Thread 96073272

>WW1 with demons
>"mudcore" aesthetics
>no flashy colors
I get the artists try to portray a dark setting that reflects the dirty of WW1, but would be bad to add some flashy colors?
Every pre-modern army had colorful uniforms and armors, or it would be a copy 40k Emperor's Children?

Aside from the aesthetic part, does trench warfare make sense with all the old technology out there? Is it possible?

>>96073272 (OP)
The online Trench Crusade community is incredibly obnoxious.
They've made this small indie game their personality and identity and lash out at anyone who dares even honestly criticize it with Trench Crusade's best intentions in mind.
Watch it happen if this thread takes off.
I'll be proven right.

>>96073272 (OP)
The online Trench Crusade community is not particularly obnoxious actually.
They don't lash out much and tend to have variagated personalities.
It will not happen in this thread.
I'll be proven right

The thread has fallen, the bots have taken it. It's joever.

>>96073272 (OP)
The game is proxy friendly.
This means you can make print anything and as long as it fits a "theme" then its fine and most people in the community would be fine with it as in the end its just a fun simple game.
The only ones lashing out are those who are in dire need of help.
Hell i am proxying totally not khorne hot babes as court of seven headed serpent and everyone i play against are fine with it because im actually playing with and painting my miniatures. (once im done with my current faction im gonna do a heretic boarding party warband vampire themed and a black grail army rat themed.)
One more thing to remember about trench crusade. Its not real, its a fun what if setting with things that dont make sense. Ignore 99% of the online community and just enjoy what you like about the setting...
also to fully answer your question. to be honest i don't know why theres a strong "trench" theme. theres a lot of things in this setting that kinda just ignore trenches. For me i get more of a feel of skirmishes in depot areas or ruined villages and the like. Still enjoy the game, its brought me out of a 2 year long hobby block.

>>96073287
Yeah that's not true at all. I'm in their Discord server and they've been nothing but chill and extremely welcoming. Stop getting your info from Arch, who just has an axe to grind against the game since he got banned from the Discord for trying to turn it into another culture war battleground. Before he got banned, he loved the game and sang its praises, but now he just shits on it every chance he gets because he's a whiny little baby who can't handle being banned.

>>96073287
People on 4chan are not part of the Trench Crusade community, or any community at all besides the 4chan community. They are pariahs to all people capable of recognizing value in other humans.

>>96073687
>Yeah that's not true at all.
It is true in the case of Trenchers here on this website.
I know a large number of them are the same Discord users just going as the kids say "mask off" and being their true obnoxious selves.
I'm in the Discord too and the last time I checked the public general they were talking about chuds. Maybe I logged in at a bad time but I don't know why I'm still in it.
Part of me hopes that the LGS community will not be as obnoxious as the Trench community here on /tg/. But Murphy's Law is almost always right these days.
I don't watch Arch. I just find him funny how he makes so many people seethe just by existing and how many heads he has conquered.
I don't like Warhammer 40k either.

I just know that what I said in the post is correct. And again if this thread takes off I will be proven right.

>>96073687
Arch
>rent free
LMAO

>>96073364
Does your discord just have a team of dedicated spergs constantly looking for TC threads to defend or what?

>>96073801
What urge makes you want to defend a guy with the physique of milk and a fedora face who talks in a fake pedophile voice?

"rent free" doesn't mean anything here except that he is easily and automatically recognized as an incredibly embarrassing person. What puts you in that 1% of autists that can look at him and do anything but cringe?

>>96073797
I usually find that smaller local communities are nicer, but I live in the midwest in a big wargaming town. I'd imagine it's much worse in certain other places and big stupid global discords.

>>96073802
it sure doesn't

>>96073797
>I checked the public general they were talking about chuds.
I miss the times were people knew the difference between real world and fiction, it all feels like we're again in the early 90s and you have to suffer the boomertards saying "video-games make you violent" or "GTA makes you wanna steal cars and kill whores".

>>96073272 (OP)
Well you see, bright uniforms just isn't realistic. Especially in an extreme religious fantasy setting with mecha jesuses and church tanks and corpse demons

>>96073272 (OP)
>Every pre-modern army had colorful uniforms and armors,
And they quickly stopped when it became readily apparent that a rifleman could kill a man several hundred yards away. Khaki uniforms were the first camouflage.

>>96073793
That's the most based thing I've read in days. Fuck yeah! Everyone else sucks. I'd rather be here than take part in any "community".

>Demons are outnumbered 10,000:1
>Demons control on a very small slice of the world
>WW1-era guns can kill demons
>The world has been at war for generations with "no end in sight"
This is even more retarded than 40k. The only way the world makes sense is if the entire leadership of Christendom is a demonic asset.

>>96073287
There's plenty of you that make it your whole personality to hate it too. You're the first reply for instance, and I bet any pushback will validate your notions despite me for example having no interest in Trench Crusade.

>>96073272 (OP)
Bright colours didn't survive long in WWI either, thought that said not everything was shades of shit either. Rule of cool obviously prevails in some aspects, but it's a mudcore setting in a mudcore genre.

>>96073861
>la renta gatis

>>96075193
You're in love with a faggot albino weakling.

Touch grass. TOUCH A GIRL.

>>96075713
Arch has clearly buck broken the trench crusade community so much it is unreal.
Evict him from your head the obsession with him is not healthy.

>>96076542
More like Trench Crusade buck broke him. He talks about it non-stop ever since he was banned from the Discord. He also seethes non-stop that the player base for the game keeps growing despite how much he rails against it.

>>96076557
>arch can’t stop thinking about trench
>trench can’t stop thinking about arch
Does this mean both sides are broken bucks because they’re both obsessed with each other.

>>96076565
The Trench Crusade community doesn't think about him though. It's more like he makes a video seething about the game and then the Trench Crusade community makes fun of him for it, then goes back to talking about the game.

He's such a pathetic loser. He did the same thing to GW and 40k fans when they started shitting on him too. Arch is the absolute personification of the saying "can dish it out, but can't take it" when it comes to criticism.

>>96076589
>They also seethe non-stop that his viewer base for the game keeps growing despite how much the community rails against it.

Like gay pottery

>>96073272 (OP)
>no flashy colors
Official artwork

>>96076627
Except they don't. Your only defense of Arch is basically just saying "no u!" and hoping no one will fact check you to see that he's the only one seething. And the funny thing is you can tell he actually likes the game, but feels he has to shit on it solely because he got banned from the Discord.

>>96076694
Promoted via Trench Crusade's insta

>>96076706
Official miniature. The mini is covered in SO much mud, as you can see.

>>96076690
>>96076694
>>96076702
>>96076706
Thanks for posting proof that OP hasn't actually looked into the game himself and is just going off of what his favorite sloptuber told him his opinion should be.

>>96076710
Canonical in-universe map of the setting, made by the in-universe British. So filthy and muddy and drab.

It's easy to think you're correct when you don't know anything about what you're talking about.

>>96076717
Have they explained how New Antioch remains supplied and reinforced? They are completely surrounded by heretics on land, and as far as I understand it, the heretics have achieved naval superiority as well.

>>96076748
Heretics have naval superiority in the Atlantic ocean, the Mediterranean Sea seems to be a little more touch-and-go. New Antioch's tithes would be extremely well protected, and might also be air-delivered as well. They might island hop from the Papal States through Greece and Cyprus to make it easier.

Hell, maybe that Church space program allows them to drop supplies from lower orbit. That would be cool.

>>96076766
That would be cool. It would show that the Church is still trying to actually win instead of it looking like they are giving up and exploring options to bug out from Earth.

>>96076787
I doubt the church is planning to bug out of Earth, since God made Earth for them. They probably want to built a massive fucking cannon to blast the gates of Hell shut. But I do find the churches ascent into space to be fittingly thematic as well. Like the demonicly inspired tech of the forces of hell have driven them lower down, literally into the earth and beneath the waves, while the forces of heaven has ascended them higher than hell can aspire. It's neat.

>>96073272 (OP)
>WW1
>Flashy colours
captcha: OKMAM

>>96073287
>The online Trench Crusade community is incredibly obnoxious.

Anybody who plays tabletop and has an online presence is obnoxious.

Trench Crusade sucks because it wears WW1 likw an interchangable skin in a computer game.

WW1 was plenty grimdark, no need for these trimmings. Just play Gary Gareber's WW1 game ffs

>>96076717
>All the Islamic regions are taken over by demons

kek

>>96076976
Except, you know, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Marrakesh. Oh, and Mecca, that tiny minor location of little note to Muslims.

>>96077049
americans don't know geography.

>>96073272 (OP)
no. The game is firmly in the "Blanchitsu" school of 28mm hipster games where people dip minis in mud effect to make them "grimdark"

>>96076717
I was under the impression that the good guys were on the back foot, but this map makes it look like the demons are getting their asses handed to them considering this war has been going on since 1200's or something.

>>96073272 (OP)
>I get the artists try to portray a dark setting that reflects the dirty of WW1, but would be bad to add some flashy colors?
Trenchtards already pointed out that there is some colour in the setting, but the entire thing is meant to be one of those exercises in excessive grimdark for edginess' sake, saking the black-and-white art of later 40k as a start off point.
I sometimes genuinely wonder whether it's some kind of modern thing with American men refusing to wear any kind of colourful clothing, and eschewing anything with colour thanks to that - see the general rise of mudcore among that people in this hobby space.

>does trench warfare make sense
The basic premise of this setting does not make sense whatsoever, and if it is even meant to represent basic concepts of Christianity then it's representing them incredibly poorly. At the most it's very American-style gnosticism that is popular over among their evangelicals.

The cardinals like in >>96076690 look kino though, but you can also have a cardinal general in a regular Fantasy or renaissance setting that isn't depressive edgeslop.

>>96077611
It's currently fought to a stalemate. Despite having less territory, Hell contains a 1/3rd of mankind. What this map doesn't show, also is the losses and gains throughout history. Like, at one point, Ireland was conquered by Hell, and the forces of Hell fought all the way into the heart of France during the Late Middle Ages before being turned back. Plus, it's a map of front lines. It doesn't map insurgencies/cells of Hell that exist within nations.

>>96077681
Alright, still gonna think it's lame.

>>96077686
Your loss.

>>96076748
yes, they recently said that the papal state navy is contesting the seas around the supply lines of NA

>>96077611
Nah, the war is just getting started. For humans it has raged for 800 years which is a long time to us, but the lore says for immortal beings like angels and demons, they still consider the war to be in the opening phases and what's going on on Earth are just the initial skirmishes. That means both Heaven and Hell haven't really even mobilized their full forces yet and are just largely letting their human followers duke it out right now.

>>96075041
Demons can't actually be on earth else that violates the NAP and God sends the angels to hyper rape everything. So most of the "demons" we see are actually mutated humans, which is why guns are effective against them

>>96076717
Weird that Antioch is still held wouldn't Constantinople act like a better place to make a last stand?
Also how come there isn't a demonic invasion in Hoholistan?

>>96073272 (OP)
>Why don't we contravene our own art direction so that it's less consistent because consistency is boring

This is how you get orange and blue everything btw.

>>96078231
>Weird that Antioch is still held
Antioch fell in 1545, and Byzantium thereafter but sometime before 1573. They recaptured the Antioch ruins in 1559 and started to rebuilt it as New Anitoch due to it being the first bulwark against the forces of hell and thus symbolic. It isn't a last stand, it was the first organized stand against hell (by Christians, anyway). The armies that sacked Turkey were slaughtered in the forests of Wallachia in 1573. New Antioch's walls weren't complete until 1595, but Hell likely didn't have the manpower to recapture it regardless. It was still medieval, at this point in time, so armies need to travel slowly.

>Also how come there isn't a demonic invasion in Ukraine?
Because there black sea is in between them and the forces of hell, and that need to be conquered first. Maybe there has, we don't know every single event. That map only shows the current day of the setting. Like everyone else, though, it has at least suffered through the Corpse Wars since that affected everyone, and probably endless uprisings/raids.

>>96078261
There is no art direction Mike Franchina paints whatever he wants and the lore bends itself to justify it

>>96078269
>The armies that sacked Turkey were slaughtered in the forests of Wallachia in 1573.
I think that's the single coolest tidbit of lore.

>>96078225
That makes the war make even less sense.

>>96073861
>seething and malding this hard about Arch
It's because he was the first to raise the alarm about creatures like you and your kind.

>>96079200
Fuck off, Arch. You lost, you pasty faggot. You've accomplished nothing.

>>96078269
>War has never left this corner of the world. The ancient city of Antioch was destroyed by a mysterious demonic weapon in the year 1545, but the Faithful never gave up their positions in the ruins. Despite the lethal demonic essence emanating from the crater that was left behind, the garrison held on, even as mighty Constantinople fell to the legions of Kimaris, Marquis of Hell.
>Before it was destroyed, the ancient city of Antioch was always the first line of defence to be put to test. Thus it is no wonder that in the year 1559 the Sword Congress of Vienna agreed to rebuild and fortify the city, and that a yearly tithe is to be sent to New Antioch by all the Faithful nations, though this levy is rarely in the form of coin. Instead, endless supply trains of foodstuffs, tools, ammunition, weaponry, machinery and skilled workers and engineers come from across Europa and the Mediterranean Sea, as well as the African dominions.

>>96076690
that's because they got THE warzone artist to do it.

there is an odd amount of people in this thread that sound weird.

>>96073573
>The game is proxy friendly.
you, get your fucking TCG fucking mentality out the fucking hobby,
it's a game like turnip28, it exists for CONVERSIONS
proxying is when some faggot MTG player scribbles "sephiroth" on a swamp for kitchn table magic.
if i take a bunch of ww2 scuplts, chop them up with weird war shit and religious iconography that's a CONVERSION
that's the fucking hobby.

also he has a point everything is Blanchitsu bullshit more or less, i live in agony that this shit took off, it's all aesthetics and Prinin re-writting mordhiem again.

Oh cool, the autist that shits his pants over the word proxy is still around.

>>96079228
Please put aside the culture war stuff for a second and actually reflect on your thoughts and feelings.

How can you listen to a person talk in a fake voice, especially a type of fake voice that is associated with being faggy, wimpy, soft, molestor-y, etc. and take them seriously?

I don't care if someone cured cancer, if they deigned to speak like that I still could not respect them or voluntarily listen to them.

It's like you're conducting a self-humiliation ritual.

>>96073687
>I'm in their discord serve
oh gee, how could i fucking tell?
dude there are so many people in this thread who write like they're not from here, yourself included
>whiny little baby
you can say slurs here, come on just say it with me:
F A G G O T
R E T A R D
N I G G E R

>>96079551
Nobody normal talks like this

>>96073272 (OP)
Because the setting isnt historical, its just using a historical event (or several) and historical inspired aesthetics as seen through the lens of the european memetic perception.

WW1 in the european cultural eye is brown dirty soldiers fighting miserable and pointless warfare in a wet hole in the ground in perpetuity, it is the senseless waste of lives by uncaring and borderline malicious commanders and basically 40k tier "pointless grimdark". The brave and the many being sent into the meat grinder to serve the whims of corrupt and isolated bureocrats and nobles.

You can argue this perception is not accurate to historical fact, but that doesent change the fact that blackadder goes forth has a much stronger grip on the perception of ww1 than your historical example of what uniforms looked like.

>does trench warfare make sense
Sure? Its a technological pastiche and some elements are more or less advanced than irl (also magic) but trench warfare is a fairly safe bet for "ways warfare can happen", it still happens irl right now and will probably continue to happen for a long time afterwards. It only didnt happen irl sooner because artillery and personal weapons werent quite good enough quite yet, but even then infantry were engaging in sniping contests between trenches during siege battles for a long time prior to that.

>>96079562
>man so autistic he doesn't understand social contexts
anon, i know you're new to this website,
but you don't get banned for saying things that you'd get banned for elsewhere.
you're allowed to disagree, to say rude things.
Retard.

>>96079607
Counterpoint: you've never had sex, and you've completely given up trying to

>>96076589
>>96076691
diff anon
anon, you're in a fucking multi post arguement about arch, you brought him up apropo of nothing.
anyone saying you have an unreasonable concern with him is his fan some how.
i don't like arch, but i am a data driven autist.
arch in 1 year has produced 5 videos on trench crusade, all of them appear to be his slop channel's LOOK AT THIS CONTROVERSY ON TWITTER responses, though one seems to the product of TC including him in a presentation.

I don't generally consider this overly focused, but i do know retards here will mention arch out of no where. he's a boogieman rather than being the fat mushmouthed retard that he actually is.
perhaps you could scrape the discord, see how many times he might have been mentioned (or alluded to) and divide it by active posters that will give us a sentiment.
it's definitely not solid because we need to know the rules formal and informal and see how many times it was deleted but it does reduce labour.

>>96079616
>your not normal
>you don't have sex
nigger i'm saying you don't talk like you're from around here.
nothing you're saying or how you're saying it is convincing.

>>96077677
>The cardinals like in >>96076690 look kino though, but you can also have a cardinal general in a regular Fantasy or renaissance setting that isn't depressive edgeslop.
Of course it's Paul fucking Bonner Kino is his thing

>>96073272 (OP)
>redditors join to make a grim derp wargame setting dedicated to showing their fanboy love of 40k and endless hatred of religion and drumpf
>"wtf bros why is this so dumb and shallow"

>>96079538
You replied to the wrong person, Anon.

>>96079538
>reddit spacing

>>96079646
I'm not. "Here" is bad. I visit to beat on acrid virgins whose skin stinks.

>>96079646
Amazing that your armour against "you don't have sex" is "of course not, none of us do," though.

>>96080300
i mean i do love how you're like
>NO NO I'M TOTALLY HERE BEING THE TRENCH CRUSADE DEFENCE FORCE BECAUSE I LIKE TO DUNK ON VIRGINS
yeah buddy.
nobody who knows who the fuck Arch is, is a normal fucking person.
you're just a fucking weirdo from discord, you're the wrong kind of weird.

you know what, post your trench crusade minis.

>>96079667
Source of picrel?

>>96080646
What the fuck is trench crusade?

I don't know anything about this shit, but I do like how basically everything about it seems to trigger faggots around here.

>>96081117
Warzone: the mutant chronicles, a kinda dead wargame/RPG series from the 90s.
it's had two attempted revivals (2013 and 2024) it's yet to be seen if 2024 is good, but Paul remains goated

>>96081169
See >>96073272 (OP)
minis sir, i need your minis to allow entry into this argument.

Arch and the chudhammer fanbase are still utterly SEETHING they were gatekept and now ruin every thread about trench crusade here

>>96081560
SAAR, SAAR, WHERE ARE YOUR MINIS SAAR?
PLEASE BE OF REDEEMING YOUR MINIS RIGHT NOW SAAR.

>>96081560
You built an entire alternative to a hobby you ruined just to cope with the fact that you were never a real fan and will never be a real woman and we're the ones seething? Lmao.

>>96073272 (OP)
Trench Crusade owes its entire existence to something it hates and it will never be able to escape from it and its fans will never be anything but miserable troons and shills.

>Discord gayops raid
It is summer after all...

>>96073287 here
I told you all and I am proven correct. They can’t help themselves.
I hope that actual tc players aren’t like this in real life. If they are then change and growth is in order.

>>96083889
of course you're proven right
everything would prove you right in your mind
doesn't matter that you were the first to reply to this thread and the first to start flinging shit, you fags never smell your own no matter how much you love wallowing in it

>>96073687
>”yeah that’s not true at all”
>”im in their discord server”
>acts like a no games subhuman sperg
Yep it’s trench crusade time

What boggles my brain about TC is that there were enough people out there who sincerely thought Warhammer wasn't edgy and anti-religion enough that they made an entire setting of their own to compensate.

>>96081560
I hate A*ch AND his group and the TC troons. They are literally 2 sides of the same coin

>>96083039
To be fair, people have been sperging out over Trench Crusade long before it was summer.

>>96073287
I have a small army for trench crusade 700 ducets heretics. Is the irl community shit?

>>96077611
The map killed the fluff for me.

>>96079132
>TTRPG based on abrahamic lore (already a retarded lore)
>it doesn't make any sense
How did you not see this coming?

>>96081520
Thanks anon.

What is the lore about? How good are the factions (goals, motives, weaponry)?

>>96084238
The people behind it were always mad at how GW often tended to ignore satire over the years so they wanted to make their own grimdark setting that calls out le freakin chuds!!

>>96085132
what irl community? you'll only get to play this game with another person in a handful of areas, and that person will most certainly be terminally online.

>>96081560
how do you gatekeep someone from a game you can just buy and play? can you explain what you are referring to, I keep seeing you bring it up..

>>96081560
>gatekept
>nah I don't want to play your shit game
>HAHA WE GATEKEPT YOU
Nah.

>>96087319
I mean didn't he though? He cummed his pants about it then got cyberbullied by a tranny and decided it was the worstest game ever. Ultimately it's just kind of mediocre desu~.

>>96088594
>Hey I think this game looks cool
>[the community is overrun by insufferable cunts]
>nevermind actually

>>96085132
The irl communities often are a stark contrast to the online communities.
Often if the community is full of assholes online the irl community is chill.
Except warmahordes that tabletop game community was shot through terrible.

>>96093350
Have you seen the guys that want to "gatekeep warhammer"? That's exactly what it looks lile from the outside.

>>96087176
Here's the thing: Warzone kind of sucks lorewise. There was the TTRPG (Mutant Chronicles) and the boardgame (Siege of the Citadel) and other spinoffs besides. And they all explore different times and periods of the setting.

Short version: humanity takes to the solar system after depleting most of Earth's resources, builds colonies on the planets as a handful of megacorps replace governments, wakes up alien space demons on Pluto, they spread throughout the system causing problems, a mystical group of monks rises up and keeps the demons in check, and then there's war between the megacorps which eventually wake up the demons and they join in.

It'd be fine in and of itself, but it exists in the shadow of W40k, and W40k honestly has more and better lore. But it comes down to taste really; I don't like a bunch of human megacorps versus space Necromancers as my faction choices.

I will say though, that the MC TTRPG handles a certain "street level cyberpunk horror noir in the not too distant future" a bit better than any W40k TTRPG simply because that's MC's sole focus. You want lore, the TTRPG is well worth checking out.

>TC shitpost thread
The mods have been doing such a good job banhammering trolls in the actual thread that you need to make extra threads to shitpost.
For a change, MODS = GODS.

>>96076766
>The holy space program sends supplies its greatest bastion like mana from heaven.
Well if it isn't cannon its for sure head cannon now.

Also that map makes me think god loves muslims a lot.

Reminder that /ourguy/ Westside Tyler schooled the nazi lolcow Arch. I would be too embarrassed to show my face in trench crusade threads if I were Arch fan

>>96096240
It’s weird that antics on 40kg (I go there to laugh at 40keks) go unheeded and yet jannies move like they’re being paid on the trench general at much smaller stuff.

>>96098788
>/ourguy/
>using /pol/ terminology
Hey man you had a slip and now any sane person knows you’re actually a polchud larping as a bad lefty.
Please change and grow as a person. You can start by letting your bigotry go.

>>96098788
>Shits his pants over the word "niggling"
Sure

>>96098836
You protect the territory you own.
/40kg/ had been lost ground.