Thread 96064600

>Previous thread:
>>96004691

>What is /awg/?
A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.
The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.
This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.

>Examples of games that qualify.
A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,
Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd, HeroClix,
Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,
Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, Stargrave, Sludge, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics...
...and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.

>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.
Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,
OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games...
...and many other publishers.

>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edit
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page

>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.
https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AX
https://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg

>TQ
What was the most enjoyable game you had lately?

Got these two from the charity shop


I've seen the wheeled thing before, I just love the funny shape, almost presents whoever is in the cockpit/bathtub to you. No idea what to do with it though to reduce the toylike appearance.

And I have enough toy spaceships but just loved the shape of this egg thing. It has rocket boosters in the bottom and clips apart, but it's definitely destined to be some kind of generator terrain instead

>>96064600 (OP)
Those hobbits/halflings are kino, I love the 15th century armor. They'd be perfect for my fantasy WOTR game, but the only thing preventing me from liking them is the ponies. I would rather they were riding big dogs from the middle ages like wolfhounds or otterhounds

>>96064600 (OP)
The ponies are cute.

>>96064927
Also it's stupid their spears are so short, if anything a hobbit would benefit from an even longer lance to make up for their 'short'comings

>>96064600 (OP)
>TQ
Spectre Operations v2. It's the best game I've played in so long that now I'm thoroughly invested in ultra modern wargaming. The core mechanics are super intuitive and simple, but the options for advanced rules, weapons, vehicles, grenades, close air support, etc. are very dense and well thought out that everything you you can ever hope to recreate about modern warfare is provided on the rules

>>96064927
>I would rather they were riding big dogs from the middle ages like wolfhounds or otterhounds
Nah fuck this. Them Hobbit riding ponies make them suitable for grounded fantasy setting and games like MESBG. I hope their arms and heads will be interchangeable with the Halfling Militia kit.

>>>96064407
It's like the perfect conversion fodder APC, provided it's cheap enough. Like the old Gorka Morka plastics it's got that flatpack charm.

>>96065099
Well, as a backer the price is not an issue for me, because its was a bit cheaper than their retail prices, and i will also get a ton of "free" sprues on top.
For just a basic truck to be interesting i think it shouldn't be more expensive than 30€. (The Archon Wolverine tank is around 25€ here).

>>96065076
Mantic make halflings on wolfhounds already. Some variety/low fantasy is good.

Still haven't found the elf, dwarf or even orc kit I'm truly pumped for. Always liked savage orcs...

>>96064913
Nice score.
>>96064600 (OP)
>What was the most enjoyable game you had lately
Beta testing Malifaux. I played my Brewmaster into the Viks.
In 3rd I would sit in a full soulstone pool and Brewie never made it past turn 3.
It was such a constant meme, that when I dropped the model and his foot broke off, I modeled him with bandages and a peg leg.

This game I killed both Viks. Brewie lived to the end, even killing one of the Viks himself.

>>96065504
>Still haven't found the elf, dwarf or even orc kit I'm truly pumped for
I'm lucky I universally like Oathmark kits. Elf Heavy Infantry is pure sex.

>>96065607
Were you playing Brewie 1 or 2?

>>96066419
These looks so bad, for so many reasons that I can't even be bothered to list them off. It's so tiresome

>>96064600 (OP)
At this point mentioning how WGA is releasing all these kits while sitting on their warring states is just beating a dead horse.

>>96066627
When is the last time WGA actually released a "good" kit instead of just churning out low effort CADslop that could easily have been made by ChatGPT?

>>96066667

The renaissance heavy cavalry?

>>96065607
How many masters are available for testing 4e? I stopped playing 3e around the Malifaux Burns expansion because they added so much shit.
I know 4e isn't going to squat many of them but it might be better to get in on the ground floor.

>>96066716
The ones that are so poorly scaled that you can't even weapon swaps with the renaissance infantry? Who have like 3mm gaps between the legs and saddle? Nah

>>96066667
>Buzzwords: the shitpost
I kneel.

>>96066776
you cant even weapon swap between the renaissance heavy and light cav

>>96066776

Oh, I didn't know the kit had such issues. The only WGA plastic set I've worked so far are eisenkern stormtroopers. They were good and crisp, but technically not designed by WGA. Their ottoman infantry STLs were pretty good, but inaccurate. The backplate of the mirror armour isn't supposed to look like this. It should be symmetric on both sides.

>>96066716
The proportions on them are awful.

To be charitable, I think WGA suffers a bit from too rapid release pace, especially for their STLs. You can for example see the difference in quality in their late Roman cataphracts compared to the models victrix produced.
Not to mention the quality difference between wga medievals compared to their victrix counterparts.

>>96066667
Quar or 10mm orcs?

>barricades have incredibly large seem lines even in promotional shots
>satyrs are old kit and its incredibly badly engineered to begin with
>grenadiers/minuteman heavy monkey DNA unseen outside of warhammer monstrosities
>barons war stuff is just incredibly mid

>>96066929
Victrix MOGS them so hard it's not even fun.

>>96066996
Victrix even effortlessly mogs then with medieval scatter terrain

>>96067116
>>96066996
>Victrix busy researching to produce extremely high quality yet historically accurate items and artifacts
>WGA thinks whole cooked rotisserie chickens were sold at open air markets

>>96066419
I like oathmark too.

>>96066627
>>96066667
Thought we liked WGA. What happened?

>>96067148

I really wish victrix doesn't hop to the churn that seems to characterize a lot of the hobby industry. I like how they take their time and release things slowly and keep a consistent high quality. The foot knights look amazing, especially compared to WGA knights.

>>96067148
Depends on the time and place, in big cities the open markets were selling hot food because a lot of the people literally didn't have stoves or ovens at home. You ate at the market or you went to one of the big commercial bakers to rent an oven or you didn't eat.

>>96067116
I'm glad Victrix is leaning out of previous comfort zone and putting their skills to broader use.
More options for the gamer is so good.

>>96067159
WGAs super fast release schedule and wide range of products filled so many people with hopium, but eventually reality started setting in

WGA is basic bitch mid.

>>96067159

My theory is that the catalyst was screenshots of the owner of WGA saying dumb libtard shit. There have been these minor quality control issues that anons ITT have pointed out, but now we are much more vocal about them.

>>96066717
The only one they are retiring is Leviticus, who Rusty Alice is taking over for. They also added 2 new crews, since dual faction crews are gone, everyone is picking a side.

Right now, all the rules that they plan for 4th's release are up for testing. We know they have more for later, because Dr. Silas is missing and has been confirmed to be getting the full master treatment later.

The way they handled titles is so much better. Each title will not have their own totem and a crew card, where all the crew themed effects for all models will be listed. So instead of defining a crew's theme and then trying to shoehorn in the new title with a bunch of extra rules to change how it works, you have an extra card that says "All blank models get X or Y or whatever". That way, the core of the models stays the same.

>>96067175
Chickens were almost exclusively eaten by nobles or very rarely by peasant at exceptional feasts like Christmas. A chicken in the middle ages was more valuable for it's constantly egg product which was a steady source of food than if it was killed and eaten once. Killing and roasting a bunch of chickens just to sit them out on a box it's some retarded shit you'd expect to see in a children's cartoon and it shows WGA put zero thought or research into their other than "hmm what do you think they are in medieval times?" "Idk hehe I think they ate chickens and bread and shit"

>>96067179
I see.
>>96067185
I also see. Was it more than that?

>>96067182
How does Victrix do it?

Wargames Cucklantic bros... Not like this

>>96067218

Probably more, a lot of people were complaining about the damned crowdfunding case, which had poor communication, both in backers not provided updates and some WGA employee being rude to a client on social media. Then they've been sitting on the warring states models for years while they've started like three new ranges. Others will surely tell you more examples of WGA having so many things going on that it leads to lower quality and poor communication.

>>96067185
>>96067179
>>96066627
>>96066667
Bros. Is WGA becoming the Icarus of the plastic model making industry at this rate? I want it to succeed and flourish as a middle finger to GW.

>reeeeeee chickens!!!
Kek. I wonder what would have happened if they out a potato there instead.

>>96067297

No I don't think so, wargamers are notoriously whiny and prone to saying the sky is falling.

>>96067297
It's just some chuds mad WGA didn't match their political pandering. What's being said on a Polynesian shell-carving forum has no real indications of real-world sales numbers.

>>96066996
>Premade rotisserie chickens and heads of iceberg lettuce
Did the sculptor do his research at the local Tesco?

Fuck you Chud

>>96067370
I don't even think it's that. I think it's lazy /v/ tier tards trying to stir shit up. Remember there was one with midgard?

>>96067582
Is that the author of Midgard Homoerotic Battles, James Morris and his husband Nigel?

>>96067567
They would not be able to stir shit up if the product offered was actually good.

>>96067567
Yeah, true. There's a lot of low effort posts. Credit to the chicken posting, though. That's a lot of effort for such a dumb complaint, so it's either a real autist or a dedicated shitposter.

>>96064600 (OP)
Ok, finally locking in and getting started on mission 2 scenario 1 of rangers of shadowdeep. (using my unpainted rohan as gnolls)

Idea is we snuck up on this gnoll camp and we are trying to eliminate them all before they can get away. there is a bridge which they guard and a ford to the left, some mechanics to get the feel of an ambush.

>>96067669
It's not a dumb complaint at all. Barons War was marketed as a historical game and the terrain WGA made for it is some random trash piles and "market stalls" that sell modern foods you'd find at Costco. It's low effort and lazy

>>96067687
Thanks for the pic, just added it to my shit terrain pics collection

>>96067699
To be honest its not for Barons War, its supposed to be generic terrain, possibly made with Sharpee in mind.
Which of course does not improves anything as there still are seam lines bigger than my finger in there and the sculpts are poor.

Can we talk about GOOD minis instead?

>>96067687
close veiw of gnoll camp.

(glad I found a perfectly sized table btw)

>>96067720
hey man, use what you have, and I have paper.

>>96067756
Sure. I should go see if my FLGS got in the Old Umbrey stuff yet.

>>96065058
know any good modern or near future infantry minis?

>>96067493
Now post WGA's newsletter where he talks about the crazed SJW who accused him of being a crypto-nazi because one of their products cost 14.88 and how he just wants to make models with no shitty politics.

Seriously, I have not seen any shitty libtard behaviour from WGA.

>>96067818
Yeah lots for modern, what are you looking for in particular? I don't know too much about meat future but I've been interested in it as well recently. I like the BLKOUT miniatures (game is shit though) but they're too expensive to justify

>>96067795
Mine hadn't, kinda disappointed but at same time I have other projects to work on anyway. Besides I think the actual release only recently started arriving as I've not seen much posting of the non-customer printed models yet.

>>96067830
The same newsletter where he posted le heckin punching nazis virtue signal and addresses every single schizo comment he's ever received on social media?

>>96067851
Post a link and let Anon decide

>>96067210
>A chicken in the middle ages was more valuable for it's constantly egg product
did you just assume that bird's gender?

>>96066996
>barons war stuff is just incredibly mid
the demand for it still made them kneel over and affect the production of other lines

>>96067848
Yeah, I know SFG is still struggling to get printing up to meet demands, and they are using the release date more of when they start shipping instead of street release date. I'd just order from them directly, but I want to support the local stores. They were such big supporters of PP, it's hard seeing them have to put so much out on clearance, though I might be able to get a Tharn army for like 30 bucks the next time they have a sale.

>>96067836
>what are you looking for in particular
I have zero idea about modern realistic style minis. Something NATO, RU and mercs perhaps. Or I don't know if there are any tac police forces like GIGN.

desu more interested in near future stuff. BLKOUT or Battlefield 2142 style.

>>96067933
>They were such big supporters of PP, it's hard seeing them have to put so much out on clearance, though I might be able to get a Tharn army for like 30 bucks the next time they have a sale.
Wait, is there some clearance I missed? I bought alot during PP's old clearance sale during Mk4 when the store was still fully running, but there's been some new one?

>>96068099
This is a local store that still has some MK3, MonPoc, and Warcaster stuff on hand.

>>96068142
Ah, right, misread what you wrote.
Man I still need to try Warcaster. I play Warmachine and MonPoc on occasion, but never played Warcaster despite having Iron Star bought and primed.

>>96068002
Empress Miniatures is who I get all ultra modern models from, they're my favorite miniature manufacturer. Modern soldiers and vehicles for most of the major countries, China, US, Russia, France, etc. and a few special forces.

Spectre Miniatures makes cool miniatures but they're mostly focused on high tech special ops and stuff, pic related..

If anyone knows good near future stuff come in pls, I'm very interested

>>96068207
Apparently it's really good. I was pretty meh about some of the designs, didn't really click with any one faction. Just pieces from each one, so never got into it. But they were selling stuff for 80% of MSRP, so might grab a few small armies to mess around with.

>>96066558
1. With his trigger and Wesley best by he's a min5 beast.
>>96066717
They're effectively all out now. There may be some tweaks but the beta is going to be winding down with GenCon coming.

>>96067582
Kek

>>96067159
I like WGA, quite like theit kits too. They're also the only hard plastic Mexica at 1/56 in the market which is nice.
Just been waiting a long time for a suitable replacement for the Watchful I metal range. In plastic.

>>96067148
You can just paint it raw pink or leave it grey like the rest of your collection...

>>96067116
If you assemble any Victrix miniatures you will soon realise that despite having incredibly crisp detail the weapons being to scale are very delicate. Brands like Warlord, Gripping Beast etc have softer detail but you're going to want to buy a sprue or two for more solid parts.

Im might be retarded. How you get Pillage Supplement - The East of their website? There is no freaking link only you have to go trough normal checkout process, like wtf Im doing wrong here?

>>96067493
>realising that 33% of the hobby is just autistic people with no theory of mind who fell at the first minor inconvenience ritualistically posting about their beefs for years

>>96068977
I have hundreds of Victrix figures, never broke a single spear or sword

These giant moths are cute.

>>96069045
Good for you man!

Anyone recognize these parts? It was supposed to be a 40k conversion according to what I can find, but the only explanation is a worthpoint scrape of an original listing that seems to be long gone. One of these is sitting at a thrift store near me and I'm curious if it's worth getting.

>>96069099
Nope

>>96069106
I don't even know what I would use it for honestly. I've got some space bugs already but the only thing I've played with them is 5 parsecs bug hunt and I don't think that has any need for a giant bug.

>>96069121
Interesting

>>96068258
>>96068002
Skullforge comes to mind, but that's all 3DP from a one man STL farm.
He does knockoffs of like every SF setting, and is the sculptor/creator of Arsenal.

>>96069099
I believe the body is that of an Starship Troopers Tank Bug.

>>96069206
These are sick, it's such a bummer they're 3d print only. I bought some 3d printed models before and they came with bent guns, idk how to bend the resin back without snapping it

Imagine needing hero rocks or even glue. I can't wait for the actual release.

>>96067116
Victrix goes the GW route, with fixed poses for their bodies, while WGA does the more old school approach with bodies and arms being free for any combinations

>>96069738
Idc, zaku best suit.

>>96069738
How posable are the grunt suits? I hope they aren't monopose.

>>96069946
As monopose as possible.

>>96070060
Extremely lame.

>>96067257
That's hardly woke, why would you want to use a platform run by a drug addicted Nazi?

>>96070452
>why would you want to use a platform run by a drug addicted Nazi
I’m going to assume you aren’t a poltard pretending to be a bad lefty.
I don’t think he is a “nazi” I just think the money got to his head and he is now insane.
Point being there is no reason to not use both platforms with both being a backup of each other.
For small miniature businesses that aren’t gw or even mantic sized I think wga is hurting itself as it means less discovery of them by potential customers.

>>96069594
On guns only that's gonna be a pain. In theory you should dip them into hot water for some time and then very slowly unbend them. But with guns only it would be a pain in the ass and dipping the whole miniature is risky.

>learn about Kings of War from /awg/
>learn of Renegades from /awg/
>learn of BLKOUT from /awg/
>learn of OPR Firefight /awg/
>ask on LGS discord if anyone is interested
>no replies
>search "Kings of War" and find a guy asking about it
>"sorry anon I moved a while ago"
Trying to free oneself from the GW gaming plantation is a monumental task. It hurts.

>>96070491
Sadly, it may be be easier to find someone who never played wargames before and introduce them to wargaming while deliberately skipping the GW-slop.

>>96068258
>Empress Miniatures
thanks, those look cool
>>96069206
these reminded me of WGA's Ooh Rah box existing, maybe I'll get that because I have no printer

>>96069946
>>96070084
see >>96062447
The 1/400 Collection stuff is all at least a bit posable, problem is it's all rubber. They did special versions of the Zaku, Gundam, and GM (among others) with balljoints for the DX series.
The Strategy of Gundam and G-sight models are a bit more posable. G-sight is the same nominal scale as the new game. Eyeballing them against 40mm bases, though, I'm not so sure.

>>96069051
how often does conquest releases new faction? I get it they've got 5 factions still?

>>96067297
>Is the company that is getting more and more market presence about to fall because an angry retard on a Belarusian basket-weaving forum is upset?
I bet that's the case Anon.

>>96069801

Victrix did a lot of that to avoid mail Burnie's having seams in it. If you look at the foot knights or the upcoming foot sergeants sprue, you can see that the hands are more freely poseable. I think the late Roman cataphracts also had pretty freely poseable hands, due to them having laminar armour.

>>96070704
Am I going to have to play this shitty game and paint its expensive oversized minis because they have a cool elven plant man faction now? Bit rude of Conquest to do this to me

>>96070491
I really just need one or two good mates who are into this stuff enough to get in a couple of games a month. Alas my few friends are into other things and live far away

>>96067210
T. Never farmed.

Pardon me. But if a model is said to be scaled at 32mm then what mathematical percentage should a model be downsized by to be 28mm scale?

>>96070817
>Victrix did a lot of that to avoid mail Burnie's having seams in it

They did it on several other sets as well, with no particular need. If they finally try to avoid this, then thats good, but that does not change all the previous sets.
Take pic related for example. The body on the right is completely locked into that pose, and its completely without reason, as shown by the body right to it in the instruction, which also can be built into a "throwing" or "raised sword" pose.
Similar thing on the Late Roman Archers sprue. One of the bodies, randomly, has a bit of arm attached, locking it basically to certain incomplete arms, without reason, as all of the other bodies have straight cuts at the shoulder.
Islamic Infantry is another example with two unarmored bodies having some arms attached, while the rest apparently works with straight cuts.
To me, this devalues the whole product. If i buy plastic, i want compatibility, and ideally not only within one set, but within the whole range. North Star is great at that for example. If i want to have dynamic mono poses, like a guy raising his axe or something, i get either just that in metal, or i print just that in resin. But i certainly dont want to glue together 6 pieces of plastic in a way the designer intended me to do it.

>>96070901
28 is 87.5% of 32

>>96070936

Good point they did have some locked poses for no particular reason.

You're right, north star figures are great for cross-compatibility. I even thought of bashing together their cyborgs with frostgrave demons to make techno-daemons a bit like doom.

>>96070970
That's a great idea desu

>>96070970
Real doom or doom 3 where the game is a cramped hallway too dark to see shit but you're so powerful it kinda doesn't really matter?

>>96071087

The nineties ones. I did see that hardcore miniatures made doom STLs, but converting, building and kitbashing are more fun for me than asking others to print stuff on my behalf.

>>96070967
>28 is 87.5% of 32
>I was never good at math
does this mean I shrink the model by 12.5 percent if 100 minus 87.5 equals 12.5?

I'm not sure if I'm retarded or if trying to think like a 3D sculptor is messing with my thought process. Could be both to be honest.

>>96071160
You're just going to have to "figure" it out.

>>96065058
Have you ever played Asymmetric Warfare? As I understand it, this was by the guy who wrote Spectre 1 and was his personal upgrade of that system. I'd be interested to know how AW and Spec2 compare?

>>96071278
Well played anon. I giggled.

>>96071508
Bit small, isn't it?

>>96071634
S-size doesnt matter !

>>96070452
I don't think the issue is hating Nazis, I think the problem here is assuming everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi

>>96070491
Your issue is that you're looking for games amongst discord trannies instead of your irl friends, which is where you find the majority of /awg/ games played.
Warhammer is primarily played by socially retarded randos who don't have their own friend group, and /awg/ games are generally played by small groups of friends. For example, I play Frostgrave, Force on Force, Billhooks, and occasionally Warhammer 4th ed. with my family l, dad and brothers, and I play Bolt Action and Epic Black Powder with a local group of historical boomers, they also occasionally play Quar

>>96070892
Comparing modern farming to middle ages subsistence farming is actually brain dead

>>96071389
Yes actually I do play Asymmetric Warfare. AW is actually just Spectre Operations v2 with some very minor adjustments to bring it up to speed with the tech involved in 2024 and the Ukraine War. I've compared the two books side by side and even the wording is 99% identical in the two books.

>>96069738
I dont like japanese mecha because they look like Sailor Magical Girls and not like a equipment made for work. There are few designs like Zakus or grunt mechs in Full Metal Panic but they never last long.

>>96070704
Ive waited for them and dont feel joy, I guess Conquest in not for me. I like city states infantry but thats it, ever rest of that army dont make me want them.

>>96071634
Has to fit into the canals.

>>96067210
You're mixing up peasants and serfs.

>>96070531
>WGA Ooh Rah
The quality on those is really really bad

>>96072159
Whats wrong with their quality?

>>96070472
I don't really give a shit about xwitter since I don't care what chuds or troons think but I follow mini companies on facebook and instagram.

>>96072330
I'm skeptical when people say this. The monopose wolves were annoying, late Roman infantry fairly limited in type but otherwise I think WGA is just the new target of nomodels bellyaching. I don't take ANY advice on here anymore lol, it's some truly bitter people who just come here for dopamine

>>96072330
>>96072549
It's easy to spot people (typically its one or a few) trying to stir shit up. Most of the criticism being thrown at WGA ITT is very low effort and obviously from someone with an axe to grind (or a lazy shitposting troll). Most of /tg/ has one or two spergs who sit in a general driving down the discourse with their autism and shitposting.
I don't thing WGA is perfect but they are fine enough for what they are.

>>96072549
I'm open to any kind of critique, but "bad quality" is not enough.

>>96072584
>I don't thing WGA is perfect but they are fine enough for what they are.

They have good sets, and they have not so good sets. Its not impossible that the Ooh Rah kit has some flaws (besides its silly name). I was never really interested in it so far, because i think the rifles included look too futuristic for my taste, but i'm always curious about other peoples opinions on minis they bought.

> I think WGA is just the new target of nomodels bellyaching.

Possible. To me (with 15+ boxes pledged at the Damned campaign), there is plenty to criticize about them. But its not some random twitter posts of their boss nor their plastics (at least those i had my hands on so far).

>>96072607
>They have good sets, and they have not so good sets.
Completely agree.
I think their skeletons are too chunky and their goblins don't look good on foot, they need their spider mounts.

>>96070491
this:>>96070513
this is how I get people to play my niche game interests atm. also try game night places where they are use to switching between different board games a lot. it makes them more open to doing your new thing.

>>96072584
>fine for what they are
Which is true, they are "fine" when you expect to be getting a fast steady churn of low to mid quality budget miniatures. One of the problems is that despite being incredibly mediocre they charge pretty high prices all things considered. Why are they more expensive than Victrix when you look at pics like this and see a massive difference in quality >>96067182

>>96072638
>goblin infantry need their spider mounts
That just sums up WGA, Their goblin infantry and spider cavalry are the exact same kit, because they were too lazy to sculpt two different poses, and the result is infantry that look stupid and cavalry that look ridiculous. They try to do everything at once and end up doing nothing well

for anyone else playing or has played rangers of shadow deep, have you found high party size and focus on melee the way to go? i have 3 dedicated melee companions 1 archer 1 mage and my ranger is a ckericy support type and ive been cruising super consistantly. the group combat rules as well as the agressiveness of enemies I believe really favors higher model count and having more melee (which i like, really ranged units pre musket and bayonet were more support elements rather than direct breaker). thinking about doing the challange level next.

>>96072783
I've been wanting to play Shadow deep for a while, but one thing hanging me up is that I really don't like the d20 combat system used in Frostgrave, it feels very shitty. Am I correct in that shadowdeep used the same combat mechanic?

>>96072779
Here is a post from a backer under the recent Damned Update. They named it "That's a wrap for US production!" only to then announce that they have to fix one of the moulds, and only then the production of the heavy infantry can be done.

This is what is really wrong with WGA. Sure, people value things differently. You mention their ugly goblins. That sucks, and i agree that those sets are very weak, but i dont see this as a flaw with the company. (I think they tried if they can make it work to have infantry and cavalry as the same sprue.. it was one of their earlier sets after all). I wont buy their Goblins, but that solves it for me, especially since there are several other options for Goblins on the market.
But what is described in pic related is far bigger problems, beyond critique about weak sculpts.

>>96072837
I'm quite tempted to get a chargeback.

>>96072783
I played it with two friends, so it was three rangers and four weak allies, almost all melee or magic and we did kick a lot of ass. But three rangers are inherently powerful and that skewed my experience more than the party composition, really.

>>96072873
I kinda agree. But then.. its going on for so long, those remaining months (my guess is they will ship EU stuff around November) wont kill me and i am not in desperate need of that money. And on top of that, if i would get a refund now, only to buy those sets later, i would get less for the same amount of money and i would seethe about it for sure.

>>96070704
This is going to be their 10th army. They've been steadily putting them out one a year. But this year, they are slipping in two.

>>96072837
>that image
I hate how correct it is.
Genuinely I thought WGA was an engine that was chugging along full steam ahead and just churning out good stuff after good stuff with a bit of a schizophrenic release schedule but it was alright.
Now I'm starting to see WGA in a more negative light.
Maybe the money and success is getting to their heads.
Maybe they had to fall short somewhere eventually.
I guess every good streak eventually has an end. Hopefully WGA learns from this fiasco.

Most skirmish games seems to not go smaller than 3'x3'. What 28mm games tried to push the limits of decreasing the play area to 2'x2' or even smaller and succeed without turning into a vertical movement rules clusterfuck nightmare?

>>96072159
Like what? Got any pics?

>>96072805
d20 vs d20?

I havent played frostgrave, but thats what it is in rangers. I like it, gets a lot of calcuations in one roll. bit swingy, but thats the fun. and you can usually get sitiational bonuses if you are inventive enough. group combat being the obvious one, but doing skill checks to climb to get a high advantage at range, or situational shit like knocking down the supports of a building can really make play pretty dynamic and tactical.
But I can see some not liking the swingyness. I thought it was ok, since you usually move more then 1 character at a time so actions even out.
>>96072912
>3 rangers and 4 allies
cant you only have 1 ally each if you have 3 rangers?
I also ran it once with 2 others as well, but I was a referee, so it was 2 rangers and 4 allies. But I might be remembering the limit wrong.

As a side note, I liked playing nearly paperless using dice to record health and small dice to show if a unit has activated.

>>96073548
>Hopefully WGA learns from this fiasco.

Well, they do not really acknowledge the issue, but at least they said a few times that they wont do another crowdfunding release.

>>96073624
Wasn't there that gladiator wargame which has guys brawling in a sandpit?

>>96073391
That's my reason for not getting one too.

>>96074221
Arena Rex.
I'm sure there are others too.

>>96064600 (OP)
>What was the most enjoyable game you had lately?

Played 1 hour skirmish with Dr Who minis, good fun.

What do you reckon lads

One tall egg... thing

Or two... things as terrain

I'm thinking a sandy cream colour with blue lights

>>96074645
I like the big vertical structure unless you really need to cover more area.

>>96071884
It was homestead sustainable yuppie bullshit tho. If you keep voicing opinions on things you have absolutely no clue about you'll be the king of Mount Stupid forever mate.

Chooks make way more babies that you'll ever need so you end up eating fresh eggs everyday, giving buckets of them to your pig, raising chicks by the truckload, eating young roosters every two days and retiring chooks every Sunday.

The Confrerie des Rotisseurs was made around 1250. It was a roastimg geese corporation trying to compete with actual chicken sellers. Granted any medieval market should be more about live animals than roasted ones but this corporation is proof enough roasted was a thing too.

What command sprue is included in Perrys War of the Roses infantry set? This one?

>>96074809

I think that's the foot knights command sprue.

>>96074927
Yes but
>there are no photos depicting WoR sprue on the store page
>there is no WoR command sprue sold seperately
>there are 4 command models included
So I thought they might have reused command sprue from different set.
Wish Perries updated earlier entries its a bit inconsistant.

>>96075077
>>there is no WoR command sprue sold seperately

>>96075141
Thanks anon. Apparently I am blind.

>>96071160
he's saying to print it at ~88% size.

>>96072783
>>96072805
What part of it feels shitty? Genuinely curious. I know it seems swingy, but I ran the math a few years ago in this very thread. Ironically the odds for wounded/killed/fuck-all happens are within a couple percentage points of Mordheim's combat system. It's just all compressed into one roll instead of three to five. That said, the extra math does screw with some people's heads. There's also a die-hard contingent in my local group that prefers rolls and counter-rolls to opposed single rolls for combat.
>tactics
In general the XGrave systems really reward swarming an opponent in melee. Shooting is mostly good as a no-risk way to root an opponent out of a hole he refuses to leave or soften him up to slew the dice a little more. Shadow Deep stuff tends to be designed more as an adventure you're supposed to win but maybe take some casualties, whereas Star- and Frostgrave have got single-player balance all over the map and Ghost Archipelago is downright sadistic.

>>96073624
goddamn that is gorgeous.
>smaller than 2x2
At that point movement stops being meaningful between more than a couple of people. If you want a one-by-one table it's easier to shrink scales than try to balance a game around 4-inch movement circles - at that point, a single model covers over a quarter of the table area in just one move. There are a few games in that kind of size. The miniatures in those are just basically symbolic and/or tokens on an abstract grid.

>>96075141
This is the command sprue for WOTR bows and bills

>>96074809
This is the command sprue for WOTR foot knights


I have a dozen boxes of both.

>>96069946
the gundam miniatures were ALWAYS going to be monopose, bandai has the infrastructure to do really cheap lower detail high parts count kits, so anything smaller was always going to just be a few larger detailed parts

>>96073548
best thing thats happening with WGA is its sort of just turning into an easy to partner with company so theres quite a lot of different sculptors and companies basically just going through them to make their plastic kit
Personally i dont think we'll see as bad of a kit as tehir late romans at least for a while (but holy fuck those heads are unusable) and it seems like they still have some pretty good releases here and there, especially in some of the more niche areas, but especially with medieval and most ancients stuff i'll always go with victrix if they made a kit for it

>>96075963
I generally have had more good experiences with them than bad. They have grown a lot so hopefully they find their feet a bit

>>96073624
rangers of shadow deep often has scenarios that are 2.5 x2.5.

>>96075597
>riskless ranged vs swarm melee, upyah thats a good way to put it. melee is high risk high reward while ranged is low risk lower reward.

>>96073807
With 3 rangers you get .3 times your normal recruitment points and have a maximum of 2 followers per ranger. When you get to 4 rangers, then you're down to .1 and 1 follower, which will almost always be a recruit or animal with so few points.

What's your guys favorite 15mm/28mm fantasy wargames?
I'm looking to try out Warmaster Revolution and Oathmark but am open to be sold on some other games.

>>96076907
I like oathmark. My dad and I have fun playing it.

>>96076907
Sengoku Monster Hunter is 15 mm.

>>96076907
>What's your guys favorite 15mm/28mm fantasy wargames?
>Warlords of Erewhon
It's smaller-scale than Oathmark and intended for one-off games rather than campaigns. Kitchen-sink army lists with some odd omissions, but great for grabbing an old army off the shelf and bashing it against a buddy's. It's simple to upgrade a historical army by throwing a few extra monsters and a wizard or cleric into it. The skirmish-order units, heavy emphasis on morale, and small units make it feel more quick and decisive even if you're micromanaging more stuff than in Oathmark. There are very basic campaign rules: IMO you're better off doing simple ladder or tree campaigns instead. It doesn't really work in 15mm unless you're willing to hack in multibasing

>Oathmark
Good for campaigns and bigger games, with some nice streamlining to speed up gameplay. Bad for smaller battles. The movement rules are a little too abstract in places, not a deal breaker for me. The campaign system and a couple scenarios are weighted towards the defender, so things can tend to bog down long-term. If you just want to have an excuse to screw around with friends then it's not a problem, if you plan on expanding your playing group I recommend having a time limit on campaigns and awarding winners based on special games instead of trying for a proper king-of-the-hill. Oathmark works fine in 15mm as long as you have a way to mark casualties and remove at least a couple ranks of troops from units as the game progresses.

>Rangers of Shadow Deep
It's a good borderline between skirmish gaming and simple roleplaying, it sort of inherits the simple cooperative/solo RPG niche that Warhammer Quest or HeroQuest used to fill. Remember that the monster lists in the published scenarios are suggestions, use what you've got and don't try to bend over backwards and throw together 100+ NPC models for it. Paper standees for the NPCs and real models for the characters are a great option

Pic related coming soon i guess.

Do you know a hard plastic flat (1-1,5mm tall) scenic bases manufacturer other than Renedra? I ask because I really like their Paved Effect scenic bases but they are only good for Frostgrave type games/minis unless any of you know how to paint them to make them look non city street like?

>>96078830
I don't understand. So you want 1mm tall scenic bases but you don't want Renedra scenic bases because...?

>>96076907
Warlords of Erehwon is much better than Oarthmark. Oathmark is a incredibly mid game with some silly gamey design choices and I'm convinced it would never have gained any traction at all if it wasn't made by the same libtard that made Frostgrave.

>>96078633
Cool.

>>96078865
I want more variety than only city streets scenic bases and Renedra does not produce for example mud/snow/etc effects ones.

>>96078901
Ah now I understand. I know Archon Studio is manufacturing plastic scenic bases but they are more of GW style.

>>96078917
Those ones are actually their first release (and with some details being too high which can result in a mini having problems to stand on them and being glued properly) of scenic bases and probably smaller than GW ones. Two others (one to be released) are at least 3mm tall.

>>96078879
I also enjoy Oathmark. The only real criticisms I have of it are that while giving you immense room for /yourdudes/ it gets pretty broken when one side takes a Dragon etc. And the wheeling and moving rules, while elegant are more like a marching band... and ok, maybe the factions should be a little more different...buuuut

I just enjoy the thing. Fantasy gaming for me is a few blocks of 10-20 guys and a few characters, a war machines or monsters duking it out. Kings of War does it too, and to a lesser extent that's also about what you do with what you're given.

All of Joe's books are generous on inspiration and making use of what you have (halfling chicken riders and extra books notwithstanding). If you're not a creative person and need everything proscribed and more tightly controlled than the Grand Armee 1809 uniform pattern like Warhammer you might not have fun.

Joe's got a somewhat religious background, btw, not sure I'd call him a libtard. If anyone isn't excessively lowbrow you probably assume they are a communist. You should work on the whole shit testing people by confusing repellance with authenticity thing, it's very dull

>>96079035
My main gripe with Oathmark is that activation rules make simultaneous attacks impossible. I'm considering trying the SOVL rules on tabletop since they've got alternating activations but simultaneous combat resolution.

>>96079238
If you mean units attacking all the same unit at the same time, then no you cant do that. You can activate up to 3 units (using a commander) and have them all attack the same unit.

>>96079035
>formations of troops can do triple 360 cartwheels no scope rear attacks on enemies who have seemingly outmaneuvered them
>elegant
Lol

Conquest: Last Fagument of Shrimps

>>96079282
>he hasn't played the game.

>>96079308
Someone post the screenshot. Joseph McCullough himself admitted it's possible as per the rules when someone asked him about it on the Facebook group, so maybe it's YOU who hasn't read the rules

>>96070704
Love everything they've shown off for weavers except the brutes who look a bit uninspired. That vegetable dragon is really nice and I like how it's running full pelt

>>96079353
>Someone post the screenshot

Oh look it's the problem with this board and people in general

>>96079368
I need another fantasy game like I need a hole in my head but plant men dood

>>96079353
You CAN do it but in actual play it is not feasible to do unless you are trying to set it up by sending a lone unit to flank without support..... which isn't really a flank is it?
Also by the time you can move a unit into position to flank the two armies should be close enough that you should have units to threaten the front of the unit you are trying to flank.
Again it sounds like you've never played the game.

>>96075963
>best thing thats happening with WGA is its sort of just turning into an easy to partner with company
WGA! Bring me 28mm maschinen krieger boxes and my life is yours!

>>96079035
What's a "somewhat religious background," faggot? Being born American?

95% of game designers and artists are libtards because conservatives are near-incapable of creativity. Accept that every artwork and piece of media you've ever liked was made by people who think you're a swamp goblin.

>>96079501
You made some rather weird assumptions about where I am coming from, and to wit - Joe's father is some kind of Catholic academic / lay preacher who helped get him into LOTR.

So how's the whole coming here to stir up shit going?

>>96079521
He's not wrong tho

>>96079527
Ok Dr Peterson

>>96079527
he's just a monkey hitting specific buttons so he can get a dopamine hit for getting the right combination of buttons pressed.

>>96079397
>that's what's wrong with people
No, just looks like you were proven wrong and are now back peddling

>>96079501
>95% of designers/artists are libtards
Dumb nigga, the entirety of western canon is created by religious and traditional white men

>>96079643
>Phoneposter

>>96079643
yeah but he's talking about all current art. conservative artists could have never created abstract art, the Vagina Monologues, and pic related

>>96079684
I accept your concession

This thread stinks so fucking bad, holy shit.

>>96079684
Im not taking sides in this argument, but do boomers actually sit down at a desktop to browse fucking 4chan? (lmao)

>>96079704
I do, its where I have all my pdfs, images etc.

>>96079804
I have an mine on my phone. Can be taken anywhere and doesn't require me to sit down in a cuck chair to view it

>>96079852
Nta but do you not own chairs or even a sofa at home? That's kinda sad.

>>96079643
Deboonk'd

>>96079860
Zoomies can't afford such luxuries.

What I pictur when someone says they sit down at a PC to browse 4chan

>>96074558
That doesn't look like Cardiff...

>>96079876
Hey! Close the door, you weirdo!

>>96079876
Is he rubbing one out?

>>96079907
>WRONG! THIS MAN HAS DECEASED!

>>96079860
Read his post again, anon. He's a cuck, he's not allowed sit on normal chairs, let alone a sofa.

>>96079406
I'm really looking forward to the real weird plant men

>>96079907
Just takin a lil nap between his 4chan and Marvel Rivals sessions

>>96070704
>>96080024
If they pair Weavers with Yoroni in a 2-player starter, I may finally buy into Conquest.

>>96080167
They may. They do tend to pair up the armies the with the newest 'wow' releases when they release a 2-player set, whether it's the newest army or one that received a few new kits. So come next year, when they update it, it'll like be those two that are the newest 'wow' to pair up.

>>96070491
Kings of War is the main reason I started using F*cebook as the boomers who play it don't know what Discord is. Fun game and community though, look at the Fanatics group. People are a bit apprehensive right now as 4th edition will probably came later this year or early next.

>>96070704
That flower dragon griffon thing genuinely looks cool and unique. Also the little flower fairies, damn. Ironically the elf archers are the weakest of the bunch. The army reminds me of Kingdom Death's models but usable in an actual wargame. This army is bugging me as I want to play Yoroni as I found 3D printable versions of those tiny spirit things from Princess Mononoke that I want to decorate my bases with.

Does /awg/ like Warzone Eternal's rules or models? Should I just play an older edition instead?

>>96080355
>They will be produced using Siocast technology, a highly reusable thermoplastic that significantly reduces manufacturing waste.
>Siocast

>>96079704

>what is a laptop

>>96078633
Raumjäger have silly heads and the bodies feel WIDE. Maybe they could be turned into Steel Legion with some effort

>>96080355
I'm a big fan of the old metal models, no clue on any edition of the rules though

>>96080395
You just dated yourself. I don't know a single person under the age of 40 in the professional world or college who uses a laptop instead of an iPad or tablet with keyboard.

>>96080405
It was their first or 2nd ever plastic release. I would rather wait for an updated version of them.

>>96078633
>WGA working on yet ANOTHER project spreading themselves even thinner
It's all so tiresome

>>96080653
To be fair, they spoke about a set of rules for their sci-fi stuff for ages.

>>96080576

ah so this is why kids are so fucking dumb, thanks.

>>96080784
>my overstimulating screen is superior to your overstimulating screen because I have to sit down to use it

>>96079860
We have a special chair for his tender and well used bottom don't you worry.

Stop shitting up this thread.

>>96080576
>I don't know a single person under the age of 40 in the professional world or college who uses a laptop instead of an iPad or tablet with keyboard.
What kind of 3rd world insanity is this?

>>96080276
I can also see them doing Weavers VS Old Dominion as a life versus death box theme

>>96080810

unironically this, with that exact expression. deal with it phonepleb.

>>96080852
Danmark

>>96080576
I don't know anyone who does that

>>96079643
It's so fucking funny that you think of a guy in 1650 as "traditional," because your fantasy is to live in a dungeons and dragons village (except you still have first person shooters and a pornhub VPN for the tranny ahegao you're addicted to)

>>96080576
I know a lot of people who do, are you sure you are old enough to be here?

>>96078865
Please tell me you're an ESL because sometimes I'm really concerned with this website. I'm not a native speaker myself and it was rather clear to me.

>>96081208
Yes, I am an ESL and the whole premise of Anon's question was not clear to me since my brain assumes by default that 95% of bases' themes can be achieved with texture paste and proper washes.

Alternative wargames?

>>96081358
For me, it's Quar.

What's the deal with traditional game companies all being awful companies ran by horrible and grossly incompetent people?
>TTcombat
>Warlord Games
>Games Workshop
>Privateer Press
>Wizards of the Coast
>Wargames Atlantic
>Mantic
I could go on.

>>96081742
Most companies are run by nearly illiterate, slightly retarded, morally dubious and greedy people anon. The reason why companies succeed and make money has more to do with them providing a service to a specific niche while being barely better then their competitors. It has very little to do with who runs it.

>>96081510
Quar... Quar never changes.

>>96067687
is really hot in here, im going to open a window

>>96079704
Yes. Internet used to be a place boy.

>>96080653
This is what they hired Andy Hobday for. He's g9t nothing to do with the manufacturing end.

>>96081269
No big deal then, take no offense and be proud I was fooled anon.

>>96081865
Andy Hobday can go fuck himself. I'm forever mad they suicided their epic scale fantasy boxes on his stupid barely started game.
>Hurr durr you guys are selling a complete army in a box for 35€? But MY game is going to be 9 (NINE) stands for 1 (ONE) unit! Make it a single mono unit box for 35€ then!

Fuck you Andy, I'll buy into Armoured Clash, Epic Hail Caesar, Dropzone Commander and Victrix WWII instead.

>>96081742
only ttg company i can personally say i dont BELIEVE to be awful nor incompetent is Victrix
No games anons will whine about how some of the poses are restrictive (which yes, some of them ARE, the ones that are a full body just missing the hand is the biggest example i can think of), but for the most part the poses are more dynamic than alot of other historicals, while keeping a high detail quality, and still being easy enough to convert for other things (no, arm swaps are NOT conversions, thats just a simple kitbash). They also ride the line of having both a really good variety while also having some of the more niche options for factions too (a line which i feel like WGA tried to ride and fell off of)
Not to mention i think any kit past their gallic infantry is minimum solid, and there are still some older kits of theirs that are still quite usable too

>>96082108
Well Victrix is strictly producing miniatures (well now they have adopted a system I guess), all these awful companies have proprietary game systems.
If we go with miniature companies there are a ton of good ones like Perry and Alternative Armies.

>>96082108
>if you don't agree with me you're le nogames
save that faggotry for the GW threads you sperg piece of shit

>>96082166
Post your latest game

>>96081790
That's what I say to myself when I look at my pile of half- and un-painted Quar that I haven't worked on for weeks

>>96082211
WGA should stick to making Quar like models, since the cartoonish appearance masks their low resolution poor sculpt quality

>>96082180
you should post yours

Frostgrave board.

>>96082108
Heroics and Ros
Microworld
Khursan
Brigade Models
Ground Zero Games
Pico Armor

These are literally the only good stores left. Everything else is utter trash.

>>96082314
I already posted mine ITT. Thanks for deflecting though, it told me all I need to know

>>96080576
>I don't know a single person under the age of 40 in the professional world or college
FTFY.

>>96082402
Alternative Armies have good stuff too. Except their new webstore, that's terrible.
>>96082211
same, I keep doing other stuff

>>96082435
you won't link to it and open yourself up to scrutiny so why should I? I do not need to have my last game tracked back to my blog by a spiteful autist or mental case
>it told me all I need to know
all roads lead to everyone with an icky lopinion being nogames and you being a very special boy for playing games because you're a sperg living in a fantasy land

>>96082520
Nope, you're coping. I do like the blog excuse, that's the first time I've seen that one.

>>96079282
Yeah. I didn't care what apologists say. Units getting a bigger threat range to the rear than the front is the dumbest shit ever in a game pretending to be a rank and flank.

>>96079238
>SOVL
Pretty based as a video game. IDK how I'd feel as a table top.

>>96082554
thanks for proving that victrix haters are consistantly nogames and nomodels anon, been seeing some of your moderns stuff here and there, keep up the good work!

>>96082554
There is a guy on /hhg/ that does the exact same thing down to almost word for word
>" I do not need to have my last game tracked back to my blog by a spiteful autist or mental case"
Except rather than a blog it's his instagram page.

>>96083102
It's a bit silly. So what if someone found his blog? What are they going to do, track down his employer and tell them that he was arguing about toy models on the internet?

>>96083159
The Instagram one is even dumber. What you gonna do, send him a mean dm?

>>96082554
What's the scatter dice used for?

>>96083159
>>96083173
Nothing, they won't do anything because his blog/page doesn't exist and is just an excuse on why he won't post his models.

>>96083189
It's art symbolizing the role of man as a pawn in the inscrutable games of higher beings.

>>96083189
I threw a smoke grenade in the hallway and failed my roll so it scatter d6 inches

upgraded my historical jurigged for oathmark army by completing 2 more men at arms to lead the spearmen detachment and jipping a few of the non bow weilding archer units to increase the spearmen unit to 15 to get at that "esser trained, higher volume" feel.

>>96083626
Why not play a real game like Billhooks, which has historical realism but also a fantasy supplement? Certainly better than wasting your time on Queefmark

>>96083641
>Billhooks
>Fantasy
Oathmark is a trash game for trash people but billhooks is even worse.

>>96083641
I like the rules (like taking away minis as damage, always been a fan of warhammer fantasy and its system) and am decently familiar. also the kingdom making appeals to me. still need to look into billhooks more deeply. thats more war of the roses, no? not that it matters to much, close enough period wise.

>>96083641
You know the many GW threads would love to have your low IQ shitposting in it. You should go there.

>>96081742
Because running a good business, treating your customers well, making good games and making good models are different skillsets and few company if any have basic competence in each.

>>96083664
what's a tasty game for tasty people?

>>96083888
Infamy! Infamy! and Charlie Don't Surf.

>>96083664
>>96083641
>>96083023
Nobody hates victrix, I just said being fairly proportionate the weapons can be a little flimsy... you guys need to use your words and just explain why you like x or think y is better, we have been over this lol. This board is like a special bus driving off a cliff

>>96082618
>describes edge case
>muh game is broken

What do you play?

>>96084120
A thing I don't like about Victrix is the foot tabs. Not by themselves, it's more for some of them like the naked gallic fanatics you need to multibase them since one of the four poses doesn't fit into a 25mil round.

>>96084148
I have just accepted that with all of them you've really got to handle them with care, go slow assembling and cleaning and mix and match to make the best of it sometimes.

I'm happy with most minis we have today except GW ones, which I cannot really afford nor easily put together.

>>96082618
>bigger threat range to the rear
How do you figure that?

>>96082618
>Units getting a bigger threat range to the rear than the front is the dumbest shit ever in a game pretending to be a rank and flank.
They don't, they have a significantly narrower threat range and you got comprehensively blown the fuck out the last time you sperged out on this shit. Riddle me this, because the last two times I brought it up you ran away:
Describe the mechanical difference between a wheel to the rear in Oathmark and a form-to-the-rear in any other rank-and-flank game.

Oathmark:
>pass a leadership check
>have clear flanks and an enemy to the rear
>wheel, then charge
Every other R/F game
>pass leadership check
>flip the movement tray in place, no requirement for clear flanks
>charge
Oathmark is MORE restrictive than most historical R&F games, with the caveat that some games inflict Disruption on a unit that fails the reform


Oh, and re-read the actual charge and flanking rules, they'll be edifying

>>96084223
He's a dipshit who doesn't know what a rank-and-flank game is.

>>96082244
>low resolution poor sculpt quality
Are their stls really that bad?

>>96080382
Has anyone made high quality stuff with siocast? I know Corvus Belli had large issues with war crow, but I don't know if the problem is siocast itself or their implementation of it.
I'm asking because there's a kickstarter with sculpts I really like that's all siocast. The creator claims it's to increase detail over what he can achieve with metal. For production runs in this scale obviously HIPS doesn't make sense, but I'm still not convinced about siocast over metal or resin.

Just so you're all aware, the sperg in this thread is chinese (or some kind of weird simp for china)

He's latched onto hating WGA because he was told in another thread that they no longer manufacture in china.

>>96085079
Meds

>>96085063
>The creator claims it's to increase detail over what he can achieve with metal
That's bullshit.

What siocast does is allow to pour models cheaper and with way less setup. Any idiot can do it.

>>96085063
That's 100% bullhonky. Metal keeps detail so well that some old sculpts from the 80s still have readable fingerprints in the crevices from the sculptor making the master model by hand.

>>96085063
Siocast does in fact let you pull some molds that would shred themselves in metal. The problem is, it's also shit. By which I mean extremely soft, hard to fix, and very prone to mold lines/slippage. The reason it's so popular is that you can retrofit siocast into a metal spincaster and on the production side it largely handles like metal, while being vastly cheaper both to ship and as a raw material. You also don't need to pack it nearly as carefully as metal, a simple clamshell is generally fine.

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>>96085203
Thanks for the input lads, it still leaves my main question open, have you seen a good siocast model range?
Rather than parrot the kickstarter creator's points I'll copy his explanation verbatim, so it's clear it's his words. The guy knows how to do high detail metal (pic), so I find it hard to believe he's just wrong, but he could obviously be lying to make a sale.
>We have good reasons for opting for Siocast, it has not been made on cost grounds, but rather artistic ones. In our first Kickstarter we had most of the miniatures produced in white metal, some larger bulky parts were made in pressure cast resin. At the time I was very much in the “metal” camp, to my mind we were making Oldhammer models in the Oldhammer way. However, once I had received production casts of the initial release I was very disappointed when I compared them to my masters: there was the usual shrinkage but there was a serious lack of fidelity, the casts had simply not picked up all the detailing from the originals. When it came to our second Kickstarter, the Dragon, we planned to try out Siocast on certain components, such as the wings, where having a lighter material would aid the assembly of the model and allow it to retain stability. The results were very good in my estimations, and had been remarked upon by a number of backers. We could not have achieved that level and crispness of detail in white metal, irrespective of production costs.

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>>96085203 (me)
>have you seen a good siocast model range?
Not yet. At least, not one that's easier to work with than metal or plastic. I've been semi-actively avoiding it.
>is he lying
Honestly? Probably not. Ian Miller's art is horrendously busy, it's *exactly* the sort of shit that's virtually impossible to cast in metal because it absolutely destroys molds after a few dozen or a hundred castings. Siocast does tend to warp less and preserve molds better. You do have to design the miniature for the material, though. Not sure stuff like that long, thin spear haft or the blade on Viridius' spear are going to do anything but warp all to fuck. He's also using a harder variant (similar to Bones Black, from what I understand) rather than the softer stuff Cyberpunk Red is using.
So.. could be great, might not be, probably couldn't be done well in metal, and I understand why he's making the choice as a garage company.

>>96082618
Kek no, your bullshitying through your teeth. At best a unit in oathmark has half the threat range to its rear. If you couldn't wheel, so had to pivot and reform, you basically don't have a threat range at all, unless the enemy was one inch away to start.
Are you really still salty about your attempts to push billhooks fantasia was categorically rejected by pretty much everyone?

>>96085245
The Reaper Bones stuff isn't completely awful. It's a little soft on the details, but not to an extreme. But they're also using a custom material in the siocast system, so it might not even count as "siocast". The oddity with their stuff is that it doesn't need to be primed to paint, but it's hydrophobic so you have to use unthinned paint on the base layer. Their own paint range is actually up to the task as long as you're very careful about wiping excess off your brush.

>>96085357

Ahh, the classic /awg/ feud between oathmark and billhooks.

>>96082671
The tabletop version of the rules is available online though I find it's missing some things (the spell list isn't there). Other than that it looks pretty functional.

>>96085245
Eh, you can get more detail from metal than that, but it's pretty rare to see it. There's also other issues like mould wear, especially when the model is spiky.

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>>96085594
Thanks, yes the sculpts are very busy and spiky. I think the KS realistically will have castings in the hundreds, so maybe mold durability wouldn't be a big issue anyways, but I get the impression he's pushing things to the extreme and making sculpts that early citadel mold makers would have outright rejected.
>>96085359
Good to know. Reaper have had many material changes for their non-metals, so if they tried all that and landed on a siocast variant that's reassuring.
I'm leaning towards taking the chance, Ian Miller's art was always a favourite.

>>96083208
Well to be fair I stumbled on Matt the tiny Roman painter and Chess the tiny Orc painter on Facebook because they couldn't be bothered to upload a different picture. I called out Chess here for fun once and I think he shat his pants but appart from that yeah, that's as much as one can do.

>>96085079
Source: I made it up

>>96083888
Ch-ch-ch-checked! I'd say the whole Twilight Of serie, every Sam Mustafa's wargames, Lost Battles from Philip Sabin, Napoleon's Triumph as well as Bonaparte at Marengo and Triomphe à Marengo by Simmons.

>>96085079
I thought WGA announced they were moving production to the UK because the owner threw a tantrum over Trump's tariffs? It was never made it China, it was previously manufactured in the USA. That's why it is called Wargames ATLANTIC, because he is a British boomer living across the Atlantic in the US

>>96085203
I think Siocast is also popular because there is less wastage. You can recycle it.To be honest I think each manufcaturer has more or less found thie rown formula and some that used to be terrible like Warlord are much better now.

That being said it is a weird material. A lot of the marketing guff about there being almost no cleanup and being able to paint without priming just wasn't true.

So in my estimation it's probably where a lot of kits will go and that's probably okay but they ar charging too much for it.

>>96086209
He ismdoing both US and UK to meet demand and get around tariffs.

>>96083888
Necromolds

>>96086209
Their first year or too of production was done in China, but then COVID hit and in order to avoid the shitshow of shipping out of China and relying on Chinese factories, he moved production to the the States.

Then he twinned production in the US and the UK, after Trump decided to start a global trade war.

>>96087206
This. It would be nice if people would get some information first, before spreading weird rumours.

At this point, they have two factories, and their molds are split between the two locations in US and UK, and they shift them back and forth to make their sets in both locations.
They explained in some post that shipping molds with DHL is faster and cheaper than shipping containers full of miniatures (and potentially pay tariffs for that too).

>>96086266
That looks hilarious, thanks for the tip Anon. How necessary would you say the expansions are?

>>96087686
oh, I don't know, I thought you wanted to eat them so the little molds could be used with cookie dough or something

Can anyone ID these monopose lizard knights?

I discovered them a while back and I've already forgotten which 90s board game they're from

>>96089552
Reptiliads?

>>96089736
Aye very similar lad and it's just not coming to mind

Gentlemen, could any of you recommend me some good female cyborgs minis? I already own several that could be counted as such from Infinity, Urban War and Papsikels. It's not just for my coomer satisfaction, but I want to make a gynoid 5 parsecs crew.
>>96089552
I think these were made by the same guys who made tehnolog

>>96089944
Checkpoint Miniatures have some but they're not as sharp as Infinity for example

The lizard guys aren't Tehnolog unfortunately, they're from a 90s boardgame like Heroquest or Dark World or Legend of Zagor or Dragonstrike with monopose miniatures

>>96089944
Look at HINT (human interface nakamura tower or sth), they had Infinity-like minis with slightly different style and good detail, people used to poach them for Infinity NPCs.

>>96090040
Oh that is just great, I immidately went to order it and.... turns out Checkpoint is one of those brit sellers that doesn't ship stuff to EU anymore. Crap
>>96090043
Yes, I know of them. They're doing a patreon for 3d minis called UNIT9.

>>96089944
Urban War Synthas?

>>96090436
Yeah, I got these exact biomechs. I thought about getting Neo Pi from syntha as well, but she was out of stock when I was ordering the biomechs.

>>96089944
I think Crooked Doce has some options.

>>96090673
The Crooked Dice ones are more like the Mars Attacks beehive lady (including a literal expy of that) rather than sleek cyberpunk razor ladies or Nier.

>>96090820
Actually scratch that, they do have some that are a little sleeker.

>>96064600 (OP)
Just picked up Sword Weirdos and Space Weirdos. Both seem simple enough to play mai waif will be able to understand them. What are some other campaign-centered skirmish games where you can play literally whatever you want? I just got into 3d printing, and there a ton of cool indie models out there but most game systems I've seen so far pigeonhole you into picking a faction and the equipment lists appropriate for that faction rather than just building a list from the models you already have. For example, I want to run some frogmen with spears and the wife wants to use busty cheesecake models that are equipped with whatever the modeller thought looked good

>>96084445
You’ll never guess what, Anon. He ran away a THIRD time! Imagine my surprise and shock.

>>96084445
Cope. Pathmark pivot routes are broke.

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