Thread 96013032

Dragging on still, 10 years later -Edition

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>Previous Thread:
>>96005231

>Thread Question:
A) each army has its own unique element, specialties, but also hard limits regarding the available tools in the roster, which forces the theme and gameplay of the army.
B) all armies have as many tools and unit types as possible, and themes and specialisations are left only as something the player can choose to have, or to not have.

>>96013032 (OP)
Reminder that Cathay battalion boxes, AJ, and Dice are no longer sold out on GW's store:

>https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/the-old-world/grand-cathay

>https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/the-old-world/grand-cathay

GW probably overproduced them. Expect them to be given away for at the next Adepticon.

>>96012651
The painter is just colorblind. to him it probably looks good, not his fault.

>>96013088
OMG no way TOW has died

>>96013088
wow youre right! let's all buy kino AoS models like these instead!

>>96013032 (OP)
Speaking of dragons, am I correct in this interaction of rules:
>in previous editions maximising the number of models in base contact during a charge was synonymous with maximising the number of models that could effectively attack back at the charging unit
>this was also true in tow when everyone in the frontal rank could attack regardless of how far they were, that is until the recent errata
>now it is possible for something to charge a unit, maximise the number of models in base contact, while also negating some of the attacks that it would have received if it charged the center of the unit
or is the charging unit expected to be placed at the center of the charged unit to maximise not just base contacts, but also overall attacks?

>>96013106
Kinda look on par with some of the metal minatures, so yeah they’re pretty bad.

>>96010527
When you say "Recasts" do you mean metal/resin characters, or recasts of plastic regiment sprues? If the latter; where does one typically look for these things? Does anyone actually recast into Plastic or do they just cast full sprues in Resin? I'm already planning on picking up some shit from the German Recaster Man but that's all characters and individual one-off models.

I'd like a few things, but if I could cheaply get some of the Monopose plastic Bret Longbowmen that would be neat. I have about 20-25 of them I'm painting up presently. Despite the mono (Duo I guess) pose nature I really prefer the look of them to the 6th edition plastics.

Additionally: Does anyone know a source of GW 20mm bases? I'm basing my Brets on 20mms (For backwards compatibility. Realistically I shouldnt have bothered but I have like 50 guys on 20s now so I'm keeping going) but I'm starting to run out. I'm having a lot of trouble finding 20s that actually match GW dimensions. (Most have rounded corners and don't match what I have at all.)

An (unfinished) archer and an Ogre unit filler are being posted as a thread tax, critique welcome. Still deciding how to do the bases, maybe snow.

>>96013138
wat

>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yjzdwr3c/you-are-invited-to-the-big-summer-warhammer-preview-on-18th-july/
We may be getting somthing new for the Tomb Kings.

Bit disappointed suomifrens.
I've been here so long, yet have gone nothing here that's hobby-related.
I'll be leaving in a few weeks, and with weekend occupied at exploring the country I leaves me few time to explore the hobby.

>>96013197
Finally, tomb queens

>>96013197
>those hats
mordheim coming back
hopefully they dont ruin it

>>96013197
>option one: second arcane journal for tomb kings (no significant releases)
>option two: blood bowl team for tomb kings
>option three: kill team for thousand sons or necrons
>option four: >>96013213

>>96013212
>we get Vampire Counts with Neffy and a TK update with Khalida.
Based

>>96013232
No anon, it will be an update for all the old Tomb King plastic kits, 100%.
The voices in my head said so.

>Tomb snores
I sleep.

>>96013232
>>option three: kill team for necrons
I'm going for this simply because there's also a deathwatch hat and we already have rumors of the next kill team box being called "dead silence"
if it wasn't deathwatch vs necrons (which they also commissioned a new cinematic about, by the way) I'll eat my own hat

>>96013246
I would expect some replacement for some of the old metal or resin kits like the Ubshabti, Liche Priest and Necrotech models

>>96013232
>We dont get chaos dwarves because GW cant think of anything new for Age of Slopmar so they are getting them instead.
All the AoS zoomies dont even know what chaos dwarves are. Oh sorry, chaos "Dwarden"

>>96013358
To be fair I doubt 1/3 of the people here would be familiar with them if wasn’t for tww.

>>96013106
Shirtless barbarians are metal and cool, you have negative taste. And the warhound is adorable, I'd want it if I was a chaosfag.

>>96013197
It's mostly going to be AoSwank. They're celebrating surviving as a game for ten years

>>96013378
Nice bait

>>96013197
new tomb kings would be based.

>>96013091
It not possible to recast in plastic. There are however, certain recasters who make plastic facimiles of gw models, but those are limited to high selling 40k kits only

>>96013378
They look too clean, maybe its the painting

>>96013460
It would be interesting to see those models with a different paint job, maybe something inspired by Soulblighter, but the models themselves are also bad

>>96013197
So what you're implying is that things are going to be getting spooky?

>>96013451

I didn't imagine so. I've seen resin casts of sprues before, which I suppose is fine. I've been told to check, like, alibaba for these things before but honestly I've never had any luck finding anything. To be honest I imagine I'm unlikely to actually find recasts of the stuff I want as they're somewhat obscure.

>>96013485
you can find very obscure stuff in a lot of a catalogs, I've ordered casts of a lot of out of print and weird old fantasy models. casters tend to focus on obscure stuff and extremely popular new stuff, since those are the two main markets for casts. Ask arond your lgs once you get to know people, the good casters are email-only

>>96013197
>We may be getting somthing new for the Tomb Kings
The fat fuck valcuck says he's heard "men of war" are coming for fantasy, which I thought he was talking about the game of ships, but no, he's just too ignorant to know they're called "dogs" of war, but in any case he confirmed he's heard about mercenaries coming to the old world.

>>96013197
Vampire pirates confirmed

>>96013553
I don't think GW would be able to handle another new game line right now, they are still building the new factory in Nottingham so a Man O War reluanch seems unlikely

>>96013205
That's a shame, anon. I've often wanted to visit Finland. (Though they would likely execute my Ameritard ass for constantly making small talk with strangers)
I was absolutely delighted by my trip to England, where you can find multiple lead peddlers in the smallest fucking towns. Pop into a hole in the wall in fucking Stoke and find rare OOP models. Of course there's also more to tourism than hobbying, but it helps.
>>96013229
God fucking please no. It's got a perfect community right now. I liked ToW but Mordheim should stay outside GW's current reach, having reached an almost ideal final form as a free game where everyone kitbashes shit.

>>96013197
>new army for AoS
so thats propably going to be chaos dwarves.
cool.

>>96013567
I am saying it's NOT man'o war, but dogs of war.

>>96013596
New Dogs of War models would still need to be made as the old ones were too connected to characters that won't be born for another 200 years in the Timeline for TOW.

Genuinely what’s the appeal?

>>96013633
empire but significantly cooler

>>96013197
>>96013232
>>96013553
>>96013562
As long as it's not Kislev, I'm happy!

>>96013610
go tell that to malakai

they'll reuse the birdmen and say they were already built by others way before daddalo (who canonically only built them because there were blueprints for them circulating since leonardo)
they'll reuse the lost legion and say that's the generic attire of the mercenaries that routinely go to lustria
they'll reuse the leopard company and say that's classic old attire that leopold was simply reusing
they'll reuse long drong's slayer pirates and say there's always been dwarf pirates anyway
and so on except for the cursed company which has been around for hundreds of years, and maybe marco colombo, who had an elixir of long life apparently

>>96013562
yuck

>>96013633
people just like Renaissance Italy that doesn't take itself too seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn6VG-3NoqY

>>96013197
>implying it's not for Thousand Sons.

>>96013659
They already got released for this edition of 40k, so it's unlikely to be them.
could be plastic TS in HH, I suppose.

>>96013639
>greenskins
>empire
huh?

>>96013674
that's on the significantly cooler part

>>96013674
would you rather play as the shoeless militia of Sausageburg defending it from beastmen raiders in a squabble in the mud or THE GOLDEN BLADE OF TILEA, RENOUNED CHAMPION OF WAR, HUSBAND TO MYRMIDA, AND LEADER OF THE GILDED LEGION

Vampire Coast bros…it’s almost time

>>96013714
Is my wife coming back?

>>96013659
sure, could also be necrons, TK for Bloodbowl and so on. but I have a bit of hope

>>96013719
no

>>96013719
was she ever in the game?

>>96013739
shes from man o' war

>>96013719
It's pretty retarded she's a vampire coast lord in the game

>>96013633
For me it's the "multiple races working together" side.

>>96013719
easily the worst character concept from dreadfleet and the second worst concept of that DLC, they even got her design wrong: she doesn't have spines growing off her skin, she's wearing a skin with spines.

>>96013748
>shes from man o' war
no she was only in Dreadfleet

>>96013756
horrible image to represent that

>>96013756
>alliance
yikes

>>96013719
No but mine is.

>>96013714
>yfw Vampirates are actually an Underworlds warband.

>>96013825
Praying this is true. If you have to make them, keep them in the containment game.

>>96013843
You're going to get a fat ghost opera singer riding a giant crab and you're gonna like it.

I'm of 2 minds for AoS getting Chorfs.
If they get "Ha'shut Fyre Duradin" that are a new take on them, then I won't mind.
But if they get actual Chaos Dwarfs that have the full Mesopotamian industrial look, I'll be pissed off. Because it will be further proof that AoS is the weaker setting, that it needs to keep leeching off of fantasy, and also because Chorfs are one of my "drop everything" armies and I'll be pissed off that fucking AoS got them and not TOW.

>>96013861
If we believe Valrak AoS Chorf were originally meant for TOW, but an exec saw what the team was doing and thought it was too good for TOW, so made them which it to AoS.

>>96013861
AoS ones won't even be Chorfs. The warband thing they got was a mix of races. If they get anything, it's a multiracial, vaguely fire, vaguely bull-themed blob

>>96013861
you know you can just buy the models and put them on squares right

>>96013861
I'd rather get proper chorfs in AoS than their wacky bizarro version. You can always put them on squares and be a happy camper, as other people do with AoS lizardmen, vampires and skaven.

>>96013032 (OP)
>had started converting a chorf army
>was pondering giving up and just going with the big hat chorfs
>now rumor is the next reveal stream is going to include aos chorfs
Too many ways to build them, I cannot decide.

I like how we all are acting as if we are getting a new army/models, when all we will get is what's in Cathay's 2nd Arcane Journal.

>>96013881
Question is if they'll rank up and pose well. Chorfs in particular should look very organized and regimented.

>>96013861
>i dont want new thing
>but they also better not get old thing

stop making console wars your entire personality faggot

>>96013870
Got a source for this?

>>96013879
>>96013881
>>96013941
I'm just petty.

>>96013934
>there is only so much you can do with a dw...

>>96013946
He brings it up if you ask him in his livestreams

>>96013941
NTA but GW have deliberately structured their business model to make people think like that. If you buy a kit labelled as AoS, even if you use it for Fantasy, the bean counters tick it against the AoS studio's sales and not Fantasy's, thus making them more likely to invest in more AoS rather than TOW for future releases. This isn't identity politics console wars, it's rational self-interest. You can't really blame Fantasy players of all people feeling insecure over this, considering the End Times.

>>96013005
I don't see it, ancient Chinese illustrations of armor are fairly realistic. The color scheme from the community team fits large constructs such as the setinels not jade warriors wearing lamellar.

>>96013947
No, you're just fucking retarded and highly likely a TWW secondary with no models

>>96013947
Petty (retarded subhuman)

>>96013757
Nah, Aranessa's great. She's literally grimdark Ariel from the Little Mermaid. It's just that instead of transforming her tail to legs with a spell she sawed off her own legs and got prosthetics instead and became a pirate.

The TW version is retarded and doesn't make sense though.

>AoS gets Big Hat Reddit chorfs
>TOW gets Legion of Azkino

>>96014010
>AoS gets
Already a bad ending.

>>96013967
Fucking hell anon I am not doing that

>>96014068
He has talked about it in the streams in the past, but I completely understand why you wouldn't want to trawl through two dozen livestreams on YouTube where he might have said it.

>>96013126
you charge the shortest distance and then maximize base contact

>>96014038
It has its place as a containment game for all the worst ideas. Kind of like how Jupiter shields the earth from meteor strikes.

>>96013870
>GW so petty and upset their shitty grifter game isn't as popular as 40k or even the game they killed to astroturf its sales they do shit like this now
Sounds like bullshit but I choose to believe it.

>>96013633
for me it's the ability throw an eclectic mixture of zany units together into one army who will fight all over the known world and beyond for MONEY.

Can someone show me where is can get PDF to this system other then official ? :D

>>96014099
Still, if they get the actual chaos dwarfs while we're stuck with the chaos warrior copies that are just their slayers when they both be the same army to begin with it is bad.

>>96014010
>>TOW gets Legion of Azkino
This is not happening though

>>96014128
you have a remarkably surface level brain

>>96014140
Plenty of FW kits from that era have been rolled into the main lines for TOW. I'll admit I am totally wishlisting, but it's not impossible

>>96014141
LoA was just evil fyre slayers before AoS.

>>96014151
LoA were actual Warhammer designs, fitting in with the Hellcanon crew from Storm of Chaos. Hatslop deserves to be dead, or, funnier yet, in AoS

>>96014161
Ah yes, actual warhammer designs unlike the big hat chaos dwarves designed for wargods of aegyptus or something.

>>96013471
They're not overdesigned cadslop with ten thousand tiny details, so they're automatically better than about 70-80% of chaos.

>>96013861
>>96013870
Is there a reason why GW doesn't sell this Spearhead version of Ogres in their online store anymore? Also were these old WHFB sculps or new sculps made for AoS?

>>96014206
Only the tyrant is new

>>96014206
Other than the tyrant with a stormie helmet in an annoying place to remove, it's all fantasy figures.

>>96014206
WHFB sculpts apart from the Tyrant

I miss how good (and shit, in equal measure) the threads were before Cathay and all these aos animals invaded.

>>96014260
This general has been gay as hell since TOW dropped to be completely honest with you.

>>96013858
I'd buy it
The Idoneth sea creatures are great

These threads were never good.

>>96014206
Most of those ogres are 20 years old and the only plastics GW ever made for them, no updates only new units. Chorfs died so Ogres could do nothing in their place.

>>96014288
And here's why that's a good thing

>>96013197
But what about Kislev?

>>96013879
>giving the AoS team money
I know GW gets the money in the end either way, but former employees have stated that they compare sales of each game system and i dont want Age of Slopmar to get revenue

>>96014206
>we have reached the point where der zoomer cannot tell which models are from which decade
my oldfag status confirmed.

>>96014300
True.
Guess 3rd party hat chorfs it remains.

>>96014310
If anything, it shows how well those sculpts have aged.

>>96014300
This will be Cathay at Adepticon 2026 in 9 months.

>>96014340
>cheap battleforces
We should be so lucky.
They come out tomorrow right? I'll pop over to my FLGS and see if they have at least the Shugengan.

Got a set of two games vs two opponents tomorrow. Vamps then orcs and gobbos. Can't wait!

>>96014206
>is there a reason gw doesn't sell this box anymore
Yea they noticed it was too good of a deal, can't have that
Most of the box is old fantasy sculpts, only the tyrant is new. Ogres haven't gotten that much new stuff in AoS yet? , just two new characters, an underworlds warband or two and then the new gorgers from warcry

>>96014238
>>96014229
The tyrant is a FB design as well, shitmar ogres have pin heads and lanky limbs. They'll retool the mould to remove the trooncast mask when they move the faction back home.

>>96013197
It's not tomb kings it's necrons. Also chaos dwarves for sigmar. I think there's not a single thing there for ToW.

>>96014457
Necrons already got their release for 40k. They'll get nothing until 11th.

What was Games Day like in the Sweltering Summer of '92?
Is this really what the UK population looked like back then compared to now?

>>96014488
No, we know there's a necron killteam coming.

>>96014495
>didnt gatekeep his hobby
>didnt gatekeep his country
KWAB

>>96014495
Much less obesity. Interesting
The table you can walk on is sick.

>>96014206
Because they want you to buy the new one

What’s the usual eta between the Battalion box releasing and then the individual kits releasing? I’m interested in the cannons for Ogre purposes, though admittedly I’m weighing my options on just getting the Battalion Box too to have a non Legacy Army.

>>96014618
a month, but the Cathay Box might go on for a while longer yet

>>96014618
You can check ebay, there will probably be splits available and they'll cost less than the release

Alright, if Chorfs are going to be announced for AoS, will they be more like the modernized Chorfs of TWWH, or will they be AoS-ified into overdesigned slop? Moreover, will we be getting cursed corporate-mandated fem-chorfs?

>>96014405
Have fun anon.

>>96014664
>modernized Chorfs of TWWH, or will they be AoS-ified into overdesigned slop
Same thing
>cursed corporate-mandated fem-chorfs?
Yes

>>96014664
Don't forget that the darker their skin is the more power they have over pale skins. This is part of the reason they detest other Dwarfs

>>96014664
>Moreover, will we be getting cursed corporate-mandated fem-chorfs?
I hope so.

>>96014683
I don't know. I don't think the modernized versions look bad. Looking at the STL for the blunderbuss unit, none of them are choked out with detail, and they still have enough of the older design elements to be recognizably Chorf.

>>96014756
There's your mistake. You want cute, but evil, short stacks, but what we'll get are beardless (or bearded), barrel-shaped men with something approximating breasts around their chest.

WIP Rat Ogres for my Skaven. Any C+C appreciated.

If you could buff one unit in any army which would you choose and what would you want them to have?

I want Rat Ogres to have ap-1 baked into their sheets instead of Armour Bane 2.

>>96013088
Anon you now the cathay boxes aren't a limited run right?

>>96014300
if you are emotionally invested in what internal branch of the toy company gets bonuses that year you're too deep in the consumer rabbit hole and need to pull up

>>96014756
you will get a 2 female (ugly) heads on the sprue instead to be put on the same bodies as the men, not hot short bitches

>>96014861
I would strongly recomend pivoting with your basing to something else

>>96013976
I love how this is literally just baseless speculation but people itt will take it as fact

>>96014781
I think it's time we had cute, not evil (but very racist) shortstacks.

>>96014873
No.
The siggy piggy GW staffer gets $0.00 from me (they do it for free)

>11 hours till cathay
Finally

>>96014879
I honestly wish they didn't do that shit. If there absolutely, positively has to be shit like female dwarfs (or females in general) then at least have them make sense, be on brand for their faction, and actually look like females. Vampire women or female elves? No problem - put them basically wherever and it fine. Dwarf women as basic rank and file combatants? Fuck right off with that shit. At least have the decency to make them a rememberer or a priestesses Valaya/Hashut. Hell, I'd even be fine with an engineer, smith, or some weird flock of matrons or something.

>>96014972
What if they added Harridans to the Chorfs?

>>96014972
An armoured unit of vengeful mourning widows could work for Dwarfs. Like Valayan Sisters of Sigmar.

>>96014972
I think there's some lore for chorfs of an elderly female bodyguard group.

If the Count of Ostermark (Amadeus Steinhardt) was in Mordheim when the comet fell, does that mean the Ostermark Runefang was lost in Mordheim?

If so, that's a fun plot hook.
I kind of wish we a slightly better history for some of the important artifacts. We don't even know who originally bore which Runefang. Presumably Crowfeeder (The Nordland Runefang) was actually the Westerland Runefang for most of its history.

Also how the fuck did the Crown of Sorcery get from Sigmar to a barrow in Troll Country? That's a gaping hole.

>Go to games work shop dot com
>year is 2025
>10 year anniversary of Age of Shitmar
>Navigate website to "Order: Cities of Sigmar"
>Dark elves core troops, cold ones and sorceress are STILL on square bases 10 years later
They are coming home like beastmen did boys

>>96014563
The old ones are also old one from WHFB.

>>96015003
No the old ones originated in 40k

>>96014989
>If the Count of Ostermark (Amadeus Steinhardt) was in Mordheim when the comet fell, does that mean the Ostermark Runefang was lost in Mordheim?
maybe, but it's been found by the time of WFB/WFRP

>>96014537
>Unit banners recreated in life size
Okay, I'm officially jealous
>>96014972
I still want "Chaos Dwarf Harridans" from the Wulfrik novel, where Chaos Dwarfs immediately force their post-menopausal women to join suicidal shock-troop regiments wielding greatmauls and no armour. It's really fucking funny and on-brand for the evil bastards. "No more babies? In the regiment you go, honey"

I'm about to buy some 2nd hand chaos dwarves and would need some ID help.
The seller present this models in the middle as "zargob", does anyone recognize what it is?
It looks like a random assembly of bits to me, yet the main body seems to mostly match the style, but too big.
I'm underselling my confusion, is it even a citadel model? It sure isn't zhatan.

>>96014995
Can we get the 6th edition warriors? The boob plate bit is sorely missed.

>>96014925
>Dwarf women are racist to humans
>fuck human men
>dragon women are the opposite and actually enjoy humans and live among them
>also fuck human men
Horseshoe theory.

>>96014984
I like that idea. Pretty easy to spin it for either regular dwarfs and chorfs. Regular dwarfs could be grieving widows or house guards (think samurai women during sieges), whereas chorfs could be women seeking to prove themselves and keep their husband's property after his death.
The difference here being one is more spiritual and sentimental, whereas the other material and self-interested. The chorf version could be more heavily armoured and use a hybrid kit, since they're more invested in actually surviving.

>>96015168
I could see that being a good way to flesh out well-off chorfs from poor ones. Poor chorf women that can't have kids basically just get punted into suicide squads I'm order to prove they have worth.

Another option could be combat medics. Sounds weird for the chorfs, but it'd be less about protecting life and more about cost cutting. Merciless chorf women running around the battlefield providing aid or running triage (finishing anyone to broken to heal) with all the care and grace of a butcher. Hell, they could even extort gold or favours from injured chorfs to receive better treatment.

undead are fun to paint

Marauder horsemen proxies? What are my options there?

>>96015291
Naked buff dudes on horses hurling javelins?
I mean, that's not hard to get. The issue is scale as most of those are truescale 1/52 rather than the 1/48 heroic of Warhammer.
So either get Germanic cavalry or buy 3d prints of barbarians on horses.

>play the mordheim game
>1st mission
>warband split up, rats aren't, they gang up and murder everyone in short order
Surely tabletop Mordheim is less unfair than this.

>>96015726
Y.. yeah
>T got fucking bodied in an Ambush scenario last tournament
(The tabletop is actually good fun)

>>96015726
Maybe you should go ask /gwsg/ because this is a Warhammer Fantasy Battles thread

>>96015763
TOW is a specialist game.

>>96015763
>>96015785
This, go ask in the right place. Your reasoning is retarded it’s like going to HHG to ask about dreadfleet.

I got my Cathay stuff earlier today. I've built the sentinel up to the legs and I've got some advice for anyone picking it up tomorrow: The instructions are pretty bad and I think make several errors that make the build much more difficult.

Steps 1e and 3e suggest adding the "kneepads" to the the lower leg assembly, when infact the fit is much easier to add them to the upper leg assembly and then combine the upper and lower assemblies.

Steps 1c and 3c suggest adding the rocky calf muscle bits directly to the lower legs, before you attach the outer armour in the subsequent steps, but it's much easier to instead combine the outer armour with the rocky calf muscles, and then attach them to the lower legs.

That's as far as I've got so far, but there are loads of bits, so I anticipate more bad instructions.

>>96015291
Why would you proxy them? Is your army something else just running on WoC rules? You have to be more specific.

>>96015855
Thanks anon. I am not looking forward to putting it together tomorrow. Maybe I’ll leave it to last.

>>96015726
Don't pick any of the split deployment scenarios. Your only options should be 'Rivals in the Ruins' (pitched battle), 'Walk in the Fog' (same, but slightly different deployment) and 'Scavengers' (pitched battle, but one team starts in a house). Mordheim's videogame adaptation uses a frankensteined Mordheim/WFRP system, and it inherited the rpg's ganking problem. Learn the mechanics as VC, they're the best faction to hammer home the core gameplay by forcing you to blob up. Under no circumstances play as rats until you're very experienced (completed the story mode as 2 or 3 factions), they will give you bad habits and make learning everything else endless suffering.

Chaos dwarves are too…eastern for tow anyways.

How do you make a lammasu worthwhile? The no magic weapons rule is cool but it seems very hard to make them effective in melee. Daemonology would give you a decent quantity of attacks and a bit better ap but you still have been ws. Dark magic is cool for the teleport and frenzy to help blood of hashuts land if you go that way.

>>96014861
I like the rats themselves. Like the other anon, I'm not big on the bases

>>96014861
>>96016081
Me again
I just don't like lava bases in general

>>96014861
I personally like the bases. They're radioactive, almost, and I like that. Good stuff, anon! You may want to drybrush or highlight the edges of the rusty metal bits with a silver paint to really make them look like rusty metal. You kinda started doing that on some of the spikes and stuff, but you should go further with it.

>>96013690
I don't want to play either.

>>96016166
>>96016130
>>96016081
I want to fuck the bases with my penis

>>96014861
I like the bases more than the models themselves, mostly because I think furries are cringe.

>>96014756
Shut the fuck up coomer
You shouldn't be allowed to vote
You are a second class pornbrain subhuman

>>96014781
If we got new chaos dwarfs that looked exactly like their TWW counterparts, I would be thoroughly pleased.

They really are an authentic mix between the old big hats + legion of azgorh

>>96013714
The hat could just as easily be an empire hat

If it is Vampire Coast
I will flip the proverbial table if there is a GIANT. FUCKING. CRAB.
Cathay gets the retarded blimp that makes no sense as something that interacts on a battlefield so where the fuck is the giant crab you fucks

>>96016473
You know it's probably for kharadron overlords

>>96016481
God fucking damnit. You're probably right.

>>96016473
Why would you expect them to release another micro faction

>>96013106
The chad with the axe is acceptable, the rest can fuck right off

I don't think there'll be another new army until we've gone back through and done more arcane journals or campaign books.

>>96016485
Because it would be more interesting than Kislev

>>96015726
It's less unfair in that unless your opponent is taking loaded dice you both can get fucked up equally. Sure, your opponent's Necromancer with a bow may have crit your leader, but his Vampire rolled 1s for attacking your Youngblood and got shanked out of both his wounds. It's fun as hell if you don't get too competitive about it.

>>96016503
>Kislev
Another micro faction

>>96016526
Same can be said for Cathay and look where we are

>>96016546
Don't worry I thought Cathay getting added was cringe too.

When Miao Ying turns into a dragon and decreases to a level 2 wizard, do you just pick which two spells she still knows, or do you roll for them somehow?

>>96013633
If the cover doesn't do it for you, then I got some bad news. It's you.

>>96016612
She still knows all her spells but via the new FAQ can only cast two of them.

Unsure when the thread went, but here's the body and base of my cockatrice all done! I'm working on the wings right now

>>96015209
Middle is certainly not a 3rd or 4th ed sculpt

When we wake up the world of fantasy is going to be a bit more cathayan.

>>96016913
Good

>>96013032 (OP)
This is a horrible pornbrained OP image that uses almost all non GW models. Fix yourself.

>>96015855
>>96015922
>they bought a CADshit CADslice model with more than 50 parts
you get what you deserve

>>96017002
Are we pretending metals were better now.

>>96017006
In understanding how they fit together at a glance, old metal are certainly better, but assembling big metal mini has its own issues like pinning.

>>96017006
You can have plastic parts that aren't CADsliced shit. i miss the monopose.
>clip from sprue
>put on base
>done building

>>96017015
>>96017006
Look at the instructions of the LoC. Its a bunch of lines because the head goes where the head would be, the left arm goes where the left arm would be, same with the right, then it stands on its legs.
There are no numbers on the instructions because you dont need them despite it having over 10 parts.

these new models where you get CADsliced capes and cuts in the middle of the arm instead of the shoulder joint are a pain in the ass. Theyve gone backward in fun.

>>96017017
This literally appeals to the lowest common denominator. Like Jesus anon this is for genuine baby’s, and you’re probably the reason why gw does push fit. People like to convert their minis, and actually build their stuff, not run around with their differently colored Nike ad facing off against a nmm Skechers.

>>96017028
People used to convert metal minis just fine.

>$30 for hard plastic and not printed huge cathay dragon
GW seething

>>96014266
This is very gay but I do very much like that bludgeon

>>96017017
>monopose is good because you don't have to do any work

Go back

>>96017045
Those wings look like complete ass

>>96017045
>tfw your dragon skipped wing day
Should clip them off anyway, chink dragons fly by crawling on clouds

>>96017182
They’re optional

>>96015374
Tried looking. It all looked like ass

>>96013126
The charge rules haven’t changed, it’s still the shortest route that will take you into contact with the most models so you don’t take into account what would give your opponent the most hits back

Vampire Coast are the ultimate r*ddit faction

>>96017312
That would be Clan Eshin Skaven
>ZOMG! Just like muh ninja turtles! This is epic!!!!

>>96017312
True.

Factions in order from gigachad to virgin basedboy

>Beastmen
>Chaos Warriors
>Wood Elves
>Dorfs
>Brets
>Greenskins
>Tomb Kangs
>Empire
>High elves

>>96017432
>any elves being in the top 7
discarded

>>96017440
>>96017432
>top 3 all feature halfnaked humanoid males
Checks out

>>96017440
Ur a fuckin nigger bro get assraped>>96017448
Teehee xd

>>96017462
>get assraped
Im not gay. thats the wood elves players.

>>96015285
this looks so cool

>>96017312
nah, that's dwarfs of all kinds

>>96014664
This isn’t a chaos dwarf anon
These are
>Vulkrath Forgeborn

>>96017045
>anon discovers he can buy cheap ugly knockoff minis

>>96013633
Isn't the appeal of being a mercenary band self evident? Might as well ask what the appeal of the Roman Empire is, or knights, or ninja.

It's done, now it's either a chaos spawn, a razorgor or 3 dragon orgres, leaning towards razorgor, get the metal out of the way.

>>96017724
you did the chicken, now you do the pork

>>96017736
>derp
>dur
Man, in hindsight it's like seeing a horseshoe crab in the wild.

>>96017736
It isn't even necessarily about money. You can also get good minis for good prices. That dragon just looks like shit.

>>96014664
going off the hobgrotz they'll be fairly different and probably more outwardly devoted to Hashut, given that being aesthetically and culturally obsessed with your patron God is shitmar design 101.

Sus goats.
Just need to do metal highlights on a few more axes then do another coat of green on the base.

What should I do next, shaman or minotaurs?

>>96017759
Are they bad enough to have a naked sexy woman tied up on their shields?

>>96017766
No I'm not enough of a degenerate to do that shit. I have a career and kids

>>96017748
>going off the hobgrotz
the rumormongers already confirmed that the existing hobgrots won't be in the new chorf line and that they'll instead get a separate new hobgrots kit.

it's retarded, but it seems to be the truth.

>>96017759
Minotaurs, get the troops done before working on the character.

>>96017773
sure but it'll be the same design but with an extended kit with more options.

>>96016635

Looking grand anon!

>>96017312
Correct.

>>96017792
The current kit is ETB bullshit so it might be a "full" kit.

>>96017894
exactly, there is no way the AoS chorfs will remotely resemble or be useable as fantasy chorfs, anymore than lumineth or fyreslayers suit fantasy elves or dwarfs. The AoS team avoid fantasy design elements like the plague and always add in a completely new theme like zen buddhism or an element to pull it away from the fantasy designs. I'd be surprised if they even kept so much as bull centaurs or Lammasu even.

>>96017907
>The AoS team avoid fantasy design elements like the plague
except for vampires, and chaos undivided, and night goblins, and skaven, and wolf riders
so most probably also for chorfs

>>96017006
No, but most people who have built the Sentinel have said it's needlessly complicated and fiddly to build.

>>96017911
>except for vampires
Ah yes, the the dragontaur and snake rider and shitty root zombies are so fanrasy.
>and chaos undivided
They look more like futbol hooligans than orcs, not Norse.
>and night goblins, and skaven,
Lmao.
>and wolf riders
Those they just made shitty copies of MESBG units out of.

My warlord got sniped by an empire cannon turn 4 and two days later my opponent sent me this

>>96017918
You're just going full retard now.

>>96017911
>Vampires
they are a lot more stylised and aberrant with twink proportions, deliberate switch ups like skull heads on the steeds and the characters are weird bat centaur abominations. I'll give you the chaff stuff though even there they have differentiated them with more eastern designs that wouldn't fit Old World skeletons and the zombies are all rooty as well.

>chaos undivided
Of all the elements they can change with those, the shields were the most iconic and they changed them. It might not look majorly different but put the aos chaos next to fantasy stuff and it is profoundly different in proportion and some details also even if the same elements are there.

>skaven
they clearly gave up trying to redesign skaven, they recognised that they are too iconic in their current iteration the same with the goblin stuff.

>so most probably also for chorfs
again no, especially because chorfs are a blank design space for them and not an iconic set-in-stone mainline faction like porting skaven or goblins over was. There is no reason to think that shitmar chorfs will resemble fantasy chorfs beyond a few common elements.

>>96017922
That's pretty funny.

>>96017922
he's not allowed to snipe characters with cannons.

>>96017934
Nigger... It didnt change much anyway because it was a lost cause by turn 3.

>>96017926
Whatever legacy boy.

>>96017911
Anon AoS vampires are more Russia themaed than neo-Kislev is, they aren't the same shit as VC, even if many of the units depict the same concept

>>96017927
Everything you've said is wrong.

>>96017944
tell me about the russian theme of this dude

>>96017949
it's ok anon you don't have to justify choosing the inferior models to me.

>>96017961
The new bloodknights feel made out of spite. Just blown up to monstrous cavalry in size so people can't proxy them and then having regular cav rules anyways.
Reminder GW especifically mentioned these fuckers when banning proxies because people kept using dragon princes instead.

>>96017961
You can argue about the quality, you cannot argue against the fact it's still the same design elements that were present in fantasy.

>also, not posting the real blood knights

>>96017927
You nailed it with the Chaos Warrior shields. The new ones are such trash they ruin the entire sculpt.

>>96017956
>armour is red
>sovjet flag is red
Clear as day

>>96017972
>the same design elements that were present in fantasy
Bruh. Red armor is not a design element.

>>96017972
you can only stretch design elements so far until they lose visual cohesion with the originals anon, I'm arguing that there is a lot less visual cohesion than you might expect even for those units in aos that are direct copies of fantasy units so to expect any cohesion whatsoever with a scratch-built faction like we'l see for the new chorfs to a faction in fantasy is absurd, just like how kharadron or fyreslayers could never fit within the dwarfs range despite sharing design elements with them.

>>96017961
blood knights are the only real bust in terms of revamped WHF units, arguably the Varghulf, too. All of the other stuff is a net upgrade to the old miniatures. Splitting undead into self-contained subfactions with dedicated release windows was a gift to VC players. All we need now is proper characters who can double as Lahmia and Necrarch. The initial wave of tim burton slop vampires needs an update.

>>96017994
If you're not buying Fantasy why tie yourself to GW when buying proxies.
I don't want to understand this mindset, it is vexxing.

The only good new VC sculpts are the Wight King on steed, the bats, and the wolves. Everything else is garbage, especially the skeletons and zombies.

>>96017988
the difference between the new vampires and the old vampires is now here near comparable to the one between kharadrons and old dwarfs, kharadrons are a new army, vampires aren't, chorfs won't be a new army, they'll be chorfs; it's not rocket science.

>>96017996
I've never argued against proxies, but I've yet to see something that comes close to the more recent AoS undead. Printed the ClayBeast Varghulf a couple of years ago because that was a baller sculpt for example.

Does anyone have the link to an old Warhammer TV vid where Duncan kitbashes chaos knights of tzeentch?

>>96017972
I wouldn't mind this rendition of blood knights if those who did it bothered to remove the overtly elfy details

>>96018010
and the fact that they have obligatory female sculpts

>>96018007
it was just using a tzaangor's axehead for the tzeentchian helmet crest and replacing the weapon and shield also with tzaangors'

>>96017988
Nta but I feel like the blood knights, and most of the standard vampire range remains pretty unchanged from whfb to aos. Like yeah the blood knights aren't a perfect 1 to 1 update, but they retain the general ideas behind the sculpt.

Now a better example would be the skeleton part of the range, which going from whfb to aos has gained this semi eastern european, semi bronze age barrows style, as opposed to the more standard gothic medieval style of old fantasy. And then there's the eastern european vampire stuff, but that's all derived from cursed city (and mostly squatted in the new tome ?)

>>96018003
>khaadrons are a new army
they are inspired by dwarfs and reflect the changes that dwarfs underwent in the mortal realms as a consequence of living in a new realm devoted to a wind of magic. Chorfs in AoS will be the same, it's not rocket science.

>>96018006
>something that comes close to shitty AoS cadbortions
You do you man.

Love the new rat ogres. The packmaster needs some work still. I changed his pose to make him less two-dimensional, but it's a nice base to work with. I might pounce on the brood terror thing to give him a bodyguard, even though that sculpt requires extensive reworking.

>>96018036
Overdesigned, bad poses, looks too Skryre-y

>>96018036

holy shit, shell out for some proper bases you check fuck

>>96018030
What else would I do, lol? Listen to some random Polish guy's opinion on the internet?

>>96018043
>proper bases
Can you recommend some?

New skaven are hit or miss, but the rogers are the best they've ever done.

>>96018063
>globadiers, weapon teams, doom flayers
So much great stuff from the recent releases, hopefully pestilens gets the same treatment.

>>96018036
Agree with the other anon - I hate mdf bases unless its turnip28 or some other alt wargame

>>96018041
agree, fantasy isnt aos

>>96018066
I really don't mind too much, but at least you fellas have the option to order citadel bases again now that ToW is a thing.

>>96018041
>>96018069

Disagree. They're well in-line with the Island of Blood ones tech-level wise.

>>96018076
Even the previous plastics had the arm flamer. God, those were some hideous sculpts.

>>96018087
in their defense they were no worse than the rest of the skaven range, skaven were just built different back then, and the packmaster and giant rats in the same kit was a better deal than you get now.

>>96018093
Fair, they are only terrible in hindsight. Back then I liked them all the same.

>>96018043
>>96018066
just finished cutting some bases
t. eri

>>96018069
Steampunk is such a shitty aesthetic,, I'm glad those factions are now in a containment game.

>>96018110
yeah, I'm glad the steam tank is not in TOW

>>96018118
Steam engine =/= steampunk.
Even the robot horse is clockwork, not steampunk.

>>96018036
>even though that sculpt requires extensive reworking
What's your plan for it? seems quite a rather tame hellpit proxy

>>96018093
>>96018100
No, I was there, they were definitely a disgraceful downgrade the moment they got shown, same with the other infamously and uncharacteristically ugly unit released at the same time: the plastic lizardmen cold ones

>>96013585
Finland is a very nice and green place, though I mostly maintained within the capital's metropolitan area. And yeah, a great majority of people very much don't like small talk with strangers, but they're too polite to execute you if you try lol.
If I'm not misremembering, some finnanons had claimed there being some tabletop interest, with Fantasy and even Mordheim, but I just don't see it; but then again, may have been too distracted to notice.
Days are long but enjoyable (if the unstable weather permits it).

>>96018129
I like the body, but I'm not a fan of the large horned head and the stitched-on rat. Gotta see the kit in person to figure out the details, but I'd probably get rid of the smaller head and change the appendages somewhat. Waiting to get a good deal on it before committing.

TO WAR

>>96018160
looks comfy, anon

So will GW ever release the Cathay AJ and match play guide in Epub?

>>96018160
Paint your models retard-kun

>>96018198
Rude anon. Just need to base but they're painted

>>96018178
Thanks. We are doing break poing

A unit of chaos knights with mark of khorne

How would you equip them?

>>96015855
>>96017002
Have none of you lazy fucks ever built a Gunpla before?

>>96018223
lances, their mark of khorne is pointless unless you charge, so you might as well equip them to make their charges as good as possible

in terms of actual models and conversions, I think a proper unit of khornate guys should have a mixed equipment of flails, cavalry hammers, maces and one guy a lance with 8 skulls impaled along the shaft, to represent the unit banner

The General and Command Units trained for The Reiklland

>>96018198
I'm the chaos

>>96018036
Looking cool anon.
Don't listen to those anons who haven't posted any models.
What would you use the Brood Terror for?

>>96017216
Options should look good

>>96018309
Thanks, anon. Not sure what I'd use it as rules-wise, maybe I'll adapt the rules of 6th boneripper to add him as a bodyguard for my master moulder.

>>96018030
Anon you know the vast majority of 3rd party models are also made using modeling software right?

>>96018087
very poseable unlike most current shit though.
the amount of cutting and greenstuff you have to do just to get some modern gw to not look exactly like the studio pose is nightmarish.

>>96018141
But yeah, I hope I have still time to get introduced into Warhammer.
Dare I say meet and greet one of you anons?

>>96017747
>GWIDF is posting again
looks good to me

>>96018373
dunno if there is any warhammer to be had in the capital because ive never visited, once i heard countrys only official gw store is there but never cared enough to google if its true
fantasiapelit should have few tables to go shoot shit with if there is anyone playing something other than magic, most likely at this time saturday most ppl are already drunk and playing garage hammer at home

>>96017759
Nice but don't you have more gors to paint? I hope you wont deploy a unit of just 10 gors anon.

>>96018371
It's a lot more effort but the end result also looks a lot better. I prefer it this way.

What armies are the biggest winners of the FAQ changes?
What armies are the biggest losteders of the FAQ changes?

>>96018407
Just passed by Fantasiapelit; there are plenty of people there but it's mainly buying, and no tables set atm.
There is a Warhammer store, in Kamppi next to the little parliament, though never entered into it.

>>96018453
>winners
Empire>Beastmen>High Elves

>losers
Dwarfs>Orcs and Goblins>Bretonnia.

>>96018470
Dwarfs are big winners

>>96018459
people like to play at home in peace, one time lgs games or random tournaments are just a way to make connections
thats pretty much the way it works here imho
welcome to winland anon

>>96018470
Dwarf are actually big winners, infanry being good now is a good thing for an army that is entirely infantry.

>>96018572
It's delayed in 6 months every time you ask

>>96018470
>Empire
What units gained the most from it?

>>96018494
>>96018522
dwarfs were bigger winners when they could buff their infantry to be among the best, now other factions are closer in line to them and usually cheaper in points. The changes to skirmishers also hurts rangers quite a lot and on top of that the Anvil is a lot more vulnerable. While it isn't a nerf they have been caught up by other armies now and if not being worse they certainly won't perform any better in tournaments but we'll see.

>>96018593
State Troops probably gained the most which is important seeing as they are a massive core option. Greatswords also got a flat buff swinging at str6 which gives you another option over cannons for dealing damage to monstrous stuff. In a way their wizards are also even better for their points with the nerf to wizard levels, they are very spammable.

>>96018470
Orcs are fine other than spamming poison bows dwarves came out winners
Really maybe chaos lost a bit (no 500pt or more characters) but generally no army lost, dragonlords lost so armies meta shifted.

>>96018470
Goblins lost, orcs are doing great

>>96018625
>the anvil is more vunerable
To what? It's also one of the best shutdown and magic resistance just increased stock.

>>96017956
Well you see he’s bald.

>>96017972
This is the equivalent of using 40k minis in 30k. It just feels wrong on such a fundamental level.

>>96018692
>equivalent of using 40k minis in 30k
> It just feels wrong on such a fundamental level
using same models on multiple game systems used to be the norm so have they finally managed to weed out the last remnants of that era

i know they are not called specialist games anymore but do people buy new models to those smaller games too instead of using their 40k and fantasy models

>>96017972
This looks like shit and not like Blood Knights. I bet this fag posted it on Reddit the second he was done.

>>96017956
>A red vampire riding the rotten re-animated corpse of a once noble dragon.
The political statement of how modern Russia and the soviet union killed the old Russian Empire while still trying to leech off its legacy and glory is clear if you are skilled in skewing literal nothings into propaganda for your own political gains.

>>96018734
Ngl anon my fantasy models or few 40k ones aren't really viable in battlefleet gothic. Cept some nid bits
As for using AoS in fantasy, former its scale creep - if it looks cartoonishly big compared to other models I don't think its worth it but generally no one really gives a fuck. My LGS games armiesnare a hodgepodge of 3d prints, recasts, old display shelf armies dusted off, and new. AoS stuff doesn't stick out usually too bad albeit some sizes again are really jarring on the table (sylvanith characters as a branchwraith, new vampires, Cities of shitmar characters).

Green knight charged my Infernal Guard Ironsworns flank yesterday. The Infernal Guard absolutely destroyed him lmao, safe to say the bret player was quite upset.

>>96018754
i doubt skirmish games suffer too much even if you are playing with 20mm square bases vs whatever 32mm round the new scale is, but i can kinda see how it can look little goofy when other side is 2-4 heads shorter by default

>>96018260
love that amber wizard

Assembling my battalion

>think of converting my SBGL skeletons I have to Vampire Counts since all the ones I have painted are the retro Fantasy kits
>my Wight King is plastic glued to the 32 mm base
Damn I really did just go and glue all my early models to their bases with plastic glue lmao. At least these guys are only 20 bucks and I can keep this guy as the test model he technically was.

>>96018886
you can cut the base apart, you know.

>>96018886
>>96018896
overnight soak in water to strip the gravel/whatever away and then nice clean cut to remove the model from the base

>>96018874
same. but I glue them on square bases.
have fun!

>>96018874
>round base
appropriate

Will someone have the matched play book scans tl download?

I think GW took "Rat Ogres" too literally

>>96013088
Oldchads... It's over

>>96018980
>skaven slaves
>aren't skaven

>>96018987
>Black Knights
>not black

>>96018986
They just updated their opinion, sorta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rmc5WJ-FQw

>>96018986
didnt bomb in my LGS. they cant even order more kits at the moment.

>>96018980
>>96019011
that basing is actually pretty nifty invention, imagine just gluing it down and washing then calling it ready
never thought about doing it like that

>>96019030
It's not really an apology they say it did "pretty good" at their store but they know GW put a cap on the Batallions they sent to each store and only sent 2 or 3, whereas you could order and get 60 Space Wolf boxes, and they complain about Old World sales slowing down at their store

>>96019043
It must be hard to try and backflip so many times without pulling a muscle

>>96018667
To shooting. Defensive runes now only apply to the crew, not the Anvil.

>>96018260
Finally did the decals on my Stank

>>96019161
good looking stonk even if i at first saw it as a warmaster model
where did you get those decals

Finished two games, will write up about it next threads. Undead are scary but oh my god, Armour of the Damned is THE SHIT

>>96019043
>2-3 boxes to each store
Lmao the cope is reaching levels only seen once in a blue moon

>>96019043
I hate GW's marine obsession, but they do sell retardedly well for some reason.

>>96019427
Space wolves either flopped or they massively overproduced them because at no point were they out of stock basically anywhere.

>>96019043
Did you read the comments and see what they had to say about the new AoS release?

>>96018257
they intimidate the hobbylets. dont show them a perfect grade or they might actually have a stroke

>>96019448
probably not, i normally never read youtube comments but in that case it was relevant to my interest because there was so little cathay stuff so i skimmed trough them and they were proved wrong right away

>>96019448
also if people were looking on some oldheads to dunk on AoS, these two are not them. they are in fact oldheads, but they are also both AoS stans, they've each got multiple armies and despite not particularly liking the new edition they both really enjoy the model ranges and game overall.

>>96019505
what does oldhead mean

>>96019521
zoomer term for someone who likes real warhammer

>>96013197
It's gotta be that one narrative campaign book they've been talking about since release right? I remember speaking with someone I know and apparently they've been working on some new Armies of Infamy; I remember Slayer Cult and some kind of Dogs of War esque thing (but not called Dogs of War), and then maybe Pleasure Cult and Black Orc AoIs but I can't remember if I'm making those last two up or not.

>>96019545
>narrative campaign book
would be great

>>96013197
No fuckin way they're doing Vampire Coast but also what the fuck else would a pirate hat be?

>>96019550
I swear I remember a post saying that once the Arcane Journals are out they're going to release a campaign book focused on the Border Princes so certainly DoW and Slayers would fit pretty well into that. But yeah I trust this guy and he 100% mentioned those two armies, specifically the Birdmen are coming back.

I wish they'd bring back those old "Allied army lists" from the earlier editions, stuff that you can run on its own, but is really more designed to be brought in as an allied contingent. Halflings, Fimir, generic demon and undead lists that you can bring in if you've got a wizard with daemonology/necromancy (respectively), etc.

a proper tilea release would be a dream come true

>>96019556
40k F reebootaz or Corsairs. AoS sky pirates. TOW Dark Elves or Sartosans as part of the Southlands expansion. Who knows

>>96019539
so basically a code word for them like how everyone clearly under 30 writes picrel instead of pic related
>>96019619
give us one small little finger and right away we will ask for ther full hand etc.

China will grow larger

>>96019773
I hope my flgs has some kits.

>>96019773
Fucking hell man that's beautiful detail on the armour.

Don’t think I’ll ever be able to bring myself to owning a 2000 point army desu anons.

>>96018470
Orcs are crazy OP for matched play. You can plant your 30 brick of Blorcks on the hill and just stack Victory points.
The wyvern warboss is the meanest chud for what that dude gets. For 350 points you get a tripple save, T6, S7, rerolls out the ass and giant charge range. Now that dragons are capped at 500 points he just crushed them or keeps them in check easily.

Frenzy changes also buffed Boar boys. With a bsb for the frenzy banner, big uns and banner of butchery you get 30 Strength 6 attacks on the charge with a frontage of 6 boys.

Infantry also got infinitely better which benefits the already good gobbos and orcs. Right now you want to run 750 points of core.

I don‘t want to sound too much like a fag but I one of the highest O&G and I can tell you that they won harder than every faction besides empire and Vamps.

>>96019189
I just used a mixture of the GW decals that come with Empire Cavalry boxes, Empire Infantry boxes and the standalone A4 Empire decal sheet that costs about 20 quid

>>96019773
very nice!
now do 29 more.

>>96019887
Reaching 2000 points is something that takes several years, anon. You don't need to rush! Set yourself smaller goals and milestones and you'll have a big fully painted army before you know it.

>Cathayan Sentinel instructions are actually as bad as the jewtubers said
I was hoping those were just rushed pre-release instruction books...

>>96019443
I don’t believe they flopped or over produced. My LGS got 15 of the army box and sold all of them and has an absurd amount of the individual kits coming in. I’d say GW gambled on Space Wolves selling well and it paid off in spades.

>>96019887
took me one year to paint my 2k Tomb Kings. its not that hard

>flgs has no Cathay
>go to other store
>no Cathay
>3rd store
>no Cathay
I CAN FEEL IT COMIMG IN THE AIR TONIGHT, OH LORD.

>>96020077
They're already back in stock at GW's online store:

>https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/the-old-world/grand-cathay

>https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/the-old-world/grand-cathay

Another crew member (almost) done.

>>96020077
i tried to call my flgs 2 weeks ago to book my friend one lantern but the number was not in use
apparently that thing costs like 100 euros so maybe it was better their landline was cut off

>>96020077
why didnt you pre-order?
I got every kit from my lgs.

>>96020138
I was asleep at the time, and I'm still not paying scalpers.
Surely someone's gonna dump their Shugengan on ebay at least

>>96020185
you shouldnt pay scalpers. but LGS usually sell under GW prices.

>>96019773
Please at least do more than just slap contrast over it. Even if you're brand new to painting, just some simple layering and cleaning up the missed and overlapping spots will make it look magnitudes better without taking that long.

>>96018429
Nah son, my list is

>HQ
Doombull - General
Bray shaman

>Core
10 hour
6 minotaur

>Rare
Ghorgon


Simple as

>>96020210
And here I thought my list felt sparse because it wasn't even 40 elves at 1k.

>>96020202
its just not worth it when compared to how long classical painting takes, and this looks nice and vibrant, I aint trying to win a painting competition,

>>96020202
>Please at least do
you know new painters are not encouraged to do stuff like that anymore
at some point they stopped putting color suggestions into the armybooks too because the ranges change so frequently, or thats my own idea why it hapened atleast

>>96019773
The correct standard of painting is always to the level that you, the painter, are satisfied with. That being said, I really think this looks like shit.

>>96020226
are you the one at my lgs with the dragon mage and 12 dragon princes 1k list?

>>96020269
No, my list has no dragons. It's handmaiden general, mage on foot, 15 sisters, 10 silverhelms, and 10 reavers with bow and spear.

>>96020202
Not Cathay anon, but they look solid for effort. Not everyone wants to spend 2 of 3x the time to make a B+/A- model turn into a A model. Besides its not like base>wash>base>highlight yields better results every time warhammer models models.

>>96020202
>>96020254
Im not even a new painter, here are some of my bretonnians for example, its just that the time it takes now to paint masses of infantry the classic way is more than Id care to commit to if I instead can get nice vibrant results with contrasts and speedpaints

>>96020202
>>96020259
post models

I strongly prefer to highlight manually but I genuinely think it looks worse than if I retardwash everything. My lowest effort models look best.

>>96020314
having the easy way out so available to us really takes the toll on everyone
nice knights anon

>>96020248
Spending an extra 20-25 minutes to make the model look substantially better with just a few smooth layers over the things like the cloth and leather is worth it. At least for me, but I personally find basecoating to be the least enjoyable part of painting, especially if it's a large army.
>>96020314
These look good
>>96020315
Here's some goblins

>>96020314
These look so much better than the Cathay model it looks like it's from a different painter. Or the same painter with years more experience.

Best character sheet for WFRP 2E? I'm perusing around and can't find a decent one.

>>96018572
>>96018582
Well I'll wait, but I still want that model

>>96020096
>paying full price at GW instead of a LGS or used
NGMI

>>96020314
how you get the grass to stick up like that and did you just glue the whole base and stack grass on it?

>>96019505
What? Neither of them have play AoS and haven’t for at least a year according to their own admission while they both said they will be starting new old world armies

This is already turning into a bigger pain in the ass than I imagined but I'll just keep telling myself it'll be worth it when it's all done and painted.

Managed to swipe a the Gate Masters box from my LGS after work. Annoyingly the Arcane Journal had sold. Since it seems to be a thread topic, they did seem to sell through most of their stock, though they only got 3 of each kit looking at the LGS’s social media. Interestingly enough, they got a huge stack of the Matched Play book and only one of them was left. Didn’t grab one though since actually playing a game is a distant dream currently.

>>96020646
The putty makes it look like they all have BIG BALLS haha

>>96020615
>>96019505
>>96019448
>2 shop owners working the marks for clicks flip flopping opinions and making clickbait
all you marks are getting worked into a shoot

What do I """need""'" to play TOW? Going to LGS right now to buy Cathay battalion and arcane journal at least.

Have played 40k and liked the core rule book for reading reasons

>>96020696
An army? That’s about it if you know the rules. Dice? Measuring tape? I don’t understand the question you don’t need anything special other than maybe templates but most people have that so don’t worry if you are new.

>>96020696
dice, painted models, a tape measure, your army book, the core rulebook, and a positive attitude

>>96020696
An opponent often helps

>>96020714
K have most of those from 40k gaming. Isn't ther also Ravening Bad Guy and Goodly Good guy books? Or are they're lore only?

>>96020735
The OP has links to both, I’d check out the PDF before buying them yourself, if you want to buy them.

>>96020586
literally just covered the base in glue and dunked it in army painter field grass, then blew away the excess, dont blow directly done, try from an angle so that it helps the grass blades stick up

>>96020735
They have army rules but not for cathay. The Arcane Journal has those. In it you will find the "army list", which will tell you the options and constraints of building a cathay list. Until you have the core rules book, I recommend this website for rules references.
https://tow.whfb.app/

nobody never has any love for armybuilder even if that software has carried most of us this far since 2000

>>96019773
>NMM weapon
>Contrast slop every other metallic
Ehh?

>>96020745
>>96020790
They ended up having nothing but what I reserved due to being sold out. That's okay though, I'll just build for now and think about the colors during that.

>>96019448
>As a business owner, my experience is...
>Umm but as a consumer fanboy I would think sales figures are like...
What a bunch of retards holy shit

>>96020586
Where else are people suppose to get them when their local LGS doesn't stock them?

>>96020586
>why aren't you buying models that just came out on the used market?

Gee anon, I wonder why

>>96019887
Do it in batches of 500 pts, I'm wokring on my Beastmen right now, the first 500 was long (42 models), but now I'm doing larger models, I can play small games, and everyhihng is painted.
The Stillman method works wonders
https://givemlead.blogspot.com/2014/09/a-quest-for-stillmania-raise-levy.html

Which army is for me if I got dat yuuuge shaboingboing n treat da gurls right n ting

>>96020878
I'd have spite-bought a bunch of WGA warring states to get my fix, but they hate me personally and won't release them.

>>96020911
Bretonnia

>>96020946
Accurate

>>96020946
>in 200 years Bretonnia goes from a more open egalitarian land into a sexist Monty Python skit
Miao Ying also gets much meaner and colder towards humans.

>>96020994
Actually, the Monty Python Skit is the real Bretonnia, the rest is a horrible rectification to please mordern audiance and Blackrock money

>>96020946
>>96020958
>>96020994
2010 at work i met this dude who found out i was interested in warhammer, i told him we should play sometime and asked him what army he plays
i still remember how disappointed he looked while looking away from me and replying "bretonnia"
we never played together, i hope he didnt sell his army

>>96021041
Why was he so self-loathing about his army choice?

>>96021041
Perhaps the fact taht it had an old army book which asn't updated in a couple of editions?

>>96021039
>Monty Python Skit
Cringe. The real kino lies somewhere between Monty Python Skit and total Medievalaboo idyllic romance where every knight is pure and just and able. Basically Bretonnia is (old) RuneScape.

>>96021070
>somewhere between
nah, it's either both extremes in a quantum superimposition or nothing, no middle compromise.

>>96021070
Oh, I don't play it full retard, but the nobles are palyed as being disconnected to the people in such ane xtreme it is humorous.
The Empire has that as well, just less

>>96021050
>>96021058
bretonnia did not get much love rulesvise for a really long time

I'm going to paint my Cathay like the Terracotta warriors
Spray and then drybrush and I'm done
I can't wait to game with them

Can one of you cathay purchasers do a model with black skin and upload some pictures for me to troll the chinese with?

>>96021203
Can't you do it yourself?

>>96021222
>implying i would give the CCP wing of GW money
no

>>96021226
Fuck off then.

With the changes I might try a WoC Tzeentch army. I have always loved Chaos Warriors and the MoT bonus to wizards in units is better now than before

>>96021152
It’s gonna look like shit and you’re gonna sell the models halfway through the project.

>>96021298
What do you gain with posts like this? Seriously.

Unless you are >>96021226, then
>>96021257

>>96021152
Show us when you got it sorted man.

>>96021203
>WFRP
>Random WarCom articles
>Literal AoS paint guides
Point to a Bretonnian or Empire model in the CRB, FoF or Arcane Journals that is painted with a dark skin tone.
Yes C7, and most of the WarCom team are pozzed and cringe, but none of those models or images are from any of the actual rule books for TOW.
The closest you get is that shitty version of Full Tilt no one plays.

>>96021391
There is a single warpriest of Sigmar in the AJ in the background painted black.

>>96021391
The Warrior Priest is from the Arcane Journal, page 23.

>>96021463
THIS is what you spergs have been shitting your diapers over???? lmfao

Steve is a retard, literally can't win games unless he's playing against his little no attempt to win gimp
>captcha: O(g)rynn

>>96021463
the west has fallen

>>96021463
It's never been more over

>>96021476
>>96021495
>>96021542
i dont get it

>>96021545
THEY PAINTED THE EBIN WARRIOR PRIEST OF SIGMAR THE WRONG COLOR
THE HOBBY IS FUCKING DEAD

I played an online game with Cathay. They were very silly. Opponent had a beastlord chariot and dragon ogres standing next to each other and I kept windblasting the chariot and hitting the dragon ogres with the cannon and it was funny.
They had a big block of primal warherd with a daemonology wizard that got double charged by the illusion shegengan and miao ying. Jade warriors auto broke a prayton.
They seem like they will be annoying in casual games but the meh core means they probably aren't the most competitive games.

>>96021612
ohh now i see it
>>96021616
i played 3 test games empire vs cathay and empire won 3/3

>>96021657
What were the lists like?

>>96021660
troop heavy, cavarly heavy and one herohammer on both sides
my friend had this idea that cathay is so overpowered he doesnt want to play against it so i sure showed him

>>96021694
>Purposely played a gimp list
Yeah you sure showed him

>>96021694
The lancers and warriors are not really what are good so that is not surprising. Warriors should handily beat state troops but lancers would typically lose to knights of any sort.

>>96021705
>>96021722
the point was youtube had poisoned his mind with all this waac and tier garbage that he didnt want to play at all anymore
now we can slowly start bringing the fun in again, some people are like that

>>96021744
And he fell for it? Damn, he's dumb

>>96021744
Introduce him to Stillmania

>>96021751
>>96021755
for real have you never met anyone who took this or any other game little too seriosuly

>>96021779
Only 40k. Actually, just about everyone I've met that plays 40k.
And they refuse to play anything but 40k.

>>96013032 (OP)
I have zero experience painting more decorative banners and decided to try my hand at a super simple design without any research.
I might start looking at resources now because it's unsurprisingly very difficult. Anyone got any good recommendations or resources?

Are TOW books not getting pdf releases anymore? I don't see either Cathay or Matched Play as anything other than softback.

>>96021612
This is how it starts. If the community accepts it we will have negro dwarfs like AoS soon

>>96021905
That’s a really nice first attempt

>>96021994
>>96021994
>>96021994
>>96021994
New

>>96019456

I tried building an MG Zeta Plus once. It took me a week and legs fall off whenever I try to transform it.

How the fuck did a 17 year old kid design this thing in a week. And a busy one involving both his parents getting brutally murdered in front of him week as well.

Hey guys, just got some 2nd Ed Bloodletter models, and its made me wanna start a Realms of Chaos inspired army.

Any tips on resources for painting in the Oldhammer style? Can't seem to find anything myself.

One thing I'm disapointed about with Cathay is there's no AoI to represent these scheming human lords with their own armies, hell there's no option to take a non-dragonblooded wizard.

>>96018257
>>96019456
Yeah but Gunpla (even the very old and cheap ones) are extremely well engineered and go together like a dream, even newer GW kits are often a nonsensical 3D jigsaw pile of shit