Why do all the Tolkien pastiche settings separate orcs from dark elves, when orcs basically were dark elves in middle-earth?

No, they weren't. Orcs were mindless monsters enslaved by Morgoth and later Sauron. Dark Elves are Elves who never witnessed the light of Valinor.

I honestly don't understand where people get these preconceived ideas, dumb youtubers?

>>96011091 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>96011102
every few days or so he just shows up and says some random bullshit about tolkien to farm replies
you just have to ignore it

>>96011102
Christopher did a fantastic work preserving his father's legacy and trying to make sense out of all the notes and unfinished text he left behind.
But I really dislike at this point how he put this idea that orcs are corrupted elves into the Silmarillion and therefore made it (somewhat?) canon. Tolkien could never decide what their origin was. At some point, they were corrupted humans, corrupted beasts, a mix out of beasts and humans. One story had them be made out of stone.

My dislike for the notion that they are supposed to be corrupted elves is not just about how it has very questionable implications about so much. It's also how it leads to idiot threads like OPs. Some people really seem to struggle with the concept of fantasy worlds and settings working under different rules, even if they (superficially) copy the standard Tolkien races. You have retards say "well, orcs are basically elves anyway" about settings in which both races have zero connection to each other, outside of being mortal enemies. They heard Tolkien did it this way, now every setting also does it this way, regardless of what their respective writers says (they never read anything anyway).

>>96011105
yes

>>96011091 (OP)
Dark elves are sexy, orcs aren't

>>96011091 (OP)
>>96011223
This. Ignore him.

>>96011091 (OP)
No. Legolas and his Mirkwood Elfkin were the OG fantasy Dark Elves because they didn't witness Valinor.

Orcs are simply monsters shaped to be a mockery of Elves and the incarnation of hate, spite and destructive urges.

>>96011091 (OP)
Acting in good faith, I think your OP should have been "Why do Tolkien pastiche settings separate orcs from ogres, when orcs are basically the ogres of the middle-earth setting?"

>>96011256
I agree with you anon.
There's a few things Christopher has admitted he got wrong, though I can't remember if this is one of them.

>>96011091 (OP)
Because Dark Elves are based on Moorcock's Melnibonians rather than Tolkien's creations.

'Dark elves' are named in Norse myth including the Edda as a type of elf. 'Orc' is an Old English word for some kind of goblin or monster. They were never equivalent or even similar. How the fuck did this thread get so many replies without anyone even glancing over the origins of these races?

>>96013262
Anons are too busy having a melty over schizo boogeymen and ignoring John's lore that orcs are corrupted elves

>>96011091 (OP)
Because orcs are fodder retards and dark elves are supposed to be the cultured, intelligent, sophisticated thread to the world rather than the eek ooking vermin monkey threat.

>>96011223
>>96011937
He simply samefags if you do, much like a certain redditor. The user counter was removed to facilitate this kind of conduct.

>>96013262
>How the fuck did this thread get so many replies without anyone even glancing over the origins of these races?
OP specified Tolkien pastiche. Orcs in Tolkien are (possibly) corrupted elves which now 'breed true.' They are in that sense dark elves.

>>96011091 (OP)
Same reason they separates orcs from goblins when they're the same thing in middle earth.