Thread 96074061

To those who know nothing about The Wheel of Time, thoughts on this?

>>96074061 (OP)
Guy on the left is incredibly out of place here.

Plus the girl in blue should be in a castle, not a forest.

I only know one thing about the wheel of time.
And that one thing is that this picture only has one woman tugging on a braid, and that's not NEARLY enough.

>>96074077
>woman tugging on braid
Why is this so erotic?

This shit had a lot of BDSM in it

>>96074061 (OP)
Why are the dudes so fucking big holy shit? Looks mostly cool except for the furries

>>96074592
>Rand is 6'5"-6'6" 195/198 cm in our terms, according to Robert Jordan himself.

The protag is the size of a basketballoid. One of the others is from a family of blacksmiths.

Also, the women are diminutive (which is hot.)

>>96074061 (OP)
overly inflated cast.

>>96074061 (OP)
I can't believe they got Beast from Beauty and the Beast to cameo.

>>96074061 (OP)
I've read the first book. Absolute shit drivel.

>>96074061 (OP)
soulless

>>96074666
I agree with Satan. Extremely overrated book series.

Instead of drawing the women as short and the men as tall, the artist has drawn them all of about the same height but then scaled the women down, it's very bizzare and I do not like it

>>96074061 (OP)
Are the men really tall, or the women really short, or both?

Also the blue woman and the bigger monster dude are both definitely wizards.

>>96074061 (OP)
Wtf, Perrin's axe is definitely one-handed. And why is Elder Haman there?

>>96074061 (OP)
the patchwork guy looks cool, I guess. The others look very generic

>>96074061 (OP)
looks pretty gay

>>96074077
They should be boxing the men's ears as well!

>>96074061 (OP)
I like it, especially the designs of the giants.

>>96074061 (OP)
I feel one of the tall guys on the back are always holding in farts.

>>96074061 (OP)
Well, I know nothing about the Wheel of Time, so I have no thoughts on it.

>>96075427
I like to think the womenfolk are also full of farts.

>>96075405
I like how the giants are depicted very differently depending on the artist.

>>96074072
>Guy on the left is incredibly out of place here.
I know nothing about the Wheel of Time except that it has a harem in it, but isn't that dude just a busker of some sort? Gaudy, colorful outfit+instrument would be a fairly traditional look for one.

>>96075739
He's introduced as a sort of travelling bard. The cloak of many patches is kind of an invention of the author's, I think, but colorful bards are certainly not new.

Also, it's kind of nice to see clothing in different colors. The modern mind imagines only grey and brown for some reason.

>>96074061 (OP)
I know who most of the humans are supposed to be, which makes it immediately truer to the source material than the Amazon Prime show.

The giants aren't how I pictured them in my head, but the only fact I can actually remember about them, beyond being giant pacifistic pussies (except for the ones who come from the evil empire !King Arthur founded across the sea) is that they had big ears.

I'm not sure who the cape guy is. I thought at first he was the evil peddler who stabs Rand with an evil dagger and causes a wound that never heals, but after the thread I'm not sure.

>>96074937
Both.

>>96076058
>I'm not sure who the cape guy is.
I'm thinking it's Thom Merrilin.

>>96076068
1000% it's Thom Merrilin. He has the moustaches!

>>96075788
Eh, bard, busker, same shit.

>>96074061 (OP)
Moraine's too tall

>>96074666
>>96074875
The only good parts of the books are when Rand is having his sctizo moments, which doesn't really start becoming a thing till book 3.

>>96074061 (OP)
this artist fucking failed his anatomic ratios class

>>96076322
was also the only good part of the show

>>96074666
nice try Shaitan

>>96076322
ILYEEEENNNNAAAAA!

>>96074061 (OP)
>Every woman is 5ft or shorter
Disgusting and boring

>>96076723
Just those 3. Plenty of very tall women in the series.

>>96074061 (OP)
weird that cloak-guy managed an entire cloak of colourful prints, but noone else seems to wear any prints except cloak guy's weird tie-dyed cloak. if noone wears those patterns, how did he find so many?

>>96076746
All of the Aiel are like gigantic redheads aren't they? And most borderlanders iirc are tall as fuck.

>>96076929
With the exception of the giants, the dude with the dark long hair and head band with the sword, and the woman in blue, all of the characters are peasants from a relatively remote village.

The guy with the headband is a designated grouch, and the woman in blue is a color-coded witch, so they have aesthetic restrictions.

The dude with the cloak is a traveler whose livelihood is tied to his gimmick. He's also like the only character who does this.

>>96074061 (OP)
ngl, I've somehow memory-holed Egwene so hard that I was staring at the pic for way too long going "okay, there's Nynaeve and Moraine, who the fuck is that third chick". Got the dudes and the other 2 instantly, but i was sitting there for a solid 20 seconds before she clicked

>>96076962
Some are giant blondes.

They're not giant. IIRC the average woman is the height of a man, which means like 5'9" or 5'10" I guess.

>>96076929
Color-patch cloak guy is a gleeman, which is a traveling entertainer. They wear cloaks made of a bunch of different-colored patches to advertise their status.

>>96076962
Aiel are typically head and shoulders taller than most Randlanders, and iirc a lot of Borderlanders were a bit taller than the average southern Randlander, with some notable exceptions

>>96074061 (OP)
I don't know anything about it but I looked up the page count of the first volume and saw it was also only part ONE of like 15 and decided I don't want to read it.

>>96077671
They split the books in my country, so they are much more approachable for young people.
I pity those who have issues with literary-grade English and read 25 books only to realize that the final three still haven't been translated and probably never will.

>>96074666
One of the worst fantasy books I've read naturally making it one of the worst books I read ever
maybe it gets better but after reading the clusterfuck that was the eye of the world I just can't be bothered

>>96074072
Thom Merrilin, Once court gleeman to the court of Caemlyn and probably one of Queen Morgase Trakand's (Elayne's mother) lovers, and later in the books he assassinates a king

>>96074061 (OP)
Looks like boring modern fantasy. I'm taking the size variations with a grain of salt assuming it's the artist's failure.
But, the 'problems' I see are as follows:
>dull drab colors except the one guy who's as flamboyant as possible and the witch
>all very clean looking and no armor other than maybe a gambeson on mister erectile disfunction sword, yet many have weapons of war, so probably some inconsistences or childish handling of violence
>massive furry dudes are simply too large, civilizations would be incompatible
>not one but TWO noncombatant women in the main group, who also look like peasants not political figures or something; probably dragging their wives with them lmao wtf

Overall I'd assume it's aimed at a very young audience, YA at the oldest, and is full of cliches with very little interesting world building but a competently executed hero's journey. If I saw a kid or teenager reading it I'd think nothing of it, if I saw an adult doing so I'd think a little less of them but not meaningfully, and if someone wanted to have a serious discussion about it I'd want to get the fuck out of there.
Just cheap fiction to pass the time; nothing actually shameful but something you probably should be a little embarrassed to talk about, just because it implies you didn't do anything better with that time.

>>96075739
Yeah, they have some cutesy name for it like Gleeman, the guy himself serves as a sort of mentor to the protagonists for a while, like Obi Wan Kenobi if he were also David Bowie.

>>96074666
Only thing I liked were the trollocs, but those are just broo without rape.

>>96074061 (OP)
Who tf is the old ogier?

>>96078329
all three women in that picture are extremely powerful magic users, with the one in the middle the most powerful of the three

>>96074061 (OP)
Looks like generic slop besides the giant dudes. I'd assume it was a 5e party if not for the lack of freakshit instead of it being almost all humans.

>>96074061 (OP)
It's hard to take women seriously, especially when they look like hobbits.

>>96074061 (OP)
Distinct lack of armor, cringe

>>96078656
It's funny how much coping there is over this setting being blatant girl power agitprop

>>96074061 (OP)
That's a really good Moirenne. Captures that slightly uncanny look really well

>>96076322
Perrin becoming Theoden and Mat doing practically anything after he got his shit together were also fun

>>96078329
>little interesting world building
The world-building is arguably the best part of the series--everything from distinct nations with histories to the magic system, though I guess that doesn't exactly come through in the art.

>>96074077
No, Nynaeve is the only woman who tugs on her braid in the book. It's her personal tic / tell. The real problem is that some fucking idiot just used a clumsy resize of the whole figure so the characters in the image are hilariously out of scale with each other, with Moiraine's head being literally half the size of Lan's and it looks fucking stupid as fuck there are no women smoothing their skirts or babbling some kind of heinous misandry.

>>96075788
>The cloak of many patches is kind of an invention of the author's, I think,
No, it's a reference to the cloak of many colors in the bible. And it's not the only bible reference in the series, because the plot is not-so-subtle about being an allegory for an eternal and immutable cycle of human history / human nature.

>>96076975
The Aes Sedai are not really witch-coded. They're sorceress-coded. Extremely wealthy, privileged, feared and respected sorceresses who literally run the entire known world.

>>96078329
Modern fantasy only became a thing after and because of the Wheel Of Time. So you will just have to forgive it for being so archetypical because it literally established those tropes.

>>96079950
>And it's not the only bible reference in the series, because the plot is not-so-subtle about being an allegory for an eternal and immutable cycle of human history / human nature.
This is a weird statement, since the Biblical religions decisively broke with cyclic time, positing a beginning and end to the world, a concept which the pagans thought incomprehensible.

>>96079963
>Aes Sedai organization is based on the way convents were organized between 1000 and 1800 AD. (RJ) Also, the Aes Sedai seem to have an "ecclesiastical" hierarchy, with the Hall of the Tower and the Amyrlin Seat being similar in nature to the College of Cardinals and the Pope.

Makes you think...

>>96080012
That's bull, both creation and apocalypse myths were highly prevalent well before christians or jews.

>>96080055
Yes, but it was cyclical destruction and creation.
With the "religions of the book", you get a first beginning and a final end.

>>96080012
Well. No. Maybe you shouldn't talk about things when you don't know anything about them. And take it from someone who does know: there are far more interesting, important and relevant things to know a lot about than fucking religion.

But that's not really what I meant, either. I mean that the Wheel Of Time plot is intended to be a universal commentary on human nature an illustration of the constant symbols of history. It's a myth, in other words. And so it is obviously unavoidable that it resembles other myths (like the bible) in general, but it was Jordan's specific and conscious intention that this fact be emphasized through highly specific referential details.

>>96080032
It does not make anyone think because it was spelled out so bluntly and directly that only a fucking MORON would miss it - and such a creature isn't capable of thought.

>>96080061
Which book are you talking about? Because you can't mean the Wheel Of Time since the first opening paragraph of each book explicitly states that there are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the wheel of time... Like. In that specific phrasing.

>>96080077
>but it was Jordan's specific and conscious intention that this fact be emphasized through highly specific referential details

By using the specific detail of the yin/yang symbol, he was making a point on the universality of human nature? What?

I think it's more likely that he used various inspirations in putting together a rich world informed by human history. There's a philosophical core to the syncretic project, but it touches on a lot more than just human nature.

>>96080092
I'm saying the world of the Wheel of Time is at odds with the Abrahamic religions (religions of the book), because it is cyclical. I probably shouldn't have used that expression lol.

>>96080118
I'm finding it pretty disturbing that you have apparently never heard the phrase "those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it". Shut. The fucking fuck up. Now.

>>96080129
That's just a platitude though?
The tragedy of the Wheel stories, is that the characters are doomed even if they know what's coming. Many of the important characters DO know history.

>>96080126
I don't really care about what Christians think, but it wasn't an accident that the big bad evil entity trapped in a prison beyond reality is named Shaitan, for one example. If you're really attached to Christian narrative / dogma, what are you doing on 4chan? If you're an adult, though, then it should be difficult to understand how these universal principles of struggle against fear, suffering and death are things discussed by all religions. By necessity. Because literally what the fuck else would a religion even be about?

The conclusions of any particular religion of real world Earth have nothing to do with the Wheel Of Time's commentary about the fact that fear, suffering and death (etc.) (and the heroic struggles against such darkness) are eternal and profoundly innate experiences of humans.

>>96080139
You're beginning to approach a secondary layer to the philosophy of the setting's design: the conflict between fatalism and free will. There's a phrase in the books when characters are feeling fatalistic, they say "the Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills" - meaning that the "Pattern" of reality (including its history) is determined by an abstract principle without regard to mortal desire or the illusion of choice. Do the characters *actually feel like* they have no choices?

Well. What would that even look like? What would it mean to feel like you had no choice about your existence?

Ask a Christian what it means if Yahweh is omniscient and omnipotent...

But more to the point, although the setting and its description in the books is fairly consistent... that description in the books still gives small hints in various ways that history does not repeat *exactly*. Yes, there are moments when philosophers comment that each turning is different in minor detail and that it's really only the reincarnated souls themselves (and thus their actions as driven by their personal desires) which repeat... but that each turning is different in ways that matter. For example, when Rand al'Thor was last alive, he was called Lews Therin Telamon... and civilization / technology was radically advanced by comparison. And the Dark One's prison had not yet been cracked open by Aes Sedai meddling...

That's a pretty big fucking difference there. And so it's not really clear how large the cycles are or whether a given soul is only incarnated once in each cycle. So what would that mean...? You can think about that a little more.

>>96080139
You don't even know what that word means.

>>96074061 (OP)
>bard
>3 warriors
>2 spellcasters, wizard and druid?
>ranger?
>2 peasant girls plus big guy are out of place

The party lacks balance, and possibly a cleric and rogue - unless one of the girls is a cleric, and the big guy could be thief, it would be funny to watch him pickpocket somebody.
The wizard woman in blue looks like DMPC.
One of the peasant girls should die early in the campaign, to make for nice revenge plot.

>>96079963
I think you misunderstood me.

I call her color-coded because the Ajahs are all different colours. Off the top of my head I remember red, green, and black (the secret evil one), and I'm calling her a witch because all of the Aes Sedai were professional bitches.

>>96080086
I missed it because I read it as a fucking teenager and I didn't know shit about the Catholic church beyond that they molested little boys, like a normal person and not a fucking autist.

>>96081161
>I didn't know shit about the Catholic church beyond that they molested little boys
That's the homosexuals in the Church. It's kind of like the Black Ajah or whatever.

>>96074666
I DEFY YOU, SHAI'TAN

>>96075788
Damn yellow must have been really unfashionable.

>first three volumes generic nothing
>some interesting happens but then it's followed by several books of filler
>ending written by another even more inferior author
Aside from Mat's interactions (before Sanderson who can't write wit and nuanced characters to save his life) the only real long-term joy of the series was to see the misandrist women get smacked down near the end. (Rand's main saving grace)
Nowhere near as hard and as often as they deserved though and more often than not you have to endure entire books of them being utter bitches before seeing anyone, usually another woman, telling them only they get to be misandrist not them.
So many of the interesting plot bits introduced like the Asha'man tower intrigues amounted to nothing and their only resolution was a few dudes becoming subservient/relationship subservient to a bunch of Aes Sedai in the end.

>>96077967
You must not read very much, because I can think of quite a few fantasy books worse than any of the Wheel of Time books without even really thinking very hard. Like, most of Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms novels, for starters. Or anything written by Terry Goodkind - well, okay, I haven't read most of the books by Terry Goodkind due to the ones I tried really putting me off his work, so maybe that's not literally true, but at the very least Goodkind definitely wrote some books significantly worse than WoT.

>>96081345
You lack the moral clarity to kick a child in the mouth and it shows, anon.

>>96074061 (OP)
My guesses from left to right, relying on D&D brainrot for the tropes.
Bard of quality, likely a hero of generations past
Farmboy turned Fighter, probably a POV character or chosen one.
Random female NPC, farmboy's girlfriends, eventually learns magic.
Same as above but somehow both far more bland while trying to be a fiery spitfire. Attempts to cuck the blue one.
Aragorn. Literally just Aragorn.
Aragorn's wife, and the wizard who teaches tghe girls magic.
Other random farmboys they pickup, retainers who eventually become main characters; a Fighter and Rogue.
Then in the back a pair of, somethings? They're like 5E firbolgs but far less gay. One looks like a noble and the other a druid or wizard.

>>96074061 (OP)
Rand was the best part of that series, both Perrin and Mat turned henpecked while Rand went off committing mass murder sprees and with a harem

>>96078329
All of your points are addressed within the first half of the first book. All of them except the giants within the first few chapters.

>>96080546
>The wizard woman in blue looks like DMPC.

Well-spotted.

Thwre are actually 4 magic-users in that picture!

>>96081324
>>96081324
Hard and expensive to make, and faded quickly.

Red (madder) and blue (indigo and woad) were relatively cheap and widespread.

>>96081345
>You must not read very much [fantasy]
duh...
why the fuck would I waste time on slop?
naturally I only went in for the most recommended
>Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms
I haven't read entire series but what I did read is about one head above eye of the world

>>96077206
Wich was extra funny because the cairhien were extra manlets and the first to fall to teh Aiel.

Looks like AI slop.

>>96074061 (OP)
I haven't read those novels in 20 years, but I instantly recognize the characters. So yeah: that's pretty good.

>>96081895
>Lords of Chaos
Ain't got shit on Zelazny.

>>96081804
You're either lying to get a rise out of somebody, or you're irreparably brain-rotted.

>>96081931
Him dying before releasing the third series hurts me to my core.

>>96082483
nta but the art is completely devoid of soul

>>96081454
Try reading the OP before replying next time.

>>96076975
Fair enough then

>>96074061 (OP)
what the fuck is going on with those proportions?

>>96082613
Yes, but anyone who knows anything about digital illustration can see that it was drawn by a human..

>>96083913
So at the most generous maybe 5%, but likely 1% or less of people?

>>96082613
Can you imagine what you people sound like if you actually spoke like this out loud, to other human beings? Pathetic, babbling little babies. Use your words, big guy. Think of your complaints and articulate them.

>>96083926
That's depressing.

>>96083987
Why? It's a niche hobby with limited appeal. Most people haven't practiced picking reeds and weaving baskets from them either, but it's an equally valid artistic pursuit. Do you find that depressing?

>>96083997
If you consume and share are online, you should know enough to tell the difference between bland art made by a boring artist and AI slop.

>>96081324
>>96081500
Yellow was fucking LOVED in Medieval Ireland, but that's because they had Weld, & later saffron too. Like all dyes it depends on what's nearby. Some places just have plants that produce ugly colours.

>>96084029
Okay, and?
There's now more than 100 posts in this thread. It's on an image board, and there's only 6 images. Only the OP has one that could be considered to be used as art, digital or otherwise. It's clear most people don't consume and share art online either.
You live in a bubble, and are clearly ignorant about how common your hobby is. Most people don't care. Your interest isn't special, or interesting, or better. If anything, some boomer watching his negroball team play sportsball is more justified than you, since there are more people that seem to find that fun.

>>96079496
Except the girls have left the setting in such a shit state that their own organization is 25% secret satanists.

>>96084234
Also it's not "girl power" so much as "dare you enter my magic realm." These novels don't promote women--they fetishize them.

>>96074061 (OP)
The characters look like they've been drawn from different perspectives, especially the one in the middle. The artist also lacks an understanding of how anatomy changes at different sizes. I assume he just drew every character seperately, shopped them together and scaled the pictures up and down according to the height of the characters. Those are mistakes I expect an AI to make. An artist at this level should know better. Also the background is boring and uninspired.

The character design is cool though. I like the giants.

>>96084255
>These novels don't promote women--they fetishize them.
Why do so many women love these characters?

>>96087982
If you read a novel fetishizing brown-eyed men, and you had brown eyes, tell me you wouldn't feel good every time you read about it.

>>96081154
You're really fucking bad at that whole pedantic semantics game to make yourself seem reasonable after you get called out on your bullshit. Like, really fucking bad at it.

>>96081161
Why Catholic? That's so specific, it's like you don't know there are so many flavors of that religion. Which isn't really possible for anyone over the age of 12. And the alternative is that you're trolling because you think the anon is Catholic, which is a bizarre assumption to leap to.

>>96088253
>You're really fucking bad at that whole pedantic semantics game to make yourself seem reasonable after you get called out on your bullshit. Like, really fucking bad at it.
Nta, but I think you've picked up something someone else said and intentionally misinterpretted it so that you could be angry on the internet because you're a pathetic little bitch.

>>96080546
Thom is a bard, yes. The farmboy on the far right is Mat who is a rogue. The farmgirl with the braid is a healer. The tall man with the headband is a knight. The bulky muscular farmboy is a berserker. The red-head tall farmboy is a spellblade. All three farmboys have Chosen One powers literally as a plot point. The other farmgirl is an uber-prodigy savant with magic. The noblewoman in blue is the wise, experienced wizard who comes to the village to kick off the plot with her knight escort, and she does die in the campaign to make for a bit of angst and character development for the red-headed chosen one, but I don't think it quite rises to the level of a revenge plot. The two shaggy giants in the background are not particularly relevant to the plot in any way and are definitely out of place in a setting that is otherwise devoid of humans (or human-derived mutants / darkspawn creations). They kind of disappear after a few books because, again, they're irrelevant.

>>96083967
Bitch I would POUNCE on the chance to scream in a soulless loser's face how much of a soulless loser they are, it's the only way this homogenized media rot ends

>>96088115
So you admit treating a group as unequivocally superior is not oppression?

>>96081161
There are way, waaaay more profesor, sport managers, rabis or mulah molesting kids than catholic priests. It's horrible, a frigin trust breaking shit, but just go to any middle eastern country like pakistan or look where do pedos fly to...

>>96088416
>So you admit treating a group as unequivocally superior is not oppression?
Jesus you're fucking stupid. Go find someone dumber than yourself to try to strawman.

>>96088416
>Bitch I would POUNCE on the chance to scream in a soulless loser's face how much of a soulless loser they are, it's the only way this homogenized media rot ends
Yep anon. Keep regurgitating stale internet memes. It makes you sound smart and informed and has an impact on the world.

>>96088284
Read the reply chain dingus.

>>96088427
A fair point, but I didn't know about any of that as a teenager reading Wheel of Time and missing the knowledge of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church that every human being except me had at that age.

>>96088480
I can smell the beta male tears as you typed this projecting cope

>>96088533
Shut up smart ass LOL you're so irony poisoned by millennial writing that you can't handle sincerity

>>96074061 (OP)
Flag dude is fucking awesome. Size difference between dudes and chicks is weird. Mage giant guy is cool, second giant guy is just a Mr. Beast from Beauty & the Beast cartoon.

>>96074061 (OP)
Freakshit races are rarely justified in settings and can almost always be replaced by humans with no change to the narrative.

>>96074061 (OP)
An acceptable amount of whiteness.

>>96074061 (OP)
What is Carrot doing there?

>>96090856
Anon, I didn't need to know that you enjoy abusive relationships.

>>96074061 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>96089931
Millennials are the generation who craved sincerity and sensitivity, so they attempted to get rid of superficiality at every opportunity. And they did this because Boomers and GenX before them had poisoned everything with that vapidity and superficiality, which smothered and prevented real connection and authenticity. GenX in particular is terrified of authentic vulnerability. Zoomers are brainrotted so severely they literally CANNOT feel human emotions. They're just cartoons of children even now that they're in their 20s, spreading mind virus spongebob memes. They've degenerated so far they literally communicate by hieroglyphics... because god forbid they encounter a full sentence that might mean something.

>>96074061 (OP)
Freakshit

>>96089329
Did you read the reply chain? No. You didn't.

>>96084057
>You live in a bubble
I'm pretty sure you're the one who does, kiddo. Most people aren't keen on AI.

>>96093867
NTA but the only people scared of AI are people who don't understand it or what it is. That causes them to attribute various forms of infinite evil to it.
But you don't have to be terrified of the unknown, anon, you can learn. You just have to choose to do so.

>>96093873
Do you have any proof to defend that claim, or are you just being confidently wrong? Everyone who knows anything about how Generative AI works but isn't profiting off of it absolutely hates it.

>>96093880
>no u!
Fuck off, little boy. You're the same one who keeps popping up showing how underage you are. I know it's a blue board, but you are still supposed to be 18 or older to be on 4chan at all.

>>96074061 (OP)
Looks like some gay furry late medieval fantasy opera, thats a hard pass for me.

>>96093867
>Most people aren't keen on AI.
Source?
>56% of people who have encountered AI-generated art reported enjoying it.
Seems like it has the majority.
https://artsmart.ai/blog/ai-image-generator-market-statistics/
https://www.aiprm.com/ai-art-statistics/

>>96074666
Ok Jalapeno horns, what are you reading in Hell and actually enjoying?

>>96094034
why would anyone trust an AI survey put out by an AI company

>>96094034
Anecdotally I went to Germany recently and had a lovely time using Chat GDP to translate for me without issue. It even got inflection right, which I didn't think it would.

>>96094034
>AI-PR
The pie chart was probably generated by an AI.

Why did rand get rid of Callandor again?

>>96074061 (OP)
>brag about how diverse their series is
>put all the pride flags on one guy
Amazon is such a shit company. I will never trust any story they invent.

>>96077958
I don't really have a problem with a long book but what I dislike is bloat. I don't like writers who can't get to a point. Lord of the rings in it's entirety is only around 1200 pages. 1500 odd if you count The Hobbit. I just don't want to get into something that's not gonna pay out.

>>96094162
Callandor doesn't have the same safeties as other angreal or sa'angreal in the series, so while giving him massive power, it will also flood him with more the taint on Saidin

>>96094184
Oh. And I don want to add that I have read Robert Jordan's Conan stories and I can't really say that I was a fan of his style.

>>96094061
>>96094131
kek, when presented evidence of your bubble your response is fucking denial? So it's delusion, not ignorance then.

>>96094184
Robert Jordan was extremely fortunate to have secured a contract to write a long series. It was literally how he paid his rent and medical bills. He had a direct incentive to stretch things out over a dozen books.

One day when you grow up you're gonna understand a lot more about the world, and one those realizations is gonna be about money and rent.

>>96094214
Sorry anon, when your product is SO UNRELIABLE that even being associated with it means you aren't to be trusted, you should perhaps consider why it's so flawed.
There's a reason that all the companies that try to use AI can't actually make profit, and rely entirely on investorbux.

>>96074061 (OP)
The biggest issue with The Wheel of Time is that there are way better versions of it out there that came long before and after it was published. Want the best epic fantasy? LOTR. Want a story where the protagonist goes insane from his power and doesn't pull its punches at the last minute? Dune. Want political drama? ASOIAF. Want a long-ass adventure series that has gone on for just as long if not longer? One Piece.

It occupied a niche back in the 90s as essentially being the LOTR films before we got the LOTR films but now we actually have those and many other fantasy works that have much more compelling hooks and stories so what we're left with a generic and bloated novel series that probably should have been condensed down to just three novels so it could solely focus on its own most interesting ideas and elements.
It's like the prison food of fantasy, it's best binged and enjoyed when you're locked in solitary confinement and have absolutely nothing better to do.

Was Nynaeve "on the rag"?

>>96098496
Every woman was in that damn book series.

>>96078200
>gleeman
Ahh, so a faggot.

>>96095121
LOTR is not epic fantasy, though. It was a primary entry in a myth cycle. WoT is not epic fantasy, either, it's sword-and-sorcery.

If you don't know the meanings of terms, you shouldn't comment about them.

>>96098664
>WoT is sword and sorcery
Wat.

>>96095001
I was talking to a friend about this subject when he was trying to recommend me some Sanderson stuff. He argued that it was impressive that he can put so many books out so fast but I can't help but think of that old quote "If I had more time I would have written a shorter letter" and that if people like him weren't rushing to get a book DONE so he can start the next one he might actually be able to fine tune it and not have it be a door stop.

>>96098664
>If you don't know the meanings of terms, you shouldn't comment about them.

You don't the meanings yourself. So cork it.

>>96075087
He's the cool old mentor character who you don't get to read about most of the time because you're instead forced to read about the petty nonsense going on in a tower filled with nothing but catty wizard bitches who think they're too good for regular society and who upon getting kicked out of said tower still act like catty bitches because chicks cannot fucking handle not having a goddamn pecking order even when they're literal fucking refugees relying on the goodwill of a dude who's too old for this shit to help get them an army. God, I hate aes sedai with every fibre of my being.

>>96079496
Half the books is showing in excruciating detail that leaving women to their own devices only leads to misery and a bunch of dead people.

Why didn't elaine and nynaeve warn mat that the forsaken was in the city again?

>>96081447
Rand post box just wasn't the same, and he was already fucking loco before that.

>>96090856
Nah, she's an annoying cunt and Perrin became a worse person for loving her. Watching blacksmith man become a husk of his former self in real time wasn't fun.

>>96094184
That's absolutely Robert Jordan. I never finished the series because I got to one book that was just fucking full of nothing of note except for one event.

Granted it was really important, but it was 800 pages of which maybe 50 were important and the rest was a great big fucking nothingburger.

>>96095001
>He had a direct incentive to stretch things out over a dozen books.

NTA. I don't begrudge him making money and making the story longer, I begrudge him making it fucking boring. And even if he had shortened the series so that he actually finished it in his lifetime, there's tons of spinoffs he could've written. WoT was big and if he were still alive he could still print money with it.

>>96094162
Because it's kinda like holding a stick of radioactive material, it might fill you with unlimited power but it will also fuck you up in the process.

>>96095121
Fuck off, I'd sooner reread the boring middle books of WotL than touch a single SoIaF book ever again.

I normally don't care to much about authors personal lives but, was Robert Jordan abused by women growing up?

>>96100330
He just wrote about the women he knew, which is scarier than anything in his books.

>>96100273
Because they're straight up fucking raging thunder cunts?

>>96100330
>>96100338
He's literally gone on record saying all the female characters in the series are based on his wife

>>96100942
Even Min? What did he mean by this?

>>96100252
What consequences do they actually face? None. It's only the men who ever get heaped with endless torture and punishment.

>>96101172
People point out how obviously retarded there decisions are and then they feel bad.

>>96101405
That "feel bad" is fucking mindshattering to them because they're so used to being top bitches that not being at the top just breaks them.

>>96101172
Honestly that's the most realistic part of the story. "Men subjected to millennia of torture and death, women most effected"

>>96074902
yeah this

>>96102994
Well, maybe for the last fifty years or so anyway. Literally can't even talk about the half a million men maimed, raped or dead in Ukraine without some absolute cavern chiming in with whataboutduhwimminz and cuntsplaining all about how women are actually the real victims of war... I'm sure I don't need to belabor the gender wars for this particular audience.
Wheel Of Time's peculiar gender dynamics was a major conceit of the plot, though, and from what I understand it was the specific influence of Jordan's wife that set it up that way. Like he collaborated with her in designing the setting and she went out of her way to make it like that.
Which is part of the reason all the women are identical to each other and they're super fabulous magical geniuses while all the men are mundane non-magical clods who just sort of mope around doing nothing in particular and moaning about how the women are just using them. (What for, exactly, is never really clear since none of the non-magical men accomplish ANY fucking thing whatsoever...)

>>96094047
Mostly the classics to see what all the fuzz is about.
Just finished A Princess of Mars. Pretty good, if a bit stilted in places.
Currently reading the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser compilation and enjoying it immensely.

>>96074061 (OP)
The proportions are as shit as Jordan's grasp on pacing.

>>96074061 (OP)
Dropped this series as soon as Nynaeve became a POV character, I fucking hated that stupid bitch.

>>96074061 (OP)
Are the three males in the middle meant to be different species from the three females? Because otherwise the height difference being this big and being the same is pretty ridiculous. Like the jib of the handkerchief old man.

>>96101109
His wife is a hot, anal loving, big titty, nag, who looks erotic in pants, calve worshipping, submissive firebrand, who tugs on her braid and folds her arms under her breasts, and would be fine sharing him with other women. Obviously.

>>96100330
I can understand people thinking this based on the first few books.
But every singe female character, besides Egwene, gets either cock tamed or chills out once wifed up. And Egwene is portrayed as being the stupid and stubborn one for not chilling out.
Hell the entire Red Ajah, the sorceresses entirely founded on man hating, is destroyed utterly and everyone considers it a good thing. Their leader turned into a literal leashed slave petplay girl.

>>96104311
Yeah but who gives a shit about either the men or the women when its russian slavs killing pseudo russian slavs and vice versa.

>>96105214
Mostly artist failing
But Rand, the tall human on the left is supposed to be exceptionally tall. Next human is a Borderlander, who is supposed to be taller than average, and the next human is a blacksmith.
The woman in blue is supposed to be exceptionally short and petite.
But the other two women are supposed to be average, and I think Nynaeve, the middle girl is supposed to be taller than average too?

>>96104311
>Read two books and gave up, then comments about the series as a whole
The major conceit of the plot is that women are awful nags and can't achieve anything of actual importance without a man around to stop her from being a conniving cunt. And men are awful pouters without an ounce of subtlety unless a woman is around to coach him.
Its about the two sexes being utterly worthless without their opposite.
Every awful naggy women presented in the first few books gets tamed and made better when they finally start listening to a man. The main reason the world is on the brink of being destroyed by not!Satan is because evil women have made it their job to kill any men that can use magic for the better part of a thousand years, and a big turning point of the books is when Rand kills literally all of them. The only exception to the rule of women getting tamed by getting a husband is Egwene, who is portrayed as being an irrational, stubborn bitch for refusing the advice of men.

Every time I read someone complaining about WoT because of the women I know either they haven't read the whole thing, or they're one of those grumpy retards who sees persecution of himself, which blinds them to everything else.

>>96105214
The redheaded human and the one with the long brown hair are different ethnicities, and the dude with the ax and bow are ostensibly the same ethnicity if memory serves.

The woman in blue is from a different region than the other two, and I think there should be a height difference between that is greater than depicted in this image, but I don't know if that is factually true.

>>96105352
>Their leader turned into a literal leashed slave petplay girl.
Ultra Based

>>96106254
Jordan was a kinky dude.
And the fact his wife helped write a bunch of the world only indicates he had a fucking crazy sex life.

>>96074061 (OP)
The ogiers are a little furrier than I'd prefer and I have no idea what's going on with Patches on the left but it seems mostly on point. I always imagined Moraine a little mousier than that but I can understand the desire to make her a classical beauty.

>>96104311
Didn't Read The Book He's Complaining About Award

>>96105600
>and I think there should be a height difference between that is greater than depicted in this image, but I don't know if that is factually true.

Moiraine is from a traditionally short people, but IIRC Nynaeve and Egwene are noted as being short as well.

>Next human is a Borderlander, who is supposed to be taller than average, and the next human is a blacksmith.

Both Lan and Perrin are noted as being a couple inches shorter than Rand a few times ("half a head shorter"), and Perrin as being more widely built.

>>96105352
Does Faile chill out later on? I got to like book 8 and she was still being a bossy cunt to Perrin.

>>96107960
>Faile

>>96107960
She is one of the few women that buckbreaks there men instead of it being the other way around. I have no idea why Robert Jordan chose that to happen to someone as gentle as perrin of all people.

>>96107960
Faile and Perrin come to an understanding.
She's basically a Latina and wants Perrin to... uh... put her in her place sometimes. Which he slowly learns when and how to do.
Which sort of extends to the rest of his shtick, since he's so reluctant to actually lead it fucks up the whole Two Rivers army thing for a long time and Faile's encouragement helps with that, when she's not causing drama, as women do.

Like with most WoT relationships the two have to meet in the middle at some point. Perrin is too nice, like actually too nice to be in the situation he's in, and Faile is so upfront and forceful it leads to trouble. Perrin learns to fuck the bitch out of Faile, essentially. Which he applies to leading his army.

>50k pages of women being raging cunts.
>50k pages of men being retarded simps.
>10 or less pages of women not being cunts and men not being retarded.
Terrible fucking books. Half of the books plots wouldn't even happen if two characters just had a conversation with eachother.

>>96108290
>Half of the books plots wouldn't even happen if two characters just had a conversation with eachother.
This is true of many highly acclaimed works. Besides, you clearly didn't give the series a chance, you never got to the part where it's 50k pages of Rand angsting about his dead bros and alternately wanting to Balefire all the baddies or himself.

Why is nobody wearing armor

>>96110296
They're all nobodies from a middle of nowhere village that hasn't seen violence besides drunken fistfights in several generations.
The one exception is supposedly undercover.