Previous: >>96024205

Pretending to believe shit just to start arguments isn't nearly as funny as you think it is edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: How has Universes Beyond impacted the landscape of your LGS?

I'll go first. Lot of UB sloppas that only play UB decks, and some who even only play UB prints of cards. I don't think this shit bodes well for the future of the game honestly. What will they do when the UB slop isn't to their taste?

>>96029146 (OP)
>TQ: How has Universes Beyond impacted the landscape of your LGS?
lots of new casual players, it's great. Everyone else has carried on like normal

PRINT IT YOU COWARDS

>>96029146 (OP)
>tq

It hasn't. Also pic related to your larp story

>>96029175
Do we need to bring up the archive to look at the hundreds of times you've posted that image when it's not relevant just because you like it?

>TQ
Lots of people have 1 or 2 UB decks, I'm probably the only person who mains one right now with Golbez. Golbez will probably take a back seat once I have Rakdos Dragons just because it will be lower power and more friendly.

>>96029184
We can extend the saying of "Assertations without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" to also "Anecdotes without sense can be dismissed as nonsense".

By the way
>Lot of UB sloppas that only play UB decks
is a funny way of saying "people play precons at my LGS".

>>96029206
>>Lot of UB sloppas that only play UB decks
>is a funny way of saying "people play precons at my LGS".
Nah Secret Lair drops are UB too.
Acting real smug for someone so stupid.

>>96029146 (OP)
>TQ
Someone at my FF prerelease thought we were playing commander and tried to put Kefka in the CZ at the start of the round

>>96029217
Lmao painful

I recently started including a package of goblins in all of my decks. Matron, Cratermaker, Treasure Nabber, Shusher, Engineer, Murdurous Redcap, Chirurgeon, Settler and more. They're not the always the best options but they're reliable. Just about the only thing goblins can't help against is enchantments. But there are a few changelings that can and, being technically goblins, Matron can tutor them. Whenever building a deck you should always ask the question, "what can goblins do for my deck?" You'd be surprised what a small goblin package can offer a deck.

i just remembered plane chase exists

>>96029251
you'd be pretty familiar with how to maximize the use of a small package, huh?

>>96029146 (OP)
Lady put the berries down please

>>96029217
My sealed pool has a Command Beacon and an Akroma's Will, what do you mean I can't have a commander?

>>96029146 (OP)
I haven't been to my LGS in years.

I just pulled up old deck out of storage. Vintage 2013.
>pic related
Is this still relevant?

>>96029266
They should make a standard legal mechanic that turns a creature card into a Commander.

>>96029251
>I recently started including a package of goblins in all of my decks.
We get it anon, you want to fuck kids and think painting them green makes it okay

>>96029272

>>96029279

>>96029207
The trick is anon that I don't have to be smart to feel superior to you. I could be clinically retarded and probably still have no difficulty keeping up with your idiocy.

Tell me were you proposing that these players were all purchasing copious amounts of direct order product and playing it at your local store? And this is intrinsically bad for the health of the game? Of course I don't believe that for a minute, given how much easier it would be for them to just buy commander decks at their LGS.

But humor us, explain how bad this is for the game.

>>96029272
Ridiculous pubstomp deck in 2013.
Total dogshit today though.

>>96029279
you okay, guy? who looks at shortstacks and thinks of kids?

>>96029295
>say something objectively wrong
>just double down on it
Spectacular

>>96029303
I'm sorry I don't think that addresses the topic at hand. Were you confused by the question? It was, in fact a question even if you didn't see a question mark.

>>96029283
>>96029301
You pedos think it's the funniest shit in the world that you can be open about your pedophilia online and no one can hurt you for it. It's a really unique facet of your illness.

>>96029308
i think you're just chronically ill and associate sexual stuff with kids, it's creepy

>>96029307
You don't have to be embarrassed, this isn't reddit no one knows who you are nor can they tie your mistakes to you personally

This is an AI free thread.

>>96029301
when trannies see actual women they have to call you a pedo

>pulled the regular vivi
>want the borderless foil
Pain

>>96029314
This is a pedo free thread

>.

>>96027348 #
That's why I'm not using the mutants from fallout lol

Anyone else building Space mom?

>>96029329
Yeah.

>>96029337
>do thing draw
Boring design.

>>96029337
Haven't finished it yet but I'm working on a deck with her. I like decks that can use pic related effectively.

>>96029348
Post 3 interesting commanders

>>96029348
There's a name for that

>>96029367
>whenever x do y
yes that's bracket 2 gaming
>inb4 AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE DIABOLIC TUTOR

>>96029367
Silence schizo

>>96029367
>>96029348
>triggered abilities bad
>drawing cards in card game bad
you guys are so fucking pathetic. i also love nothing ever drawing cards, especially repeatably so every single deck has to run the exact same draw suite for their colors instead of being allowed to run more thematic or interesting cards.

>>96029359
>he plays at all

>>96029301
>that gif
That is how I imagine the new warp mechanic working

>>96029367
>Anon reads 'whenever' on a card
>He seethes
lmao

>>96029367
>Triggered abilities are bad design
I'm so tired of having this conversation

>>96029378
>>drawing cards in card game bad
I didn't say bad, I said boring. And it is. Dothingdraw is boring generic slop.

>>96029391
>>96029378
>I started playing the game after the brawl decks were released

>>96029397
>I didn't say bad, I said boring
draw by definition is more random than getting the same card you need every time so you don't even know what you're talking about
>see /edhg/, this is the kind of schizo we get when we entertain people crying that 4 mana tutors "go against the spirit" of edh

>>96029398
What commanders do you like?

>>96029398
>i'm retarded
ok
>>96029397
>drawing cards
>boring
show me your decks where not a single thing lets you draw.

>The One Ring
>tap thing
>draw card
god i'm so tired of slop

>in my draw step, put my hand to my deck
>draw a card
FUCK I HATE FUCKING SLOP

I think infinite "I win" combos are really lame and boring.

>>96029398
>I'm a strawManning retard
I'm older than you and I've been playing the game longer than you

>>96029207
It never ceases to amuse me that there are players who genuinely care about what the pictures on a playing card game owned by a corporation that just wants to sell overpriced cardboard to nerds who are bad with their money look like.

>>96029405
I didn't say good either, I said boring. I'm not making a statement of how good or bad it is, only that it is boring. And it is, dothingdraw is boring generic slop.

>>96029413
Card draw in the 99 =/= dothingdraw commander.

>>96029437
>still hasn't named a single commander he likes

>>96029437

>>96029437
once again you don't know what you're talking about.
drawing is random and random by definition can never be boring because you never know what you're going to get

>>96029440
Not relevant to this discussion.

>>96029440
why would he answer though?
he can't have /edhg/ laugh at him out of the board you know lol

>n-not relevant
kwab

>>96029455
/Tg/'s hideous laughter

What decks annoy you the most? For me it's all the Timmy's first eminence deck. Ur Dragon and Edgar Markov are the most boring decks I can possibly think of

>can't name a single commander card he believes is good design

>do thing draw
>tribal
>still based af

Pic related is funny and all, but more importantly it confirms that spaceships can have more than one station threshold, which is interesting design space

>>96029367
>Queza
Fine, very under powered, not having Nekusar in this collage exposes how much of a hypocritical brainlet whoever made it is.
>Aesi
Boring, to the point I rarely see anyone play it. Not a problem
>Matoya
Scrying and Surveil commanders is interesting design space. Boring design but not strong at all. Not a problem.
>Jori
See Aesi
>Tatoya
>See Jori
>Elas
Fine aristocrats commander. The fuck was the collage creator even trying to get at at this point. These are just a bunch of commanders the creator personally disliked and his brainlet takes seep through.
>Malzrek
See Elas
>Rem
Literally nothing wrong with it, collage creator is now promoted from brainlet to full out retard. Can't believe they wasted their time making this.
>Kresh
See Elas.
>Tevat
Dragons are gay and overpowered but who cares. This is just FIRE design not designslop.
>Felothar
See Elas, but power creep isn't good even if its necessary at this point.
>Tannuk
The only card on the entire list that can be considered slop. Even a stopped clock principal. Anon is still a retard.

>>96029406
My preference is for open-ended "goodstuff" commanders that don't generate overwhelming card advantage or have so many auto-includes that they build themselves. I don't like anything that doesn't play the game if the commander never sticks and I don't like anything that cannot lose the game if it does.
Marchesa is a fun one I always like to see, Tasigur, Sen Triplets, most commanders you used to see a lot of. Someone posted a Teneb list up the thread and that cycle was always nice.
>>96029413
>>96029429
Struck a nerve.

>>96029481
can you imagine stationing 20 fucking power onto this thing and somebody just shatters it

>>96029447
Incorrect. Dothingdraw commanders have repetitive, and boring, play patterns and deck building experiences.

>>96029483
>My preference is for open-ended "goodstuff" commanders that don't generate overwhelming card advantage or have so many auto-includes that they build themselves
>Sen Triplets

>>96029483
>My preference is for open-ended "goodstuff" commanders
aka I play the gayest decks possible and hide behind my weak commander

unban upheaval

>>96029495
you breathing air is repetitive and boring lmao

>>96029184
>totally different file name
Classic poopdickschizo post

Gimme your best LGS stories of Autistic virgins crashing out

>>96029301
Its called trollin and it's an art

>>96029146 (OP)
More like slam pig edition

I have the words "slop", "trannie" and "woke" filtered because 90% of the time they're only used in meaningless shitposts, and in the recent couple of weeks like 60% of /edh/ is getting filtered for me. What the fuck are you retards doing? These three words are literally my only filters

>>96029483
>i hate whenever x do y
>what i like are goodstuff value slop instead
>like tasigur, a cedh commander
>fuck how can you tell that i like tymna thrasios too?

>>96029497
Sen Triplets generate less value if you untap with them than most do-thing draw cards commanders despite costing 5 mana and being ridiculously fragile.
What cards are autoincludes in Sen Triplets?
>>96029501
>>96029526
CardsIlike.dec is the gayest deck possible. You should be playing 99 cards that do the thing and are in every other deck with the same commander.

>>96029488
Of course I can imagine it, he's me

>>96029483
>Struck a nerve
No I'm just calling you out for being a disingenuous retard

>>96029516
>>96029535
>What cards are autoincludes in Sen Triplets?
Thoracle is an auto include for any deck playing BU.

>>96029535
"whenever x do y" design has restrictions, is slow, incremental, and telegraphed - exactly what wotc wants in bracket 2, aka casual
meanwhile you wanting everything to be goodstuff without any deckbuilding restrictions only leads to cedh gaming and you unwittingly gimping your deck over some deluded idea that you're still "casual" is hilarious

>>96029514
i went to a locals people said was good but it was a hyper lgbt shop that ran "casual tournaments"
during round 2 i played against some tranny and when he tried to rhystic turn 2 and i countered it he just stopped in his tracks and his friends who were at the table started bitching at me for bullying him and i was going out of my way to target him, he then walked away from the table an went into the bathroom for like 10 minutes and his friends followed, i sat at the table really confused until the owner came over and said the game is a draw, i was really confused but i didnt give a shit anymore, as i was packing my stuff up one of the regulars told me about that group i played against and they always try to get their main tranny friend to win every game by throwing or playing 1v3 against the person not in the group and apparently they are super close with the owner so he lets them do it
this was one of my first experiences playing magic and im very happy i dont have to deal with this shit anymore

>>96029483
>My preference is for open-ended "goodstuff" commanders that don't generate overwhelming card advantage or have so many auto-includes that they build themselves.
How horrifying
And you dare to mock anyone else's choices kek

i pick my commander based on how cool looking or hot they are and if they use black mana

>>96029547
Fuck that I would call the owner a bitch for letting that group try to rig games

>>96029561
fuck rigging children's card games, i'd call the owner a bitch for enabling that kind of mental illness in the first place

>>96029560
cool

>>96029300
Yeah it crushed multiplayer games back in the day. Whittled everyone down to nothing. What can I do to make it relevant today? Still being a war of attrition deck.

>>96029560
insanely based and same. All my decks are hot bitches and Hazezon, who’s not too bad looking anyway

>>96029561
i questioned the owner and they said if i didnt like it i can choose not to play, so i left, the first round was like the only normal people i saw all night, but from what i understood the entire scene at that shop was a big clique of trannies
ive heard recently from some people that its the same shit even now, if not worse, and i guess the owner finally trooned out a couple months ago

now im teaching my friends how to play since final fantasy released, so now my friends make me drink while i teach and we play til like 4am
i love magic now

>>96029483
>Waaah do thing draw card
>My preference is for open-ended "goodstuff" commanders
Bruh

>>96029578
i dont care if there insanely broken value engines or random bullshit that doesnt do anything
yuriko was my first deck i ever built with pure ninjas

>>96029560
This but the criteria are red mana and the goblin creature tag.

>>96029495
>repetitive, and boring, play patterns and deck building experiences.
>likes tasigur

>>96029581
Hey at least it turned out ok in the end

>>96029547
I would have called that tranny a fucking faggot and the owner of the LGS a woke pussy for allowing that shit. Deadass.

>>96029591
I also have her and I built her pure ninjas

>>96029571
Basically nothing, it's a goodstuff pile but all your goodstuff is now badstuff and Teneb is just quaint. Maybe build Thalia+Gitrog goodstuff with some post-fire cards.

>>96029495
Wrong, wrong, wrong

>i think that dothingdraw commanders are boring
>OH YEAH! WHATS YOUR FAVORITE COMMANDER!!?
>answers and gets dogpiled
And that's why you never acknowledge that question in the middle of a debate. When faced with an argument whose merit they cannot refute, the defending party will often seek to attack the other person as a way to discredit them rather than the argument itself.
Let this be a lesson to you. Do not fall for obvious bait.

>>96029602
she eventually became my cedh deck at my old locals when i started making friends there, i didnt know anything about magic when i started building her, i just thought she was super fucking cool along with wandering emperor
i might put her back together to play against my friends, but now everyone wants to build really strong stuff
i also like vampires and my pure vampire tribal amalia is my favorite deck ive ever made
i still wanna build groom edgar/bride olivia as paired commanders

>>96029571
>What can I do to make it relevant today?
downgrade and only include cards up to (((the last set before wotc jumped the shark in your opinion))) and call it old school bracket 1 teneb

>>96029610
You act like asking someone what they like is absurd.

>>96029591
Always wanted to build a pure ninja deck with her but I feel like I’d be paying to become public enemy number one at every table based on her reputation alone, even if the deck is a janky shit pile

>>96029603
I looked those cards up and they look like total jank

>>96029610
now tell us where exactly did that awful bracket 2 design philosophy hurt you bejitabro

>>96029616
Well that would be Zendikar IMO. Eldrazi were a big fucking mistake.

>>96029595
I never said I liked Tasigur. You keep trying to put words in my mouth. I've have only said that dothingdraw is boring. It's not a statement on a Commanders competitive viability or card draw as a mechanic or anything else, only that dothingdraw as a Commander is boring generic card design.

>>96029606
>>96029589
>>96029595
>can predict at least 30 of your nonlands after seeing your commander
I hecking love deckbuilding
>>96029610
I don't care, format is trash now because of retards like them and they're too stupid to see it. They genuinely feel like geniuses when they put whatever new "do the thing" doubling card wizards prints into their do the thing draw a card edhrec slop pile.

>>96029621
I can confirm. Even if your playing a 5 dollar yuriko with only ninjas and random jank you are still archenemy and everyone will kill you first

>equipment is bad eugh its boring and gay and-
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH MY 16/16 DOUBLE STRIKE TRAMPLER IS GONNA CUT YOUR HEAD OFF DIE RETARD DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>96029643
you do know we can also predict at least 30 of the nonlands of your goodstuff deck right?
would be weird to be so anal about having a goodstuff commander and then suddenly not run goodstuff cards to go along with it
what, you run chaff like... pull from eternity? lmao

>>96029610
Your delusional if you think that
>i think that dothingdraw commanders are boring
Is an argument with merit that cannot be refuted kek

>>96029651
I fucking love 1 shotting people with big commander and rogues passage

Post objectively interesting and nuanced commanders. I'll start.

Is there anything more disheartening than trying to explain threat assessment to people that either don’t want to learn it or are genuinely too stupid to understand it?

>>96029600
Oh, a side sorry is during round 1 one of the guys I played against was like hyper obsessed with game knights and used all game knights branded shit from their kick starters and when I made some treasure tokens he got upset that I didn't use his game knights tokens and he kept trying to do like play by plays and describe the turns

>>96029658

>>96029641
>What commanders do you like?
>Marchesa is a fun one I always like to see, Tasigur, Sen Triplets
????

>>96029655
>cannot refute the argument
>ad hominem
Done.

>>96029662
This thread is more disheartening

I want to build skullbriar next

>do thing good
>do thing + draw bad

>>96029678
No, sorry you don't get to "no you" your way out of this. The entire thread refuted his "argument" and he's been ad hom this whole time. Additionally nothing about my post is ad hom because I attacked your argument directly. It's YOU that can't refute anything at all

>>96029621
>>96029650
commanders like kinnan and yuriko are impossible to build jankily because their effects are too strong for doing something so basic as "run this certain card type"
>purphoros 1.0 and aesi fit this bill btw and logically should be GCs too

>Shield counter does not actually function like a shield counter
Who writes this shit?

>draw good
>do thing bad

>>96029678
beijitabro, you still haven't answered me...

>>96029684
Really? I prefer commanders like kinnan because they are an open ended good stuff commander that doesn't generate overwhelming card advantage or build itself

>>96029658

>>96029694
>I prefer commanders like kinnan because they are an open ended good stuff commander that doesn't generate overwhelming card advantage or build itself

>>96029654
Goodstuff in this context doesn't literally mean the best cards in the format, I also referred to it as "cardsIlike.dec".
It just means a pile of 99 cards that stand on their own merit and don't necessarily synergize with your commander or require that it be in play to be functional. This is how most people built EDH decks a decade ago. We could both sit down with Sen Triplets decks with completely different 99s, the same can't be said for something like Kadena.
>>96029677
There are multiple people in this thread that disagree with you.

They should really let this guy off of the banlist, in the end he just was an open ended good stuff commander that didn't generate overwhelming card advantage or build himself.

Can you virgins stop saying open ended good stuff it's starting to turn into a copypasta

>>96029658
I wish she was one mana cheaper. Always feels like she takes too long to get off the ground but once she gets rolling it’s fun

>>96029703
>It just means a pile of 99 cards that stand on their own merit
Not helping your case

>>96029705
Is there any lore for this dude?

>>96029703
i'm not even talking about specific cedh cards like underworld breach, just the goodstuffs, like the best wraths, the best spot removal, the best counters, the best draw spells, the best tutors... we all know who they are
wow i love deckbuilding indeed
>This is how most people built EDH decks a decade ago
you sure?
that is a misleading argument as in the early 2010s pre commander product magic was still designing for competitive 1v1 (og innistrad) and all people could play back then was goodstuff 60 cards because that was all wotc was printing at the time you doofus

>>96029677
That wasn't me. My personal tastes in commanders has no place in a debate on the merits of dothingdraw commanders. They are boring as a mechanic, boring gameplay patterns and boring deck building experience.

No, I will not tell you what my favorite commanders are. As we've already seen what that leads to.

>>96029719
Yeah, it leads to you showing us all that you're even more retarded than it would first appear.

I build my decks around pretty girls and good art.

>>96029725
I was almost going to build a naya creature deck around her.

Best rakdos commanders?

>>96029703
>This is how most people built EDH decks a decade ago.
This is still how they build them now. Directionless goodstuff piles have not gone anywhere. Look at any swordbro deck that gets posted here if you need further proof.

>>96029732
I have fun with her. Its fun to slap down butcher orgg with a haste effect out and watch my retarded friends react as I wipe out their utility creatures.

>>96029725
She's pretty

>>96029719
I am Andúril who was Narsil, the sword of Elendil.
Here is the Sword full of whenever triggers and will be triggered again!
Let the thralls of goodstuff slop flee me!

>>96029705
Wow you really owned my epically there, except for the fact that he does generate overwhelming card advantage on top of immediate value, and can't really be dealt with since he pays for his own tax.
>>96029717
>i'm not even talking about specific cedh cards like underworld breach, just the goodstuffs, like the best wraths, the best spot removal, the best counters, the best draw spells, the best tutors... we all know who they are
Yeah, and I don't play those cards, and I don't have to either because I'm not playing a commander that says "when you play X specific cards, get Y" I play cards that I actually like, and I have a nice commander as a top-end value piece with the colors I want to play.

>>96029367
>kresh is on there
exquisite bait anon

>>96029723
>ad hominem
See? Ad hominem as an argument is an admission that you are incapable of otherwise defending your stance.

Post sexiest female commanders

>>96029761
>retard says to play goodstuff
>tells him that he himself obv plays goodstuffs too
>immediately denies it in an effort to be "casual" and "unique"

>>96029761

>>96029761
>yeah I don't play those cards.
Post deck list. Im curious about your decks.

>>96029761
i don't see the word "whenever" in golos therefore he's not designslop and is absolutely fine

>>96029483
>I like to see
What do you play negro

>>96029754
>do everything but draw

>>96029766
What do you expect? People want to know what you like and you act like a smug asshole about it. There's no point in meaningfully engaging with you since you have no interest in a real conversation.
>inb4 ad hominem for the 37th time

>>96029658
I think so anyway.

>>96029787
funnily enough aragorn the uniter is the one guy chock full of whenever triggers that actually doesn't draw cards, making him designkino

note how silent the schizo is when he faces the King of Gondor

>Whenever
OOOOOH THE SLOP IS SLOPPENING SLOPPIGAWA DOES IT AGAIN

Is Zenos considered a unique design or is he hated here, I really love how he changes the way everyone plays when he flips

>>96029601
frfr no cap

>>96029741

>>96029705
>cheats command tax
nope keep that nigga on the banlist

Oh God I just found out this guy exists and he sounds amazing

>>96029829
>>cheats command tax
plenty of legal commanders do that

>>96029832
yeah and I think we should send em all onto the banlist, specially the bird and ninja

>>96029699
My first commander. I built her because I had a foil of her sitting around

>>96029483
>Someone posted a Teneb list up the thread and that cycle was always nice.
Based

>hollowWHENge beast

Design slop I fear

>still no Mardu vampire commander besides Edgar
What the fuck

>>96029848
Edgar essentially invalidates anything going forward, shit he still mogs anything that is within the mardu colors to begin with. You are playing mono-black or rakdos vampires? why not just play Edgar?

>>96029788
>People want to know what you like
Don't care. That's not what I came here to discuss, and as we've seen the question wasn't asked in good faith.
>There's no point in meaningfully engaging with you since you have no interest in a real conversation.
So you say and yet I'm the only one trying to stay on topic and ignore frivolous nonsense. I've stated my opinions on dothingdraw commanders clearly and concisely. I have yet to get a clear or concise answer from anyone as to why they believe the opposite.

>>inb4
When I see bad faith arguments, I call them out.

>>96029748
Nice!

>>96029747

This commander wouldn’t last a turn in my pod. KOS.

>>96029853
gavin once again not following his own logic and not making edgar markov a GC like kinnan

>>96029705
He was banned because there isn't any reason to play a commander other than him, and that is still true.

>>96029858
>When I see bad faith arguments
AAAAAIIIIEEEE A TRIGGERED ABILITY

>>96029866
Kinnan is a CEDH piece, most of the GCs are

>>96029858
>That's not what I came here to discuss
Never would've guessed it based on how much you've responded to people asking you to.
>I've stated my opinions on dothingdraw commanders clearly and concisely
Yeah, and then avoided every follow up to that with your autistic fallacy spam. It's not abnormal to ask people about what they like when talking about this stuff. Do you want me to explain why that is to you?

>>96029782
>entire thread dogpiles for naming the first goodstuff commanders that came to mind
>post decks bro
No thanks

>>96029871
and yet tergrid is a GC as well
just because a card isn't quite there for cedh doesn't mean it's ok for bracket 2
and it's impossible to build edgar jankily, a hallmark of commanders like urza yuriko kinnan winota

>>96029875
>he runs away
you're not a bejitabro, you're a fake, a fraud
bejita would never run away from the chance to prove his strength

Post your favorite open ended good stuff commander that doesn't generate overwhelming card advantage or build itself

>>96029875
>acts smugly superior over his deck building
>won't post decks
Gtfo faggot. Even that namefag has the balls to post his cancer.

>>96029890
anyone afraid of an 0/1 is a fag

>>96029656
>and rogues passage
zzz
You should be making your opponents block with everything they've got, just to cut through the chaff and strike their neck regardless.

>>96029900
and (You) have my word that i will never cast this commander the whole game, no siree

just print it what could go wrong

>At the beginning of your end step, create a Skeletal Swarming token. If a creature died this turn, creature two of those tokens instead.

>>96029853
>why not just play Edgar?
Because he is boring and over done. The problem is we have no alternate vampire tribal Mardu commander. So you don't have any options.

>>96029900
I had a copy of his sister but I have no fucking clue where it is

>>96029903
Rog/si is only good because of the colors and always being able to cast your commander for shit like swat and fierce right?

>>96029923
all i know is that rogsi are 100% open ended grixis partners that don't make me draw any cards
whatever you're saying there is pure coincidence that i have never heard of in my life :)

>>96029933
I just haven't followed cedh in a while but I think right now it's like tymma/kraum and rog/si as the best decks or something

Phyrexians are so fucking cool man

>>96029983
>pushed faggot cards
>you do thing twice
>each opponent does thing halved / does the opposite of thing
>shitty lore
>writer's pet faction
I guess they look okay visually.

>>96030025
The old ones were cool. Nu-phyrexians are beyond lame. Posers, you might say. Can't even spell things properly.

>>96030037
phyrexians peaked in mirage

>>96030037
True

Why don't we get special products like this anymore? (I wasn't around for them).

>>96030107
Because they make more money off of UB and SL so there's no point doing nice, fun or exciting things for their customers anymore.

>>96029923
>Rog
Lets you play an extra Mox with Mox Amber
Lets you play an extra ritual with Culling the Weak
Lets you play an extra Sol land with Phyrexian Tower
Turns on "if commander" spells including free to cast counterspell, free to cast redirect, and a conditional ritual + impulse draw spell
>Si
Recovers fast mana after wipes
Recovers combo or values pieces after being countered
Recovers Lion's Eye Diamond for turn over turn free Black Lotus

Rog is the really strong part. Higher density of fast mana is disgustingly good when swimming in the ocean of draw and tutors that characterize CEDH. Silas is mostly for color identity but grindier builds can utilize him as another engine, and all builds meme him with LED for even more bullshit fast mana

>>96030136
all those cards should be banned TRVTHNVKE

>>96029610
>make statement
>stand by it
>get asked to clarify your position
>do so
>your statement is exposed as weak and hypocritical once you've clarified your position and this is pointed out by several posters

If you can't handle people calling you a retard when you make retarded statements then maybe just maybe don't make retarded statements? Being a "no u no ur just wrong just because lmao I troll u so hard" non-debating faggot is the lowest type of retarded cowardly time wasting faggot poster in this general. I will freely give props that shit-take anon at least gave examples of what he thinks aren't boring commanders and I won't get on their case again this thread because we both clearly disagree and there no more that needs to be said. That's the kind of dumbass banter that should exist in this general.

She cute?

>>96029146 (OP)
>fat body
>thin, beautiful face with a seemingly slender neck
How can they keep deluding themselves like this?
The artist seems skilled, you just know she was asked to fatten her up over and over until she was too annoyed to have it makes sense.

>>96030268
You pedo?

>>96030355
she's 112

What are some cool decks for religious/catholic larping? Like Geist of Saint Traft

>>96030401
invoke prejudice

>>96030284
Some rare women do actually look like this. If they're young, fatten up slowly on real food (not corn syrup), and have the right genes, you can get this kind of result. It doesn't last much past 25 but it's possible.

Rate my horse girl deck, this is the first deck I've built myself instead of just jamming together other people's, so I'm open to any and all suggestions.
https://moxfield.com/decks/hhN9h7Z7EUCHXiVFC091uA

>>96030517
>horse girl deck
>it's actually just horses
Absolutely haram.

>>96030517
I feel like this deck is telling a story you didn't mean for it to tell.

>>96030529

>>96029481

One thing that irks me about the station ability, is that it never says "tap an UNTAPPED creature" like it probably should. Did we shortcut this shit recently and I missed it? Or is it just oversight/they expect people know what they're doing.

>>96030543
You cant tap a tapped creature so it was redundant anyway

>>96030543
>>96030548
Reminder text is not rules text.
They are assuming that it's obvious you need to be able to actually pay a cost to pay it.

>>96030548

Well then cards like pic related wouldn't go out of their way to say untapped creatures right?

>>96030284
I have seen a chick like this all of once or twice

>>96029367
based

>>96030594
Anon they are changing the wording in the next set because it's not needed,
It has happened multiple times before with other wording changes to make text boxes shorter.
I'm genuinely confused about why you posted this

>>96029329
2/5
B - - G -

>>96030607
Because normoids can't reason based on rules. He's going to continue to throw individual cards cards and his vibe-based interpretation at you until you stop responding.
He will never look up 701.26 for an explanation of tapping.
He will never read 207.2 and accept that reminder text is not rules text.

>>96029367
I don’t see no
>”This ability triggers only once each turn.”
bullshit on there.

>>96030594
There's a pretty obvious difference between tapping as a cost and tapping a creature with an effect. The former is an action you perform with a permanent, the latter is an action you perform on a permanent that changes its state. Or I guess to be more precise it potentially changes the state of the permanent.

Why the fuck can't I post images I haven't posted in months and it's asking for my mail
What do you guys think about Szarel the new jund crucible of worlds commander

>>96030718
it doesn't do thing to draw card so it's based

>>96030718
Designslop

>>96030401

The robot looks interesting

>>96030401
Giada

>>96031086
Kilo + Pentad Prism + Aura of Dominion = infinite proliferates
do with that what you will.

>>96031121
>infinites that don't win the game

>>96029823
zenos is based

>>96030401
Are you Catholic

>>96029823
I think most people are neutral on him desu.
If you think he's cool build him but I already have like four mono black decks so personally I'm not going to be doing it

>>96030284
>thin face
How fat are you lmao

I can't be the only one that thinks that surge foiling is incredibly overrated, right?
When I compare two cards, one of which is a regular foil and one of which is a surge, I can hardly notice any difference. The difference is even muted further if you use a sleeve, and even further after that if you double sleeve.

Meanwhile I keep observing that the search foil sell for sometimes five times the amount of a regular foil. Personally I would just as soon have a regular or even have a non foil card because the non foil cards never Pringle or bend. Feels good to save money

>>96029348
Agreed.

>>96029571
The deck is totally fine. You just need some stronger cards. Look at the game changers list. Get an Academy Rector. Some combos. A commander that gives you more value. Tymna Partner or something. Wa la.

>>96029823
he's cool, it's an alternate win condition condition that's actually fun and unique instead of something stupid bullshit like approach of the second sun or "have above 40 life"

>>96031087
Not bad
>>96031177
Yes

>>96030025
But enough about Eldrazi

>>96031364
Just so you know: that angel is actually a teenage boy.
Whether that's better or worse for Catholic LARPing depends on your perspective I guess.

I don't really play MTG much, but I won yesterday in a 6-player commander using mostly the FF14 precon deck (with a few creatures swapped out for other FF singles like Venat, Zenos and Summon Bahamut and a few artifacts swapped out for better ones that trigger Y'shtola's abilities). The two people with the sweatiest decks killed each other off the bat and one guy with an Oloro Ageless Ascetic deck kept losing all his shit to exiles and boardwipes as well as getting his approach of the second sun milled out and despite have 120-something life died to 21 commander damage. Guy with the goblin deck folded because he was so tired of getting board wiped and it was just me swinging at someone with a goblin deck with a bunch of shit that had flying and Hydaelyn was giving Y'shtola indestructible as well as life link from dancer's chakrams. The match took like 3 hours because of all the board wipes

>>96030401
I would recommend a BW conquistador vamp from Ixalan, since they are literally spanish conquistadors and that's awesome. Carmen is the strongest, but new Elanda has Saint in her name. The color combo gives you access to all of the explicitly Catholic themed Orzhov stuff. Godless Shrine, all the Pontiffs and Bishops, ect. That's if you want to do intentionally Catholic themed stuff, which unfortunately is mostly "le spooky evil church" because wotc is a bunch of Seattle commies.

You could do a more generic medieval Christian aesthetic with W cards, or be more victorian protestant with Innistrad cards. Regardless you have to run Crusade. Just don't run Cathar's Crusade because the Catholic Church waged a war against those gnostic heretics.

>>96030025
I think there interesting aestheticly and lore wise and such

>>96031436
>conquistadors are so cool
Spaniards really still cling to the one thing they accomplished.

>>96031364
Me too :)

>>96031487
I'm Anglo/Italian

Will we ever get an actual God yawgmoth card

>>96031364
I am also Catholic and I play Giada>>96031087 for that reason

I have thought about possibly this one as well, the merge of angels and humans as tribes seems to invoke religious things to me

>>96031518
Probably, but not until UB fatigue nears a breaking point that will affect sales. Then they'll drop a massively overpriced master's set to pander to the oldheads and whales.

>>96029146 (OP)
>that goldberry art
it's mindboggling how they will allow beauty like that while also destroying other parts of the set like making the elves a weird tan (and worse things that just stir unnecessary drama whenever mentioned)

>>96031580
Unpopular opinion but I actually appreciated the tan skinned and white haired hentai elves. I still don't thing galadriel should have been changed however.

I also agree with you that Goldberry maybe has the hottest art in the set, pic related is my personal choice

All the other race swaps can fuck off though, especially 5 color Aragorn

>>96031577
Universes Beyond : Magic the Gathering

Which sub theme for this bastard? Sphinx tribal or graveyard bullshit since so many pick-a-pile cards put things in the dirt?

>>96031138
That's what poison is for, I guess.
Still, a 4 card infinite isnt great

>>96031616
Ones like the elf you posted is a fine tone (and that is also a beautiful card, good choice anon), it just looks weird and cartoonish on for instance Glorfindel's card. and some named characters should definitely not have been changed in any way.
if they want to insert this or that aesthetic, at least do it for unnamed characters that aren't described in great detail. (though again, they just did it to stir drama so people would talk about it - and they did, and evidently still do)

>>96031655
Yeah this is basically my opinion. Glorfindel in particular looks terrible, it's like literal blackface.
>named characters should definitely not have been changed in any way
This so fucking much. Ugh. This set was so close to being great but nearly every main character was race swapped for woke/drama reasons

Should I make Karumonix my rat tribal commander?
I have never made a Toxic deck, and would only do so now because it's on theme with rats and pestilence and what not

>>96031679
This genuinely looks like a fake card

>>96031511
>Anglo/Italian
Your great grandfather was Italian. You're american.

>>96031754
American isnt an ethnicity retard.

>>96031730
Poison counters are usually political suicide and people will get nervous and focus you by the time they have 4 counters. You'll get more mileage out of Ashcoat, but it's worth it to keep Karumonix in the 99 as removal bait.

>>96031781
hmm, the idea was to not use any proliferation and only have my rats do the diseasing, but I guess opponents can't tell that's the case and only see a big glaring siren screaming TOXIC on my board.
I shall look elsewhere for a rat commander!

making a unga bunga zylortha deck
what are the creatures with biggest dumb attack possible but small thoughness?

>>96031832
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=commander%3ARG+%28game%3Apaper%29+pow%3E4+tou%3C%3D2
Change the P/T to your liking

>>96029482
>I personally don’t mind it
Immaculate contribution, retard.

>>96029435
>it’s just pictures!!!!!!!!
They’re ads. You are paying a company to deliver ads to you.

>>96031393
Are you the anon that desperately wishes Gallia was a femboy?

>>96031867
>Square Enix is advertising Final Fantasy IV at you
>this is the insidious plot behind UB
lol
lmao

>>96031856
thanks friend, these are good targets, now i need to find generic spells to not die until i get him out or board gets wiped

>>96031867
>I don't know what an ad is
>Squeenix needs to buy ad space to popularize one of the most popular franchises in all of video games
You're not very bright, are you? A tie-in isn't a desperate attempt to get you to buy the other thing, it's an attempt to bring more people into the thing itself. This was an attempt by WotC to bring in FF fans, not sell FF games to MtG fans. Stop having opinions on things you have 0 understanding of.

>>96029610
No shit, you let them deflect. It was a trap, and an very obvious one.
>this design is bad
>“okay then what design is GOOD”
>uh…t-this one?
>“HA FUCKIN IDIOT! THATS NOT GOOD! NOW I CAN TURN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION INTO SHITTING ON YOU AND CLAIM VICTORY WITHOUT EVER ADDRESSING YOUR POINT!!!”
What you should have said is:
>what is bad is not defined by comparison to what is good. Defend the design I have criticised on its own merits or concede
And watch how he is completely unable to do so

>>96031918
Please understand, final fantasy is an indie franchise, just like the small series lord of the rings

>>96031918
>me big smart business boy, me know for a FACT that the IP holder behind FF had no expectation that this would drive at least some Magic consumers to their games
Doubt.

But either way, cool, I don’t want to buy FF in any form and I especially don’t want it infecting my card game so I’m not buying either product. Now what?

>>96031918
It goes both ways, there’s a maro post about how one of the reasons UB is in standard is that one of the primary things brands wanted from a partnership was exposure, which they weren’t getting from secret lairs.
>>96031894
Yeah what a retard. On an unrelated note, can you believe all the new heckin funko pop cards are from XIV and 7R? Even 16 got more cards than my beloved ancient game they make no money off of!

>>96031958
They needed to do something people would actually buy since trannies in cars bombed so hard

>>96031924
>What you should have said is:
Nothing. Do not engage with obvious bait in any way.

>>96031958
>yeah actually WotC has said part of the brand deal is advertizing
>ha fucking idiot thinks they’re advertizing? Then why did they print cards for old games???
Pick a fucking lane.

Oh and the answer is that it’s a franchise and they will make money from people buying collectibles of their characters whether they buy the games themselves or not.
Youre talking as if the games are now just completely unavailable or that the company would get no money from rhe sales. But what would happen if I went to Steam right now and looked up Final Fantasy anon? Oh my? FF 1-6 are on Steam AND on sale as a bundle? What a coincidence.

>>96031958
FF7 and FF14 are the games people actually play. Nobody wants boomer garbage from stuff like FF11 that play like CBT or awful ones like FF9 and FF13

Has anyone built tasha? casting people own spells at them sounds fun, how do you build her? mill or control based?

What's a good way to get into EDH and build a decent base of cards? I haven't played since Zendikar and that was only for a year, and before that I played a lot from 5th edition through 8th. So I have no cards anymore.

Would grabbing a pre-con and a box of Commander Legends be an ok way to start? I don't expect anything amazing, just to have a batch of stuff to build on.

>>96032001
Do not get in, Magic is currently selling 50% of sets as ad space and it is likely to become 100% in the next year or two

>>96031971
Trannies: Japan
>>96031986
>>96031992
I was mocking him along with the trend of people whining about the disparate representation of games. Obviously the product that is an advertisement is going to advertise the thing that is currently making money.

>>96031918
Oh and it’s total coincidence that we’re getting an Avatar the Last Airbender set in December just a few months before a new Netflix series?
How do limb do you have to be?

>>96031986
To be fair 1-6 is a bundle since it's the pixel remasters together

>>96032017
Then I shake you warmly by the hand
>>96032022
Point being, it’s all a fucking ad and that retard who says it isn’t has double digit IQ

>>96032029
I will never understand why it’s find to depict vampires drinking glasses of blood but they can’t depict characters with glasses of alcohol

>>96032017
The Japanese at least realized women shouldn't have neckbeards and should look attractive

>>96032029
Please tell me they are in orzhov

>>96031894
Presumably their intention is that if you get hooked by their characters and setting you will play any of their games, but particularly 14 which is an MMO and probably makes them a lot of money. But yes, FF4 is currently on sale on Steam, soooo…your point?

>>96032039
Looks rakdos as fuck if I had to guess

>>96032036
It's really odd isn't it?
>>96032039
I'm afraid not.
The alternate art is also lesbians at least.

>>96032037
The Japanese are mostly pedophiles so any amount of facial or body hair would be shocking. Someone was complaining during spoiler season about the lack of a sexy “Eiko” card.

>>96032071
Don't reply to me tranny

>>96032078
Why do you have to get back to ERPing as a catgirl in your tranny mmo series?

>>96032078
>>96032089
He’s done you there. FF14 is a tranny game to be fair

My favorite commanders are:
>Krenko
>Kreat
>Kiki-Jiki
>Krark and Sakashima
>Wort
>other Wort
>Redshift
>Zada

>>96031918
Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've read on this website

>>96032001
March Of The Machine packs have a guaranteed Legendary card, and overall is pretty friendly to EDH, if your gonna buy a box, id look into it. I was really happy with it

>>96032001
>build a base of cards
genuinely do not do this. only buy whichever cards you want for decks, instead of buying a bunch of cards and getting trash 95% of the time.

>>96032065
>Menace
I'll say!

>>96030543
>is that it never says "tap an UNTAPPED creature" like it probably should. Did we shortcut this shit recently
Anon, that's reminder text. That's literally already the shortcut. Reminder text is not rules text.

Is GoGo+Strip Mine MLD?

I have a thing for slime girls but I really don't want to play simic
Is she actually fun to play

>>96032507
I have a proposition

>>96032561
I don't get it. Is this a trans thing?

>>96032573
Vtumors

>>96032587
So yes, got it.

>>96032507

>>96032598
Stripmine+Wasteland is now MLD.
Terastodon is now MLD.

>>96032612
>>96032598
Sorry anon, but Plow Under is Bracket 12, I won't tolerate this level of CEDH in my casual game. Your coomander doesn't even draw a card when you cast it!

>>96030412
Oh hey somebody actually saved my jokeslop.

>>96032671
Needs an Eminence and Partner ability. Plus a modern horizons set symbol.

>>96032703
So the gay Asari steal the thingamabob and save the day?

>Tezzeret offers a toast. "Where I come from, there are elder dragons, unholy machines, and sphinxes with metal to surpass men. They all sought to master me. But I survived. Why?" He thumps his chest. "The spark. In here. The fire of possibility. And what fuels it? The unknown becoming known. You discover what you do not have. And you take it. We have taken a piece of the unknown."

>>96032729
"Awesome but where we come from we have spaceships that deal 100 damage on attack"

>>96032698
Say no more

>>96032748
Yeah he controls them apparently

>>96032748
>mfw 4 Emrakuls die to a spaceship
>mfw no face because I was also blown up by it

>>96032765
Honestly thought this smile had been edited on but no that's the real image

>>96032868
Next Horizons set should be a Planar Chaos type theme where we get alternate timeline version of characters, I want to see a Karn, Father of Machines card.

What are your thoughts on theft decks? Actually viable or just a meme?

>>96032909
I fucking hate them, my least favorite archetype to play against and wotc seems to have a fetish for them.

>>96032909
>theft decks
yoinking sorceries or instants, or grabbing creatures until end of turn, is fine.
keeping them around on your board is not.
simply as!

>>96032909
Irrationally hated to the point that it hinders their viability. Most theft commanders are also pretty underwhelming power-level wise.

>>96032909
I love them because they make people seethe like a motherfucker. I personally have no issues with them

>>96032909
The salt generated is a bonus feature

>>96032909
They're fun, but they rely heavily on how good your opponents decks is. Make people super salty though.

>>96032909
Not only is it a meme and not viable, everyone will hate you for it

>>96032638
Does responding to a boardwipe with this count as MLD? You can't prove intention.

>>96032989
Only if you respond to your own board wipe with it, that intent is pretty fucking clear.

>>96032989
Not for you, your opponent who played the wrath of god is now a MLD playing CEDHer who immediately loses the game and is dragged off to the bracket 5 troon dungeon.

>>96032989
I literally have only ever seen this card played in the context of MLD, so proving intent isn't needed, I would just know and respond accordingly

>>96033032
Naw, the onus is on the one who made it possible for the lands to be wiped, the person casting Wrath is just as much an innocent bystander as the rest of the players. As always, it's the green player casting Natural Affinity being the shit head.

>>96033059
Don't wrath my board or block or you're playing MLD.

>>96033078
Like I said, shit head green player. I'm so glad that my playgroup doesn't use brackets and MLD is a-ok.

>>96032922
>Most theft commanders are also pretty underwhelming power-level wise.
Thats part of the reason they're hated. They aren't going to win, they're just going to be annoying until you run them off the table.

>>96031790
The only good rat commander is Vrenn, and features less than five rats total in the deck.
The rest is mass removal that turns into big rats.
T: Been trying to force rat decks for 10 years.

>>96032909
they are based because it makes combo niggers seethe

>>96033127
Totentaz is a great rat comnander, gives you value when you sac shit and people ignore it since its not a removal on sight menace

There's only one rat commander for me

Actual best rat tribal commander

>>96029848
>>96029853
I don't want it to be better, I want it to be different and do something with vampires

>>96033319
Not posting it out of shame.

>>96032598
So Sunder can be played on any bracket? Sweet

>>96032909
Litmus test to check if the people you're playing with actually like Magic or are there just to roleplay and be coddled

>>96033352
>bracket
dont use jotc lingo

>>96033352
That's mass land denial, not mass land destruction. Sunder is not mass land destruction.

>>96033386
So wheres the chart for that

I really enjoyed the Edge of Eternities novella, but all the card art looks like Marvel scifi slop. I'm conflicted

>>96030412
Landfall is an ability word, not a keyword. It's just flavor text to help you avoid re-reading boilerplate text. The card still needs to say "Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control,".

This is what happens gavin when you're a pussy
Just list the big bad mld cards you hate and be done with it, it's not like your retarded balancing team makes any more of these cards to begin with

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96033430
Not happening. The RC is the ultimate political body, spinning their wheels pretending to do something with big words while bringing zero actual change or clarity

>>96033420
>I really enjoyed the Edge of Eternities novella

>>96032057
>FF4 is currently on sale on Steam
it's the summer sale, anon.

>>96033423
Maybe it's not a triggered ability that occurs when a land enters the battlefield. Maybe if you control this creature you may draw a card and get a treasure and make a token just because you want to.

>>96032057
>buying games in current year of our Lord
never heard of fitgirl repack?
ff 1-6 pixel remaster for free. crazy know

I wish planeswalkers could be commanders…
I want a Garruk deck. the furry version

>>96033479
As-written that effect happens as part of resolving the spell. I can't make heads or tails of the tokens effect. It might be a static ability that creates a new continuous effect every turn?

Commander got removed 3 turns in a row tonight, lads. So sick of it. I spent almost the entire game with 2 cards on board. I wasn't even the threat, people just had removal and fucking wasted it on me.
>inb4 "what commander"
Not interested in saying in case someone from LGS posts here. Also I've played this game before with other commanders and people have told me how big a threat my commander is, even when I post decklist to prove it's bracket 2 at best, and that I spent 3 turns with nothing in land in hand. People just want to be contrarians and I don't care to engage.

Explain this card to me like I'm new and retarded because I'm both. So if this gets played, I reveal like a 3 cost card and then one guy reveals his and it's like a land, one reveals a 2 cost card and the last dude reveals a 4 cost card, I can play my card, the land card and the 2 cost card for free during my turn, but the 4 cost just stays with the other player, is that right? That seems pretty fun

>>96033461
I can't believe valve is working with hasbro to sell more copies of ff4

>>96033552
Triple Triad only exiles cards during the upkeep of the player who owns Triple Triad.
Only the player who owns Triple Triad gets the chance to play cards exiled by Triple Triad.
And in your example the 4 cost card would not "stay with the other player", it would stay exiled.

>>96033552
At the beginning of your upkeep, each player exiles the top card of their library. The other players never get those cards, they're exiled.
You can play the card you own this way until end of turn, like a normal 'impulse draw'.
Also, if one of the other players' cards was lower CMC than yours, you can play it.
So your example is correct, depending on what you mean by 'stays with' the other player. General rules are also if you cast an instant or sorcery it goes into its owner's graveyard.

>>96033299
the mana cost scares me, especially in monoblack. he's 1 removal off being a 7-mana 2/3

>>96033459
Dumb frogposter

>>96033530
You sound like a whiny little faggot, bitch-kun. Honestly, the only reason you wouldn't post your commander is because 0 people would agree with you.

>>96033678
Nah I told you why. I just want to vent. You fags would tell me I deserved it if my commander was a 7 mana do-nothing. Not gonna fall for the bait.

>>96033191
Wrong
>>96033299
So close to greatness
>>96033319
I kneel to your wisdom

>>96033693
>no one would agree with me if I posted it
Yeah, that's what I said. This story is made up most likely anyway so no more (You)s from me.

>>96033530
Lotta typing for someone who doesn't care and doesn't want engagement. Are you heliod anon who thinks cost reduction and flash enablers aren't threatening because you're "only using the cost reduction to cast cheap bombs that are otherwise unplayable"

>>96033719
>>96033720
>hurr durr we can bait you into doing what we want
You can't though.

>>96033530
>>96033678
>won't say what commander it is
100% it's some retarded megaaids kill-on-sight commander that completely runs away with the game if he gets to untap with it and he's one of those faggots who stomps his feet and insists its not that version of the deck when it's impossible to build a version that isn't.

>replying to a fictional outrage fag
How about instead we talk about any upcoming commanders we wanna build? old or new. What's your next deck, or what do you want to build but don't know exactly how?

>>96033811
I want to build atraxa with all the praetors and focus on realm breaker
But I've also been trying to find some lesser known stuff that looks cool

>>96033831
You know who's lesser known, looks cool, and is on theme?
it's urabrask

>>96033831
Which Atraxa?

>>96033811
>What's your next deck,
I'm thinking either Coram or Pantlaza. I've been wanting to build dino tribal for a long time, and Corams card theft seems fun. And I'm always a fan of commanders that can get big numbers.

Rate my custom

>>96033748
>I dont care to engage
You should live up to your word and not engage anon.

>>96033856
I wanted to max out on praetors and go pure phyrexian tribal but not using infect and shit, I'm trying to make a somewhat functional list that doesn't die before I can even play atraxa

friend who played magic 20+ years ago wants me to build him an OG niv-mizzet deck bracket 2-3.
any interesting direction I can take that isn't just groupslug wheel?

>>96033811
These are a lot of the things I've been looking at, not even counting Yuna Hope of Spira or Choco.
>>96033862
Dude Coram is so much fun, especially with things like Titanoth Rex and Agonosaur Rex. Big recommend for The Shovel.
>>96033870
laughed pretty heartily

>>96033779
Nah, told you it's not. Don't care if you believe me.
>>96033874
Nah I'm just not gonna post deck so you faggots can tell me a bracket 2 jank pile is kill on sight

>>96033975
Savra is my favorite deck in the game but unless your post is ready for it you probably won't be able to play her much since she's game ruining in some pods

Any goblins in the new set?

>>96033993
What kind of build are you using? I've been thinking of doing an aristocrats deck in a higher power sort of way, since I have a Phy Altar, Sephiroth, Grave Pact from 8th, Dictate of Erebos, Lifeline, etc.

>>96033975
Ordered some stuff to build a Traveling Minstrel deck. While I do hate UB I don’t mind it so much when I’m building the entire deck from the same UB set. At least that way it’s thematic and not a mishmash of shit

>>96033986
well damn bro the fuck do you want? To cry like a little bitch about it? You’ve succeeded

>>96034006
Not so far

>>96033870
I have another proposition to make

>>96033975
gib savra anime elf gf

>96034028
vfags are worst than vegans

>>96034028
>Elf
Dog

>>96034028
>More unrelated tranny shit
>>96033986
Okay bro, your urza deck is totally bracket 2 jank, I'm sure.

>>96033975
I always wanna do Savra or Sisters of Stone Death for a golgari deck but never do. Very fond of both as thats the first set I played i believe i know Sisters was the first single I ever bought after saving allowance was like ten bucks back then. Sisters doesn't hold up at all but Savra is probably unreal pests would be real nice for her

>>96034050
>Dog
Demon Dog

>>96033874
Ugin is engaged to Bolas now

>>96034028
Not the best one in EN
Not the best one in her gen
Not the best one in her family

>>96034058
I've absolutely considered Sisters of Stone Death before, but yeah the 8cmc for the effect is too painful to manage without every bit of fast mana in the game and two opponents playing mana flare. Savra would probably love Pests for sure, and I love the idea of Fleshbag and Accursed Marauders turning into 2-3 mana and 2 life to edict everyone for 2.
>>96034031
me FIRST (with benis)
>>96034021
Traveling Minstrel is interesting because you can at least make Towns and other taplands a lot better, effectively letting you build a budget landbase in 5cmc, but also makes Triomes into untapped Trilands, the big brother of OG Duals.

>>96034082
it's not about being the best
it's about who has the most fun

>>96034108
Yeah I could definitely make him stronger with better lands but fuck spending all that money and I don’t want to proxy just to meta game. My land base is literally every Town, command tower, exotic orchard and a handful of basics and I think that’s fine.

>>96033811
Been eyeballing these two. Human tribal has some really busted support and I'm looking at using bulk cards with human cuties in the art just to trigger the effect since that's mainly what matters.

>>96033420
>I like slop X but I don't like slop Y

>>96034066
Can someone please post a source already? I keep on looking through YouTube for some fat nerd to read this lore out to me like usual, but it seems like pretty much nobody in the MTG community has heard of this other than /tg/.

>>96033975
I built Zidane and he surprised me. His first effect is fine but his secondary effect generates so many treasures if you build your deck right. I packed it with as many Slicer-like effects, Humble Defector, and have a lot of goad/combat trick stuff to keep the feel of Zidane being a trickster. It can close games with a classic Insurrection or a giant X-Spell.

is any green (or containing green) commander that cares a lot about artifacts?
i pulled that "create 3 tapped powerstone tokens" card and just have an urge to put it into a deck where it'd be useful

What commander where the other players are thinking "this guy seems harmless, I wonder what he is up to" and then I ONE SHOT ALL OF THEIR FACES ALL OUT OF NOWHERE

>>96034202
That makes sense to me, I assume it's more of a lower power/mid power affair? I assume you run general Act of Treason-type effects?
Any big X spells you like in particular? I figure things like Xorn and other treasure support cards are good here too.
>>96034178
Yeah I get you, I'd consider maybe the bouncelands from Ravnica potentially or the other really low-end tap lands with land types.
>>96034196
>liking one thing and not another thing
woah!
>>96034284
Roxanne when you wanna use Rocks

>>96034024
We got a kavu in space. If they give us that random bs but no goblin in space I'll riot.

>>96034018
shes strong aristocrats, good sac outlets, token generation and card draw, you always control the board, and its very easy to go infinite, but usually its tons of drain and making sure people dont have boards, then ending with gary or massacre wurm
ive brought her to "high power" games before and people didnt think she was good then after that game i was told not to play her in that pod, even with a low power build shes just a commander that bullies a lot of decks unless its token spam, when you have instant speed sac outlet that makes it so no one can cast their commander without losing it you take control easily

>>96034335
>Roxanne
omg of course
thanks anon!

>>96034024
i will die to fill elesh norns porcelain womb

>>96034284
Oviya pashiri

>>96034021
>well damn bro the fuck do you want? To cry like a little bitch about it? You’ve succeeded
Yeah pretty happy with it. If anyone else had related to my experience that would have been a bonus, but I'm good.

Oh boy, a skeleton maker

>>96034505
SKELLY TRIBAL IS SO BACK

>>96034378
It's not just 'a' kavu in space, they get a whole planet in this set.
0 goblin planets

>>96034335
>About Zidane
Yes, to all of your statements. The best card in the deck is Master Warcraft. That thing trips up people every single time.

This is just one of the Ghoti from Yugioh

>>96034380
That sounds fucking based, honestly. It's exactly what I was looking to get out of a Golgari deck, and why I originally was gonna do Slimefoot, but I love the idea of Savra since she doesn't look as scary and isn't a combo piece in the command zone.
>>96034386
Good luck, man! Sarinth Greatwurm is good for her as well since all lands produce you a ton of tokens
>>96034541
Dude i ALWAYS love those fucking combat control cards, deciding for others is hilarious. It's why I always loved Banding. I may be adding Banding if I do mono-white Knights with Dion

>>96034505
So this is Death's Shadow tribal, right?

>>96034566
Yeah it should work

>>96034562
you can also play the deck without savra on board, since shes mostly pressure or enabling various things, but you can still just play the sacrifice and drain game without her, theres plenty of times where i will sac her since she triggers herself
i havent updated my deck in a long time, but once my friends start building higher power stuff il update her a bunch

>>96034581
What an insane number of effects for a 2 drop.

worldgorger dragon combo deck
https://moxfield.com/decks/hH47sRNwbU6BVJlsLiNJ_g

>>96034610
I think they’re shoving a lot of strong cards in this set alongside Eldrazi and Sliver (no leaks yet) shit because otherwise no one would buy it

>>96034548
so warp is just adventure with no adventure synergy
add adventure to the new list of "every new effect in magic is just kicker"

>>96034566
Death's shadow and anything else that's big with a downside.
Also, for the record: thousand year elixir, patriar's seal, and if you're readily desperate (which you are) jandor's saddlebags

>>96034691
you gotta stop with these "so new mechanic is just old mechanic but different?!?!" yeah it's been 30 fucking years all mechanics are just old mechanics but slightly different

>>96032909
scoops pretty hard against tribal decks since the synergy just doesn't help you. wins against goodstuff piles tho. personally I like them more and more these days since people are just jamming their decks with kill on sight threats begging to be stolen. playing against one is usually a non issue for me even tho I don't play tribal

>>96034646
Made for Kilo

>>96034707
WE don't need new mechanics. We need existing mechanics to be collated.

>>96034691
But it's evoke.

>>96034724
Huh I thought all spacecraft were eligible as commanders but apparently only some of them are going to be.

>>96034724
>minimum of 20 mana
What the fuck is going on with this set

>>96034646
>one or two
This templating always sounds so silly to me. So casual like "yeah just return one or two, idk"
Whats wrong with "up to two" it's even less characters to save on ink.

>>96034646
Someone will try and argue this can get two creatures and two planeswalkers, I just know it from that wording.

>>96034724
>Karnstructs make this so easy
p-please..
>>96034609
Yeah, that makes sense. She works as a payoff without needing to always be out, and given it's golgari, reanimating her is easy as pie. I wanna include Lifeline I think just so I can play a creature like Accursed Marauder, kill something on every board, then at end step they all come back and then die again, then do it on the next end step, etc forever. An ever-expanding spiral of death and rebirth with ETBs and drain just shitting the game up lmao

>>96034754
Technically "up to two" allows you to pick zero whereas "one or two" doesn't.

Would you play it?

>>96032814
Only fun part of this story was Karnataka just utterly punking elesh like a bitch

>>96034780
The original is better because I can give it haste, clone it, blink it, etc.

>>96034753
The reminder text for how station works is on the card, you tap 20 power worth of creatures, I don’t think you even have to do it all at once either

>>96034798
I meant that it will give a minimum of 20 mana when it's stationed to 20 and gains the ability, not that it will take 20 to station it.

>>96034798
Yes but effect that gives mana equal to charge counters can only be used at 20+
Hence it gives a minimum of 20 mana

This set looks really good so far besides that one boros fag

>>96034378
>>96034527
Kavu have a plan they ripped in half mining. But at the same time everyone is going to that solar system because the sun is turning into a black hole and they're looting/preserving shit from the system before it goes

>>96034818
Do you have a single fact to back that up or can you only speak in buzzwords chud? Your argument = refuted.

>>96034691
It's evoke.

>>96034707
They wouldn't have to be.
I don't get the fucking obsession of reprinting something that exists but making it slightly different. There's a soup of key words that are just marginally different, it's confusing and it's wasted design space when they could just print more of mechanics that people liked before.

Like for example why the fuck did we need Omens when we had Adventures?
>it's the exact same mechanic but it goes to deck instead of to exile!!
>okay but why?
>because different!
>but doesn't that make it less interactive? there's far fewer pay offs for shuffling into library than for casting from exile
>different!

I hate it so fucking much.

>>96034779
Why would they not want you to pick 0 for a card like that?

>>96034780
Can I draw art for this?

>>96034798
Lavos is that you?

>>96034735
I think they’re not eligible if Stationing makes them a creature after X counters

That said it’s really weird that Stationing does or doesn’t make some Spacecrafts creatures and the only way you know if it does or doesn’t is in the reminder text for that specific card’s Station ability

>>96034691
That's skeleton jelly not whatever gay shit you named your dumb faggot card

>>96034867
>they’re not eligible if Stationing makes them a creature after X counters
No. Any legendary permanent with a P/T box is eligible to become a commander in the new rules.

>>96034878
No it's vehicles and spacecraft that are legendary that's it

>>96034581
I can handle a bit of power creep but the format this kind of shit ruins most for me is limited.

>>96034878
I just realized I typed the exact opposite of what I meant anyway. I should go to fucking sleep

>>96034861
why would I wanna stop you?

>>96034777
fleshbag marauder, plageucrafter, accursed, merciless executioner etc. are just devastating in the deck since you just make it sac itself or a token, then savra triggers and makes them sav another thing, the deck can be pretty resilient also ive had a lot of games where i 1v3
but otherwise my wife is just extremely oppressively with any setup, i fucking love savra so much, i cant wait to get to play her again

Next they should make legendary backsides eligible as commanders

>>96034915
I can't play aristocrats anymore. Someone resolved a Sephiroth emblem against my Chatterfang deck and it was the most depressed I've felt in a year.

>>96034818
I can't imagine the blowback if Sami had been straight and white and the story had shit like this in it about big tiddies.
Also they can't help but fuck it up. The rest of the story was kind of interesting but then we have to have a heckin enby criminal with a wholesome chonker quest as the lead

>>96034915
I think you've sold me on the concept, gonna drop Slimefoot and build Savra. Gonna start a list in a little and I'll post it.
Any other all-stars you think are auto-includes or useful neat stuff? I may put in my Torment of Hailfire since I've got a copy floating around.
>>96034935
Terrifying

>>96034935
>schoolbullynotsotoughsincebeingmooested.png

>>96034527
>0 goblin planets

Why aren't more people running this? It's a solid draw engine and if anyone is dumb enough to take the damage after 3 counters you can easily stack your deck to make them regret that choice.

>>96034937
Correct. Always remember when giving money to WOTC: They hate you and want you to die.

>>96034979
It's an extremely good card, but it's also like 20 dollars isn't it?

>>96034979
costs 12 dollars

>>96034922
Yes FUCKING please

>>96034979
>phyrexian arena with suspend: 3+

yuriko + rooms + palantir

>>96035020
>he's afraid to mill a card

>>96035020
You still get the scry 2 every turn, that isn't nothing.

Maybe I'm stupid, but why not run like two or three creatures that you want to beef up in an ultron style deck? That way if one gets killed you can feed the others your cool equipment for cool dudes

>>96035071
is that biome-chan

>>96035071
Players are bad at deckbuilding and tend to focus on purity over generalist lists. Why run another creature when you can have another equipment?

>>96034809
>>96034813
Ah right, forgive my retardation

>>96034562
>Other people can't play the game
>Swordbro: sounds based!
Typical

>six cmc
Jesus christ

>>96035108
>what if board wipe + set subtheme
whoa wizards is really flexing their design muscles with this one

>>96034979
It only targets a single player at a time and it only draws a single card a turn, or no cards at all. The damage delt is random and negligible so you very likely won't draw anything from it for two to three turns. Just run phyrexian arena and guarantee the draw.
Cards where your opponent gets to choose what happens need to be absurdly busted to be playable.

>>96035108
No worries anon, i can understand what happened.
God that's a beautiful card

>>96035127
wrong. palantir is a self-mill engine that either wins you the game through damage or wins you the game through your engine

>>96035102
My answer is because if I have Tifa in a deck I want my boys Cloud and Cid with her, they were my final fantasy 7 team and it pleases my autism having them on my team here too

>>96035108
Seems *5 mana white exile boardwipe* is a staple going forward, WotC didn't want standard to exist without Sunfall, it seems.

>>96035071
Because non-commander creatures can't get commander damage kills.

Wizards is pushing too much exile. When are we going to get can't-be-exiled?

>>96035129
>image limit
Yeah the art on it is really nice
>>96035166
I know Temporary Lockdown 2 was leaked a week or so ago

>>96035111
>Strongly attempt to win and stop people from interacting with you
>this is bad
High power gameplay be like that, same way with how blue runs all of those free counterspells and try to stop interacting. Nature of the thing, I'd say. I could go Shattergang and just lock out Artifacts/Enchantments too lmao

>>96034646
Ding ding ding ding we have a winrar.

And retards will still blame UB for killing the game.

>>96035108
If you've got a hexproof character, they still eat shit from this card since it's not targeting them, don't they? Man, I get why that has to be like that since you do need those kind of clears for certain decks and what have you but at the same time giving a creature auras and equipment to make them invulnerable and hexproof and then watching them still turn to an ash baby feels bad man

>>96035108
Spacecrafts have got to be rancid shit, station is such a commitment to turn them on and then they just eat shit to artifact hate and specific spacecraft hate. Can't think of another more recent DOA mechanic.

>>96035243
Battles.

>>96034581
teferi's protection and flare of fortitude keep winning

>>96034818
This set looks like FIRE trash. No surprise its got supporters in a thread full of UB hating proxy hating troons

>>96035269
>Battles
Honestly the issue with Battles is that they outright aren't even printing them. Imagine a modern released set where they excluded an entire card type like Enchantments, Sorceries, or Instants (this is obviously divergent from the few times they tried with those types of limitations before) and even making Sieges in Tarkir and not making them battles that flip into the enchantments or something. They straight up don't know what to do with them and it was an awful idea to make a new card type with so little forethought. The couple that I like, I really like, but most are pretty much nothing.

>>96035235
That would be the same for wrath or other destroy all creatures too.
That's why you have access to things that phase/flicker/exile/etc.
>>96035243
There's going to be a few uncommon stations with low station costs and very good effects that are busted as fuck, calling it now. All the ones we've seen are big rares with big effects that someone in design slapped with the bitch-hammer to make it weaker, but their playtest is shit since they fired everyone.

>>96035235
Yep, my Dihada list was based around making everything damn near impossible to remove except by mass exile and spreading keywords around, one Farewell and the deck was toast. Also force sacrifice works too.
>>96035269
>>96035301
Battles will probably get support in the Marvel sets, methinks, iconic comic stories will probably be Sagas

>>96034798
sheldon would be rolling in his grave if he saw what kind of wheels support they are printing now

>>96035324
>Battles will probably get support in the Marvel sets, methinks, iconic comic stories will probably be Sagas
At least it's something, but they feel so hesitant to do it. Tarkir's modal sieges should've been battles that when they flip, you choose your thing exactly the same way. Give them an ETB that you choose based on sides, and boom you've got a new batch of this extremely underrepresented card type.

>>96035284
Not really most of the revealed cards dont look very overbearing at all

>>96035349
The entire point of the modal sieges was the callback to FRF.

>>96035235
Yep. Indestructible and hexproof are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Wipes are sacrificing and-/- and exiling. Only phasing is good protection anymore. Can't wait until Wizards over corrects like they always do and starts introducing numerous Teferi's P at 2 mana and has to introduce super duper exile which gets through phasing.

>>96035139
No, because your opponent gets to choose. Whatever outcome is most beneficial for you isn't going to happen unless your opponent is a crayon eating retard. Milling at the end of your turn leaves your cards open to interaction from things like Bokuja Bog. And again, the damage is negligible. Especially when you can only target a single player once each turn with a random amount of damage.
It's a fun card but there are more reliable options.

>>96035358
You can do both
>Modal enchantments on the backside
>Break it as a battle on the front side
Still references the Khans/Dragons sieges but actually uses the new thing they bothered to make that so far only have the Siege subtype too.

>>96035378
>And again, the damage is negligible
Sometimes, but even two cards can be 14+ damage if you find the right stuff on top.

Heads I win, tails you lose

Battles flopped because people didnt understand the mechanic, not because they're too difficult to get off like space stations

>>96035243
Reminds me of Level Up where it’s like “hey spend a bunch of mana to make this creature not trash” but instead its “spend multiple turns not just attacking and leaving no blockers up to juice this thing that will get removed right before it pops off. Also half the time it doesn’t do ANYTHING until you’ve spent a bunch of extra resources”

I love battles i love backgrounds and honestly spacecraft seem cool. I think the only card type i haven't enjoyed greatly is planeswalker

>play a battle
>3 turns later remember I have to give it to an opponent to defend
that's the actual problem with battles (technically only the Siege subtype of which all battles are currently)

>>96035459
Are you sure you actually like them if you don't know how they work?

>>96035366
Guess I'll need to get a robe of stars at some point

>>96035474
I like them as ETB permanents that have virtually zero cards that interact with them for my blink decks.

>>96035483
Why, are you turning 30? That's the reason I own mine.

Hey Mococo guy, check these out
https://hololive-mtg-proxies.neocities.org

>>96035483
Honestly, this would be a good set for it to be reprinted in.

>>96035404
>can be
>if
See, that's what I mean. Not reliable. You can just as easily hit lands or a mana dork and deal basically no damage. Just run basically any dredge card and your self milling faster and more reliably than planatir.

>>96035485
i too never read the words "Destroy target permanent" on a magic card, anon

>>96035533
https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22destroy+target+permanent%22+t%3Ainstant
there's not that many

>>96035535
>>96035535
>>96035535

>>96035511
I do got a birthday coming up next week, was gonna buy a collectors pack just as a gambling lark on an offchance i got something crazy, maybe I'll buy some equipment some steam games and a pizza instead

>>96035544
well you're right

also, if i target your fucking Battles with one of these in your blink deck, i am already dead anyways

>>96034753
Space is big. That means big numbers

>>96035612
Thanks doomguy

>>96034646
I remember a guy was showing off an "oops all Lilianas" deck and I think he'd like this

>>96035129
>we've got Rebecca Guay at home

>>96035622
We already saw another Spaceship that can do 100 damage

>>96034581
greenbros, we're eating good today

>>96035698
I can enjoy both anon.
I am a big Guay fan, I even run the SLD Serra she did, but I also really like that art.
Her watercolour work is very different than this artists acrylics and I wouldn't compare the two

>>96034867
>That said it’s really weird that Stationing does or doesn’t make some Spacecrafts creatures and the only way you know if it does or doesn’t is in the reminder text for that specific card’s Station ability
And, you know, having Power and Toughness in the text box for the Station payoff.

>>96029348
>There's a name for that
Consistency?

>>96029317
lol man I feel this pain. I got a foil and the borderless foil is selling for double what a foil vivi is worth. and one third the foil alt art. I can’t do it. prices are insane.