>Horus Heresy, daddy issues and other retarded motives for treason
>40k fans: what if we repeat the same mistakes (retarded writing) of GW but changing the legions (Nathaniel Garro, Vulkan TRAITORS?! WTF?!)
>the only good thing: seeing Erebus, Typhon and Abaddon (First Lord of Terra and First Master of the Black Templars) being ultra-loyalists was pretty wholesome
Can we just return to when
>Chaos was just funny demons doing a little trolling
>and Horus was a clone of the Emperor (and not a son of Him with Erda) that betrays Him because he believes he can be a better Emperor rather than 'cuz Chaos' corruption
PLEASE.

Do you remember the Necrons, Old Ones, Kroks, Eldar, other xenos, other human civilizations, other xeno-human civilizations?
Their lores are just accumulating dust.

PD: congrats Chaos, you won in the end. I swear, the most powerful Chaos God is the one that feeds from bad writing. I can see Amazon alongside GW turning 40k into a multiverse (picrel), to milk it beyond death.

>>96073053 (OP)
Calus would unironically better represent chaos undivided considering the cycle he goes through to eventually become a disciple of the Witness

>>96073100
Excuse my ignorance, who is Calus?

>>96073053 (OP)
>Chaos was just funny demons doing a little trolling
>and Horus was a clone of the Emperor
These things were never true, what the fuck are you on about? Also you seem to be bitching about some sort of fanfiction for some reason.

>>96073204
A character from Destiny 2. He was the Cabal Emperor who was deposed by his daughter and his general.

He encounters the Witness after being exiled into deep space and eventually finds his way to our Solar System and eventually goes on a quest to contact the Witness again until he succeeds and is made into a Disciple to enact the plan of the Final Shape.

The initial causes of his problems may or may not be a result of wishing on an Ahamkara bone.

>>96073217
In the early editions Chaos wasn't a great thread and the Primarchs were clones of the Emperor.

>>96073257
Thanks, anon. Is the Destiny lore great? Can become better?

>>96073294
I can't tell you if you'd like it or not. The lore books are mini novels in and of themselves but a lot of context and extra information comes out in the game itself (the lore books are canon in universe and often read and referenced by characters).

The lore of the Hive is really good in my opinion with the main starting point being the Books of Sorrow which details a teling of how the Hive became the Hive.

You can read the lore books and item descriptions on the Ishtar Collective website.

https://www.ishtar-collective.net

>>96073281
>Primarchs were clones of the Emperor
Completely false.
>Chaos wasn't a great thread
Only in the sense that they weren't the whole focus of everything. They were as much of a threat as anything else.

>>96073479
They were modified clones, their DNA is Emperor's DNA cloned. They just changed to adapt better to the planets they landed.

>>96073338
Thank you so much, anon.

Is there any animation or draw that explains the origin and evolution of the Kirll into the Hive?
How they reproduce?
Also, how the worms work?
And why the change of sex of Onyx?

I have more questions but this are the ones I'm more interested.

>>96073053 (OP)
>he believes he can be a better Emperor rather than 'cuz Chaos' corruption
It's been chaos corruption since before you were born retard.

>>96073566
So Big E failed Angron even before he ripped him away from his people.

>>96073751
There are various lore videos you can check out that go into details about some of those things but to hit the high points:

1. Hive are born from Wizards. Wizards don't need to mate to bear more Hive. They have their own larvae form because Orxy's daughters were cut in half by him and became twins.
2. Worms Larvae are born from the Worm Gods, they form a parasitic bond with a Hive at birth and feed off the "killing" they do. If they get to hungry they will kill their host and themselves in the process but also give you access to paracasual powers.
3. Oryx's changed his sex when he assumed his King Morph and because he wanted to.

>>96073053 (OP)
Chaos itself isn't the issue, absolute dog-shit writing is the issue. It's always been to a degree, but when they decided there needed to be some "central badguy" and tried to turn Failbaddon into some kind of tactical genius was when it was bluntly obvious that they were nowhere near on the same page as their own audience when it came to how Chaos was perceived.

>>96073787
heh, no. Angron failed himself really.
Angron is the sole Primarch who's failed to takover and rule the planet he got tossed at by the chaos gods.
everyone else successfully managed to controltheir planets, even pansy-ass Conrad Curze.
Angron fucking failed, the primarch who is so fucking feared as the biggest most dangerous singular combatant in ALL of 40K.
and he fucked up the capture of his planet.
>bu-but muh butchers nails
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH EASIER WITH THE THINGS INHIS BRAIN, BRUH JUST HAD TO GO WILDIN' AND FUCKING MASSACRE EVERYTHING IN HIS WAY, THAT IT!
He was handed the best fucking permanent combat boost in 40K but still managed to fuck up in spite of it.
Big E saw how much of a collosal fuck-up Angron was and saved him because he wasn't about to let centuries worth of resources committ suicide by last-stand, Big E's got plans and he aint 'boutta let one of his best pieces just kill itself from its sheer retardation

>>96073787
>he assumed his King Morph and because he wanted to.
I thought there was a deeper reason.

>Wizards don't need to mate to bear more Hive. They have their own larvae form because Orxy's daughters were cut in half by him and became twins.
But then, how Crota got his "wizard-wife"?
How the sex and role of the new Hive is selected?
Why Onyx, if he's immortal, need a heir?

>they form a parasitic bond with a Hive at birth
How is the process?
They never separate? At some point the worm will become a Worm God, no?
What is the final goal of the Worm Gods?
>If they get to hungry they will kill their host and themselves in the process
This doesn't seems like a good deal, imo. Can be revived?

Also, I discovered this by accident but I think you will like it,
https://youtu.be/5iINtJxkMRU?si=HENbvdnXCqsTslno

A HH rewrite should change so it begins as a legit civil war due to Horus being a more moral person. He doesn't want to destroy peaceful human civilisations just because they have xenos partners, he doesn't want to ruin newly conquered territories with excessive taxation. No Chaos poop knife needed.

Eventually the Imperium begins to face civil disobedience and separatism and Horus is sympathetic to their woes so he's seen as the hero of the downtrodden. Influence from secret chaos agents like Erebus causes the situation to break down when some other Legion like the First is sent to bring Horus back into the fold and violence ensues. Some like the Emperor's Children and Word Bearers are already turning to Chaos but the Sons of Horus are not, yet as the fighting escalates into a full blown civil war Horus is forced to bargain with his corrupted allies to keep fighting. Every step and compromise with daemons slowly furthers his corruption, and his advisors are slowly corrupted around him and influence his thinking. Abaddon specifically could be put into the situation where he agrees more with the Emperor than Horus but stays due to loyalty to his Primarch. He's helpless as his friends turn crazy and tries to be the single voice of reason on Horus's counsel.

Also obviously cut the amount of novels by half at least and give the Iron Hands and Ferrus heavy early focus so when they get BTFO and written out it'll hit much harder.

>>96074036
1. There isn't a deeper meaning. He just wanted to be male the same reason he got up one day and said "I want to have children."
2. It's assumed Omnighul was his baby mama and gave birth to his multiple daughters. That said, Thrall, Acolytes, and Knights can be either gender. Although Nocris is imagined like a male "wizard" because he sure as hell isn't a Knight like his brother Crota.

3. As for the Larvae, they will most likely never grow into Worm Gods and would likely be killed or eaten by the existing ones anyway. And as for the ones killed by their worm? Aside from generally being against their beliefs, they would not and cannot be revived (unless you're Savathun and gained the light after having your worm removed.)

Also, Mynameisbyf is a good lore content creator to catch up on stuff.

>>96073901
Fair point. I also just find it funny that, for all his genius, Big E had no idea how to remove the nails. I guess he recognized Angron was broken goods and wanted to get some milage out of him being a angy meat blender before even his primarch physiology failed him

>>96074161
Doing a Badab War before the Badab War is not the solution, anon.

>>96074186
Thanks.

>they will most likely never grow into Worm Gods and would likely be killed or eaten by the existing ones anyway.
Then what is the final goal of the Worm Gods?
How Savathun removed her worm?
Where are the worms located?
How much changed the krill before and after them?

Correct me if I wrong, but I feel Destiny is one of those cool lores that starts to add and add, and totally forgets half of the already established lore.

>>96074524
There is no final goal for the Worm Gods. Their very nature is self destructive as a matter of course because of that's what they are and that's how they practice Sword Logic.

Savathun got the Queen of the Awoken to help her remove her worm after she held the Warlock Osiris' body hostage after possessing him when he lost his ghost and pretended to be him. It was a calculated gamble that she won.

The worms themselves are probably located in the chest area and the very nature of the kril changed when they became hive. They don't technically have to eat and they are functionally immortal unless killed with many having been alive for billions of years since they became Hive along with the Hive gods

>>96074524
Destiny was doomed when they cut the original plot apart 6 months prior to launch and dragged all the expensive VAs back to emotionlessly record lines.
All because they wanted to split the mediocre original idea into several DLC.

No one knows why the lead devs thought the original plot was too esoteric. But they had left the story guy alone for a couple of years to develop it without properly checking.
And they were more than happy to accept esoteric for Marathon, Mythic and Halo. It might of been that the concepts and scripts were passing checks the game engine and animation couldn’t cash.

>>96073053 (OP)
Dornian Heresy is god

Is this so much a "chaos is bad for the 40k setting" instead of "Horus Heresy is bad for the 40k setting"? Most of the complaints here focused on the latter.
While yes I do think that Chaos in general gets too much wank in 40k now and has made xenos not get as much time in the sun (See: Pariah Nexus), I do think that too is downstream from the Horus Heresy getting expanded. I've always been in the camp that it should've stayed as a legend of the disastrous fall of the imperium to the rotting state it is in now, instead of a fully fleshed setting where we know every detail.

>>96073053 (OP)
The weird tattoos on dorn make him look like he was blacked.

So much chaos hate seems to be from people that spend too much time thinking about the fluff. Seething about Horus Heresy too, with BL's generally poor stable of writers were they ever going to be able to create compelling character driven drama?

>>96074653
>Their very nature is self destructive
How they survive all those eons in Fundament with nothing to eat?
What about Ahsa? she rejected the Sword Logic.

>They don't technically have to eat and they are functionally immortal
But the hunger they experience? If they don't eat, they die.

>>96073053 (OP)
>>40k fans: what if we repeat the same mistakes (retarded writing) of GW but changing the legions (Nathaniel Garro, Vulkan TRAITORS?! WTF?!)
Also this might be contrarian to your purposes, but the original "heresy" didn't have primarchs at all and was just marines shooting marines for no reason at all. If you were pining for an era where the heresy was well written and then devolved you are looking for something that never existed.

>>96074752
No.

>>96073257
It sounds heavily inspired by warhams in the first place.

>>96073901
>everyone else successfully managed to controltheir planets, even pansy-ass Conrad Curze.
Actually Mortarion didn't conquer Barbarus without the emperor's help and Alpharius/Omegon have no backstory on their planet.

>>96074673
>they cut the original plot
How was the original?

>No one knows why the lead devs thought the original plot was too esoteric.
The more esoteric a lore is, the better.

>>96075204
>for no reason at all.
Really?

>you are looking for something that never existed.
I didn't say that before it was perfect, but at least was more simple and fixable than the current situation.

>>96075202
The Hive don't have normal biological needs. They can eat but they don't need to because they essentially sustain themselves on the "killing" they do when they kill something. It's even explained when Oryx lays out the tribute system to regulate tributes so no one individual burns out accelerating the hunger of their worm beyond what they can manage (which is essentially the point Oryx and his sisters were at) so they can use some of it for themselves, some for their worm and then they have to pass the rest up the chain.

Before that, the Worm Gods were just stuck in the depths of Fundament and were slowly starving until the Witness' plan leads the siblings to them so they can take the Larvae

>>96073281
the chaos marines were literally marines who joined chaos in the heresy wars, like the Sorceror Marines (who later became the rubric marines) or the emperor's children who were seduced by drugs and orgies. This is like 2nd edition lore and predates the existence of primarchs like fulgrim. The Horus Heresy specifically came into existence because of the first Adeptus Titanicus game that is technically the first Heresy game since the lore is that you have titans fighting each other on opposite sides in the civil war that was the Horus Heresy, with General Horus rebelling against the emperor, General Leman Russ founded the Third Legion. By the mid 1990s they came up with the daemon primarchs like Fulgrim and Magnus (with his little cyclops eye). The reason Chaos wasn't "the only and sole focus" is because the Heresy barely had lore at all and the whole thing was that the emperor was a corpse on life support with the impossibly old imperium slowly collapsing into barbarism and despotism.

Nu-40k sucks ass because the marines are too heroic. In a universe where blue Supermen swoop down on thunderhawks to fight daemons while the average person dies around 30 from overwork and being eaten by aliens, the imperium is increasingly a grey alternative "the best system" when the actual point was that the imperium was the Soviet Catholic union with secret police kicking the shit out of you for breathing wrong and the alternative was genestealer cultists in limos impregnating you or mad max chaos cults sacrificing you.

40k's real problem is that it's too 'nice' now.

>>96075268
It was simple because it was a barebones space simulator because Combat 3,000 was rejected since it was too close to the 1970s/80s. The Eldar were literally just space pirates THE CORSAIRS WERE THE ORIGINAL ELDAR AND NOW THEY'VE ONLY GOT TWO KITS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0tqcj7Q0qQ

>>96074673
Reminds me of the radio host saying that Halo was a new game. Not only was he in his 50s, he didn't even know what a 'destiny' was. Embarassing!

>>96073053 (OP)
>Robute Guilliman
I'd love to see a Heresy where he DOESN'T fall to Chaos. The Imperium would split in two, think a Holy Roman Empire/Byzantine empire situation rather than just "lol chaos".

>>96073053 (OP)
I dunno ask /hhg/
>>96073100
>>96073257
>>96073338
>>96073787
>>96074653
>>96075307
I dunno ask /v/

>>96075243
There was one singular point of resistance left and he'd already unified the entire human planetary population behind his war effort, to all intents and purposes Mortarion had it in the bag.

>>96073053 (OP)
>grimderp faction
>chaos gods are literally retards
>followers are retards and edgelords
>cartoony as fuck
>massively plot armored, overpowered, and the game creators' favorite faction by miles
All I can wonder is why. Like really, listen to Rick, Gav, Aaron, or Tuomas talk about chaos. They come across as borderline horny for it. They LOVE their make believe bad guys.

>>96073053 (OP)
The Horus Heresy books and youtube tertiaries ruined 40k forever.

>>96075322
It's why it gets accused of being "nobledark" now.

>>96075903
Nobledark is a better genre anyway, grimdark can very easily become grimderp.
>doesn't know 40k was always nobledark

>>96073053 (OP)
Sounds like you just hate the horus heresy and not chaos desu

>>96076002
>Contrarianism: The Post

>>96073053 (OP)
The problem with tone in 40k is twofold: thinking that it's all or nothing and thinking that mature is the same as dark is the same as deep. The result is that the lore has been taken in a direction that becomes more absurd, more juvenile and more shallow the harder it tries to be dark, mature and deep. No one seems to have any interest in making the distinctions required to even notice this is what happened, leading to endless accusations that don't land. Blaming it on how chaos and the HH is written is the closest this guesswork usually gets, but it's not because of the concepts. It's because of how they were executed.

>>96074752
If they stayed as gay little fanfics they would've been fine, but now i'm dealing with new players that are thinking its real fluff and getting into arguments in store with other spergs about it.

>>96073053 (OP)
>wholesome
>IT WAS SO WHOLESOME CHUNGUS WHEN THE BLSLOPERINO MARINE DID A HECKIN LOYALTY
Spotted the redditor

>>96075758
>>96076002
>grimderp
What does it means?

>>96076398
>It's because of how they were executed.
How could it be fixed?

>>96073751
Krill/Hive are all female at birth. In order to adopt certain morphs, they change gender. In order for Aurash to turn into the King morph, she had to turn male. So she did, and renamed himself Auryx. Later he gains the power to Take from the Darkness itself and thus renames himself Oryx, the Taken King. Then he, in a moment of introspection of realizing he doesn’t do much except break things, he decides he should start making things too. So he created his Osmium Dynasty.

>>96081014
>Thing I don't like/Thing that makes uncomfortable
Basically americans (the wider audience) not being able to stomach euro-centric fantasy elements.
These fags should've just sticked with Star Trek.

>>96081014
Something that tries to be grimdark but just comes across as comically stupid. Classic example is Grey Knights slaughtering SoB and bathing in their blood to somehow ward of Daemons. Because Daemons hate it when you murder allies and perform creepy blood rituals, right?

>>96083423
Seething euroshart your continent is irrelevant

>>96073100
The chief representative of the Leagues of Votann, the one whose daughter ruined everything and dragged their species into unending losing wars, the opulent one, I kneel.

>>96073053 (OP)
It's simple. We must kill Chaos.

>>96083868
Actually, how do families in Leages of Votann work? I understand they have specific genetic lines for certain kinds of physical/spiritual advantages (i.e. one specific kind of gene line for their psykers).

Are they all essentially vat grown?

>>96081014
Synonyms would be tryhard, edgelord, fedoralord, etc. Trying to be super dark and edgy and thinking it makes you look cool, mature, or intelligent, when it actually makes you look like a pretentious retard. See large chunks of 40k lore, Trench Crusade, Crossed and anything else written by that same guy.

>>96081014

Grimderp is when someone is mad that the Imperium is portrayed as as stupid, degenerate, and incompetent as it was always meant to be.

Marines unironically are what ruined chaos

>>96081014
When you try so hard to appear grim and edgy and dark that you look like a clown instead, i.e. most WH40K lore these days

>>96084165
they are all vat grown inside their STC "gods". these STC's are fully sentient AI factories that also make a kind of votann men of iron. they treat their robots like literal "kin" because they kind of are siblings in a sense.

>lore
Don't care, not reading all that gay shit. I look at the cool pictures and play the game.

Since we're talking about alternate heresies, I've noticed that despite having 17 primarchs change history, there's a tendency to create a "Sanguinius Heresy" heresy. I've personally seen three or four, and there are probably more.
Things like the Hektor Heresy, or the Warmaster Triumvirate, and other "Alternative Heresies" where the creators invent 21 original primarchs (there's one called "Successor Legions" where they made 30 primarchs) seem to me to be much more interesting concepts and more open to exploring plots and themes that canon or alternative heresies that use canon characters don't usually take into account... and when the alternative heresies touch on those plots, it's because Primarchs II and XI are alive.
Which usually comes accompanied by Vulkan discovering that II or IX have a friendly, romantic, or foster relationship with the Eldar, and then fighting or killing the Primarch II or IX in question.

>>96081014
It means someone has noticed that 40k is silly, and is confidently declaring that this is by mistake rather than by design.

>>96075258
>How was the original?
It was fine but very barebones. The history of Destiny story development is that a good deal of the coolest plot threads are never followed up on or their intended resolution was changed multiple times because Bungie pulled a Bungie and started to rapidly be bored of their game and thus increasingly let their foot of the gas in just about every area of the story, then it went both into DEI land and End of Service mode the last couple years, then those plans to finally end Destiny did not pan out, so the resolution of their ten year story arc ended underwhelmingly. Destiny lore started grand and wide based and the gradually became more annd more disjointed into a bunch of dead plot threads. 40k lore is far more cohesive than Destiny lore, but Destiny does have a fuck ton of lore.

>>96073100
Canon Votann cooking.

>>96075322
If you don't know what you're talking about why would you open your mouth? Realms of Chaos precedes Codex Titanicus by an entire year and is not only the source of the Daemon Primarchs and their lore, but is also the source of Chaos being the main antagonist of the setting. Chaos is outright stated as something that will destroy all of the Materium in the end and will be the downfall of human society. Get your info from reading the books instead of wikis and youtube.

>>96085831
Wrong. It's more like this.

>>96083665
>5E Codex from 2011
>Classic example
Right in my arthritis.

>>96085896
And like most books is written from a fairly in-universe perspective, meaning you have to rake shot with a grain of salt. Otherwise the Imperium would be far more effective than they are if we took their codexes at face value.

>>96083665
>>96084206
>>96084485
Thanks, anons.

Question, how grimdark becomes grimderp?
I want to start my own lore (not 100% grimdark, just some elements) but I worry about ruining by being "too much".
How do you design a world that has dark moments, also good ones (including funny, even comical) and make it believable?

>>96086970
One way to look at it is if it stops making any sense whatsoever. Two examples of grimderp people cite in 40k are Grey Knights murdering a bunch of Sisters of Battle to get their blood to protect them from demons. For multiple reasons that makes absolutely zero sense and is just edgy and dark for the sake of it, so it's grimderp. It's just retarded. Another is the idea that the average guardsman has a lifespan of a few seconds in combat. That makes zero logistical sense and would mean that in a day humanity would be extinct, it's an exaggerated and retarded statement made just to sound dark and edgy.

>>96086970
>Question, how grimdark becomes grimderp?
It's always a matter of opinion where the line is. For me, I would say the line for most people is when you hear something unhinged and horrific and your first inclination isn't to go "Jesus christ, how terrifying", it's "Wait, but that doesn't make sense/sounds stupid".

If you want an example, take pic-related, which is a comic that makes the claim that the average life expectancy in the Imperium of Mankind is...thirty or so years of age. Which implies death on such a massive, consistent scale for 99.99% entirety of humankind that instead of going "Oh my gosh, that sounds like a horrible place to live", it's to question how many humans even live long enough to procreate in order to suffer such massive consistent death tolls and still survive, nay outnumber the aliens trying to take down the Imperium of Mankind.

>>96084475
Elaborate it, pls.

>>96087005
>>96087048
The original Necromunda had a line about how babies were forced to work in factories and tried to kill themselves to escape work. That's the kind of shit that's grimderp, it's retarded beyond reckoning.

>>96084778
I've already read them, I have "Traitors / Chaos fatigue".

Nevertheless, cool designs and I like the Assyrian vibes from WT.

But the fatigue is real.

>>96087005
>>96087005
>>96087063
Thank you, anons.

>your first inclination isn't to go "Jesus christ, how terrifying", it's "Wait, but that doesn't make sense/sounds stupid".
Is it possible to have both at the same time?
Let me explain it, there's a situation that is horrible but because some external dimensional effect, for the rational minds of our reality doesn't make any sense, but in the whole context of the setting it's believable, fits, and once people know more about that anomaly, it becomes rational.

>>96073257
>the Witness
Here's the ultimate big bad of the setting I was telling you about.

>>96087144
>there's a situation that is horrible but because some external dimensional effect, for the rational minds of our reality doesn't make any sense, but in the whole context of the setting it's believable, fits, and once people know more about that anomaly, it becomes rational
You're thinking of "conditioning". And that's 100% normal, happens all the time irl. Like when an abused wife tries to explain away her husband's slaps as "her fault", or a dictatorial regime continually puts state executions on display and everyone acts apathetic or excited because they've either lost hope or sincerely believe it's for their benefit. Something being the byproduct of conditioning can sometimes help bump something from "That's stupid" back down to "That's horrible", but it's still a fine line.

Or if you need a literary example, imagine reading 1984 and Winston Smith's constant struggle to help take down Big Brother, from the backstabs to the betrayals to the outright torture, only for his last thoughts before embracing the nothingness of death was how he'd come to love Big Brother.

>>96087172
Goofy ahhhh Dreamworks villain from wish.com lookin motherfucker

>>96087172
this is not a good angle for him bro get a better pic

>>96087172
i dont think you could design a worse villain if you tried

>>96087192
Great explanation, anon, but no. My apologies for explaining myself bad.

I was talking about something like this:
>natural phenomena
>back then, people thought it made no sense, just the will of cruel gods
>now that we understand nature, we see it as a rational, logical thing to happens

>>96087848
It'll fall under the same general category of "There's a fine line between something horrific and something that sounds really stupid". At that point, it may be something the people that would inhabit that universe take as fact, but it would be something the readers of your content might debate heavily on whether it falls under grimdark or grimderp.

Basically, if there are people suffering the black plague or something in your setting, that's one thing. But if it gets to the point you could make a chinese history meme out of the sheer body count or make the disease sound something akin to a zombie plague, then people are going to start rolling their eyes.

>>96087779
>this is your ancient evil ultimate big bad scary root of all darkness
Holy shit why did anyone ever think Destiny was good?

>>96088211
I agree the Witness's design isnt very intimidating or interesting but I do like the smoke plume of trapped souls rising from his head

>>96073053 (OP)
>Chaos unironically ruined 40k forever
That's the point, retard
>Words, words, words
Didn't read

>>96086970
>Question, how grimdark becomes grimderp?
When someone fails to get the joke. Which on /tg/ is usually immediately.

>>96073566
Anon, just shot the fuck up

>>96088414
>be the Precursors
>be blessed by the Traveler and the Light
>the Traveler don't impose you any command, you can enjoy free will and experince an eternal Golden Age
>gets angry because "muh purpose"
>become one single being that its entire goal is to destroy anything the Traveler creates or help to create
Was the Witness just a massive retard of interdimensional proportions or what?

>>96089041
the witness is the result of your writing team forcing the story to have a grand overarching thanos/darkseid-esque villain because theyre fucking retarded

>>96086970
grimdark is a type of absurdism that can be either scary, tragic or funny depending on the perspective you look at it from. grimderp is when the funny perspective becomes so overbearing that it undermines the tragic and horrific perspectives.
this usually happens because a writer overdoes it with the jokes or, more commonly, with the absurdity. this can usually be avoided with some restraint. think about what you're writing and approach the subject with some level of self-awareness.
as for creating a world that has comedic moments and dark moments. humans are silly creatures, they'd crack jokes even in miserable situations, gallow's humor is a thing after all. it's just a question of when they can tell a joke and what they're joking about.

>>96073053 (OP)
Fuck you, Erebus was an absolute chad who GOT SHIT DONE.

>>96089151
How was the original script? I agree, I'm also tired of the final dark boss. I prefered how it was when just 'human last city' vs xenos vs xenos.

What would have do the Witness after "winning"?

What is the end goal of 'The Darkness'?

>>96087172
arms of a green martian+the fashion sense of a goth+the forehead of a hon

>>96074226
Even Angron understands why the Emperor doesn't heal him, he said if he had coherent thoughts he'd "take the Slaving bastard's head" (which triggered Russ). Angron's whole shtick was empathy so he would have hated Big E

>>96087144
I think 40k Cherubs serve both grimderp and Grimdark well. It serves no purpose beyond just being comical evil to turn infants into robot angels that just hang around at the same time it is something that makes sense to the setting and is logical in a twisted way, I think you can have both but its dependent >>96087063
this to me is just grimderp as it just the comes across like this gag from family guy https://youtu.be/Xd6Shxz9UUs

>>96073901
To be fair, he was working on it and then the Emperor snatched him up mid-revolt. Still, it is powerfully stupid that the guy who beat an Eldar hit-squad as a child fresh out of the pod was somehow held captive by ordinary humans for so long. I guess they really wanted that Spartacus reference.

>>96091869
do they even go into detail about how much effort it even took to get the nails on him

>>96087483
>>96087172
He definitely looks like Megamind Memes

>>96092624
Not that I recall from his Primarch book

>>96073100
>>96073257
>>96087172
>criticism of warhammer
>look inside
>Bungayslopper
Why they constantly the need to bark their little dog syndrome at every Warhammer thing they see is beyond me. But I guess it beats playing Gaylo or Destranny these days.

>>96073901
>butchers nails
nu-fluff, not canon

>>96073053 (OP)
How can Chaos ruin 40k? It was there first. Not just the lore thing, the first Warhammer In Space articles in White Dwarf that eventually became Rogue Trader was about using your space minis from other games to fight your daemons from warhammer FB.

>>96093952
>Anything made after 1989 is Nu-lore, look at how much of a based grog I am!
Here's a (you)

>>96093954
Parental favoritism

>>96093954
>It was there first
lolnope, orks nids and eldar all came first. Chaos is just the younger sibling that gets coddled and spoiled.

>>96075758
It's demonic, pure and simple. These people worship demons in real life as well. It's so satanic it makes me sick. They want to ruin everything beautiful that God has created.

>>96090207
> What would have do the Witness after "winning"?
> What is the end goal of 'The Darkness'?

The Darkness is just any single pattern that grows to encompass all of creation, such that no other patterns can exist alongside it. The Light wants there to be as wide an array of co-existing and interacting patterns in infinite complexity, but the Darkness says "No, one of these patterns will prove to be the best and erase all of the others".

Both the Darkness and the Light used to be external to the universe. They saw the multiverse as a game played between them. The Light basically got mad because the Darkness won in every universe, and almost always with the exact same pattern. The Darkness said this was because it was correct and the Light was fundamentally wrong. The Light said that this one specific pattern was the problem, and if they removed the game-winning strategy it relied upon then other end states could occur.

(It is strongly implied that this super-pattern that always won was the Vex, the time traveling robots, because whoever masters time travel first wins)

The Light decided to change the rules, and manually alter the outcome of a universe by introducing a counter to the pattern as a proof of concept. The Darkness said that this was a bad idea, by involving themselves in the game they became a part of the game. The Light said that this was okay, lets just see how it changes things
The Darkness agreed and immediately attacked the Light, who was not prepared for a fight to the death and came away from that first battle already wounded

Because the Light can accept the existence of other patterns, and the Darkness cannot. By becoming part of the game, the Darkness cannot tolerate the existence of the Light. This is not a betrayal or a choice, this is an inevitability. The Light is willing to compromise and explore other options. The Darkness is incapable of it. Its not even HAPPY to be killing the Light, it tried to warn the Light not to do this.

>>96098036
I like how the Gardener & (especially) the Winnowers binary game was a perfect explanation for why the forces in Destiny act the way they are. I.e, why the Cabal, Hive, etc, act the way they do. Then they needed to insert that gay Witness shit because the braindead playerbase cannot understand allegory.

>>96098056
Its a real shame. Destiny really did squander its best parts over time.

>>96098056
No they needed to create a villain you could shoot with all your looted guns. Rather than shooting a metaphysical concept, they made it into a person so they could pull a Marvels Endgame.

>>96073053 (OP)
"horus" is not a fucking adjective

>>96098036
i get why it was done and its understandable, but it wouldnt have been necessary if not for >90% of the destiny playerbase being illiterate retards

Now you understand

>>96098056
>>96098968
Blame the way the game is set up. They should've either created lore that would've served the game's inherent limitations better (i.e. needing some big motherfucker you can shoot to death once a week for its exotic gun) or they should've sat down and storyboarded a better way to represent players shooting a metaphysical concept to death once a week for its exotic gun. It has nothing to do with players being illiterate and everything to do with bungle failing to craft a narrative that would fit within the constraints of the game they made.

>>96098056
>>96098968
>dont put the actual lore anywhere in the game itself
>when it is in the game you learn from it 90% of background radio chatter between different minority women

you can always tell that these sort of complains are being written by 5ed+ space marine players who complain about not having enough lore of their enemies while shitting up over half of all 40k releases by their own army. you guys just lack self awareness to criticize yourselves enough to notice that it's your dumbass projections you complain about. so once it is chaos, it goes "uhh too much chaos! i want to learn more about the other races but also i want a 15th lieutennant!"

your opinions are irrelevant unless you actually play xenos. and in that case, i am pretty damn sure your primary complain would be that there is far too much SM shit being concentrated on. unless you are an actual moron, at least

>>96087172
>picrel
That is some boohbah looking mf

>>96084165
Not all of them, you have Ironkin (robots), Clonekin (clones), and Fleshkin. Fleshkin are not explained, but I'm guessing they're naturally born. I think this explains the Ironhead Squats on Necromunda, since they are not stated to be clones.

>>96101816
>I think this explains the Ironhead Squats on Necromunda, since they are not stated to be clones.
Ironheads have a functioning Votann on Necromunda, they're clones. As of now there's no lore suggesting Votann reproduce naturally and this is even my first time hearing about clonekin vs fleshkin.

I think you're confusing "cloneskeins" with a type of kin. Cloneskein is just the name for the 3D printing devices that churn out new fleshkin from randomized/optimized DNA templates, not a type of kin in and of itself

>>96098954
more like a sexless adjective

>>96073901
>He was handed the best fucking permanent combat boost in 40K but still managed to fuck up in spite of it.
Lolwut? The Nails don't have any positive effects, they just cripple you emotionally and mentally.

Here is a hot take:
There is nothing wrong with wh40k lore. It is serviable for the setting and even when the HH novels are kinda mixed, they are probably more than one could have asked for considering it's around 30 full length novels by different authors. As a disclaimer, I never read one.

>>96103588
>As a disclaimer, I never read one.
Good. Keep it that way. You don't need to actually see how stupid it gets.

>>96073787
>There are various lore videos you can check out
Lore videos are for dogfuckers, no wonder you haven't got a clue what you're talking about

>>96103681
Let me guess? Not using the "real" Destiny story that was scrapped for what is being used?

>>96073100
>>96073257
Why are Destiny players such faggots. Do not post here again and go play Marathon, zoomer

>>96104772
destiny players are everything 40k fans get stereotyped as

>>96104772
Why would I play a shitty extraction shooter made of stolen art assets?

>>96104881
Yeah nice bait. You know what I'm talking about, faggot.

>>96104881
playing destiny isnt that far off

>>96104890
The only bait here is pretending Bungie was ever good.

>>96098991
I saw the same meme but with Star Wars, what an Ip can do to avoid the 'Shabbos goy' degeneration?

>>96073053 (OP)
im glad you dont write for black library

>>96073100
> destiny slop thinks he can even compare it to 40k kino

lol,lmao even.

>>96085896
The Horus Heresy comes from titanicus, not your gay little book you retard. Titanicus is where "primarchs with daddy issues" began.

>>96081014
He means he hates actual 40k where they turn excess children into food to keep their parents working, but the point is that the imperium is a hilariously shitty place to live and only looks good because the alternative is daemons.

>>96086970
Grimderp doesn't exist, the problem with roleplaying is that it attracts autistic midwits who post stupid shit like "why would they do -stupid fucking thing-, that's unreasonable and unlogical! does not compute! star trek!" when the imperium is just a real world dictatorship dialed up to 10. Why do the Norks worship Kim jong un? Why do the chinese get their shit pushed in by good boy points and King Xi? Real world dictatorships already do hilarious and stupid things to maintain control, Myanmar is basically the imperium with how the army is fighting an eternal war against dissidents to maintain control when they had a good thing going with sun suu kyi or whatever her name is, purely because they are stupid powertripping assholes. Autistic people can only view things from a lens of pure reason, not considering that an unreasonable system would by definition be unreasonable because in their head they'd be the perfect benevolent king instead of a fat weird dictator who eats entire bowls of garlic to stay healthy.

>>96102540
I thought the ironheads went to negromundo specifically because someone had their stc AI and was using it but they don't know where it is and want it back.

>>96115456
Counterpoint, something being intentionally retarded and offputting doesn't magically make it less retarded or offputting

Ex. The Bloodtide Returns, FATAL, the average 4chan contrarian troll

>>96073100
>a Votann character would be better to represent undivided
Truly Abaddon sucks so hard that the newest faction can do better.

>>96115415
Destiny players cannot resist inserting it into everything. You see it everywhere. “WAOW THATS LIKE DESTINY!!!” under basically anything with even the slightest relation

>>96115551
>Destiny players cannot resist inserting it into everything
I think destinyfags are odious as all fuck but the irony of a 40kfag making this complaint is washing over me.

>>96115456
The imperium is logical though. All of it's retarded and over the top policies are actually carefully sat down and considered by people who are literally centuries old and amongst the most educated individuals in the galaxy. It's just their policies only benefit 1% of the entire galaxy and they make no effort to change that. It's purposefully meant to be stupid, it's genius really. It's like how social services places are always unpleasant to visit, dreary and horribly bureocratic, it's not that the government is incompetent to make these systems work they just make them horrid on purpose so no one tries to claim their own rights. The Jopall Indentured are a perfect example, even if the massive debts every citizen has to their local autocrats would definitly be agains't standart administratum regulation, they make for hardy soldiers that don't waste the tiniest amount of resources, so no need to make the local elites comply. It's not absurd.

>>96094883
Younger by 6 months at most. Eldar and Tyranids weren't even recognizable before Realms of Chaos got released and codified what Chaos looks like to this day. Space Elves only had raiders, and only after Slaanesh was a thing did you get Craftworlds. Tyranids were a highly intelligent race of reptiles who use bio-mechanical technology, they enslaved the Zoats and were a completely separate and unrelated race to the Genestealers. Orks have only degenerated over time, the state they are in currently is disheartening.

>>96086240
>written from a fairly in-universe perspective
No it's not you fucking retard. Again, if you don't know what you're talking about don't open your mouth. The Warp and the Materium do not coexist, their very being is anathema to each other's existence. And slowly they are being pulled into each other, all so some space frogs could have 1-day shipping. It's why it's a grimdark setting, it's doomed no matter what anyone does. It's not even a Chaos victory, as the Warp gets destroyed too. Actually read first edition.

>>96092915
I honestly wonder how many guys it took to sedate him, or the amount of surgical tools needed to even open his skull for said nails

>>96115512

>>96117441
These look like ass.

>>96117333
Eldar Craftworlds are in Rogue Trader '87. They do lack aspect warriors and the like that defined craftworld armies though.

>>96073100
>be GW
>copy Destiny when reintroducing Squats
Why?

>>96119234
nice thumbnail, retard

>>96118993
They lack everything that defines Craftworld Eldar other than that they live on craft-worlds. No path system, no gods, no strict emotional control, no farseers. The major craft-worlds don't even get named until the Harlequin article in White Dwarf, and that only has Saim-Hainn.

>>96119234
>copy Destiny
how?

>>96075204
>original "heresy" didn't have primarchs at all and was just marines shooting marines for no reason at all.
Retard. Original lore stated the primarchs were generals and horus was the most trusted and betrayed the emperor for his own ends.

>>96075708
He didn't. Morty is a jobber.

>>96073100
In hindsight, we should've saw this coming. It's no coincidence the nuSquata are just copy and paste Cabal.

>>96120929
>copy and paste Cabal
virtually no similarities aside from a slight aesthetic overlap, in which case the cabal are copy and paste SMs

>>96115469
>negromundo
The correct term in negra inmunda

>>96098036
>The darkness is a metamaxing autist.
>The light is a creative autist who is sick of the darkness's shit and wants to try something new. While also refusing the truth of the darkness's statement.

Lol. This is great. I would play destiny 2 again after seeing this if Bungee wasn't run by moneygrubbing jews

>>96073053 (OP)
The correct solution is to make Necrons the most evil and powerful antagonist. They control Chaos incursions through Pylons and similar technologies. They use Chaos as an attack dog. And they created the Tyranids to accumulate DNA so they can study ways to reverse the Biotransference.

>>96073053 (OP)
Counter-argument
Marines ruined Chaos in 40k

>>96120929
Can't really see the similiarites except with the Shadow Legion because of the cloning. Otherwise the Cabal are nothing like the Votann even in their weapon set-up. Hell, they are just a more fuck-stompy Tau if they had more than the vassel races in their immediate army than the Psions.

>>96122011
Elaborate it.

>>96073100
>Calus would unironically better represent chaos undivided
Idk anon, Calus still has a noble heart, he cares about his soldiers and wants to convert as many as possible to the Witness' message so they can avoid annihilation. How would that fit with Chaos?

>>96125250
>Calus
>Noble Heart

Dude killed his own daughter's War Beast because he felt she loved it way more than him.

Plus, who knew if he actually understood what the Final Shape would be like because the Witness let everyone have their own idea of what it would be.

>>96125250
>Thinks he does good.
>Thinks he helps those under him.
>Wants to spread the word of his Master and convert as many as he can.
Last time I checked Lorgar is pretty good example of Chaos Undivided. Think in this framework.
Also this>>96125365, again, him thinking of himself and his actions as good is nothing but being delusional and he is still abusing and using his soldiers.
Anyway, anyone else loves the fact that the OP's pic including Calus defined the entire thread?

>>96127065
Such is the power of Calus, someone who knows how to pal around with god-like beings.

>>96125202
CSM trvialized all Chaos-related to bunch of roided eunuchs and their daddy issues.

>>96094883
Rogue Trader didn't get its official chaos models for like half a year or so, but the Warhammer In Space articles that started everything were all about the good guy alliance vs. Chaos.
Regardless of model dates, Chaos came first.

>>96073053 (OP)
Abnett was setting up great motives for treason in Horus Rising, primarily that the heresy was a class war where space marines are a class, something similar to the Satsuma rebellon. They had a lot of power in wartime, or at least the Primarchs they aligned closely with did which was a sort of power by proxy, and they're afraid of being sidelined or even purged like the thunder warriors.

Then McNeil wrote the actual moment he turned in a way that made no sense and was extremely crude and clunky.

There's about 50 pages of False Gods that you just have to treat as non canon and make up your own alternative to and all of a sudden the horus heresy is a pretty cool series, bar a few other little mental adjustments and with the caveat that there are some books that aren't very good, but which generally don't spoil anything either.

>>96075202
What anon isn't telling you is that The Worm Gods didn't evolve into that, this guy who is the right hand man of the final bad guy of the setting just beat their asses and subjugated them into their current form. Then The Witness, the previously mentioned final boss, offered the first Hive a deal with the devil to turn their entire race to darkness and into their goons by implanting them with the worms.

>>96127065
It's just fun to rag on Bungays and their overwrought sense of importance

>>96127065
>anyone else loves the fact that the OP's pic including Calus defined the entire thread?
?????????????????????????????
That was the whole point of the thread, retard. I made that image so I could talk about Destiny on /tg/

Hownu.ru

>>96128356
Wrong and wrong. It talked about the Imperium fighting Orks and Aliens while rogue chaos cults OCCASIONALLY got rowdy when "the eye of terror blinked".

They were a minor irritation compared to the REAL threats and not even worth defining as a real faction for like 3 editions.

>>96128622
He does more than that
>Goes down to Fundament
>No diffs the uncorrupted worm (presumably is like Asha) and takes one of its ribs to have in his collection which you can see in his pyramid.
>Takes Xita, the Mother of the Worm Gods and uses her to make more worm larvae to experiment on and power his super weapon.
>The final part of the raid is fighting on top of said weapon while Xita is in the middle of charging it.

>>96127065
>choice between yet another 40K thread vs ragging on how fucking retarded Bungay and Destroony is
Anyways, my favorite Destiny lore is how the CEO of the company basically ran a pump and dump scheme on his entire fucking company, laying off 40% of the staff just so he could give himself a bonus and how 90% of the shit fans think they like about Destiny are either stolen art assets or stolen plot points from a scifi author
The best part is Bungie can't even defend themselves in court since they permanently deleted the first three years of the game.

Say what you will about GW's shitty planned obsolescence practices, but at least you'll always have your minis at the end of the day.

>>96129701
why is destiny even discussed here? it has no relation to 40k let alone tg aside from obnoxious fans.

>>96129783
Because it lets destroony fags do something OTHER than play their game, since the actual game is tepid dogwater.

>>96073100
>all the money went to an extraction shooter which a baby can see had 0 chance of winning over tarkov players
At least Destiny will survive in 40k as Votann.

>>96125365
>Dude killed his own daughter's War Beast because he felt she loved it way more than him.
GOOD.

Caiatl is a selfish bitch who helped burn her own home planet. Calus's flaws were mostly his own personality problems which didn't affect 99% of the population. Calus was always stated to be a decent ruler whose only real "crime" was having fairly mundane character flaws and a small military budget. Meanwhile the conspirators' main motivation was either Calus not satisfying their need for military LARPing, or petty personal grievances. Up to Otzot's issue being that Calus was going to free the slaves, because it would lower her own standing in comparison. You can't even argue that it was necessary to keep the Cabal from going soft, because they still got fucked regardless in a losing war with the Hive they got into after, which they tried to fix by having ANOTHER losing war with Earth in the Red War. Caiatl essentially fucked everyone over for no reason due to daddy issues.

>>96129792
cannot wait until d2 finally dies out so its faggot fanbase stop inserting themselves into every community imaginable

>>96129783
Keep on denying the fucking nusquats aren't a shitty destiny clone back at R****t or wherever you came from.

>>96133353
Their design has nothing to do with destiny you fucking schizoid.

>>96133353
the irony of a destiny faggot calling anything reddit

>>96133353
Bungie literally outsourced their Destroony loredumps to redditors.

>>96073053 (OP)
I'm partly inclined to concur.
Chaos worked fine in Warhammer Fantasy Battles, but 40K didn't need it.

>>96073257
He also genuinely wrote a "historical record" (fan-fic) where the player character becomes his most loyal servant, and another entry where the Commander of the Last City's forces plays checkers while listening to bagpipe music and dining on "delicacies" like root beer and chicken nuggets.

>>96133715
Yeah, how wonderful it would have been to be one of his Shadows all of whom died when he sent them to assassinate people back on Torobatl or, ending up like Katabasis stuck in an ship trapped in an extradimensional pocket with endless waves of Scorn.

At least we get his gun out of it.

>>96129701
Agreed, I love that destiny lore. I also love how 40k's inception is just stolen plot threads and plot/setting pieces from Jodorowsky's uncreated Dune adaptation from 1970. Jodorowsky's Dune completely changed dune lore to give Shaddam a golden palatial planet that needed thousands of sacrifices a day to keep him alive. It also turned Mentats into basically what would become tech priests.

>>96134164
That makes a lot of sense

40k's nu-lore was mostly fine up until the Black Library authors couldn't help how obnoxiously Bri'ish Middle Class they were as people and killed Ollanius Pius's story because it was unfathomable that an ordinary member of the Solar Auxilia could ever impact a story as grand as that of the Primarchs

>>96135802
In the 1993 game Warmaster, where you fight aboard Horus' command ship, does feature both loyalist human troops as well as a commander. Yet for ages people have dismissed the idea of loyalist human troops boarding the Vengeful Spirit because of reasons.

>>96135878
They just leaned in way too hard on the Space Marine "gods-on-earth" thing at the expense of the richness of the rest of the setting. I don't even dislike Space Marines as a faction but there's a reason people will contemptuously say "I dunno ask /hhg/" on here whenever someone tries to discuss nu-lore.

What is up with the destinyfag? What does destiny have to do with anything regarding the votann

40k ruined 40k.

>>96117404
This is something I legitimately think about whenever Angron comes up. These guys had to seriously look at a fucking baby and think "this guy is definitely going to grow into a crazy fighter" in order to get those nails before he was capable of throwing people across the room.

>>96073100
>What if Loyalist Cabal
>but headed by a Warmind
Hire me games Workshop. This is how we will reboot the Squats. They'll all be clones made from spliced DNA patterns, use heat cleavers, and bolter shotguns, and ride in planet eating spaceships. This totally isn't a rip off or anything. OC Donut Steel.

>>96133388
Go back

>>96073100
Replace Abaddon/Archaon with Jack Garland.

>>96137584
>Make a bunch of random associations
>It's totally a one to one copy guys!

>>96137673
Damn, I can't believe Necrons were ripped straight from Destroony!

>>96133388
>Their design
>design
>so everything else is okay
Future Trunks has nothing to do with John Connor. They're both unborn children of the main female who're trying to stop a post-apocalyptic robot future but Trunks has blue hair so plot copying means nothing. The same archetype gets redone over and over in Gundam all the time like different Char clones with different masks or sometimes no mask, and the Lacus being idol singer Relena but Lacus is pink so they're completely different. The average Rei Ayanami clone doesn't have blue hair so it doesn't matter their personalities are one-to-one the same if not all of them being exaggeratedly stoic more than the real Rei.

>>96137673
>random association

>>96137673
Nice Gundam clone. You like F91 too? I'm fond of the Crossbone Vanguard

>>96137703
Necrons came first and much of Destiny is a 40k rip off so there's grounds for comparison.

>>96137673
>Make a bunch of random associations
Back in the day, if we had a comic book character who had completely the same powers as another, we'd call clone. Some would talk about looks but Darkseid and Thanos only look alike and are otherwise very different.

>>96137712
>>96137720
Careful anon, he's a newfag who never watched any of those.

>>96137723
It was a joke, anon. Destinyfag is suffering from a particularly acute case of Boss Baby Syndrome where he can't help but see Destiny in all things.

>>96137712
>Character archetypes

Is this how far you have to go now?

>>96137738
Inside your walls

>>96137712
You've gone histrionic m8

>>96137738
>>96137744
Not destinyfag but you pretending to be retarded?

>>96135802
anon, not only BL didn't "kill Ollanius Pius's story", fucking Abnett took the M41 legend and turned him into 2 characters, both dieing in a heroic last stand

>>96137744
And all the Vader clones aren't rip offs but archetypes

>Imperium can blow up planets
I can't believe 40K would rip off Star Wars like this!

>>96137744
>Character archetypes
Just how many 40k factions are singlehandedly their own archetype, let alone dedstiny? You give Destiny way more credit than it deserves. Don't be upset that GW steals from everything.

>>96137712
That's the thing about this. /40kg/ had people calling blatant rip off since the day Votann got released.

>>96137759
Vader himself is an archetype common in old samurai flicks, so that's probably not the epic gotcha you think it is.

>>96137770
>Vader himself is an archetype common in old samurai flick
Jesus anon, the specifics to Vader aren't.

>>96137761
I know! Shocking!

>>96137759
>>96137763
I just find it funny that someone out there isn't actually trolling and is seriously getting angry enough to force the idea. Oh well, someone go dig up Shakespeare so we can bitch at him for stealing all those stories he's famous for.

>>96137770
You seem to have a strange problem being ridiculously reductive at the same time overly general. Old samurai films rarely have psychic space wizards who are the protagonists father.

>>96137773
>old friend turned enemy serving the evil lord in dark spooky armor
Yeah, it kinda is.

>>96137777
Guy, you're the one trying to force.

>artist can draw PEOPLE?
I can't believe this art theft isn't real!

>>96137779
>blood ties and mysticism are never present in japanese dramas
It's okay bro, you can just say you don't actually know what you're talking about.

>>96137781
That's overly specific and missing key parts of Vader.

>>96137781
You're miraculously shaving core parts of Vader's character while being wrong given Luke wasn't Vader's friend.

>>96137790
You have a severe problem and are a step away from saying Arbites aren't Judge Dredd.

>>96137761
>>96137777
Just (You) yourself you samefagger.

>>96137795
He was Obi-Wan's, speedwatcher

NOT CLONES

>>96137803
Judge Dredd's creator literally made Arbites because he wanted Judge Dredd in 40K, retard. It's not at all comparable.

>>96137808
And Ben isn't the main character. If you do former friend, it could be anyone's former friend.>>96137781 describes a monumental buttload of characters all unrelated if the old friend could be anyone's, not just the protagonists.

>>96137817
And comic creators make clones when they go to different companies. Big whoop.

>>96137813
Whose the one on the bottom right?

>>96137813
>all warrior princesses are Wonder Woman
Damn, didn't know Boudica was just ripping off some jew from the 1960s

>>96137817
You need to visit /co/ if you think that's an actual argument.

>>96137813
Their designs are different therefore even if they're a warrior woman from a warrior woman amazon land, carrying a magic lasso, and several Womnder Woman traits, they look different so they aren't.

>>96137822
>>96137827
Didn't realize GW hired some bungle art directors recently.

>>96137834
GW and Bungie are both uncreative and rip off everything and everything.

>>96137833
That's sthis guy's problem. He's selectively reductive on very rare traits yet willing to make the biggest leaps for why not.

I find it supremely ironic that destroony fanatics are so protective of their shitty franchise's "artistic integrity" and think everyone is ripping it off when Bungo has been caught multiple times stealing art and stories from other people.

>>96137839
yes, but GW was doing it first and better

>>96137844
>artistic integrity
Who thinks that? Destinyfags I've seen hate destiny more than non-fans. YOu ever check their general?

>>96137833
>carrying a magic lasso
How many of them have a magic lasso, champ?

>>96137844
Projection. They don't say that.

>>96137855
>YOu ever check their general?
Why would I? I don't shit in their sandbox despite them constantly shitting in mine.
>>96137857
see this entire thread of them losing their shit over a perceived injustice from GW.

>>96137856
Numerous. In The Boys, they have a scene in Herogasm with a man tied in a glowing lasso in an S&M ritual. Wonder Gal AKA super Trixie Tang does too.

>destroonyfags are also /co/cksuckers
Explains a lot, really.

>>96137759
To be fair star wars stole just as much of 40k as 40k stole from star wars, if not more.
>FTL goes through sub dimensional hell, lore only added to sw after like 3rd edition of warhammer
>Weird alien species with bio weapons coming from another galaxy
>Grandiose golden age people have to steal old stuff from
Im not that big of a star wars head, only a little bit from when I was younger, but im sure people can draw more comparisons of stuff ripped right out of 40k.

>>96137844
/40kg/ here, this very picture has been posted and I've saved it from them.

>>96137860
>perceived injustice
Who and why? This is saying shit is a clone of shit

>>96137867
>a bunch of capeshit, none of which involves the characters he was bitching about in >>96137813
This is some next level gish-gallop.

>>96137860
>see this entire thread of them losing their shit over a perceived injustice from GW.
Guy. if you've ever been to /40kg/, they're critical over it. They don't like Votann being this. In fact, they mock Votann as one.

>>96137883
It's one guy. Maybe 2. But it's mostly 1 guy. People who actually shit on votann there rarely bring up destiny

>>96137883
They mock them for being mini-space marines. It's only a specific shitposter - the same one here, no doubt - who rants and raves about destroony. Probably in a vain attempt to get people to care about his dying franchise.

>>96137844
>>96137860
This sounds like a disastrous bad interpretation and unwillingness to change option. The smallest cursory look at the dedstiny fanbass has them hate their franchise more than anyone else. Many a franchise is like this. I don't know why this guy thinks it's a defense

Regardless of all this stupidity I just realized how shallow the typical Dwarf aesthetic is.

>>96137856
Pic has one
>>96137867
He's too young to know those. Maybe not The Boys.

>>96137892
>People who actually shit on votann there rarely bring up destiny
/40kg/ here, I've see it shat on as a shitty destiny clone before.

>>96137895
If there's one thing destinyfags praise (just look at this very thread) it's teh heckin DEEP LORR, which is what they're accusing votann of stealing.

>>96137892
>>96137894
I am confused how bad an interpretation this can be. Even
>mini-space marine
is horribly wrong. They get mocked more for Starcraft, which gets counter-mocking from people pointing out it's NASA.

>>96137908
Which is good because plenty calling rip off aren't destinyfags.

>>96137908
>it's teh heckin DEEP LORR, which is what they're accusing votann of stealing.
Your reading comprehension is awful and even this thread admits it's very shallow.

>>96137904
>STILL can't name an example from the pic he posted
>posts some calarts beanmouth pozzshit instead
/co/ ain't sending their best. I was always more of Conan guy but I don't remember Xena or Red Sonja having a lasso. Xena was all about the throwing anus.

>>96137914
>>mini-space marine
>is horribly wrong.
Just earlier they were mocking the new votann named character for being a Tyrannic War Veteran.

>>96137914
He's trying too hard to deny Geedubs has shitty inspirations.

>Indiana Jones uses a whip
Damn, can't believe George Lucas ripped off Wonder Woman.........

>>96137921
Is the source invalid?

>>96137928
See responses.

>>96137934

>>96137928
Yes, people cross-mock all the time. Tons of AoS factions have very big intermingle with 40k to the point various AoSfags who don't like 40k are unhappy. Does this mean they don't rip off elsewhere?

>>96137934
Indy has many clones himself

>>96137921
>/co/ ain't sending their best. I was always more of Conan guy but I don't remember Xena or Red Sonja having a lasso. Xena was all about the throwing anus.
You haven't watched enough and you're hyperfocusing on one thing. Not all traits will be in a copy but there's tons of times most are.

>>96137935
>claim Xena, She-Ra, and that bitch from a forgettable Xbox hack n slash are all Wonder Woman clones
>specifically cite their use of a magical lasso as part of their clone nature
>when asked to source this claim, you start ranting and raving about DA BOYS
Yes, the source is fucking invalid when it has nothing to do with what I asked. I'm not denying that clones and derivatives exist, I'm asking how Xena specifically is a clone and asking where her fucking lasso is since you specifically mentioned it.

It's especially egregious for the hack n slash broad in the bottom left, because she's very obviously a female kratos clone even with my limited memory of her game.

>>96137928
You know multiple inspirations go into each faction, even on individual unit basis?

>>96137958
>claim Xena, She-Ra, and that bitch from a forgettable Xbox hack n slash are all Wonder Woman clones
They did? I thought
>do X, Y, Z, etc
lists common traits. That's reading comprehension.

>>96137958
This ridiculous hyper focus gets mocked on /40kg/

Traditional games?
Warhammer 40 thousand?
Can we clean this thread up

>>96137880
>a bunch of capeshit, none of which involves the characters he was bitching about in
He askes specific lasso. Why not focus on the warrior woman land?

>>96137955
>You haven't watched enough
I'm specifically asking about those bitches in your dumb collage, I already know and don't care about the incestuous, inbred nature of capeshit.
>you're hyperfocusing on one thing
I'm focusing on it because you specified it. I wanna know where Xena's lasso is since you thought to bring it up.

>>96137971
Where are the jannies? we have a /v/ermin and /co/ckroach infestation

>>96137975
Because he's desperate and trying to say singular differences mean everything. He's trying to say Goku isn't Wukong because the power pole isn't stored on his ear.

>>96137976
Calm down anon. Breathe.

>>96137966
>claim specificity and then retreat to generality
>>96137975
Because the concept of woman warrior land predates Wonder Woman by roughly 2000 years and for him to try to claim that as novel to her just shows how retarded and shallow his breadth of literary knowledge is.

>>96137976
>specified
NTA but you do know something can be a clone without wholesale carrying every trait? Deadpool was a deathstroke copy.

>>96137976
It's like the above said. Weirdly overly reductive yet hype specific on others.

>>96137989
>of woman warrior land predates Wonder Woman by roughly 2000 years and for him to try to claim that as novel to her just shows how retarded and shallow his breadth of literary knowledge is.
Yes, Amazon's. And Wonder woman added shit to the archetype too. Same with tons of above characters named.

>>96137989
I can't believe Destinyshit invented blowing up planets!

>>96137990
He doesn't recognize those characters.

>>96137984
So you're admitting none of those bitches use a lasso?
>>96137990
I never said it couldn't. I just wanted to know about their lassos since anon felt like calling it out. However, the OTHER traits he listed are so fucking generic that none of them even originate with Wonder Woman so trying to lay claim to them is like trying to say Star Wars invented space operas.
>>96137999
Honestly this just started with a question of curiosity and you're the ones who tried to turn it into a grander statement.

>>96137976
Xenia is absolutely Wonder Woman inspired.

I do find it funny that everyone seems to agree votann are bland, derivative, and uninspired. The quibble just lies with where exactly they derive their bland uninspiration from.

>>96138008
You know the average Vader clone has no lightsaber?

>>96138008
This is amazing stretching over the smallest details while being evasive on others. War Woman from Invincible is a Wonder Woman clone with a mace. Many characters are copies of Sun Wukong without having half his powers. Missing singular traits is meaningless.

>>96138008
>curiosity
I'm just marveling at your mental gymnastics

>>96138032
>This is amazing stretching over the smallest details while being evasive on others.
I could say the same to you. Every time I try to ask you to actually back up your specific claims you squirm away under the shield of ERM, I WAS JUST BEING GENERAL.

Sorry lil chuddie, but Wonder Woman didn't invent warrior princesses or even amazonian warrior princesses. If you see WW in every amazon or warrior princess then that says more about you than anything else.

>>96138022
I doubt he does. I'm attacking his logic that missing singular traits is enough to disqualify characters as ac lone. Under that logic, Starcraft Terran Marines are absolutely not Space Marines given they're more like a glorified penal legion armed with railguns and nothing like an elite supersoldier squad with gyrjets.

>>96138051
>ERM, I WAS JUST BEING GENERAL
What's this interpretation coming from? You sound like a dedstinyfag with such bad reading.

>>96138039
>I'm just marveling at your mental gymnastics
Likewise.
>>96138052
>I'm attacking his logic that missing singular traits is enough to disqualify characters as ac lone.
I've stated multiple times that I've never claimed this. Funny how you keep ignoring that to further fuel your victim complex.

>>96138051
Not really. Famous book, comic and movie characters have taken established archetypes and expanded on them until their own traits are very well in place for the archetype. Gimli is why Dwarfs constantly use axes even though The Hobbit's Dwarfs use a wide range of swords and more.

>>96138060
You are

>>96138067
>nuh-uh!
Geez, you've broken down entirely.

>>96138060
>I've stated multiple times that I've never claimed this.
>missing lasso so not wonder womans

>>96138060
Are you sincerely joking? This is a troll post. Other posts have said over and over that missing singular traits don't disqualify and posted characters from varying sources with the similarly you hyperfocus on.

>>96138066
>Gimli is why Dwarfs constantly use axes even though The Hobbit's Dwarfs use a wide range of swords and more.
Oh, so the weapon they use IS an important marker of their clone status, now.
>>96138078
I literally just wanted to know why he specified the lasso when literally none of his examples in his collage used one. It'd be a bit like saying you can tell a Darth Vader clone by their use of lightsaber and then posting a picture of Shredder.

>>96138051
>Wonder Woman didn't invent warrior princesses or even amazonian warrior princesses
Nobody said she does no more than Vader invented wizards.

>>96138088
That's not what anyone says. People said traits.

>>96138088
>muh weapon
That's the one thing you're hyperfocusing on rather than people said traits in general? So Terran Marines aren't Astartes then.

>>96138082
>Other posts have said over and over that missing singular traits don't disqualify
And I never disputed that. I wanted to know specifically what made those examples he posted wonder woman clones and he mentioned the lasso, so I asked about their lassos. It's not my fault you guys can't back up your own claims.

>>96138088
And I literally want to know why you're doing enormous mental gymnastics.

>>96138098
>So Terran Marines aren't Astartes then.
They're really not. They have much more in common with Rogue Trader space marines and Aliens' Colonial Marines than with the Asstarts.

>>96138100
Bait or mental retardation

>>96138088
>>96138100
What kind of absurd hyperfocus is this? Maybe he could've mentioned divine blood or any other common traits to numerous WW inspired figures. And >>96137955 is technically not a lasso but a chain that does the same thing and few would say that disqualifies.

>>96138109
But dey rook same

>>96138105
You're the one reaching for some beanmouth shit and trying to make this into a grand, sweeping statement when I asked specifically about Xena.

>Yo, this character is definitely inspired by Shintaro Katsu as Zatoichi
>YOU THINK THEY INVENTED BLIND SAMURAI

>>96138132
That's a good analogy. Fujitora is highly different in power set with gravity powers.

>>96138132
If your only grounds for "directly inspired" is "they're both blind samurai" then yes it does make you look stunted to claim that.

>>96138132
>>96138134
All the other admirals too are based on famous Japanese actors or roles.

>>96137770
>samurai flicks

>>96138139
Holy shit, then you're really, really off.

>>96138150
This is a good example. Many Vader clones have big dark armor but some are also disfgured or on life support. Within Star Wars itself, there's many Vader clones like Malgus which are still clones though lacking this or that trait. Golbez is a clear Vader even though he isn't on life support.

>>96138163
FF in general is clock full of Star Wars

>>96138164
12 especially.

>>96138151
IF nigga, IF.
I don't know the characters, I was making a general statement

>>96138164
>citing trannyslator localizations
Very poor form.

>>96138163
Well, Golbex is a blood relative of the protagonist, an actual space wizard given he's half Lunarian, the more active second-in-command to a greater enemy, ahs this whole redemption arc, even his Cosmic Ray attack in Dissidia is like force lighting.

Nah, those are random associations.

>>96138183
Biggs and wedge

>>96138190
>citing trannyslator localizations

>>96138184
What about Gabranth?

>>96138195
NTA but ビッグス and ウェッジ are their Japanese names.

>>96138195
>original Japanese names are the same
Random association

>>96138196
He's the heavily armored second-in-command to the evil Emperor, in what is already the most heavily Star Wars game in the franchise, Basch's twin thus the blood relation, both a bunch of tortured broken men with tons of guilt and self-hate, he dies going against the Emperor he once served among other details.

Coincidence. Just random association.

>>96138219
What about Balthier and Han or Fran and Chewie?

>>96138231
Fran's a weird one. Furry companion to rogue guy in romance with princess leading rebellion?

>>96138235
Is that a random association?

>>96138237
Now that I think of it, I suppose there's similarities. Less obvious than Han and Balthier.

Han and Balthier are notorious criminal freighters, Han a smuggler while Balthier's a sky pirate, they have their romances with the respective princess leading a rebellion (Leia and Ashe). Han in the EU used to be an Imperial just like Balthier being an ex-Judge. They have that wisecracking attitude That one is obvious(ly random association) but I haven't thought about their furry companion. Fran is way less furry than Chewbacca and way more big booby bunny girl and I was thinking about her backstory being nothing like Chewie. But on a present-day role, Chewie's bowcaster is a sci-fi analogy to tribal bows and Fran does serve as the animal-man tribal ship maintainer to Balthier's smoothtalking rogue. I can see similarities and Fran filling Chewie's role for Balthier's Han but their personalities and more are otherwise rather different. Interesting idea that took some thought though.

>>96138219
>>96138205
>>96138237
You're really hyperfixated on this

>>96138285
Those are just complete random associations. No need to dwell on having a massive number of highly coincidental traits in common.

>>96138280
What about FFII Emperor and Palpatine?

>>96138289
Take a deep breath, anon. It'll all be okay.

>>96138290
FF2's Emperor has hardly any personality but he is a magic evil emperor.

>>96138293
>bad falseflagging

>>96138296
Meds

>>96138298
>continuing bad falseflagging

>>96138305
Speaking of terribly obvious samefagging
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/filename/Typical%20Votann%20activity/

I too falseflag to pretend clones can't still be clones while missing some traits.

>>96138311
>more schizorants
I am in your walls

>>96138312
>>96138317
Does anon know what those words mean?

>>96138312
All me. Even >>96138305 is me. You are me too.

>>96138321
>anon doesn't know what walls means
Sad! Must be a thirdworlder.

>>96138326
I'm a bit sarcasm deaf because of what usually goes on on these boards so I don't know if you're for real or not. I've posted that webm at /40kg/ a few times at random when votann discussion happens for no reason.

>>96138333
>destroony spammer is literally retarded
OH NO NO NO

>>96138327
Still inside your walls, downloading Destiny onto your PC. Do not cite the deep magic to me witch, I was there when it was written
>>96138333
Yes, you are me.

>>96138337
Yep, it's thirdie filth. Must've escaped its gross poo nation on an H1B.

>>96138335
Why do you assume anons who save other people's webms and occasionally drop them just because it seemed, Iike a ritualpost?

>>96138342
You are me too.

>>96138344
Yes anon, we totally believe you're not just a samefagging thirdie.

>>96085831
Frankly they are. The gold and purple ones at least.

>>96138350
You need help.

>>96138350
I like the schitzoid falseflagger. His walls are comfortable. I spent many years inside them, constantly downloading Votann, Destiny, and Gundam to his PC. Lots of tomboys too.

>>96138361
>NYOOO MY SAMEFAGGED SHITPOSTS ARE A HECKIN MEEM U GAIZ EVERYONE LOVES ME
Touch grass.

>>96138368
Whatever gets you attention. Take another (You). No more.

>>96138373
>Whatever gets you attention
The absolute projection.

>>96138337
I doubt he got that reference from the spoiler.

>>96138385
>so mad someone didn't reddit poggers at your epic refrance you have samefag about it

>>96073053 (OP)
Chaos would be far better it had more inter-god variety or different forms of the same Chaos God minion.

Take Destined Death. We have anywhere from the Godskins and Gloam Eyed Queen, to the skeletons and everything that came from Godwyn, Malekith sealing it away, etc. Or the Dark Moon we have Ranni and Raya Lucaria, the underground cities, the starbeasts and Radahn gravity sorcery, etc. They all came from the same source but diverge in everything from where specifically to individual characteristics. In Warhammer, we rarely have anything close. If it's from Khorne, you can bet it'll be some red guy with brass and blood. That's not saying nothing should have their patron god's ID tag but that we rarely have truly divergent different things from the same source.

In a way, it's like if we had a Khorne Xenos race that behaves like Mohg's minions. The Chaos Gods are, weirdly, very uniform. I know there's the IRL logistics of making models and stuff but across an entire galaxy and many in-universe interpretations of the Emperor, we almost always see a similar representation for Chaos guys.
>>96073100
What's this Votann posting doing here? Then again, I'm posting ER as a better alternative so what am I saying.

>>96138404
Like Daedra?

>>96138404
I wish they would have given us the chance to fight Godwyn in some capacity.

>>96138413
In a way yes. The Daedra are highly Warhammer inspired but the format means we see more generic and non-god specific Daedra. Peryite is basically Papa Nurgle as a dragon. We have god-specific ones like Seducers and Daedric Titans became spread out but were originally a Molag Bal creation because he can't get Dragons.

The big problem I have with Chaos is general is they're ironically super orderly. We see near the same shit over and over even though there's supposed to be huge variety in Daemons in the Warp. Are there no ways to interpret a bloody war god besides the same Khorne guys over and over? He's supposed to be Grom meets Odin yet the only Odin thing he has is Vakyria.
>>96138423
The DLC killed discussion on ER pretty badly. The most I hear are how everyone's complaining about Miquella's lack of braincells or how much Radahn sucks and Morgott beat him.

>>96138404
Votannposting is an alternative solution.

>>96138468
Alright I guess. >>96073100 would make a nice Chaos Votann army but those don't exist.

>>96138450
>We see near the same shit over and over even though there's supposed to be huge variety in Daemons in the Warp.
That's just a limitation of 40k being tied to the minis. But other GW games try to invent different and new daemons (KT, HH)

>>96138488
But even the games usually don't try anything new. The fan animation Astartes invented new xenos but so few GW properties are willing. Even preexisting known but obscure stuff like Hrud or minor unaffiliated Daemons hardly appear even as cameos.

>>96137738
Are you the same person who usually doesn't use caps, posting "fuck off destinyfag"
to every single time Votann have been mentioned months to few years ago? Because accusations of all Votann players being Destiny players trying to infest 40k go way back almost as soon as their release. There's a stream of thought at the 40k general that Votann are an attempt to cash into Destiny fans with an angry response hating them for exactly that reason.

>>96138539
>more schizoposting
Meds onegai

>>96138005
>Destinyshit
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/destinyshit/

My hunch is correct. We have an autist who hates Votann for a Destiny connection here. I don't know which Bungie exec ran over your dog but can you take it to /v/?

>>96138555
I'll take the lack of a "No" as confirmation. I'm glad you finally learned to capitalize though.

>>96138570
>everyone who mocks destroony spamming is one person
All you've done is confirm your own samefagging, ironically enough.

>>96138581
>too mentally incompetent to comprehend inferences
I guess this confirms the thirdworlder accusations too.

>>96138582
>anyone who IS spamming Destiny every time the Votann ever shows up, uses the exact same phrases to the point that "fuck ON destinyfag" became a response in mockery, and insists others are samefags but never admits to it
Cool then.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/destinyfag
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/destinyfag%20samefagging/

No coincidence at all the one difference between your style is your vocabulary. Keep on insisting Votann are /v/ or Destiny or Gundam or whatever ticked you off today. I'm sorry for your dead dog.

>>96138615
>once again reveals he's samefagging while accusing others of samefagging
>tops it off with random redditoid sass
Very sad day for you, huh?

>>96138592
Your lack of explicit denial and reliance on "inferences" to avoid a direct denial are your typical style. I can say I'm not >>96073100
>>96073204
>>96073217
easily. No inferences necessary. Could be I'm OP coming to see how this thread is going. You don't know but I'll let that "inference" handle the rest.

Sorry about the dead dog or the ex-girlfriend a Bungie exec slept with. I'll tell you what. If I ever buy a Votann Army, I'll make it Destiny themed for you.

>>96138645
>Your lack of explicit denial
You act like saying "you're a crazy retard" is any different from a flat "no".

Kinda ironic in a thread that erupted in flames over arguments of hyperspecifics vs generalities. Extra ironic considering you've also never explicitly denied being the destiny spammer. Honestly the whole thing just reeks of a devil in the mirror scenario.

>>96138636
The odds of you being that are greater than ever because accusing others of samefaggotry on an anonymous image board is exactly a talking point he's been using if you can't see that second link. Don't worry, I'll keep your secret. I'm a tad saddened that you haven't learned new tricks but congratulations again on learning to use the Shift key or Caps Lock.

>>96138653
I've seen court cases where an accused caught with irrefutable evidence starts tossing insults out of frustration. That trick doesn't work on me.

Now congrats again on learning how to use a Caps Lock but I can't be here all day. You learn some new tactis next time okay? And stop shitting up the 40k general too.

>>96138654
>still no explicit denial
I accept your concession. Using your own pitiful excuse for your own samefagging, you seem awfully certain "fuck off destinyfag" ISN'T a ritualpost yet you claim the same exact posting style with the same exact files and the same exact filenames IS a ritualpost.

Funny, that.

>>96138669
>an accused caught with irrefutable evidence starts tossing insults out of frustration
You mean like >>96138615
>I'm sorry for your dead dog.
>>96138645
>Sorry about the dead dog or the ex-girlfriend a Bungie exec slept with.
>>96138669
>Now congrats again on learning how to use a Caps Lock

Why do you keep telling on yourself, lil bro?

>>96138669
>Caps Lock
Shift key, thirdie. The word you're looking for is shift key. CAPS LOCK LOOKS LIKE THIS. Shift Key Looks Like This. Learn the difference for the next time you have a crashout over getting caught samefagging.

>>96138450
Remembrance of a Moron and a Failure

>Remembrance of Fraudahn, consort of Miquella, hewn into the Scadutree.

>The power of its namesake can be unlocked by the Finger Reader. Alternatively, it can be used to deprive yourself of a bounty of runes out of sheer incompetence.

>In the Shattering, Miquella saw in Fraudhan a kindred spirit in incompetence. His defeat at Morgott's hands, and his cruelty in murdering all of Castle Redmane's former inhabitants, that stood in marked equivalence with Miquella's failure in achieving almost any goal he set out for.

>And so Miquella made his heartfelt wish. That he give Fraudhan Mohg's body which will be the sole reason Fraudhan has any fighting ability.

And the spell you can transpose works by lagging your enemy's computer or giving the player a flashing light induced seizure.

>96138675
>96138682
>96138704
>be me
>come to thread to post how much badly done Chaos is and how ER handled Outer God's better
>sees this
NTA but this is pathetic.

>>96138728
>so assmad xhe forgot how to reply on 4chan

>>96138404
Give me a Khorne character who rips off his own limbs and bashes others with them and regenerates. Khorne cares only that blood flows, not where it flows from, so a bleeding follower making others bleed is doubly good. As for the NuSquats in purple >>96073100? I don't know. There's no Chaos Squats anymore.

>>96133353
Reminder that the Heat Axe poster was vindicated when Squats had Plasma Axes and you were mad he won.

>>96138944
>he

>>96138983
>she won
>xir won
I don't care. Keep seething. He helped get me into Gundam so I'm grateful.

>>96139001
>still acting like it's someone else
Meds onegai

>>96087063
Basically happened in Englands Industrial era lol. Not babies, but little toddlers basically the moment they could walk.

>see this thread
>destinyshitfags celebrating their votrans
>destinyshitfags defending their beloved voltrans faction
>retarded fakers lying about how the /v/otrans aren't their cancerous bungay franchise infecting 40k
Bungay sucks and so does /v/otrans

>>96073053 (OP)
>space marines are the most popular
>make evil space marines the main villains
it's that simple

I came to this thread to insult all the Pagflyfags who think they aren't an expy.

>>96138163
What about the part where FFXVI is a rip off of Naruto?

>>96139290
Only 16fags and autists that judge only by the medieval appearance would argue against that. You may find the destinyfag trying too hard to deny /v/shit elsewhere like denying the Votann Leagues are just badly done Destiny knockoffs, which is sad because you'd think they'd do better than Destiny by not being Destiny alone. Someone entertained by shallow explosions like him would likely deny it.

Back in my day, everyone agreed that Japan was an Asian clone of the UK.

>>96139410
>the most obvious destiny transplant into 40k
>complete with a character titled THE DESTINED
It'd take an XVIfag to miss this.

>>96073053 (OP)
Kill Chaos

>>96139440
>live on an island
>drive on the wrong side of the road
>cope about the "empire" they used to have
>drink lots of tea
>eat curry because their native food sucks
>only seasonings they know are salt, vinegar, mustard (wasabi), and worchestershire sauce
Pretty much

>>96137744
That would make a nice sc-if Slayer equivalent if you remove all his clothes. The Votann already have plasma axes so those blades would fit right in.

>>96139440
>Legends about swords recovered from the waters being symbols of power (Excalibur and Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi).
>Civil wars between families that use the colors Red and White as symbols (War of the Roses and Genpei War).
>A tyrant who reformed the military structure, by adopting modern weaponry (Cromwell and Oda Nobunaga).
>saved by storms at least once (Spanish and Mongols respectively)
>failed to invade the Mainland country right next door during medival times. (100 years war and imjin war, though imjin is also comparable to the invasion of ireland)
>Managed to defend a huge army from mainland at sea. (Napoleon and Mongols)
>Subjugate the original inhabitants of the island. (Celts and Ainus)
>Gets raided by Pirates during the 9th century. (Vikings and Korean/jurchen Pirates)
>Raids other countries ships during the 16th century. (English Pirates and Wokus)
>Draw stingy, straight & innacurate borders which would lead to neverending conflicts and disputes
>Both appropriated curry from Indians
>Their medieval armored warriors are romanticized as disciplined and honorable when in reality they were basically just the cops of their time period.
>Funny Accents that get over exaggerated in Hollywood and memes.
>Their nation has something to do with the sun in their mantra.
>try teaming up 1905
>Tea obsession
>One large, sprawling city, and the rest of the country is endless suburb or farmland
>Ancient historical mutual beef with all of their geographical neighbors
>Enemies to lovers arc with the USA
>Ridiculously large amounts of cultural exports despite the relatively small population and not speaking the same language
>Constitutional symbolic monarchies
>Democratic system that was originally based in feudalism
>Got most of their language and writing systems from the mainland

>>96128241
I agree. How would you fix it?

>>96139290
>said they were game of thrones inspired
>somehow made naruto
I can never understand ffxvi

>>96073100
>>96139742
>>96139791

>>96073053 (OP)
Why not
>Horusian Heresy

>>96137673
It's not a bad comparison. Warhammer fans do similar all the time. The Imperium gets compared to the Skaven with the emphasis on huge numbers, lack of regard for their soldiers lives, overly crowded living spaces and more. Cathay has been compared to the Imperium especially before the Horus Heresy with its clearly divine emperor ruler who claims he isn't divine yet plans some huge project and isn't very involved with daily running of the empire, a bunch of feuding demi-god children of emperor, has an army made up of corps of ordinary humans fighting alongside higher ranked soldiers containing the Emperor’s essence and gold-clad super-elite humans plus giant robots and air support that completely incinerates contaminated areas, hypocritically hates religion and users of supernatural power, is plagued by division, bureaucracy, and rebellion even though they're hypothetically a stronger faction due to size and scale.

>>96144515
>clearly divine emperor ruler who claims he isn't divine
>plans some huge project and isn't very involved with daily running of the empire,
>feuding demi-god children of emperor
>army made up of corps of ordinary humans fighting alongside higher ranked soldiers containing the Emperor’s essence
>gold-clad super-elite humans
>giant robots and air support that completely incinerates contaminated areas
>hypocritically hates religion and users of supernatural power
>plagued by division, bureaucracy, and rebellion even though they're hypothetically a stronger faction due to size and scale.
Pure coincidence

>>96137720
NTA but F91 is pretty fucking sick