Thread 96018898

PT: >>96014613

Goblin shenanigans edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: Whats your favorite pet card(s)?

i forgot the title fuggg
forgive me, bros

>>96018902
delete and remake in shame.

>mulligan 3-5 times for a playable hand on moxfield goldfishing
>increase lands from 38 to 39
>2 out of 3 first hands now have 3 lands
machines are soulless

>TQ
Graveyard combos fear Mr. Piggy

>>96018902
Then delete it and make a new one, dipshit

>>96018956
>>96019002
im too lazy to do that, sorry..

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96018898 (OP)
>TQ
it's like playing an official 9/11 card, the lack of sensibility just makes it so hilarious

>>96019055
should post the card

>>96019059
It's the military industrial complex summed up in one card: Shoot a missile at someone and get paid handsomely for it

TQ: this card in basically any deck. It reads to me- pay 2, become the best thing on the field until end of turn

>>96019100
It's a weird thing cause sometimes the best thing isn't worth it for 2 mana for just one turn. But it does open up a few strats.

It's especially nice in Ratadrabik to generate tokens of himself though.

>>96019100
Yeah I also love this card
so goddamn flexible
>turn it into a nice creature on the board
>a dude tries to doom blade it
>turn it into a land in response
>watch him seethe

>>96019112
You do know it doesn't keep the ability, right?

Nice no title thread faggot op

Commander damage should be 40, not 21.
I say that as a guy with a Voltron deck that regularly plays against Oloro and Dina so I might be biased (non Voltron commanders aren't hitting 40) but I don't want my games to end out of nowhere.

>>96019118
Oh right, I was thinking of Crystalline Resonance, my bad

>>96019112
lol. fucking lmao. Way to out yourself

>>96019126
are you always such a faggot, anon-kun?

>>96019059
cards like this make edh players mad

>>96019134
>More Titanic shilling
This is worse than the zurgo fags

>>96019140
Literally you.

>>96019134
Why do you say that?

>>96019153
Disregard the sage, it was their for a retarded flat earth thread on /x/

>>96019140
in what capacity are titanic and zurgo shilled around here?

>>96019148
No that's not literally me

>>96019160
I was mostly joking
turn 1 exodia like above is bracket 2, which doesn't matter because you will have babies crying its "not correct for the spirit of the bracket system"
this and others are only examples of what can be done while following the actual rules and not the flavor rules

>>96019219
honestly me too senpai

I wanna build Artifacts in unusual colors. Give me your weirdest Artifact commanders. Minimum 2 colors maximum 3 colors.

>>96019220
You seem really unfun to play with.

>>96019247
Hm, green/white probably? green/white/black too. Has to be one of those two

>>96019247
rocco street chef is a weird artifact supplier that thrives by spamming cheap shit and enabling strategies that require a mass of artifacts

>>96019259
only a faggot would say this

>>96019276
This is why you have no friends and need to insist that everyone follows the clearly defined rules. You're too autistic to handle general ideas like "have fun" and "the people I'm playing with are my friends".

Goblin sex

>>96019220
I see no problem with this. Sometimes games are over quickly, and then you start a new one. Better than to rot away in a 2+ hour session because there is so much interaction flying around that nobody really gets to play anything.

A friend got this card for me as a gift since Princess Bride is my favorite movie of all time. Would he make a good commander deck leader? I've never played the format but I thought thematically he would be really cool to have front and center for the fight and kinda try to do a deck with health recovery and draw to sort of mirror how his last fight in the movie goes

I've come to terms that if I play this deck, I am 100% arch enemy.

The sheer degeneracy of casting this targeting every one of my opponents permanents is beyond fucked. Even though I will tempt with mayhem show and tell, exhume and use blue braids for free shit - it only ends up making me way ahead of the game.

Metamophose
1U
instant
Put target permanent an opponent controls on top of its owner's library. That opponent may put an artifact, creature, enchantment, or land card from his or her hand into play.

>>96019286
not him, but where did he said anything you just claimed? my friends constantly bring absolute bullshit to the table once in a while. It's just that everyone who does usually gets bored of it after a few games and plays other decks again. it's fun to see what kind of stuff is possible in the game.

>>96019112
>>96019125
No you weren't. You have simply been playing improperly anon

>>96019306
>aggressive
>lots of keywords
>Naya identity
Yeah he'd be perfectly fine, more power to you anon!

>>96019220
>actual rules
>but not the ones I dont like
So.... it cant?

>>96019290
I see no problem with this.

>>96019306
Super good the only reason I didnt build this card is the original art is an ugly nigger. Regret not getting this lair.

>>96019317
shut up nigga

>>96019306
I think you could do pretty well in a mid powered pod with this, green gives lots of draw, red is good for aggression and fighting, and white is a color in Magic the gathering

>>96019306
Knock yourself out
https://edhrec.com/commanders/samut-voice-of-dissent

>>96019286
hey bug chaser
"insist that everyone follows the clearly defined rules"
thats what you and the other babies are arguing for when you judge how someone builds their decks
I played this within the strict clearly defined rules
the ill defined rules like "too early" "optimized" and "meta" mean nothing if not defined with specifics
this >>96019134 "combo" is literally 8 cards plus commander
the same thing can be done with 5 mountains
so actually what is there to complain about?

>>96019327
what rules did I break judge? all I did was ramp in red. extra combats and 5 card combos are fine in bracket 2

>>96019306
>health recovery
the goal of lifegain is usually to have some payoffs for it. gaining life back is cute, but alone it will not be enough to help you win games. your commander has neither lifegain nor a payoff for it, so I would ignore that idea for now.
>cool to have front and center for the fight
he can be a powerful voltron commander, and he is in the right colors for running equipment, auras and/or support creatures that buff him, you should be good with that
>draw
no problem for any color combination, it's the backbone of every deck.

>>96019134
You run out of life before this wins the game tho

>>96019351
The entire half you have invalidated. Not sure why you're calling a judge this is casual commander, people will just opt not to play with you

>>96019351
>I played this within the strict clearly defined rules
>The easiest reference point is that the average current preconstructed deck is at a Core (Bracket 2) level.
Precons don't have win on turn 1 exodia hands. You done goofed..

>>96019360
If he goes equipment or auras, it'd be easy to tack on something like Loxodon Warhammer in case he wants to gain life. Same with Basilisk Collar and some other good ones. Not disagreeing about needing payoffs, but if he wants flavor then those slot in easily.

>>96019318
>>96019331
>>96019334
>>96019336
Sweet, I'm looking forward to trying this out. I've not played Magic in years, but the ff collab got me interested again and visiting my local store. Time for my man Inigo to go nuts in this new format, thanks fellas
>>96019360
Ah so a little splash of it is kind of pointless? Makes sense, though it's a bit of a shame since thematically things like near death experience would fit his character so well

>>96019390
The FFX precon has a win on turn 2-3 infinite with walking ballista and needs half as many cards to do it, you could probably make it turn 1 with some fast mana that also isn't illegal in that bracket

>>96019390
not an argument when multiple precons have infinite combos
all I did was ramp your honor

>$59.99
Rare moment when I'm envious these deals exclusive to US stores.
t. EUfag

>>96019370
Does he?
>lotus petal/simian spirit guide/mountain into desperate ritual
>desperate into seething song
>seething into treasonous ogre and rabbit battery
>pay 12 off ogre to play titanic
>pay 18, tap ogre and rabbit to play city on fire
>pay 3 to reconfigure rabbit
>swing with titanic, deal 24 flying trample commander damage and make 24 treasures, sac titanic
>use 6 treasures to recast titanic, 1 to reconfigure rabbit, 4 to cast seize the day
>repeat previous two steps
33 life then the treasure takes over, also hope nobody has gut shot.

>>96019275
>Instant speed artifact and enchantment boardwipe that creates creature tokens
Why didn't I know about this yet? It's amazing!

I love hitting the table equally for huge chunks of noncombat damage who should I build? Im playing Eshki right now and its close but not quite what im looking for

>>96019492
Purphoros

>>96019492
The new Kuja from FF, he's both a token generator and a damage doubler in the Command zone

>>96019492
Black waltz

what should i build next, learning my friends want to already start building high power decks makes me wanna finally build a praetor deck, ive also never played superfriends so carth seemed cool

>>96019100
"Oh nice sol ring you got there. Mind if I borrow it for the turn?"
This card is devilish and fun

>>96019583
Krrik is the strongest, Skullbriar is the most fun and Atraxa is the most flexible

>>96019410
>Official description of what a bracket 2 is isn't an argument
Such stupidity.
>Some have infinites
Which can not be done on turn 1 out of the box.
You are a dipshit and have lost.

>>96019583
>my friends want to play high power so i want to make a praetor deck
Unless i'm misunderstanding what you mean by a praetor deck, this does not compute.

why does EOE look like bracket 2 horizons

>>96019351
>mass replier
>retarded
every time

>tfw too stupid to pilot one of my decks
has this ever happened to you?

>>96019632
Anon that isn't an infinite on turn 1, nice that you ignored the FFX comment though

>>96019407
>Ah so a little splash of it is kind of pointless?
mostly, but what >>96019398 said, there are options to bring a bunch of equipment for him that gives him lifelink amongst other things. you just shouldn't count on lifegain for him, since balancing the focused support for him + lifegain + lifegain payoffs will be a massive headache.
>near death experience
definitely great flavor for him, but that card works best in black white colors, since black is the color that usually has access to "pay X life" cards, so you can reach 1 life before your upkeep. I don't think you can win games with that card in your colors without building the deck entirely around it.
for flavor, I would probably look for cards that bring him back from the graveyard (not a lot of good choices here), or make him indestructible (lots of good cards for that).

>>96019644
>Make a deck
>Play it a bunch
>Go to the lgs
>Play something, guy throws his hands up and says "anyone have removal for that, he's about to go infinite"
>Huh?"
>He explains a three card infinite in my deck that I didn't even realize existed
Closest I got to that.

>>96019634
idk ive seen someone i know playing a praetor deck and it was kind of insane, it was borderline cedh, ive just never had an excuse to build atraxa and i think shes cool and i also want an excuse to buy all the phyrexian language praetors, now that im not playing with randoms and with my actual friends i can happily build whatever
>>96019624
krrik was going to be a cedh and atraxa just bracket 4 i guess or some shit

>>96019492
purphoros if you want a consistent but boring deck that even in a casual version wins by default on t5-6, and kill enemies with goblins if everything fails
ojer axonil if you want to want to watch people kill themselves
here is a song about him I generated for my brother who hates the game but love playing him: https://files.catbox.moe/txir2k.mp3
norin if you just want to fill your deck with every single ETB effect you can find in mono red

>kept making jokes about having to deal with 3 sephiroths at a table
>friends finally finished there decks and we played last night
>actually 3 fucking sephiroths at the table

>>96018898 (OP)
>TQ
literally every single deck with blue

>>96019706
holy BASED

>>96019644
no, my decks are so badly constructed, playing them wrong will actually improve the chances of winning

>>96019706
>mystery booster 2 reprint
Fucking based, guess I have another auto include in all decks that run blue

>>96018898 (OP)
>TQ
Gush, my beloved.

>>96019696
just play norin in rocco and tutor for him its way better

>>96019649
Oh equipment to make him indestructible, fuck, I'm dumb, I didn't even think about that. That fits his flavor stupid good. Great call anon

>>96018898 (OP)
>tq

>>96019760
rocco tutor norin is fucking disgusting
>alright guys, I'm starting my turn with 20 cards in hand

>>96019290
True

>TQ
copying my opponents' game-winning triggered abilities never gets old

Final Fantasy is actually the best set since Bloomburrow. It's surprisingly awesome as a draft format and the cards are fun to play with. I didn't expect to like it because I'm not into Final Fantasy but I do

>I cast Spongebob
>Spongebob blocks your Shadow the Hedgehog, triggering Sephiroth

it's funny how little time it took for the silliest jokes about Universes Beyond to become reality

>>96019824
it'd be good without the bonus sheet bombs fucking everything up

>>96019797
>He didn't buy great or a token
Nice, but not as nice

>>96019849
What do you mean "great or a token"

>>96019846
Eh, I like the bonus sheet. It adds a bit of spice to the format and the craziest bombs don't show up much. There's a ton of removal in the format too

>>96019410
>multiple
But most dont! Making them not your average precon experience

>>96019860
I meant Kreat, but my phone autocorrected

>>96019824
As a ff fag I've been really enjoying all the flavor myself, things like secret rendezvous having alt art for every date option is just a cute touch

>>96019869
Oh I have Kreat too

>>96019879
Based

>>96019895
Any idea how he's doing? His shop isn't updating frequently anymore

Fifty (50) starting life is objectively superior to forty. (40)

>>96019916
I have no idea, probably just busy with life

>>96019797
That's not even a fuckin goblin at that point, that's just a green elf/pretty orc.

>>96019351
>the ill defined rules like "too early" "optimized" and "meta"
Those aren't rules.

>>96019614
Why the hell would you do that? What a waste of the card.

Sex with bugs.

>>96019334
Spot removal, anon. White is good for spot removal.

>>96019445
>proud sloppa paypig
kys

>>96019950
That's what goblins are

>>96019614
>spend 2 to get an artifact that taps for 2
Sure there are synergies you could get into but this seems a tad silly

>>96019452
Everyone is acting like this is some kind of insane tech that would get you kicked from tables.

If I died to this I’d just laugh and ask if I was Tower 1, Tower 2 or the Pentagon.

>>96019636
Is this your first time seeing a standard set?

>>96019649
>>96019762
White actually has a decent number of pay life cards and depending on how you build they wouldn't be out of place at all. Something like righteous aura would probably slot in quite well to a deck that'll be swinging lots

>>96020039
i think every deck ive ever made that has white runs path and swords no matter what

>>96019644
I made a deck headed by Reyhan, Last of the Abzan (the other partner doesn’t matter).

I figured it would be a fun big creatures deck that I could use to trample over people with the moving counters mechanic. I quickly learned that this deck was far more complicated than I ever expected it to be.

Now it’s a combo deck that requires doing actual math to play.

>>96019334
>>96020039
White is currently the best color in edh

>>96020071
>no 911 reference anywhere at all in the cards
>randomly bringing it up
People would think you're weird anon.

>>96019824
This is what's causing the biggest seethe of all among anti-UB fags. Little woke art, very mid power and balanced across the board BUT with a few busted cards to keep Pubstomp McTroon happy, support for neglected deck types, interesting and unobtrusive set mechanics, and it feels more magic than magic. It's just a solid set all around, especially compared to everything we've seen from Edge of Trooniities which looks to be a return right to our regularly scheduled dumpster fire of a game design.

>>96019644
i built najeela but i wasnt having fun playing it with the amount of etbs, triggers, tokens, counters i had to keep track of made me go fucking insane

is nekusar fun, i want to make a wheel deck

>>96020118
>I figured it would be a fun big creatures deck
every time I think that about a deck, it turns out to be a a creature artillery/cannon

>>96019916
>paying money for proxies
Stupid and poor coombrains.

>>96020171
There's two types of Nekusar decks: Wheel decks where everyone knows exactly what you're going to do and will kill him on sight, or nonwheel decks were you just let people have extra cards and he's allowed to stick around and everyone has fun. Choose your fate

>>96020052
They are explicitly supposed to be short stacked. This is racist against the goblicunny community. Midna fuckers seethe in your presence.

>>96020152
there's literally nothing wrong with the card you posted

>>96020182
I would argue for him otherwise but yeah, that shit doesn't even have a hologram stamped onto it. Literally anybody in this thread could make that themselves for far cheaper than whatever they're being sold for.

>>96020207
Premium b8, Troon.

>>96019824
>draft
Was awful, you must be relatively new if you think otherwise.
>cards are fun
This is one of the most generic sets in recent history.

Youre a larping FF fag

>>96018898 (OP)
>TQ
nice bit of protection and it's cute

>>96020190
i like being arch enemy, i end up on a lot of decks where i usually 1v3 or my commander gets shot the moment it hits the board
kaalia and yuriko are 2 of my favorite commanders

>>96020215
>costs as much as Crucible and Exploration combined (since it does both)
>is significantly mid in terms of landfall payoff
>creature so it's extremely easy to remove
ok

>>96020152
>very mid power and balanced across the board except when its not teehee
Its a low powered set with boring mechanics.
>feels more magic than magic
>color pie breaks notwithstanding of course!
Objectively not and no one who says this can be taken seriously. It feels like final fantasy, cause thats what it is, which is nothing like magic.

>>96020222
Wheels it is. Skyscribing is a good game ender if you enjoy making infinite mana

>want to make a treasure deck
>hate most treasure commanders
>want to make it low powered

>>96020258
What about making your treasures punch people in the face?

>>96020233
>which is nothing like magic
Are you able to explain what magic is?

>>96020224
The mechanics are not what people are complaining about.

>>96019644
I had a Tayam combo deck. I played one game and dismantled it after, way too much shit to keep track of

>>96020215
Based tranny expert.

>>96020290
I dont need to (nor do you need it explained if you can make the claim you did wrong or not) in this context because an entirely different IP is decidedly not it. It doesn't look like magic, nor does it feel like it because again, its trying to look and feel like something entirely different.

>>96020290
trannys in cars is magic retard

>>96020291
Then there's nothing wrong with the bug.

>>96020305
>>96020306
You could have just said no instead of looking like a bigger bitch than everyone thought. Keep pretending Arabian Nights is MTG if it makes you feel better.

>>96020265
Is he any good? what kind of things do you do with him?

>>96020130
I am very weird, but how do you not see the obvious joke here?

He’s flying a “boat” into people and sacrificing it each time to kill everyone in one turn. My friends would be all over that shit, and we’d all think it was hilarious.

>Retard kills my commander instead of spellslinger player's Storm-Kiln Artist
>The very obvious thing happens next turn
>"This is why I don't like Izzet. They just combo off and win out of nowhere!"
I hate people like this so fucking much.

luv me insects, simple as

>>96020313
>Is he any good?
As good as you make him
>what kind of things do you do with him?
Are you.. actually fucking serious???

>>96020325
yes

>>96020308
Except the bug part.

>>96020331
You make a ton of treasures. Then you read the fucking card

>>96020312
I have no clue what you're talking about. Either you dont know what magic is and your claim that X is more magic than magic is baselsss as a result, or you do, and your question is pointless as a result. Please feel free how something trying to emulate an entirely unique IP feels like magic.

>>96020321
People who remove commanders are almost always retarded. There are obviously times where its a good move but the vast majority of times you are killing something with recursion stapled onto it.

>>96020345
The recursion costs two mana. You do it enough times it's very easy to bully someone's commander out of the game.

>>96020341
>your claim that X is more magic than magic
I never said that.
>Please feel free how something trying to emulate an entirely unique IP feels like magic.
After you. Pic related released before you were born and is equally magic as all the universes beyond garbage.

>>96020355
And it will cost you cards and mana every single time.
It's a stupid decision

>>96020341
>I have no clue what Arabian Nights is
>you don't know magic
kek

>>96020348
>>96020339
listen i have aspergers im trying to pbe nice and just ask for help are there any cool synergies i mean

>>96020378
Aspergers doesn't mean you're illiterate. Now read the goddamned card

>>96020357
You did say that. Your exact words >>96020152
>feels more magic than magic
We're done here lol
>>96020376
Thats not what that is replying to anon. You're either samefagging or two equally dishonest people

>>96020368
It's not stupid if it keeps you from winning which it usually does Mr. King.

>>96020355
Yes it does cost good for you anon. It's still a waste of your removal a good 80% of the time. Youre bad at the game if you disagree sorry to say I know it feels bad

>>96020389
Removal is a resource, knowing how to use it wisely is a key part of the game.

>>96020394
Cool you can repeat things better players have told you. Sadly you missed out on what using it wisely means. Take the scenario that started this
>commander vs storm kiln
>both very clearly central to the game plan
>one can be recurred, no matter what
>the other given the colors cannot
A wise player doesn't remove the commander. Heck, id sooner remove a llanowar elves than a commander most the time.

>>96020399
You are simply bad at the game if you don't understand how integral the commander is to most decks.

>>96020386
If you can't tell anons apart why are you even trying to talk?

My deck? Why yes that would be Johan hatebears + stax

>>96020453
Is that just literally Darth Maul?

>>96020459
hownew.ru

>>96020399
>destroys the mana dork
>takes lethal commander damage next turn

Everything in context, anon. No need to be so dogmatic. Commander death can be a perfectly reasonable play in the right circumstance.

>>96020465
Been playing for 15 years, don't care. I'm asking if that guy is literally a Darth Maul reference because it was probably printed exactly when people would have thought that's cool, just like the two major gods of the Elder Scrolls universe literally being Padme and Anakin because the devs thought it would be cool.

>>96020472
No! You should NEVER kill a commander EVER because it can always be recast because it's SO EASY to simply ramp every turn you need to ramp on. Don't even fucking BOARD WIPE a commander either, if you play anything but Single Combat you are just OBJECTIVELY SHIT AT THE GAME.

>>96020488
This but unironically

>put together my janky dwarf boros equip deck for this guy
>have to cute 15 cards
>obvious choice is shitty dwarves but that defeats the point
Ah fuck

>>96020472
Yes you will notice i said
>sooner
As in more likely, as in context is implied. And my initial statement is that generally the commander is not the best option not always. Thank you for agreeing with me :)

You should never play removal. You should instead run a deck that's 100% gas and try to crybully anyone that does run removal into not removing your threats.

>>96020493
Post deck list, maybe we can help

>>96019824
Dragonstorm and Duskmourn are both better sets from a game design perspective than Bloomburrow (and FF, for that matter).

>>96020488
WHY WOULD YOU EVER KILL A COMMANDER THEY WILL JUST COME BACK LATER BUT THE MIND STONE WILL BE A PIVOTAL PIECE ON TURN 9 REEEEEEEEEEE

>>96020453
>>96020459
>want to go check out Gatherer to see all the obvious Darth Maul references that should have existed back then
>find out they removed all comments from Gatherer
>now we can literally never relive how people thought this card was so cool and epic for being literally Darth Maul in Magic
>all those memories and innocent moments in Magic's life simply lost to the wind

>>96020500
I’ll put this in terms you understand.

I will remove the commander because a rich Jewish man told me to.

>>96020502
>>96020493
https://archidekt.com/decks/14300756/dwarf_boros

Granted I did just slap all the tryhard swords and equips in

>>96020501
And then you lose to any board wipe player.

>>96020501
>crybully
What did he mean by this

>>96020539
That thing trans people do all the time to get what they want.

>>96019636
Bro theres only like 20 spoilers out so far, chill

>>96020548
That didn't refute his point.

>>96020521
everything not saved will be lost

>>96020544
>tranny expert

>>96020527
Sword of body and mind is a pretty quick cut right off the bat. You have enough other ways to make chump blockers and mill just for the sake of mill just seems a waste, codsworth could also probably be cut, he's good, but he's not a dwarf and you already have several other free equip cards and I don't think his dork ability will be that impactful

>>96020529
Telling someone to not play a boardwipe falls under crybullying.

>>96020571
Board wipes are not removal though?

>>96020505
Dragonstorm was actual trash, an all-time worst limited format.
Not only were clans not a thing with the only viable decks being 5 color goodslop and boros, but outside of boros the format had the same problem as THB with ridiculous unanswerable mega-bombs in a format too slow to punish them.

>>96020566
It's a fair comparison. How does politics work at your table? Do you not gaslight others into thinking other players are more threatening than you are when you're about to win?

>>96020521
"No one is truly gone..."

>>96020459
>>96020521
Other way around anons. Darth maul is Johan

>>96020553
He has no point, at least not yet. There is literally 100s of cards still not revealed yet

>>96018898 (OP)
This T1 is always great, especially when I'm playing with people who haven't seen it before

>>96020313
if you get a bunch of treasure tokens you get an army of 3/3 creatures you can use for whatever shenanigans

>>96020718
The other less obvious trick is that since they'll get vigilance from Mr. Goldwaker, you can swing them in combat and sac them for mana if they get blocked or destroyed.

>>96020580
>5c pile in draft
>Meanwhile Mark ran his mouth about how he killed all the dragonlords offscreen because he it didn't occur to them how their color identity could fit in draft

>>96019583
wait a minute..

>>96020871
What's hexproof, do you mean ward 2?

Rules question
Player A has pic related and Syr Konrad on the field. He and I are under the impression that there is no unique interaction. A creature dies, Konrad triggers, the creature goes to the bottom of the library.
Player B is saying that Konrad wouldn't trigger because the creature doesn't go to the graveyard so it doesn't technically die. Its death is replaced by going to the bottom of the library.
Player C is saying that the creature actually does technically go to the graveyard for a second and then goes to the bottom so Konrad would actually trigger twice. Once for the death and once for leaving the yard.

Who is right?

>>96020871
>Not a real card
Who cares?

>>96020891
Player C

It could be a real card...

>>96020871
>alchemy
lol

>>96020891
It does go the graveyard. If it didn't, the card would use the keyword "instead" like Rest in Peace do.

>>96020891
C, it isn't a replacement effect, the creatures still dies and then is put into the deck.

>>96020891
Is this a c-c-c-combo?

Multicolor backgrounds when tho?

>>96020906
Alchemy designs like that one piss me off, they're totally paper friendly cards but stuck in a digital nightmare for no good reason. This guy's much more interesting to me than any of the new Mardu leaders in Tarkir but I can't play him.

>>96021079
Why would you ever look at these cards though? I just don't and I'm way happier for it

>>96019059
absolutely based.

>>96019706
Holy…. I’ve been looking for nice commander cards to drop when I think board state is advantageous

>>96021142
its actually best to drop t1 or t2 and watch no one do literally anything for 8 turns straight

>>96019306
These cards have some of the most beautiful fucking art ever put on an MTG card

>>96018898 (OP)
>TQ: Whats your favorite pet card(s)?
Best episode.

>>96020583
>It's a fair comparison
No, it isn't.

>TFW like playing controlly decks that slow the game down and grind out for their win
help. This is illegal

>>96021197
I play no less than 15 stax pieces in all of my decks

>>96021206
blood moon best moon

>>96021206
I just run a lot of wipes, counters, and shit like rule of law. People groan when I cyclonic rift because it isn't followed by an instant win to end the game. Just sets everyone else back several turns while I grind my wincon out.

>>96020988
One background of each color pair? Probably never.

>>96021079
This guy easily could've said "whenever you draw your second card each turn" and it would've rocked but no he's stuck in fucking alchemy slop

>>96020662
Wrong. Clearly evil Aang is Darth Maul is Johan.
>>96020607

>>96020846
Rip boobas.

>>96021146
My thought is it get a nice stompy pile on board then have it as a backup for the inevitable board wipe

Print me you niggers

>>96021197
>mfw I kept telling my friend to run more removal because he had the lowest winrate, so he vastly improved his decks, runs removal engines/loops and actually wins games
I sometimes wonder if god is afraid of us

Thought?

>>96020386
>can't tell what anons are anons based on how they type but still accuses others of samefaggotry
>has no counter arguments to anything just fires out cringe neckbeardisms like "we're done here"

You genuinely contribute nothing to these threads except retardation. Why are you even here?

>>96021340
white token deck auto include

>>96021335
Yeah, now THAT is some good shit that needs to be printed already. White needs this so fucking bad.

>>96021340
I’d put it in a proliferate deck and draw cards all day until it was destroyed

>>96021340
Row row fyaight the powah.

>>96020224
>more redundancy for land fall
>easy slot into graveyard decks
>does the job of numerous other cards freeing up deck space
>dodges bolts
>4 mana in green which means it's basically a turn 2-3 card

Right nothing wrong with these power creep at all, everyone will always have creature removal on hand and this guy will never come back to the field in a graveyard focused deck, nope.

>>96021370
Oh no, it's gonna work in *Zask*
How will we survive?

>>96021253
Maaaaan but it'd be cooooool.

>>96021370
>using removal in Commander
Heh.

>get an early xenagos out
>drop Ojer Kaslem on t4
>no protection in hand
>swing with Kaslem, reveal top 12 cards
>put down Ghalta
>opponent wants to remove Kaslem
>ask him if he wants to eat 24 trample damage next turn
>targets Ghalta instead
I see, so that's how Gruul protection works

>>96021370
I'm Zask's Strongest Soldier and will be throwing the new bug in his deck but it's really not going to make that much of a difference to his strength.

>>96021393
There is nothing like a t3 Xenagod bro if feels so good

>>96020501
Just had a 3 hour game that ended due to the store closing

>everyone playing modded precons but one
>get a little ahead
>aggro magnet, all three players spamming removal and coordinating to remove everything
>keep recurring my sagas
>they keep removing them
>have a valefor enter at least 15 times, literally
>just keep doing board wipes and removal since I can never attack
>its turn 20 and everyone is above 30
>’DUDE STOP CASTING THAT CREATURE’
>’it’s a 4 chapter saga, stop killing it and I’ll stop casting it’
>do maybe 5 damage the game

We were rained in anyway due to flash flood, always happy to return the favor when losers cooperate like that.

>>96021393
Based xenagos enjoyer

>had a bunch of bad hands and mulligan'd down to an unplayable state
>friends say they will shuffle and I will get a freebie
>split deck, let them shuffle both halves
>both split their halves and trade to shuffle some more
>shuffle both together
>friend cuts
>draw 20 lands in a row

>>96021265
I genuinely despise the concept of alchemy. It should've been an open beta test thing for potential future cards and people would've loved it. But nah, just siphon what little creativity they have left into a literal dead end format

>>96021488
>valefor
It's not even that good. Tell them to stop sucking at threat assessment

>>96021176
it absolutely is. every time you argue that genital mutilation for the mentally ill should not be paid for with taxpayer money, trannies WILL threaten immediate suicide.

>Commander league
>Game 1
>Double struck to death
>Game 2
>Infinite damage to death
>Game 3
>INFINITE DINOSAURS TO DEATH
>FROM A DOCTOR WHO DECK???

>>96021571
Okay.

>>96021393
As a 10yr+ Xenagod player, this card has been so damned fun

>>96021488
I've posted this several times already but whatever
>play Will
>won a game with Approach Second Sun ONCE
>my friend now targets me and Will
>has lost multiple games now because he dumps all his removal/countering on me to the point where its comical
>turn 3 I play Will, he immediately Swords it
>entire table is like are you serious?
>we're playing 3v3 teams and I'm sitting next to a mono red Clive player
>next turn he tries to destroy both of my mana rocks
>other teammate deflecting swats it, blowing up both his artifacts and his team mates
I'm tempted to just fill Will with counter spells at this point or just sit there and do nothing for 5 turns

>>96020904
>>96020913
>>96020922
Awesome, thank you. Player A will be excited to hear that.

>>96021311
>>96021436
Never forget

>>96021664
They were never that big

>>96021683
You're right. They were bigger.

She looks like a hooker

>>96021716
She is a hooker

>>96021716
Orzhov is religious prostitution

I demand they unban my favorite card

>>96021735
Same.

>>96021735
this card is perfectly fair just play high noon

>>96021735
Same

>>96021735
Same

I will just scoop if you remove my commander

>>96021807
>Play a faggot try hard commander
>Scoop if they are interacted with
Checks out, little bitch

>>96018898 (OP)
Title your fucking threads so you get filtered like the garbage you are.

https://archidekt.com/decks/14304302/golden_hoard

Made this a little while ago, what do you guys think? Intent is to be fairly aggressive and just hit people with Dragons or Burn people with stuff like Dragon Tempest. I sorta floundered on good red draw (I don't play mono-red)

>>96021819
I payed to play this card
if you don't understand how it isn't fun when someone can't play their card you might be autistic

>>96021830
I paid for my swords that I used on it. We are in the same boat.

>>96018898 (OP)
>TQ
Song of the Dryads and was very pleased when it got a reprint in the 2023 Masters set so I could get extra copies for $5 dollarydoos instead of $30. Aussie and NZ prices are mostly fucked for us.

>>96021823
>mono red dragons
Based
>treasures
Cringe

I want a copy of Korvold Fae Cursed King so bad. I don't care if it makes me the arch enemy.

>>96021830
You did play it. You had to play it for it to be removed.

>>96021864
Here, this is formatted for 8.5x11

>>96021823
>bracket 2 themeslop
>a bunch of MLD/stax
This will never win a game

>i only care about winning
>it's easier for me to win if i can shut down one person's commander
>contrary to popular belief, decks don't actually run 30+ enchantment removal cards so there's a good chance this might not get removed for several turns

>>96021823
>mono red dragons
>rakdos dragons
>temur dragons
>mono red treasure dragons
Can you make up your mind??

>>96021807
You are dropping 9 mana for a 10/10 flier in a format where you can't take more than 2 hits from that without losing instantly. If you have a haste enabler (oh man how hard is that in literally all colors) you're also freecasting a permanent from your hand and drawing a card, and that's if it's the only fucking dragon you have.

I will bounce it, destroy it, exile it, turn it into a bug, I will literally do anything in my power to keep that from sticking because there's virtually no way you get to it without having a boardstate that's swinging for lethal.

I unironically accept your concession.

>>96021835
>>96021869
its called bad manners, heard of it?

>>96021900
>Playing the game is bad manners
Cope Timmy.

>>96021823
You should build Lathliss instead, she's the best Dragon commander in Red.

>>96021823
Do you ever build good decks or is this just a cry for help?

>>96021899
>>96021907
this is why no one plays with you people

exactly the try hard mindset of the average lgs

I can't play because you guess

and you even think its my fault

I will just scoop if you remove my commander

>>96021926
>why don't you let me do the thing™ coomander is about doing the thing™!
>"the thing" is killing you with broken made for commander dragon that has an ability without you even having to cast it

>>96021926
>Plays an eminence commander
You're more of a tryhard right off that bat.
And you're a whiny bitch because people just wont let you win.
Pathetic.

>>96021823
Treasures are better done in 2-3 colors (Gruul or Jund), and Dragons are better in Gruul and Temur. Mono-Red is a meme color and is unplayable in edh.

>>96021509
I just fucking hate digital card games. They're so trash and unfun universally.
>conjure
>seek
>spell book
these are keywords devised by satanic forces to keep commander card design down

>>96021926
I don't think it's your fault, anon. I know its your fault. What the fuck are you doing dropping 9 mana on a card that isn't going to win you the game?

>>96021956
>Mono-Red is unplayable
Tell that to fucking Slicer and Magda, retard.

>>96021965
>meme decks
No I dont think I will

>>96021926
This guy is very obviously trolling. No one ever casts ur dragon

>>96021956
Mono red is super good though

>>96021957
Seek really should have been Browse and Browse just should have been a consolidation of all the stupid effects that say "reveal cards off the top of your library until then cast or play it. then put all cards not chosen on the bottom of your library in a random order."
>Browse for a dragon
>Browse for a nonland card
>Browse for an instant or sorcery
>Browse for a card with mana value equal to or less than the amount of damage dealt
etc

>>96021956
>Mono-Red is a meme color and is unplayable in edh.
Tell us you don't play the game without telling us you don't play the game.

>>96021948
>>96021950
>>96021965
you literally have no reason to remove him without a good reason

and you think that I have a win just because I played it is the definition of bm

if you disregard play state because its that one you maybe you lost to once, then yes you are try hard and probably a little salty at this one thing but every game is different and the posters in this thread prove im right how you all are dog piling. nobody goes to the lgs anymore cause you people are toxic exactly like this

>>96021978
>>96021984
Wow it's so cool being a contrarian

>>96021988
>you literally have no reason to remove him without a good reason
The reason is commander tax is crippling.

>>96021988
why would you ever play ur dragon when its doing its job in the command zone

>>96022006
Monored is literally the most popular color of monocolor decks on EDHREC

>>96021988
>Attack with a single dragon
>Get something put out for free and draw
>No reason
Brain damage or troll, call it.

Reminder: Trying to win the game is rude.
We're here to play a 3 hour long dogshit boardgame.

>>96022015
>hurr guys my color that cant even draw cards is popular
Retarded or trolling. Call it.

NIGGER

My pod is doing an "any monocolor commander + background" thing this month. Give me some suggestions.

I don't want it to be strong, I just want it to be fun, but I'm also very unimaginative and new to the game so I don't know many monocolour commanders and would have to go through like thousands if I looked on scryfall.

>>96022026
>cant even draw cards
Oh okay so you're gonna act like a retard for guaranteed (You)s and then act like EVERYONE else is trolling. Gotcha.

Im coming back to MTG after a long hiatus, and I want to get into pauper. From the meta decks pic seemed like the most fun one.
Any tips for a returnee?

>>96022048
>Any tips for a returnee?
Yeah, leave again.

>>96022034
So like, you could play two colors due to backgrounds or it has to be mono color?
Play boros Gut if former

>>96022034
do this guy with Master Chef

Somebody wanna send me their extra black staples? I can't stop making decks with black in them.

>>96022044
>worst card draw in the game
>worst ramp in the game
>by far the least quality play patterns
>like 3 game changers

>>96022034
Norin+Candlekeep sage

>>96022034
Krenko folk hero and you can show them how retarded this idea is. Alternatively Endrek Sahr and Iron Throne Agent to guarantee a Blood Artist effect.

>>96022067
That's what the guy who suggested the format is running, wew

>>96022006
>be objectively wrong
>get pissy when people call you out
Never change, anon.

>my decks get ignored
>tripfag gets a dozen replies
Ok

>>96022086
What deck?

>>96022064
I'll trade you for blue staples

>>96022088
Fuck you faggot

>>96022086
are you dwarf boros guy? you got some replies
>er uh oh I didn't post my decks this time but it always happens!!!!
be less envious of others, retard

>>96022086
I don't hang out in here all day nigger. Link the post and I'll look at it you turbo babby.

>>96022086
>everyone is on 4chan 24/7 and sees every post
Why not just link it and ask for whatever you needed instead

>>96022065
>LOOK HOW RETARDED I CAN BE!!! PLEASE CORRECT ME!!!
Sad!

>>96022034
Play a theft deck since backgrounds say "Commander creatures you own" so you can steal their commander and still get the benefit from their background.
Also play auras to turn their creatures into lands and artifacts and shit so that they lose both their commander ability and their background ability.

>>96018898 (OP)
>TQ: Whats your favorite pet card(s)?
I'm literally known as the "living death" guy at my LGS

>>96022119
magic would never be able to tell a story like this anymore FACT

>>96022130
I'd rather wait for someone else to board wipe and then one sided living death

>>96022148
me on the middle

>>96022148
Can someone make an edit of this so it's wojaks and pepes swapping masks? Thanks in advance.

>>96022119
>wings cut off
>still has flying

>>96021859
Would you also say Lathliss is better? Or should I just go back to Rakdos and build an aggressive Kolaghan deck? (The one with the anthem)
>>96021880
Lmao
>>96021913
Is Lathliss that much better for straight aggro? I assume the tokens are good obviously and I love her
>>96021956
>mono red is a meme
I dont really see that, but I did consider Ognis for treasures in Jund or Jolene but I'm pretty undecided. If my Rakdos slot stays open I can probably build Kuja.

it's time to stop

>>96022209
>Kolaghan
That's actually based and not faggotry

>>96022034
I have this idea that sounds great in my head

Why is this card so cheap still? Do people just don't KNOW?
I want you to image the most powerful lands and land effects in the entire mtg game and then read what the card does.

>>96022246
And then she gets removed and you exiled your best lands

>>96022250
if you said this about every creature, why would you bother playing.
stop being a contrarian.

>>96022244
Raised by Giants is a cool card that ultimately is just never all that useful. If all you want to do is buff up a creature, equipment and enchantments or even counters are usually a better bet. Even running Raised by Giants in the 99 of a partner pair to double dip on the effect is pretty meh.

>>96022256
Retarded. Other creatures don't exile your best lands.

>>96022246
too many hoops to jump through for a just ok effect and then if it dies you just lose your gaias cradle permanently on top of that
still an ok card though just not really broken or anything

>>96022246
If you have lands in your grave, you probably don't want to exile them. You're probably playing something that will just play them from grave.

>>96022265
im going to counter you with logic here.
exile 3 lands. you can choose any three.
lets say your graveyard has 4 basics in it and 3 very good lands.
you could, in theory, exile 2 basics and 1 very good land.
guess what? now your entire board taps for 2 mana and has the effect of the very good land.
you're saying thats not worth it because >removal spell

>>96022123
All of this is wrong

>>96022265
ok ill play this instead. guess we can sit here longer. ;)

>>96022265
wait, armaggedon was a mistake. let me fix that.

>>96022275
>backgrounds say "Commander creatures you own"
This is true.
>you can steal their commander and still get the benefit from their background
I'm pretty sure this is true.
>turn their creatures into lands and artifacts and shit so that they lose both their commander ability and their background ability
This is true.

>>96022284
Own is not control.

>>96022274
...anon.... basics tap to do their effects. This means that they're only doing one of those things, they arent tapping for 2 lmao

>>96022228
Gonna see what I can do with that

>>96022305
I know. You own your commander, I control them.

>>96022305
Reading comprehension isn't one of your strengths, is it?

>>96022262
I wanted to but it in ukkima + cazur but worldooze is probably better overall

>>96022034
Not a creature when it isn't crewed, so you'd never have to sacrifice a creature on your upkeep.

>>96022344
you fuckin wot

>>96021956
>Mono-Red is a meme color and is unplayable in edh
lol
lmao

>>96021716
She's Italian

Sliver, but why is it silver?

>>96022376
You'd be surprised how many cards shit out metallic slivers.

>>96022376
Another fine addition to the collection

Oh yeah. Since I will never let anything go, to the retard a couple weeks ago saying
>"terra" doesn't have to mean Earth and can just mean land!!!! calling something terrasymbiotic doesn't mean a symbiosis with the earth!!!!
Read the flavor text on this one, bitch boy.
Confirmed, retard WotC card designers think "terraforming" means to change a planet, rather than to make a planet Earth-like

>>96022344
wtf..... genius?

>>96022401
making up a prefix for it would be even worse here, their top choices are "eumidforming" and "euforming"

Which commander?

>>96022312
Kolaghan benefits from straight aggro so turn creatures sideways for the maximum results. Maskwood Nexus, Black Market Connections, Lathliss, and Utvara Hellkite to get as many dragons as you can on board.

>>96022424
Falcon, the others are shit for what you're doing.

>>96022401
Not can just mean land. It does just mean land, as i thoroughly proved. I dont know why you think wotc is an authority on what Latin means lol

>>96022415
It would be way more interesting to say these things have a home planet and they're making other planets like their home planet.
I would also mean not misusing a word that'll piss off sci-fi nerds in your fucking sci-fi set.
>>96022448
>b-b-b-but it CAN mean land!!!!!
Clear as fucking day, the designers don't know that terraforming means to make something Earth-like, and they have misused "terra" in "terrasymbiosis" as a result.
This isn't reddit, you didn't even have to out yourself as the retard who got it wrong, you can just say nothing and accept your L

>>96022471
But I didnt get anything wrong. Terra means land. As I proved many times, and as is logically proved by the fact that we knew about the land before we knew about the planet so obviously if they share a word it was the word for land first.

I hope we get an ALIEN secret lair with EoE

>>96022471
It would be way more confusing for a casual onlooker

>>96022471
>>96022401
I had the same problem when I wanted to describe a racist alien species and anthropocentric was an incorrect term.

>>96022500
"xenocentric"?
even "xenopocentric?" (this is made up, 'po' a root)

>>96022483
I wish I could say it's been fun talking to you anon. Pic related.
>>96022490
>oh no made up terms in my made up world game!!!
>>96022500
The most frustrating thing about linguistics in fantasy settings is realizing our languages are incredibly specific to us, and unless you intend to write an entire book in conlang, you have to make concessions.

To be clear though, this is not such a case. Terra means Earth, especially in a space setting. Terraforming means to make Earth-like. All they had to do was come up with a fictional name for a planet and use that instead of terra

>>96022534
It helps to frame it for the mouth breathers if you relate Terra to the other terms of it's kind like Luna and Sol.

How many creatures should you have in a deck with a vehicle commander?
I put together a list, got my lands and ramp all in order, got my interaction pieces, some draw, some synergy pieces, and... what the fuck I only have 18 creatures and not all of those are going to be able to even crew the thing.

I guess cutting the synergy pieces, especially the expensive ones, is probably the first step. But man.

>>96022545
Yeah gave that exact example the last time we had this argument, that it would be as stupid as saying "lunaforming" or "saturnforming"
He doesn't care. He has that PirateSoftware mindset of being confidently wrong, and when proven wrong just looks for some way to be "technically correct"

He will just go on and on about how terra means land too, even though it's explained to him that the only "land" the Romans ever knew was Earth and that's why the word for the planet and the word for its surface are the fucking same.

In any case though, it genuinely annoys me that Wizards will make a sci-fi set and immediately demonstrate that they don't know anything about sci-fi.
I know the answer is "cos money" but it makes me question why even make a sci-fi set to begin with.

>>96022558
>How many creatures should you have in a deck with a vehicle commander?
As many as you need.

>>96022558
Depends entirely on colors, access to pilot tokens, and how much crew you need

>>96022565
>why even make a sci-fi set to begin with
Because they have no talent and they substitute inventiveness with novelty and subversion.

My golbez deck that was supposed to be here Thursday showed up today :)

>>96022585
Post list

>>96022558
As a general rule, statistically speaking, you want at least 11 creatures to natively draw one by turn 2, 9 by turn 5 and 6 by turn 8.

>>96022591
Yeah but he's specifically asking about crewing his commander, so power is a factor, as is recovery

>>96022565
>technically correct
Do you mean "correct"?

>>96022588
no bully
https://archidekt.com/decks/14048916/golbez_artifacts

>>96022605
>No chains
shiggydiggy

WOTC should let me design commanders from now on.

>>96020355
You physically can not convince me this is a larger threat than Storm-Kiln Artist.

>>96022621
he cute and OG pilled

>>96022595
Same statistics apply. He needs 11 creatures or methods that can crew his commander if he wants to reliably see one by turn 2.

I've been brainstorming my own vehicle commander and I like the idea of mana rock and lands that can turn themselves into creatures temporarily, as this can allow them to dodge removal on my opponents turns.

>>96022605
Pretty based
>>96022443
I dont really like Maskwood, but it would let me run more non-dragons. I'll consider a slot for it. Any other suggestions?

>>96022610
Jokes on you I don't even know what you mean by that

>>96022009
Soon Gavin will reduce commander tax to 1

>>96022605
>no chains

>>96021899
This is exactly why I mostly play commanders that just further enable a playstyle I'm already doing within the deck. When I play a larger, combat focused commander I know I have to go HARD into making sure it sticks, and of course I don't complain about removal. That's the whole point of it.

>>96022678
You're playing commander wrong, you are supposed to let me play my commander and just lose

>>96022601
No. I don't.

"Technically correct" is what people say when they are wrong but won't admit to being completely wrong.
Saying anything is ever "technically" something is a massive redflag of a layman who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Happens all the time in law. A layman will say a criminal "got off on a technicality", and then you ask them what the technicality was and they just describe due process and the rules of evidence. They are cognitively aware that someone can be found guilty in a court of law and someone can be guilty of having done something in a non-legal context. They are not familiar with the rules involved with finding someone guilty in a court of law, so when someone they socially know to be guilty of something is not found guilty in law due to some deficiency of evidence or some abuse of prosecution, the layman will call it a "technicality" while lawyers will call it "being not-guilty".

In this context:
>new card says terrasymbiotic
>terra, especially in a space context means Earth
>there is no Earth in Edge of Eternities, and these aliens are not in a symbiotic relationship with Earth
>clearly someone WotC saw the word "terraforming" and understood it to mean "making a planet habitable" rather than what it actually means: "making a planet Earth-like"
>"BUT IN LATIN TERRA CAN JUST MEAN LAND!!!!!!"
>yes, but only because the only land Romans ever knew was the land on Earth. Terra is also Earth's name, and in the context of space and terraforming it is clear that "terra" is not being used correctly in "terrasymbiotic"- WotC even mistakenly use "terraforming" in the flavortext of the card.
>"BUT IF YOU IGNORE ALL CONTEXT I CAN BE TECHNICALLY CORRECT!!!!!"

He is correct that terra CAN mean land, he is not correct that WotC knew this and intended it that way when it is so blatantly a misunderstanding of what terraforming means. He will call this "technically correct" when he means that he is wrong.

Will we ever get a WBG ("abzan") vehicles commander?

>>96022742
For a decade or more old meme? I was going to say no, but then I remembered this is WotC we're talking about. Strike while the iron is frigid cold from the heat-death of the universe itself is their motto

>>96022742
Thought everyone hated vehicles

>>96022752
Wizards doesn't

>>96022749
That's how I know a Game of Thrones set is incoming

>>96022763
WB is pretty desperate to milk it now, too. I don't think you're wrong.

>>96022752
People can only hate so much, with the rate of terrible things to hate coming out of WotC they run out of hate for the older stuff

>>96022752
I like them, but wotc needs to turn up the dial on their power level. There are a handful of decent ones but they are a critically underserved card type for the most part.

>>96022752
I specifically love this one

>>96022621
>breathe near it to go infinite
Your opponent was right

>>96022752
Pic is one of my favorite decks

>>96022780
this + chocobo + surveil lands

>>96022752
Aesthetically they're super dumb and don't fit Magic, but we have racecar sets where funny little mice knights drive around in cyberpunk motorcycles to fight analog horror monsters, so whatever.

>>96022806
>Giant robots that destroy cities
>This fits magic
>Putting someone into that robot
>TOTALLY SETTING BREAKING AND IMMERSION DESTROYING!

>>96022809
No one would call a construct or a golem a robot unless they wanted there to be no distinction.

>wand shoots lazer beam
>this fits magic
>gun shoots lazer beam
>TOTALLY SETTING BREAKING
Because they're not the same. If you were to try and rephrase that you'd mischaracterize it as "long piece of metal or wood" instead of wand.

>Thing I like: good
>Thing I don't like: not good

>>96022819
Why would I like something that isn't good?

>>96022817
A big magical robot being driven by someone doesn't break the setting, you just have terminal autism.

>>96022824
idk man I like survivors as a creature type and they objectively suck

>>96022826
>A big magical robot being driven by someone doesn't break the setting,
It do tho.
Taking mecha and just calling it "MAGICAL mecha" doesn't solve the problem.
There should be no robots in Magic. No cars or Sony Walkmans either.

>>96022830
>good means strategically effective
Not this one again.

I want a giant gundam mecha piloted by goblins.

>>96022837
Okay go play a game where that exists instead of porting it into this game

>>96022830
ripbros??? our response

>>96022844
Nah, I can't just tap krenko then have his dudes jump into a reaver titan and you can just seethe

>>96022844
it pretty much already exists in mtg though

>>96022783
Do you have a one-card line or are you a retard that sees "Lotus" and thinks it has to be good?

>>96022817
Anon, literally piloted (magitech) robots have been part of Magic since Invasion, back in the year 2000.

>>96022899
>look at this obscure example from before Magic had a strongly defined identity!
We can play this game with color philosophy too, anon. You won't like it.

>>96022903
so when do you consider it to have had a strongly defined identity if not 2000 or earlier?

>>96022903
>that doesn’t count because, uh, it just doesn't ok!
You lost.

>>96022911
Around 2003
>>96022912
No I told you exactly why and you didn’t like it.

>>96022903
>Urza's titans
>obscure
???

>>96022899
>>96022925
If you compare that to this and say there's no meaningful difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Vehicles were suppose to be part of magic for a long time and I'm happy we don't get them in the form of weird artifacts that can't be crewed to fight anymore.

>>96022787
Hi Olivia

>>96022941
Okay. The problem is that the vehicles we're getting now look like this. This is why people aren't a huge fan of vehicles right now. To say nothing of the literal spaceships in the upcoming space wars set.
People aren't ideologically opposed to the very concept of transportation, it's the implementation of it. The Weatherlight was a key part of Magic's story for several Dominaria blocks back when Magic gave a shit about having a story. It's incomparable.

>>96022939
nta but yes there is a difference
I also just don't really care. I'm glad they're going sci-fi. Just like I was glad they went cyberpunk with Neon Dynasty.
There was only so long they could keep coming up with variations of medieval fantasy and while I think that should be the majority of in universe sets occasionally doing sci-fi or cyberpunk or death race is good imo

>>96022952
You really think everything up to neon dynasty was just medieval fantasy?

Also unrelated, but do you think guns are still too much for Magic or nah?

>>96019797
based

>>96022951
Yes Aetherdrift has bad art, this is not unique to the vehicles in the set. It is known. People don't like vehicles because they're weak and you get your shit pushed in for trying to play them no matter what the art on the cards looks like. It certainly doesn't help all the Aetherdrift ones look like shit but the truth nuke is it's not even a very strong vehicle set despite them being the main theme. The problem most people have with them is powerlevel.

>>96022958
I'm not really into the lore or worlds so I'm gonna say probably not everything but most of it that I can think of yeah.
And no I have no problem with guns. One of the first cards I ever owned was actually a gun. I found it on the playground when I was 8.

>>96022939
>flat chandra
cant tit fuck that, dropped.

>>96023006
they made her so hideous for aetherdrift

>>96023006
Can't titfuck cardboard anyway anon

>>96022658
>reduce commander tax to 1
This was how me and my group initially thought it was played. Playing 6 mana commanders nowadays really makes me miss that ignorance.

>>96023044
>Playing 6 mana commanders nowadays really makes me miss that ignorance.
Nth day asking WotC to reprint Jeweled Lotus with the restriction that it can only be used to cast 5+ CMC commanders

>>96023012
You can get the art printed on a boobie mousepad though.

>>96023067
No man, no I would never want the ability for everyone's commander to get out that fast and early in the game. No I just kind of miss the genuine lack of a reason to ever kill a commander outside of surviving a single deadly attack. It changes how people interpret the board.

>>96023113
>No man, no I would never want the ability for everyone's commander to get out that fast and early in the game
The fuck are you talking about? It wouldn’t be everyone’s commander, just those playing 5+CMC, helping them come down on the same curve as everyone else the roughly 1 in 10 times they actually open with or draw into the card letting them deduct 3 from their Commander cost
>I just kind of miss the genuine lack of a reason to ever kill a commander outside of surviving a single deadly attack
I have no idea what world you even live in.
Literally like a day ago there was an argument in this thread about the benefits of blowing up a Commander the same rotation it comes down.
Commanders do so much that they’re often the lynchpin of a deck, and adding just 2 to its cost in Commander tax massively sets someone back because decks are all designed to be playing on curve

>>96023155
>just those playing 5+CMC, helping them come down on the same curve as everyone else
Then play a 3cmc commander. 5cmc shit is stronger and should take an extra turn or two to come down.

>>96023155
>It wouldn’t be everyone’s commander, just those playing 5+CMC
So pretty much every deck that isn't already a 1-3 drop commander? That's "pretty much" everyone. 4 drops wouldn't get a bonus I guess but you're missing the point of how stupid allowing multiple black lotus to be legal would even be. I DON'T want a fast game like that, goddamn Yugioh tier.

>>96023160
Lmao holy shit. Do you just not play the game at all or something? Did you seriously come into a thread for a game you don’t play to see if you could bluff your way through conversation? What the fuck.
The whole format has revolved around 3 and 4 cmc commanders for over a decade, to the point where commanders in that range have become horrendously bloated with effects and protection. Meanwhile 5+ cmc hasn’t gotten any better at all because realistically they’re too slow to play if you don’t have green.
Without green 5+ cmc commanders are unplayable, their effects AREN’T strong enough to justify running, that’s the entire point. They get popped twice and suddenly it’s 9 mana to cast them, 1 more than the cost of cards WotC considers to be finishers.

>>96023160
>5cmc shit is stronger
retarded newfag

Cool Kid W
Legendary Creature - Human Dude
When this enters or attacks, each opponent may draw a card. If they do, draw a card for each opponent who drew a card this way.
1/4

>>96023216
she's still correct tho

Will people continue to blow their money on new sets? You can see them now pay ridiculous amounts for their FF decks and for every other new Secret Lair. And there is still new sets coming out all the time. Can this really go on? Are we headed for some big crash?

The Assblaster 3000 (5CMC)
Legendary Artifact

The Assblaster 3000 is considered a legal target of any source, except equip abilities
If The Assblaster 3000 gets targeted, choose an opponent at random. Select the chosen opponent or a creature they control. They are the new target.
Any effects from a source targeting The Assblaster 3000 applies and is transferred to the next target.

>>96021197
this is fine and fun as long as your turns don't take 15 minutes each

>>96021197
If they bitch, tell them every second of bitching is a second not advancing the game.

>>96018898 (OP)
Oh hey, that's a fitting thread theme. A while ago I posted an Ib deck and got some good ideas from the thread, so I got to work on it a bit and I'm probably at least proxying it to try it out. To that end, I made a bunch of goblin tokens for when you're a coomer but you want plausible deniability.
Also fuck gookmoot for removing pdf uploading.

>>96023379
https://files.catbox.moe/c3dvvu.pdf
Ahhhhh

>>96023329
First time?

>>96023379
>>96023381
hey, that's actually really neat

Why are there no good Abzan, Sultai, Grixis, or Temur Artifact commanders?

>>96023472
>abzan
completely out of their "identity"
>sultai
see abzan
>grixis
space not that explored but there technically is mishra and davros, to lesser extend Kenway, but neither might fall under your definition of good
>temur
green makes them too stupid so you have only the kaladesh pajeets fiddling with energy or that gremlin who does... something i guess

>>96023472
Coming out next week

>>96023329
The bull market doesn't end until people like you stop posting because of how wrong your called shots have been. Probably another few months, minimum. There was some jerkoff on twitter saying spider-man was going to cause the crash because "FF is wayyyyyy bigger than spider-man as a franchise"

>>96023485
>sultai artifacts are completely out of their ID
>color triad has blue in it
nigga what

>Villain character
>UBR
Wow I've never seen that before how inventive

>>96023488
What would be the non-UB equivalent of this guy? Some Ethereum technomancer from Alara?

>>96023337
Almost everything is actually fine if you're not a fucking retard and play quickly. I'm 99% LGS randos deliberately slowplay to get back at you when things don't go their way

>>96022401
Imagine being this philosophically retarded

>jaheira
>king macar
>sword of the paruns
>peregrin took
heh nothin personnell.... just going to do an easily disruptable 15+ mana 4 card combo to wipe your board

>>96023488
>5 mana
NGMI

>>96023521
could be worse

>>96020357
they fucking un-lepered him in the MTGO version

don't speak to me if you're not playing in bracket 2.

are there any funny commanders/decks built around having a mana cost of 2 or less?
do you just need like 50% of your deck being card draw for that to work past early game?
i see some white cards mention mana costs below 3 and I get so tempted...

>>96023329
The people who go into debt buying FF are different enough to the people who will go into debt to buy Spoodermin that this really can go on.
That's the whole point of Universes Beyond: to cycle through different patches of the consoomer base, instead of catering to the limited number of Magic players (who are captured anyway).

The new audience for UB-Magic looks like pic related. Each circle is a fandom and Wizards will cycle through it chasing the eternal Bull.
Notice how even if the central circle is removed it doesn't matter all that much as a ratio of the larger image. That's where (You) live. That's why Magic is "not for (You)". That's why UB was always going to win.

>>96023489
I'm not super knowledgeable about these things, but isn't Spider-Man an absolutely enormous franchise in popularity even today?

>>96023695
Your circle shows that magic was for me and will be again before it is no longer for me again. Trust the process. Trust the cycle. Time is a flattened circle.

>>96023631
>using jotc terminology

>>96023631
I just play for fun!

>>96023688
I've tried something along the lines of what you're describing and i've learned the hard way that the answer is not to have a deluge of card draw, it's to have your commander turn these cheap spells into disproportionate amounts of value.
Examples;
>Xyris and combat tricks
>Vrenn and multi-removal

>>96023631
Brackets are for playing with strangers, and i don't know why you would subject yourself to that.

Migrate whenever:
>>96024205
>>96024205
>>96024205
>>96024205

>>96020152
I hate that you are 100% correct