It isn't over yet Edition

Previous Heresy: >>96073290

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3
https://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://imgur.com/a/8EaFmTM
And more you should probably backtrack the last two or so threads. Seriously, check the thread before you ask for every little thing.

>New Edition upon us
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Don't be
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

Thread question:
Have you talked to anyone at your local about this? Not on discord, in person.

>TQ
Do the voices in my head count?

Tell me what's upsetting you the most about 3.0 so far, Anons.

>>96076925
these shitty threads full of nogaems 40kiddies with a worse grasp of mathematics and listbuilding than usual /hhg/

fucking summer

>>96076919 (OP)
>TQ
Yes and they all feel the same way, this is shit.

>>96076925
Obvious shills hand-selected by Games Workshop like Pardo trying to hype up a train wreck.

>>96076925
This guy i made is unplayable, and i doubt it will be playable in PDF

>>96076925
doom posters who think we are such an important title that we would have shills

>>96076916
Zone Mortalis has already been announced as a free download in like november

So are apothecaries still decent?
Seems like medic is just a FNP 4+, or do i have bad reading comprehension

>>96076942
>that obvious typing style
Hello IGfag. Changing tactics, are we?

>>96076919 (OP)
>TQ
Yeah, we were trying to be optimsitic about since the actually ruleset looks pretty cool, but the liber leaks and lack of army fun army building options has really killed that.
If legacies stuff is still gay we'll probably just stick with 2.0 with the small changes we've already been playing with.
>Captcha: RMOVR

>>96076938
Fuck Pardo desu.

>>96076925
My models were made illegal so I can't play the new edition unless I either play nothing but dreadnoughts and tanks which nobody at my local would want to do.
Sure I have the bare scraps of other models that I could start a new army off of and use TS rules that are actually pretty decent but I'm not spending 200-300 bucks and however many days and days painting more models because James had an autistic fit and decided I was playing space marines wrong.

>>96076950
Im not familiar with this one. Is he like perry anon?

>>96076953
I think army-building is fine, unit options are a much bigger problem.

>>96076947
It's not exactly FNP, since it doesn't completely blank D2+, just makes them D1, and it also costs a reaction so not much point in taking more than one. I'm just going to take a telekinesis/biomancy librarian with true believer because S7/T7 shrouded 3+ gal vorbak sounds hilarious

>>96076947
Apothecaries have been made unnecessarily different to produce effectively the same result.

>>96076953
>>Captcha: RMOVR
More like RMOVing units amirite?

>>96076963
oh costing a reaction kind of sucks.

librarian sounds funny though

>>96076961
Yeah, the detachments will just need getting used to. Unit options is definetly the biggest problem, our sallie player will have to redo most of his troops since he was running LC/Bolt pistol vets, and all my immortals are illegal now.

>>96076946
It's a journal.

>>96076925

One playtest would have prevented all of this, and they didn't even bother

>>96076960
He's a frequent threadshitter who was known for trying to bait replies by claiming to have an Instagram page with models but never giving a link to prove it. He'd also pretend to be a legion fanboy to start thread arguments and spam a Typhon meme a lot. What gives him away is bad grammar and all lower cases in posts. Right now, his tactic appears to be attempts to fish (You)s by posing as someone defending 3.0.

>>96076919 (OP)
My buddy and I have both determined not to bother with 3.0. Me because I have no choice and him because he doesn't feel like making WS for an edition that makes bikes and speeders so lame. Other guys at my local might go along or won't and will just keep not playing.

Is he retarded?

>>96076960
>>96076991
You can lure out IG Fag by talking about Liber Badab. He would seethe about it a lot, kek.

>>96076994
He's a sellout. He has a contract with GW. No major criticism in exchange for no threat of random dmca takedowns plus early product access.

>>96076994
He's a shill who glazes GW for free kits. If he has a Facebook I feel too lazy to check if he does, you can reply by warning other users not to trust him and he'll fume in the replies.

>>96076919 (OP)
3.0 took something away from (You). Maybe they gutted your army, maybe they are withholding your armory, keeping it as a DLC so you buy their War Journal.
What are you owed, anon?
Conversely, if you like what you gained (looking at you Lerneans), do tell us how that'll affect your army, anon :D

>>96076989
Anon you are still thinking that their goal is to make a decent ruleset that keeps the spirit of the previous edition working out the kinks. Stop thinking like this. Stop thinking that this is to make a quality product. Stop thinking that their priority is the customer's satisfaction. That's not their business model that's not their priority that's not their concern.

>>96076994
Heresy is fixed like how you fix a stray cat.

>>96077007
>What are you owed, anon?
Plastic bikes and sex.

>>96077007
Dunno, took nothing because i'm not buying, i'm printing.

So the £ 5K Dommsday is like, £ 150 for me.

I can just reprint another 30K points of whatever and be good.

>>96077017
Sex with plastic bikes?

>>96077007
>What are you owed, anon?
An apology.

>>96077007
Jumppack heros.

Still nothing for imperial knights? I'm really fiending.

>>96076919 (OP)
>TQ

Yeah. Several new players are getting into it with 3.0 and the few of us that played during 2.0 didn't get to play it a lot so we're just going to go for it. I'm probably the only one with any reservations but at the end of the day if I get to push my little dudes around the table for a while, I'm good.

>local provider for warhammer shit has a warhammer club with 15% off
>their prices are 1:1 with warhammers online store
>I pay 15% less baseline for warhammer stuff through them + I dont pay import tax
Things are looking up, paying less than 200 dollars for the box. I like the saturnbros

>>96077035
the game isn't fun to play and everyone else has been getting 15% discount for years - you're not a special snowflake.

>>96077035
runway model lookin' muthafucka

>>96076983
E U G H

>>96077030
I'm more interested in Secutarii

Genuinely surprised that more people are complaining about no bikes for characters and not no terminator armour for consuls

>>96077043
I like painting my little goobers and am glad I can paint more goobers for a bit cheaper, settle down gramps
>>96077044
not for long unless you send the defense plans of Pluto through astropathic message

>>96077053
It's the same thing in principle.

>>96077030
https://spruesandbrews.com/2025/07/12/liber-questoris-review-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-3rd-edition/

>>96077053
We're getting terminator consuls later, they already teased our small little balls with it.

>>96076925
Bought Fulgrim Transfigured as a wedding gift for a friend and now its a no rules block that has no appeal in fielding it.

>>96077092
But bro? Your yummy wummy apex detachment?

>>96077057
>defense plans of Pluto
Here you go!

>>96077092
>slaaneshi gift for a wedding
There’s a joke to be made here

>>96077108
Hes very open about being into hardcore S&M

>>96077092

>What are we owed.
The only thing I'm looking forward to in 3.0 edition is that it is an iron warriors edition and expect the SoH or IF treatment from 2.0 where iron warriors get 15 characters.

>>96076925
Litterally anyone that has played any melee legion, hell anyone who has played the game, can tell you that you 98% of the time will not volley before you charge because you will ruin your charge, but the opponent gets to free overwatch you anyway.

Its so braindead to think this is anything helpful that it was the turning point when I realized that the people making the game dont even play it.

>>96077060
>Ionic flare shield makes your knight worse because it's easier to stunlock it
lol

>>96077105
huh, it worked

>>96077123
Maybe a demon perty?

>>96077124
The only positive side to the new charge rules is the ability circumvent overwatch with the setup move, but with how short that is it's not very useful.

>>96076925
it's specifically the really obvious fuckups.
Like the company doesn't have even 1 single game designer on their team - which is why firing pistols before charging simply makes your squad fail their charge. Anyone who's played even 1 game as a melee army would know the enemy just removes models from the front so you go from 70% success to 25%.

>>96076919 (OP)
>Thread question:
Yep, and the universal agreement is that this edition has mostly good ideas in the core rules, but they ruined all the legions and their flavor. Normally when a big box is coming, my store gets all their distributed copies reserved over the course of our main weekly game night, I'm so far the only people who reserved one of the ten boxes, and I don't really play the game I just build the models mostly so the rules werent the make or break for me.

Interest in playing Titanicus or Legiones was all people were interested in.

>>96077060
>Secutarii have base AP3 lances or shred/rending/assault galvanic casters
Of all the things to become very good

>>96077138
>get to circumvent overwatch very very rarely
>but your units lost +1 attack for charging so your 20man unit deals less damage than if the enemy had overwatched and killed 7 models
Yeah, not interested.

>>96077057
What a wacky apothecary model.

Anyone got the leaks all in one place?

>>96077152
like i said only positive.

>>96077060
I feel like the big robots got the most thought but into diversifying their army lists.

>>96076925
I dont like the emphasis on moral and cool and stuff like that, sure it was rogue trader bullshit, but I dont think of space marines, super humans in tank armor, as being constantly pinned down by gunfire or scared of flamers and bullshit like that.

I know that sometimes they will need to fall back, I get that there are limitations, but this edition feels like it will be too much.

2 Legions have a ton of rules wanting to cause statuses, and 3 whole legions have defenses to try to stop them, which feels like too much effort and attention on it.

GW constantly pushes that marines are one man armies, "They Shall Know No Fear" yet this edition not only has them constantly getting spooked by everything, it rewards you actively putting them in that position.

Its one thing to be like "there are scenarios where even space marines need to fall back/take cover" and I totally get that, but then there is actively encouraging it to happen so often you think giving not just one legion, but THREE an out to it is something important.

It feels like the soul of the "space marine" as a brand is being cheapened just to nostalgia bait to a time period where space marines were different and pretend your making the game more interesting then it is. There is a line in the sand and they are crossing it.

Feels fucked man, performative.

Rolled 1, 5 = 6 (2d6)

Pass your cool checks, Anons.

>>96077007
No Toxin bombs, no rad grenades, no alchem flamers. Terranic Greatswords got better and cheaper.
I am owed good Scythes

>>96077007
>What are you owed, anon?
I am STILL owed my cool World Eater Apothecaries from first edition, who let me get more attacks on my units, but some of their heads exploded, shit fucking ruled.

Other big thing, let me have two marines shoot out the top hatch of a fucking rhino again you dicks!

>Moritats can volley fire at full BS before they charge on top of the shooting phase
>In an edition that stripped them of their melee weapons
This is the shit that's stupid. You might as well charge because you'd get an extra shooting phase out of the guy but then it'd be stuck pistol whipping marines instead of having something to slice and dice them with. All these new rules or rules changes that change up how things can play but they don't have the equipment to let them do anything with it anymore.

>>96076459
>I’m impressed GW has made the Phoenix Power Spear worse in every edition!
I think it's a sidegrade in comparison to 2.0:
Downsides are one less S. (with terminators getting T5 not making it better).
No instant death on 6+ to wound on multiwound models. (You can still kill a 2W model in 2+ on a charge with a lucky +6 to wound.)

The positive thing is it's always D2 on a charge, which doubles its effectiveness against 2W units that people actually use (veterans, reavers, rampagers, now raptors).
It seems like all 3+ squads lost an artificer armor on a sergeant, so killing them will be even easier.
Striking first became even more important now because many rules that ignored bonuses to combat resolution are gone, many units lost access to FnP and Heart of the Legion, and they will run away if enough models are killed. Spear will help with that.
I don't think this is going to be a good weapon for a challenger, though. Most units that can go into challenges are in 2+ now with at least 3 wounds. You have a chance to kill them with a lucky strike with a +1D gambit, but I wouldn't count on it. Rare Sergeants that can get into a duel usually won't have a number of attacks to fish for breaching, even against 5++.
Throwing a couple of spears to a squad of palatines might be a good idea, though.

>>96077171
sir thats an augury scanner

>>96077227
Don't try your Alpha Legion tricks on me. I know an apothecary when I see one.

>>96077185
good point. 99% of space marine novels is how they're no longer humans and barely feel emotions, and specifically never feel fear unless it's something supernatural like a daemon primarch attacking them.

The entire leadership system should not exist for space marines. There's no excuse for it. There should just be a special rule 'Terror' which has a chance to cause charged units to retreat without a leadership test if they don't also contain a primarch or heroic leader in the unit.

This edition comes off like that piece of shit James Gunn superman movie where he's crying constantly throwing emotional tantrums and whining non-stop. That is not superman and it is not how space marine emotions work either.

>>96077135
>Alpha Legionnaire strolls into the records department
>Says he's Alpharius and needs to access all of the blueprints for all of the main military bases in the Terran system
>Bored-as-fuck human clerk forks everything over
>Legionnaire gets promoted to saboteur for his masterful work after submitting a bullshit report about how he infiltrated disguised as a food deliveryman

>>96077232
Dark Angels go on top, they're the tip of the spear and the military command.
Blood Angel in the center. They're the heart and blood of Imperium Secundus.
Smurfmarines on the bottom, as they are the toilet seat of Imperium Secundus.

>>96077057

>>96077215
Firestorm also lets you decide not to charge after you finish firing.

>>96077252
Just let us shoot our pistols in melee, James.

>>96077232
oh fuck

>>96077262

>>96077060
>https://spruesandbrews.com/2025/07/12/liber-questoris-review-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-3rd-edition/
The gatling guns seem like they will be very useful.

>>96077240
>anon lecturing people on how emotions work

Tell me more, wizard-kun

Am I retarded or are big knights just going to get hit with a million glances and get shut down?

>>96077185
I like suppression and routing mechanically in games but I hate how it always gets gimped in 40k stuff because every faction is written to ignore it. TSKNF, Krumpin' 'eads, unfeeling zombie robots/space bugs/trancing elves etc. I'd rather have my marines feel a little cowardly sometimes so I can engage with those mechanics than not have them. And Heresy's supposed to be fuckin' brutal to a group of soldiers that wasn't used to meeting proportionate resistance.

Anyone drum up the motivation to write of summary of all the wargear that got gutted for each unit so far?

>>96077318
go fuck yourself. "this is tougher than normal" didn't make marines suddenly scared little girls. You are everything wrong with the game and should fuck off and go play with barbies.

>>96077343
>wahhhhn, marines have to interact with the Ld system!

Go Go Primaris Paypig

>>96077343
marines in 30k werent as mega-brainwashed as they are in 40k, hence why they never got ATSKNF in any edition of the game

>>96077343
Marines have superhuman speed and almost preternatural reflexes too, why do they have to roll dice to hit and why is their movement characteristic not infinite?

>>96077220
>+1 Init is good
Not only is that something they already have, it is something they have a surplus of, as they get +1 Init from charging anyways.
Phoenixes effectively got -1A in 2.0 it was better to not use Skill Unmatched at all; can't do that anymore, their spears lost 1 Str, their targets gained 1T,


Phoenixes effectively lost 1A, went from wounding on 2+ to wounding on 4+ (-1S on spears, +1T on termies), and their Murderous Strike dissapears outside the charge. That is on top of the nerfs to Sonic Lances (lost Pinning on the Pinning Edition).
It's not a sidegrade when it's worse in every metric - if they exist, regular Cataphractii Chosen would be better
>I don't think this is going to be a good weapon for a challenger, though
Or against terminators, because that (conditional) 2D bounces off their 2+ saves. That is, if they get the charge to begin with.

>>96077343
Didn't around half the legions lose their shit and go bonkers or something? I dunno I'm not a lore guy.

>>96077313
>Am I retarded or are big knights just going to get hit with a million glances and get shut down?
Yes.

>>96077365
Because the other side has marines too

Any SA leaks? Be nice to look at the rulebook pages

>>96077381
Agreed. Ergo, they should affect eachothers' mental capacity to wage war as well

>>96077383
https://spruesandbrews.com/2025/07/12/liber-auxilia-review-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-3rd-edition/

>>96077391
you've never read a space marine novel in your life, faggot

>>96077396
Exactly, and I hope to keep it that way.

>>96077396
Go eat a large cock

>>96077391
Sure. Their superhuman conditioning is already represented in game with their +1 to all leadership flavors over the usual mortal bloke, right?

>>96077367
No. They got greedy. They physically are incapable of feeling fear. If GW was adding a greed and ambition system, it could apply to space marines. Fear is something they are specifically immune to in the official canon. (They even made it the catchphrase "They Shall Know No Fear") but I guess since you're an autistic faggot in high school that is before your time.

>>96077396
>>96077399
Actually that's a lie; I skimmed the end and death when it got leaked here. One of the most miserable piles of dogshit I've ever read in my life.

>>96077408
I think that's fair, just as their speed, toughness, and initiative are one point higher than baseline humans.

>>96077414
In that same quote the Emperor also says "They will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness will blight them", and "They will have tactics, strategies and machines such that no foe can best them in battle." Doesn't seem to have the greatest batting average, does he?

>>96076925
Not only has everything been kinda “flattened” and flanderized, but it’s all just so random. It’s pure mathhammer balancing instead of trying to have a weapon, figure out its purpose, then work on the game stuff. Like, fuckin d2 autocannons naturally but D1 lascannons unless you... stand still. Stupid.

>>96077481
I know exactly what you mean.
Lots of things have been balanced and given rules purely from a balance perspective, not thematically/logically then balanced appropriately.

The whole thing is more 'gamey' than 2.0, which already was somewhat gamey with yugiho card powers

Can some kind anon post up the pages of basic bitch Praetors, Despoilers and Veterans please? I can't find them in the past 3 pages or links.

If there's a Discord with them all posted, I'd like that instead/as well please.

>>96077481
Yeah, the Heavy changes are …arbitrary, to say the least. Like, I could arguably see a stationary gunner gaining more shots on account of simply not having to spray as much. It's not ideal, but I can sorta grok it that way. But a gun suddenly being more powerful or having better armor-piercing qualities because you stand is weird. Yes, you could probably ague about 'taking time to aim for weakspots' or whatever, but it still doesn't work for me.

>>96076925
I assumed the articles were written in English where
>we're making a few tweaks but it's fundamentally the same and you can keep using your existing armies
*doesn't* actually translate into
>we're invalidating anywhere up to 2/3 of your army in direct proportion to how much of a hobbyist you are, with more hobbying getting more punishment

>>96077366
>Not only is that something they already have, it is something they have a surplus of, as they get +1 Init from charging anyways.
EC are no longer getting +1i in a disordered charge (from 3.0 rhino); +1 to i from a weapon can come in handy (at least against 1w in 3+).
>phoenixes
At first I thought they moved -1A from Skill Unmatched to the default profile; now I think they just treated them like normal Tartaros Terminators with 2 attacks. It's a shame, but maybe that's how they wanted to balance them around striking first. Inexorable and stubborn are gone.
>using phoenixes against terminators
That was almost always a bad idea in 2.0.
>nerfs to Sonic Lances
Actually, lances now wound marines on 5+ with S3. 3+ guys might unironically fail a couple of saves and die. (kek). Pinning? I barely knew her.

>>96077481
>>96076925
Dark Angels went from the thematically diverse Hexagrammaton rules to hurr durr just spam Terranic Greatswords

Do we know what a Cognis Signum does?

Keep eating the slop piggy

>>96076925
The loss of customisation and RoW.

I was really eyeing WB for this new edition because their 2.0 rules seemed really fucking fun, with melee units becoming better as you kill shit, Gal Vorbak, being able to summon demons, having decent-ish plasma.

So I was hoping to start them with 3rd but now we know this customisation just won't be there. No RoW either.

Feeling bummed right now because the 3 year cycle has begun and that means we can say goodbye to the fluffy stuff and expanded units over time. We'll just get the bare minimum until each Legion's journal is published (DLCs, yayyy).

What's the point of holding out hope.

>>96076925
Basically this group. Lovingly converted command group, but every terminator consuls are just not a thing anymore. Only the Praetor still has an existing profile (and it sucks, thanks to shields being horrible dogshit and hammers being worse than fists).
The Praevian? Yeah, okay, that's on me. Totally built that despite knowing it wasn't a legal loadout. But the rest being removed was a genuine shock.
On the upside this whole thing has convinced me to continue this project and make terminator versions for other consuls that normally don't get it. 3.0 can go and stay go for all I care.

>>96077007
Shrapnel bolters.
That's all I'm personally mad about.

>>96077521
>At first I thought they moved -1A from Skill Unmatched to the default profile
I think the same
>Inexorable and stubborn are gone.
Within expectations, given how they want this to be the Status Effect Edition
>>using phoenixes against terminators
>That was almost always a bad idea in 2.0.
I had hoped this would finally change and Phoenixes would be the paragons of the legion. Too bad.

>>96077538
Rites of War and Warlord Traits died for this

>>96077414
Nta but it is often mentioned in novels that they CAN feel fear. They just are indoctrinated and trained to act even if they are scared.

That was my "akshually" moment. Carry on.

>>96077578
I am hopeful they shall return in the $ DLC $
>He remember this is the Status Effect edition?
>Well say goodbye to Pinning Bolters

>>96077575
That is a genuinely cool group, well done. Bit of a shame the photo is not higher quality cus I can't see shit.

>>96077513
>Heavy changes
It's literally just the 40K Heavy rule only where instead of standing still improving BS, it can improve the weapon stats. I wonder if something could theoretically have Heavy for multiple stats like Heavy (FP, RS) or something.

>>96077593
The mere fact that at best we may get rules in the Legion specific journals is so bad. Some people will get their final rules probably 6 months before the end of the 3 year cycle and will have been kneecapped compared to others.

>>96077604
Just like playing 40k.
Legions that get their book early will be weaker than the legions that get it later into the design cycle.

>>96077606
Yeah,quite likely. Shit is genuinely sad. I hoped it would not be the case but HH turning into this is inevitable.

>>96077604
>Some people will get their final rules probably 6 months before the end of the 3 year cycle
18 legions, 18 journals. With 1/month, the edition will have reached the middle of its life by the time everyone has their cut-so-we-can-sell-as-DLC options. And there's also mech, sa, talons and knights.

I'm willing to bet there will be an exemplary battles volume 1 situation where some factions will only get their dlc in 4th ed, if even then.

>>96077603
Yeah, but improving BS makes more sense.
> I wonder if something could theoretically have Heavy for multiple stats like Heavy (FP, RS) or something.
I don't see why not. I'd sorta have expected a notably heavy and difficult to operate weapon like a conversion beamer to have that already.

>>96077604
Just like
HH1 :^)

Hopefully the list building apps update quickly.
I'm probably just retarded but I'm having trouble putting these detachments together.

>>96077629
How many journals did tow shit out so far

>>96077652
9 or 10
everyone has their journal afaik, including cathay

>>96077629
I have zero hope that GW manages to publish one journal per month. And if they do, it'll be some piss poor shit. Just look at the release journal. 3 unit profiles. That's supposed to be the Dropsite massacre book? One of the most important event of the Heresy? Sure doesn't feel like it.

>>96077642
Lmao true.

To think we could have had a proper 2.5 thing, with things kept as it as much as possible but refined and the few outliers fixed.

Fuck.

>>96077629
Its worse thanbyou know we're getting:
Legions = 18
Minor factions =4+ assuming dark mech, loyal mech, solar, and daemons.
Game modes =1+ ZM confirmed, probably a citifight or siege supplement
battles =2+ istvaan part 1 & 2 and likely many more, reprinting beta garmin and Mars with less content is free money.

So 30+ will be insane in 3 years

>>96077658
And of those three units only one is even vaguely interesting. Not to mention the cookie-cutter missions…

>>96077666
>Minor factions =4+ assuming dark mech, loyal mech, solar, and daemons.
It's cute that you think Dark Mechanicum are getting anything. But you're forgetting Talons, so it works out the same.

did they actually say each faction was getting their own journal? i thought they were all gonna be campaign/battle based

>>96077690
Shouldn't multiple factions fit in the same journal? :(

I’m making a TS Chaplain boxnaught for shiggles. Any ideas for iconography or how I should sculpt the front? Hems not going to be a from a literal chaplain order but fills that role in the company

>>96077185
>>96077240
>>96077318
>>96077414
>>96077588
Marines being cool under pressure doesn't mean they don't ever run away

>>96077718
Yep, exactly.
Plenty of novels mention the marines being scared, often right before they're about get fucked by demons.

>>96077575
Where did you get the sword for top right?

>>96077740
Looks like pic related, whose body is used in bottom middle.

>>96077749
Better picture.

>>96077749
>>96077755
Ah, cheers

>>96076925
THe removal of all the wargear options invalidating kitbashes and fun conversion

>>96077718
Yup just because you're afraid you can still hold your grown and stand firm, that is real courage. A psychopath cannot be courageous because he cannot feel fear.

What a shit launch, I still kind of like the IW mk2 praetor tho but I will not buy the box

>>96077785
T b h the mk2 designs are fine, the main issue with this launch is pretty much everything else.

>>96077807
No, I do not like the brainlet heads, the ugly nu-bolters and five same poses.

>>96077811
Nuh-uh.

>>96076925
Thaumaturgy can regen dreads

Anyone with a full Liber Astartes/Hereticus can check if the "Overload" special rule is in there? I went trough the core book 3 times and couldn't find it anywhere ^^' (I know what it does in general but want the actual text for interactions with other rules such as Blast/barrage/template and vehicles)

PLUNK. How did Rapiers do in 3.0?

>>96077778
>A psychopath cannot be courageous because he cannot feel fear.
He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man

>>96077755
>obviously designed as a White Scar
>sold as a generic mini with a WE paintjob
they've been always retarded

>>96077111
Space & Marines?

>>96077854
Made out like bandits ironchad. Phosphex plays into their whole "tactical status" obsession

>want to buy some new stuff
>rhinos
>out of stock
>fulgrim
>out of stock
>eidolon
>out of stock
>praetor
>out of stock
>proteus
>out of stock
>leviathan
>out of stock
>predator
>out of stock
alright then, guess the chinese will get my money

>>96077854

>>96077854
How do those guns work
Like does it fire all four barrels at once, or is it one at a time that constantly reloads to maintain a steady rate of fire?
...
Can they be mounted on an IF Dreadnought?

>>96077718
>missed the point entirely

Yeah, Angron charging should be the level of scary that makes a space marine run. Dont design an edition all about running and getting shellshocked from literally everything and turn it to 11.

>>96077879
...this unit has 8 sergeants?

>>96077876
Get yourself a proonter friend. Ngl this shit really helps. Got myself a spartan for the friendly price of 35 euros (he offered 30 but I wasn't going to rob him) and soooo much infantry for like 3 euros a model, no latter if its HQ or infantry.

>>96077683
>Dark Mechanicum are getting anything.
Honestly I think they will, if only so gw can release the awful li sculpts in 28mm.

Talons are more likely than demons though.

>Emergency episodes released within hours of leaks all the way up until the libers start to leak
>radio silence
Wonder what the deal is

>>96077900
Who cares?

>>96076925
>Tell me what's upsetting you the most about 3.0 so far, Anons.
That I just started painting my FotH – yes, yes, I know – and now the entirety of 3.0 seems to have conspired against me.
>Mortifactor gone
>Rites of War removed
>dreads dramatically worse (at least partially deserved, admittedly)
>rules generally shit
>new dread kinda hideous
But it won't be that much of a problem, since the HH group at the store has decided to stick with the previous edition.

>>96077892
sadly i have no friends

>>96077910
He told you to get a printer, not friends

>>96077900
>>96077908
It is interesting because HH3.0 might be the biggest fuck up after AoS1.0 and without the leaks they might have gotten away with it, like they did with 40gay 8th.

>>96077908
I want to see them eat their words

>>96077918
>>96077910
3d printers and friends are in fact mutually exclusive

>>96077918
im retarded i read it as a printerfriend
guess it all makes sense now

>>96077909
Your best bet is to stick it out, finish the project, and continue with 2.0

>>96077891
Field guns are always manned exclusively by NCO's

>>96077874
>>96077879
Niceu niceu. Do we have the rules for the quad launcher ammo?

>>96077854
Whoo cares 3.0 is dead at launch, just play 2.0

>>96077928
>>96077935
Technically I was telling him to get a friend that prints for him yes, but of he's motivated enough to get a printer himself, honestly he should.

>>96077857
Being a debased rabid beast is nothing to strive for, be better.

I wonder, perhaps we should volley fire as much as we can? You are going to fail that charge anyways.
I mean, you can declare a charge from 12" away...but you I4 marines can only ever roll a max of 9". In fact the average roll is 7.46", or 5.46" for Cataphractii.
You'd need to move at least at M16" to be able to charge the full 12", and that's on a 6.
I wonder if Setup + 2d6 charge would be too opressive...but wouldn't it balance things out in this Shooting Edition?

>>96077976
What about a based rabid beast?

>>96077876
Tips for where to find good infantry model stl's that don't look like trash?

>>96077978
Anon you're trying to polish a turd

Why is there no traitor imgur compilation like there is for loyalists? just because they are unorganised retards in lore doesnt mean they have to be like that irl

>>96078049
There's this one, dunno why it isn't in the OP:
https://imgur.com/a/8qfcxGu

I've got Perturabo to paint as a treat. What house/colour should the Knight he's posing on be painted?

>>96078029
I was going to say Wilph Diverging Realms on Cults but he got hit by GW litterally this week.

Pic related is his Command Squad. I love his designs but I understand they're not to everyone's liking.

>>96078059
Why is he listed only as Sevatar and not as Jago Sevatarion? Everyone else uses their full name.

>>96078064
House Devine of Molech, strongly linked to the EC

why is this board so fucking schizo? A week ago there was nothing but positivity and shouting down negativity and now it's the opposite. Do people on here seriously have so little insight that it takes something as minimal as a handful of units or options losing viability (if that is even true, they probably will show up in journals) when we've known the mechanics are broken for the past month? GW may be retarded but they deal in retards.

>>96078076
>A week ago
A week ago we hadn't seen how poorly the rules were worded, or just how many options were removed. Are you seriously excusing shit like Tartaros losing their fists and invalidating a loadout that is seen on the box art?
>A journal will come out later and fix these things!
That's called creating a problem and then selling the solution. Eat up your slop journals, piggy.

>>96078076
> they probably will show up in journals

Yes I'm sure they are going to reprint every single Consul to add all the absent wargear.
I'm also certain that they will go back through every fucking unit entry in the game to make sure all the Legion wargear remains compatible. The level of errata required to restore missing wargear would constitute a full reprint.
Retard

>>96077982
No such thing.

>>96078059
>dunno why it isn't in the OP:
because a lot of things missing there? if anon wants legion rules he should check out previous thread with ctrl+f litterbox

>>96078076
The issue has been magnified by content creators glazing and gaslighting. People mention the cons, get gaslit again. People then quote CCs saying "just snap your minis!" or "pull out those clippers!", and suddenly they get real fuckin quiet and hit you with a ban

I remember how a couple of months ago everyone was saying it's gonna be HH 2.5 with careful, really well thought out fixes.

>>96078127
I wanted to believe bro.

>>96078076
You cannot seriously be defending this [EA games] edition that
1. Released with bugs (Gorgons missing gun, Tartaros without power fists)
2. Needs a balance patch day 1 (marines can declare a charge from 12" away, but only actually charge 9")
3. Deleted your stuff, then will unlock it back again in a semester in a War Journal (for a fee)
You are wrong. I'm not asking your opinion on whether or not you feel like agreeing - I am merely informing you of that fact.

>>96078029
There you go anon.

Wish I had the pictures to show you but there's some mk3, reinforced mk4 (both with weapons and accessories), Cataphractii kit builder and cataphractii command squad.

https : // we(dot)tl/t-oOGOmkEnrN

>>96078126
https://youtu.be/D32EyZDf6Og?t=263
"just snap your multi meltas off"

And it turns out RealSnice is a fucking Goonhammer CC banning people left right and centre after he says "no comment" lol. Fucking sad.

>>96076925
The rules are illegible and that is the main deal breaker, because I don't play that much and when I do, I want to see, understand and apply them immediately, not with browsing through pages, thinking about grammar etc.

I liked HH1.0 more, because I learned 6th/7th edition rules and could them apply as is. I liked 2.0 Legions more, they were not finished in 1.0. I'd actually like 1.0 main rules with 2.0 Legions and some patches from 2.0. I don't know if there is a mix like that. All that reaction, CP, strategem, gambit whatever BS is just rules bloat.
I don't want another Lieutenant subscription service.

And it's braindead that they know they need to release a PDF later. They work with artificial deadlines set by marketing and the project is clearly too big to get it done completely in time. I bet they are still working on the PDF now but had to be finished with the book 6 months ago for printing and shipping. That shit is a bad software development antipattern. Investing time in quality and allowing their staff to put heart into the product is what makes a superior quality product in the end.
The rules could have stayed as-is and they could simply release all the resin in plastic over time, maybe add another unit or faction or whatever. They could reprint the rules every 3 years with all current FAQ and units applied and that would be fine.

>>96077201
so power scythe costs more and is worse

>>96078124
>ctrl+f litterbox
I went to every old thread until before the leaks and the only "litter" mentions is you saying the same. Good trolling, I guess.

Can somebody post the SoH rules?

>>96078127
What I remember was a lot of "Wait and see". Then we waited and saw extremes. Lernean redemption coupled with Phoenix destruction. Terranic improvement alongside Scythe lameness.
Warlord Traits and actual RoWs died for this, and they have nothing to say besides "Did Goonhammer tell you to do this?" lmao

>>96077035
actually 20% is pretty common, you are still getting ripped off

>>96077092
wtf. Don't they need cutlery, furniture, diapers and other stuff on a wedding? That is usually the time when fun gets scratched from the calendar and replaced by 20 years of "we have no time/sleep because children/work/both".

>>96078097
>>96078110
>>96078138
thanks for proving my point that you are indeed retarded, illiterate and lacking insight. Incredible that you could see how broken and shit the mechanics were with the first leaks yet only become outraged at the latest revelations regarding options. You deserve this edition.

>>96078147
>Good trolling, I guess.
nah, you are just fucking blind >>96063259

>>96078146
Any sergeant is better off using an actual Power Axe and saving 10 pts
Any Commander is better off buying a Thunder Hammer for the same cost

>>96078177
You're strawmanning hard here champ. Let's all agree that James and his influencer whores are the enemies here

>>96077481
Las makes sense to be weaker if you move. It's a laser, gotta stand still and let the entire laser hit the target. Autocannon just shoots a shell, same damage, should lose only accuracy

>>96076925
The removal of RoWs
The removal of specific gear (Plasma repeater my beloved)
Only one volume of exemplary battles units even though there were more
The strange choices in force organization such as Primus units that get a buff for just existing

I don't know what the plan was here, the tactical status thing is cool but would have been cooler in 2.0 where Morale per Night fighting, fear, pinning etc. mattered
this entire rule writing feels so cheap

>>96070139
>27 hours later
>lots more shill videos on youtube
>only further 16 sold

>>96078177
>Incredible how you saw things looked bad, then got angry once things were revealed to be even worse
The audacity, huh? Perhaps you need something more your speed. We will only slow you down!
>>96076350
Sorry I cannot link you to the 30k reddit; I don't google gay shit

>>96078193
As a DA player all I can do this edition is take as many Terranic Greatswords as I can.
>Praetor
>Paladin
>Centurion spam
>Deathwing aux detachments with Cenobium and Companions
>a single heavy transport detachment if you like but probably just more deathwing

>>96077546
Makes barrage weapons firing indirectly act like normal blasts if the cognis model has LoS iirc

>>96078059

Do we have the mechanicum leaks?

>>96078226
Thanks anon

>>96078223
What Prime would you give to that Retinue, anon?

>>96078229
draykavac, scoria, thanatar and weapon list is here >>96063259 , there were some pages from the book in previous threads

>>96077481
I try to be optimistic about things especially when it seems everyone is doomposting
but the mk2's plates no longer overlapping kinda sucks

>>96077891
It's a roundabout way of saying it uses their stats for checks instead of the carriers

>>96078179
Thanks anon. I've reuploaded it to a less shitty file hosting service:
> https://gofile.io/d/Xta0y0
This link will be good until nobody downloads it in 10 days.
>>96078229
see above

>>96078243
Uh, they never overlapped, anon? Maybe you were just imagining things lmao :^)

>>96078243
A single farthuffer on the HH team thought it looked stupid so they changed it
Literally the entire reason why

>>96078243
reject plastic, embrace resin.

Also vehicles look a lot better sized next to the old lads compared to the giant new models, but that's just me.

>>96078206
>ausfag website

I take that The Combat Company doesn't list shit until they move their pre-orders?

>>96078249
They don't look overlapping in that artwork though

>>96078253
It's not just you

>>96078243
the real nuMk2 sin is not the plates:
>lack of riveted details in the legs due to the limitations of plastic injection
>square knees instead of round
>Iron Hands/techmarine-style torsos because they were probably designed as IH (just like the AoD praetors were designed as EC)

>>96078256
GapGames has the best discounts for Australia so I use them. Looking up Combat Company, they still have 36 up for preorder.

>>96078253
>embrace resin

I was seriously thinking about getting the new Saturnine box, but I just closed a deal on a mint BaC box with all sprues intact for 150€

I'm going all into short kings

>>96078236
Nta, but dark angels are now the master sergeant legion. They got the most prime slots, so just spam master sergeant and greatswords

>>96078276
Ah, I see them now. I personally use TCC since the have free shipping to NZ_ after a given threshold. They typically have reservation forms and then send an email at a given point but who knows, last time they couldn't get shit since GW wasn't sending them stock.

>>96078277
I'm not buying any GW products anyway because fuck em, and if I'm recasting things in resin, it might as well be higher detailed, better sized actual resin models instead of resin copies of lower detailed plastic models that also require more prep/assembly.

Plastic tanks and dreads are 500 times better than resin though, hands down.

>>96076925
The missing consuls and legion equipment fiasco and no bike characters is the only thing that really bothers me. I think the conculs can easily be fixed with the wargear lists already there. Biled characters too, but the missing legion wargear is dumb. If they are going to put it on journals I hope no one buys them.
Other than that I'm fine with 3.0
I sure as fuck don't care for challenges at all but they are a lot more limited than before. And O can sprt of see the apeal once you know the gambits.
And there's a lot of change for the sake of change but it's mainly the expected stuff from a new edition. Some units and legion rules got worse, other better orther sidegraded or stayed the same.
But the internal balance of options is a lot better than in 2.0. There was a tone of gear and whole units that were basically unuseable before and have improved a lot. Many broken units have also gone down to a reasonable level without overcompensating in the other direction too, so that's nice

>>96078283
Can't fault you for that. B@C still is my favourite HH box of them all, even though the contemptor sucked unwashed ass.

>>96078297
Nice pair of tits on that Dread

>>96078253
thankfully I'm sitting on 30 of the old plastic mk3s and 20ish mk4s. As soon as the mk4 plastics get reprinted I'm scooping that shit up so I can finish my stuntie world eaters

>>96078296
Yet the BaC contemptor is more detailed than the current plastic kit with plain legs and arms

>>96078297
Cool posem but the unbent toes look weird there.

>>96078312
Hip- and knee-joints probably wouldn't have killed them. Rotating head and waist on the Calthtemptor was already annoying enough, it didn't have to be that tedious.

>>96078333
It was clearly designed to not compete with the FW resin comtemptors. Only for now GW having removed all them except as torso upgrades :/

>>96078250
>>96078257

>nuMkII
FW MkII has next to no design cues taken from the original artwork. NuMkII and III are closer to original artwork, particularly >>96078249

You can still think that the pre-2.0 models looked better, but there isn't really any kind of "legitimacy" to the claim that its more authentic or whatever, and when all the 30k community does is whine about lack of authenticity and GW diverging from older source material, it's hard to argue there isn't some logic to their redesigns.

>>96076946
>>96077007
im fucked for playing a cool fluffy army. dead game fuck pardo

>>96078344
I don't care about how much a design clings to original artwork, I just think the overlapping plates is far more visually interesting

>>96078236
>>96078285
Yeah it's this. 3.0 Completely lobotomised DA legion army building. You can throw in a las/AA deredeo with a logistical benefit if needed

>>96078340
plastics in 2014 or whenever were a different story, sprues were less complex and they were actually aiming for simplicity especially in starter boxes, Dark Vegeance for instance had a three piece Hellbrute and most marines in it were the same. BaC was actually standout for having so many options come with the kits by marine standards of the time.

>>96078344
bullshit. NuMk2/3 do not look at all like the OG designs, and old Mk2 was way closer to the RT minis.
In fact, the HH2 redesigns are a mix of old mk2/3 with HH1 Iron Hands/techmarine visual cues

>>96077555
gluck gluck gluck

>>96078375
Also, I have no proof but also no doubt that the reason behind the redesign was to avoid visual compatibilty with 40k DG.
They didn't want people using upscaled HH mk3 as DG in 40k.

>>96077007
I'm owed my conversions. It's pretty much my main creative outlet and has been all my life

>>96077555
He may be a shill, but he's not wrong here. The core rules are a sidegrade at worst, the real issue is unit options being erased or decimated out of greed (legion champion...) or stupidity (gorgon termies without combibolters)

What I'm supposed to do with my 40 despoilers now that Apothecary don't give them FNP and only a reaction ? (I won't talk about chain axe)

>>96077007
Didn't have any of the units that have been removed from the libers, and the few consuls I do have are easily fixed with adding access to weapon options through a houserule. AL kept their bonkers trait, characters still good, Exodus still nasty, Lernaean become fucking cracked. I got nothing to complain about lol.

>>96078405
Apothecaries also give you a -2 to status checks and the reaction is still pretty good.
Apothrcaries may bot be as straight forward as before but they are just 30p. Still worth it imo

>>96078065

Yup, and I'm looking for his stuff. Anyone who got his power armor bodies, I'd appreciate a share.

>>96078412
Good luck finding people to play with paypiggy faggot

>>96078393
He states himself that it's "a very different game", that he's "a very experienced player and after 20 games he's still getting rules wrong" and that "it's much slower gameplay" whilst simultaneously "games are shorter". He says that new aspects of the rules have slowed it down enough to counteract the streamlining elsewhere.

If you take his words at face value (even ignoring the invalidation of units) he's saying it's botched. His praise is a vague and opaque "it's very good"

>>96078412
Good luck finding games

>>96078140
>https : // we(dot)tl/t-oOGOmkEnrN

Holy Emperor, thank you!

>>96078248
thanks, catbox was about to expire today

>>96078427
you'll notice this with all the reviews

they'll make mention of the bad things but wont actually go into detail on WHY they're bad
they know the problems are there but don't want to speak up about it as they want to continue to recieve free shit

look at the goonhammer article

>>96078427
Games being shorter yet slower is a very bad sign, all other issues aside.

>>96078427
does he also state that he used ad hominem arguments in an argument? I blocked his account today, fuck this git.

so with no RoW can the Scars no longer take jetbikes as troops? I was reading their rules but I didnt see anything.

>>96078427
>a very experienced player and after 20 games he's still getting rules wrong

Have never seen a battle report from anybody where they didn't get multiple rules seriously wrong. Warhammer YT fags are absolute clowns, don't understand why anybody listens to even a single thing they say.

>>96078142
>"just snap your multi meltas off"
answer: just snap your dick off

>>96078323
agreed, I think I need to track down a posable foot stl. here he is, the former Praetor Cassian Vale of my guys the 888th company. He was the last of the Luna wolves after a suspicious friendly fire incident

>>96078427
>after 20 games he's still getting rules wrong
That's normal though. Especially when you still hve the older edition in your head.

Good afternoon, /hhg/! Are we still dooming?

>>96078456
It's clearly a broken game, I can't stress this enough.
>>96078472
Sure but I don't want to hear someone tell me how well written the new rules are in the same breath that they're neither clear or intuitive (to what is essentially a fucking professional Horus Heresy wargamer)

>>96078523
People are still planning their terrorist attacks on GW staff yes.

>>96078283
Best kit, surprising those still exist. 150 is great and the Contemptor can still be cut and redesigned a bit (chopping arms with one cut for magnetized weapons, chopping and reattaching one leg - easier than the Termi Praetor). Too bad all those dice and cardboards are unusable in HH.

>>96078304
those are eyes and the crotch is the mouth. You can't unsee it now.

First HH model done. Dunno if I'll ever play the game but the mechanicum models are sick

>>96078523

>>96078283
Amazing find!
>>96078561
Honestly the best use my group has found for our boards is for Necromunda

>>96078567
reminds me of the jockey in Alien

>>96078415
Is there much point in bringing them for IW now? They have resistance against statuses already right?

>>96078568
no, back to 2.0, waiting for 4.0.

>>96077575
wait what ? consuls can't take termie armor ??
there goes my smile...

>>96078579
>waiting for 4.0.
so young... so full of hope

>>96078578
Totally. IW trait ignores modifiers, apothecary applies -2 to your test so the benefits stack. It's as close to fearless as you can get in 2.0

>>96078574
chicken jockey

>>96078567
Very, very cool anon.

>>96077007

Lesse... Destroyers, Nemesis Bolter Veterans, Normal Bolter Recons, Moritats without Jumppacks, and a Boxnaught. Pretty much my entire army outside of my Terror Troopers... oh no wait, my Sarg lost his special NL Claw, didn't he?

>>96078587
I mean, now we are almost assured 4.0 is voming in 3 years so, not that long!

>>96078604
>voming
> vomiting
fixed it

>>96076919 (OP)
>TQ
It at least has more pre-orders than the Cathay battalion boxes at my LGS. To be fair, GW were forcing LGSs to bundle the Cathay stuff with Warriors of Chaos stuff.

>https://spikeybits.com/gw-decides-to-hold-grand-cathay-release-hostage/

I suspect my LGS was politely asking customers to buy their Cathay stuff elsewhere in order not to be saddled with surplus Warriors of Chaos stuff taking up shelf space.

>>96078523
Is the GW online store not selling out in 24 hours suppose to be normal? Or have they produced enough this time to meet demand?

>>96078427
Uh oh, is someone starting to regret their 30 pieces of silver?

>>96078609
>linking spikeybits
fuck off

>>96078437
Anytime, I hope to see your prints here soon.
Pass it forward.

>>96078608
Damn sausage fingers.

Jokes aside, I now have 0 hopes for HH going forward in a satisfactory manner.

So the reacting unit shoots itself?

>>96078637
yes.

>>96078610
People like him have no regrets

Rhino sheet anyone?

This may be a bad time, but... how would one go about making an army of traitor Iron Hands?

Do we know the full rules for snap shooting? Like can you still snap shoot with certain blast weapons or have I got that wrong - just thinking about how to combat Raven Guard is all.

:)

>>96078637
Yes, I'm not sure AI would even have made a mistake like that.

>>96078654
It's fluffy and easy. You even get decals for it in the IH transfer sheet. Check the eye of horus in the IH praetor.
You only lose their named characters, which is no issue.
>>96078664
It's retarded how RG is now the legion into decapitation strikes and not SoH. The game writers favouritism for their pet legions is so fucking obvious, ffs

Hey faggots;

HH3.0 is going to be the best edition, once they sort out the missing options n shit (which should be very soon, they dont want to ruin the sales).

In a month or two even the slowest of you will be back to gagging on GW.

Is it possible to paint SoH using only these paints?

>>96078523
No, I've moved past that, now I just don't care.

>>96078140
You dont have his contemptor do you? Last kit of his I never got

>>96078676
>The game writers favouritism for their pet legions is so fucking obvious, ffs
Speaking of, how are pissboys doing this edition?

>>96078683
>r*ddit spacing
go back

>96078683
Are you even trying anymore?

>>96078609
Rob from spikeybits is a thief and a giant faggot man child

>>96078685
No unless you're going for some sort of specific lighting effect.

>>96078676
Thinking about the lore, I imagine that they could have fallen after Isstvan V
>With the death of their primarch, they saw the loyalists as utterly weak, and pledged themselves to Horus, hoping to prove themselves strong once more
>They were seduced by the promises of the EC and Fabius of resurrecting Magnus
As far as chaos goes, I'm not sure whether to make them full chaos, and which God. Does Nurgle or Khorne make more sense?

>>96078683
Yup, happens with every game every time. New version comes out, shit gets removed, fans get outraged and call for boycotts. Then release day happens, and even those shouting for the boycott and killing the developers the loudest can be found playing it from minute one. Happens with COD, Madden, League, you name it.

3.0 will be the most played edition of HH yet, mark my words.

>>96078693
Pissbois have been nerfed down back in line with the other legions, Dorn is no longer the best primarch duelist. Which naturally means all pissfags are on suicide watch lmao.

>>96078701
Damn...I was really hoping to find a way to do grimdark SoH without having to buy a million seperate paints individually

>>96078703
IH were ragetards, so Khorne with daemon engines and dark mech stuff seems fluffly to me. They don't even need to side with Horus, just become corrupted because their flesh is weak mantra.
Red looks good with black

>>96078619

Already sent it to my friend, will ask him if he's willing to put his Wilph downloads into a single library to be shared.

>>96078691
https : // we(dot)tl/t-g0tutirMpU

There you go. Added the Boxnought builder he put out fairly recently as well.

Would you have his Tartaros/Indomitus termies as well as his mk2/mk4 (not reinforced) and any other of his HQs? Now that his stuff won't be sold, I'm keen to get my hands on what I do not have.

>>96078567
Nice job Anon, you fat dicked motherfucker. Very cool stuff. You planning any other Mechanicum minis?

>>96077007
I lost Veletarii with rotor cannons.
I gained a command squad riding sentinels, worth.

If they let me give the sentinel command squad power weapons then they're all getting spears and we're going Jousting. My cohort has a strong cavalry tradition anyway.

>>96077034
You're so fucking pathetic

>>96078637
the errata pdf will be funny to read
and I hope james decides to charge like 15 bucks for it because of its size and the amount of time it took to be compiled

>>96077555
But he is 100% correct. He even states in a video all the options going away is bad, and showcases literal display cases of models that aren't legal.
However, one of his crew mentioned in a comment they are working on a home brew to just add the options back for their games.
People forget that SN has imposing house rules on 2.0 in all their batreps (no infinity artificer armor saves ona SGT, forced limit of 4 turns, person who goes second gets to choose night fighting, etc). A lot of the rage at Lardo right now seems to be because he 'reported' the leaks (and shilling). Do we have proof he actually reported the leaks? I am any mod could have seen the leaks, and any fag or trans member of the discord could have told Code Troon.

>>96078637
Kill yourself to deny the charge... owned!!!!!!

>domitar can declare a charge, do volley attacks and then just....not charge
neat!

>>96078790
The enemy can't kill you if you've already killed yourself!

>>96078637
>GW telling pissfags they should shoot themselves
Uh, based?

>>96076925
>Special legion rule for free chainaxes (swapped for chainswords)
>Basic troops lose the ability to take chainswords (Tactical, TSS & recon squads that I know of so far)

Eat shit James

>>96078809
god i fucking love the red butcher cataphractii design

>>96078809
During all my years of playing HH in both editions I have never seen anybody with anything but despoilers holding chain axes.

>>96078822
Not even a WE player and I agree. It's fucking immaculate and shines even more in red and white.

>>96078809
Were you seriously putting chainswords on any of those units?

>>96078654
In terms of fluff, list building, or painting?

Does anyone have the marine weapon lists at hand?

>>96078847
This one?

If Steiner releases the legacies everything will be all right

>>96078853
>Steiner
Never trust Lyrans.

>>96078853
mein anon...

>>96078574
>>96078599
>>96078755
thank you kindly brehs

I got some Castellax Battle Automata on the way so will do them next, but desu all their models look cool so I'll probably end up doing the whole lot of their army at some stage

Setting everything else aside, one thing I actually do like is that there's now a bespoke Iron-Father profile. It's not ideal, it lacks some options I wish it had, but it's still a nice little thing to have.

>>96078853
House Steiner does not answer to you.

>>96078864
sir that is not an approved use of that piece of armour at the front

>>96077123
"I wish for more IW characters!"
>All characters are now norules statblocks

Really quite happy with how my Effrit have come out. Now to see them get axed entirely, or have all flavour filed off of them by the new edition...

>New edition starts
>Decided to get back into warhammer
>its DOA
Debating if I should just sell what I can and just keep a few models I like as projects

Can't cancel my Saturnine preorder because I already got pain to scan it
Such is life I guess

While all my marine armies are fucked, my SA seems to be coming out ahead with interesting rules. Hopefully we will get the Liber Auxilia pages soon.

>>96078902
That reminds me, I need to check ebay for ppl rage-selling their HH collections for dirt cheap. Edition changes are the best time for good deals.

>>96078711
You mistake GW recruiting new gullible paypig faggots with the people who're upset recanting. The people who made AoS blow up are not the WHFB nerds who hated it. The people who play 8th+ 40K are largely not the people who liked 7th & under. If 3.0 does become the most played edition, it's because a new generation of retarded fetuses with no soul and no connection to *real* heresy will swarm in to consoom GW's latest sloppy shits.

People like you should unironically be forcefed barbed wire.

>>96078683

>>96078920
Nta but I started with late fith edition in High School and I liked early 8th, it was nice little game, went down hill.after marines got the 2.0 codex, I quit before 8th tho.

>>96078852
Thanks

>>96078920
Just stating the facts, this has nothing to do with my opinion on anything.
>People hated him for he spoke the truth

anyone heard any rumours about what an archmagos can take as wargear?

outside of an abeyant, I have a solid bet he gets the bare minimum of wargear options

>>96078842
Yes. All of them.

So have we seen what the options for prime slots actually are? How many are there? How many are actually good choices?

Any chances of a daemons of the ruinstorm leak?

>my army hasn't really lost any options
>Models don't need to be shelved
>Rules look okay really

Anyone else in this boat?

>>96078974
my armies have been 90% proxies since 1.0

>>96078797
But do you get VP for killing yourself?

>>96078676
Alpha Legion also seems to have been blessed more than most legions. Their terminators went from good to great with elite WS and more attacks than any other legion specific terminator unit I've seen and they also get hatred while not losing any of their options.

>>96078982
if you surrender the game before it starts, the opponent gets 0 VP, only the victory. How about that?

>>96078972
No, those are getting rules in a PDF and are still months out. Also no one ever gets the digital only rules early.

Man the damage control everywhere is insane
People are acting like GW is their friends and surely if they get over it, they'll be better next time
Instead of if you give them money they'll know they can get away with it and do it again in 2028
Like how tf can you expect to rebuild a whole game like Heresy in just 3 years?

Wanna hear a joke? It goes like this: Exemplary Battles of the Age of Darkness: VOLUME ONE!

>>96079023
i own a copy
why only 1 volume?

We should be meaner to Night Lords players.

>>96078974
I'm starting a brand new army, but it has kind of killed my interest a bit.

>>96078974
Yup, play AL so now finally I can take my Lernaean off the shelf and use them in games.

>>96078968

>>96079045
Why? There's still plenty of Imperial Fist players to bully.

>>96078070
For reasons that will never be explained Jago Sevatarion doesn't like being called by his given name and insists on being referred to as Sevatar.

>>96078713
Good good

>>96079045
Why? Being a Night Lords player is punishment enough.

>>96078703
Nurgle makes sense, the flesh is weak but Nurgle helps you with his gifts

>>96078974

>Raldoran goes from amazing to simply okay
>Sanguinius now hard to use but still A tier compared to other primarchs
>can charge out of rhinos now but don't get extra S when you do

It's...okay really. Yeah it's worse but not that bad and a lot of people got fucked harder than me.

>>96079059
Hear hear

>>96079045

>status effects: THE EDITION
>legion best whose entire fucking thing is inflicting them is still shit lmao

Did we see the despoilers unit?
I assume they don't get to take 2 pistols anymore, do they?

Taking anons sugestion to get into AT, I have an onld half painted Titan. I added these checkers from the ultras transfer sheet, I'm going to use him and some Titans as a generic opfor legion and lend them to people to play against my legion.

>>96079094
Can still take 1 pistol per 5 marines, plus a pistol on the sergeant.

>>96079094

No, in fact it gets worse. Chainswords are shittier too (which is saying something), power weapons are more expensive and Apothecaries make taking blobs of them stupid. Despoilers are pretty much DOA

>>96078685
Mixing up the base colour will be hard, but probably doable. I'd say you'll need a spare mixing pot to do up a large batch of it in.

>>96079052
>Special assignement
What is the purpose of this? Is there any reason to take 2 praetors when you don't get apex detachments from it? And it's costing you the detachment you usually get from the command slot...

>>96079107
Can they take heavy chainswords?

>>96079121
Second praetor which also provides another bonus reaction point.

>>96079130
Didn't know praetors do that

>>96079045
I thought it was a little funny that Konrad has the lowest IN of any primarch. Angron never received formal education and is missing a chunk of his brain and his IN is still higher.

>>96078968
>>96079052
Such a shame, I really liked the new FOC, new characteristics and prime benefits system, it's just that everything around it is so lackluster and boring.
I wouldn't even be able to play my army if I wanted to, they've completely ruined any optimism and excitement I had for this edition.
I expect it's because some retarded asshole suit from the execs or marketing department decided to stick their finger into it and fuck with the development, bullshit like this usually doesn't come from the actual developers who do the work, it's always some greasy out of touch ego-tripping higher-ups forcing horrible decisions like these.

>>96079135
It's what master of the legion does now.

>>96079022
I suspect GW is using bots to astroturf positivity at this point.
Or maybe they started lobotomizing redditors and turning them into corpo praise servitors, little difference really.

Why is everyone hysterical? They will FAQ the whole thing so why worry?

>>96079157
Oh it definitely has been a decision enforced by the suits. Units that require kitbashing being in the tactica journals was probably a compromise the rules team had to fight tooth and nail for.

>>96079179
You're talking like Redditors need lobotomies to be retarded

>>96079184
2/10 bait

>>96079052
Man that designer's note makes me fucking sick

>>96078942
Nah they hate you 'cos you're a hateful poofter with shit opinions mate, cope all you want.

what do you think of this homeruled ws chart, anons?
I took some inspiration from the lotr to-wound chart

Why did they do this to my game?

>>96079240
greed

>>96078920
90%+ of current Heresy players who were playing and buying will keep playing and buying. They will still represent >50% of the playerbase, the clear majority.

You and your one friend in your grandma's garage who circle jerk onto a model of Vulkan before the loser of the game sucks it clean like a boiled sweet can "stick to 2nd edition". It doesn't matter.

>>96079240
contempt

>>96078223
>>96078236
>>96079052
Master Sergeant for any DA prime slot that doesn't have the Command sub-type, (and then give them Terranic Greatsword)

Paragon of Battle for any DA prime slot sgt that already has the command sub-type (they'll already have a Terranic greatsword)

>>96079240
You bragged that 30k is better than 40k, and they can't have their flagship product be overshadowed by another of their own games.

Have the contemptor rules been leaked yet? I'm seeing some comments about stuff being made invalid.

>>96079243
Alright paypiggy
Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for the next product
Oink oink

Titanicus new eddition soon

>>96079139
curze was literally a murder hobo in his youth, what do you want from him?

>>96079265
I hope to fuck not. I swear when I want to get into a new game the fucking apocalypse starts

https://imgur.com/a/lRaqKSw

>>96079319
Glory to the Omnissiah!!! Thank you anon, very cool!

>>96079319
>https://imgur.com/a/lRaqKSw
omg anon, thank you for the mechanicussy :* :* :*

>>96079319
>Mechanicum stuff
I don't have the heart to read what they've done to my bot boys. Someone give me the jist of it, please.

>>96079319
Damn magos, why did daddy GW let you keep all the options?

>>96078894
How's that overall kit? I think the backpack looks goofy but the sculpts looked kinda okay if there's room to swap stuff around.

>>96079319
>goonhammer
It's still funny how they have an article about transphobic language in the rulebook

>>96079319
>vorax WS3
>castellax BS3 (???)
>scyllax WS/BS 5 (???????)
mechbros it aint looking good

>>96079319
>marine consul
>can't have anything other than a bolt pistol
>Archmagos
>Buy as many guns as you want for him, we don't care

I finished Kopaka

>>96079319
Holy shit, my goremonger conversion magos is still legal

>>96079350
Troons ruin everything, are you surprised?

>>96079364
Prairie Home Companion.

>>96079319
>Archmagos has 6 wounds now
>Not an Archmagos on an Aberrant which also has 6 wounds, just the Archmagos on his own.
>Can buy 4 weapons.
I see that the flesh is indeed weak.

>Draykavac gains more Cool when riding his abeyant
"This is nice. I feel safe up here."

>>96079395
I mean, that just makes sense.

havoc launcher becomes a 2-shot s10 ap2 d2 weapon
vultaraxii also became t6 w6
kind of insane ngl

>>96079400
He's the only one it applies to, though. Regular archmagi gain a point in Leadership instead. Only Dray gains Cool.

>>96079395
"they hate to see a chad thriving, up on his pimp throne"
-papa draky, probably

>>96079319
>take no upgrades
>model all magos' with frag grenade belts only

>>96079319
>tech-priests are troops
>tech-priests are cybertheurgists
>the heterodoxist upgrade is free for cybertheurgists
>the heterdoxist upgrade also allows a free malefic upgrade for cybertheurgists
THEY FUCKING STOLE THE WORD BEARERS THING AND GAVE IT TO THE COGBOYS

>>96079422
I really want to see this. Blessed be, this holy hand grenade of the Omnissiah.

>>96078853
>He's going insane, last time he was in the club I saw him reference books that no longer exist. This system is lost and no one has the courage to correct him.

3.0 battle report
https://youtu.be/afdmzmmm-YU?

>>96079439
lmao all those gorgons with useless (sorry none existent) guns.

Just woke up didn't know thread died, want to support this anon.
>>96078332
Wow, what petty bitches in need of touching grass. Who cares how crazy a unit was? I don't think anything has the same power level in 3.0 that they had in 2.0. If something was too good a change is needed, fine, but that doesn't mean it deserves to be bad. People say the same thing about Mor Deythan losing volkite, they don't get AP2 in 3.0 and need to sit still so it's night and day.

Butchering models is never deserved, full stop. Glad you kept receipts. I never liked GH so I'm not surprised they're this petty

>>96079439
>40k color scheme
Meh.

>>96079471
Do we have enough leaks for solar aux to add them to this chart?

>>96078654
>>96078843
>fluff
Ferrus is dead, thus clearly weak. Horus is strong, thus clearly has a point.
>list building
Same as a loyal IH list.
>painting
More blood and some sea-green plates.

The new formatting annoys the hell out of me.

>>96078974
I play Blackshields and I thought all the gimmicky wargear oaths were for faggots so my army is as close to a vanilla marines army as can be. My army also doesn't have any jump, bike, or Tartaros units because those are also for faggots. Only thing I lost is despoiler vets (using them as centurion command squad is not only easier but got more wargear options) and terminator consuls (I never used half of them before and the other half I have no reason to use because even if they were restored Chaplains are useless and librarians are better off joining PA squads with the nerfs to Cataphractii, they're even more bound to Transports now)

Solar Aux bros, how we feeling?

Dracosans getting 22 transport capacity alongside the demolisher feels pretty good. Losing companions does suck though.

>>96079439
Buy an ad.

>>96079471
Mechanicum still lost options when compared to 1.0 and 2.0 but I agree that it's not close to the degree of legions.

>>96079556
Mechanicum have the option to have a man run out onto the battlefield with nothing but a frag grenade and his dick flapping in the wind.
They won.

>Gut and Nerf Marines
>Other armies get away relatively lightly.
They want to sell there models more

>>96076939
I'd let you field it, Anon. Looks great. Models are Forever.

>>96076959
Real

>>96077057
kek

>>96079439
These 2 units not being able to see each other is amazing.

>>96079575
i'm so glad my group isn't as dumb lmao.

>>96079572
>Where's your pimarch now, astartes?

>>96076959
You don't have 3 or 4 tactical squads to use?

>>96077261
Its for attaching to units that dont want to end in melee like support squads, Shooty vets, Seekers, etc

>>96079573
The opposite. The majority of players own marine armies. Now they either re-buy to replace invalidated units or they move to the greener pastures of other armies

>>96079572
Most did but my servo automata didn't.

>>96079573
As I said some years back you gotta start boiling a frog slowly.

What special Legion unit should I replace my 10 destroyer squad with in my Rangdan xenocides alpha Legion list? Already have intemperors so don't say those pls.

>>96079629
If they have jump packs, assault veterans

>>96079574
>I'd let you field it, Anon. Looks great. Models are Forever

>>96078676
>It's retarded how the legions that is known for decapitation strikes since inception and the very least in-game since 1.0 and not SoH.

>>96079615
I'm in the same boat anon
>TFW punished for trying to tone down my models
I knew I should have just magnetized or gotten more plasma

>>96078733
NTA but thanks dude. I've got the Mild Seven Tarties that I'd be willing to upload somewhere if you're interested? I'm not sure where to post them and how to edit the link to get through the spam filter though.

>>96079652
Just paint the coils blue and refuse to elaborate

>>96078914
Its all over priced B/C tier paint jobs

>>96079652
Did they lose volkites? That's fucked up.
>>TFW punished for trying to tone down my models
The same as me trying to jump from 1.0 cybernetica to 2.0 so in the end I just stayed in 1.0. According to the nerfs that GW felt appropriate in giving me I should have went all in during the apex of 1.0 fucking over my friends.

>>96079471
Gorgons will live

>>96079575
>These 2 units not being able to see each other is amazing.
Lmao, its so weird they went with 3" flat. Now I get that ruins are abstractions full of rubble, tilted columns, smoke etc, but a big old crater inside I would say is visible past. Could say its fresh and smoking still I guess. Thinking on it, going forward I would put actual smoke there to help maintain he abstraction.

>Master of Descent auto-DEEP STRIKES on t1
>as long as he's on the field your DEEP STRIKES auto-succeed
So he's basically mandatory if you want to play a DEEP STRIKE force, isn't he?

>>96079691
Oh, I'm sorry anon... did you model your gorgons with the combi bolters that comes in their kit?
*sucks teeth* *shakes head* That's an illegal loadout, sweatie.

>>96079705
Yep. I wish we had the full rulebook because I see contradicting reports that reserves are T1 anyway, not automatic after a while and you could roll a 1 four times and the unit just dies.

>>96079186
Completely unrelated to this, where is that guy who wanted to anal rape Kevin Rountree?
Did he get taken by the bri'ish thought police?

>>96079240
Corporate farthuffing and marketing scum interference.

>>96076925
Rites of war being kill is seriously painful the more I think about it. I'm gonna pretend like Eskaton Imperative or Terror Assault were always the fairest or funnest things to play against, but their special rules made the game really interesting and different. One of my most memorable games was a buddy running Dark Bertheren Word Bearers and pumping up his warlord up to WS9, massacring all my characters before dying to a hail of lascannons. Special moments are just gone now, replaced with 'here are 2 more predators for your army!'

>>96077718
They also hammer into you books after books that ONLY primarch or the emperor can evoke a primal emotions/devoton into them.
That should be a special rule for primarch.
Then again, a primarch should be a 5k point minium meta changers.

>>96079742
Primarchs shouldn't be playable.

You need LOS to deep strike?

>>96079717
Didn't act on his threats, as usual. People talk a big game online, then say yes and thank you as the local GW store manager rams a saturnine pre-order down their throat.

>>96079334
we're winning, that's for sure

>>96079364
looks hot, if a little bare

CANT WAIT TO BUILD MY NEW HOERUS HERESY ARMY <3<3<3<3<3<3

>>96076925
Well:
- The force org that seems freeing but is also quite restrictive (vets are suddenly very sparse, HQs are taken not for their actual capability but simply to unlock slots, and auxiliary detachments promoting focusing over mixing. Oh, and all the Legion detachments aren't actually force org slots, they're a list of maybe 3 units you can take.
- Tactical Statuses seem fine on their own, but too much of the game bends over itself to insist upon them to the point they get annoying.
- New BS chart is nice in theory, but feels like it spikes quite hard with crit hits, and the line on snap shots being between BS 3 and 4 feels like it's going to fuck non-marines.
- Changes to heavy weapons are way too beneficial to everyone, and it's not like shooting needed the buff.
- New weapons stars have shit names (FP, RS, MS, SM) and some don't need to exist (I like the idea of AM, but it's literally only used properly on Chainfists).
- Deep Strike got fucked so hard, and once again benefits shooting massively over melee.
- Challenge phase looks nice for it's own mini-game, or for a dedicated primarch-vs-primarch mission, but is way over-bloated for normal play, and has led to downplaying sergeants and up-scaling HQs, leading to more herohammer.
- Vehicle Damage Table is boring (Vehicles needed a buff, don't think this is it)
- The gutting of options. The absolute total gutting of options.
- Changes to line, scoring, and Vanguard really box in what missions can be, probably explains why we only got 3 missions.
- Not actually convinced there's any reason to take TSS over HSS again.
- Legion rules got fucked. Some are weak, some are strong, some are literally broken, almost all lost flavour and charm.
- Outright removal of several units to make them "Prime benefits." Atramentar shouldn't be a fucking Amazon bonus.
- Journals Tactica are too small, too sparse, and won't be enough to re-add the removed stuff in the 3-year cycle. Things will be left unfinished.
1/?

>>96079787
>the 3-year cycle
I HATE IT

>>96079706
Ferrus Manus lives

the new kit is nice

>>96079319

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D32EyZDf6Og

Actual Pardo is hyping on bashing 3.0 using "Fuck Pardo" slogan

>>96076925
>>96079787
2/2

- Completely changing what rules do but keeping their names the same (Shred, prime example)
- "Wait for legacies." I'm not an idiot, I know we'll get some stuff back. But I also heard "Wait for the Libers", and look how that turned out. To fix what's been gutted, the Legacies PDF would be almost double or more the length of the Libers (excluding the fluff section)
- Limiting games to 4 turns
- I dislike the continuing model designs (partly the look of the armours themselves, mostly the sprue design/same 5 poses/2-hand-guns)
- Attacks modifier again. I've been waiting years for the game to accept "Maybe some weapons could attack more than others" in any meaningful way, and once again, we flub it.
- The formatting. Just... so awful. Columns in the worst places, gobbledegook that isn't precise, clear, or efficient, details split arbitrarily across a dozen different places.

There's a lot. There's a whole lot.

>>96079747
No? LOS from what?
Only restriction is being 1" away from twrrain fetures and enemy midels

I'm a new player thinking of buying the box but it seems kinda disappointing with everyone being betrayed. Is there 0 chance they won't fix things?

>>96079787
>Not actually convinced there's any reason to take TSS over HSS again
Those things shouldn't exist anyway: I can't fathom why modern audiences can't wrap their head around "special weapons in this squad can shoot at different targets than bolters

>>96079705
You can also take the +1 to reserve rolls hqs I guess.
But with 4 turns you really can't afford to roll badly

>>96079833
>0 chance
No, there is a guaranteed day 1 Legacies document. The real issue is how much it fixes. Missing entries are all but guaranteed, but missing options are less likely. We really won't know until the 26th because GW didn't even send it to play testers. I don't know if it just wasn't done or they thought they could get away with it or they're doing damage control...

>>96079787
>Not actually convinced there's any reason to take TSS over HSS again
Bro what? HSS are garbage, lascannons and multi meltas are 25 points again while melta guns are 15 points and HSS arbitrarily have a +2 ppm upcharge over TSS, we're right back to 1.0 where HSS are overcosted garbage who die when bolters get pointed at them

>>96079828
>Wait for legacies
I keep hearing that but under the current lists how would that even work? One page for every loadout possible? The entirety of the unit's page and then some to add the options so GW would give you the liber for free because they would totally do something like that? Nothing can fix this.

>>96079635
nah they were rhino humping flamer fellas, currently leaning towards ashen circle, pyroclasts or angel's tears

>>96079575
Why would they consider a crater heavy cover? Are they dumb?

>>96079831
I was watching the play report upthread and Abby couldn't deepstrike because he "couldn't see the Iron Hands"

>>96079833
The chance that they will fix things is >0 but <100
Restoring everything marines lost from 2.0 CORE (not Legacies, Exemplary Battles, 1.0, or campaign books), would easily take up 100+ pages

>>96079853
The missing units are easy, its just a datasheet. Praetor on bike, cent on bike are just datasheets. Options might be dead, if they want to get lazy and still grant them then a sentence or two about using the current costs for the items would suffice. Eg "If a unit is modeled with options previously available in 2nd edition, pay the appropriate points found elsewhere in the Liber and they unit may have those options." They dont need to hand hold every datasheet.

>>96079849
>die when bolters get pointed at them
So the same as every edition?
In 2.0 they were aparently inmmune to damage going by the complains of peolle here

>>96079699
they saw that it worked for 40k so they ported it over, i think it's a good change as melee is already hard enough in 3rd, playing on planet bowlingball would be a death sentence for my despoilers

I'm guessing GW will be dropping at minimum some hints/info about the legacies pdf and addressing the uproar in some fashion next week. They will have noticed the poor reception & disappointing pre-orders.

If they are smart, they will move quick to fix at least a significant part of the damage (and it is fixable, thankfully).

If they are retards and do nothing 3.0 will continue to sink.

Could someone post the Deredeo page? Thought I had it, but can't seem to find it.

>>96079863
Its not, its medium, but the two opposing units are more than 3" away regardless of both being inside it, thus for medium they cant see each other. It really should be see in/out but not through. The janky shit you can do to be able to see an objective but not be seen back from other angles is wild. It also means you can see through corners of rectangular features.

chat, what do we think of the brass scorpion?

>>96079833
Below zero. What everyone is seeing now is something that started 3 years ago with 2.0 and just now they are starting to see the full ramifications of. Nothing will change because GW won't change and I genuinely hope they lose a lot of cash from this but I know that it will be so little they won't even notice it and go back to their sad pathetic little vampiric ways of sucking the blood of the players before the year is over.

>>96079875
the issue isnt obscuring, but the 3" clause. I too hated TLoS but 3" is jankfest.

>>96079878
Yeah bro they're going to release as many profiles and wargear options as in an entire Liber book for free in a pdf

>>96079880

>>96079910
The current one is 101 pages long, it wont be small

>>96079888
I had understood we were getting generic automata profiles for them. If they are traitor locked then what's the difference from a demon engine?

Despoiler profile please

>>96079878
They aren't smart and don't move quickly.

>>96079911
>BS 4
Lame

>>96079923
Here you go anon. Would anyone happen to have the Sabre page? That and jump pack praetorians are the latest ones I'm missing

Isn't it completely retarded that they released all of those special/ heavy/melee weapon boxes and then went out of their way to fuck every single person that used them outside of TSS and HSS? I'm sure shit like this violates consumers rights or something.

>>96079932
Thanks

>>96079932
>Line, not Vanguard
Huh
That's not what I expected tbb

>>96079933
>consumers rights
Guessing you don't watch the news much

>>96079888
Where's the weapons

>>96079947
they should have both, since shooting is so much stronger

>>96079873
I can absolutely see destroyers, legion specific units and consul termie/bike variants but I was thinking about the options.

>>96079932
Of course they remove the 2 bolt pistols option on the one edition where it would have actually been good

>>96079954
>rights
you waved those goodbye in 2016 already

>>96079933
>consumers rights
Are they still allowed to have that in the UK?

>>96079954
Unless I appear in them I usually don't.
>>96079966
I'm not in the UK and GW sells those in my country too.

>MUH RIGHTS
What about your responsibilities?

>>96079888
What does achemendrite do?

Update from Canada. Since I posted the last update the biggest paypig store in the city has sold 0 more boxes.

>>96079977
Ask not what GW can do for you. Ask what you can consoom for GW.

>>96079853
So, what the copers don't accept is that yes, you can re-add gear as a legacies unit. 2.0 did this over... maybe 5 units total?

To fix 3.0, you'd need:
(I'll be generous and assume characters can have the JP version on the same sheet as PA, since we see that in some cases)
- Praetor on Bike
- Praetor on Jetbike
- Centurion on Bike
- Centurion on Jetbike
- Champion with weapon options/jump pack
- Champion on bike
- Champion on jetbike
- Champion in terminator armour
- Chaplain with weapon options/jump pack
- Chaplain on bike
- Chaplain on jetbike
- Chaplain in terminator armour
- Esoterist with weapon options/jump pack
- Esoterist on bike
- Esoterist on jetbike
- Esoterist in terminator armour
- Herald with weapon options/jump pack
- Herald on bike
- Herald on Jetbike
- Herald in terminator armour
- Librarian with weapon options/jump pack
- Librarian on bike
- Librarian on jetbike
- Librarian in terminator armour
- Master of Signals with weapon options/jump pack
- Moritat with weapon options/without jump pack
- Mortificator with/without Jump pack
- Mortificator in terminator armour
- Praevian with weapon options
- Siege Breaker with weapon options/jump pack
- Siege Breaker on bike
- Siege Breaker on jetbike
- Siege Breaker in terminator armour
- Vigilator with weapon options
- Apothecary with weapon options/jump pack
- Techmarine with weapon options/jump pack
- Tartaros Terminators with weapon options
- Veterans with melee weapons without jump packs
- Breachers with weapon options
- Recons with bolters/chainswords
- Tacticals with chainswords
- Tactical support squad with chainswords

>>96076925
Not sure what to do with my breachers
Is there a unit I can run volkites+meltas with? Veterans?

>>96079853
>>96079993
And that's just the weapon options.
they'd need to fully re-add:
- Armistos
- Delegatus with/without Jump Pack
- Delegatus on bike
- Delegatus on jetbike
- Delegatus in terminator armour
- Forge Lord with/without jump pack
- Forge Lord on bike
- Forge Lord on jetbike
- Forge Lord in terminator armour
- Pathfinder
- Primus Medicae with/without jump pack
- Primus Medicae on bike
- Primus Medicae on jetbike
- Primus Medicae in terminator armour
- Primus Nullificator
- Warmonger
- Warmonger in Terminator Armour
- Castra Ferrum Dreadnought
- Destroyer Assault Squad
- Mortalis Destroyer Squad
- Nullificators
- Scouts
- Indomitus Terminators

That's not counting legion specifics, non-marines, or various models I didn't get to before getting bored. It's a lot.

>>96079878
>(and it is fixable, thankfully).
Lol. Lmao.

>>96079981
Australia's biggest Webstore has sold 14 since 1pm Saturday.
I don't know how many were bought on launch though

>>96079993
>maybe 5 units total?
There are 97 units in the legacies 2.0 document.

>>96079993
>>96079998
This is what people genuinely think GW is going to put in the legacies and when they will inevitably release without those they will just say they are coming in the journals.

>>96079878
If they have any sense they'll post the legacies pdfs and some sort of statement first thing on Monday, right now they've got shills and discord mods as their de facto PR team which is just making things worse

>>96080017
wAiT fOr ThE jOuRnAl

>>96080011
I know. But only 5 to my knowledge were alternate versions of an existing model specifically re-added with alternate wargear (Palatine Blade Aquila squad, Reaver aggressor squad, Cataphractii/Tartaros Companions, and Tech-thralls with the other guns)

>>96080025
it's okay, anon, hh4 is only 36 months away and will fix everything, honest

>>96080025
Fuckers could manage, what, 4 EB volumes? They ain't doing 20+ Tactical Journals.

>>96080011
Correct, add the ones that aren't already in and how many pages will it be?

>>96080036
*couldn't

>>96080037
This obviously doesn't even include the ones from other supplements that didn't make it in 3.0, being the legacies doc for 2.0.

>>96080026
And? Like >>96079873 says, they can add some sort of grandfather clause and and save themselves a ton of time. They dont need to spend a page to add options to every existing unit.

>>96080010
What a disaster. HH has a base in Canada too which makes it worse. I know it’s dead in many euro countries because they never translated the rules.

>>96080036
It'll be a journal every month till early 2028.

These journals will reprint fluff and occasionally bastadise something in the 1 or 2 pages of new content. Most will have 2-4 unit entries, 1 mission and 1 detachment.

Zm will get 1one.
Citifight will get one.

>>96080050
My point was, where in 2.0 they had to add wargear via 5 profiles, in 3.0 they'd need everything I posted here >>96079993, and all the legion units, and mechanicum, SA, etc. You don't see how bloating legacies by 40+ units, on top of the ~100 or so from 2.0, as well as all the EB units and the removed liber units might be a bit unlikely?

>>96078451
>wont actually go into detail on WHY they're bad

because they know if they do they'll be called out for it by people who've actually played HH2 and know the existing rules, or who've read and understood the new rules better than you have

nothing worse than calling out a change only to find it's a front-end change and the underlying probability hasn't changed at all, or is actually more favorable like you suicidal faggots did with plasma going from AP2 to AP4 Breaching4+ and dropping its cost 25% - when did you think you were getting pens with S7 AP2? on a fucking rhino?

fact is nobody's played a game under these rules outside of the studio yet (can't imagine the made the same mistake of using outside playtesters again after that outer circle shite last time) and none of the reviewers wants to be the one who goes all-in on hating a game they haven't played only to find you all love it a month from now and the changes you feared actually work better, likewise they don't want to be sitting there throwing out bullshit macca-style suggestions about how their faction needs an S10 AP1 Damage 10 pistol for 1ppm to "fix" the "balance"

get this anon: they're you but with an online reputation to destroy if they say something dumb

>>96080058
GW haven't been able to consistently do 1 warcom post a month. 1 journal/month isn't happening.

>>96080021
Yep, lets see if they are smart enough to do that.

Oh boy, I love having every bit of content that has been released being made incompatible and resold to me over course of three years, at the end of which the whole cycle starts again.

>>96080050
>They dont need to spend a page to add options to every existing unit.
If they'd kept jump packs, biks, jetbikes and terminator armour as wargear, they wouldn't need half the sheets we have. But this is 3.0, and we don't do that here.

>>96080073
It only happens because they keep getting away with it. Worst part is they would rather cut 30k if it doesn't work to double down on doing it to 40k.

>>96080076
This, as usual they add a problem that didn't exist before because people did certain things for a reason.

>>96080067
fuck off goonhammer/pardo/discord mod

you could be honest and detail why people hate the customization changes but you didnt, because you fear GW will stop sending you free shit

no wonder you censor that shit on discord, corrupt shill.

>>96079920
daemon engines dont exist anymore, they're all automata with the malefic subtype
....I dont really know what it does

>>96080094

>>96080117
Feels like more of a tradeoff than a gain.
Didn't they get fear before?

>>96080117
Oh and mech are better at being True Believers than Word Bearers

>>96080117
>>96080134
whats automata do?

>>96079966
>>96079933
in order to violate your rights you'd have to have a contract with GW that says they promised to do something they haven't done

what they've actually done is sold you some polystyrene and maybe some resin which you were given suggestions for assembly with but also told you can just use your imagination and collect as much as you like (it is after all just industrial runoff from oil production, the material itself has no intrinsic worth long-term once shaped and sold)

what you're experiencing here is called consequential loss; in order to prove breach of contract ("violating your rights") you need to prove that you suffered a loss (in this case, you're claiming a financial loss - but not for future purchases, as you're not required to continue playing this game and could probably even use your models in 40k without alteration given its current streamlined rules: your claim has to be for loss on the existing purchase, which is going to receive a reply of caveat emptor)

after proving you've suffered a loss you still need to prove that as a consequence of that loss (the breach of your imaginary contract with GW) you lost something else (again, this can't be money you're not required to spend), and that GW could have reasonably foreseen that loss (it's a business, selling you plastic crap and outdating your old crap is what it does, this has always been the business model since the 1980s) or that if they could not have reasonably foreseen that loss (which, again, is imaginary - caveat emptor ah! you should buy a 28mm warlord titan and name it caveat emptor!) that you notified them of it in a timely and reasonable fashion (dick pics and death threats are unreasonable and do not merit a response - they may even constitute blackmail when coupled with a demand or request)

you accepted the contract with GW (a simple sale) and they ceased to have any responsibility to you at point of sale/delivery

>>96080091
you don't even know why you hate this system, you just hate it because the 40kids who invaded hhg a month ago told you to

you absolute faggot

>>96079654
Sure, always on the lookout for STLs. I use Wetransfer. Just gotta put some spaces in the https and put (dot) like I did, this should suffice. Thanks in advance!

>>96080165
>you don't even know why you hate this system
Dozens of examples across every thread since Libers leaked
>examples in the GH article, which obviously if its good enough to mention there its good enough for us
>YoU dOnT kNoW wHy YoU HaTe iT
What did the shill mean by this?

Oh shit, they gave them new weapons

>>96080142
Makes you immune to status, but can't control objectives. It is redundant with malefic so in the end the 2 are there together for the purpous of having the scorpion being targets with abilities that require those trait to work with

>>96080179
To the 30k ones?

>>96080178
Well, when you have no good arguments, you go with bad ones or lie. Seems like what he did.

This is just not the level of quality that I've come to expect from the horsehair series. Start the Alan Resurrection project, scrap the current rules, lists, fluff and models and give subject 4l-4n carte blanche.

>>96080205
Titanicus and Ligma

Ok so all non deepstrike reserves are starting Turn 1. Thats silly. Anyone have reserve rules? Can you opt not to come in?

>>96076925
People being massive Gaylord’s about this edition when they act like they didn’t throw the same shitfit when 2.0 launched. Stop throwing a fucking dead man into a conversation cause you don’t like a weapon being pushed back to shred(6+) you fucks

>>96079654
gofile + base64

>>96080263
I don't think that can be fixed by houseruling, anon.

>>96080269
If you houserule rape it can

>>96080180
damn so malefic automata can just ignore the downside to malefic, i'll fucking take it

>cybernetica
>you can make a decimator a paragon of metal

>>96080279
Houserule correction needed

>>96080142
>>96080180
>>96080287
Only cybertheurgists (archmagi, magi, techpriests) can get maelfica

I AM PAINTING AGAIN
Fuck GW
I will completely ignore 3.0
Gonna finish my shit

>>96080313
the daemon engines have malefic anon, those cyberthurgists can get it via the rule in >>96080134 so they can buff and join them

>>96080010
saw this at 20 two days ago, it's at 16 in US. GW won't need to print a second batch of boxes for a while.

>>96080263
Every time someone says the 2.0 launch was the same, I know they weren't here for it. The 2.0 launch wasn't close.

So when is GW releasing new Mk VII in plastic? It's a Heresy era armor after all.

>>96080263
The 2.0 shitfits were not as bad, the rules were not as bad, the Libers were not as bad, Big points of complaint were:
>reactions are le stratagems
>where muh mortals

>>96080349
>Imperial Paladins
based!
We'll get nu-mk7 (with the same 5 poses of course) when they drop the next "historical" 40k spinoff set during 999.m41

>>96080344
To be fair, we had the leaked 2.0 playtest docs for like months and had time to properly process the new shit. The changes were significantly less severe, and a lot of them were good tho, so that was another factor.

>>96080372
Yeah, that's my point.
When the changes are less bad, people are less mad. It's that simple.

>>96080360
The beakies too.

>>96079813
use a sharpie if you're writing something

>>96080360
>Libers were not as bad
>Liber Mechanicum

>>96080372
>The changes were significantly less severe
>>96080379
Reactions changed the game way more than the 3.0 changes. They've made challenges insuferable but aside from those and flyers, it's basically the same mechanically. Chainging reroll to wound for +1D or letting you shoot pistols when chargin/getting charged is not that bignof a difference.
95% of what people are complaining about for 3.0 are missing units and wargear. There's not that many complains about the game's mechanics aside from how retarded challenges can be

>>96080408
Mechanicum was not available at launch, we had no idea how it was. And that was the topic chain, the LAUNCH of 2.0 vs 3.0

>>96080408
Half the people in this thread were laughing at mechfags for getting nerfed because they were so strong in 1.0.

>>96080408
He's talking about when 2.0 was released. Mech came several months after an already late release date along with the rest of the factions that got shafted.

>>96080408
The main issue was the overuse of brutal on high S, low AP, weapons like hammers and dread fists in the marines books, while the NPC factions barely got that busted rule on anything worth a shit.
Mech's issues were also exacerbated by the changes to the WS, which ruined its internal balance, turning shooting from sth you were encouraged to do, to the only thing you can do decently.

>>96080417
At TS too

>>96080067
I cannot assert anything, anon - I'm not as full of myself as your average content creator :^)
What I can say is that I "believe", after running the numbers, that Safe mode plasma is useless and should not be used by anyone. Especially now it wounds terminators on a 3+.
I repeat: the gun that SHOULD, according to decades of fluff, counter terminators, just went a point of Strength down and they went a point of Toughness up. This after they doubled Wounds. Behind each of their Iron-Halo tier 4++ invulns.
You would be better off with the 1.0 AP2 Plasma you hate so much. Its only problem was a cost problem, which has been fixed...yet at the cost of gutting the weapon entirely.

The game can afford lots of AP2 because anyone with a 2+ save has multiple wounds, plus an invuln.

>>96080415
>it's basically the same mechanically.
I've posted several times why that's not the case, but I don't feel like repeating, so I'll just say you're wrong, and read back to see why.

>>96080450
Nah, you just can't accept a couple special rules changing like it's the end of the world
I've never complained about rerolls but 3.0 is not that different no matter how you look at it

>>96080416
>>96080417
>>96080419
Sure, I remember.
>no rules at the start
>then rules who are mostly bad

>>96079888
>Toughness 8
Lmao at the retard yesterday who was convinced the brass scorpion had toughness 18

>96080460
>no big changes
>no no reactions dont count
>assault phase alone is completely different
>Lets not talk about LoS rules, killing models ot visible/in range
Bait used to be believable

>>96080415
it's a fundamentally different unfun game. Reactions are a big cancer but they're one cancer and 3E didn't cure that cancer either. New game melee is cancer, challenges are cancer, terrain is cancer, reactions are still cancer, heavy weapons are even more cancer with run and gun, removal of rapid fire is cancer, total imbalance of loadouts is cancer, loss of charge attacks is cancer, glancing status locking vehicles is cancer, removal of dual wielding so only 5% of units get the attack baked in is cancer, shooting-only-deepstrike is cancer, marines feeling fear from smallarms is cancer, and reactions are still cancer.

It was possible to house-rule HH2 in 1 page to fix it. It's going to take at least 5 pages to fix HH3.

>>96079439
Bit too many status affects, but the game seemed alright.

>>96080460
Yep. Special rules. You totally understand the people you disagree with and their arguments, rather than simply throwing out what you want their arguments to be because it's easier.

>>96080392
lack of patience and unsteady hands are to blame
i can do pretty things when i don't drink

>>96080477
* loss of sweeping is also cancer, and line of sight changes (see 1 model kill all 20) are cancer, and 4 turn game length is the biggest cancer ever (larger than reactions even)

Anyone have the resin vigilator they'd be willing to height compare to a nu-plastic marine? Gonna rock him with some seekers and wanna make sure he isn't too much of a ratling

>>96080489
>model has melee weapon
>rules do not allow melee weapon
You don't hate GW enough

>>96079471
Plenty of Mech units got weirdly shafted too, especially Scyllax and servo automata losing ALL options except for fucking bolters.
Thallax and myrmidons also lost options.

>>96080234
Yes, after the roll you can choose to keep the unit in reserve.

>>96080506
For aircraft does that increase the roll for the next run? Just thinking on an eagle with dudes dont want to arrived turn 1 if theres nothing to do but get shot and die.

>gw ruins game
>fat fuck called "announcer of games" on youtube defends GW
>keeps bitching about it when called out as a shill, makes TEN videos about it in the past 2 days that are mostly him doing damage control

LMFAO

Any one have some of wilphs custodes files?

>>96080502
It's a combat knife anon calm down

>>96080318
what you painting champ?

>>96080502
That's just the standard basic melee weapon that all models get by default. Do people still try and argue this means a dreadnought with one fist gets +1 attack for having 2 CCW?

>>96080477
Sounds a lot like you are complaining about the game being less lethal than before. Which you would have probably been complaining if it was more as well
Idk what loadouts you are talking about. Internal balanced in 2.0 was fucking abysmal. It's much better now. Vehicles were borderline unuseable adn you could easily lose 3 predators to one HSS before
Vast mayority of melee units got +1 A baked in, not 5% of them
Auto charge deepstrike was absolutely retarded and so was having to drop all units at the same time
Moving heavy weapons are worse on vehicle or go on basic MEQ infantry that you don't want out of cover. New melee is identical aside from challenges

>>96079998
Unironically I hope they don't re-add the Armistos. The Siege Breaker should be the guy who hangs out with the heavy weapon guys and provides his LoS for artillery. They even made him the only guy with a Cognis Signum.
I wish he could swap his hammer for a heavy gun, though.
>Delegatus
Don't the Delegatus and Herald overlap? They pretty much do the same: act as a delegate to their Lord. You already have:
SM Enforcer (Chaplain)
Mortals Enforcer (Overseer)
Field Officer (Centurion)
Lieutenant (Optae)
Champion
Then Herald

>>96080524
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtBEDYYEHOU

>>96080531
Not after they put out the FAQ saying no. This is probably why they removed the +1A and put it into the profiles. They were too retarded to write it in a why that wouldn't leave room for arguments

Is it wrong that the Saturnine praetor is really growing on me?

>>96080318
Me too. I've got a horrific pile of grey so now i'm making it all dawnstone lol much better

2 vindicators on the go just now, how about you?

>>96080549
Lotta players were too retarded to remember it as well. The amount of times I've had to remind people of the +1 attack, even when they've been playing warhammer since 4th edition. Same with the attack bonus for charging...
Why are so many people so incredibly retarded?

>>96080557
Nah, the Praetor looks quite good. I don't hate the design, I think the regular ones just look awkward

>>96080557
very wrong, yes. It looks like a chaos daemon prince bloated marine like the nurgle plague lord. Nothing else.

>>96080557
Not really. People were pretty quickly saying that the model could be salvaged by leaving the fucking ugly iron halo and random excess details off.

>>96080557
Yes.
But that's a hot paintjob and a good conversion, so you can like that one.

>>96080466
that retard was who you responded to anon, me

now....is that 2nd darkmech power designed to SPECIFICALLY counter cyberthurgy?
you inflict the null effect (no bonuses), wipe the buff and cause cyberthurgic feedback because you wiped the buff
and I may have read it wrong, when null gets wiped it suffers feedback again

>>96080557
The proportions still don't work, the fist looks retarded, the legs are awful. You can put good on top of it, but you can't fix the basis.

>>96080586
>forgets image
scrapcode infection is what im talking about

>>96079833
Less than zero

>>96080557
Nah, I liked it a lot more when they showed it off without all the extra bling on it and showed it could have the big axe. Honestly I like the saturnine stuff, but most of the time they just look bad because people paint them in that aids eavy metal style and also because people pose them retardedly. People will also complain about their proportions and then not blink an eye to power armour or normal terminator variants which always makes me laugh, fucking double standards man

>>96080489
Sorry bro

>>96078469
They get a unique auxiliary detachment that’s two outriders and two jetbike (and one prime each, which is great) so they can spam them hard with only a few HQs

>>96079833
Entirely zero. If it was a 10 year edition there would be a SMALL chance of them fixing it. But the very fundamentals of 25% of the rulebook are trash (1 in every 4 pages) so they'd have to rewrite literally the entire edition to fix the game and they're not doing that when they can SELL you the "fix" in Horus Heresy edition 4.0™ three years from now for $268 more dollars + $150 for new codexes.

>>96080557
So how the fuck does a marine pilot this? It's clearly too big to be worn like other Terminator armor. Hell, it's bigger than a Boxnought.

How would you make a velataris command? Just use the comman sprue with some velataris bodies?

>>96080621
>2.0
pick one lil nigga to spam units
>3.0
pick one big nigga and 2 lil niggas to spam units

>>96080169
Hopefully this works.
https : //we(dot)tl/t-nhDhvGZULU

Question do we know what Impact (IM) does
same with rending and breaching?

Trying to figure out what the Raven Talons do.

>>96080632
notice the head is the same size. Boxnaughts head are actual helmets. The boxnaught is comically small. Proportions are fucekd in 30k. Primarchs heads are the same size as marines, they just have huge guts.

>>96080617
Wow didn't expect it to be THAT drastic. Looks like I'll have to convert my own up after all, thanks for helping me out anon.

>>96080632
It's an exo-suit, it is piloted more than worn. Think mini dreadnought for marines that are alive and well rather than turned into a vegetable.
>Saturnine puts the dreadnought in tactical dreadnought armour.

>>96080632
We don't have the exact details, but the pilots need to be latent psykers and have high resistance to cybernetic augmentation, so odds are they get nugget'd and pilot it with wires jacked into their brains. Essentially a dreadnought you can take off. I guess it lives up to the "Tactical Dreadnought Armor" moniker

>>96080635
Wait for the actual Liber if you're going to work in 3.0shit

>>96080656
Impact is +1 to X state upon charging. You dont even need to swing with the Impact weapon weapon.

>>96080663
So it's literally just a Centurion for the Heresy?

>>96080656
Impact provides a +1 modifier to the stat listed behind it. So Impact (IM) means the model attacking with that weapon gets an additional +1 initiative.

>>96080663
If they called it anything else it would've gone down better. It's not terminator armour, it's an exo suit.
But then they couldn't nostalgia farm.

>>96080671
Less so, marines still have their legs inside the legs of the 40k centurion suit

>>96080670
>>96080678
Thanks lads!

Are Rending and Breaching still the same or have they changed? I don't see any reason to double stack them if they are the same as 2.0.

What is firestorm? Am I just missing a page from the angel's tears rules?

>>96080686
Rending is now an auto-wound on the hit roll that counts as having rolled a 6 for the to wound roll, but breaching is still the same.

>>96080686
Rending is an automatic wound counting as a 6 for other special rules
Breaching resolves the woumd at ap2 but doesn't automatically wound
>>96080691
Firestorm lets you volley fire at full BS and you can choose not to resolve the charge after

Wait, can someone check the power armored command squad entry? I don't remember seeing them being able to take combat shields. So their new plastic box might be an illegal loadout.

>>96080691
Firestorm allows the unit to shoot Volley fire before charging/getting charged at full BS rather than snap shots. Also allows them to choose not to follow through with the actual charge after having shot.

>>96080686
Rending is on hit, auto wound counts as a 6 to trigger other rules like breaching. Talons Auto wound at AP2 on 6s to hit with +1I

>>96080671
Similar.

>>96080700
Praetor command squads can have combat shields

>>96080702
Allows the model to fire at full BS

>>96080715
You got the saturnine command squad page?

>>96080725
No, that one has been announced to be in the second tactica journal. It requires kitbashing, so it's not in the libers.

>>96080667
>pilots need to be latent psykers
It's a bit of machine affinity. Like IRL when printers and other machinery act up, but they calm down when someone with The Skill comes by to chek, you know? Like that. It's the kind of shine you might not know you have.
https://youtu.be/CPNEEhDVGSo?t=117

How do you build a list for 30k? I don't mean the new FOC, I mean what considerations you have when designing a well rounded list.

Why can't Warsmiths wear Saturnine armor? I thought they were smart.

>>96080715
Oh my God, they lost boarding shields in addition to the mount options...

>>96080445
I have personally said from the start of HH2.0 3 weapons i think should change are plasma, Power sword and Power axe
Plasma: Should be AP3 base, Breaching 4+
Power sword should be AP3 Breaching 4+
Power axe: Should be AP2 with a rule that makes you swing at -1 init, turning it into a niche weapon designed to be anti SV2 TH/PF wielding targets.

>>96080557
Melee versions look fine, but the gun ones look off, their arms are to subby. If the weapons were like the terminator weapons where you see them holding the grip and trigger and see their fist it would be fine.

>>96080715
No thunder shields?

>>96080735
Take 2 units of 20 tacticals and spam the highest damage weapons available. Don't listen to what anyone else tries to bullshit you about statuses or maneuverability, you know what's an even better debuff? Death. With monstrous creatures and high toughness no longer saving you from multi damage there's literally no reason yo not spam as many meltas and thunder hammers you can take

>>96080738
Warsmiths are handpicked by Perturabo and so are retarded. They lack the psychic potential of a fully soulful being.

>>96080657
Boxnaughts are more justified, they are a burnt crispy little nugget so they fit in there.

>>96080735
How i do it.
>Read lore
>Find a unit/idea i think is fucking cool
>Find out what units would make that list possibly work
>Find the strongest unit in the list and buff it with combos
>Run the list.

>>96080699
>>96080702
>at full BS rather than snap shots.
Wait, doesn't Implacable Advance do that too? Allows you to Volley Fire with non Assault guns, also at full BS?
I'm eyeing Tyrants up for that reason wow

>>96080715
The double column under Options is fucking with me. It's somehow making it more difficult to read the plain text.

>>96080732
>It requires kitbashing, so it's not in the libers.
If the weapon packs don't count for that I really don't get why they removed so many weapon options if they were covered by them.