate the British.

>>96005133
If this is the best fan art that Eldar can muster then they truly are a dead faction of NPCs.

>56% of competitive players are either DG or a flavour of Knight
wow that's grim

>>96005225
It's probably the worst hullspam meta since the start of 10th before they changed the titanic rules and nerfed Eldar
If you bring lots of stuff that can eat knights and terminators though you will be fine.

>>96005225
>wow that's grim
Dark, even

>>96005225
even casual games are full of meta bullshit, its rare to see anyone playing a game that just consists of whatever the player has access to or fun related units. its all sweaty shit

>>96005232
post your list that consists of what you have access to or fun related units

>>96005232
That's what happens when the player base becomes dominated by kids who grew up on nothing but video games. All they know how to do is min/max and play the meta. Video games have truly ruined gaming as a whole.

Where the fuck are my drop pod rules, GW?
Give them to me. Stop being massive faggots for a change.

>TQ
so, so many
GK don't have good options for most HQ so I kitbashed ~all of them. this has instilled a dislike of buying character kits.
>Draigo
>Grandmaster/Brother-Captain
>Chaplain

And I've slowly been acquiring BAngels
>Dante
>The Sanguinor
>Lemartes
>Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack (rip, guess they're chaplains now)

I bought of ton of phobos bodies for various kitbashes. the list goes on and on.

they're not perfect, but they're mine.

>>96005237
2 dakkajets, 2 burna bommers, a squad of burnas (not fun but not really meta), 12 squighog boyz, kommandos, a kill rig (and by extension a wurr boy), think i have a blastajet in pieces somewhere, a shitload of nobz with big choppas, a lot of shoota boyz, a handful of legends characters, id have to go through a few boxes to find what else i have. i dont have any buggies which are the funnest of the lot

>>96005241
its really sad to see desu, its not about fun anymore for these people, its just about winning

>>96004815 (OP)
I've been listening to some 40k vidya music and I'm starting to think that there's a negative correlation between how prominently space marines are featured in a game and how good the soundtrack is. Mechanicus and Darktide have no marines, but they have dope soundtracks. Rogue Trader and Inquisitor Martyr have some marines, but focus is overwhelmingly on non-marine characters, and the soundtracks are still quite good. The Space Marine and DoW games put marines front and center, and those games have completely forgettable musical scores.

I'll give Hired Gun and Chaos Gate a listen to see if the theory holds, but right now it seems like marines somehow make 40k sound meh.

>>96005244
I got your drop pod rules right here!

>>96004975
Cool art desu

>>96005128
>>96005144
kek

>Look at any video involving Eldar
>Comments say the reason humanity is the way they are is due to them birthing Slaanesh
I'm fully fucking convinced any time I read this same sentence, these people know NOTHING about Eldar lore and shit. It's as annoying as seeing anything being as grimdark as the "Daemonculaba".

>>96005078
a couple of kit bashing focused one
I'm not invested enough to remember their names

>>96004815 (OP)
>TQ

a scratchbuilt trukk, 5 kommandos w/ rokkits and the old tankbusta nob as tankbustas, and thats about it

>>96005273
Humanity created chaos as a whole. Humanity itself has been the problem.

>>96005139
>Pete the Wargamer

I liked him a lot more before he started putting his face in his videos. I don't understand why every YouTuber feels the need to always reveal their face. They can never just keep their channel purely about their content and always have to eventually make it about themselves.

>>96005289
while I hate it too, its the nature of the algorithm
they'll get more views and clicks with a face and even if they're doing it for the love of the hobby, if they can make a few bucks on top then why wouldn't they

>>96005281
WHAT? wasn't chaos around befor humanity was a thing? I am not sure if this is old or new lore but chaos was an alternate dimension full of energy the "old ones" tapped into to use as a weapon against necrontyr, but how you have to pull something into this universe you have to give something back so thoughts and feelings of oldones and their creations birthed "live" in the chaos realm manifesting as damons n shit...

>>96005289
I used to like Pete until he sold his soul to GW. It's obvious he signed that one NDA just so he can get free shit ahead of time.
Also in general I've felt that his conversion stuff has just become boring and very basic. Hell, he doesn't even finish the fucking conversion/kitbash series he even starts.
>here's how you can convert these models to be from the iron warriors legion
>never continues
Also lot of his shit has just become "hey what if i took X and made it chaos" or it's just his raptor marines, which are both honestly boring and uninspired to me.

>>96005289
was going to post this >>96005302

How ugly are they gonna make the female Dark Eldar models?

>>96005305
Emperor's and Horus' final battle shattered space and time itself which allowed the suffering and anguish from the Siege of Terra and all the Chaotic Warp energy to be poured out into the world at the begining of time. Chaos has always existed.

Humanity was always the problem. Humanity's greatest sin in 40k is its own existance.

>>96005315
Yeah I remember when he used to encourage the use of third party minis and bits in order to save money. Now he only talks about using official GW kits. Sad to see someone who clearly used to be passionate about the hobby sell their soul like that simply because they don't want to work a regular 9-5 job to pay their bills.

>>96005322
Do you really need to ask?

>>96005327
Makes no sensse humanitys existence would have nothing to do with it if it was only because of the fight with horus and big e. also if that stuff is true then 40k is not consistent with its own time travel laws. (also that lore is stupid)

>>96005322
Extremely. It's a trademark of the marxist activist computer CAD monkeys (I shant call them sculptors).
Also look forward to:
>reduction of visible skin
>non-existent breasts
>dark continent style hair

>>96004973
>pedo artist who literally has sexualized little girls as one of his favourite tags on Pixiv
Miss me with that shit

>>96005350
>if it was only because of the fight with horus and big e
Emperor and Horus only exists, because humanity does.
>also if that stuff is true then 40k is not consistent with its own time travel laws.
It's still canon and what really happened at the end of the Heresy. You liking it is irrelevant.

>>96005359
Anon, I like the guy already, you don't need to sell him to me harder.

>>96004973
Land Raiders are a Veteran transport due to basically being a relic vehicle. Terminators usually go in them, but if you don’t want to do that, I’d add Bladeguard to your list

Why does the 10e fluff tell me that Veteran Intercessors exist even if there is no such datasheet in 10e?

>>96005367
Rope yourself

>>96005359
And you 'just happen' to know what their favourite tags are, huh?

>>96005375
>noooooo where is my superfluous datasheet!!1 I can't just paint these guys slightly different I need another datasheet I'm never going to use arghhhhhhhhhh

>>96005362
>You liking it is irrelevant.
true
horus is literally a creation of the emporer and the emporer (is he now "human" from the lore or is it still open he might be an old one or something entirely else?) so it is not the sin of humanity, just the sin of one "man" otherwise it would be the fault of the universe existing because without that humanity would not exist and so on bullshit.

>>96005315
His chaos vulkan looked fucking god awful, it's clear that he just got the fulgrim model for free and had to do something with it, the stubby little arms where he can't even use the hammer two handed let alone properly swing it just looks so silly, it's clear he couldn't be bothered to figure it out and just wanted something he could put out in time to make a sponsorship deal.

>>96005375
You’d just use regular Intercessors and paint them as Vets.

We all know Black Templars scare the hoes. But what Chapter reassures the hoes?

Points costs need to go up like 25-40% across the board. Or everyone changes to 1500 point games.

There's just way too much stuff on the table in a 2k game

>>96005375
>there's no rules for x unit, ergo x unit must not exist

>>96005375
>Terminator Assault Squads
>Bladeguard Veterans
>Sternguard Veterans
>Terminator Squads
>Vanguard Veterans
>Veteran Intercessor Squads
Fact: primaris veterans may only wear terminator and tacticus armor patterns. If a primaris veteran for whatever reason chooses to wear phobos, gravis, or omnis armor, they have to stop being a veteran.

>>96005391
>Points costs need to go up like 25-40%
But enough about Death Guard

>>96004855
In 11th? So DE are the starter?

I sincerely hope that 11th edition brings back forge organization, but in a more permissive way.

>>96005273
Yes, most people on YouTube are retarded secondaries who don't know shit about the setting beyond memes, and never touched any tabletop material or a codex at all.

>>96005398
Another 40kg idiot. Its already been reported, even in the same video that you turds are ripping that quote from, that starter will be SM VS ORKS

Do swooping hawks count as elite

>>96005305
>>96005384
Way I heard it is chaos gods even if they come into existence later they somehow have always existed, so humanity creating them throughout history means they;ve somehow always been around, either way a better argument is that even if the eldar created slaanesh (which doesnt make sense since the craftworlders/exodites had no part in it), humanity gave every chaos god countless marines and random human followers, not to mention indirectly creating the great rift

>>96005273
Nobody gives a fuck about your gay space elves who suck n' fucked each other so hard they made the gay suck n' fuck god. They exist so humans can shoot them.

>>96005359
>anon is crying over fictional characters again
What's next? You gonna get bootybothered by violence in video games turning people into mass shooters and murderers?

>>96005408
You can own models and play games and not know shit about the lore, you obese smelly FUCK

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96005384
It is humanity's own sin.
Horus Heresy is entirely human made and in causation.

>>96005375
Anon, you're capable of glueing extra bits onto your intecessors and painting as veterans, right?

i didn't paint a model today

>>96005420
Dark Eldar? More like Fart Smelldar!
Lmao, got 'em

>>96005408
i own the 8th, 9th, and 10th ed guard codexes and ive never read anything but the rules for them. codex lore is dry and uninteresting. i do love me some black library slop though

>>96005093
>>96005111
Yeah Lawrence and the crew have lost it. It's too forced and it's easy to see it's forced. Also the dyke chick has been shit since she was brought on with the charisma of a wet fish

>>96005426
He is a marine player, that should give you pause before suggesting he do something that hasn't been outlined by Daddy Workshop in a booklet that came with his box of marines

>>96005352
Marxism is when brown people

>>96005139
> Literal soiboi tier watch list
Big BIG yikes. The exception is Eons because that man can actually hobby and outs in the work

>>96005431
I was going to rag on you and say I don't get you folks except I'm the same with MTG

>>96005431
Anon, if you want to come out as gay, then just say it. There's no need to pussyfoot around it.

>>96005305
He's talking out of his ass about a fake 'leak' from Siege of Terra. Chaos has always been spawned by the War In Heaven following the extinction of the Old Ones. That created the initial concepts that over time became the Chaos Gods as races across the galaxy developed and created minor aspects of each that then combined to make the whole.

>>96005440
i literally didnt even know mtg had lore

>>96005375
>Young intercessor. You are on the 1st company, but we do not grant you the role of veteran.

>>96005439
And what are chuds from the Waffle SS Big Mac Division such as yourself watching?

>>96005390
Honestly, Thousand Sons. They look very nice, they're fun and colorful but with a signified, regal appearance. They aren't committed to slaughter or purging. They're big nerds but they're also tall and buff

>>96005421
Horus heresy human fault...
HORUS heresy entirely human fault...
HORUS SON OF BIG E THAT GOT TEMPTED BY HIS BROTHER AND CHAOS...
yes entirely humanities fault...

>>96005450
>obnoxious retardhuge tits
>literally zero musculature
so fucking tired of fags LARPing as straights in this hobby

Ok, PSA for all newfrens who has just played 10th and doesn't know what an elite role is. Go to wahapedia and pick an older edition. There you'll find your codex and there will be a section for elite roles. Easy.

>>96005442
Oh so it is just about some strange leaks, now i get whats wrong. thx.

>>96005462
I wish it was easier to convince people to play older editions while the new ones catch up on rules.

>>96005375
we need to go back

>>96005446
Intercessors are already the equivalent of a firstborn veteran just by existing. GW needs to stop catering to the firstborn flags and just say 1st Company and all Terminator honors only go to Primaris Marines. Hell, I'd even extend it to any remaining firstborn marines being relegated to non-combat roles while all combat roles are fulfilled by the clearly superior Primaris Marines.

>>96005470
>firstborn flags
gms

>>96005463
I'm not sure why that one picked up of all things but it's been a go-to deflection from Eldarfags any time Slaanesh is brought up now.

>>96005078
Sandman of Terra

I really wish that more important characters died crossing the Rubicon. That surgery is supposed to be extremely dangerous with a brutal recovery period, even for veteran Marines

>>96005483
Sure. Which important character models do you own? Those can be the ones that died

Someone's selling the pic related for whopping €200. I was gonna get 2 ridgerunners, 4 acolytes and an Iconward for €120 but got offered the whole thing. Do I pull the plug? I don't need those stuff but having access to 40 more neophytes + other stuff seems too good to pass. They'll be just sitting on my pile of shame but there aren't any good deals on Neophytes anymore even though I have 40 already.

>>96005456
>>obnoxious retardhuge tits

>>96005466
I hear you. This was more so people don't have to ask" is x an elite" in the thread though. They're asking because the monthly collage theme is elite squad.

>>96005470
I'd also add that the lore should say that firstborn marines aren't even allowed to wear power armor anymore. Not should they be allowed to beat their chapter's iconography anywhere on their uniform. Basically, make the firstborn no better than a chapter serf just to piss off the remaining grogs.

>>96005486
Well, the only named marine I own is Kharn the Betrayer.

Um, why does Lazarus have the Deathwing keyword? He's actually the captain of the fifth company, not the first.

>>96005454
Only reason why Emps or Horus exists is because of humanity, if humanity doesn't exist then Chaos can never be transported back in time to the begining of the universe. Humanity also are responsible for awakening Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle during the middle-ages.

>>96005429
<3

>>96005390
Why did they even know about Templars if Emps wiped out religions on Terra a gorillion years ago

Thinking of using these as proxies for Votann. Would most players consider that acceptable?

>>96005520
Too thin, those are clearly Eldar proxies.

>>96005428
I did, it's a miracle

>>96005499
Like said befor, it is not even clear the emporer is a descent of humans. and even IF, it would be everythings fault that is needed for humans to exist because without that humans would not exist, those are pretty shitty arguments. in addition slaanesh was created befor humans where a thing and humans are supposed to have created the gods that came befor that in the middle ages with barely any human presence while billions of other creatures completly capable of spawning chaos gods have no say in this... i think you have way to much headcanon there.

>>96005078
Mountainside Tabletop, I like the XCOM style of gameplay from Kill Team.

>>96005470
>superior primaris
In the fluff primaris tend to be inexperienced and reckless with larger than necessary casualties. The sovlful way to fix the firstborn/primaris divide would be to adopt the black templar apprentice system.

>>96005416
Shut the fuck up, I like my Ancient Greeks in Space

>>96005534
For some reason i think they are getting worse and worse. More meme and whining every time.

>>96005544
>ancient greeks in space
Yeah I like minotaurs and iron warriors too

>>96005530
>it is not even clear the emporer is a descent of humans
It is clear and already been confirmed. Emperor is a human.
No matter how you try to spin this shit, humanity is the problem and Chaos is humanity's own sins made manifest coming to haunt it.
That's the unsavory truth of 40k and always was.

>>96005530
>it is not even clear the emporer is a descent of humans

Yes it is. How new are you to the setting? The Emperor was born in Anatolia around 8000BC when all the psykers on earth at the time (called shaman) gathered and ritually killed themselves to combine all their souls into one super powerful psyker soul that was then inserted into the human that would become the Emperor as he was being born.

>>96005520
Bro I asked you not to post my incubi proxies until I finished painting them...
I'm not printing any more for you.

>>96005544
The only similarity between the Greek and the eldar is that they both have a penchant for gay sex.

>>96005540
>In the fluff primaris tend to be inexperienced and reckless with larger than necessary casualties.
No, they don't, they're better trained, better armed and are drawn from the best of the best of the golden age of the imperium 10k years ago and put into extensive simulations for all sorts of scenarios and necessities, they're simply superior to firstborn in every respect.

>>96005549
Now i am sure you are just blabbering, it definitly was not always like that and have quite the twisted sence of responsibillity 8or pretend to).

>>96005550
A. that must be new lore or come from your ass.
B. that would make him absolutely not human. (even if maaaaayyyybe human made or maybe chaos made)

>>96005520
Got bored of sticking them up your ass?

>>96005327
That's not what happened at all.

give lightning claws dev wounds, you cowards

>>96005359
carnac you should stop looking at pedo artists pictures and just stop being a pedo in general

>>96005078
Trovarion for painting ideas, Billion dollar clown farm for the lols.

>veteran intercessor decides to strap on a jump pack
>is now an assault intercessor with jump pack, but no longer a veteran
>veteran intercessor decides to armor up in gravis
>is now a heavy intercessor, but no longer a veteran
>veteran intercessor decides to keep his armor as is but picks out a different gun he's trained to handle
>is no longer an intercessor at all
This is what the loss of force org, wargear, and ppm has done.

>>96005133
Gotta be honest, Yvraine looks like she smells bad. Not just in that piece but in general. Like a 'genuinely unpleasant to be around' sort of stench.

>>96005574
It's not new lore. It's been around since at least 3rd edition. The fact that you aren't aware of it exposes you as someone who just joined the hobby in 10th.

>>96005558
>penchant for gay sex.
But that is imperium's niche

>>96005575
Found the assmad Votann player who can't take a fucking joke.

>>96005617
I guess i let you to your delusions then. Have a nice day.

>>96005411
No they're fast attack, like assault marines.

>>96005642
Prove that's yours. Post a pic with timestamp.

>>96005564
That’s objectively wrong, sure once they get enough experience they do fine, but in some of the early Indomitus crusade books Firstborn and those who’ve crossed the Rubicon Primaris mention that while the Cawl babies are well trained and competent, they don’t really have the same instincts and understanding that their predecessors did. It wasn’t till after the Unnumbered Sons split up after several bloody campaigns that they were acknowledged as now being pretty much the same, just bigger, stronger, and faster.

>Paint all night to finish a unit so I can play it for the game tomorrow
>Do it, but end up squeezing just a few hours to sleep before the game
>Wake up
>Message from my opponent saying he can't make it

Good morning anons, I'll grab my coffee.

"elite" may have not been the right choice due to the confusion. maybe an infantry unit that isnt battleline

>>96005420
I hope they will get normal refresh, not like nuLelith

>>96005662
>Firstborn and those who’ve crossed the Rubicon Primaris mention that while the Cawl babies are well trained and competent, they don’t really have the same instincts and understanding that their predecessors did.

And? That isn't definitive at all. Those are just the biased opinions of firstborn who fear being replaced.

>>96005662
>That’s objectively wrong
No, it's correct, they were better than firstborn in literally every situation from the very start.

>>96005411
striking scorpions and fire dragons might count. the rest of the aspect warriors were either troops, fast attack or heavy support

>>96005669
I don't understand how it could cause confusion. It means a terminator or terminator equivalent for your faction.

>>96005642
>>96005660
Still waiting, bitch boy. Prove that rulebook is yours.

Would it be a dumb idea to kitbash an 40k IG regiment using Solar Auxilia bits to create an army that I can pretend was raised from a series of colonies around a gas giant like Saturn (since just pretending to have a Saturn regiment is a no-go in the modern setting)? Vehicles, equipment, and other major pieces are the 40k units, I'd just be using the Auxilia bodies to man everything and make up the infantry.

>>96005700
>I don't understand how it could cause confusion
>anons have been asking about it for the last 2 days and half the time post something that isnt an elite squad

>>96005711
No it's not a dumb idea at all. That's the beauty of the Guard. You can make your dudes look like literally anything and it will still be lore accurate.

>>96005666
Good morning. Do the current havocs not even have the option for alternate heads? This is some scion plasma bullshit right here, sorry.

>>96005711
No, there's an endless potential looks for the imperial guard.
You don't even need to justify or explain it either, you think no planet ever incidentally ended up creating a culture of diving-suit-like guardsmen?

>>96005666
GM anon, they look goog

>>96005732
I love that the classified one kinda looks like the Savlar Chemdogs. I know they weren't conceptualized by GW at that point, but this makes it seem like the Imperium just doesn't even want to acknowledge the existence of the Chemdog regiments.

>>96005669
A quick trip to wahapedia clears up any confusion. Really the only people who don't know what an elite is are new and lazy.

>>96005777
Does that mean I can submit my Atlas Recovery Tank? That was technically listed as an Elite for the Guard in previous editions.

>>96005732
>Mordian is the only one with proper posture
Excellent.

>>96005801
God I love Satsuki and her fat eyebrows

>>96005726
There are a few compatible, all 5 of them are actually different, but they do kind of look similar I admit.

But the bodies instead are the same except for 1, that was the real problem.

I actually got a real Havoc kit, then 3 Chainreaper Havocs and 2 Lascannon Havocs from Z, so I can have a full squad with lascannon and one with chainreapers, but these all came with the same singular body and weapon.

Mixed and match, minor conversion trying to make them look different enough.
Lascannon went great I think, but there is only so much I can do with the chainreaper since it's a 2 handed weapon with only 1 model available.

That's also why I had to convert the Champion in this squad from scratch basically, I didn't have a second one.
Also the kit don't have the powerfist but it's in the option because why not, so I had to figure that out.

>>96005753
Thanks

>>96005788
Is a tank a squad? Don't be like that anon. An elite squad of about 5 models.

>>96005840
Lighten up. It was joke.

>>96005666
Checked
They look great, are chaincannons good with EC or in general right now?

>>96005732
I like the other page. It has a regiment of just naked guys.

>>96005549
Then give a source tip back up this shit then and stop having a meltdown on a Yugoslavic basket-weaving forum

The Emperor is the combination of the souls of 100 shaman, right?

... what's a Shaman?

>>96005711
I had the exact same plan, but they were going to be from a void mining world.

>>96005914
ooga booga protoPsykers

>>96005855
Thanks!

>are chaincannons good with EC or in general right now?
EC don't have Havocs anymore, like most units.
But I play Bile's CSM now.

No idea if they are good, but I would like to try them in Renegade and/or with a Sorceror Terminator somewhere.
The real downside of the Chaincannon is the AP, so I assume if I can fix that they would be good?

>>96005914
>The Emperor is the combination of the souls of 100 shaman, right?
unconfirmed but probably
>... what's a Shaman?
psykers pre-enshitting of the warp.

>>96005914
Powerful psyker perpetuals from ancient times. More and more of them were devoured by daemons mid reincarnation which is why they chose to pool resources.

>>96005924
>god-centric CSM warband
Brother.

>>96005955
Do you also play something like that? I would love to see some pictures if so.

Does using contrast paint make me a bad painter?

>>96005976
I'm finishing up my Serpentine Scourge warband, I'm running them as Tzeentch aligned.
Looking to my right, here is the Sorcerer Terminator with familiar that I have to base and glue. I'll take a better pic when it's done, probably with his fella termis.

>>96005923
>>96005925
>>96005931
So can you put Psykers together today still to make an Empyrean?

>>96005904
>Then give a source
No. You will stew in your annoyance forever.

>>96005998
Not necessarily but bad painters do often use speedpaints

>>96005391
Agreed. I love building/painting but 2k is just too much for me to stay engaged for the duration.

>>96004815 (OP)
>TQ
squats in my votann

>>96006015
>spouts shit
>refuses to provide source
I'm honestly going to forget you even exist before the day is over.

>>96006026
don't worry, they won't, they'll keep being dinozords with chaos trims and shit with spider legs.

>>96006014
probably not, they did it because the warp was becoming too turbulent to reincarnate, in 40k they'd probably get mauled by daemons instantly.

>>96005998
Contrast are a tool and using them effectively is a particular skill.

If you rely completely on them even when you are not supposed to, then yes, it makes you a bad painter.

But if you use them in an arsenal of skills and techniques you can use depending on the situation, then they actually make you a better painter.

>>96004815 (OP)
Is he wearing guyliner?

>>96004949
So instead newcomers have to buy units they don't like to be viable against meta

Incredible

Do any third party chaos marine torsos with space for multiple sets of arms exist? I’m not talking about spindly mutant limbs I was thinking of fully armoured limbs built into the suit to accompany a multi limbed marine

>>96006055
This might sound like heresy, but you don't actually have to be viable against the meta. At least not The wider meta considering everyone has a local meta that is far more impactful

>>96006055
I too wish for an edition where every codex is written by ward.

>>96006065
I personally wish for an edition where every codex was written by Andy Chambers

>>96006014
Golden throne eats psykers to keep him alive. but usually if you offer a lot of souls "today" (in 40k universe) you open a rift into the warp.

Other marines are all "I have spent centuries honing my skills" and Iron Hands be like "I know kung fu."

>>96006062
>>96006065
Who the fuck even plays a faction whose basic troops they dislike the look of?

You play tyranids but don't like gaunts?
You play SM and don't like marines or scouts?
You play necrons and don't like fucking warriors?
You play T'aus and not like fire warriors nor kroots? (I have no clue what t'au troops are)
You play CSM and don't like chaos marines?
You play eldar and don't like guardians or dire avengers?
You play Sisters of battle and don't like SoBs?

Seriously, who the fuck are we even talking about here?
Which one of you fuck is such a cunt that he can't even look at the basic guys of his own faction?
You play

>>96006011
>Serpentine Scourge
Extremely based, I'm glad to see someone doing their research.
Looking forward to see them finished.

>>96006044
I don't need to provide a source for something that's been established in the canon for decades at this point you retarded neanderthal cosplayer.

>>96006096
I love my neophytes so much but painting them is such a hassle.

>>96006051
>when you are not supposed to
When is that supposed to be?

>>96006096
I play IG and I like tanks and artillery.
I play Tau and I like giant mechas
I play eldar and I like mellee aspect warriors.
I play Dark Angels and I like cowled marines (only their veterans have cowls)
Not every faction's poster boys are the basic troops choice.

>>96006096
There's an awful lot of people who definitely prefer fielding an army's elite and flashy stuff over its basic troops, yes, we even have extremely successful armies whose main appeal is that their player doesn't have to bother with having an actual army.
It's an unfortunate fact of this wargame that a great number of its fans don't actually want to field something that looks like an army.
And when facing this truth, you either filter them out, hindering growth, or you try to make alternative army builds as possible as conventional army builds, which of course it's way harder to juggle.
It's not surprising gw went with the latter, considering you don't really get to feel the problems of balance until you've already been tricked into splurging money on models.

>>96006111
Feel ya.

>>96006096
I don't like intercessors

>>96006073
andy is better for the basic ruleset than for the codex themselves

>>96005924
>want to start a CSM army based around 3 units of Chaincannon Havocs
>Find out that intercessors puke 40 dice firing and 30 dice charging for 160pts + bonuses(Like +1str inside 12")
>tell myself "Oh well I can have 3 units of noise marines with it!"
>noise marines get raised in cost to exceed 500pts for 3 units
>"Oh well, may as well do loyalist instead now"

That's where I'm at. The Firestorm 30 Infernus marines are better, even.

>>96006135
They should've been filtered out. Dumbing shit down is what the eventual downfall for most hobbies.

>>96006135
I know two different guard guys that don't like Fielding infantry besides Scions and ogren which is bizarre to me.

>>96005078
I find them all grating.
Honestly would love something to watch but even the least bad options are still total fart sniffers like vince, pete the wargamer, and leutin. Even those are not tolerable for me.

>>96006120
It's something you can only figure out with experience, really.

Painting miniatures is not art, but craft.
And like any craft the more you know the more solutions you can find to the problem (unpainted minis), so you can choose the best one.

You look at the project you want to do and value what techniques will grant you the best result in your budget of time and effort.

I personally like hybrid techniques.
When I do stuff like commission painting I do the main colours in contrast, but then do the details with base painting.
That way I don't have to be too careful with the contrast paint.

For example, if I'm doing a barbarian type mini, I'll paint the skin with contrast but I don't have to be careful around belts and other details, because I will do them in base anyway.

If I were to paint all in contrast, they overlap so I can't be as fast and careless.
So actually using only contrast would slow me down in this case.

How do I know that? Experience and personal taste.

>>96005183
>Tfw australian
>Have to listen to fucking retards referring to "oh-gryn" as "o-gryn" every time i go to an lgs.

>>96006230
don't lie, i know you say aur-green

People keep telling me that incestssesors are cheap but I still see them costing like $60 on eBay.

>>96005384
>emporer

>>96006096
>Who the fuck even plays a faction whose basic troops they dislike the look of?
>You play tyranids but don't like gaunts?
There are also Genestealers and Warriors, even if they're bit more elite and closer to Kabalites and leet Marines respectively.

>>96006241
Genestealers and warriors aren't basic troops.

>>96005483
I really wish the primaris vs firstborn thing wasn't made such a conflict in universe, its not interesting at all.

>>96006245
They're troops anon, genestealers have been troops since forever and only recently sometimes been shuffled into Fast Attack or whatever.

>>96005483
>bro why can't GW just kill off these characters they make money off of?
Anyone who thought that GW would actually kill off their named characters with the primaris procedure are genuinely fucking retarded. Like actual sub 60 IQ mongoloids.

>>96005483
imagine if your favorite model got merc'd in lore because of elective plastic surgery

>>96006260
>only recently sometimes been shuffled into Fast Attack
So not troops.
Also doesn't matter if they used to be.
Gants are tyranid troops, genestealers are specialist infiltrator organisms not troops.
>but muh rules
Irrelevant.

>>96006154
Tempestus Scions and Tactical Marines being the exact same points per model is still fucking wild to me.
And people say Space Marines are an elite army.

Tell me some fluff about your guys, preferably at least 2 paragraphs.

>>96006281
Unironically the fault of d6.

>>96005078
I'm an artist working for Archwarhammer for 7 years. AMA

>>96006295
What's your least favorite faction to make art for?

>>96006295
How much gay stuff have you made

>>96006271
>So not troops.
Okay I shall elaborate and correct myself.
They were troops in 8th and earlier.
They were elites in 9th.
Now these categories don't exist anymore, but they're still Infantry
>but muh rules
>Irrelevant
If you're appealing to fluff then nids can do absolutely what the fuck they want with army composition and gants aren't strictly necessary. You can make a claim how its cringe to not run regular Fire Warriors in Tau armies and I can see the point, but we have legit fluff examples like Nephilim King where nids used other compositions

>>96006307
>uhm ackchually
I don't give a shit.
Use gants, or don't play at all.

>>96006299
Space Marines in general, but specifically any chapter fielding Terminators. Terminators are fucking trash design.
>>96006305
Define gay. I had drawn Gungans if that's what you're talking about?

>>96006326
>Use gants, or don't play at all.
Nuh-uh, I prefer to play according to the fluff rather than reddit memes.

>>96006219
That's very insightful anon.

>>96006134
>only DA vets have cowls
No
t. DA player
>>96006135
Can't scions be troops in their own army or did they change that again?
>>96006143
Neither do I, there's a million ways to make marines
>>96006241
OP here
More reasons for me to give the look at nid players who hate fielding troops

>>96004815 (OP)
>TQ
I've been thinking about getting the Solar Auxilia Leman Russ and using it as a Skorpius Disintegrator model since the actual one looks stupid as fuck (and also the Leman Russ tanks look cool)
>supposedly an "advanced" design from the dark age of technology
>looks like a failed cold war prototype tank

>>96006245
>>96006271
>>96006326
If you're gonna be a cunt use NTA you fat fucking bitch

>>96006359
No, fuck you.

>>96006350
>More reasons for me to give the look at nid players who hate fielding troops
Monster Mash is canonically accurate and you can't help that
So is "Oops All Flyers!"

>>96006350
Are you telling me DA can have cowled and robed marines like pic rel as battleline, like the Templars having tabard marines and Space Wolves having pelted marines as battleline?
Or do you have to buy conversion sets or greenstuff so your DA battleline look like the robed and cowled DA marine?

>>96006285
Pls no.

My dudes are from a world that was once ruled by a knight house, the knight house has died out along with all their suits but their warrior traditions are now carried on by the rest of the nobility.
Most of them are formed into mechanized or armoured regiments and structured along feudal lines with individual squads being led by a minor noble and made up of his personal retinue.
I wrote a lot more and even made a whole OOB for these guys because autism, they're structured a bit like soviet mech divisions. But I know it was all for myself.

>>96006387
Not on good terms with the local forgeworld to get new Knights? So all the officers are nobles and the troopers are just men at arms and serfs? Or are the troopers Yeomen looking for social advancement?

>>96006372
No, fuck YOU

>>96006374
I don't actually dislike these kinds of armies if they're fun, there are scenarios (as in battle scenarios) that allow/use those kids of list, but I don't think it should be regular
>>96006381
If GW weren't cunts it'd be easy, like it was easy back then.
>mfw when picrel isn't up for download or even sale
There are unforgiven chapters who are robe heavy, basic tac squads included.

I don't restrict robes to my vets

help me with my UM list /40kg/?
calgar w/ bladeguard ancient and 6 BGVs infiltrate for a first turn move+adv+charge blender, uriel deep striking with 3 BGVs. generally trying to apply force where necessary while making it hard for them to use strats (uriel, shadow war vet, callidus trio feels nasty). i see lots of lists taking 2x infiltrator and 2x scouts so i cargo culted that

3x Marneus Calgar (200pts)
Uriel Ventris (95pts): Bolt Pistol, Invictus, Sword of Idaeus
Bladeguard Ancient (70pts): The Blade Driven Deep, Close Combat Weapon, Heavy Bolt Pistol
Captain in Phobos Armour (85pts): Ghostweave Cloak, Bolt Pistol, Combat Knife, Instigator Bolt Carbine
Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (100pts): Shadow War Veteran, Combi-weapon, Paired Combat Blades

6x Bladeguard Veteran Squad (160pts)
3x Bladeguard Veteran Squad (80pts)
3x Inceptor Squad (120pts)
3x Inceptor Squad (120pts)
5x Infiltrator Squad (100pts)
5x Infiltrator Squad (100pts)
5x Scout Squad (70pts)
5x Scout Squad (70pts)
Brutalis Dreadnought (160pts): Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Brutalis Talons, Twin Multi-melta
Vindicator (185pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter
Vindicator (185pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter

Callidus Assassin (100pts): Neural shredder, Phase sword and poison blades

>>96006458
Which of these do you have already?

>>96005078
I don't. I watch one or two painting instructionals, but I already get all the warhammer navel-gazing I could ever want from this website and the codexes we pirate <3

>>96006463
most (pile of shame...), or I can borrow/proxy in casual games for now

>>96006394
Their original rulers fought themselves into extinction and there are no more suits to be had.
They use scion rules and even basic troopers are pretty much the equivalent of a feudal knight. War isn't the responsibility of peasants unless the planet is directly invaded.
Its also not meant to be a technologically backward world, they've got essentially a factory moon.

>>96006472
What inspired your list?

>>96006285
My Genestealer Cult is an overtaken Inquisitorial fleet from the ordo hereticus. After investigating a strange cult on an agraworld the cult was able to infest Interrogator Uris Verom and spread over his entire ship and from there to the rest of the fleet. Inquisitor Gosen Inspirian was a strong psyker that somehow still echoes in the patriarchs mind after their fierce final battle. Because of that the entire cult still acts as part of ordo hereticus and hunts chaos marines and cultists. Hence they simply call themselfs Cult Hereticus.

>>96006498
mainly the big infiltrating blender and asymmetrical CP game (gen my own + make your strats costlier), I built it out from there.

right now my marine list-building core is phobos cap, 2x infiltrators, and 2x vindicator. Lt with combi-weapon and 2x scouts for fixed secondaries synergize well with that. putting ghostweave on phobos cap makes it super Lt with Combi, putting shadow war vet on Lt with Combi makes it super Callidus, and ventris adds more redundancy for that aura ability while Calgar gens CP for the other half of the equation. BGVs for those leaders, inceptors for deep striking guns, and brutalis for heavy melee rounds it out.

>>96006387
Win

>>96006505
Are there any other inquisitors who suspect they’re spreading the taint to world’s the intervene on? Has the fleet’s population started to degenerate into hybrids and the like? Is there a main traitor warband they’re focused on at the moment? And what hive fleet does their genestealer patriarch come from?

>>96006533
I couldn't play 40k like that, jesus christ

>>96006505
cringe, mine are just uprising to get eaten eventually

>>96006553
>chocolate mint?
>Pff, vanilla is better
Yes, a food analogy, that is all you deserver

>>96005078
You mean like, watch them getting beaten?

>>96006542
lol, explain
I like redundancy, is that what you mean? or because I took a game-focused approach instead of a fluffy approach?

>>96006419
My DA point still stands. We have to jump through hoops to have robed DA basic troops.
Whereas BT and SW have their aesthetically valid marines as battleline.
At least now you can have robed DA or a deathwing army without the troops tax. This is even more eggregious for DA since the greenwing, deathwing and ravenwing are so aesthetically different, someone who likes a wing may not necessarily like another wing.

>>96006579
Frankly I don't want to explain
Yeah, what you said

I can't imagine spending all this time building a list army when you already have a pile of shame. By the time you're done painting all that a new edition will have rolled out or a rule patch or whatever and your list might not work anymore

You do you man, you seem to have fun, keep that going for ya

>>96006539
They are always hunting and fighting a nurgle cult and marines (army of my buddy, he does not really have much background story). There is no other inquisitor on their heels yet but they lost a planet to another inquisitor that cleaned it but he has not connected any dotts yet. The entore fleet is either hibrids or under mind controle (most are hybrids). To tell the truth i never really went with what hive fleet they where from but i thought about Ouroboris just because the paint cheme being close.

$230 with tax included for Cerastus Lancer, insane pricing yo.

>>96006619
The idea of a hive fleet or even a splinter fleet trailing along, and undoing their victories against Nurgle by devouring the now clean biomass is pretty neat. Anyway thanks for sharing.

>>96005375
What would veteran intercessors job even be that isn't already covered by sternguard?

>>96005540
>The sovlful way to fix the firstborn/primaris divide would be to adopt the black templar apprentice system.
The only way to redeem this is to stop making them separate types of marines and just reintroduce the terran/primarch homeworld divide from the heresy.

>>96006582
I think you're missing the whole point actually. The issue is someone who builds an army in a faction/subfaction without liking the basic troops.
Marines are THE faction with easy to pimp troops. Yes, GW is ass and now robed DAs are just not sold anymore (I'm not buying the same 3x inner circle jerkers to make even 2 barebone tac squads), BUT if you like that look for your basic troop then you can field troops you visually like.
In the end the crux of it all is people playing an army game thinking an army doesn't have troops.

Doesn't matter really, official rules or not I don't have to accept to play against those kinds of players and I can afford to chose who I spend my time with.

>>96006648
ntab
Cheaper maybe? They'd be like intercessors with an extra point or two in their stats without the full cost of sternguards and their options?

>>96005495
This is why you don't have any friends.

>>96006662
What options? They sternguard do the exact same things as intercessors but better. If you want cheaper you have intercessors already. There's not enough room for any in-between in such a narrow concept.

>>96006153
>They should've been filtered out. Dumbing shit down is what the eventual downfall for most hobbies.
Do you also feel it should be impossible to field a chaos army without cultists making up a sizeable portion of your list, or that it should be impossible to field an army of only grey knights?

>>96006674
Veteran intercessors have bolters
Sternguards have combiweapons and a HB/PC
What melee options do Vet Interc. Sgts have?

>>96006697
Combiweapons might aswell not exist anymore but in any case, sternguard still do everything intercessors can do but better so there's still no point in a veteran intercessor unit.

did WH+ ever release PDF for doom of mymeara like it did for badab? I wanna look at pretty pictures.

>>96006718
God I need Imperial Armour to come back. It's peak 40k.

>>96006715
If you look at things this way there's no reason for 99% of things to exist.

>>96006718
No, that book got retconned.

>>96006601
>I can't imagine spending all this time building a list army when you already have a pile of shame
totally fair. i just enjoy the theory crafting and I can't hobby right now because of a hand injury.

What's he up to nowadays?

>>96006796
Abaddon gave him a Blackstone Fortress and he just kinda fucked off.

>>96006735
When there's already a unit that covers that exact niche? Of course not. For all intents and purposes sternguard are veteran intercessors.

>>96006770
>hobby-shaming people
It doesn't help. Pile of shame I say just go work on some flashing. Barrel drilling. Chunk removal.

It's a bit of zen after a while. Do the whole batch and have a tackle box of the bits separated from the sprues. Keep the sprues for terrain later. Mini hobby bags if you must if there's no tacklebox type container available.

Once that step is done with -all- you plan on building then maybe you'll play with them like they're legos.

>>96006796
Ran a chaos lord competition where the winner chaos lord gets all the losers warbands ships and troops and shot loads of Hurons own ships and troops. Honsou won it and get a huge army to invade Ultramar lots of buildup, and then the next book hard cuts to him and his army being utterly defeated as Ultramar PDF hunt down the last of his forces. Got I fucking hated reading Storm of Iron, so bad. Huron has a traitor Salamander in his crew as well. 99% sure all of that that got retconed though

>>96006735
Trim the fat then
Marines codex could be half the size

>>96006848
I mean it was half the size until primaris added tons of unnecessary bloat and then 10th split even more datasheets because having no points is retarded.

>>96006558
The vanilla lore is good enough as it is and it got me into the faction in the first place. Everything else is kitschy.

>>96006718
alright so they DID add all of IA. /r/equesting DOOOOOOOOOM of mymeara pdf (pretty please)

>>96006796
>remember a rumor of a plastic Huron and Armenneus coming out that was posted ages ago
Time flies.

Eldar are so cool, I like how warithbone in fan art can be really clean or very Beksinski like

>>96006895
>Eldar are so cool,
They really aren't.

Speaking of wraith one, what are Dark Eldar armors made out of if they can't sing exotic materials into existence but still have the same saves and maneuverability?

>>96006921
They really are.

>>96006930
>Gay pride parade
>Clearly compensating for something
>Spirit Halloween decoration

>>96006921
Wrong

>>96006930
pic unrelated?

>>96006925
Still Warithbone. They can't grow it but they can shape it. Where do they get it from? Craftworlders and probably enslaved craftworlders?? I could be wrong, Incubi armour is just power armour though not wrraithbone as far as I know

>>96006937
The rainbow warriors aren't Eldar. Nor the comically large desolator or the flame skull legion of the damned.

>>96005390
I forced my gf to look at space marines and pick which she liked best. Because I’m a cruel bastard. Anyway out of all the main space marine chapters in stock, dark angels were her absolute favorite, followed by space wolves. She specifically said she likes the “concept” of space wolves as well. So yeah, dark angels and space wolves get bitches, unfortunately.

Reminder that craftworlders are basically space chud puritans whilst commorites are the real eldar

>>96006944
Incubi is special Aspect armor. The Kabals and Scourges armor is Ghostplate

>>96005540
Black Templar apprentice system is really cozy and neat I feel, really hammers home the knightly order feel

>>96006965
Someone put it best recently that Commorites are the true Eldar like Californians are the true Americans. Which is to say you are correct.

>>96006843
Huron is likely a major thorn in the side of GW’s plans for CSM as a faction. He’s been around for too long since the Badab War started during the RT era. He’s a far more digestible version of everything they want to do with the Black Legion as well.

>>96006715
There is a reason, and it’s so I can have sticky objectives and OC2 in my veterans list.

Dark Angels are elite, Black Templars are just orks

>>96006813
>batch clip and bag
that's what i did, but then the idea of removing flash for so many bits got overwhelming desu. shouldve just gone squad by squad. same thing is gonna happen when it comes time to paint, i just know it

>>96006930
I'm a total lorelet, so my opinion is automatically retarded. But I think Eldar could be really cool if they just got a little more attention and maybe a slight aesthetic overhaul. Their underlying concept as a race is genuinely interesting, but for immortal space elves, they somehow don't carry the strength or gravitas that you'd expect from them.

>>96006718
>>96006876
I want you to post the pretty pictures you take in exchange though
https://gofile.io/d/vRrW6l

>>96007004
GW has attempted to focus on Eldar in the past. It never works.

>>96007004
Corsairs and the new Ynnari armor (Visarch?) capture that aesthetic a bit better than the Craftworlds leotards s with plastic plates look does, I think.

>>96007012
thanks! I kinda expected higher res, but it's still better than expected

>>96007012
You ever so those clips of people play “using” their cats as machine guns? I get the vibe whenever I see images of gaunts with guns like that pic.

>>96007031
Name three times you think GW has ever "focused on Eldar" in the past. And don't say Ynnari because that was just an excuse for Gulliman's return.

>>96007004
GW keep giving their novels to dogshit writers who hate them and shit on them

>>96007035
wait a minute... the wraithlords I posted appear to be missing which means they must belong to "da rules" category... as d oblueprints... and corsair... and fucking wolves. holy shit so much is removed because of "no muh rules" that it's actually sad. Imma post a few more anyway I guess.

>>96007045
Doom of Mymaera (All Eldar units involved now out of production)
Path of the Eldar books (Failures)
The Ynnari (Fuck you, they count)

I want to run Spinefist Gaunts
Is upgrading 6 guns in the 20 gaunt unit too many to make them ill effective in melee range if I want to tie an objective up? Since the Pistol rule is great, and the special weapons aren't so great.
2 Str 3 Twin linked Pistol (I plan on using Hyper Adaptations with Invasion fleet)

Is it meta or weak?

>>96007061
>Forge world shit
>BL slop written by author who hates eldar
>Attempted squattening of the eldar factions into one that got abandoned

>>96007071
(you) lost

If I had to control eldar I would start shoving their aspects into the basic units as specialists. Since they need to recruit people, they would be like Crusader Templar units. I would make everything "Assault" and add "Heavy" to the various units that have range.

Imagine swooping hawk initiates added to actual swooping hawks.

>>96007061
Doon of Mymeara wasn't GW, that was Forgeworld and was quite well received at the time anyway. Forgeworld being defunct now and all the models getting retired to doesn't change what they were.

Path of the Eldar was a travesty though and Gav Thorpe deserves the Leagues of Votann he's writing fir now.

>>96007035
>>96007058
I'm pretty sure wh+ on the actual site uploads the material at the quality sent to the printing machine, but it's way too uncomfortable to use and share, so people rework the files into manageable sizes before sharing
I don't know if mymeara got a second edition, because some books lost pictures between their first and second edition

>>96007102
>I don't know if mymeara got a second edition, because some books lost pictures between their first and second edition
it does have a 2nd ed (2011/2015 for 5th/7th). Imma try looking for missing pics real quick. also lole at pic rel.

>>96007089
1st ed has best quality for what I was looking for

>>96007116
He'd probably do a better job than most.

>>96007102
>>96007114
in the fluff part I only noticed the 1st having a pic of praetor armored assault launcher. once eldar engines of destruction start it becomes a bit messy, but ultimately I only noticed 2nd having the teleporting knight unlike the 1st.

typhus mini is so retardedly overdetailed the shaft of the weapon broke and i didn't notice until days later lmao

>>96006994
Why would you assume they'd give them those rules when intercessors already do that? Just paint their helmets white my dude.

>>96007064
Poking again.
What style of Termagaunt works best in a gaunt heavy list?

What's the coolest diorama you've ever seen?

Why the fuck HH marines get such great models, while 40k marines (both loyal and traitor) get cartooney shit?

>>96007352
(you)

>>96006876
>>96007089
>>96007187
Explain to me why, instead of this format becoming the norm, it was completely abandoned, the series cancelled and replaced by... whatever passes for a campaign book these days?

>>96007358
nta but I do think the 30k marine (and especially AdMech) completely mogs the 40k releases. Not just in terms of mdodels but also in what units they added to expand the roster and how they work together.

>>96007352
my conspiracy theory is because 40k is selling well anyway, so they use their pro designers for their other systems to make people "dip into another system"

>>96007352
>>96007370
dogshit tastes

>>96007370
>and especially AdMech
lol
lmao

>>96007381
I do not like retarded landboats and roflcopters instead of rad automatas and I do not like grav tanks and primaris longerer weapons. Simple as.

>>96007381
>>96007386
>t. primaris gene-engineered super heroe players

>>96007359
Forgeworld died with Alan Bligh.

>>96007386
It is tautologically impossible to prefer 40k AdMech over 30k AdMech.

>>96007390
I like how retards like you always focus on the 3 divisive vehicles while ignoring the fact that all AdMech infantry shits on Mechanicum infantry so fucking hard it's not even funny. Take your overdone bait to /hhg/ or /v/

>>96007403
>posts a single HQ model instead of the slop tech thralls and vehicles
(you) tried

>>96007403
This guy looks pretty cool, might pick him up and use him as a Manipulus. The Archmagos Prime is also a nice looking mini for a Dominus

>>96007371
I wonder what the interns are going to redesign the Drukhari heckin free spirits of sexually liberated gender fluid self-expression and living their best life as looking like.

>>96007406
Oh no. I hate more units, that's just the worst offenders. Electropriests, the cowboys, the birdmen, the chicken striders and castellans all fucking suck. I just want them to pick skitarii, onagers, the servitors and the techpriests and put them in the 30k roster.

>>96007352
The galaxy was well grounded, badass, and had cool models... UNTIL CHAOS SHOWED UP.

>>96007410
Every 30k vehicle is better than the 40k vehicles though? Techthralls are cool, but I don't ask for them to replace skitarii. I want both.

>>96007406
Seriously, who dislikes the Sicarians? They're pretty awesome. And even the battleline Skitarii and the Tech priests all look great. I personally love the Kataphrons battle servitors too but those are ea tad more decisive.

>>96007427
Chaos was here long before Humanity began and will be here long after it ends.

>>96007435
>Every 30k vehicle is better than the 40k vehicles though?
no that overdesigned unreadable slop does not look better no matter how many times you try to scream it

>>96007448
It does. Even if you don't like it it will still be better than the retarded fucking open topped landboat or a stupid chopper with wings and fucking feet.

>>96007454
nope, feel free to keep crying about it though

>>96007456
I hope your army gets primarized.

>>96007447
Say that to me not online.

>>96007381
I really want to like new models, I really do, but holy fuck, nuMarines look like caricature of themselves. Either overdesigned or the design is dogshit (pic related).

>>96007461
(you)

>>96007406
>all AdMech infantry shits on Mechanicum infantry so fucking hard it's not even funny
you will apologize NOW.

>>96007459
>I hope your army gets a total redesign with brand new sculpts that reimagine every unit in your army
Thanks mate. Same to you.

>>96007464
>>96007358
Thank you for (you)s, I really needed them.

>>96007468
slop that belongs in warmachine or infinity and not 40k

>>96007469
>that reimagine every unit in your army
nta but how is that a good thing? i like my necrons i wouldn't like every unit to be different it'd be different army entirely

>>96007459
Not the anon you replied to but did the Tempestous Scions count as guard primaris?

>>96007475
>infinity
oh so you're just saying words, my mistake

>>96007461
Primaris marines are fine.
I just prefer Mk3 power armor.
And the nuMK3 because LoGH made me like Germany, more specifically Prussia and now I like pickelhaubes.

>>96007478
You wouldn't like a Pariah equivalent of every Necron unit scaled to human size with Necron weapons and all new Pariah Overlords and characters to use alongside your existing Necrontyr warriors and such?

>>96007468
These are pretty cool, I'll give you that one. Everything else aside from maybe the archmagos prime model is shit though

>>96007479
Not really but it fucked any chance of getting plastic stormtrooper sculpts so fuck them.

>>96007489
>to use alongside your existing Necrontyr warriors and such?
Then they wouldn't be like primaris now would they?

>>96007494
>plastic stormtrooper sculpts
What exactly do you think tempestus scions are?

>>96007352
These look boring and honestly terrible.
The oversized shoulder pads and axe look awful.

>>96007501
How long did it take after primaris came out before any kit of the firstborn got retired? At least one full edition right?

>>96007504
A completely different design for the exact same unit which means we'll never get a sculpt for the old, way cooler design.

>>96007461
These look fine, the only problem they have is the poses.
The guy on the far left is the one with the only good pose, just snip the rock off the foot and glue him onto the base.

>>96007512
as if the plan wasn't total replacement from the beggining. I'd like some pariah units sure but not a total reimagination of the entire army, the update we got was perfect

you only thought you could escape the furries

>>96007461
Reminder that these two boxes cost the same and have the exact same weapon options.

>>96007537
these look horrible though

>>96007531
Kino… so fucking kino…

>>96007461
>>96007537
People will pretend like these models look exactly the same. They're definitely "close enough" for proxy but you can tell one is clearly more detailed.

>>96007537
And I still wouldn't buy those. I'd just buy regular assault ints instead.

>>96007531
They just have to shoehorn fucking Wulfen in there.

>>96007531
>Furry Ass scar
They're not even being subtle anymore...

>>96007531
that's fine. wulfen aren't that bad, they're just a little pug-faced.

I want to see primaris armor get different patterns like firstborn did.
Maybe the posterboy primaris armor can be the Sanctus Pattern and then a new pattern of Primaris Power Armor can be made called the "Nihilus Pattern."

Or has GW kind of already done this with Space Wolves having to reuse firstborn power armor bits with their primaris power armor due to being on the border near the "Nihilus line?"

>>96007583
>I want to see primaris armor get different patterns
Phobos, Gravis, Tacticus

>>96007588
you forgot omnis

>>96007588
Sorry I should have worded what I wanted better.
I probably should have said different Primaris Power Armor Marks. Like how Firstborn have different power armor marks.

>>96007531
>Space Marines
>Space Marines, but furries
>Space Marines, but vampires
>Space Marines, but knights
>Space Marines, but crusaders
>Space Marines, but melanin
>Space Marines, but robots
>Space Marines, but emo
>Space Marines, but yellow

>>96007604
Mark XI will be the next Primaris wave where they slowly start updating every unit again.

>>96006718
>I wanna look at pretty pictures.
Those edited diorama photos are beautiful. They just have a charm that not even "sovlfvl" art can capture.

>>96007611
>forgot about Space Marines, but Mongolian

>>96007604
They know what you mean but did not care.

>>96007611
Still cooler than than xenos or space marines but spiky.

>>96007531
good box desu

>>96007623
Not as cool as Space Marines but taller though

>>96007611
Unfathomably kino in all regards

>>96007616
>Mark XI
Sorry I'm ESL. If I am just confusing you guys then my apologies.
Maybe Primaris armor styles that affect phobos, gravis, and tacticus due to supply constraints.

I wouldn't be surprised if GW narratives come out saying the Space Wolves mix their firstborn gear with Primaris due to supply constraints hence why their armor looks like that.
Could be dubbed "Nihilus jury rigging" if I was in charge.

finally found the bit so I could ask a questioning question about it: is there a single instance of these blisters being open or damaged in art or model form? lots of them on wraith constructs. and I guess that BL descriptions are welcome as well.

>>96007626
Space marines but taller are part of this >>96007611
Space marine always win.

>>96007622
>They know what you mean but did not care.
Oh. My bad.

What are your thoughts of someone using the Solar Auxilia model range in 40k, playing them as Astra Militarum?

>>96007635
Except to Chaos. Slave Marines always lose to chaos in the end.

>>96007583
>>96007604
>>96007631
>>96007637
Reddit

>>96007623
marinefags really are the worst people in this general

>>96007281
The OG Seige of Terra diorama. I think its my favorite because so much of it was scratch built, including the little minis of Sanguinius fighting Angron.

>>96007641
You'll be a little handicapped if you find that heavy weapons squads are not a thing, but it is doable.

Just have a paper printed with the images of the guardsmen and what they're proxying as for you and your opponent to better keep track of the units.

Maybe let your opponent field a legends or their own homebrew unit so you can do the same too.
>t. saw some lads at the LGS doing this when I was shopping for paint.

>>96007599
I think there's a good chance that Omnis might get entirely retconned and folded into the inceptor datasheet

>>96007648
nomodels hands typed this post

>>96007616
They need to get back to Mark VII. Right now they are ruining whole 40k feel as stagnant dark universe.

>>96007660
unless you post yours with that accusation it's nothing more than a shitpost, cope

>>96007667
>seething and deflection
classic, away with you /v/ermin

>>96007644
>trying to be polite and have discussion is now plebbit
Is this really where we’re at now?

>>96007668
>it's the 3 unpainted drop pods faggot thread police again
can't make this shit up

I fucking HATE bolt rifles.

>>96007671
>it's poopdickschizo again!!!
tiresome /v/ermin

>>96007531
what a shit fucking box

>>96007672
I HATE BOLT RIFLES AND I ALSO HATE THE KNEE FLAPS

>>96007664
I'm sure there's lots of that over in the Dark Imperium Nihilus where neither Primaris nor any of GW's narratives have ever reached.

>>96007668
>>96007671
go make a thread to argue
go away

>>96007670
No, he's reddit cause he sounds like a fag.
Important difference.

>>96007682
>>96007671
>>96007668
also not samefagging

How does a hive ship transfer the soldiers down to a planet? Do they land or stay in the orbit? I should read the codex

>>96007672
What part, the assault, heavy on a +3 BS, or the -1 ap. Whole thing reeks of Primaris better then firstborn no matter what BS.

>>96007670
Yes. It always has been this way it seems.

>>96007670
Just in this dogshit general, leave while you still can and I'm not shitposting here

>>96007641
What's the issue? They're just an Army regiment and Army was divided into Guard and Navy. They're no different than any other regiment. Just because SA got special rules in 30k doesn't change that. You'll have to do some converting for various special weapons (or find recasts of the old kits that came with certain weapons), but that's about it.
>>96007653
>heavy weapons squads are not a thing
SA got the best HWT alternatives, you just need to do a little tweaking on the weapons.
>Just have a paper printed with the images of the guardsmen and what they're proxying as for you and your opponent to better keep track of the units.
Is this a joke?

>>96007689
Everything, from the design of the model to the rules. Everything is made to replace and make boltguns look bad when they should be an untouchable core feature.

>>96007699
>SA got the best HWT alternatives
Never saw those light sentinels as HWT. Now I see it.
>Is this a joke?
No. Even in casual games people will pretend to be retarded to proxiers for advantage or to frustrate the player to quit so they can claim victory through opponent forfeit. That's why the printed papers are important.
I wish I was joking.

>>96007689
I'm making a primaris army and pretending thats how it's always been.
>also been a 3rd/4th edition teenager back in the day, then quit

>>96007724
You're part of the problem.

>>96007744
I don't have any marine models prior to this so you're no my problem.

>>96007722
>"What do you mean this armoured human soldier with a laser rifle is a guardsman with a lasgun?!"
>"What do you mean this armoured human soldier with a flamer is a guardsman with a flamer?!"
There is no piece of paper that's going to fix retardation, unless it's an execution order.

>>96007713
The part I dislike about them the most is slapping all the tacticool picatinny rails on them, is a universe where picitinny has never been shown to exist in any way, shape or form.

>>96007765
Just file them anon

>>96007751
Why would anyone call a primaris enjoyer a fake grog

>>96007441
try building and playing with them
i only have 5 and they were such a pain in the ass and constantly fucking break
i honest to god do not know how waacfaggots can stand running 30 of them...

I just cut a string off my guitar because I needed a tube for a conversion

>>96007672
aren't bolters and bolt rifles the same thing?

>>96007798
no
bolt rifle uses different ammo like a heavy bolter
and then there's heavy bolt rifles that uses heavy bolter ammo

Boltgun > Bolter > Twin Bolter > Storm Bolter > Bolt Rifle > Heavy Bolt Rifle > Heavy Bolter (and then the super heavy bolters after this)

>>96007798
no, the traditional bolter has been reclasiffied as a "bolt carabine"

>>96007777
Been playing with them for years already. Never really had much trouble myself that I recall, though it has admittedly been years since I've built any of them.

>>96007765
>but they've never shown it to exist
GW can change it if they want. Also it looks fine.

>>96007641
Cool with me. Almost any type of proxy for Astra Militarum should be acceptable as long as all the important stuff is there like base sizes and weapons matching the datasheets.

>>96007806
>bolt rifle uses different ammo
It does not, it's still the same .75 caliber bolts. Only thing changed is the length of the barrel.

>>96007817
the ones i have are the red plastic from killteam (come to think of it the manipulus from that same box ALSO always breaks)
fucking GW

>>96007844
where does it say that

>>96007797
You don't save the old ones for just such a case?

>>96007761
You've got me questioning whether I'm playing casual games with actual retards or they're pretending to be retarded or both now.
I want my 10 minutes making those papers back now.

>>96007848
Where does it say that it fires different sized bolts?

>>96007895
you assume bolters and heavy bolters fire the same rounds?
what about heavy bolt rifles the heavy intercessors use?

>>96007901
>you assume bolters and heavy bolters fire the same rounds?
I never said that.

>>96007844
.38 Special and .357 Magnum use the same bullet, but they're not the same cartridge by any means. There's also a .75 caliber Heavy Bolter, the Sol pattern.

>>96007915
read up on the xeno hunter bolter rounds,

im assuming you "read it somewhere" and didn't remember where, but my tidbit is that they use a lot of rounds for bolters, and since they're resizing them....

Boltguns don't even use the same calibers. Tigrus patterns are .60 cal while Godwyns are .75

>>96007811
Fucking wish, but no.

Which chapter hates eldar the most?

>>96007946
All the more reason why bolt rifles fucking suck. There's no nerd for them to exist, let alone have completely separate rules to any other boltgun pattern.

>>96007958
Salamanders. According to memes.

>>96007958
They all hate Eldar pretty bad.
Salamanders or Marauders.

>>96007806
>>96007901
>you assume bolters and heavy bolters fire the same rounds?
Known to be different calibers since 5e.
>what about heavy bolt rifles the heavy intercessors use?
Same .75 bolts as Godwyn pattern bolters, there's nothing in any codex indicating they changed from that unless you can post the source something new.

>>96007958
The one I made up.

>>96007823
>The type of fag that will say the exact same thing when they add fem marines

>>96007951
new space wolf gray hunters wield classic style bolters and they're called bolt carbines.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hx9biq5l/these-epic-new-space-wolves-will-write-sagas-worthy-of-the-allfather/

>>96007972
I was asking originally where this is posted in fluff. forgeworld stuff?

>>96007988
If they are called bolt carbines then they are still separate from the boltguns every other army (and tacticals) uses. They have a different statline too.

40K sisters? Our response???

>>96007985
Yes. I don't care if they add them, no skin off my nose.

>>96007988
>>96008002
Oh and even the new scouts use classic boltguns that are called boltguns and use boltgun stats.

>>96008004
I'm not a medium, so I can't really respond to a corpse.

>>96008002
>If they are called bolt carbines then they are still separate
They are just boltguns.
I know you're too autistic for you own good, but you need help.

>>96007993
Most of it is in the Codexes, Imperial Armour, and then Forgeworld had a few nice articles on individual weapons but you'd have to find archives for that now.

>>96008004
Fuck you primarisfag.

>>96008004
What's so egregiously wrong with assault intercessors with jump packs? They're basically just vanguard veterans with extra flaps.

>>96008004
We may look like less but you won't be able to paint them like that anyways?

>>96008018
If they were boltguns then GW would call them bomtguns like they do wirh every other pattern of boltgun everywhere else but they don't because god forbid primaris use an actual boltgun, no. They need their own super special version with better rules and longer models. Same goes for every special weapon. They can't use a flamer, god no, no, they need a PYREBLASTER. They can't use a meltagun it has to be a MELTA RIFLE. Fucking retards.

>>96007988
Seeing all the SW stuff right after this for DA makes me frustrated for them, even if I don't even play SM. Why can't they just make models with robes, helmet wings, and knight grills?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/msumipr2/warhammer-heroes-brings-another-elite-team-of-space-marines-to-the-battlefield/

>>96007761
I have autogun resin bits. While they don't have drums, I can see some saying they can't tell which one is the autogun sergeant despite the autogun sergeant being the only guardsman with a drum autogun magazine.

But I think such papers may be necessary in some cases. I want to use pic related as a scout sentinel with rockets, smoke launchers, and chainsaw.
Because I really like the idea of a guard army using only tracked vehicles.

>>96008024
Mainly the poses.
Just buy regular assault intercessors and then get 3rd party bits for jump packs.

>>96008024
>They're basically just vanguard veterans with extra flaps.
Except for the bling, the mix of armous and the two dozen weapon options they are missing.

>>96008038
>If they were boltguns
They are boltguns
>but GW
Irrelevant. You're just autistic over couple of letters.

>>96008043
HOLY KINO

>>96008002
>They have a different statline too.
Strength 4 AP 0 Damage 1

>>96008057
I'm not the one writing them my dude. If it were me they'd have boltguns. But they don't.

>>96008066
They have precission.

What are tyranid elite units? Lictors?

>>96008087
>precission [sic]
no
but even if it were the case, what kind of argument is that.
>the wielder shoots at the officers first, so it's a different gun type.

>>96008077
They are still boltguns.
>b-but the name
The name is irrelevant.

so a space wolf battleforce, A fulgrim battlefroce, and uh....maybe an eldari battleforce? What else are we expecting for this Christmas?