I just got Pic related and I really want to run a game in it but i have a problem. My friend group is a bunch of DnD only drones. How can I convince them to try something else for a change?

Usually you can't, I gave up and found other people to play other stuff. Eventually left the group after one of the guys stopped going and the DM started inviting new people I didn't particularly vibe with.

Obviously I was in that group so people playing D&D right now could play other stuff, but you usually can tell. It's a bit of a cult thing.

>>96029954 (OP)
I’ve asked myself this question many times. I wanted to run a werewolf the forsaken game thinking it’s somewhat combaty so maybe it would work. I basically said
>I’m the only one who DMs so it’s this or nothing, I’m not running 5e again I’m sick of it after 6 years
And they just chose not to play anything. Instead the ttrpg day is now a bg3 group game day. I don’t get it.

>>96029958
>>96029961
That's disheartening. I tried an elevator pitch approache and that failed. I tried explaining how some of the mechanics for skills worked which was met with cold stares of incomprehension.
I have gotten them to try and wargame with me, only because I bought/painted/created all the minatures/terrain/book and its d20 based so they felt comfortable with it.

>>96029954 (OP)
Part of it is that they already know D&D. Even if they don't, they assume they do and most DMs will bend backwards to acomodate their assumptions. Reboots and sequels always outperform new or stand alone movies, even if most people agree they are worse than the originals or that it sucks how everything is the same stuff over and over again. It's comfortable.

I'd say WoD, Cyberpunk and CoC worked in the 90's because there was a well known baseline that was pretty much real life.

>>96029986
It was a mistake to start with D&D, but it was a mistake you couldn't had prepared for. You can check now and then if there's inerest for a second group on the side, meet new people, I know that even in latin america there are gaming events and open tables so you can find potential players.

I've only ever really played with people I was already friends with who had similar tastes so typically if one of us found another game to try we'd be willing to try but the rule was whomever introduces the game is gonna DM it so they should brush up on the rules.

>>96029986
This is why people try to shoehorn all sorts of settings into 5e. If you do get them to play something else expect to exhaustively explain the rules, have to essentially make every character, snd constantly re explain every session. DnD is a lifestyle brand at this point, the people who play it aren’t actually into ttrpgs.

>>96029997
I was brought into it by a preexisting friend group. Im relatively new to the hobby, only been playing for six or so years, and I've taken over as forever GM from the old one. I was hoping after trying frostgrave they'd like to expand their horizons a bit but I might just be stuck running a game for my dad and nephew.
>This is why people try to shoehorn all sorts of settings into 5e.
Yeah, I one guy in the group was backing 5 different 5e books at one point. I tried to do the same for them by just running phandelver and then just 100% homebrewing stuff after the adventure but they hated it. They don't seem to want to play anything if there isn't an official adventure book printed for it.

>>96029954 (OP)
Try something that isn't fantasy, like traveller, star wars, or Call of Cthulhu. I think that a big part of the problem is trying something that is too similar to d&d to start with, so they go "why wouldn't we just play d&d if we're going to play fantasy?"
Make pregenerated characters. Have a short, punchy one shot that gets right to the point, is a good vertical slice of the core activities of the game that also showcases the most relevant rules. Make it FUN. Don't worry about anything but the most necessary background info. Another problem with getting old to try to new games is people do a bad job of introducing them. If your intro is just a pitch and view of a big ruleset you've never used before, it's gonna turn you off. If you start with a fun game, show them it will be worth it, with a small initial buy in on their part, they'll be a lot more likely to buy in to more session later.

>>96029986
>I tried an elevator pitch approache and that failed. I tried explaining how some of the mechanics for skills worked which was met with cold stares of incomprehension.
This is exactly what I am talking about, this is 100 percent the worst way to attempt to introduce someone to a new game.

>>96030085
>This is exactly what I am talking about, this is 100 percent the worst way to attempt to introduce someone to a new game.
Talking about what? How would you go about getting them to play something different?

>>96030108
Read
>>96030079

>>96030127
I did and that dosen't seem like good advice. I don't think passive aggressively setting up a game with out their consent and forcibly obliging them to play it is a good way to endure them to any system. Take BoL for example, they were thoroughly not interested in it at all, had i just dropped it into their lap like a scaulding hot cup of coffee they'd probably wouldn't have been very happy.

>>96030158
Maybe start with something easy. I got my 5e group to try black crusade using the broken chains one shot. It was a week where the DM cancelled due to a cold and I offered to run it. People liked it, although we went straight back to 5e. Baby steps though. I think it’s different though because they know and play or used to play warhammer. I’m hoping to get them to play a full 40k game after the 5e game ends. Hopefully Rogue Trader.

>they only like official adventures
What the fuck? Wotc write terrible campaigns

>>96030194
>>they only like official adventures
>What the fuck? Wotc write terrible campaigns
I eventually got into the habit of checking 3th party or random stuff I see in the sharethread, but I used to think WotC adventures had to be at least decent because they were made by an official well payed and experienced team with their seal of approaval.
It wasn't until Spelljammer that I started to notice that it's was absolute shit, I don't know what came right before it but everything after it became very clearly unplayable.

>>96030194
>babysteps
That's the only feasible thing I think I can do. I've a frostgrave campaign book that they are excited to play.

>>96030158
Holy fuck, I think you have a lot worse problems if you read that as "passive aggressively spring it on your players!"

No, you talk to them like adults and say "hey, I want to run something as a change of pace next week. You won't need to make characters or read any rules beforehand, it'll just be a one shot, maybe we can play more if you enjoy it."

Jesus Fucking Christ.

>>96030239
The important thing is there at least willing to TRY stuff. You're not gonna get them all in on a different game in one session but the more exposure they get the better.

>>96030158
It's insane that you somehow completely missed "make an engaging one shot, make pregens, don't make them read a book, make sure they have fun, and pick a different genre from what your normally do," and you inserted "surprised them, and force them to play at gunpoint," something that isn't actually in the post.

>join D&D campaign
>after it's done just more D&D
>join Delta Green campaign
>after it's done we play Call of Cthulhu, Dark Heresy, Pathfinder, Deadlands, DCC, Traveller, Warhammer Fantasy RP and like 5 different board games.

>>96030242
>>96030254
>>I tried an elevator pitch approache and that failed. I tried explaining how some of the mechanics for skills worked which was met with cold stares of incomprehension.
I tried talking to them as I stated to which anon said
>This is exactly what I am talking about, this is 100 percent the worst way to attempt to introduce someone to a new game.
How else am i supposed to interpret anon telling me talking to my friends is 100% the wrong thing to do? Lol?

>>96030299
It really do be like that.

>>96029954 (OP)
Don't pitch it to them, don't ask, just say 'I'm DMing a campaign, it's not 5e and anyone who mentions changing to 5e will be raped to death by this homeless crack head I've hired for the job. Everyone, this is Kev by the way, Kev, this is everyone. Now are you interested or not?'

Works every time. If you give them the option then they'll fanny about until the end of time, if they're told they'll do.

>>96030351
Not OP. I tried that see >>96030066 5e players might still say no

>>96030354
Well at that point you tell Kev that he can have a spoonful of Crack if he gets all of them, then secure the door when they try to flee and go find another group I suppose.

Jokes aside, if you really want to get them into other shit, offer to run a one shot in a different system.
Do that a few times, broaden their horizons without them even knowing until they're going 'Yeah, I rather like blue cheese and wine'

>>96030311
You're supposed to not be completely fucking retarded. Since that's clearly too much to ask: the point wasn't, "Talking to them is bad", but "The things you were talking about were not at all conductive to getting them to try a new system."

>>96030382
Lol okay. What am I supposed to talk about when introducing a new system anon. Enlighten me please.

>>96030382
Also his advice had nothing to do with "talking with my friends" it was about setting up an impromptu game and not trying to run a straight fantasy game (which is good advice).
Its like you didn't read anything and are just being a shitheel to be a shitheel.

>>96030388
>Alright fuckheads, stop eating paste, I'm running a one shot so you degenerate, godless fucks can be clothed in the trappings of civilization rather than playing 5e until the heat death of the universe
>The set up is you bucktoothed cocksuckers have been kidnapped by a snake cult and not the sexy kind, oh no, the James Earl Jones ki-yes Carla I know that's the sexy kind for you, but let me finish
>Here's eight character sheets, there's 5 of you and the other three are going to have already been consumed alive in front of you by the Serpent Go-Carla if your hands go under this table I'm nailing them to it, so help me, I'm not fucking around. Look they sacrifice someone every new moon and you're running out of NPCs to nudge to the front of the queue
>Everyone pick a piece of paper from these two piles, first is a piece of information your character knows that could be helpful, second is a piece of gear you've managed to get into your cell
>The night of the dark of the moon draws near, tonight however a new crop of slaves has been brought in and the youngest and stupidest of the Jailers has been left in charge, hands up who wants to have been the one that managed to trick him and get the keys, Dave, Jake, rock paper scissors to see which of you did it, best 2 out of 3, as you begin your...
>Escape from the Temple of the Serpent God!
Remove or add insults/slurs as necessary, throw on some Conan OST in the background and it'll work.

>>96030414
>just reiterates >>96030079
>but with naughty words this time and a fake scenario to boot.
Yeah... again just dropping a game on people is passive aggressive and rude. Just because I want to run the game dosen't mean my players want to play it.
I'll keep talking to them about it and hopefully I'll convince them to try it after getting them through a frostgrave campaign.

>>96030472
>Just dropping a game on people is passive aggressive and rude
Ahh, so you're asking us how to introduce people to new games while also being a hypersocialized cephalopod.
See, you need to include the bit you didn't say out loud if you want the advice to be useful.

In that case, can't help you, you've reached the point where assertiveness is rude and daring to question a comfort zone is an act of aggression, so you're well over the event horizon.
You'd have to unfuck yourself before you could take the advice I gave for what it is and that's not going to happen, so, good luck I suppose.

>>96030495
I don't know about how you and your "friends" work anon but we schedule our game sessions and what we are playing so that we can prep our stuff well ahead of time. We're adults with work and obligations after all.
It would be very rude of me to say "hey we're playing DnD tonight" only to drop a game they don't know or don't want to play. The fact that you don't understand this is baffling. The fact that me having courtesy for my friends and what they like is some kind of deep psychological flaw is also baffling. The fact that you can't seem to have any advice besides "lol just force them to play it" is, again, baffling. Its almost like you have never actually tried to get your friends to play a game before.

>>96030538
Yes, except that's not what I'm saying to do.
If that's what you thought I meant then I apologize, you're completely right that ambushing them with it when they think it's the usual game would be bullshit.

Give them plenty of warning in advance that you are going to be running a one/two/three shot using a different system, but when the time comes be firm and get investment by putting them in an immediate, high stakes and recognizable situation based on genre conventions they can easily pick up on.
It also helps to give them a small 'bottle situation' rather than leaving them trapped by excessive amounts of decision making and if you can give them a chance to be a bit bad-ass early on (Taking out the guard before the game even starts and having some, but not too much, gear) then you can get immediate investment.

Meme factor aside, don't give them the elevator pitch, don't dance around it, don't go 'wouldn't it be fun if-'
Go 'In two weeks time we're not having our usual kegger, I'm bringing wine and I'm bringing cheese and if you hate it then for fuck sake it's only one night and it won't kill you to try something new, will it'

Ambushing them would be a terrible idea, but, with plenty of forewarning, you can just drop them into a one shot come the designated night.
And yeah, it requires some assertiveness to stand your ground when someone inevitably goes 'Can't we just continue our usual campaign though?' which will happen on the night it (and always at the last minute, bet your life on it), but that's why you make it clear what's happening well before, so when they do show up you can go 'I told you tonight wasn't the usual campaign, you're here, grab a sheet nerd'.

>>96030572
See, I asked you several times for clarification and you had to be a pissy patty about it. You should really try not to do that.
I had already gotten some good advice previously ITT that I'm going to use along with my own judgment.
Also your apology can go straight back up that asshole you call a face.

Gonna let the thread die now. Thanks guys.

>>96030630
>Also your apology can go straight back up that asshole you call a face.
Oh well in that case, double over and go back to sucking your own dick I suppose.
You don't want help, or advice, you want to bitch about how your group are retarded and you're a helpless little babbie who can do nothing but go along with their bullshit? Go ahead.
But don't whine when you get an actual fucking answer.

>I asked you for clarification
Funny given that was my first post in this thread.

>>96030642
>barges into an anonymous conversation
>picks up only part of it and tries to poorly reiterate the same point where earlier in the conversation clarification was asked for
>reiterated advice is again refused
>acts like a twat after that
You should read a comment chain before jumping in and making an ass of yourself. Faggot.

>>96030635
Now that OP is gone let's keep dunking on how much we hate 5e players. I'll go first
THEY STINK

>>96029954 (OP)
It's essentially impossible. You can use the internet or local gaming stores to find people who want to play things that aren't 5e, but overall everyone has their favorite thing and for most people it's going to be whatever the flavor of the season is- AD&D for most of the 90s, White Wolf in the middle/late 90s, 3.X and d20 for many years, then Pathfinder or 4e for a bit, and then once 5e moved in it's just been that.

The only real debate right now is, 5.0 purism, 5.5 core-only, or some hybrid system between the two?

Anyway, you'll need different people in almost every case. If you bring the new game up and be like, "I'd like to run a game using these rules, is anyone interested" and get three positive responses within three days, then your table is able to try it. If everyone ignores that, then it's not gonna work.

>>96030699
I hope your friends trap you in 5e's pastel coloured non-binary Californian Barista with a social sciences degree hell from here to eternity anon.
Because you're clearly a cunt and deserve nothing better in life.

>>96030763
I think the earlier post calling it a lifestyle game was the best point. It's easy to see why. Assume you start with a game that your friends are playing. It's likely to be D&D 5e, in which case, you might never try any other game. But lets pretend your friends are playing literally anything else, and you like it.
At some point after that, you're going to play again. Maybe it'll be the same game as the first time, or maybe it'll be something else. Since most of TTRPGs are 5e, it's likely to be 5e.
So even if you started playing something else, eventually you'll be at a table with a bunch of 5e people, and if anyone pitches something else, you'll be the only guy who is game for it.

Anyway, many of the posts in the thread give good ideas and I hope they work for some tables. 5e isn't terrible but the fact that it's such a burden to ever try anything else is kinda terrible.

>>96029954 (OP)
It's very hard to get people to switch from a game they enjoy, and don't have a problem with. It's like being the one guy playing poker that won't shut the fuck up about how he'd rather be playing bridge. Without a compelling reason, you're the problem.

So find some compelling reasons. However, since Barbarians of Lemuria occupies a similar fantasy adventure game space, your pitch is realistically dead on arrival.

You would have more luck if it were a wildly different genre. People are more amenable to trying a SW game for SF, or CoC for horror, than playing some asshole's pet system that isn't dramatically more fun than D&D.

>>96030630
>>96030538
>>96030472
>>96030388
>>96030311

Holy shit, how does someone this stupid even run a game?

>>96030414
Bitches for Thulsa Doom

>>96030630
You shouldn't need the clarification to "not be a dumbass." This is all very basic social interaction and common sense stuff. Frankly the more you talk the more I get the impression that you're probably one bad session from not being informed the game venue changed.

>>96029954 (OP)
As someone who used to "play" D&D 5e, what got me to eventually move on from it was the incessant deflection whenever I tried to criticize its faults in discussion circles.
Since the only "good" thing about D&D is how you can rewrite it to do what you want, I learned it's better to make what I want for free, than to waste money on a physical copy or hard drive space on a .pdf.

But everyone is different, and from my time talking to people here, most of them don't want to make their own game in spite of the heavy insistence to "just rewrite what you don't like bro".

God, I can't believe I'm gonna do this a give the Adult response.

If they have made you the "Forever DM", sit them down and tell them you are tired of DMing 5e and want to try something else. If they want you to continue as DM, you get to pick the rules system. Otherwise, they can pick someone else to take up the reins of DMing the 5e game.

If they can't deal with those options, then find some new friends to play with who are more open minded. Go to your FLGS and post up a "looking for players" notice (most game stores have a board for this).

>>96032473
It wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't so arrogant.
Being stupid isn't wrong in and of itself.
Being an asshole when people are trying to give you advice, after you asked for advice though?

>>96030242
okay, you're gonna call me crazy and maybe it's best that you convince it isn't true, if you do that they won't show up. I've seen it. They'll make some excuse and skip that session. And if it was more than one week, they might drop the group all together by the time the person trying something concedes and goes back to D&D.

>>96030299
yes
D&D is a sect

>>96031946
>Since most of TTRPGs are 5e, it's likely to be 5e.
this is not true
I have no clue how you'd think this is the case

>>96034702
If that happens you turn up at their house and throw small rocks and bits of brick at their windows until they stop being retarded.

Jokes aside, if your players are that much of a group of little shits then frankly? You're better off finding a new group because there's clearly no reciprocity going on.

>>96034767
the ones I have in mind were decent dudes, 30+ so everyone has their own excuses about work and family and shit now and then. But when someone run something different they all had something to do. And it wasn't like the main campaign was ultra exciting and the divorced dude was skipping his weekend with the kids to see if his drow paladin survived, it was pretty shitty. But it had some weird inertia that you could see leaving their bodies when the discussion of playing another thing happened. I wasn't the one proposing other games, I found out everyone else also ditched the session afterwards.

Right now I'm playing with other people and they're discussing making the whfrpg campaign every other week and setting up a different thing in between. People who play other systems are open to variety, D&D does weird shit to your brain or something.

>>96029954 (OP)
for how long have they been playing d&d?
At least I joined a group where almost all of us were new to ttrpgs, we played a campaign over a year, it was very easy for everyone to switch to playing other games.

>>96030079
>Try something that isn't fantasy
>names three works of fantasy

>>96029954 (OP)
you can't, kill yourself instead

>>96034702
If my friends just bailed on me and refuses to even *try* something that would take nearly zero effort from them, then I wouldn't game with them anymore. Zero games are better than games you hate.

>>96036166
yeah, a lot of people stop playing for that reason.

>>96029954 (OP)
Say you're running a one-shot of X system, have pregens.

Probably a system that's not just "D&D but better," though.

>>96030388
Players will crawl over a system made of broken glass to play in a cool setting (see: Exalted, Eclipse Phase, Cthulhutech). They do not care about the mechanics.

The mechanics *matter* - they're why 5e is such a shit system - but the way the mechanics matter is far beyond the awareness of the average player. They can only realize the mechanics suck/are good after playing the game, which requires a pitch about something else, i.e. the setting.

>>96036219
>cool setting
>Exalted, Eclipse Phase, Cthulhutech
yikers.

>>96036245
Those games got multiple editions and have had plenty of discussion and play for a reason, anon, and it sure as shit ain't the fucking rules. Your personal taste is irrelevant.

>>96029954 (OP)
trust me, it wont work.
I finally got them to play a different system and they went back to DnD after the campaign. They hacked it up to be more like the setting we just played. Despite, you know, they just played the perfect system for it a few days ago.

>>96029954 (OP)
Don't run anything borderline kitchen sink fantasy or d20. Get them into something that is interesting and is a completely different game to D&D.
You need to show them that 'couldn't we have just used 5e for this' doesn't work.
My longest consistently running game (nearly every sunday for now close to nine years) was the following:
D&D -> Deadlands -> Rogue Trader -> Pulp Cthulhu -> Shadow of the Demon Lord -> Mork Borg -> Cyberpunk Red -> Lancer -> Dark Heresy
This is on top of a smattering of oneshots.
In fact, run more oneshots, find games that you can finish in one to two sessions that drip with flavor and go. Run Eat the Reich or Chaos Breach or something of that ilk.

>>96030538
>we schedule our game sessions and what we are playing so that we can prep our stuff well ahead of time
"Hey guys, in two weeks instead of running D&D I'm going to take you on an adventure in a different genre, here are my three genres I have in my holsters, choose the one that sounds the most interesting."
That simple if you're not retarded.

>>96030299
I'm in a group that finished a game of DnD and the GM continued the campaign. We finished the goal of the campaign, defeated the Big Evil, everyone was about to finish up their characters, but GM said we aren't done.
You can tell everyone was silent when the needle dropped and they already lost interest when there was no surprise twist villain and no extra goal, like what the fuck are we to do? We continued out of niceness bumbling through the sessions, but this has been going for weeks and everyone is too confused to say anything.

>>96036523
Just say that a good tv show doesn't jump the shark and you're now willing to take the reigns and run something.

>>96030299
I like trying new systems but I hate when the GM has game-itis syndrome: that's when they run a game for like one to four sessions and then abruptly change to the next new system they want to try out so you never get far in any single game.

>>96036554
If they're posing it as effectively demos of systems that's alright, or are they selling you a year long campaign and killing it after 4 sessions?

>>96036583
Is more like
>"Lets try this!"
>First adventure ends
>"Lets try THIS!"
And so on. They're interesting systems and games but I feel empty when It just abruptly ends.

>>96036219
this is a big thing too
I've been enjoying WHFRPG for a few months, I like the mechanics even if we struggled to know what to whenever we did something for the first time, but the selling point was "you can play as a rat catcher and that's the expected social value of any starter character".

>>96036523
It can be done if you amassed plot as you went, but not every GM can pull it off.
To follow that anon's tv example, Buffy had a couple great closure finales and the season after that went hard enough to make them forgetable. Angel killed an interdimensional god of pure happiness (that required a ton of human sacrifice to produce that, but still), the next season he's given the keys to the operation of his biggest enemies, great hook, you wanna see where it goes, it's not bigger it's just something you didn't think could happen to the character.

Both shows also petered out when they failed to find new ramps to make that shark jumping interesting.

>>96036554
I have a bit of that desu, but I run one shots in a moderately big discord server to get it off my system. I haven't found anything that I'd be interested in running for more than half a year yet to be desu

>>96036219
There are systems far more incompetently designed than 5e.

>>96036554
Im guilty of this. Trying to break myself of it but my ADHD ass gets distracted by new shineys really easily.

However Im finally running my great white buffalo game and the group is enjoying it, so I think I'm going to run it until they're sick of it.

>>96036744
Thankfully, I've never played them.

5e is a game with no rules for anything outside of combat, and also, the combat is bad.

>>96036768
There's an entire world of trivially broken 90s dicepool dogshit. But if we ignore indiejank and tie-in slop, it's a cute about Shadowrun's 5th edition which is all but unplayable without reams of errata.

5e is fine. It's competent, and has a gameplay loop that basically works if it stays in its lane. This is more than you can say of many, many games.

>>96036877
5e's main problem is that it's slop, nothing with enough identity to make it stand out besides brand recognition. People who start with it and never try anything else that matches their own particular preferences end up with the idea that all ttrpgs are the same slop with nothing to offer above an okay rating. When people talk about it being good they end up talking about how much fun they have with their friends, something that could happend with anything they do. Just like another anon mentioned in this thread that before trying another game they prefered to just play vidja with their buds.

>>96036744
I’ve heard people on here unironically say FATAL is better than 5e. 5e has enormous flaws and issues but is leagues better than FATAL. This is not high praise.

>>96029954 (OP)
with this one simple trick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ

>>96037378
What does that have to do with D&D?

>>96029954 (OP)
Your best bet it to find nerdy people in your life who don't play tabletop and convince them to let you run a game for them.
Then once they are onboard say something along the lines of "D&D is the most popular game out there but it only does a certain type of game about being larder than life fantasy hero well" then list off other games for various different genres or subgenres like Cyberpunk, or Call of Cthulhu, Traveler and so on. Its also best practice to compare the game to various media properties they would be aware of like Traveler to Firefly.
Then you find a game you can all enjoy together based on what people want to play because 9 time out of 10 super heroes but with elves is less appealing than a spy thriller, detective work, Game of Thrones like or other such things.

Then if they enjoy playing, even if they get sucked into the D&D black hole later on, the sheer fact that they have at least one other game they played and enjoy will make them more receptive to more in the future.

>>96037418
*beep boop*

>>96037537
Okay, glad you admitted to being a bot…

>>96037589
take your meds

>>96029954 (OP)
>>96037378
Castles and Crusades seems like an alternate timeline D&D. Witch seems wyrd given that 6e is the current edition. So not to sure. How are you finding it?
Though it doesn't seem to get brough up much these dais.

>>96036877
>5e is fine. It's competent, and has a gameplay loop that basically works if it stays in its lane. This is more than you can say of many, many games.
No, 5e is not "fine." I've played 5e, and run it. It was the worst RPG experience of my life, from both sides of the table. The combat is as slow as Exalted 3e and as flat as Monsterhearts, the worst of both worlds. And, as I pointed out, there are no rules in 5e for anything other than combat, not even dungeon crawling.

>>96029954 (OP)
deadearth can be a pretty fun way to waste an evening with some buds
happy gaming!

>>96037716
Let’s be real with all the different editions, names, and half editions we’re really up to 10e+ at this point.

>>96037740
The worst rpg experience I had was burning wheel. You can do worse than 5e but you can do a lot better.

>>96037901
Some people, including in the OSR, are panicking over the possibility that Hasbro will just shut down official Dungeons and Dragons.
It's a real possibility, but I don't share any pessimism about it.

>>96037936
>panicking over the possibility that Hasbro will just shut down official Dungeons and Dragons
I haven't heard about this. I thought it was making them money. I mean all they have to do is shit out a couple awful books every year like they're already doing. I know 5.5e didn't sell that well no matter what spin they try to put on it. But how expensive is printing some shitty books for retards by retards?

>>96037967
NTA but basically every effort to expand the brand directly from the game itself fell through.
So the last Hail Mary is trying to get the public to accept AI made content in the books to slash the manpower costs even more and if that doesn't work D^D will become a IP to farm out to other companies.

>>96038063
That just seems unlikely to me. They don't have to actively update the core game, they could license a company(s) to convert old D&D content to 5.5 or recreate a Dragon Magazine again and would very much keep active in the public eye with minimal effort. Normal games don't have that type of support content to exploit but a TTRPG does.

>>96038069
Anon where have you been, Hasbro for the last couple of years has treated Wizards as a bloodbank to keep themselves alive. All but the most profitable products (MtG) as getting shelved to make the line go up.
Your right in that they might bring those back, but it will not be by anyone in Wizards directly, they are currently a skeleton crew as it is with all the head designer's having left this year despite voicing interest in future planes just a month before leaving.
Licensing out the IP doesn't mean more books or various merch and games will not be made, its just means that if the AI shit doesn't fly the in-house team is getting canned.

>>96038103
This exact scenario was on the table in 2011. It's why Mearls had the freedom to make 5E with minimal meddling, since it was a hail mary to save the ttrpg.

>>96038118
The difference is that 5.5 just came out filling that essentials slot. So the question is will Modern clinging to The Line for dear life Hasbro let the D&D team make a 6e or not?
Sadly I would be surprised if they did.

>>96038149
I've never been sure TTRPGs have a large market cap really, the idea D&D (or the industry at large) can be a billion dollar kind of brand also seemed fictitious to me.
Big Bang Theory, Critical Roll, Stranger Things, all that stuff appeals to transitory audiences, they never (or almost never) generate real fans. Executive types think this new influx is the true core base and starts pandering to people who never really cared.
the transitory audience does what it always does and leaves, and the original product is left a husk of itself because it alienated it's core base.
Then someone gets thrown in there, revives what was otherwise a dead product or franchise to the real fans, D&D then gets referenced again by [insert whatever is popular at the time] and rinse repeat.

>>96038153
That's a good way to look at it.
I just think 6e or whatever its equivalent is going to be will be made by a third party that got the license rather than anyone in Wizards proper.

>>96038165
The ttrpg might get hibernated, although I'm sure it will still be available for sale no matter what. Just no new stuff until WotC either licenses out the game to a third party or releases a completely new edition of the game in about 10 years, featuring ground-breaking rules and ideas. They'd have to hire a competent design team way before then, of course. The D&D IP will continue to be pushed, though, in the form of video games, toys, merch, and the like.

>>96030158
Barbarians of Lemuria is utter dogshit so that's probably why they didn't want to play it.

>>96029954 (OP)
Do a one-shot. Have a bunch of premades ready, teach them the rules as they play, and then go back to 5E next week. If you aren't the DM, your DM will probably love getting to play for once. If you are the DM you time it as kind of an intermission and a special event.
The one-shot is the key to getting groups to branch out. Their only experience with TTRPGs is 5E. They think starting a new TTRPG will be as hard as starting their first TTRPG with 5E. They are afraid they won't like it and they'll have to find a new group. So you let them keep the 5E safety blanket.
You sprinkle in occasional oneshots and over time they will open up to the idea of other games.

>>96034755
>I have no clue how you'd think this is the case

D&D 5e is wildly popular compared to other TTRPGs, so a given person starting to play a TTRPG is extremely likely to be playing 5e as his first game. I guess you can cope and pretend that other games are anywhere near as common, but like, I feel that's a pretty easy argument to win. D&D 5e has its own VTT, then it's usually the number 1 game on all the other VTTs, and it's also more popular in physical space. To land on another TTRPG you either have to know a table playing it and be invited (this happens but its rare) or you have to go seek it out online, which isn't normally how people get their start in TTRPGs.

Most tabletop roleplaying games, today, right now, are 5e D&D, and a player just starting is more likely to land there than anywhere else.

>>96037237
The entire suite of spells is pretty visible and comes online early enough. If you were imagining a magic system from the ground up (as many people have) it wouldn't look all that much like D&D's spell list. Certainly, magicians can make illusions and superheroes can make fireballs, but the list is very iconic and very tied to D&D specifically, and even new players see it.

>>96038165
I think this is kinda likely at this point. The direction everyone kinda guessed 6e was going to take- where its meant to be online on their web page, which would be a highly functional VTT with a lot of stuff it can do for you- is instead what they tried and failed to do with 5.5. At some point someone will make a VTTRPG- playable fully and completely online, designed for that- and everyone assumed it would be Hasbro.

But they've essentially given up. Even their minor celebrity people they'd been platforming are gone now, and the grand project of "lets get everyone together and make 5.0" worked great but they immediately started chopping pieces off, and 5.5 completed the self amputation.

At this point it's more likely just a "valuable license" to them.

>>96036744
So what?
5e markets itself as being "the world's greatest TTRPG", and is even celebrated as such by its fans, until its fans either give up arguing about it or make some form of agree-to-disagree concession (such as "it's fine for what it does" or "just rewrite what you don't like"), only to defend it again in a future argument down the line, as if their previous conversations never happened.

>>96037237
>5e's main problem is that it's slop, nothing with enough identity to make it stand out
Nothing except some of the most expansive fictional universes humanity has ever created, plus all your shitbrew fantasy settings.

>>96037716
Like many decent sized systems, our nicaraguan basket weaving board just memes on it when it's brought up in any serious discussion. It's fine, decent enough core. Funnily enough anyone who has played 5e should slip right on in to playing it, just they'll need to not expect to be superheroes.

>>96029954 (OP)
D&D players will not DM, they just cant do it. As such every D&D game is on life support, held up by a DM that refuses to pull the plug.
Just stop running the crap

>>96041657
>mfw my group has multiple people wanting DM d&d and other games

>>96041983
Same, but I seem to be the only person who wants to do it for longer than 3-6 months at a time. My group does play other games though. We tried VtR which people liked, Dark Heresy but some of them don’t know anything about 40k so were just confused, and I got them to play genesys but everyone seemed to get confused by the dice. I think the genesys dice are pretty straightforward but whatever. To get 5e players to try new systems just ask
>Anyone interested in X campaign
After one ends or as a mini campaign on the side.

The easiest way to intorduce your group to other games is to find some IP they like and pitch a game in that setting with a different system. You might get some poeple saying, "but couldn't we just run this in 5e?" You should pick a setting where 5e does not really work or be thematic for that game.

>>96029954 (OP)
"I want to run this."
"No."
"Alright, I wish you luck finding a new GM, it's been nice gaming with you."

>>96029988
>Part of it is that they already know D&D.
Your average 5e player doesn't even know his class features.

>>96029954 (OP)
>I just got Pic related
Well OP, the issue Is that the book you got Is in Spanish, your players can't even read the title. Go buy a new one in English and try again.

>>96045576
How American of you to assume that everyone speaks English, and that Spanish isn't his native language.

>>96047588
It was clearly a joke…right?

>>96047588
For 42 million US Americans, Spanish IS their native language.

My GM does it in a weird way that strangely works. The systems are treated as a strange multiverse, and the GM has his own GMPC with shared appearances among his games.
I thought this GM is going to be absolute shit but I quickly figured out the 'multiverse' is just a way to make players pay attention if they see a NPC that has a similar design to their DnD characters, and the GMPC is a support or healer NPC. The GMPC leaves the game when everyone is settled in the system.

>>96047588
English website Eurocuck