Ancient Enemies Edition

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>Previous Thread:
>>96061534

>Thread Question:
Which dogs of war unit are you hoping comes back? Are there any units you want to add to your armies specifically?

>TQ
Just the Greek looking stuff and that undead company

>>96069653 (OP)
Do games of Warhammer Fantasy really look like this or is this just a disgusting example?

>>96069667
It was posted in the bad terrain thread for a reason

>>96069667
What annoys me about this is that neither of these two lads were willing to put in even the tiny about of effort to bother smoothing out the grass mat before plopping their shit down on top of it

mail carrier dropped off kino today

>>96069715
Absolute kino that probably cost a small fortune eh

>>96069667
At times yeah, sometimes your LGS fucks you with a card tournament so you host and use whatever is available.
Generally I think people strive for decent terrain especially in the age of cheap 3d options for minimal effort.

Horsey guys coming together well. Got about 36 men at arms left to print, then a unit of foot knights and my BSB, plus a damsel on unicorn, but after that I should be good to get these guys base coated.

>>96069715
The corners aren't even dented, by god. Enjoy the first whiff of that vintage 1990s GW factory air.

>>96069653 (OP)
I want to get into old world, but I have pretty limited time for building/painting. What's a good elite/low model count army I can do?

>>96069715
I have a tiranoc chariot of this era and the fact it was sealed has prevented me from opening it. Same with a cauldron of blood.

>>96070092
Lowest model count would be ogres. You could also do tomb kings and put most of your points in constructs which are pretty points heavy. Still need to paint some skellies but that's easy

>>96070092
Warriors of Chaos is another relatively lower model count army.

>>96070092
Warriors can be done very elite. Ogres too but they are legacy so that may put you off.

How common are Griffon riders in the Empire? Most of the Elector Counts and Knight Order Masters are depicted on horses, and I figure if they had a griffon they'd ride it. The only Character i can think of depicted riding one is Karl.

>>96070092
you'll get bored with an elite army.

>LGS still out of stock of square bases
>Games workshop out of stock
>Want to base my six minotaurs I got from an AoS army box years ago

>>96070147
https://a.co/d/czLtasU

Retard

>>96070130
Gausser also commonly rides a griffon. Those are the two with named mounts, the others can get one if they need it but don't do so all the time.

Finished my razorgor.

>>96070130
Pretty rare, generals and wizards can take one but you'd probably only see 1 to 2 in a large army.

>>96070147
I printed myself several bags of plastic 20mm, swarm and cav bases on a filament shit machine. That's one of the few acceptable uses of proontshit in the hobby, and I suggest you consider it.

>Dogs of war will feature swarthy Estalians
Big if true.

>>96070165
Your piggy looks great!

>>96070155
Minotaurs go on 50mm not 25mm you prostate self stimulating, child molesting, ethnic, cultural and religious Jew

>>96070165
What an ugly abomination
>well done anon, it looks solid.

>>96070165
Not enough highlights, the skin and bristles are too dark and monotone. Give it a light drybrush of a lighter shade of brown.

>>96070147
>>96070155
I've bought a bunch these. Only comment would be they're like a fraction bigger than the GW ones. Doesn't really matter much, but it did give me some issues when making my own movement trays since the small difference can add up. You can just shave the sides of them down a bit with a razor though.

>>96070186
Evemodel makes every base size there is.

>>96070209
Oh okay thank you anon.
Upon further inspection I've found the 50mm square bases and have ordered some.

I apologize for my outburst

>>96070174
That's kind of what I was thinking, but I was questioning it from the OP image, where they have a few flying around it seems. Obviously that's a big ass battle, but I wonder how many the average Imperial army. Like how many a province could muster up between all their generals and local knightly orders.

Are there savage orc stls

>>96070235
>savage orc stls
I literally just pulled some up googling your post.

>>96070246
Ones that don’t look like shit

>>96070209
Disregard the shipping was over double the cost of the item itself. Being an Aussie is objectively better than being a burger in all ways but this

>>96070222
The richer ones maybe like a dozen, the poorer ones would be lucky to have 1 or 2

>>96069178
Well it was 750/800 prior to TOW era indeed but the Knights Panther are still there too.

>HH getting 40k/AoSified
>the Cathay release signals a similar trend; no customisability for anything not in the GW mandated box
What are you faggots going to do when 2E comes out and James gives TOW the same treatment it did to his 3 other big games and simplifies it to the point of infancy? You'll be begging to play classic editions of Warhammer Fantasy, but you won't be able to because all your minis are on shit-ugly 25mm based lmao. Too bad piggies.

>>96070495
I’m not buying into old world until they release savage orcs anyways.

>>96070495
Oh well, guess I'll play a better fantasy mass battle system then.

>>96070495
oh no, all my figs now fit comfortably on bases suitable for modern sized minis, whatever shall I do

>>96070516
>WHF 6th
>Warmaster
>Oathmark
What are other actually good fantasy games? I'm not playing Trannies of War or ASOIAF.

>>96070549
One page rules, turnip 28, and that’s it.

some anon shared 3d scans of 4th-6th edition models a few weeks back, anyone know where I can find these?

WHERE IS THE PREYTON YOU FUCKS!

>>96070130
>>96070162
Wolfram Hertwig also rides a griffon, Bloodfeather.

But griffons generally are rare, if only because they eat so much you need to be a wealthy noble to support one. The number of explicit mentions of people owning griffons is very low. I can't even remember any more names off the top of my head.

I don't think it's ever been detailed to any great depth. Imperial Griffons are supposed to be different to wild ones (and bigger) so they must breed them in captivity. Although the most famous 'Imperial griffon', Deathclaw, was a gift from the Wood Elves apparently, so who the fuck knows.
Realistically, strapping your heads of state to the back of a flying animal and then sending them off into battle seems like a truly retarded idea, but it's fantasy, so eh.

>>96070652
Thanks for the correction, I'm senile and forgot about Hertwig.

>>96070652
>Imperial Griffons are supposed to be different to wild ones (and bigger) so they must breed them in captivity. Although the most famous 'Imperial griffon', Deathclaw, was a gift from the Wood Elves apparently
My headcanon is that it's a subspecies, not a domesticated breed. It's near-extinct or just exceedingly rare in the wild, so most (but not all) out there are captive bred.

>>96070652
The only lore I know of how griffons are acquired is that eggs are gathered from the mountains and they're hatched and reared in captivity. I've always read "Imperial Griffon" as just being like a subspecies of larger griffon
>the lord of all sedans..

There's no realistic way you could captive breed an intelligent, giga-powerful animal like a Griffon that also flies. The measures you'd have to take to prevent it from flying away would drive it insane, like an elephant in a small enclosure. So then when saddled up for battle it would just go berserk and shred everyone.

Demigriffs seem plausible to breed, however, simply because they can't fly and are smaller and not as devastatingly strong. You could make a big stone-walled enclosure with iron gates to keep them and feed them only butchered meat so they never learn humans have food inside them. And realistically if you found a population of such creatures you'd want to breed them. Your culture would abandon any prior friendship with horses and declare demigriffs best animal forever.

>>96070689
Imperial Griffons are explicitly selectively-bred. And ironically, Demigryphs are not - they're tamed from the wild as adults. There's a really fine line to tread for monstrous mounts between 'how and why do they keep these creatures?' and 'why doesn't every knight ride one?'. I'm not sure the existing background hits that very well.

There's also Pegasi, which can be bred and aren't entirely carnivorous which makes you wonder why anyone bothers travelling through the dark forests of the old world when they could just fly everywhere.

>>96070689
I'm relatively sure demigriffs also don't get bred in captivity, but unlike griffins they don't take the eggs to raise but knights who want to ride one have to break and tame a wild one as a test of skills or someshit.
If I had to try and rationalise the overgrown imperial griffins, I'd say that a constant and heavy diet griffons can have in captivity while growing up may end up boosting their growth way more, since a juvenile wild griffin would probably eat way less, I don't imagine parental cares continuing past the moment they're able to move out of their nest and I imagine a small griffon in a forest of monsters would eat carcasses more than hunt.

>>96070768
Pegasi probably cost an awful lot, are temperamental enough that if you're not a big shot who trained a long while with one, it may drop you off midflight, and the skies of the old world are also probably dangerous, you're an easily visible meal for wild griffins and wyverns.

>>96070768
>and 'why doesn't every knight ride one?
speaking of, why doesn't ulthuan have demigryphs? and why do dragon princes use horses instead of pegasi or some other beast?

>>96070820
Ulthuan got made before the catastrophe, demigriffs and griffons and pegasi are creatures born from the catastrophe, griffons and pegasi can fly and thus migrated to ulthuan, but in small numbers, demigriffs cannot fly and thus remained in the old world.

>>96070786
I justified it as they're like zebras - they don't live in herds like horses, so unlike horses you can't supplant the head of the herd. Which makes them hard to train. They're also surprisingly monstrous - they can and do eat meat.

In my WFRP campaign the players went to Parravon and I quite enjoyed their encounter with the Duke's head falconer/stablemaster who I based on Hodgesaaargh from Discworld. Basically a Bretonnian peasant with one arm, one leg and about three remaining fingers who is nevertheless autistically passionate about monsters.

>>96070768
>Imperial Griffons are explicitly selectively-bred.
I'll believe you on that, and I knew demigryphs weren't bred. There's not a lot of attention paid to internal consistency or logistics in the lore...

>>96070820
It's a random chance for what chaos-mutated creatures spawn near your base.
Ulthuan got giant lions, eagles, griffons and more fucked up and retarded monsters they just have to purge.
Naggaroth got hydras, manticores and harpies.
Bretonnia has Hippogriffs, but no demigryphs or manticores.

>>96070827
Bullshit, ulthuan wasn't spared from its share of mutant monsters.

>>96070845
>chimera
flies
>cockatrice
flies
>harpy
flies
>manticore
flies
>wyvern
flies

>giant scorpion
>gorgon
>hydra
imported by dark elf raids
>giant spider
>giant wolf
>troll
imported by grom's raid

>>96070831
Because gay little elves sing to their mounts or some sissy shit. Empire chads earn their respect by showing their strength and being Alpha or becoming friends with them like Franz.

>>96070549
Midgard comes to mind.
Modded Pike and Shotte too.

>no talk of demons post errata
They're dead dead arent they

>>96070969
All Legacy factions are dead

Does The Press of Battle also apply for a unit fighting an enemy at their flank or rear? Since the Fighting Rank rule was changed so you also form one on any side you have an enemy unit

Have you guys read the latest Cathay article?

https://litter.catbox.moe/h38z97ck07qs476t.pdf

finished my second warhawk rider

>>96070969
always have been

>>96071050

Not yet, thanks for posting desu~

Has the rest of the latest WD been scanned?

>>96070829
>like zebras - they don't live in herds

>>96071050
lol, they're showing the wrong head here, this is not the female head, it's the male head with a different scheme and no whiskers

>>96071050
You just know.

>>96071122

>>96071100
I think anon is confused by the patterns and thinks that's a single zebra

>>96071092
You're welcome. :)
>Has the rest of the latest WD been scanned?
It has. Here it is:

https://litter.catbox.moe/aflizu5z6lqqp2p7.pdf

>>96071100
Sorry, that was unclear. The pertinent part was 'like horses'. Zebras (depending on the species) don't have the same tight family hierarchy as horses.

>>96071122
>>96071125
Oh shoot, you're right.
Bit of a fuckup.

>>96071122
>>96071125

>>96071136

Thanks anon~

>>96071100
>>96071132
It's true, Zebras are fiercely independent, they just happen to very occasionally bump into each other en masse.

>>96071157
You're not really convincing me here, anon

>>96070044
Start painting, my dude

>>96071050
>Repeats exactly the same 'there is no conflict in Cathay' bullshit but directly from the author's mouths.
So much for the 'it's in-world propaganda' cope. Seems like a lazy cut and paste of the same text, even.

>>96071145
>Zebras (depending on the species) don't have the same tight family hierarchy as horses.
They do though. Both are usually harem groups of a single stallion with the pecking order decided by seniority. Then there are the bachelor herds that exist in both groups.

>>96071191
Yeah, they keep avoiding every opportunity to add some nuance into the faction, it's disheartening.

What was the reception of the Cathay release, anyway?

>>96071191
>>96071244
Remind me why anyone in 2025 has any faith that GW will give us a good game with cool lore?

>>96071297
Mostly positive. The most recent Horus Heresy 3.0 fuck up may have caused some collateral damage to Warhamer the Old World due to it also being associated with Specialist Design Studios.

>>96071297
it's cool but like the Votann for 40k they're missing too much units. Currently waiting for a second wave of figures to get them or not

>>96071193
God, it turns out the internet is a complete mess on this subject and I can find tons of sources that say completely contradictory things on zebra social hierarchy. Maybe confused by the fact that Plains, Mountains and Grevy's Zebras are all quite different in social organisation.
Search for zebra vs horse social hierarchy and you'll see what I mean.

>>96071325
>The most recent Horus Heresy 3.0 fuck up may have caused some collateral damage to Warhamer the Old World due to it also being associated with Specialist Design Studios.

WTF is going on with Horus Heresy?

>>96071336
List building got simplified to discourage kitbashing and using third-party bits.

>>96071064
Looks fuarkin sick kunt

Probably the worst cuisine in the Empire.

>>96071332
Most anti-zebra propaganda is purely down to the fact that the African natives never domesticated them. People have to search for reasons why, because otherwise they fear some people might settle on the idea that Africans are retarded. I don't think that's fair, lots of species could have been domesticated but were not.
But that's the reason you're likely to come across weird zebra information despite there being plentiful evidence of tame Zebras.

Anyone got a good tutorial on how to paint muted , grimy skaven with contrast + drybrushing to mask the pooling? Never tried this approach before, so I'd love to get some advice for the right primer and colours.

>>96071050
This is just the review articles with so pictures. Literally nothing new

>>96071387
what a shame, imagine if they were domesticated like the horse, they would have made for bitching looking steeds

>>96069653 (OP)
I guess Cathay really is perfect now then, what the fuck

>>96071423
>Prime grey
>Slather the entire mini in a thinned down skin colour

>Block out metals (dont use metallic paint you fuck)

>Block out all other materials with thinned down paint so the whole miniature is within the same range tonally

>Glaze the tails a darker/lighter/redder colour. Again thin your paints to keep it within the same tonal range as the skin
>Add highlights to the metals

>Add final touches (teeth, eyes, highlights on skin and cloth

Done ya fuck, it's not hard

>>96071578
I refuse to believe the arcane journal is anything but cathay's own propaganda.

>>96071578
This is even contradicted in the Arcane Journal opening paragraph

>>96071591
That's from the new White Dwarf article

>>96070689
>>96070768
interesting discussion, but I definitely would not put too much weight on demigryphs in how they relate to the overall picture. they weren't introduced until 8th, which was after GW had canned or driven off most of the creative talent and stopped giving a damn about the coherency of the setting. integrating the work of successor writers who didn't give a fuck, did no research and just shot from the hip in to a larger setting's canon is always a headache.

>>96071601
Still cathay propaganda.

>>96071609
fuck off retard

>>96071423
this anon's method is good >>96071589

but also, if you're getting a lot of issues with pooling contrast on a model as small as a skaven, go a little lighter on the paint. contrast still works in thin coats, you don't need to blob it on there.

Is there an updated pdf of the rulebook with the 1.5 faq changes?

>>96071609
If the intent for cathay is to be initially presented as a powerful nation that eventually, post-TOW, succumbs to its own weight and can't thrive without the presence of the dragon emperor, then that's cool. But when that's not even hinted at in any of the released fluff for the army, then I'm starting to have doubts.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that GW is fucking retarded for making an army that has zero current flaws. When loyal GW consoomers are begging GW to give them flaws or for them to "stop writing propaganda", then that's a sign something is screwed up with the whole situation.

>>96071589
What's wrong with metallic paints?

>>96071601
clearly the internal rebellions are from chaos cults, the nation is perfect!

>>96071589
I have no rat in this race, but metallic paints painted over black or brown can look very good and it's really easy to make them grimy and dull afterward if you don't want them to be shiny. You just have to thin them down properly. NMM is cool and all, but don't do it on skaven, that's retarded. I assume anon wants to be able to actually play a game with fully painted models some time this century.

>>96071630
I agree. Like >>96071601 said, even the Arcane Journal mentions it has rebellions so there IS indeed disharmony.
And there would have been plenty of room for the dragon siblings to be little shits and squabble over petty borders between their assigned lands. Shit, GW could have had a story about the Dragon Emperor disappearing, either out of the country of lost in his contemplations like a Slann, for a time and the dragon kids could have formed up their own factions and gone through a Romance of the Three Kingdoms style massive civil war with larger-than-life heroes and villains and betrayals and shifting alliances.
But no. We get "everything is totally perfect and harmonious and no one ever fights or gets sad or starves because everything is totally good"

>>96071666
Sorry yes I forgot you'd need to do this x40

Coat black then thin metallic and slap some rust/blood/shit effects on it

>>96071675
The thing is that Cathay supposedly is undergoing that massive civil war currently in The Old World but there's basically nothing about it in the current AJ. The Dragon Emperor disappears in 1999 IC. Then he returns and throws out the Monkey King in 2380 but that's basically all the fluff for that era, along with the dragon siblings fighting each other and eventually uniting against the Monkey King. Cathay is in the warring states period right now, the Time of Darkness and Disharmony.
If the second Arcane Journal for Cathay doesn't tell us about any of this shit then I'm out. Supremely disappointed.

>>96071719
It's so sad that GW is so intent on pandering to modern china that it's ignoring all the fascinating aspects of historical china it should be drawing from.

>>96071050
>To help scale the Sentinel, there are lots of
little devotional ribbons tied around its
legs, representing how Cathayan people
have asked it for protection or else given it
their blessings for the battles to come.
They're only featured low down on the
model, though, because that’s as high as
regular people can reach!
Surprisingly soulful

>>96071382
cooking with beer is actually great

So are skaven, vampires, dark elves and lizards coming once the last legacy units are refreshed or discontinued in AoS?

>>96071835
No

>>96071835
I think GW is playing The Old World by feel at the moment.

>>96071835
That's the running speculation, but we have no official confirmation about that.

>>96071835
skaven, vampires, and lizards are for sure not leaving age of sigmar, though enough of their ranges have been replaced with updated kits that old world may get the older 2000s kits.

dark elves are still currently in use in aos, so you'll probably have to wait an edition for those

>>96071835
no
play Forces of Fantasy™ and Ravening Hordes™ or dont play piggie

>>96072003
>botslop

>>96072013
Cram it, Fundie!

>>96072079
Did you ask a bot to give you something to reply with or do low quality botposts come natural to you now?

>>96072099
Cram it, Poofter!

I am already thinking of my next purchase for my WoC. Should I purchase 6 more Chaos Knights? I currently have 5.

>>96069667

No. I made a bunch of fantasy terrain for the game when Old World was launched. I tried picking up one of those old static mats but don't use it because it creases up too much. Currently working on some trees. Thinking of making some rivers and ponds / lakes next. I'd really like to make a desert board soon.

>>96072293
Sure, as long as it's the WFB chaos knights kit and not the AoS one.

The WFB is so much nicer to kitbash with. I am using it atm to make khorne knights.

>>96072307
I got 5 of the TOW, who are stupidly big but was actually looking at hunchback lance Warriors.

>>96072307
looking nice

>>96072303
Thought about making stuff like baggage trains for your army anon?

>>96069674
>bad terrain thread
Got a link? Sounds kino.

>>96071666
>I have no rat in this race
saw what you did there, satan
top shelf work

>>96072293
>my next purchase for my WoC
>I currently have 5
>Should I purchase 6 more Chaos Knights?
Yes. 5 are rookie numbers, gotta pump those up my boy.

>>96072335

Wanted to make some objective markers. Not sure if I can be bothered to make scratch build baggage trains. Maybe if I can get some spare wagon wheels.

>>96072336
nta but here you go
>>96058937

>>96072393
thats the kind of thing where you build one wheel and then just use bluestuff to make copies

>>96072357
It shall be done...unlike their foot counterparts, Chaos and Chosen Knights have been, in a word, incredible.

>>96070092
WoC you can basically have 2k points with just the army box

Just finished this scorpion, just needs the pigment powder and it's done.

>>96071005

It does... the bigger question I have is exactly how do the "everyone who is within their basic move in the Fighting Rank can fight" interact with Lance Formation?
And my other question is... if you pursue a unit that Fell Back in Good order... do you lose the Press of Battle rule? Make it so it would actually be better if they just stepped back, because that would be counter-intuitive.

>>96071608
Tbh I still don't like Demigriphs.
I feel like there were tons of monsters the could have used, and Demigriphs feel like a flanderization.

people are posting Sea Wardens pages?

>>96072320
I am an ardent hunchback chaos enthusiast and I assure you I'm completely unbiased when I say the 5th ed knight kit is excellent. You might have some issues getting them to rank up if you put them on slottabases, but a little bit of filing down and cutting should get the job done.

>>96072872
Sure, is there anything specific you want?

>>96072890
new careers any good?
I'd love to see new lore but the dwarf book didn't really have a ton so I'm not holding my breath here

>>96072925
New careers were in the player Guide released a couple of months ago, and they seem decent overall.
High Magic is very much something a Player would have to min-max for.
As for new lore, I guess Tor Koruali is given a lot of depth that wasn't there previously, but I'm not sure how much of it is brand new or just the C7 writers going off information that was in the William King Teclis and Tyrion books.
I think the mention of a Khornate Elf is new, but it's just a footnote for an NPC the PCs could, in theory, interact with.

>>96072886
I'd be buying second hand but the images show the set provided from the seller would rank up fine. I'll look to buying soon.

>>96072777
>if you pursue a unit that Fell Back in Good order... do you lose the Press of Battle rule?
You count as having charged so yes you lose the second rank but you get your charge bonuses and like strike first

>>96069653 (OP)
Working on my goats, what are you anons doing for old world stuff this weekend?

>>96073018
Still looking for someone to buy chaos warriors

>>96072963
High Magic isn't even worth minmaxing for in any kind of regular game. Getting access to it takes 10k+ xp minimum assuming you only take the prerequisites and nothing. Even Blood of Aenarion barely scratches the surface. I genuinely don't know how anyone would get to that point naturally, and I've been running my WFRP campaign every week for 5 years.

>>96073048
It's probably not even meant for players to use, but for NPCs like the Slann mage-priests or other high end casters

>>96072963
do they talk about the sea guards' organization at all? Cothique seems to be all about naval tradition yet are always overshadowed by Eataine/Lothern

>>96073292
Sea Guard get some info in the player guide, but the Sea Wardens do cover the Scions of Mathlann in their role in Cothique and Cothique's navy is gone into with a bit of depth.

>>96073389
how different are the Scions from the Sea Guard?

>>96073567
The Scions are just a spearman regiment that has connections to Mathlann's cult and are blessed by Mathlann which isn't the case with Sea Guard

>>96073389
was this the book with spites?

Just went to look at Cathay on the store and Gate master is the only non-sold out unit atm in the US, UK also hate the dice taken off so i guess those are sold out.

>>96073640
how will this affect savage orcs or demons

>>96073623
theirs a Spite NPC in the book, but it's the Salzenmund book that have a larger list of Spite statlines in it

>>96073668
There is a Spite NPC*

>>96073660
More sales in general should increase the odds of any individual army getting an expansion since it means more eyes on the game. So i guess it's good?

Just want ogres to come home already.

>>96074023
I don’t. They’ll either fuck with the games state or become even worse.

>>96071297
I don't know, you tell me.

>https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/the-old-world/grand-cathay

>>96074035
I struggle to see how they can be worse than they currently are. The 1.5 changes hurt them big time and it’s not like they were top tier before.

>>96069667
You would be shocked to know that most TOW tables look worse than that.

>>96074023
Sorry, but the "Ogors" are still a core army in Age of Sigmar.

>>96074160
Eh I’m pretty sure they are coming back to fantasy. They received almost no support for the decade they’ve been in AoS and their implementation has been incredibly sloppy. I look forward to them coming home.

>>96074160
>>96074180
It's pretty funny ngl
They got 1 or 2 characters and Gorgers but not for AoS itself but one of the smaller spin off games.

>>96071297
the models are largely good, with a few gems in the crews
the roster is small but promising
the centerpieces are way too fucking huge
the sentinel is the worst kit to assemble in gw's history, also the easiest to paint
rules are blatantly overtuned to make the shit sell as much as possible
the worldbuilding and integration into the fluff is ridiculous, as if it was propaganda but passed as the word of an impartial god, also lacking depth and basic lore

frankly it could have gone worse, at the end of the day the important thing is that they nail the minis, and that they did for the most part

>>96074180
>goes back to old world
>gets even less support than they had in fantasy battle
I'd be surprised if their arcane journal even had a shred of sovl that beastmen had.

>>96074189
the gorgers are usable in aos proper too
they also got 2 scenery pieces, also usable in aos, and a pair of underworld bands, with the important one with the hunter and sabertooth getting rules for aos proper

>>96074180
>>96074189
Is there a reason why the Delves of Cities of Sigmar are still on square bases?

>>96074244
They care so little for DElves that they can't be bothered to update the rules let alone the models on their site

>>96074270
So why not just squat them from AoS and move them back to Old World?

>>96074280
because they'd need to look for the molds of the old metal and resin stuff and thats too much effort apparently. Not to mention old world is already competing with enough shelf space as it is.

>>96074280
Because that would require caring, see the first 4 words of my previous post

>>96074280
gw moves at a glacial pace, its departments are as uncoordinated as if they were literally blind and deaf, and they apparently want to keep up those dark elves until the release of aos' own unique shadow elves

>>96074039
How much of ToW's poor sales is do to people not wanting to buy +20 year old miniatures at 2025 prices?

>>96074413
TOWs entire identity is to appeal for nostalgia nerds

>>96074413
the prices are actually surprisingly in line with what they used to be
except for the goddamn resin and metal units, for Christ's sake, those are atrocious

>>96074280
that's exactly what's gonna happen a couple of years down the line

>>96074413
>tow
>poor sales
Source? And I swear if you link the PowerPoint with bones but not bolt action as a source for global revenue I will laugh at you.

>>96074413
>at 2025 prices
Still assmad GW didn’t care about smegmar enough to even say happy 10th birthday?

>>96074424
>he isnt informed
He isnt informed, lol.

>>96074429
Its a general assessment that most people have. Smegmar or 40gay affiliated or not.

>>96074444
It shows you don’t play the game or even care enough about it to look up and compare prices. Most kits are cheaper today than they were 15 years ago and that’s without taking inflation into account. All the plastic stuff is super cheap, only the resin and metal is at 2025 prices and even then some things are much cheaper like the chars for $18 CAD.

>>96074413
Peddle your misery bait elsewhere

>>96074466
I do play I just print most of my shit either way. Im not buying the fuck ugly old vampire count kits or having to deal assembling those atrocious sprues.

>>96074413
>2025 prices
The 20+ year old miniatures are being sold for less per model than the were 10+ years ago lol

>>96074474
>Im not buying the fuck ugly old vampire count kits

Those aren't being sold as part of TOW tho? Are you actually trying to comment on TOW sales without any idea of what's even being sold?

>>96074413
I want those old figures.

>>96074477
let me guess, $60 for 30 of the man at arms for bretonians that are older than half the people here.

>>96074488
Instead of guessing go play some games
You claim to do this yet come here with 0 knowledge and a obvious baitposts, curious. Almost like you're just a miserable AoS shitposter bored of a stale general.

>>96074495
>Instead of guessing go play some games
Stores too busy getting the heresy fix so thats all im left to tend with atm.

>>96074488
I don’t believe that you play. You don’t even know what’s being sold. You’re a smegmar troll.

>>96074530
>nogames secondary
Thought so.

>>96074488
So you don't even know that they made new men at arms models? Thanks for showcasing how little you actually know about what you're complaining about anon

>>96074584
>YOU NEED TO KNOW EVERYTHING ON GWS CATALOGUE OR YOU DONT PLAY THE GAME
le sigh. Im moments away from being called perry anon arent I?
>>96074595
40k response. Classy.

>>96074632
>i totally play I just 3d print
>also I’m not aware that VC aren’t being sold by GW
No games smegmar troll.

>>96070652
>Realistically, strapping your heads of state to the back of a flying animal and then sending them off into battle seems like a truly retarded idea, but it's fantasy, so eh.

Well this is based on an age where heads of state were often going into battle. They don't need to charge into the front though, and being on a highly mobile mount that can literally give you a bird's eye view of the battle sounds like something extremely useful to a commander.

>>96074632
>YOU NEED TO KNOW EVERYTHING ON GWS CATALOGUE OR YOU DONT PLAY THE GAME

You need to know what is in their catalogue to complain about their catalogue

>>96074664
GW plastic is overpriced and ugly. Prints are pennies to put out and are objectively better looking. Nuff said.

>>96074706
I see the resin fumes have already given you irreparable brain damage. Hope it was worth saving a thousand dollars on a relatively inexpensive hobby.

>Missing monster, responds to Preyton
>If found please return to nearest herdstone

>>96074712
>resin fumes
People that point fingers at stinky resin have no idea what they're talking about.

>>96074729
Its just cope on his end anon dont worry about it.

>>96074727
i think the minos ate them all

>>96074727
The preyton mould shouldn’t have announced that it had documents that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.

>>96074413
My old State Troop box cost $25 for 10, now it's $85 for 30, instead of $75. Looking at a quick inflation check that almost perfectly covers the inflation in the US over the last 10 years, so really they're the same cost as they were in 8th edition.

Started work on some knights

>>96074727
Stop with this fever dream delusion, if they were going to sell the Preyton again they'd put it in the beastmen arcane journal but that's obviously not the case

>>96074807
>same cost
>
You dramatically undersell how much inflation there has been in the past decade. The models are far cheaper than they were a decade ago. Remember inflation is cumulative too.

>>96074807
75 in 2015 would be closer to 100 bucks now

>>96069715
Yes, you may sit at our table. No talking to Kaitlyn.

>>96074860
101.72 to be exact
Anon is shitposting so dunno why bother responding to him tho anon

Thoughts on one of these as a starting point for an ogre army?

>>96071244
>nuance

I'm expecting them to realise how they've screwed the pooch a little with Cathay, making them too 'good' and we'll see more internal conflict and darkening with the next time they're reviewed, like Tau in 3e.

>>96074807
NTA and TBF I'm in Australia which would have copped it much sooner but the rapid price rises and shrinkflation that came either side of 7th slowed down new purchases dramatically IME. Inflation since 8th is a very selective part of the overall picture.

>>96074995
>ogres my lord

>>96074995
quite reasonable, though remember to give the stormie helmet the snip

Sea Wardens of Cothique pdf when?

>>96075038

SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS!!

>>96074821
Is this some kind of elaborate roleplay joke? That image is literally from the community post where they showed returning models.

>>96075080
Lmao nice try anon,
It's clearly a shop and an average one at that

>>96075080
He’s obviously joking it’s in the arcane journal

>>96073389
>Scouts on flying fish

>>96075334
>This dude doesn't ride his fish

How did we get a great errata while HH got kneecapped? Suits interfered? The creatives don’t care about HH?

Skaven expedition anon here, thoughts?
Also, is it normal for the warp fire thrower to be bigger than the ratling gunner?

>>96075417
the eye of sauron fell on them. It'll be our turn in time.

How do we make banners worthwhile to take on ranged units?

>>96075431
Banners remaining at the end of game should give points

>>96075334
Yep, they use flying fish as best to draw aquatic chariots called Tidecutters

>>96075417
Marinepigs will buy anything, HH doesn't need to be good, it'll print money regardless.

>>96075422
Ratling is ancient
Flamer is merely old but did get scaled up with IoB

>>96075430
First they came for 40k and we said nothing
Then they came for HH and we said nothing
Then they came for TOW and there was no one to speak for us

>>96075462
I should have clarified my warp fire thrower is a metal one. I think it's 6th but I could be wrong.

I don't have any other relevant images so have a pic of my newly assembled verninlord. This bad bad rat is probably gonna enter the field late into the campaign I have planned with my boyfriend who plays tomb kings

>>96075334
If you're wondering, no, C7 didn't make that part up, and yes, it's from 8th edition.

>>96075497
Ah, then I don't know why it'd be bigger
Nice VM, I also have it.
Good luck in your painting and your campaign. Bury those TK back in the sand

>>96075431
Could give a leadership buff against panic? Idk if that would make it worth it but it would mean it actually does something at least.

>>96075455
You haven’t been in the threads or on any HH pages in the past 2 days eh? Go look at YouTube comment on Warhammers HH videos. It’s all negative lmao.

>>96075516
Thanks! Plan on it lol
When I get back home I'll post my warp fire thrower and ratlings and see if anyone can figure out why one is bigger than the other.

Now that level 3 wizards aren't a total meme, I kind of want to field one of these fellas, I love the look.

>>96075603
Gw only cares for the von cumstains

>>96075619
then why is the current list a blood dragon one

>>96075627
>he’s not playing screamers

>>96075603
>>96075627
What would happen if a high level necromacner got bit by a blood dragon or a giga chad warrior got bit by a necrarch

>>96073389
>>96075334
>>96075447
Is this the grounded and gritty Warhammer Fantasy™ I've been hearing so much about

>>96075638
They morb out

>>96075638
they get aids

>>96075642
no, that in the empire

>>96069722
Snagged it on ebay for $100. Cheaper than one of the new sculpts lel
>>96070088
I have a feeling this sat on a shelf for like 25 years
>>96070112
Afraid of unleashing sovl onto the world? Pathetic.
>>96074894
Based. Did yours come with 4 horses too?

>>96069715
So jelly.

>>96074995
Best starting point. Grab two if you can

>>96074807
>>96074829
Isn't this proof that the new Cathay miniatures are reasonably priced for 2025 AoS quality sculps while still being afffordable compared to their 40k and other AoS counterparts?

>>96074995
Don't give AoS any money, unless you don't care about the other legacy ToW armies being locked exclusively behind AoS.

>>96075546
Online outrage doesn't matter to GW. They have been thriving despite much, much worse blunders. There are simply enough whales who will buy their every product no matter what.

>>96075817
>Don't buy AOS-branded packaging, because it'll prevent you from buying TOW-branded packaging in the future

>>96075834
N-no you don’t understand. They’re putting a gun to golfag right now!

>>96075834
And Legacy armies like Chaos Dwarfs will forever stay legacy armies.

>>96071297
Pre-orders (including a wave 2) sold out in minutes at my LGS, I missed it by an hour. I was surprised.

>>96075849
Oh no, how atrocious, they won't get a bad supplement book

>>96075849
All that really matters is Chaos Dwarfs getting new sculpts, which is all but confirmed.

>>96074995
Great box, which of course means they already replaced it. If it's available near you and you're interested in ogres definitely pick it up. The new spearhead is quite a step down in value (especially from a tow perspective)

>>96075882
>>96075886
Only for AoS, they won't be tournment legal in GW ran ToW tournaments.

>>96075905
>they won't be tournment legal in GW ran ToW tournaments
imagine giving even half a shit

>>96075905
>tournament shitter

>>96075905
oh no

anyway

>>96075905
Tournaments are run, not ran.

>>96075905
>AoS shitposter doesn't know how accepted renegade and legacy armies and models are officially.
Retard. Here's your (you)

>>96076037
At least we will get to play Chorfs legally at our future AoS tournaments and not have some TO/Judge arbitrarily rig the rules against Chorf players because GW seeing an army without a 8th edition army book win tournaments would be bad for business.

>>96075905
>gw ran tournaments
Not a problem at all unless you live in Nottingham. The big tourneys all over Europe use renegade pack lists.

>>96076117
I do not like this particular chorf army

>>96076117
Why are you posting Age of Sissy stuff in our general?
Nobody cares about GW tournaments anyway since Old World is a grassroots community that does not depend on James.

>>96076117
No it wouldn't it if that was true bretonnia wouldn't be a main faction

Can someone tell me what happened to Teclis, Malekith, Tyrion and Morathi during the end times?

>>96076248
Magic bullshit.

>>96075668
peak sovl reporting in
i have to strip, convert and repaint mine, still kinda like the bare metal parts tho

>Based. Did yours come with 4 horses too?
mine didn't back then, it was 6ed box art, and the plastic was gray
could have used a spare horse i always wanted to do a mounted wraith

>>96070155
>rounded corners
nta, but i'd rather never base my models

>>96070147
print em if you can, picrel on the left is printed

What are you fellas working on today?

>>96076437
I was planning on spending the weekend painting and catching up on my dwarfs.

However... my wife had an ultrasound Friday and we got bad news. Most likely we'll have to terminate what would have been our second child.
So yeah, painting minis is definitely not on the table anymore.

>>96076451
Brother I'm so sorry.
My wife had a miscarriage in-between what is our first and second child, its certainly difficult.

Take care of yourself and your family, anon

>>96076451
>>96076474
I’m sorry brothers. My sister just went through the same thing a few days ago.

>>96076451
Hmm, it seems I don't have a reaction for being a decent human being. I am sorry to hear about your struggle.
I do have a fish with a flower because I think it's a fun picture. Step away and be with your family.

Is this the same dude on 40K who tries to tell people about his miscarriage

>>96070147
shame, if only there were somewhere you could get bags of hundreds of plastic bases identical to the ones GW makes because GW cant copyright the square, no matter how much their lawyers wish they could.

>>96076504
Some nerds manage to have sex sometimes those rare unicorns manage to procreate too. But nature is a cunt and gets in the way.
Maybe the same guy but in the off chance it is a fellow /wfg/got who is having a shit day just let it slide.

>>96076535
I'm in Australia and postage costs are fucked cunt

>>96076582
Maybe don’t live in a shithole

>>96076582
I dont think you do live in Australia
We don't say cunt that often

>>96076582
okay then eat shit faggot, even though it would still be cheaper to get that bag WITH $30 in postage than trying to buy them out of a FLGS or off the GW webstore where you're gonna pay $10 for a bag of 5 40mm when ebay has 40s for $12 for 20, or $86 for that same $10 ebay bag of 25mm bases.

but hey, its your money. you wanna piss and moan and wait around so your local store or GW can rip you off, thats on you. doesnt bother me none

>>96075668
It breaks my heart to sully and open such boxes that have remained so for decades. No more are being made, and the battalion already has two chariots and I already own a plastic cauldron.

>>96075668
Make it happen

>>96076474
>>96076495
>>96076500
Thank you anons. I appreciate the nice words.
To be honest I'm almost... nonplussed.
It sucks, it really does, but I'm very keen on taking it well. This, too, is part of life. Makes me even more glad to have the child I do have
Understandably my wife is affected much much more and way worse than I can even begin to imagine.

>>96076504
I have never once played 40k in my life but I do have a space marine that I wanted to paint up and hide among my dwarf thunderers or irondrakes

>>96071341
>discourage kitbashing and using third-party bits
I HATE NU-GW I HATE NU-GW

>>96076997
Do you even need to kitbash in old world? I just see people running stuff straight out of the box.

>>96077004
You don't need to, but you very easily can.
It's also encouraged in the Arcane Journals.

>>96075638
>high level necromacner got bit by a blood dragon
Battlemage
>giga chad warrior got bit by a necrarch
Ottermode DEXchad

>>96076609
Rare, unreleased, plastic Morathi box on the right.

>>96076609
Assemble your fucking models, you insane hoarder.

>>96077142
First, my new empire state troopers.

>>96077167
why are they black

>>96077178
They're not.

>>96077178
He's making an Arabyan army.

>>96077004
Most AoI have 1 unit or hero that is not in range and you are even given tips how to kit bash them

We are less than a week away from dogs. I know it’s 99% just going to be reprints of the old kits. Which is cool because of how fucking insanely expensive they are on ebay, but I really hope estalia and tilea get actual generic plastic kits too.

Very early ideas for my Cathay. Would like some ideas for which scheme I should go with.

Any ideas?

>>96077305
Red pops out.

Well I grabbed the last two at my FLGS for 20% off msrp. I have two weeks to return them if I change my mind but this is probably going to be the start of my new Ogre army. Yes I am aware they are bad. But they were my second army back when I was a teen playing this and I foolishly sold them off.

>>96077371
they're not bad in aos, get some round to square adapter trays and stick em on rounds and you can get 2 games out of one army. also the aos exclusive gorger models fucking slap.

>>96077385
No offence but I had a decade to get into AoS and never did and am still not interested.

People won’t mind if I use angron as a blood thirster right

>>96077438
i dont care as long as it looks thematically appropriate

>>96077305
Yellow is rarely used and gives it a unique look.
If you're doing slap chop you can do a pink undercoat it really helps the yellow show through

Which army is the most kino when painted well?

Which army has the most kitbash/conversion potential?

>>96077701
>Which army is the most kino when painted well?
Empire

>Which army has the most kitbash/conversion potential?
WoC

>>96077701
> Which army is the most kino when painted well?
Nothing human or elf.

>Which army has the most kitbash/conversion potential?
This goes for every setting, orks.

>>96077701
Honestly high elves, baring the spears, are still an amazing line and when arrayed for battle look just amazing.
Honorable mentions for skaven, empire, and any mad lad who does gobbos.
>most kitbash
Chaos factions naturally.

>>96077701
greenskins, lizardmen, chaos

greenskins, lizardmen, chaos

A demons battalion box would be a mess

>>96077893
Worst faction ever released for any GW game

>>96077893
demons as an independent army was always a mistake

the arcane journals format with armies of infamy offers a good way to reimplement them as parts of the chaos warriors faction, where they belong

>>96077907
yes. Either it looks like a mess, or you have to make a whole army with less than 6 units for each god

>>96077907
Kharadrons and Fyreslayers exis

>>96077934
dwarves as a general are mistake but not to the same extent

>>96077934
kharadrons are actually cool

once you accept they're not a substitute for proper dwarfs, not an addition to proper dwarfs, but a different faction altogether, the opposite of demons, really

but they have no place in the old world, not without asspulls

>>96072854
Name 10 monsters they could have used instead for generic Empire/human mounts.
I'm serious, I want to know.

>>96078003
>ugly steampunk squats are good actually
No.

>>96078005
>Big dog
>Big hog
>Big pog (hippopotamus)

>Big cat
>Big mat (flying carpet)
>Big gat (gun that's shoots so powerfully it blasts the general across the map)

>Big donkey
>Big honkey

>Big baboon
>Big quadroon


Ez

>>96078025
At least 2 of those suggestions are NOT serious answers, anon, they're made up silly answers.

>Big dog
Giant wolves are culturally connected to goblins. It would step on the toes of that army's identity.
>Big hog
Likewise an Ork theme
>Big cat
Closest is high elves with White Lions or the Sabretusks but they both are geographically specific and unavailable to the Empire
>Big mat
Araby
>Big gat
Mechanical steed already exists and isn't mass producible. (It uses gunpowder instead of coal, that's why they can get it work but apparently steam tanks are impossible)
>Big donkey
Horse
>Big honkey
Giants are not good mounts, they're too headstrong and expensive to maintain

>>96078005
maybe the problem isn't the steed but the rider, if it was, say, a monstrous cavalry of lesser cockatrices ridden by halflings knights then you would still have the visual connection to the griffon, you would still have a monstrous cavalry, but you would also have an excuse for the exceptionality of the thing, since it would be a fantastical element of the moot, rather than something you have to explain and justify for normal humans and how it doesn't make their previous traditions moot

>>96078061
Yeah well your a stinky jeet

>>96078061
>>Big dog
>Giant wolves
there are dogs that don't look like wolves

>>96078061
>>96078098
Holy shit btfo

>>96078091
Honestly halflings could pull off big Orc or Beastman style pigs. But they'd need to have multiple riders (or possibly a version with little ballistas)

>>96078005
demihippogryph!

>>96078135
The idea that bretonnia and the empire have to be separate factions ruins both.

>>96078091
Earnestly, can you rephrase that? I don't think I get what you're saying.

Dislikes-demigryphs guy said he didn't like them because they were a flanderisation of the Empire, which even if I disagree with I can understand: they have Gryphon heraldry and symbology but that's really because it was the heraldry of Magnus the Pious, not because gryphons are exclusively an Empire thing. So then demigryphs is at risk of intertwining gryphs with the Empire too closely, like how giant birds are exclusively an elven thing.
I think Cockatrices would be a more overt flanderisation of halflings: a tenuous connection to one animal is made a central part of their military.

>>96078135
Demihippogryphs are a more complex version of the same issue. I don't dislike them in principle either, they just have a stupid name and would be repetitive after demigryphs were introduced.

>>96078213
>they have Gryphon heraldry and symbology
funnily enough, manticores are allegedly a common symbol too, even if I've never seen such heraldic devices
unless we're to consider various leonine faces as manticore faces

>>96078005
questing beasts for bretonnian

>>96078306
Man putting those claws on the wings was a stroke of genius, I can't believe AoS dropped them.

>>96078319
why? because it makes it a bit more like a scorpion?

>>96078317
Questing beast is for hunting though.

Heraldric tygres are oddly enough very similar to demigryphs

>>96076437
Horses

I love this guys fluff and he kicked ass in ET...but I just can't dig his old Miniature. Wish I could find a good paint scheme which inspired me to buy him.

>>96078515
mmm that handsculpted sovl why dont you like it anonymous

>>96078515
>and he kicked ass in ET

Gorfang Rotgut was killed off before the End Times anon. Are you sure you have the right orc?

I so badly want khorngors that look like this

>>96078368
but there's an illustration showing bret knights on questing beasts back in 2nd or 3rd edition, I'm not sure

>>96078772
He looks a bit flashy I guess. Take this bloke. Big, beefy, armoured. I'm not sure exactly what the designers were aiming for with Gorfang but wish he was more big.

>>96078803
I got the timeline wrong perhaps but Gorfang slam dunked Queek Headdtaker after tanking a shot to the groin and was described as bloody massive with huge plating.

Plus, as a regular Orc Warboss, he formed a temp alliance with pic related, a Black Orc, as he was so dead 'ard. Yes he died but unlike 99% of the other characters who died leading up to or during ET, he died well.

>>96078919
there's a kickstarter right now delivering on such models

>>96078954
link?

>>96077371
Not what you're asking but please build one up as a scraplauncher. You never see them despite being very cool models.

>>96078978
just search for osmotic meld

>>96078993
Cannons are too retardedly strong to not take as many of them as possible, it's a nobrainer.

>>96075516
>>96075547
Here's the side-by-side. Sorry it took a while, I was tired as hell when I got home and got distracted.

>>96078995
oooo
neat

I might need to kitbash the lower halves with beastmen tho since they've got humanoid legs

>>96079001
A cool choice is better than a strong choice any day of the week.

Stop gatekeeping, assholes

>>96077701
brettonia, highelves, or empire can look really grand with a skillful paintjob.

Chaos is king of kitbashing, vampire counts and dogs of war are close seconds.

>>96077802
O&G are not very kitbash friendly in fantasy. Most of the Orks kitbashing is in their vehicles and technology, and their ability to tap the technology of other races in 40k, their infantry really isn't all that kitbashable outside doing fun stuff like giving them guns from other races, and O&G are all that but without the guns to give them.

>>96079196
>Stop gatekeeping, assholes

>>96079196
No one is gatekeeping assholes

you can sniff all the butts u like m8

>>96078919
https://satyrartstudio.com/
This guy had a limited edition run of metal beastmen. If they're up your alley you can email him and ask if he's planning a second batch.

>>96076437
Still working on khorne knights, mouldine cleanup on them is a bit annoying since there's some mould slippage on some of the lances

Working out what style of banner to give em now. Might also raise up the unit leader a bit to give him a bit of presence

>>96079414

Beastmen harpies should look like this

>>96079474
>couldn't even grab one of the hundreds of pictures of winged apes that already exist since the wizard of oz and instead rely on botshit

also no, minotaurs, satyrs, cyclops and centaurs all hark back to greek mythology and so do harpies, they have to stay visibly female, even if you wished to give beastmen a unique look for them that's separate from the dark elves' harpies, which is something unnecessary in the first place.

>>96079517
>AI bad
Nah it's actually fine for concepting
Having an allergic reaction to AI is a reddit trait

>>96079237
What army would be a good fit for having bees proxy something?
It could be riding giant bees like mounts, smaller ones for infantry-sized units, ammunition for artillery, etc.

>>96079531
>Nah it's actually fine for concepting
No, it's objectively not, which is why not one single concept artist uses this shit.

>>96079549
Wood elves.

>>96079549
>>96079561

His left hand failed to print the first time, trying again now. But liking how he looks in the middle of a men at arms block. He's on 50x50 so will probably just count him as 4 men at arms.

>>96079517
Beastmen harpies should be hairy women. Dark Elves harpies should be hairless women.

>>96079721
that could work, what could also be used is some alternative appearances of harpies in stories and myths and later interpretations

for example, if we separate dark elves harpies from beastmen harpies by making the former more conventionally alluring and the latter more monstrous, we could give to the former the singing voices of syrens (which were bird women, not mermaids, in the odyssey)
while in another story we see harpies harassing aeneas's men who were famished, and they harassed them by swooping over the tables they were preparing to eat at and almost literally shitting on the tables and the food, since these bird-women had holes in their chest from which they let loose some kind of foulness, these would be a separate niche that the more monstrous version of beastmen harpies could use

another element of differentiation could be feathered wings or leather wings, or whether the harpy is more humanoid, with arms, or more birdlike, without human arms

medieval or renaissance depictions of the monster could also be a source of inspiration

Not much TOW stuff in the Sunday preview, a random audiobook and a Warhammer + episode about Cathay probably covering information that we already know
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jkwdtmzc/sunday-preview-gold-and-gore-flow-through-the-mortal-realms/

Has anyone done like farmland/wheat field themed bases before? Wondering if there's a good way to do wheat stalks.

>>96080183
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1664361617/wheat-basing-material-goon-master-games?ls=s&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=Wargaming+wheat+stalk&ref=sr_gallery-1-2&organic_search_click=1&nob=1&content_source=84b8d096-7a1f-424f-9948-243259f50e18%253A8f256274984e6020a6a7fd5e63f885a7deb47d2c&logging_key=84b8d096-7a1f-424f-9948-243259f50e18%3A8f256274984e6020a6a7fd5e63f885a7deb47d2c
Bit pricy but could look good

>>96078003
Their design is so fucking atrocious that they don't belong anywhere. I hate them.

>>96078197
There are Empire knights with Bretonnian warhorses, so I don't see why a Bretaboo Imperial noble couldn't get a hippogryph if he's capable of getting a griffon.

>>96080229
>$9 for 15
>would need at least 10 to make a decent looking 25x25
That comes out to $6 per base. If you don't have a 3D printer you're cooked

>>96080229
>>96080525
Luckily I do have a printer. I'll check MMF for wheat, but was curious if there was some kind of extra long flock or like sticky shrub wheat somewhere.

>>96080128
any female wolf priests?

>>96080183
https://gamersgrass.com/product/spikey-beige-12mm/

>>96080722
Ooh yeah that's good. Also found this stuff. Might be a little too big though.

>>96080605
idk i've never read the book

>>96080742
Reminds me I need to make that diorama of at least 2 dudes opposing each other fighting in a wheat field. The idea is to have some forced perspective, a windmill or two nearby, and they're in the middle of the fields, already pretty beat up, so they're completely surrounded by undisturbed wheat and the occasional homestead.

>>96080742
That stuff looks like it will be hard to glue.

>>96080742
Those looks like they'd be great around the feet of a larger, centerpiece model. Like a Cathayan Sentinel.
>>96081024
Yeah, it looks like you'd have to put down a layer of soft material like corkwood and embed them into it.

should i pick up a second cathay battalion? i heard lancers are kind of the bread and butter of the army and the cannons are good. i dont plan on running any of the sky lanterns, i dont give a shit how good or necessary that unit is, the model just does nothing for me and its insanely expensive for barely any points.

also any ETA on miao ying? and does anyone happen to know her base size (for the dragon) off the top of their head?

>>96081084
Her human form was stated to be on a 50x50mm, so her dragon form would have to be 150x100.

And get fugged. Sky Lanterns are fantastic models.

>>96080128
Audiobooks are cool but I wish they would reprint paper books

>>96081115
i dont like the balloon part specifically. the pagoda looks cool, but the balloon seems to lack detail and texture, the scale just seems off on it like it looks very obviously like a plastic toy. but more than, the size plus the height of the flight stand make it look absolutely impossible to transport. i dont think people online have fully grasped just how massive and tall this thing is, its like almost a full 2 feet high all together.

plus paying $160 for a 130pt model feels like a total scam.

>>96081153
GW is apparently going to do that for the Sigmar and the Negash series at some point with new covers, which is a bit dull since both series are considered somewhat bad even by BL standards.

>>96081084
I'd like to see at least something announced for the rest of Cathay's roster. It doesn't have to be "oh, we have a bunch more shit coming in the next couple of weeks", I just want a confirmation that there is shit in the pipeline for the near future. I'm going to be profoundly pissed off if I have to wait two or three years for fucking peasants.

>>96081084
>Be in North America.
>None available at any nearby LGS.
>GW online store for NA is sold out. >>96074039
>Amazon is selling Cathay batallion boxes at a 10% mark up instead of a discount.
>Pre-orders sell out out in 5 mintutes compared to Horus Heresy 3.0 Saturnine boxes still available for pre-order.
>The fact that a single army had a faster sell out time then the release of an entire new fucking edition to a game with a turbo die hard fanbase is very telling.

WTF is going on in North America?

>>96081188
We should get something this Friday with the big pile of reveals they're doing.
Chorfs definitely coming for Smegmar, will likely fit on squares for TOW.

>>96081188
its missing so much. no missile troops, no monstrous infantry, no greatweapon elite infantry, no peasants, no foot wizards, no light cavalry, no light monsters, no super heavy cavalry, etc. they're missing like 2/3s of the unit types in the game, even though their total war roster has all of those units like longma cav, the dog statues, elite celestial guard or whatever they're called, crane gunners, grenadiers, moon bird, the list goes on.

there has to be a second real wave at some point, but they are probably keeping hush hush so people double down on the current wave to fill out their army. they did the same thing with lumineth in aos. i think the waves were like a year to a year and a half apart

>>96081188
piggy is gonna have to wait, james knows piggy will buy no matter what so there is no rush

>>96081212
>WTF is going on in North America?
Freedom

>>96081217
Not every faction needs every single possible option, unless it's milquetoast a la empire. Too much makes a faction bland and annoying to face.
That said ranged infantry unit would be nice.

>>96081212
Why are people boycotting the new edition of Horus Heresy? Don't Space Marines normally sell gangbusters and isn't HH no longer a Forge World product where people no longer have to take out mortages to afford a 30k army? The typical response is the same old talking point of "Grrrrr! Games Workshop greedy and bad!"

>>96081282
Hey dude how about you ask /hhg/ instead of sperging out here?

>>96081212
>>96081251
I personally blame this anime for indirectly affecting Cathay's popularity in NA. Despite the Visual Novel aimed at young girls (and house wives), it's also for some odd reason popular with the guys.

How many cannons is "cheesy" this edition? Like 1 to 2 per 1k points seems fine cannons aren't as good but I know fighting like 6 of them is probbaly still annoying.

>>96081084
Do you think she vores empire men?

>>96081292
/hhg/ is currently having a hate boner circlejerk to give a non-bias response.

>>96081306
>How many cannons is "cheesy" this edition?
more than 0
>Like 1 to 2 per 1k points
how can you possibly think that 4 cannons at 2k points is fine?

>>96081282
Get lost James, Pardo or whoever you are.

>>96081172
>i dont think people online have fully grasped just how massive and tall this thing is, its like almost a full 2 feet high all together.

I see people echoing this sentiment a lot but I don't get what people would think the issue is, you just magnetize the flight stand and lay the Balloon on its side. It's just like any other big model.

>>96081212
>New army for a game that is mostly well liked sells well.
>New edition to a game with a turbo die hard fanbase, that gets rid of almost everything that fanbase liked about the game sells like shit.
Truly a mystery to ponder over.

>>96081212
TOW is much more popular than AoS in NA. I don't know a single AoS player but my LGS is hosting TOW tourneys regularly now. Their AoS stock has been untouched for months, they still have a mountain of Skaventide boxes kek.

>>96081280
Yeah the only thing absolutely needed is like a foot caster, peasent melee infantry (potentially archers too) and a crossbow version of the warriors they already have.

Anyone else think wizards on horseback are gay? The only appealing idea is a Bret damsel or Lady Elise in a massive unit of Grail Knights.

>>96081411
Have you played any games this edition?

>>96081172
The balloon itself can have 5 Jezzails (albeit with 1 less AP and no magical attacks in exchange for no misfires).

>0-1 unit of Warplock Jezzails per Clan Skryre Warlock Engineer taken
>Base Clan Skryre Warlock Engineers are worth 35 points.
>Warplock Jezzails teams are worth 19 points, with a unit size of +3.

A Skaven player would need to pay (19 x 5) + 35 = 130 points just to get 5 Jezzails on the table.

>>96081531
Cool, now where the fuck am I suppose to buy these minitaures without giving Age of Sigmar money?

>>96081302
What anime?

chaos dwarfs (me) vs lizardmen tommorow, I'll post a pic or two

>>96081531
Which is about 50 bucks total thanks to skaventide split deals

>>96081577
I can print you some

Has anyone made their baggage trains yet, I'm making one for my Empire army that's just a simple cart with some food and a chest of gold on it but I'm at a loss as to what a Wood Elf baggage train would look like
Maybe I'll do some wardancers as a travelling troupe?

>>96081212
China won.

>>96081577
I made mine using stormvermins and empire gunners

>>96081577
recasts?

>>96081645
A baggage train for woodelves wouldn't necessarily involve a chariot or a cart.

Anything with wheels wouldn't make much sense in the forest.

But I could see a line of pack animals carrying stuff, horses, stags, giant birds, even bigger animals like a moose and smaller ones like various hounds.
If one wanted to go more forest spirit you could also have a fruit-treeman that could just hand you fruits and a series of driads carrying shit around for the elves.

>>96081645
Not my idea but another anon said make a wounded animal being escorted like a hunted unicorn being guarded

>>96081645
I'd imagine something less practical and more spiritual, so instead of a cart carrying supplies, it's something that follows a path of mystical importance, maybe an animal, something slow and sturdy
consider a humble giant tortoise, on its back there's a small garden and a waystone (one of the few that works on the move?)
or maybe it's an extremely ancient treeman, way too slow and wizened to fight, but heralding the arrival of the season with its passing? (autumn if male, spring if female?)
or there's no cargo at all, it's just 'civilians' having a procession or travelling from one area to another

>>96081584
The Apothecary Diaries (Kusuriya no Hitorigoto).

Reaver Bow counts as Bow of Avelorn - does it mean it gets BoA bonuses?

Bought like 3 boxes of kairic acolytes from Aos, was thinking of turning them into forsaken with some greenstuff and leftover demon bits. Probably gonna have to go with the tzeentch mark, but how are forsaken stonks now after the changes?

>>96081172
>pic with shitay stuff
Holy shit some people unironically invest in this diarrha hahaha

>>96081531
>A Skaven player would need to pay (19 x 5) + 35 = 130 points just to get 5 Jezzails on the table.

Right but you wouldn't just be getting 5 jezzails, you would also be getting a warlock engineer and a combined 12 wound compared to 7 albeit at a lower toughness

>>96081302
>>96081889
Mentally ill

>>96082006
Jezzails also get 2 attacks per turn.

Is taking inspiration from units including in ET books sodomy?

>>96082093
it's only sodomy if you embrace the end times as the canonical story

>>96082093
Esl?

>>96075642
It's nurpg, ignore it

>>96074418
Nah

>>96082119
>autocorrect changes 'included' to 'including'
>fag can't understand the meaning anymore
Esl?

>>96082125
It's talking about the high elves.
When have the high elves ever been gritty or grounded?

>>96079531
Spotted the redditor. Posting on here while your wife's bull fucks her?

>>96082117
Malekith being objectively correct and the designated good guy will always be canon. Regardless of the angry bleeting coming from Asur sheep, kek

>>96082093

It's sodomy with a tranny.

>>96081531
like i said, i dont care how good it is, im not buying it. 130 pts for $160 is a deal for suckers, the model is impossibly huge to transport, and i dont like how the lantern part looks.

it could get 100 shots a turn at strength 10 ap 4 damage 15 and cost 30 points and i still wouldnt buy it. in fact, the more abusively strong a unit is the more im hesitant to even field it because i like having fun games of back and forth with my opponent, not 1 sided jank blowouts. same reason i refuse to own more than 2 gyrocopters for my dwarfs.

>>96082184
Never gritty but grounded: wizards, dragons, griffons and giant eagles being max high fantasy up to 7th edition. Lothern skycutter is ultra high fantasy design, fish chariot tops even that

>>96082174
That’s still not grammatically correct. So I take it that you are in fact esl.

>>96082229
>Malekith
>objectively correct
Literally opposites

>>96082229
Look, I'm not against the plot hooks, I'm against the story
resurrection of nagash? fine plot hook
fall of the morrslieb? fine plot hook
important mcguffin under middenheim? fine plot hook
the unraveling of the vortex as a double edged tool? fine plot hook
reunion of the elves under malekith? fine plot hook
but how gw progressed to and past each plot point was absolute rubbish, that's the story, that's what's shit

give me a story that makes sense with what came before and and I have no issue if it involves malekith being the trve chosen of assuryan all along
but you absolutely cannot half ass such an important reveal and resolution

>>96082251
a fish chariot is way tamer than a bird chariot

>>96082295

>>96081492
>in NA
you're the fucking leaf that was spamming the catalogue with skaventide threads a couple weeks ago aren't you

>>96082278
>Look, I'm not against the plot hooks, I'm against the story
>resurrection of nagash? fine plot hook
>fall of the morrslieb? fine plot hook
>important mcguffin under middenheim? fine plot hook
>the unraveling of the vortex as a double edged tool? fine plot hook
>reunion of the elves under malekith? fine plot hook
baito

>>96082295
Grav/hover chariot drawn by fish skipping on water you mean.

>>96082278
>eunion of the elves under malekith? fine plot hook
Why people who have fuck to do with warhammer frequent wfg?

>>96082370
is the tidecutter described as flying too? I was giving for granted it remained on water

>>96082229
Reminder that Malekith is probably the biggest loser of all the WH Big Bads.

>>96082385

Yeah, that was probably the stupidest bit of ET lore.

>>96082370
From the description, Tidecutter is just a small cutter or sloop whose propulsion is a fish of some kind

>>96082442
>a fish of some kind
do elves know dolphins are assholes or something?

6th edition: Empire/VC
7th Edition: - (or VC/HE)
8th edition: -
TOW: HE (soon)
Nothing prevents people for having dedicated armies for specific editions. I'll never play fucking HE in 6th but I'm willing to give them a try in TOW. I hope my understanding of rules and army list analysis is correct and TOW HE are not a dud.

>>96082406
the dumbest shit was everything else that happened to involve the elves

>>96082295
Yeah, I actually hate the fish chariot way less than the skycutter.
I can't imagine how the skycutter work, really. It's a boat pulled by an eagle. If it takes off from the land the bottom fin breaks. If it takes off from water you get a wet eagle. If they don't take off at all because they just hover with magic, that's just lame.

The tidecutter is like a speedboat with someone waterskiing behind it. Simple as.
In real life whalers would harpoon a whale and let it drag the whaleboat behind it to tire it out. They could reach 25mph or so. It was called the 'Nantucket sleighride'.

>>96078005
Giant Spiders
Rhinox
Cold Ones
Dire Wolves
Sabertusks
Mournfangs
Rhinos
Elephants
Giraffes or other creatures from the Imperial Zoo
A smaller steam powered vehicle
A mobile icon pulled by fanatics(something less gay than the war altar)

>>96082471
>assholes sailing a chariot drawn by asshole fishes
Match made in heaven. I can bet that the tree donating wood this tidecutter is made off was also an asshole.

>>96082471
Dolphins probably would not allow themselves to get yoked to a boat, so some high elf can go on day trips to mitigate their ennui from having to interact with the younger races on a weekly basis.

>>96078005
That was an opportunity to expand imperial tech theme but instead they went with demishits.

>>96082513
if there's something people hate more than demigryphs it's steam horses.

>>96082513
Those designs are sick. I've definitely thought about doing some mechanical shit for counts as Demigriphs.

I was thinking of a mechanical knight on the front of a steam or human powered wagon. Like a human equivalent of a Snotling pump wagon.

>>96082551
Circle the steam horses in that pick.

>>96082513
Steampunk is omega cringe.

>>96082551
you can find someone to hate anything in the whfb community. no one hates fun like whfb fanboys, especially the old ones.

>>96081492
>>96082339
No that’s me and I think AoS is more popular than TOW in NA but I think TOW is way more popular in Europe. You have to remember there’s a lot more trannies/fags in NA.

>>96082339
No, I'm a Kansas chud.

>>96082601
>>96082602

>>96082634
>>96082634
>>96082634
>>96082634
New

>>96082591
>people are forbidden having opinions, preferences, likes and dislikes
>they should always blindly consume everything GW produce and enjoy it
Stop cosplaying you fat faggot, you do not belong here. Now go back to your funkopops

>>96082638
Ywnbaw