Thread 96056608

Bitter edition

Previous Heresy:>>96053430

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3
https://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://imgur.com/a/8EaFmTM

>New Edition Soon™
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>TQ: On a scale from Ullanor to the Drop Site Massacre, how over is it?

FAITH CHECK, WORD BROS

>>96056608 (OP)
>tq
Better than 2.0 lmfao

Praying that deathguard have escaped unscathed because my IW and BA sure as shit haven't

>>96056523
>>96056523
Here you go anon.

>>96056623
Lorgar still has one of the best primarch weapons. He no longer provides stupid good unit buffs.

>>96056608 (OP)
Show me Palatine Blades, I need to know if Im going to kill myself

time to go back
also damn when was the last time hhg was this active ? i think even 2ed didn't see us reaching image limit at

>>96056630
>mfw my armies are Iron Warriors and Death Guard.
I may be in trouble here.

Hydra dominatus bitches.

>>96056623
It's honestly disheartening to see that despite having honestly very good core rules, I am just looking at these libers and asking what the fuck
Some units kept varied loadouts, some had them removed. If I didn't know any better I would say it's ai generated lmao

>>96056630
leaker chuds hate poop marines, so no leaks for us

>>96056631
Here's the other one as well.

>>96056658
I don't know where the good core rules idea came from - the core rules are all over the place. Is it just copium?

>Deathwing Companions are Eternal Warrior 1 and get Terranic Greatswords still

I'm feeling so good this edition!

>>96056630
Bro I'm MEGA scared for Power Scythes. They're going to get ultramogged by Frost Blades of S+3 AP2 D2

>>96056625
proof

>>96056653
What even is their Legion Trait?

>>96056668
I think the core rules have good ideas in them overall,the only genuine issue I have is deep strike,but that can be easily house ruled to allow charge

Ahriman being a decent melee fighter isn't what I was expecting this edition. Between his cool stick and duellist edge (2) from his divination and the fact he's WS6 instead of 5 now, he might be a nice bonk model

>>96056631
>>96056663
Thank you so much anon!

partial traitor rules from glorious leaker anon
>partial traitor rules from glorious leaker anon
partial traitor rules from glorious leaker anon
>partial traitor rules from glorious leaker anon
partial traitor rules from glorious leaker anon
>partial traitor rules from glorious leaker anon

>>96055775
https://imgur.com/a/8qfcxGu

>>96056623
Malificarum in my thread??

>>96056694
where is père fouras ?

Will give it a game at least but i suspect its over with chainaxes being ass now, and my shelf full of converted WE despoilers striking second in most combats

>>96056608 (OP)
>primarchs have even less flavor now

>>96056685
I mean, I find the challenge shit way to bloated and distracting, force-org changes seem like they open stuff up but actually restrict quite a lot and we lost all rules from RoWs. The statuses are fine but I can live without them, deep strike sucks, charge changes kinda suck, combat resolution kinda sucks, changes to heavy weapons suck... I dunno, I ain't seeing much. My highest hopes were for IM and AM, and the latter is used so sparingly that it might as well be a special rule, and it's still so limited that the big, heavy weapons are pretty much always the best option, same as ever.

>>96056694
WHERE ARE THE ALPHA LEGION TACTICS AND DETACHMENT PAGES REEE

>>96056623
I dunno man

Can't wait to pack up my shit and never touch it again. I've got other cool shit to paint and play that isn't mogged by James and their shitty forced editions.
>mfw finally free from James now that HH is kill

>GW was so worked by all the "my special ammo bolters can equip bayonets" arguing that they just deleted everyone's special bolts
lole

>>96056759
What's stopping you from playing 2.0?

>>96056759
See you next month.

>>96056608 (OP)
Wait can you not take praetors on bikes or jump packs anymore? Like can i take a librarian or a Chaplin on bike?

the titan rules do look good; for once

>>96056759
See ya soon Anon!

>>96056777
People not playing 2.0 and also the fact that I can just play a better game. It's not like 2.0 is good, but it is somehow better than this shit

>>96056708
Only Legion Wargear can save us now

>>96056643
Hell yeah

>>96056737
TheY are *REDACTED*

>>96056805
But 1.0 is superior to 2.0

>>96056762
They also made bayonets shit so no one takes them
Gotta make sure

>>96056736
Half of what you mentioned is the fault of libers being shit,not core rules though
I think charges are fine, they're more consistent and the removal of sweeping advance is a god send, because it was bullshit you could just sweep the enemy after bad combat round, now instead you can either gun them down or charge them again, which makes a lot more sense.
Challenges are more of a skub topic,besides If you don't want to do them, there's nothing stopping you.
Also you can charge out of rhinos and stuff,but you get disordered charges
Statuses are good, especially because they split characteristics, with fearless and stubborn being gone and replaced with really high stats, so you can still break really resilient troops If you apply ungodly amount of pressure on them

Legacies will save us

>>96056823
superiorly ass, ya

>>96056759
I don't believe you

I saw Ahriman last thread, anything else known for TSons?

>>96056823
>>96056833
Both had their major problems with them.
1.0 being parking lot simulator with pie plates of AP3 and AP2 all over the place
2.0 has its issues all centered around reactions

>>96056845
everything

>>96056823
Yet no one played it after 2.0 came out. I expect nothing less than the same to happen with 3.0.

Rolled 6, 2 = 8 (2d6)

>>96056623
>WP 9

>>96056845
They’re the winners so far. All the Prosperine stuff is full psychic tables.

>>96056832
But I am already saved. You can be too.

>>96056845
major glow up. They actually look like battle wizards now, not children's magicians.

>>96056853
You clearly haven't paid any attention to all the anons posting about how their group has stuck to playing 1.0

>>96056856
i am one click away from buying another army from cdr; don't you tempt me

>>96056849
How to houserule and fix 2.0?

>>96056608 (OP)
Salamanders at the cost of getting a buff, have lost MASSIVELY. We can no longer take dragon breath flamers in larger numbers. This is retarded. I wish we didn’t get the buff to the flamer and just increased the strength instead like old. Can’t take flamers with breachers. WTF WTF WTF

>>96056608 (OP)
>TQ
The good
>You can make a much more customized force via slots. Weapons have reasons to take variety.
>The bad
Boxlock, status spam, vehicles
>Ugly
Everything toned down for simplicity and lost a lot of soul.

>>96056857
Buy an ad, roonigger

>>96056845
Have you ever wanted to turn boxnaughts and HSS into psykers? Well now you can!

>>96056876
>Get better versions of ever major weapon
>Flamers get better overall, and yours are damage 2
>Still cry like a bitch because you have no literacy

>>96056857
(you) since you keep posting this every thread.

>>96056882
Who hurt you

>>96056694
I am glad Banestrike combi-bolters went from 1 rerollable shot at 18", to 4.
I will call it a sidegrade because Banestrike goes down to S4 as it should, but it should also pierce power armour instead of only on 6s, because Headhunters lose the access to combis, and because they go from 3A to 1A (though they shouldn't be in melee in the first place)

>>96056873
I'm working on a list, it's going to max at 3 pages of 12p font. Things like old deepstrike with scatter blobs mishap, hard limits on reactions, reactions changes, scaling FOC, etc. I'm not touching armies, self police that and don't be a dingus. Goal is evergreen 2.X list of suggestions. I'll manually port over new units, options, and weapons in a minimal as possible format in a separate doc.

>>96056915
>I'm not touching armies
Even more DOA than every other set of fanrules that isn't pano

>Fulgrim vanilla has WP 10 IN 10
>Fulgrim Transfigured has WP 12 IN 8
Well, would you look at that. An actual concrete mathematically proven instance of bimbofication in my wargame.

>>96056845
Sekhmet sheet no longer states what armor they have to be in

>>96056857
>~30k subs
>~4k views per video
how embarrasing!

>>96056925
Go back to your trannycord, YWNBAW

>>96056896
What part of only sergeants can take the flamers don’t you understand? I clearly stated I want to go back where any model could take one. Are you willfully ignoring that part I mention?

>>96056831
Even so, they're rules-based. Or where they aren't, it's still on GW.
Sweep was overpowered, but now we have:
- Unfailable charge via set-up move (this is good)
- Volley fire (This is bad - slows things down and benefits shooting over melee. Also, as has been pointed out, can fuck the charge if it goes well)
- Combat itself, largely unchanged
- Gun them down (Nice thematically, but is now the alternative to sweep but once again benefits shooting over melee. Why is melee being turned into shooting?)
- Pursue (Solid, but really just keeps a fight going/self-tarpitting)
>Challenges are more of a skub topic,besides If you don't want to do them, there's nothing stopping you.
Except that they made refusing a challenge so punishing that you may as well pack up the unit if you don't accept.

>>96056857
AL player, but I'm still going to look at his rules
because I also wanted to start a WE force, and they got raped

supposedly some mechanicum rules have leaked, especoally the thanatar

anyone know any further about this?

>>96056939
Absolutely mindbroken

>>96056925
Listen I'm not going to be like circle or pan, if you like them then go for it. I'm not going to get into arguments over changes to RoWs or units.

The goal is as few changes as possible not a rewrite so it's easy to digest. Print out 3 pages and done. If you like it, try Panoptica for more stuff. I love the mini RoWs it has for example. I'm not trying to compete, just trying to make 2.0 a better version of itself.

>>96056873
There is a laundry list of thing, but off the top of my head
>Brutal as a rule changes, instead is a single save that inflect x amount of wounds, none of this "You have to make x amount of saves for each wound roll" bullshit.
>Heavy weapons snap fire in a reaction unless the model shooting them has a rule explicitly saying they can move and shoot heavy weapons with out penalty.
>Artificer armor can only take a number of saves equal to your characters init meaning an I4 model gets 4 saves.
>Power axe goes to Init -1 rather then unweildly
>A unit my only make a single reaction in a player turn none of this a single unit can intercept, return fire, and over watch all in one go, fuck off.
>Las canons lose sunder
>Vechicles cant be imobilized if they have more then half their HP remaining
>Vehicles cant explode unless they have 1/4th or less of their HP remaining
>Vehicles all get like 50% more hullpoints
>Outriders get battle hardened 1 possibly a second wound
>Rework of all psyker powers.

>>96056896
How the fuck is only being able to use your legion weapon on sergeants good? Its fucking lame

I know the auxilia are out there just dont know if they have been found yet

>>96056635
"I wish Lorgar was good!"
He's now boring

>>96056966
You mean like how most legion weapons work rn?

>>96056935
And get RACs, what a good day.

>>96056981
He's not good either...

>>96056935
Almost none of the entries state what armor they're in, except Saturnine
It's a bit annoying

>>96056984
Oh wow, you're right anon! That makes it good now, actually.

>>96056960
Not the anon, but this fixes most things bar a few key misses.

>>96056935
KINDA, cataphractii is now Slow and Purposeful + heavy and M6, but tartaros has none of those

So if I understand correctly, transfigured primarchs get marginally better in melee, lose all bonuses given to their armies, and go up massively in points?

>>96056988
I'm going to rip out your heart and eat it you effeminate redditor.

>>96057017
yes
lorgar might be an exception

>>96056984
Actually this leans into my argument. All units should keep their old customizable lists. Bring the dragon breath down a notch, I’d argue less damage but higher strength. Same rules apply to all legions to get their cool shit back. Maybe I want breachers and flamers? We had all this. It’s gone. Who gives a fuck if Sallies got a buff. It came at the cost of the fucking soul of the game.

They made it less obviously embarrassing for Pert.

>>96057026
i lament as well, sallie bro.

Can we get rules for javelins and standard speeders please?

also looking for Justaerin and Reavers

Maybe the real Era of Ruin was the edition changes along the way

Anon are you lost

>>96057024
Lorgar can't transfigure
No models no rules

>>96056944
> Except that they made refusing a challenge so punishing that you may as well pack up the unit if you don't accept
I more so referred to the fact that you don't even have to declare challenges, be it yourself or your friend, if you dislike doing it

so whats the AL detachment?

i'm getting mixed signals here
some imply they dont get a detachment and can just pick whatever they want in any slot
some imply its a detachment but has that same effect
some imply its a normal detachment but your prime slot can be a stolen unit

>>96057017
basically, yes. they’re maybe a little bit better at dueling other primarchs but are much better at fucking off on their own to go kill elite units or vehicles

Did any of the praetor/cent command squads get leaked?

>>96057027
That's still pretty embarrassing

Corvidae tacticals showing up with rending 5 fury of the legion:

>>96056944
>- Volley fire (This is bad - slows things down and benefits shooting over melee.
It's basically just pistol and shotguns, I don't think I've even seen any more assault weapons
This and gun them down benefits the special pistols that melee units can take more than anything

Fulgrim lost Fireblade :^(

>gw has fully embraced primarchs as one dimensional deathstar beatsticks
dont worry guis they give your army special rules for one turn!

>>96057074
He had lost it before istvaan anyway

>>96057058
WP is for psychic nonsense anon

>>96057059
Have you tried reading

>>96057063
A huge chunk of the basic units have not been leaked

>>96057057
sure, but "If both players agree not to, you can just not do it" applies to literally every part of the game and so I don't see how that really helps.

>gave away my TS terminators because 2.0 made them shit and I wanted the space for other things
>3.0 makes TS and terminators great again while the army I switch to is invalidated
Lmao. Never get rid of anything, huh?

>>96057058
The criminally insane are not known for their willpower, and he doesn't have the benefit of being marked by khorne like angron

>>96056960
one ive been thinking about for a while now
>replace any instance of atomantic deflector with the boxdred one
>3 wounds instead of d3

>>96057058
>raving schizo lacks willpower
no shit?

>>96057092
Well it's a bit easier than other core rules, just like how you could ignore challenges currently and it wouldn't detract from flow of the game

>>96057073
Yeah, but it scales with BS, benefits from special rules that benefit shooting, and requires investing in guns. Sweep, at least, could scale off your melee skill.

>>96057086
I know but I will still point it out. Until 3.0 has fully rolled out the meme stats will only matter to me as a source of mild amusement. Like Alpharius here having the highest IN in the game.

>>96057059
There is no AL detachment in the leaks
Rewards is a Prime benefit for a Command unit. It's basically logistical benefit but you can take a unit from another legion that is not unique

>>96056944
>Except that they made refusing a challenge so punishing that you may as well pack up the unit if you don't accept.
Only vs NL lmao. Its literally just I1, if youre going 2nd it literally doesent matter.

>>96057122
I mean where is the lie, Alpharius is a smart boy.

>>96057112
okay, if we ignore them, 3.0 challenges are equal to 2.0 challenges.
If we play with them, I find 3.0 to take longer, be more (somewhat needlessly) complex, with a much more punishing downside if you refuse.

So they're the same in one regard, and one's much worse in the other. Overall...

>>96057074
Have you tried actually reading everything you fucking spaz
I'm so sick of 90% of doomposting here about model losing x is because people just haven't read any of the leaks

>>96057129
It halves your WS too.

>>96057073
Volkite chargers and some flamers too

3.0 challenges are more complex but significantly fewer than 2.0 challenges

>>96057144
fireblade isn't on there

>>96057144
Fireblade isnt the gun, it was a second sword option he had besides the blade of the laer.

>>96057144
try reading yourself, he said fireblade not firebrand.

>>96057144
It's why I just can't take any of the doomposting seriously, it's just all niggers who can't read or about things we have no complete info about

It's funny to think about 2 guys with melta guns can disintegrate a primarch
Eternal warrior decreases damage taken by that amount but each melta does 6 damage at melta range, so even with the decrease you can still pretty much kill any primarch with a bit of luck, unless they show one that has 9 wounds

>>96057149
>Volkite chargers
true that
>Flamers
only the flamer pistol iirc, which is not great desu

>>96057162
Only Morty and Vulcan can take two meltaguns to the face.

>>96057059
We don’t have the AL legion trait or detachments yet

>>96057157
>>96057155
>>96057154
Seems I'm the retard who can't read today, but my point still stands about people not reading the leaks properly

>>96056979
>He can swap his bolt pistol for a bolter
Kino

Tyrant krak missiles got an enormous downgrade. Going from Heavy 2 to D2 means you're killing three MEQ a turn, down from seven. Or zero terminators a turn, down from one. Gaining a point of strength is meaningless, it's just the old LA trait except now it's baked in.

>>96057162
Not sure but i think melta may only be vs vehicles?

I NEED ATRAPOS RULES
my little guy only saw action once for the entirety of 2.0, are knights safe? Are they alright?

>>96057162
You got it backwards
Eternal warrior 2 doesn't reduce damage by 2
It means that the maximum damage you can take is 2

>>96057162
If they are alone out sire a unit, sure
But they are normally gonna be surrounded by 4++ mooks

>>96057190
No they stated melta having double damage is universal, back when they showed weapons,armourbane is just baked in bonus in melta keyword

>>96057089
>A huge chunk of the basic units have not been leaked

I know, I just saw breachers and Praetor last thread and was hoping Cents, Moritats, and Retinues were hiding somewhere

>>96057192
for the love of god people, become literate

>>96057189
How about you shoot missiles at vehicles instead of MEQs?

>>96057192
Oh ok, yeah that does make them resilient against everything then

>>96057213
It would if it was real

>Thousand Sons get a new consul
>it's actually cool
Neat.

>>96057211
>>96057213
Or not
Lmao

I'm really annoyed by the lack of options on the Warsmith (and many other things). The new model isn't the greatest, so I had no interest in using it and planned on kitbashing my own using the Saturnine guy, assuming that 'Warsmith' would still be an upgrade, not a separate profile. I miss Alan Bligh. I didn't think it was possible to miss someone I never met, but I remember following his blog and keeping up with everything he worked on because it was all stellar. He's been gone for a while, but we get further and further away from his foundation.

As a sidenote, I want to play his Mordheim campaign that was shown off after he died by ADB, or was it French? I don't remember now.

>>96057211
Oh
Apologies
It's gay then

>>96057211
I can see how doomposting and misinformation easily spreads in these threads. Even if you directly spoonfeed these retards, instead of an apology, you'll usually get them doubling down or calling it shit anyways.

>>96057205
Nope, very limited generic unit leaks, hopefully when the legion crap is done they can get to that one

How does Precision work?

>>96053453
Here you go. Compare away.

>>96057231
>>96057238
save for one anon, i suppose

>>96057189
At least the frag profile is funny, a unit of ten tyrants standing still outputs 60 s5 shots lmao

>>96057221
Could you please explain what makes it so good?
What I saw was an expensive model with meh weapons that are all over the place in terms of utility

Feels like I made the right call waiting for 3.0 to get into the game. You can’t be disappointed if you never played to begin with

>>96057238
you realise that proof shows the worse of those two interpretations is true?
like, first dude thought that it capped potentially 6 damage to 2, and it was then proven that it only reduces that potential 6 damage by 2, which is a much lower reduction. So the damage done to primarchs by melta is higher, and the doomposting was more accurate.

>Khenetai have the same WP as a tactical marine
Not what I would expect from elite warriors

It really feels like this edition is sink or swim legion wise, you either are broken and really good with your legion rules, or feel completely bland and terrible.

ok guys, just in case THE SAINT LEAKER ANON will go back to us we need these pages:

Pages MISSING:

AL
-row
-detach
-reaction

EC
-everything except normal and transfigured Fulgrim

NL
-everything except konrad

WE
-everything except normal and transfigured Angron

DG
-everything except Mortarion

SoH
-everything except normal Horus

WE
-everything except normal Lorgar

IW DONE
TS DONE

>>96057191
Fellow Atrapos enjoy, it's over. Glances are no saves and a status. The only prime slot option we'll take is mandatory status fixer 4+. Plus WS4 means that marines parry us.

What are the chances of a full-blown revolt by the playerbase over 3.0?

>>96057265
+1 from the legion rule though

>>96056694
IW players who are more experienced than me, what are your thoughts? We still have Bitter Fire but Ironfire is fucked with Arquitors forced on us...
No more easy vehicle killing as well, our standard guys getting expendable seems... underwhelming.

>>96057265
+1

The doomposting is Alpha Legion disinformation
The hopeposting is Alpha Legion disinformation
The copeposting is Alpha Legion disinformation
The leakposting is Alpha Legion disinformation
This post is Alpha Legion disinformation

>>96057265
TS have base +1 for existing. They really always have 8.

>>96057265
+1 with the legion trait
Checks on 8 is pretty reliable considering you'll probably only use it once or twice a game

>>96057249
> Traitors cuck to the shills and tattle tale fags like Pardo
Disgusting

>>96057287
All slots are optional, so you don;t have to take the bombards, it's just that bombards are the only option that can be taken

>>96057290
based and hydra dominatus pilled

>>96057283
Low especially when the supplements start coming out

>>96057283
Negligible to nonexistent.

>>96057211
I can't believe they bragged about Primarch fights no longer being an eternal slap fight when this is on every single one of them with 2 or 3
Any Primarch duels might as well just be put to the side and forgotten about. They are going to lose 1 or maybe 2 W at most. It's be way faster just to shoot them off the table

>>96057303
>Loyalist legions are garbage
>Traitor legions are all good
Idk anon, maybe you should just join the right side of history

>>96057290
can't wait to be on my death bed and see an alpha legionnaire pop up and thank me for the intel

>>96056643
It's because we've gone from any hope to just outright doom.
I'd put my name down for the rulebooks at my FLGS, and heavily thinking of taking it back right now.

>>96057278
Plus 99% of generic units and equipment

>>96057278
WE second time - WB*

>>96057287
Much worse, expect to be loading up on generic units rather than legion ones

>>96057254
I said cool.

>>96057321
IH are so much better than I it's not even funny bro

>>96057321
>Loyalist legions are garbage
>Laughs in RG gunline with stealth Contemptors and conversion beamers deleting your army.

>>96057317
But the duel keeps going if whoever has advantage wants it to. You don’t just do one round of fighting per turn. So they are right that the duel won’t last for very many game turns, it’s just going to take you 45min of real time.

>>96057287
My thoughts? Absolute ass. Never put trust in Andrew "Andy Whore" Hoare.

>>96057326
This is driving me insane. No shade, it's just I have so many generic units.

>>96057287
>No more easy vehicle killing as well
Look at the armoury. Vehicle killing doesn't seem hard at all
The trait is really good

>>96057317
>We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things are otiose in a niche
it is still valid in this day and age

>>96057254
That's exactly it though anon, he's a toolbox
He's a single model with a s5 large blast that causes panic, a 3(4) shot s7 pinning gun, and a s13 armorbane melee attack
He can do a little bit of everything just well enough to be relevant in most situations

Did we get the Space Wolves psychic page? I feel like that's been missed.

Please make that be so unbearably good that Varagyr become less painful

>>96057343
Perturabo's gambit to just shoot them with another unit is looking pretty good now...

>>96057365
Only with melta weapons in short range

Headhunter Leviathal is the detachment for AL, I think. Squinting, it looks like 2 elites and 2 recon. Elites have to be headhunters or Seekers. Not sure if there are any limitations on the recon choices.

>>96057370
You mean your "commune with the world soul" page right?

>>96057249
please show me phoenix termies and palatine blades. give me the final blow so i can cry myself to sleep

>>96057370
Sorry but my TSons psyker will just suck the soul out of your rune priest the moment you put it on the table
Just like the books

>>96057335
Ya, having your legion termies loose their guns is a huge win

>>96057380
Anon you hitting on 5s with whatevers within 12

It's never going to be worth using instead of perts hammer

>>96057397
they were already trash in v2 and v1, why bother

Do we know what Aflame (1) does for BA yet?

>>96056853
My group is still playing 1.0.

>>96057407
They may be trash, but they are OUR trash!

>>96057381
Basic hunter killer missiles are S9 Armourbane D3
Demolishers are S12 D6 when stationary
Las destroyers are 2 shots with S10 and D3 armourbane
A lot of the meltas don't even need to get close. Staying still makes them S10 D3-4, wihch is already pretty goo
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There's plenty of options

>>96056608 (OP)
>TQ
>Was finishing up IW army
>Now they're garbage
>Planning to start RG army
>Now they're even more mid aside from an OP gambit
It's never been more over. I'm coping for legacies at this point.

>Loyalist primarchs all have same cookie cutter mental stats, shit for units, options and rules
>Traitor primarchs have actually thought out mental stat lines, more flavor and options in 2 legions than all loyalists combined

Loyalists got the intern design team, it is clear.

>>96057426
My group is still playing with black books and 7th Ed rulebook.

>>96057449
>mid aside from an OP gambit
And their cracked trait

>>96057455
based

>>96056934
>they took Lorgar Transfigured out of the game
>his profile still sucks
>his saiyan rite is dunzo
>horus, fulgrim and angron all get Transfigured variants

what a time to be alive

>>96057449
>RG mid outside of a gambit
Nogames detected, kindly neck yourself at your earliest convenience

>>96057455
My group is fighting in the killing fields 30,000 years from now.

>>96057404
>you hitting on 5s with whatevers within 12
Tactical veterans with combi-meltas hit on 4s and that's 6D each
Perturabo maybe causes 3 wounds with 2 or 3D, after the 4++. He might do 1 or 2W
Erernal warrior(2-3) is way too good when the primarch weapons do 2-3D

>>96057455
As one should.

>some units lost loadouts that weren't in the kit
>some units units kept loadouts that don't exist in kits
>some units lost loadouts that they HAD in kits
>some units gained loadouts that don't exist in kits
>Some units lost loadouts that didn't exist in kit but you could buy upgrade sprue
>DA lost all of their buffs for wings
>Tsons kept arcanas for each unit and even had them expanded into full disciplines
What the fuck are they doing KEEEEK
I am not dooming anymore, I am just laughing

How long until every list has allied Exodus?

>>96057449
>Now they're garbage
Cuz they were so fucking good before, am I right

>>96057468
Their transfigured variant lose all bonuses to their armies so be thankful

>>96057484
To be fair, Dark Angel special units still are some of the best in the game.

Their real legion rule is spamming Terranic Greatswords

>>96057484
>>DA lost all of their buffs for wings
>>Tsons kept arcanas for each unit and even had them expanded into full disciplines
The resident TSfag took the DAfag out back and shot him

>>96057468
Does base lorgar even have psychic powers anymore? If neither version has psychic than than the only difference is being corrupted, which 3.0 lorgar so I guess he's just always transfigured and there's no difference

>>96057480
Veterans aren't BS6

>>96057449
>>Now they're even more mid aside from an OP gambit
Are you dumb?

The Dark Angels strode across the battlefield to meet the Night Lords, the ground cracking and subtly quaking as the praetor in his saturnine armor led an honoured cadre of cataphractii veterans.
+++They will flee.+++ Praetor Chaimpotok intoned over the voxlink. +++And we will slay them as they do.+++
But the Night Lords did not flee. They advanced. Nineteen inductii in gray ceramite with only a single shoulder painted in Legion livery were led by a sergeant in full livery and one other: AN officer of some sort wearing a kilt of flayed skin and a gaudy helmet with a skull visage and bat wings that seemed to have been borne from the Spiritus Halloweenius tech enclave.
"1v1 me faggot" said the Night Lord officer, his sneer leaving a greasy stain on the air like baconium on a waxonite wrapper.
"The Ist does not have sodomitic orgies in bathhouses." Intoned Chaimpotok grimly as he moved into an attack stance.
"lol lmao" said the Night Lord as he spun and pirouetted like some dancer in a spinning dance with pirouettes, grabbing a random inductii and tossing him into his former place facing the enormous, gingantic, bighuge saturnine Dark Angel.
"What." said the hapless inductii, but he said no more, for Chaimpotok's choler was at its peak and he smashed the poor beakie into paste.

>>96057473
Future anon. Will 3.0 really be so bad that what you do is preferable?

>>96057506
Based????

>>96057512
Cinema

>>96057509
Veterans are BS5, they hit snapshots on 4s

Is loyalty still it's own reward I ask you?

>>96057512
>"What." said the hapless inductii

>>96057506
Shouldn't have kept Zahariel on Caliban
Psykers stick together
(Except othere wyrdmake, fuck you)

>>96057515
I didn't have a choice, I just never died. 4.0 is much worse and HH was cancelled before 5.0. 40k 12th took over completely after a terrible SCOTUS ruling in the US.

>>96057058
It's this and Alpharius having 1 more Intelligence than every other Primarch that made me laugh.

>>96057489
>How long until every list has allied Exodus?

Sadly Exodus is filling Veteran slot... So you have to create one with Prime Command slot

I hoped for 2 Allied Exoduses sticked into Command or 5 Exoduses in AL main army :C

>>96057527
You tell me, IF got effectively no change to their LA

>>96056944
>- Combat itself, largely unchanged
Are we going to set aside the fact that the charger gets 0 benefits from charging? Doesn't gain attacks, doesn't gain initiative.
All it happens is that Impact weapons activate. Like, thanks for doing what they should be doing?
Pistols no longer grant +1A but some models got the +1A baked directly onto their statline...unless it is a sergeant, or if GW believes the unit should not be in combat, like Headhunters who went from 3 attacks in the charge to 1.

>>96057370
>Did we get the Space Wolves psychic page?
i have caster of runes but no runecasting pages

>>96057542
So one Sabo and Exodus then. Even better.

>>96057547
>Doesn't gain attacks
You get to shoot twice in the same turn

>>96057547
Which to be fair was kind of bullshit. We have to wait and see if Effrit have similar issues though as I imagine they’ll keep their close range melee unlike Headhunters

>>96056608 (OP)
>Dogshit legion trait
>Free chainaxes for everyone
>Also chainaxes suck now
>Also bayonets suck
>You can't charge as far
>Also everyone gets a free overwatch reaction before you can charge

Right now I'm just waiting to see Falax blade rampagers get nerfed into oblivion before I finally neck myself.

>>96056934
>LD CL WP IN SAV INV
>Ld Cl Wil Int Sv Inv
Lol they forgot to proofread Angry Ron's stat line

Are we really going to play with these Libers? Shouldn't we just play 3.0 with the old books instead?

>>96057565
Don't hang yourself over some overpriced wargame that died almost a decade ago and got it's corpse propped up by greedy corpo slaves.

>>96057565
As a word bearer player who spammed breachers with vokite. i cant wait to have to take all the volkite off and get a mighty +1 combat res as my entire legion trait

>>96057449
>>Now they're even more mid aside from an OP gambit
What the fuck are you on about.

Mor Daythan are insane. The legion trait is insane. Dark furies got majorly buffed.

The only bad thing about them is the primarch sucks.

>>96057584
That's actually pretty funny

>>96057596
Just don't take them off. GW can't arrest you for paying fair points for fully painted models with old compositions.

>>96057584
The libers are such a fucking mess, holy shit.

>>96057584
kek

>>96057601
>primarch sucks
Lore accurate, he peaked right before the dropsite. It was downhill from there. His legion propped him up by being overly competent.

>Thousand Sons are almost a wishlist of everything I could've wanted
>Still not ideal, but still a huge advantage over 2.0
>For some reason, they're the only Legion that has this much detail and attention.
Damn. This is awkward. I can't even enjoy this because everyone else is in such a bad shape and I empathize with that.

What's this about leaks where all loadout options are gone? Can command squad still take mass power fists?

>>96057584
>Int
I bet that was also change for the fucking sake of change and it was Int on all profiles before

>>96057623
I am pretty sure he now gets killed by a bunch of regular terminators now.

>>96057625
I think you are becoming the new IF so probably don't empathize so much with everyone else. They are going to spend the next 3 years bitching about rending (5+) Fury of the Legion

>>96057630
It seems likely he was the first to be properly designed with the new stats, as everyone else was just ported later

Angron don't have any gambit despite being a gladiator.

El'Faggot was right, Loyalty is it's own reward

Wishing heresy would get more releases has turned out to be the biggest monkeys paw in this hobbies entire history

>>96057625
Have you considered that divination gives every character that has it a free +2 initiative in challenges? Have you considered you get thunder hammers at initiative on all your characters now, and an option to hit on 2+ with gambits?

I think Horus heresy should adopt 40k's AP system. It being all-or-nothing forced GW to remove like 90% of AP 2 and AP 3 weapons. And Auxilia's 4+ is basically useless under all this AP 4 weaponry.
>>96056857
Anon... fan editions have no chance as long as the game's officially supported.

>>96057653
>I think Horus heresy should adopt 40k's AP system
Believe me when I say you don't want this

>>96057640
I'm not surprised. Before the Blind nerf in 1.0 he could 50/50 Horus and has been paying for it with nerfs at every turn.

>>96057653
No

>>96057651
I don't understand. Did you read my post and somehow get the impression that I think the Thousand Sons rules are bad?

>>96057653
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>96057640
He's not that bad
They still hit him on 5s and have to go through a 4++ just to do 1D for each wound that goes through

>>96057653
I finally found a bigger retard than myself

leakeranon please come back
I miss you