>>96871695
Complaining about "elf wank" is just completely missing the point about the narrative purpose of his elves. You can make elves be spiritual and intellectual paragons and have them at the same time be dumb assholes. His elves are rolemodels that the imperfect humans are supposed to fashion themselves. But his humans are the center of his cosmology (not necessarily of his stories), and arguably Turin was his biggest sue he ever wrote.
>>96871911
>and some of the most evil are elves
You can count the number of treacherous elves on half a hand and they are nowhere as evil as his men and corrupted creatures.
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>As Christopher Tolkien comments, this new origin includes the explicit idea that Morgoth could not make anything with life after his rebellion.[11] This was the text Christopher used for his edition of The Silmarillion (chapter 3), although while revising the Annals, his father wrote a note in the margin: "Alter this. Orcs are not Elvish".[12]
>>96011102
Christopher did a fantastic work preserving his father's legacy and trying to make sense out of all the notes and unfinished text he left behind.
But I really dislike at this point how he put this idea that orcs are corrupted elves into the Silmarillion and therefore made it (somewhat?) canon. Tolkien could never decide what their origin was. At some point, they were corrupted humans, corrupted beasts, a mix out of beasts and humans. One story had them be made out of stone.
My dislike for the notion that they are supposed to be corrupted elves is not just about how it has very questionable implications about so much. It's also how it leads to idiot threads like OPs. Some people really seem to struggle with the concept of fantasy worlds and settings working under different rules, even if they (superficially) copy the standard Tolkien races. You have retards say "well, orcs are basically elves anyway" about settings in which both races have zero connection to each other, outside of being mortal enemies. They heard Tolkien did it this way, now every setting also does it this way, regardless of what their respective writers says (they never read anything anyway).
Christopher did a fantastic work preserving his father's legacy and trying to make sense out of all the notes and unfinished text he left behind.
But I really dislike at this point how he put this idea that orcs are corrupted elves into the Silmarillion and therefore made it (somewhat?) canon. Tolkien could never decide what their origin was. At some point, they were corrupted humans, corrupted beasts, a mix out of beasts and humans. One story had them be made out of stone.
My dislike for the notion that they are supposed to be corrupted elves is not just about how it has very questionable implications about so much. It's also how it leads to idiot threads like OPs. Some people really seem to struggle with the concept of fantasy worlds and settings working under different rules, even if they (superficially) copy the standard Tolkien races. You have retards say "well, orcs are basically elves anyway" about settings in which both races have zero connection to each other, outside of being mortal enemies. They heard Tolkien did it this way, now every setting also does it this way, regardless of what their respective writers says (they never read anything anyway).
>>95913644
You have a weird obsession with this annoying part. This is on you, you find them annoying, it's subjective. There are ways to write this compelling and give it purpose and a narrative reason.
>that after him most elves became bootleg versions of his elves
This complaint is thrown at elves all the time, when it applies to dwarves the most. There is no other fantasy race that has so much variety as elves, often very contrarian takes to Tolkien (Moorcock, TES).
The overall point was that fantasy settings have a past, and fantasy elves often follow this trope of being this ancient race that has done things in said past, which shaped the fate of the world for better and/or worse. You may take other races (or just humans for that), but elves do this very well, so you see it often not just for copying Tolkien. It's a powerful narrative tool.
I still want to know what's supposedly so cool about gay little fairy faggots.
You have a weird obsession with this annoying part. This is on you, you find them annoying, it's subjective. There are ways to write this compelling and give it purpose and a narrative reason.
>that after him most elves became bootleg versions of his elves
This complaint is thrown at elves all the time, when it applies to dwarves the most. There is no other fantasy race that has so much variety as elves, often very contrarian takes to Tolkien (Moorcock, TES).
The overall point was that fantasy settings have a past, and fantasy elves often follow this trope of being this ancient race that has done things in said past, which shaped the fate of the world for better and/or worse. You may take other races (or just humans for that), but elves do this very well, so you see it often not just for copying Tolkien. It's a powerful narrative tool.
I still want to know what's supposedly so cool about gay little fairy faggots.