623 KB /hhg/ & /atg/ Horus Heresy & Adeptus Titanicus General - /tg/ (#96092840) [Archived: 235 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:18:39 AM No.96092840
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I say thee Neigh edition

Previous Heresy:>>96087035

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3
https://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://imgur.com/a/8EaFmTM
And more you should probably backtrack the last two or so threads. Seriously, check the thread before you ask for every little thing.

>New Edition upon us
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Don't be
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

ใ€ŽAdeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialisใ€
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

Thread question:
What would it take for you to accept 3.0?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:21:33 AM No.96092858
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>>96092840 (OP)
>What would it take for you to accept 3.0?
If it was literally just 2.0 with some points tweaks and some minor reworks for special rules (brutal etc.).
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:22:45 AM No.96092866
>>96092830
Oh, alright, that does sound useful then.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:24:46 AM No.96092878
>>96092840 (OP)
>What would it take for you to accept 3.0?
Change charges back, change challenges back, change deep strike back (at least make it fucking usable), re-add all the options, actually fucking use Attacks Modifier, insist upon tactical statuses less, red add two-weapon fighting, change the WS chart, change force org back (to 1.0), change missions and scoring back (at least most of the way), change the formatting back, dear god, make wargear wargear again... it'd be a start.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:25:03 AM No.96092879
>>96092840 (OP)
>What would it take for you to accept 3.0?
A formal post from Games Workshop admitting they fucked up and fumbled it, and then as a gesture of goodwill free PDF releases of updated Liber's once they've spent a few months fixing them and adding options back.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:26:51 AM No.96092888
people_are_canceling
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7 hours after the last post about 5 people cancelling their preorders, still zero copies sold. Total for the day Minus-4.

Saturnine is fucking DEAD.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:27:09 AM No.96092890
>>96092866
It is, especially since statuses last until they're cleared. They don't go away automatically.

And routing is the worst of all of them. If you can panic a HSS in your shooting phase, you'll prevent them from reacting to anything else making them easy targets for a charge or to keep them from popping return fire on your own units shooting them
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:28:10 AM No.96092895
>>96092888
reddit repost
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:28:15 AM No.96092897
>>96092840 (OP)
>TQ
Nothing. I even started buying old books. Hopefully 2.0 Libers will be on discount once new ones come on sale.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:29:11 AM No.96092904
>>96092840 (OP)
The issue with 3.0 isn't the balance.
Every edition has its balance issues, fixing old shit and creating new problems.

The issue isn't even specifically certain shitty rules (and removal of options), which can be houseruled like people have done for 2.0.

The problem is there are shitty rules, loss of options, and 30k now looks like its locked into the 3 year paypig cycle.

Even with houserules making it better than 2.0, its just gonna be a new set of bullshit in 3 years.

Where as if I stay with 2.0 or even 1.0 and houserule to fix issues, its already not the current edition of rules, so I don't have to care about future rules churn.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:29:23 AM No.96092906
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>>96092888
Sorry people aren't buying it from your literal who website.
Normies are going to slurp it up.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:29:40 AM No.96092909
>>96092840 (OP)
>What would it take for you to accept 3.0?
The legacy pdfs having bike characters at launch
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:31:28 AM No.96092920
What do we think a list of problems inherent to 2.0 could have been fixed without the disaster for 3.0?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:33:59 AM No.96092930
>>96092904
Mostly this. But I'm also never purchasing any wargame which is 4 turns long. Hard dealbreaker no matter what.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:34:58 AM No.96092940
>>96092920
Leave pretty much all the units and legion rules alone while adding the new statuses + related rules onto weapons and units as appropriate.

Massage existing rules to work with the new challenge phase, tune up reactions and fix interceptor spam.

Really, I think that if the unit roster hadn't been gutted the way it has in the libers, the game would have some grumbling but otherwise be afloat. If the legacy pdfs are really comprehensive, then they may be able to pull out of the nose dive, but that's a big if.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:35:05 AM No.96092941
>>96092906
You posted a literal-who website which only had 3 boxes, nobody gives a fuck if they managed to sell 3 boxes. Saturnine is the biggest flop in GW history now, literally negative sales.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:36:04 AM No.96092948
>>96092941
>Saturnine is the biggest flop in GW history now
you know we've been here for all of aos right
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:37:18 AM No.96092956
30k Iron Warriors Small
30k Iron Warriors Small
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Post models.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:37:21 AM No.96092957
>>96092941
Yes, the unknown website 'ebay' which shows over 300 sold from 2 sellers.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:38:10 AM No.96092961
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>>96092956
Replies: >>96092971 >>96094124
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:38:49 AM No.96092965
>>96092957
All of ebay is 300 total? Give it another month that'll be 2 copies per country on the planet, Great Success!
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:38:55 AM No.96092967
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>>96092941
>HEY. This thing that I don't like?
>It is LITERALLY the worst thing EVER.
>That thing I was mad about last week? No that's nothing. When I said it was the worst thing ever, it was just bantz.
>THIS, though? THIS is the WORST. Until the next thing I get mildly upset about becomes THE WORST THING EVER because I'm mad and I've lost all touch with reality so I just assume everyone on the planet must be as angry as ME about THIS thing.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:39:55 AM No.96092970
>>96092965
Betrayal at Calth, Burning of Prospero and Age of Darkness never sold out btw
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:40:09 AM No.96092971
>>96092956
>>96092961
STOP THAT RIGHT NOW AND DOOMPOST ABOUT HOW HH 3.0 IS A FLOP OR YOU'RE A HECKIN SHILL
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:41:21 AM No.96092979
>>96092967
this
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:41:53 AM No.96092981
>>96092906
>Ebay
>the website that allows scalpers to pretend to buy their own product, never pay anything and then pretend it's 300 sold so you'll try to buy a scalped copy from them
Nice troll.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:42:33 AM No.96092985
>>96092956
Fellow son of Olympia, do you plan to bring all 3 of those Vindicators into 3.0?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:42:47 AM No.96092987
>>96092965
Do you have problems reading? That is 2 sellers.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:43:47 AM No.96092996
>>96092981
>PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE TAKE MY BAIT
Yeah, the one nobody discount games site that splits pre-orders between their HH section and their pre-order section is totally the one data point that we should all believe religiously
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:44:56 AM No.96093006
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>TQ

I dunno, if I want to play in the setting with no wargear options I can just play Legions Imperialis.

Also taaaanks
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:46:02 AM No.96093013
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>>96092956
This is a part of my collection that I used in a 4k game.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:46:24 AM No.96093015
30k Iron Warriors
30k Iron Warriors
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>>96092985
>do you plan to bring all 3 of those Vindicators
Yes and always
>into 3.0
Really depends on what my local is playing. Can't really play 2.0 if everyone is playing 3.0 and can't play 3.0 if everyone is playing 2.0. The only thing I really care about is getting a 3rd land raider and some mk2 guys since I want my army to be as cross compatible with 40k as possible.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:47:22 AM No.96093023
colchisan test model.jpg
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>>96092956
posted last thread but think I'm sticking with word bearers + colchisans
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:48:16 AM No.96093030
Saw a post on reddit from someone who got his hands on the MK2 marines already.
He said they do not have vambraces on the sprue like the MK3 ones do for the weapon upgrades.
That is a bit concerning as the arms will look noticeably difference.
Replies: >>96093067
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:52:30 AM No.96093055
Long shot, but anyone know where I can get left handed combi-bolters without 3d printing? I want to use the old deathwing maces as the thunder hammers for my cataphractii command squad, but they're all right handed
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:52:50 AM No.96093058
just to suffer
just to suffer
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>>96092840 (OP)
If it wasn't for wargear changes making units boring, useless or non-existent, I'd actually be pretty much fine with everything. The new edition rules, as autistically precise as they've been written, are workable. As shoehorned the status effects are they encourage using different sorts of equipment. Artificer tanking is gone though the ramifications of eliminating so much AP2 is gonna be felt. List building might be weird but prime slot benefits are actually pretty neat.
But actually making models is fucking boring now and so much of my army is gone why would I bother anymore?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:54:54 AM No.96093067
>>96093030
>That is a bit concerning as the arms will look noticeably difference.
So... the arms that aren't the same design as any existing armour might not look like any existing armour?
I'm shocked.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:56:41 AM No.96093080
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>>96093058
>are workable.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:57:19 AM No.96093083
>>96092941
Illiterate niggas
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:58:32 AM No.96093091
>>96093080
Not an argument
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:59:13 AM No.96093095
okay
okay
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>>96093080
Workable. Maybe not OSHA compliant but still workable.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:03:03 AM No.96093119
>>96092909
From what Iโ€™ve heard from the few snippets of legacy leaks floating around in the warp, everythingโ€™s returning thatโ€™s not absurd like large vehicles that need lots of kitbashing
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:05:16 AM No.96093135
>>96093091
All the issues have been posted ad nauseum round here and I've seen next to no cohesive arguments with them. If they got no real discussion then, I don't expect any now.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:06:36 AM No.96093142
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>recently had a meme event where we brought the dick-kickiest army we could, ignoring force org
>what I came up with was:
>10 plasma myrms with an archmagos and magos malagra to give preferred enemy and monster hunter
>4 assorted thanatars with a few tech priest wranglers
>raven guard primus medicae with infravisor to give the myrms a FNP and nightvision
>night lord delegatus for terror assault
>2 preysight+helical lascannon boxnoughts
>rest of the points with thallax
>opponents had to score our army from 1-10 based on how unfun it was to fight against
>tfw got an almost perfect 10 average
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:11:50 AM No.96093177
>>96093119
The only people that have seen legacies doc is GW corporate employees, and they aren't going to be leaking things.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:14:28 AM No.96093185
>>96093177
They do just not loudly and itโ€™s certainly not large leaks
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:15:47 AM No.96093191
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>>96092840 (OP)
>What would it take for you to accept 3.0?

Not a single gw miniature in my group.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:16:43 AM No.96093201
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So, is it true that you can take a Warlord detachment without tax, besides playing at 3000 pts? I'm not bringing a Primarch.
Bringing a Retinue + Land Raider without needing a Consul + Logistical sounds pretty neat.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:19:03 AM No.96093209
>>96093191
>BRO just buy a $5000 printer it's so cheap!
>also btw your printed minis will start shattering after 3 years but who cares!
Replies: >>96093216
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:19:31 AM No.96093214
>>96093142
You had three factions? It does sound bad though
>>raven guard primus medicae with infravisor to give the myrms a FNP and nightvision
Can one do that in 3.0? Attach a character to a unit from a different faction
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:19:49 AM No.96093216
>>96093209
both are untrue and cope.
Replies: >>96093881
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:20:52 AM No.96093221
>>96093201
Yes yes that is obviously possible you don't need to post it six times a thread
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:22:11 AM No.96093233
I've been lurking in the threads for a while now, (mostly to see people's minis) but I've also gotten interested in starting an army myself. I know my local has a discounted copy of HH second edition, would that be a good place to start?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:23:12 AM No.96093238
>>96093233
>new edition just came out
>should I buy last edition's rulebook
no
wahapedia has the entire 2nd edition ruleset
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:25:07 AM No.96093246
>>96093238
Should've specified that I'm talking about the starter set, not the rulebook by itself.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:25:15 AM No.96093247
>>96093238
Anon they don't even have siege of cthonia fully in what the fuck are you taking about
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:26:31 AM No.96093257
>>96093246
oh yeah, that's a good starter set at a discount
>>96093247
they don't? I thought they added it ages ago
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:28:04 AM No.96093264
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Building 20 Heavy Support Marines isnโ€™t about being meta or being fluffy, itโ€™s about sending a message. Everything burns.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:28:14 AM No.96093265
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What's the Prime you see yourself using the most?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:28:18 AM No.96093266
>>96093191
based
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:28:35 AM No.96093269
>>96093233
Depends on if there's a 2.0 community around you
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:30:32 AM No.96093280
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>>96092956
Nice army Iron chad
Replies: >>96093288
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:31:03 AM No.96093283
>>96093246
yeah the box is a great deal
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:31:29 AM No.96093287
TheBoycottGWGuide
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>>96093191
At least repost the fullsize image
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:31:33 AM No.96093288
>>96093013
Hello see this post >>96093280
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:31:43 AM No.96093291
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>>96092840 (OP)
Where are people getting their MK.IIs early from?

Also WHERE ARE MY SOLAR LEAKS?!
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:31:56 AM No.96093292
>>96092956
isnt this a 40k army
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:33:25 AM No.96093302
>>96092906
Show sold out for popular websites, not eBay. Scalpers inflate those numbers, it's probably a quarter of that. I think warpfire and another popular site sold out.
Replies: >>96093313
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:33:41 AM No.96093304
>>96093291
>WHERE ARE MY SOLAR LEAKS?!
in the toilet
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:34:26 AM No.96093308
>>96093265
none i will play 2.0
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:34:33 AM No.96093309
>>96093287
Are we just admit this is a reddit invasion already
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:34:43 AM No.96093312
>>96093291
Google MKII DMS, and MKII LoggyK.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:35:00 AM No.96093313
>>96093302
warpfire only ever gets 5. I think skaventide was the only exception for that though.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:36:06 AM No.96093316
>>96093265
Logistical Benefit

I don't have many HQ choices, I don't want to take many HQ choices. And it very helpfully cuts out the book keeping of which units in my army have different stats than the identical unit next to it.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:36:13 AM No.96093317
>>96093265
Combat vets. +2 to WP for TS is just gravy.
Replies: >>96094598
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:37:11 AM No.96093321
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>>96093292
It's an age of sigmar army.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:37:42 AM No.96093326
>>96093321
based. Cant wait to see you play them as khadrons or chorfs.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:40:53 AM No.96093339
>>96093321
Shut up, frogposting faggot.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:45:04 AM No.96093353
>>96093321
I thought avatarfagging wasn't allowed
Replies: >>96093385
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:54:02 AM No.96093383
>>96093233
Its good value for the miniatures, so yes.
Also there is a not small chance you may end up playing 2.0 at some point anyway, so the rulebook isn't bad to have.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:55:02 AM No.96093385
ree
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>>96093353
>one frog is avatarfagging
Replies: >>96093584
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:04:52 AM No.96093422
Heresy Dark Angel
Heresy Dark Angel
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>Calibanite Warblades finally look like a good weapon
>Strictly Superior to Power Axes
>Terranic Greatsword is still better
>Master Sergeant Prime lets Sergeants take Terranic Greatswords
>Costs as much as a Power Fist/Thunder Hammer
>So do Terranic Greatswords
>Apothecaries can't take them anymore
RiP Warblades, a decent statline with no niche.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:06:04 AM No.96093429
>>96093265
Unnatural resilience, for Eternal Warrior 2. Rather, I don't know who I'll put it on. Siege Breaker, I guess
Replies: >>96095312
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:07:57 AM No.96093442
>>96093422
Ehh apothecaries look weird this edition. Theyโ€™re donโ€™t really look worth taking no matter what unless youโ€™re particularly worried about a unit failing status checks
Replies: >>96093449 >>96093500 >>96093573 >>96095271
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:08:47 AM No.96093445
>>96093422
>>Master Sergeant Prime lets Sergeants take Terranic Greatswords
You can only have one Master Sergeant >>96093265 says it may only be taken once per detachment
Replies: >>96093448 >>96093465 >>96094838
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:10:19 AM No.96093448
>>96093265
>>96093445
NOOOOOOOOOOO THE STORMWING LIST
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:10:24 AM No.96093449
>>96093442
Don't they reduce incoming damage by 1 (up to 0) on a 4+ or something? That can just nullify small arms
Replies: >>96093460 >>96093947
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:13:00 AM No.96093460
>>96093449
you have to spend a reaction to do that
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:13:13 AM No.96093465
>>96093445
It's still competing with Fist/Hammer though, and I'm not sure it's worth trading the S, D, and AP for speed. Maybe for a Terminator Sergeant where you actually save a few points by taking it.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:14:35 AM No.96093474
d47e9f055ffd3fc974c3f9282d09591b
d47e9f055ffd3fc974c3f9282d09591b
md5: 6a235667141bf352b48b0c5620818f05๐Ÿ”
>>96093422
>>Calibanite Warblades finally look like a good weapon
>>Strictly Superior to Power Axes
I eye other legions' weapons and I get green with envy. For +10 pts wish I could swap Reaping 2 for Shred 6+ or something idk
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:19:52 AM No.96093500
>>96093442
They put an extra power fist in a squad. That's good enough for me.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:22:10 AM No.96093513
Is it me or did TS get a good glow up?
Replies: >>96093539 >>96093770 >>96095354
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:25:31 AM No.96093526
47thcompany
47thcompany
md5: 8ad863b44a94d816dd4e84d203604b2f๐Ÿ”
>>96092956
really nice collection of iron warriors!

this is what i've got in my ultramarines so far (plus a leviathan that i finished after the photo)
Replies: >>96093603 >>96093710 >>96094124 >>96094338 >>96094360 >>96095102 >>96095345
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:26:55 AM No.96093536
you came to the wrong neighborhood
you came to the wrong neighborhood
md5: d5252a74606eb8594d338975fa8b1881๐Ÿ”
>>96092840 (OP)
An actual book, with an actual army list and actual minis to go with it.
Replies: >>96093554 >>96093564
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:27:09 AM No.96093539
100_1268
100_1268
md5: b81fcdbd77c6d19e650543e49dc44f27๐Ÿ”
>>96093513
TS are pretty great, yeah. Not only are they getting a shit ton of cool combos to work with but Sehkmet are great again with more wargear than they had before on top of FINALLY having rules for kohpesh blades that are actually quite good.
Their prime advantage is an odd choice with flying space marines but that's just good fun.
Replies: >>96093684 >>96093766
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:30:54 AM No.96093554
>>96093536

Let's be real here dude, nobody gives a fuck about Sisters of Silence. They've got female Custodes now, what do you want?
Replies: >>96096729
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:34:17 AM No.96093564
>>96093536
Iโ€™m gonna tattoo their forehead with the mark of tzeentch with my ass
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:37:19 AM No.96093571
Does anyone have the PDFs for the 1.0 books? I only have the first Legions book.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:37:52 AM No.96093573
>>96093442
They can't take combi-weapons anymore, so I couldn't take most of mine if I wanted to.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:40:49 AM No.96093584
>>96093385
if its the same one every thread then yeah. Anons gotta diversify
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:44:44 AM No.96093603
1535471439482
1535471439482
md5: 8b37a7973a5a59d1ad4567a29406ae8f๐Ÿ”
>>96093526
Nice army. How did you weather it?
Replies: >>96093705 >>96093732
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:01:54 AM No.96093668
20250714_215922
20250714_215922
md5: 50a4807c4798dc8534238d408d6091cf๐Ÿ”
Continuing work on my volkite myrmidons despite them losing rules, weird how that was the impetus to get me focused on painting them again
Replies: >>96093675 >>96093719 >>96095365
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:03:46 AM No.96093675
>>96093668
Such fortitude.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:05:52 AM No.96093684
>>96093539
This model is twice as illegal as it was in 2.0
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:09:55 AM No.96093696
waiting
waiting
md5: 8c83d1ad61d23c783a8f58fd509717c0๐Ÿ”
>>96093291
Replies: >>96093720
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:10:04 AM No.96093698
>>96092840 (OP)
>TQ
They mainly just need to errata back wargear options, but I'm not too worried about that anyway because I'll just give my units whatever gear they have anyway and not care about what 3.0 says
Replies: >>96093722
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:11:45 AM No.96093705
>>96093603
>wojak
>atari
>disco
>rotoscope dance
>metal gear rising
I'm trying to think of how I would explain this gif to someone who hasn't been using social media in the past thirty years, and I'm not sure any explanation wouldn't sound like I'm suffering from apophenia or something.
Replies: >>96093738 >>96093782 >>96097981
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:12:19 AM No.96093709
Can someone post what Shieldwall! (yes, with exclamation mark) advanced reaction does?

It's not i the core, so I assume it's from Libers, but I didn't see it in the leaks.
Replies: >>96093718
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:12:35 AM No.96093710
>>96093526
can you take more photos of that venerable dread?
Replies: >>96093732
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:16:26 AM No.96093718
reactions
reactions
md5: af153289bb8ddd8cd7fd74d29bea5b87๐Ÿ”
>>96093709
Replies: >>96093729 >>96093800
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:16:30 AM No.96093719
Neat Bender
Neat Bender
md5: 674b573f63599bae41a59c913a1c0bc6๐Ÿ”
>>96093668
Cool.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:16:31 AM No.96093720
>>96093696
>>96093291
Not a fan of shilling, but if you really are that desperate, there's this page https://spruesandbrews.com/2025/07/12/liber-auxilia-review-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-3rd-edition/
I don't know who they are or who you have a grudge against, so if you don't like them, don't clic lol
>>96092840 (OP)
Hey OP, I think you missed the Mechanicum Imgur?
https://imgur.com/a/lRaqKSw
Replies: >>96093805
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:17:29 AM No.96093722
>>96093698
My group took one look at the wargear restrictions and said lol no, any of the consuls can take a termie armor or jump pack for 20 points or a bike or jetbike for 30 points, and all legion units can just copy whatever weapon options their command squad equivalent has with fixed tartaros Terminator melee weapon access. We all actually like the core rules changes we just think GW can go fuck themselves with boxlock and AI written drivel.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:20:44 AM No.96093729
>>96093718

Thanks. IF Cataphracts changing combi-bolters for shields to gain 4++ and Heavy trait they already had sounded like lunacy even for 0 points, but with reaction it's more of a sidegrade
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:21:48 AM No.96093732
IMG_20230921_133030_(1501_x_1500_pixel)
IMG_20230921_133030_(1501_x_1500_pixel)
md5: f31fe30f604de37c8db0f2f86f937d57๐Ÿ”
>>96093603
thanku! I paint all the chipping by hand, and then mostly use oils and some pigment powders around the feet/tank treads.
>>96093710
here U go :)
his name is ancient garamond, he's a terran veteran
Replies: >>96095126
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:22:17 AM No.96093738
>>96093705
>Hey remember the disco music you used to dance to in your 20s, 50 years ago? Look at this funny pic hahaha!
>Of course I can help you send it to your friends, gramps
Replies: >>96096751 >>96097981
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:28:02 AM No.96093758
Roboco mouse
Roboco mouse
md5: c0ede8708f62440acda1ffb15ed78b4b๐Ÿ”
>Excited to run aethon and hermes sentinel marching parade
>Just hit me that they're probably gonna still suffer from the same leadership/falling back issues they had in 2.0
man
Replies: >>96093930
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:30:32 AM No.96093766
>>96093539
But unfortunately no Praetor Punchy in 3.0. Not that number of fists matters mechanically.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:31:05 AM No.96093770
>>96093513
the biggest strength of Thousand Sons is no non-TS player will ever have a clue what your army can do because nobody else is bothering with the 6 core psychic disciplines plus your half a dozen random TS psychic special rules.

"Fugayzi, fugazi, it's a whazy, it's a woozie, it's fairy dust. It doesn't exist. It's never landed. It is no matter, it is not on the elemental chart. It's not real." - 30k player looking at TS rules
Replies: >>96093804
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:33:12 AM No.96093782
>>96093705
It's a video of guy disco dancing surrounded by a bunch of pop culture references.
Replies: >>96096751 >>96097981
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:36:29 AM No.96093800
image_2025-07-14_233617126
image_2025-07-14_233617126
md5: 8caaa11c1b717e2b8506e0043fd08fa0๐Ÿ”
>>96093718
On one side, I actually like Shieldwall. It is something a unit with shields would do, but making it a Reaction limits how many you can activate at the same time
On the other hand, it means we are in early stage 8thfication
Replies: >>96093837
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:37:27 AM No.96093804
>>96093770
Divination seems quite solid. Too bad the Emperor banned the use of Psykers at Nikaea.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:37:29 AM No.96093805
>>96093720
>Hey OP, I think you missed the Mechanicum Imgur?
Is there one for Space Marines?
Replies: >>96093830
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:43:55 AM No.96093830
>>96093805
>he wasn't in on the liber astartes trading card game action
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:45:47 AM No.96093837
>>96093800
Sorry sir, another unit on the otherside of the board activated the neurons in their apothecaries brain, so you're gonna have to just stand there slackjawed as you get charged and killed instead of holding your shields up.
Replies: >>96093883
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:55:50 AM No.96093881
>>96093216
That imagine is unironically proposing that you buy a jewelry or dental scanner which do cost multiple thousands of dollars. An interoral scanner would actually be pretty much ideal, but they're like $3000 minimum.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:56:26 AM No.96093883
image_2025-07-14_235621809
image_2025-07-14_235621809
md5: 6f94a178b45bcfd585643f0575496025๐Ÿ”
>>96093837
>1 Reaction base
>1 Reaction from playing a 3000 pts game
>1 Reaction from a Praetor
>1 Reaction from a Special Assignment Praetor
>1 Reaction from a Command & Control squad
>1 Reaction from being Ultramarines
I'm going to push the reaction system to its breaking point!
Replies: >>96093911
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:06:46 AM No.96093911
>>96093883
>only 1 reaction per unit per turn
Yeah good luck with that
Replies: >>96094016
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:13:22 AM No.96093930
>>96093758
Unironically just run the hermes in MSU; splitting them up into duos will make them even more of a pain to kill anyway since it means your opponent will have to waste a unitโ€™s whole shooting attack on at most 2 dickheads instead of wiping out 6 or killing 3 and making the other 3 run away.

The aethon situation is a little more problematic; you really just gotta hope they give them a reasonable cool stat so they donโ€™t shit their pants when someone fires a nemesis bolter at them. Iโ€™d say to run just one instead of a trio of them but assuming the SA hunter killer missiles are gonna be the same as the marine ones the aethon might actually end up being a really good long ranged gun platform if you give them lascannons + HKโ€™s. The 4 turn time limit means weapons being limited kinda doesnโ€™t matter as much so you may as well shill out for the big guns.
Replies: >>96094893
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:16:17 AM No.96093944
>>96092888
Nathaniel Garro (the leaker) has acquired information about the upcoming betrayal (hh3 rules and libers) and has risked his life (being ratted out to GW by Pardo) to warn the faithful loyalists (fans of 30k) of the Warmaster's (James') plot to destroy the Emperor and Holy Terra (our beloved game system).
Replies: >>96094020 >>96094157
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:17:06 AM No.96093947
IMG_1689
IMG_1689
md5: 90f9fb3541c591d0f398b5c54441dd7c๐Ÿ”
>>96093449
On one wound unfortunately. Itโ€™s kinda insane how shit it is. I get the other ability tries to balance it out but it doesnโ€™t do it well
Replies: >>96094147
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:39:14 AM No.96094016
>>96093911
Why does everyone assume I'm going to use 3 reactions on the same unit on the same phase? I bet it's the same guy.
No, anon. I am highlighting the fact that everyone outright bitched about the evils of two Return Fires and a single Overwatch per turn, and I would get to do maybe three of each.
Probably 2 of each and some two other reactions, more likely, as the counter to that is to focus a unit to death like it was necrons
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:40:44 AM No.96094020
>>96093944
The Rules Drop Massacre will go down in wargaming history
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:06:25 AM No.96094074
Soup
Soup
md5: a9269aa1a9648b54e537b79203e3816c๐Ÿ”
>send out a fairly generic email about the box to several of my LGS
>all of them respond within the hour, and all of them use the same wording despite me normally being on first-name basis with several of the stores
I think the pressure is on them now, when they realize they've been dealt bad product.

Btw the statement is, paraphrased: We have received multiple messages about this and are investigating. Anyone who wishes to return their Saturnine box, regardless of opened or not, can do so as long as you have a proof of purchase (receipt).
Replies: >>96094132 >>96094135 >>96094168 >>96094357
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:18:48 AM No.96094124
>>96092956
>>96093013
>>96093526
>>96092961

Great models lads, keep em coming!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:21:07 AM No.96094132
>>96094074
GW would have been better off with a 1 week preorder window, 2 weeks is enough that many customers will wake the fuck up and cancel their preorder because GW are cocksuckers and don't deserve to be paid.
Replies: >>96094408
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:21:57 AM No.96094135
>>96094074
>ask about refund policy
>get reply about refund policy

So this is the power of 150 IQ autists
Replies: >>96094408
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:23:22 AM No.96094142
Does the allies chart even exist in 3.0?
Replies: >>96094175 >>96094244
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:25:46 AM No.96094147
>>96093947
This seems like it's on a "per model" basis. Like you could allocate to one model, make the recovery roll, and if damage is reduced, you assign the next hit to a different model, and can thus keep making recovery tests until you run out of models.
Replies: >>96095394
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:31:00 AM No.96094157
>>96093944
>shillguinius knew about the coming death and the end of the game weeks before the normie, but still gave up all of his dignity to puppet for the dictator, even knowing it would destroy his reputation
>the angel of copeshill sauntered up to the Warmaster, who was working to free us from GW's dictatorship by breaking the cycle. Shillguinius darts around in the air as fast as he can, trying to rat the Warmaster out and go on reddits and discords and try to ban everyone "for being negative"
>The Warmaster used his mastery of 5dimensional space (3d printing) to move faster than the laws of physics allow and snatch shillguinius from the sky
>Shillguinius cried out in pain as he struck at the Warmaster "why are you killing my game?"
>A sudden clarity came to the Warmaster's eyes. "For the Ligma"
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:35:33 AM No.96094168
>>96094074
As someone who has to send emails regularly at work, often to people I know on a first name basis, I can tell you that I have not, nor will I ever, type anything but a generic response.
Replies: >>96094408
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:36:12 AM No.96094175
>>96094142
I don't think so, that's another strike against HH3.0
>Vulkan capable of liking Night Lords skinning civs alive
>Morty being friends with Thousand Sons wizards
>Lorgar having any friends at all
Immersion destroyed.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:53:01 AM No.96094234
Ignoring all the missing options, after watching more batreps I'm liking 3.0 less and less. Sucks bc I like some of the new rules like fliers, but I honestly prefer 2.0. Now I gotta work a community update for 2.0 that my friends will actually wanna play. Ughhhhh
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:55:32 AM No.96094244
>>96094142

Allies are not core rules. Please wait for Tactical Journal #15: Back to Beta-Garmon where beta rules will be available for the low cost of ยฃ14.99 plus tip.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:56:04 AM No.96094247
1683591527926007
1683591527926007
md5: 9792d656dffa1f088ba38e11859a881c๐Ÿ”
>>96092840 (OP)
Hi fellas, I'm a bit behind on the leaks, what's this about a new consul type?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:07:59 AM No.96094291
How are we feeling about drop pods? Is steel rain still possible without row?
Replies: >>96094294 >>96094295
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:08:47 AM No.96094294
>>96094291
>1 deepstrike a turn max
you tell me
Replies: >>96094297
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:09:11 AM No.96094295
>>96094291
I have not seen a single leak that would suggest you can deep strike more than one thing a turn still
Replies: >>96094297 >>96095375
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:10:00 AM No.96094297
you-guys-remember-when-dr-doom-cried-about-9-11-v0-60w7m8rkcwlb1
>>96094294
>>96094295
This edition is now unplayable.
Replies: >>96094306
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:12:33 AM No.96094306
>>96094297
Hasn't Doom committed genocides?

Also please elaborate on how this edition is unplayable.
Replies: >>96094315 >>96095272 >>96100508
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:16:35 AM No.96094315
>>96094306
My army is drop pod assault, this is my 911, hence the meme.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:22:07 AM No.96094338
>>96093526
>leave 40k for HH
>play fucking ultramarines
Why do people do this?
Replies: >>96094360 >>96094387 >>96094399 >>96097141
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:26:57 AM No.96094357
>>96094074
This post has lying fag written all over it

> that multiple LGSes would respond to a nitwit who doesn't actually have a preorder and is Just Asking Questions
> that you would risk your reputation at places who "know you by name"
> that knowing someone's first name means you can identify them by firstname+lastname in an email
> that you didn't post the boilerplate reply you got (too lazy to go as far as writing one for your larp)
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:27:49 AM No.96094360
>>96094338
Ultramarines in 30k are way cooler.
>>96093526
How did you make the rocky based of your characters? They look baller.
Replies: >>96097824
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:32:01 AM No.96094375
126107b4-4326-410d-9e7e-3e68de2d9a0e
126107b4-4326-410d-9e7e-3e68de2d9a0e
md5: e394b56104c0d62b292bba332263fd2a๐Ÿ”
>>96092956
Finished these dudes yesterday.
Replies: >>96094398 >>96100643 >>96101292
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:32:08 AM No.96094377
IMG_20250714_004522
IMG_20250714_004522
md5: 7d92ae3e2d61dd5eba640d6da6cdab47๐Ÿ”
>>96092956
I want to finish this thing soon
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:33:19 AM No.96094387
>>96094338
40K is no longer a wargame. A person who enjoys playing wargames would enjoy HH more than 40K no matter what army they use or what colour it's painted.
Replies: >>96094439
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:34:26 AM No.96094398
>>96094375
Drill your barrels big dog
Replies: >>96094407
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:34:30 AM No.96094399
>>96094338
They look really good in 30k, especially the way he painted them. The designers did a really good job at mixing the roman elements with retro sci-fi. I'd ask your question about Blood Angels though, neither the 30k nor the 40k version works for me anymore. I think they look best in mk7 with an oldhammer paintjob and death company support.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:36:54 AM No.96094407
bdd
bdd
md5: 6215a20a2af0ef2285988a340447da3b๐Ÿ”
>>96094398
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:36:55 AM No.96094408
>>96094132
Agreed. My impression is that this is what's happening.
>>96094135
I didn't ask them about the refund policy, they responded with it. Normally they don't allow returns of opened boxes.
>>96094168
I've known several of the people I contacted for over fifteen years, and their tone in emails is usually quite different. It would seem that they're sticking to a script on this one.
Replies: >>96094423 >>96094425 >>96094532
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:40:44 AM No.96094418
>>96092840 (OP)
>TQ
Ive already accepted it

I play SoH
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:42:01 AM No.96094423
>>96094408

I work at an LGS and there hasn't really been any refunds. I canceled my preorder, but I haven't paid for anything yet.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:42:03 AM No.96094425
>>96094408
pure fagitprop
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:46:32 AM No.96094439
>>96094387
HH3 certainly isn't a wargame, circles on the ground, fake 'good boy points' and 4 turn matches. It's faker than pro wrestling.
Replies: >>96094443
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:47:23 AM No.96094441
soh shelf 1
soh shelf 1
md5: b87f0e9c51689a3ad441b6cdbb23b818๐Ÿ”
>>96092956
Some of my boys

>tfw I need to convert like 1/3 of them
Replies: >>96095102
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:47:45 AM No.96094443
>>96094439
Cool, but nobody in this thread has ever played HH3, including the guy who posted his Ultramarines
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:49:48 AM No.96094448
1752316411442535
1752316411442535
md5: bfadbbc93dd665638631458f24e487b8๐Ÿ”
Remember: thirdies are always trying to muddy the waters and shillpost whenever they find the opportunity. Anyone making glib remarks about the wargaming community as a whole is not one of us, and never will be. These are the kinds of leeches who will suck up to any entity they see as greater than them, which is why we have such an infestation of "influencers" who try to astroturf and copepost about the new edition. Fuck Pardo, and anyone else who swallows this slop with a smile on their face.
Replies: >>96094462 >>96094464 >>96094471 >>96094477 >>96094508 >>96094619 >>96095906
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:52:50 AM No.96094462
>>96094448
Extremely gay looking kid's toy models. Why would you buy those, or truck with a game system that includes them?

Just your bad taste, from a life of experiencing nothing?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:53:08 AM No.96094464
>>96094448
So, how many saturnine boxes have you ordered..? :D
Replies: >>96094468 >>96094479
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:55:03 AM No.96094468
Risitas
Risitas
md5: fce4b0d70a8a18ac3284d511a75265f1๐Ÿ”
>>96094464
Two.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:55:17 AM No.96094471
>>96094448
it's truly amazing how shit heavy bolters look without the ammo belt mechanism. The second they switched to gay soda-cans or happymeal boxes underneath heavy bolters I never equipped one again.
Replies: >>96094488
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:57:16 AM No.96094477
>>96094448
What's with the one of the left? Discontinued Moritat variant?
Replies: >>96095906
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:57:55 AM No.96094479
>>96094464
the numbers on 3rd party websites are actually increasing. More people have gotten a refund than bought saturnine in the last week here. GW is gonna have to fire you.
Replies: >>96094561
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:00:12 AM No.96094488
Space Wolves_Thomas Elliott
Space Wolves_Thomas Elliott
md5: 4c5164acea8e1de48230bddd8f459014๐Ÿ”
>>96094471
An old metal Devastator was what got me into this game back in the nineties. Peak Warhammer.
Replies: >>96094502 >>96094506 >>96094574
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:03:28 AM No.96094502
>>96094488
You made me remember assembling those metal Devs and I had a 'lil panic attack
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:04:14 AM No.96094506
>>96094488
I love good art so damn much. I was deeply concerned when I heard that Karl Kopinski fell ill, but he seems to be doing better. Call it parasocial, but the loss of an artist is always a tragedy in my opinion.
Replies: >>96094574
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:05:03 AM No.96094508
>>96094448
>bolter with supressor/silencer

This is gay tacticool shit from 40k, get out of here
Replies: >>96094527
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:09:19 AM No.96094527
>>96094508
Gay tacticool shit is explicitly 30k-only. The eliminator sniper squad in 40k primarily just shoots renamed Lascannons and are basically just another devastator squad. 30k is the one with tacticool-wannabe recon squads, tactical-wannable headhunter squads, and tacticool-wannabe scout squads and tacticool-wannabe seeker squads and tactical-wannabe mor gaythanu. Half the shit in-game has access to nemesis bolters despite them being utterly irrelevant in the lore.
Replies: >>96094570
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:11:32 AM No.96094532
>>96094408
The box isn't even released yet so how would you have an opened one?
Replies: >>96094538 >>96094587
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:14:11 AM No.96094538
>>96094532
boxes are mailed to stores way before 'launch day', stores just sell them weeks ahead of time, if GW finds out they get pissy.
Sorry you're not friends with any store owners.
Replies: >>96094559 >>96094876
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:19:12 AM No.96094557
FulgrimExtraWide
FulgrimExtraWide
md5: 572262dfdf77a9e2f0a7a20cb2372963๐Ÿ”
If somebody have PICTURES with Master of the Legion, Firestorm, Void Shields, Shock please post them or direct me where can i find them. Please.
Replies: >>96094632 >>96094641 >>96094646 >>96094714 >>96094722 >>96094728
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:19:48 AM No.96094559
>>96094538

Post pix of open box
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:19:54 AM No.96094561
>>96094479
Numbers increasing on some rando shop you probably made up yourself.

Can you get data from all the thousands of shops around the world please, then we'll talk.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:22:22 AM No.96094570
>>96094527
Supressor/Silencer on Recon/Sniper unit

VS

Supressor/Silencer on a dishonoured gunslinger with a death wish

yeah
nah
that gear on moritat is gay
Replies: >>96095314
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:22:59 AM No.96094571
scalping
scalping
md5: 38faa41b63e9b65508ce704b3649f65d๐Ÿ”
holy shit I'm getting 40 marines and the centurion for free with ยฃ40 extra profit after selling the singles.
Replies: >>96094583 >>96094591 >>96094643
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:23:46 AM No.96094574
>>96094488
>>96094506
Kopinski was the one that did the science-fantasy grimdark artwork as one of the best, shell casings for heavy bolters that are believeable, cool little details all over the place, creating characters who look hard as fuck with perfect expressions.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:27:50 AM No.96094580
>>96093177
Anon all leaks come from GW
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:28:56 AM No.96094583
>>96094571
>he doesn't know
Get back to us how it went, friend.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:30:01 AM No.96094587
>>96094532
I assume he meant "even if it has been opened", as in after release.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:31:22 AM No.96094591
file
file
md5: a45fddc26f1fa06f93f303b4d2f4a361๐Ÿ”
>>96094571
you should buy more boxes then, anon
it's like an infinite mk2 glitch, right?
Replies: >>96094596 >>96094645
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:32:52 AM No.96094596
>>96094591
Hah, not falling for your middle-eastern tricks that easily.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:33:03 AM No.96094598
>>96093317
That's pretty goodnon normal librarians too honeslty
Don't think it was intentional
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:35:10 AM No.96094607
How about stacking? IF gambit says it gives Eternal Warrior (1). Would that stack with Sigismunt EW(1) rule? Probably not, trying to find a reference in the rules about stacking and I can't
Replies: >>96094633
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:38:59 AM No.96094619
>>96094448
The fact they never released the bolt pistol moritat is such a god damn tragedy.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:41:26 AM No.96094632
>>96094557
also Rapid Tracking we don't have a picture of that rule as well
Replies: >>96094912
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:41:28 AM No.96094633
>>96094607
Rules usually specify what happens if the model already has them
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:44:03 AM No.96094641
>>96094557
Shock is in the imgur I'm pretty sure. It applies the status in brakets to vehicles automatically
Firestorm lets you do vollyfire at full ballistic skill and, if you are charging, not go through with rolling to charge after doing them without suffering the status effect. Don't have it at hand tho
Replies: >>96094652 >>96094720
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:44:25 AM No.96094643
>>96094571
Woah infinite money glitch!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:45:02 AM No.96094645
>>96094591
I feel like two boxes is bordering on support for the edition, I'm just happy if my ยฃ150 gets me 40 marines, a centurion, four rhinos, a fellblade and a contemptor.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:45:04 AM No.96094646
>>96094557
MotL is +1 reaction allotment
Replies: >>96094655
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:45:27 AM No.96094648
CathayWScars
CathayWScars
md5: 7415ed23630cb0e17dc9a123270335eb๐Ÿ”
Cathay weapons for White Scars, what do you think?
Replies: >>96094656 >>96094657 >>96094669 >>96094687
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:46:01 AM No.96094652
>>96094641
thank you, I just want to get pics to, you know, make anOP a bit better.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:47:02 AM No.96094655
>>96094646
thank you, i just need pics.
Replies: >>96095326
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:48:02 AM No.96094656
>>96094648
Could definitely work. Might want to model on the power cable with greenstuff but definitely viable and cool looking.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:48:06 AM No.96094657
>>96094648
I think putting sci fi rebreathers and rifles on those infantry will make some kino Chogorian solar aux, but it's too expensive for me to properly entertain the idea as a project
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:51:46 AM No.96094669
dc
dc
md5: 5e415772a5fd857a74913b98dedbcf30๐Ÿ”
>>96094648
That gives me an idea...
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:53:36 AM No.96094676
What do you guys think a good thematic command slot choice would be for a Rangdan xenocides themed alpha legion army? I'm leaning towards either a moritat to go with my volkite angels tears or a siege breaker and some rapiers
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:57:09 AM No.96094687
>>96094648
just be careful, lotta WS guys go too hard on the weeb, those bits are sick but if you put too many dragons on stuff it'll become too chinese
Replies: >>96094721 >>96094738 >>96094878
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:04:29 PM No.96094712
Back from a two week trip. I heard we hating on the new rules, can anyone sum up what went down for me?
Replies: >>96094717
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:05:37 PM No.96094714
7 - 5LVgCyA
7 - 5LVgCyA
md5: 99513f0d3fd9ecb234f7619e74be0a15๐Ÿ”
>>96094557
I don't know how to post pictures, I'm trying
Firestorm
Replies: >>96094725 >>96094780 >>96095434
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:06:27 PM No.96094717
>>96094712
I was there... when james goyslop killed the Horus Heresy...
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:07:11 PM No.96094718
If I give in to my hobby goblin and made an allied detachment of solar aux for my space wolves, how should I fenris them?

I have loads of wolf tails from over the years of collecting (no i won't add them as butt plugs) but that's not much to go on. And a few knives in the leather will be okay too.

How do i make it more interesting?
Replies: >>96094744
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:07:34 PM No.96094720
>>96094641
>Shock is in the imgur I'm pretty sure.
thanks, found it in the mechanicum album
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:08:30 PM No.96094721
>>96094687
Do you think the shields are too much for tank/jetbike decorations?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:08:29 PM No.96094722
14 - 40Swlvk
14 - 40Swlvk
md5: c251320160b5439351eb825007cbaf96๐Ÿ”
>>96094557
Shock
Replies: >>96094730 >>96094781 >>96101590
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:09:07 PM No.96094725
>>96094714
Thank you very much anon!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:09:33 PM No.96094728
17 - l7hZHHs
17 - l7hZHHs
md5: 0be6f958e00af791d0b89dba9f3bd642๐Ÿ”
>>96094557
Void Shields
Replies: >>96094736 >>96095999
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:10:07 PM No.96094730
>>96094722
yeah i'm taking that picture instead its way better! thank you!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:12:26 PM No.96094736
>>96094728
thanks man thats great!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:12:29 PM No.96094738
60804475-279aa1dcb4e3dc88a6b4864b72a58c28
60804475-279aa1dcb4e3dc88a6b4864b72a58c28
md5: faeae7a2b97b8862ca2ceb28cc189755๐Ÿ”
>>96094687
>but if you put too many dragons on stuff it'll become too chinese
Why? I know they're way more into dragons, but Mongolians have dragons in their mythology and culture as well.

"In Mongolian myths, dragons symbolize the water element, the thunder, the wilderness, the power of the earth and the underworld. For example, if it thunders, myths are the gnashing of the dragon. Lightning strikes when a dragon rises from the sky and spits fire.

According to Mongolian belief, the lunar eclipse is also said to arise when a dragon eats the moon."
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:13:40 PM No.96094743
Anybody knows if Slow and Purposeful gives any bonus or penalty for that matter? Haven't seen that in any leaks. HYYG
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:13:50 PM No.96094744
>>96094718
greenstuff random animal pelts on sergeants and officers
freehand runes on the larger flat-ish surfaces
replace veletarii axe heads with fenrisian axes from the grey slayers kit
glue the shields to your russes' hulls
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:14:39 PM No.96094747
>>96092840 (OP)
>TQ
Nothing.
GW has shown their hand, and I'm not touching this edition, no matter how many pdf and journal "fixes" the staple on.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:14:51 PM No.96094749
Damn, you just posted what I asked, TY
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:15:32 PM No.96094752
Does anyone know what Armour-breaker does? I havent seen the Mech Special rule pages leak yet?
Replies: >>96094759 >>96094768
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:17:44 PM No.96094759
>>96094752
on a successful Armor pen roll of x+, the attack inflicts an additional point of damage iirc
Replies: >>96094780
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:19:10 PM No.96094768
>>96094752
we have mechanicum USRs but not the first page. https://imgur.com/a/lRaqKSw
Replies: >>96094785
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:19:54 PM No.96094774
Without going third-party, which miniatures are the most suitable for representing Alpha Legion Operatives/Saboteurs?
Replies: >>96094778 >>96095161
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:20:55 PM No.96094778
>>96094774
Grand Cathay
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:22:06 PM No.96094780
>>96094759
>>>
> Anonymous 07/15/25(Tue)11:09:07 No.96094725โ–ถ
>>>96094714
>Thank you very much anon!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:22:24 PM No.96094781
20250715_112202
20250715_112202
md5: f5a712b3d14338388e454edf4862b6ba๐Ÿ”
>>96094722
>smack a tank with a corpuscant stave
>inflict 3 status effects
lol
>captcha HHV20
>HH V2.0
ITS A SIGN
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:23:14 PM No.96094785
>>96094768
Amazing, thankyou.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:29:05 PM No.96094809
I can't find the generic legion units in the links, can anyone point me in the right direction? I may just be retarded
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:29:26 PM No.96094811
What does master of the legion guys ?
Replies: >>96094830
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:34:06 PM No.96094826
1752423196063447
1752423196063447
md5: 9a491d39a35e486ba5a510d0b29504ef๐Ÿ”
>>96093265
Spamming combat Veterans for my troop prime slots because the status effects are clearly balanced around marine stats so If I don't my rifle sections won't do a thing all game.

Ultima cohorts get to double up on infantry tericos and each infantry terico has 1 prime slot. I'll take that and leave the non-prime troops unfilled.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:35:54 PM No.96094830
>>96094811
+1 reaction allotment
Replies: >>96094846 >>96094862
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:36:36 PM No.96094836
can anon(s) post that whole thing about goonhammer being shitty, shills and mods of the heresy discord?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:36:42 PM No.96094838
>>96093445
Stormwing aux detachments have prime slots, every stormwing aux you take can have a master sargent.
Replies: >>96094875
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:39:00 PM No.96094846
>>96094830
Stackable if we bring multiple praetors ?!
Replies: >>96094858 >>96094867
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:41:56 PM No.96094858
>>96094846
Yes but you can only bring 1 normally. You'd need to take the special assignment prime benefit to bring another, see >>96093265
And that's costing you the prime advantage on command option and having no extra detachment from that slot
Replies: >>96094867
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:42:27 PM No.96094862
Big brain Baiken main
Big brain Baiken main
md5: e5f6311bf5efaeefdffee71648376600๐Ÿ”
>>96094830
>More reaction shit
The more I see of this edition, the worse it gets.
Replies: >>96094872
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:43:57 PM No.96094867
>>96094846
>>96094858
You can bring any number of allied detachments as long as they are less than 50% of your points
You can bring 10 praetors from 10 different legions to form a power ranger unit that gives you a shit ton of reactions
Replies: >>96094896 >>96096013
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:44:58 PM No.96094872
>>96094862
We start with 1 less than last edition and warlord traits don't exist anymore so it's less than before
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:45:41 PM No.96094875
>>96094838
Yeah so it's not 1 per squad unfortunately
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:45:56 PM No.96094876
>>96094538
Lets see the 'emails' lil bro
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:47:35 PM No.96094878
>>96094687
White Scars are so Chinese they had to get a Chinese guy for the audiobook
Replies: >>96094885 >>96094886
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:48:52 PM No.96094885
>>96094878
Does he have a thick Chinese accent?
Replies: >>96094897 >>96094921
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:50:03 PM No.96094886
>>96094878
That was Nick Mullen
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:51:11 PM No.96094893
Macross_Missiles
Macross_Missiles
md5: 9c59b150078b5278fa2546c570eea718๐Ÿ”
>>96093930
>15 S9 shots turn 1.
>3 S9 shots a turn afterwards
Like 60% of the units potential damage is unloaded in the first turn, lol.
Replies: >>96095026 >>96095055
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:51:51 PM No.96094896
>>96094867
Honestly I don't need that much, I just want to throw orbital bombardment with the conqueror.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:51:56 PM No.96094897
>>96094885
When doing dialog yes
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:54:47 PM No.96094912
>>96094632
>Rapid Tracking
doesn anyone know what it does in 3.0?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:57:21 PM No.96094921
>>96094885
Anon is alluding to Shogo Miyakita, who is British-Japanese. He puts on an Engrish accent when reading White Scars dialogue. And for Katsuhiro. In any case he's good.
Replies: >>96095302
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:11:25 PM No.96094983
Who's Pardo?
Replies: >>96094992 >>96094996
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:13:39 PM No.96094992
pardo
pardo
md5: 0dff5ae701ba20a05da21bf7c429320e๐Ÿ”
>>96094983
>Who's Pardo?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:14:22 PM No.96094996
>>96094983

Pardo the problem
He's a content creator who had foreknowledge of the incoming shitheap and said nothing
Replies: >>96095010 >>96095031
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:20:38 PM No.96095010
puppet-laugh
puppet-laugh
md5: 097ec2c8ca8ca6c6096c1f09527cd566๐Ÿ”
>>96094996
>Pardo the problem
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:25:03 PM No.96095026
IMG_5958
IMG_5958
md5: 3bb6b7248ad0aab112e7dc40ba6877ac๐Ÿ”
>>96094893
Aethon sentinels have 4 hunter killer missiles though. I know weโ€™re doomering about 3.0 or whatever but I doubt that theyโ€™d shorten them down to just counting as a single missile.
Replies: >>96095055 >>96095064
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:27:20 PM No.96095031
>>96094996
Even tried to shut down the leaks warning us of this clusterfuck of an edition.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:27:23 PM No.96095032
How do meet up with /hhg/ to play Heresy with "winner tops" houserules?
Replies: >>96095038 >>96095049
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:27:40 PM No.96095034
60020105008_CadianShockTroopsLead
60020105008_CadianShockTroopsLead
md5: 61cfd1de8ae78c91512c24ab69d48759๐Ÿ”
Are any 40K IG miniatures off limits for HH?
Replies: >>96095042 >>96095052 >>96095061 >>96095066 >>96095069 >>96095085
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:28:42 PM No.96095038
>>96095032
>>96091238
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:29:21 PM No.96095042
>>96095034
There's so fucking many third party options for Militia troops, why would you ever buy that kit from GW?
Replies: >>96095051
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:30:11 PM No.96095049
>>96095032
I had an aneurysm trying to understand what you wrote, what is winner tops?
Replies: >>96095088 >>96095666
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:31:08 PM No.96095051
>>96095042
Who said anything about Militia?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:31:12 PM No.96095052
>>96095034
This man lacks panache. We should send him into the penis explosion chamber immediately.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:31:55 PM No.96095055
IMG_5797
IMG_5797
md5: b711bf5ebb2c4bf34ad39bed0cdc5dd7๐Ÿ”
>>96094893
>>96095026
Never mind I just got what you were saying sorry Iโ€™m retarded, firing off all the missiles at once right. I mean hell itโ€™d make a dent. From 48โ€ away too for both weapons itโ€™s actually an ideal rangeband, plus it means potentially staying out of range of annoying status causing weapons that could scare the walkers. Itโ€™s not like theyโ€™d be able to live until turn 4 so they may as well make a big splash
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:33:21 PM No.96095061
>>96095034
Anything that is not Vostroyan is unacceptable
Replies: >>96095068 >>96095075
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:33:52 PM No.96095064
1752354173929052
1752354173929052
md5: cc33ce0e955f26347b98cdc8544efebe๐Ÿ”
>>96095026
I know that Aethons have four hunter killers, I have an aethon myself tho I gave it the flamethrower and frag missiles.

Is there any reason you can't just shoot all 4 turn 1 in 3.0?

4 hunter killers + 1 lascannon = 5 shots turn 1, a 3 man squad firing all its missiles drops 15 S9 shots into armour turn 1 then your down to just the lascannons the other turns.

That said tho thinking on it 3 aethons in one squad with this loadout is probably overkill. You'd be better off deploying them in pairs.
Replies: >>96095080
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:34:04 PM No.96095065
Feel free to tell me to find it myself but could someone please show me the new herald data sheet
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:34:27 PM No.96095066
>>96095034
Yes.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:35:44 PM No.96095068
Untitled
Untitled
md5: 729bf01365f078477d331537e412fd85๐Ÿ”
>>96095061
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:36:17 PM No.96095069
>>96095034
Nobody really cares about anachronistic lasgun marks or special weapons for Imperial Militia, vehicles are a big deal though. The most glaring problem on the Cadians is the imperialis. Scrape that off and they'll be fine.
Replies: >>96095190 >>96095208
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:37:04 PM No.96095075
1751427227894170m
1751427227894170m
md5: a3671f6de7dcb2b00fc7dda34aee95e3๐Ÿ”
>>96095061
>vostroyan.
>the guys who canonically refused to participate in the heresy.
>not unacceptable.
Replies: >>96095081 >>96095095 >>96096026
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:38:37 PM No.96095080
>>96095064
>Is there any reason you can't just shoot all 4 turn 1 in 3.0?
Nah you can I was just a retard and totally misinterpreted what you were saying. Rules as written walkers can fire all weapons they have, and each hunter killer missiles counts as itโ€™s own weapon so itโ€™s technically possible unless they make the aethon have a unique weapon variant of it or something.
>That said tho thinking on it 3 aethons in one squad with this loadout is probably overkill. You'd be better off deploying them in pairs.
You think? Theyโ€™re likely to be BS3. 10 shots is nice and all, but I wouldnโ€™t even trust a lascannon HSS to be able to take down an armoured unit in one volley this edition. Pairs probably would make them less interesting targets but I feel theyโ€™d be better suited for marine or elite hunting then
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:38:58 PM No.96095081
>>96095075
Every HH depiction of the imperial army had vostroyan asthetics before. That was just standard equipment at the time
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:39:36 PM No.96095085
>>96095034
I'm not playing against that.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:39:40 PM No.96095088
>>96095049
He's a threadshitting nigger from the catalog trying to get (you)s by calling us trannies and gays.
(you)s are the only thing that gives his life meaning, don't give them to him and hopefully he kills himself.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:40:15 PM No.96095095
>>96095075
They still wear Imperial Army uniforms 10'000 years later for that exact reason, in my headcanon at least.
Replies: >>96095356
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:41:33 PM No.96095100
>>96095080
nta but having more smaller units doesn't stop you from shooting at the same target. It just stops that target returning fire to all of your shooters or using smokescreen on all your shots
If you have the slots it's the better option unless bigger units are significantly cheaper
Replies: >>96095132 >>96095149
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:42:54 PM No.96095102
>>96094441
>>96093526
How illegal are these armies?
Replies: >>96095345
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:48:26 PM No.96095126
>>96093732
Simply beautiful.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:49:25 PM No.96095132
>>96095100
I canโ€™t imagine theyโ€™ll be that much cheaper so you have a point. I keep forgetting just how many slots are technically achievable with the new system. I plan on running Solar Aux as allies and even then I can technically squeeze in so much crap even without optimising detachment organisations itโ€™s nuts. I know this was always sorta possible cause of tercioโ€™s but god damn
Replies: >>96095167
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:49:39 PM No.96095133
>>96095080
You hit with 1 lascannon and 4 Hunter killers on average. If you can angle side armour on a Krios or a predator you have decent chances of popping it in one volley, even hitting front armour the missiles will do work.

Does the hunter killer have armourbane? Cos if not you'll probably be glancing whatever you shoot at least once for some conditions even if you don't immediately pop it.

The aethons won't be killing land raiders of course but if they could it would probably be a bad thing.
Replies: >>96095147
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:52:01 PM No.96095140
I have trawled the archived boards for what feels like forever but have come up with nothing. Does anyone have the dreadclaw pod sheet?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:54:31 PM No.96095147
Weapons 6
Weapons 6
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>>96095133
>Does the hunter killer have armourbane? Cos if not you'll probably be glancing whatever you shoot at least once for some conditions even if you don't immediately pop it.
we're making assumptions obviously but assuming it's 1-for-1 the same as the marine HK's? Yeah they're packing armourbane. Lascannons also have armourbane so there is a chance they might be able to crack a land raider on some good rolls, but that also goes for a lot of things. I don't really run the numbers with this type of thing
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:55:01 PM No.96095149
>>96095100
msu is better but in the case of smokescreen, it last for the entire phase so it doesn't matter how many units are shooting at the vehicle
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:55:59 PM No.96095152
received_1031244109078653
received_1031244109078653
md5: 587213710a2759987878d6092aa3ad14๐Ÿ”
Found the herald
How fucking easy would it have been to just give it Vanguard 1
Instead they give it this extra convoluted rule that does the same thing except in extremely specific circumstances and you have to do additional book keeping
Replies: >>96095401 >>96095416
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:57:46 PM No.96095161
>>96094774
Genestealer Cults or Necromunda Scum, but give some of them weirdly high-tech weapons that have been intentionally made to look damaged or in disrepair.
Imagine this: a few shadowy figures running around, too small to be Astartes, but firing melta or plasma weapons from the darkness.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:57:54 PM No.96095163
>>96095147
Are there mechanical differences between missiles and guided missiles? I remember in hh1 that some flyers had chaff launchers which gave them an invul save against missile attacks, is there something similar in hh3, too?
Replies: >>96095212
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:58:31 PM No.96095166
>>96095147
HKs look way too good to let you use more than 1 of them but they let Sabers shoot all 4 so...
Replies: >>96095212
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:58:35 PM No.96095167
>>96095132
https://spruesandbrews.com/2025/07/12/liber-auxilia-review-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-3rd-edition/

This dude talks about Sol Aux datasheets a bit, one of the things he mentions is that the Aethon is 60ppm now but use dread rules now instead of cavalry rules. You can still squad them up tho lol.

The Hermes is 16 ppm, the Hermes Incursus is 20 ppm. There's a new "recon Terico" you can take if you bring a command squad on sentinels which gives you 2 Hermes squads and a squad of Aethons.

You can also take a single Hermes squad in infantry tericos now too in addition to transports and the Rifle sections themselves. Its way easier to fit sentinels in a list now. You can even claim objectives with sentinels in a Recon cohort which is cool.
Replies: >>96095212
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:59:15 PM No.96095170
1723128776606231
1723128776606231
md5: 2d78e9109af638a8c731e961be2d0187๐Ÿ”
He's the only one who is hyped for 3.0 and he doesn't even have a contract with GW
Replies: >>96095292 >>96097202
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:00:16 PM No.96095171
can you charge out of a rhino?
Replies: >>96095212
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:01:23 PM No.96095178
Seeing as I'm sticking with 2.0 I've decided to start doing some homebrew exemplary battles.

Anyone willing to give this a read over?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WZD2ePSdHX_nNeBrW5AGJatRIsQSXZlw/view?usp=drivesdk

Idea was to have a 30k razorback as the original lore for the razorback had it being rediscovered post heresy so I like to think there was a few knocking around on the edges of the galaxy before getting forgotten
Replies: >>96095183 >>96095188
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:01:32 PM No.96095180
8801afsvx0df1
8801afsvx0df1
md5: 5d5b68b2bf5e73acd6248a18e0930c5c๐Ÿ”
Replies: >>96095181 >>96095221 >>96095297
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:03:14 PM No.96095181
>>96095180
Neat artwork, even if it doesn't make any sense.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:03:41 PM No.96095183
>>96095178
A fun little story
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:04:34 PM No.96095188
>>96095178
No need for razorbacks, they just introduced bolting a tarantula weapon battery to a rhino, just use that
Replies: >>96095201
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:05:32 PM No.96095190
>>96095069
>The most glaring problem on the Cadians is the imperialis.

I've seen people say this but the new ones just have a winged skull
Replies: >>96095449
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:07:12 PM No.96095198
Okay are melta bombs in the mechanicum book or am I just missing them in the liber?
Replies: >>96095205
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:07:32 PM No.96095201
PXL_20250707_182942648.MP
PXL_20250707_182942648.MP
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>>96095188
Well yes

But

These are currently sat on my desk
Replies: >>96095217
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:08:15 PM No.96095205
>>96095198
They should be in exotic melee weapons
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:08:52 PM No.96095208
Imperialis_HH_Era
Imperialis_HH_Era
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>>96095069
I keep hearing that the Imperialis wasn't in use during the Horus Heresy.

And yet: "The Imperialis symbol, a winged skull, dates back to the Horus Heresy when it was used by the Loyalist Space Marine Legions and the Imperial Army troopers in recognition of bravery and loss. Later, it became a badge of honour borne by Loyalist units during the Heresy."
Replies: >>96095449
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:09:08 PM No.96095212
1717503865090431
1717503865090431
md5: 60984126945debdd268867443228855c๐Ÿ”
>>96095163
Not sure as of yet honestly
>>96095166
They are still one shot weapons so they aren't super duper broken imo, compared to terminators that can teleport behind you and zap you with a twin disintegrator gun all game
>>96095167
Yeah I've read the article already, it's part of whats got me looking into atheons desu. Something did catch my eye though which was the stipulation that "calvary" models got line in the recon cohort doctrine, not just the hermes lights, which could theoritically mean running the better veletaris variants and granting them objective grabbing along with being able to mass use aethons.
>>96095171
Yeah but it's a disordered charge
Replies: >>96095223 >>96095245 >>96095295
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:09:55 PM No.96095217
>>96095201
Good looking models right there
I didn't mean model wise, I meant lore wise
These already look like tarantulas
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:10:30 PM No.96095221
>>96095180
Does get me thinking why Custodes don't have an equivalence to thunder hammers other than Solarite Gauntlets being close
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:10:54 PM No.96095223
>>96095212
Space Marine 2 was mediocre at best, but watching Cultists literally explode as you ran through them was pretty satisfying.
Replies: >>96095247
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:11:34 PM No.96095226
>>96095147
>HKs are D3 with armourbane.
Yeah you drop 6 damage into AV13 with the hunter killers alone using a pair of aethons, I've been assuming they were D2 all this time Holy moly.

You might not even need the lascannon at that point. Might be better to go Volkite + 4 HKs, use the missiles to annihilate a tank turn one then spend the rest of the game shooting at space marines.

Crunching the numbers the lascannon does less damage over the course of the entire game than the HK salvo does in 1 turn but assuming costs don't change they're both 20 points. Not sure the price is worth it honestly.

...I wonder what the Melta lance is doing in 3.0, currently it gets melta at 18" because of some bullshit about focusing lenses, will they let the Aux have a better multimelta in current edition?
Replies: >>96095269
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:15:22 PM No.96095245
>>96095212
>compared to terminators that can teleport behind you and zap you with a twin disintegrator gun all game
That combo costs 500+ points for 3 of them and they are likely going to lose 1 of 3 terminators the second they shoot. Not counting the interceptor they are going to eat and the possible return fire
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:15:52 PM No.96095247
>>96095223
Primaris really do ruin everything, don't they
Replies: >>96095308
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:23:24 PM No.96095269
>>96095226
Using them as a flex platform like that could be good actually; makes them less of a priority threat too so they might be able to inflict more damage just by virtue of other armoured units with heavier firepower existing. Not sure whatโ€™s going on with the melta, but if itโ€™s still 18โ€ and the aethons movement hasnโ€™t changed it isnt worth it imo, just too dangerous.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:23:35 PM No.96095271
>>96093442
Apothecaries are pretty good for 30pts, 4+ to save a guy is nothing to sniff at. If primus medicae are in the pdf one will go right into my red butchers to combo with their EW(1). Unfortunately, thereโ€™s not much point in putting several across all your units because you can only trigger so many Medic! reactions. I guess you could do something like bring the new command squad and play UM to use it twice for free in each shooting phase.
Replies: >>96095331 >>96096057
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:23:38 PM No.96095272
>>96094306
He's just upset that they missed the Baxter Building. Twice.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:25:25 PM No.96095277
>most of the people who play HH have consciously chosen to play it as a way to keep playing the more complex rules more similar to their preferred edition(s)
>GW does the shrimple not shrimplified thing they did to their current slop editions of 40k and AoS
>GW is surprised when HH players don't eat up the slop
Is that about right?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:28:30 PM No.96095292
>>96095170
If that's the guy that made a channel spin-off for HH it's pretty self explanatory on why.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:28:52 PM No.96095295
>>96095212
Does it being a disordered charge even matter anymore?
I saw that the interdiction cadre prime benefit also only let you use a disordered charge even though they are charging in from a fucking prepared ambush, but I never understood the difference between an disordered and regular charge.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:29:00 PM No.96095297
>>96095180
Great art, top marks no comments
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:30:55 PM No.96095302
>>96094921
>in any case he's good
he's shit. his monotone, disinterested delivery sucks the life out of anything he touches.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:31:56 PM No.96095307
>>96095277
no, when 40k and AoS shrimplified they cut out multiple checks and steps from the game. HH3.0 has added even more checks and steps. The problem with this edition is that units went missing and lost wargear options from the main rulebook. Are they in the pdf? Are they in the journals? Are they lost to the ether? We donโ€™t know yet.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:32:04 PM No.96095308
>>96095247
That's their purpose.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:32:05 PM No.96095309
>>96093265
Logistical benefit is obviously the best unless you have your list already filled out, in which case I like paragon of battle or master sergeant.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:33:05 PM No.96095312
>>96093429
It has to be a terminator dude I believe.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:33:36 PM No.96095314
>>96094570
He doesn't have suppressors to be stealthy. He has suppressors so people know he doesn't give a fuck what the cunts in the Adeptus of Tobacco and Firearms say.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:33:45 PM No.96095315
>>96093265
the traitor one to make units malefic honestly seems a bit overpowered unless the unit comes stock with very high Ld and Cl.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:34:00 PM No.96095316
>>96095277
Anon if you don't like the new edition that's fine, but at least bitch about something that makes sense
The last thing you can say about 3.0 is that it's simpler than before
Half the complains are about them making everything more complicated than it needed to be
Replies: >>96095359
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:36:21 PM No.96095326
>>96094655
I think it's on the reaction allotment page and not a special rule, since it's not a special rule but a trait.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:36:41 PM No.96095331
>>96095271
Check again, there's no more restrictions on apothecaries joining terminators, or any squad
No need for a primus
Replies: >>96095335
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:38:14 PM No.96095335
>>96095331
Pretty sure red butchers have a rule that doesn't let other ICs join them unless they are also crazy
Replies: >>96095361 >>96095374 >>96095456
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:38:23 PM No.96095337
>>96095277
I'd say it's primarily an aesthetic choice, as James and his fiendish workshop have turned space marines into some the most sloppified gen Z fortnite vibes imaginable
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:38:26 PM No.96095339
Seems to have missed the Terminator Centurion. Anyone got?
Replies: >>96095373
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:38:56 PM No.96095345
>>96093526
Fuck man thats pretty.

>>96095102
Looking at the UM? Everything seems legal (assuming boxnoughts and indomitus termies stay around)]

For the SOH:? Tartaros are currently illegal (assuming they really did lose all their weapons options and its not a fuckup). The champion(?) with terminator armor and two weapons is an illegal loadout.
Replies: >>96095368
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:38:58 PM No.96095347
>>96095277
The rules are workable enough to keep people playing if we ignore everything surrounding them. The models, the armies, the fluff, the way the rules have been written down to avoid WAAC 40kids that jumped here interpreting them in a way that's not intended and so on.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:40:38 PM No.96095354
>>96093513
Yes, absolutely. They are now 100% one of the strongest legions in the game.
Even without going any deeper into it the rending(5+) power fundamentally breaks several weapon types (plasma and auto) since theyre balanced around the low breaching chance (that rending always triggers).
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:40:53 PM No.96095356
>>96095095
Well a lot of the old Imperial Army artwork has them looking like Vostroyans, so I would say they wear some form of Imperial Army uniform.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:41:06 PM No.96095358
Do you like the new challenge mechanics?
Replies: >>96095372
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:41:08 PM No.96095359
>>96095316
NTA, but they did simplify some stuff that worked, and complicated other stuff needlessly.
Re-rolls? Get rid of 'em.
An entire re-play of the main three phases in each assault phase? Go for it.
Having a discrete Jump Pack or Terminator Armour Wargear with all it's rules listed clearly that can be added to existing units? Fuck that.
Discrete unit stat lines with different stats and sub-types or outright separate sheets? Fuck yeah!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:41:27 PM No.96095361
>>96095335
Ah sucks
Well probably no primus either then
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:41:27 PM No.96095362
>>96092840 (OP)
If they reprinted the black books in leather without changing a single letter or picture(looking at you, inferno) then I might look at the team more favourably. 3.0 is fucked, there is no accepting it.
Replies: >>96095389
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:41:39 PM No.96095365
>>96093668
>despite them losing rules
They didnt? Myrmidon destructors come with volkites base.
Replies: >>96095383
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:42:02 PM No.96095368
>>96095345
>Looking at the UM? Everything seems legal
Only thing I can spot is that suzerain can't take a banner anymore
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:42:31 PM No.96095372
>>96095358
No.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:42:35 PM No.96095373
>>96095339
Very funny anon
Replies: >>96095541
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:42:56 PM No.96095374
>>96095335
ah, I see that in their unit entry now. But unfortunately I donโ€™t see a way to pay for a character to become crazy like last edition. They might have to fly solo.
Replies: >>96095379 >>96095456
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:43:07 PM No.96095375
>>96094295
It will happen, but it will happen as part of specific mission rules rather than a universal change or option.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:44:03 PM No.96095379
>>96095374
Have to wait for your journal tactica for that :^)
Replies: >>96095385
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:44:42 PM No.96095383
>>96095365
The ones in the picts are secutors, destructors are the ones with the big guns.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:45:03 PM No.96095385
>>96095379
Iโ€™m going to become the ravening madman and join them myself
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:46:07 PM No.96095389
>>96095362
if reprinted to meet demand, they would sell more copies of the original HH books than any other books available.
Replies: >>96095398
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:47:25 PM No.96095394
>>96094147
You have to keep assigning damage to the same model until it dies per sequence
Replies: >>96096872
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:47:53 PM No.96095398
>>96095389
Agreed.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:48:14 PM No.96095401
>>96095152
Are you kidding, this shit is way more fun and actually works with other shit with vanguard
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:49:36 PM No.96095410
I canโ€™t find phage(X) in the leaks. Does it kick in after the entire unit has finished firing or after the strike group has been resolved? Eg if I have one guy throw a rad grenade and the rest of the unit shoot their normal guns, can I resolve the rad grenade first, lower enemy toughness, and then start blasting with an effective +1 to wound?
Replies: >>96095426
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:51:31 PM No.96095416
>>96095152
This stacks with vanguard and is more interesting. I guarantee if its special rules were just "fear(1), vanguard(1)" you would be complaining.

The current mechanic has you stack VP whenever you win a combat (any combat) and whenever you win a challenge (which ties into the new systems), but you have to protect it so you cant just yolo him at the enemy. Its simple enough (you just have to remember how many points he has following simple event triggers) and is a nice and fluffy way to represent the glory of the banner.
Replies: >>96095506 >>96095579
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:53:06 PM No.96095426
SpecialRules5
SpecialRules5
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>>96095410
Replies: >>96095442
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:54:26 PM No.96095434
>>96094714
SoH Moritats volley fire a unit without stun checks. That's pretty good, free shooting phases. Could bully scoring. Snap firing bolt pistols back at you is not going to do any real damage.
Replies: >>96095472 >>96095519
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:55:11 PM No.96095442
>>96095426
bless
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:55:44 PM No.96095447
skorr
skorr
md5: 12fb08065e93c7ec26748005cc9f0ba9๐Ÿ”
I doubt anyone here reads WD, but they did a tale of 4 warlords thing for heresy a few months back

could someone maybe dig those up, and see which of those heresy units and armies inside those WDs are illegal?
Replies: >>96095485 >>96095573
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:55:46 PM No.96095449
>>96095190
>>96095208
Don't quote wiki articles at me, the skull represents the Emperors sacrifice and always has.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:56:40 PM No.96095456
>>96095374
>>96095335
I mean... they have EW already. Staking another -1D on that for 30p would be bullshit
Also not that useful desu. There isn't that many D3 weapons that you can't just walk out of range from
Replies: >>96095480
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:58:21 PM No.96095472
>>96095434
All moritats do that. As do all bikes.
Replies: >>96095477 >>96095507 >>96095519
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:59:09 PM No.96095477
>>96095472
SoH ones do it at full BS
Replies: >>96095483 >>96095519
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:59:21 PM No.96095480
>>96095456
You donโ€™t want it for the D3, you want it for the D2 because the apothecary can reduce damage to 0. You can only make one roll per model in the reacting unit, but it would let you blank multiple lascannons or disintegrators. Would this be overpowered? I donโ€™t know, but it would be fun.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:00:05 PM No.96095483
>>96095477
Anon, read the firestorm rules. They dont snapshot when they volley fire (they fire at full BS)
Replies: >>96095507
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:00:10 PM No.96095485
>>96095447
This would be hilarious to see
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:04:40 PM No.96095506
>>96095416
And I'm going to throw a character who can just take a power weapon or power fist in a challenge because?
Replies: >>96095521
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:04:42 PM No.96095507
>>96095472
>>96095483
Anon, when I say
>volley fire a unit
I mean the unit he's attached to. Fire is full BS for the Moritat, not the unit.So SoH firing full BS compliments him. A praetorian jun squad with chargers can jump around getting two shooting phases a turn with 2+ armor and M12. Then firestorm allows the unit to cancel the sequence after volley so no stun checks.
Replies: >>96095559
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:06:56 PM No.96095519
>>96095434
>>96095472
>>96095477
Angelโ€™s tears seem like the real winners here. Jump out from behind medium terrain, casually throw out 80 S5 volkite shots. Maybe a little phase(T) to start off the party too if youโ€™re so inclined.

Vanguard(3) lets you not feel bad about dying after they do it because theyโ€™ll have earned so many VP. And if they do survive the strike back you can use a master of signals to swap them over to line(1) to score the objective they just cleared.
Replies: >>96095534
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:07:45 PM No.96095521
>>96095506
VP, also because many legions have powerful "power weapon" replacements. The NL headsmans axe for example.
The herald is a reasonable fighter as far as centurions go, and centurions (or even optae) will be commonplace due to the new detachment systems. Then you have master Sgts and the like too.
Replies: >>96095531
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:09:32 PM No.96095531
>>96095521
Like the characters that are better at fighting than a centurion are what? Praetors, special characters, terminator centurions (and that ones a slight one, since cata armor gives -1 for challenges and tartaros is just +1W on him)? If you want him to be better you can even paragon of battle him to have WS6 5A.
Replies: >>96095544
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:10:15 PM No.96095534
>>96095519
Indeed. Once we get normal destroyers back(the only unit that I can realistically guarantee is in Legacies) they will like it.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:11:39 PM No.96095541
>>96095373
There's a (generic) Centurion in Terminator Armour - isn't there?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:12:01 PM No.96095544
>>96095531
Champions are better fighters than vanilla centurions no?
Replies: >>96095553
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:13:42 PM No.96095553
>>96095544
"yes"

They have better WS (and maybe more attacks? Dont remember) but theyre stuck with a paragon blade which I dont think is very good. Maybe specifically for duelling low wound count models like centurions? But the damage 1 hurts.
But I could be wrong, maybe im really underestimating how lethal a paragon blade can be.
Replies: >>96095591 >>96095801
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:14:20 PM No.96095557
have the new rapier rules been leaked yet or no? want to know if they exist before i spend my time searching old threads.
Replies: >>96095569 >>96095570 >>96095684
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:14:24 PM No.96095559
>>96095507
I love that SoH have gone back to >shoot you in the face point blank instead of whatever nonsense they were supposed to be in second edition.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:16:31 PM No.96095569
>>96095557
Yes.

Rapiers are now t6 and ranged attacks are always resolved against them first (wound rolls are always vs t6 and damage goes to the rapiers first).
In melee its the other way round.
40pts naked (with bolters), can upgrade to other weapons still. Max unit size of 4. Phosphex is still locked to siege breaker.

They still seem pretty good, bolters might be incredible cost effective now.
Replies: >>96095618
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:16:38 PM No.96095570
>>96095557
yes they have
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:16:59 PM No.96095573
>>96095447
I've got the Fate of Barbarus stuff.
Looking over it:
- RG seem fine (But also, were barely customised beyond chain bayonets on the tacticals
- SW: Grey stalkers are gone, so they're illegal, Jorlund hunters we don't know, the tartaros squad has power fists and chainfists, which is illegal, spartan has a flare shield, which ain't a thing.
- DA: Again, not very customised, so looks fine?
- SoH: Esoterist has power weapon and volkite charger, which is illegal, otherwise fine.
- IW: PA Warsmith, which is illegal, Mortificator, which is gone, Forge Lord, which is gone.
- DG: Walking vets with power weapons, which are illegal, rad grenades on the tacs, which I think is gone, Mortus poisoners, which are gone, flare shield on spartan (gone, but no modelled parts, so eh) Apothecary with combi-flamer, which is illegal.
Replies: >>96095692
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:18:01 PM No.96095579
>>96095416
shouldve been the rules for the champion
doesn't make sense to me that in an edition that's all about challenges, the challenge character doesn't have special rules for it
"yeah but he has WS6"
that's not a special rule
every time you see a banner bearer in the lore they're at the back being defended by the rest of their squad, motivating them
right now their leadership bonus is meh at best
Replies: >>96095585
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:18:44 PM No.96095585
>>96095579
Dont champions still have the whole "have to challenge people" thing?
Replies: >>96095626
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:18:57 PM No.96095591
>>96095553
Paragon blades should have been D2
It's retarded that they can't make a weapon unique to the best fighter in a chapter/legion better than basic TH
Hitting first doesn't mean a lot when you do so little damage
Replies: >>96095607
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:21:28 PM No.96095607
>>96095591
>Paragon blades should have been D2
So what, just have it be the best weapon 99% of the time? I guess that works but it feels a bit boring.

>Hitting first doesn't mean a lot when you do so little damage
You can make it d2 with finishing strike, which might be good.

2d6 pick lowest is just -1 or something on average, so you are still favored to go before someone with a fist or hammer, so you go to potentially 6A D2 S+2, which seems decently likely to kill a centurion (or even an AA praetor) before they get to swing.
Replies: >>96095737 >>96095747
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:24:06 PM No.96095618
>>96095569
Can Heavy Bolters do much this ed?
Replies: >>96095636 >>96095712
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:24:08 PM No.96095619
Plasma
Plasma
md5: eae3248bcaf0e80fdc1f2908a6b432f8๐Ÿ”
Why did they go out of their way to make plasma cannons shittier than other plasma?
You are unlikely to cover more than 2 models with a small template so they are pretty in line with plasmaguns. For a more expensive weapon that needs to be stationary to get S7 I think +12" shoulnd't require a massive downgrade like getting hit a third of the time you shoot...
Replies: >>96095651
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:25:59 PM No.96095626
>>96095585
yeah but that's not a special rule to make it better at challenges
that's just a rule to force it to fight one
used to be it'd give the unit fearless during a challenge
It's no longer "I want a champion so that he can motivate the squad"
it's "I guess I take a champion if I want a challenge mook"
Replies: >>96095640
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:26:33 PM No.96095636
>>96095618
They dont have heavy bolters, they have a gravis heavy bolter battery. Which is 8 shots S5 Ap4, but more importantly suppressive(2). For 40pts it seems like a good weapon, puts out a lot of dakka (relatively) and has a good chance to force snapshots from the enemy.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:27:35 PM No.96095640
>>96095626
>It's no longer "I want a champion so that he can motivate the squad"
That wasnt it either, it was "I want a champion so I can have a WS6 thunderhammer cheaply"
The champions niche is killing centurions, something hes still going to do pretty well.
Replies: >>96095664 >>96095693
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:29:31 PM No.96095651
>>96095619
See, that seems like an actual typo. Fucker either way.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:32:21 PM No.96095664
>>96095640
why do i want to kill centurions when centurions don't do anything anymore
Replies: >>96095668
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:33:07 PM No.96095666
>>96095049
Winner tops is a houserule for wargaming wherein the winner is referred to as the "top" and the loser is referred to as the "bottom." Upon concluding the game, the winner and loser shall seek out a private area, preferably the dwelling room of either of them. Upon locking the entrance, the loser shall engage in a humiliation ritual as "punishment" for losing the game, wherein he shall remove his garments and make himself submissive to the winner of the game. The winner shall then lubricate the anus of the loser before inserting his penis into said orifice and initiating homosexual intercourse. Condoms are of course, not allowed, as the nature of the humiliation ritual requires the winner to deposit his seed inside of the loser, or "bottom." If the loser refuses to engage in this ritual after losing a game but having already agreed to "winner tops" rules prior to the start of the game, then he forfeits his honor and may never play a game again.
Replies: >>96095755
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:33:41 PM No.96095668
>>96095664
Centurions never did anything? Youre thinking of consuls.
Centurions are also moderately expensive melee elites, you want to kill them because the alternative is "they do well in melee combat against you".
Replies: >>96095690
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:36:13 PM No.96095684
>>96095557
phosphex looks good this edition, if that influences you at all
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:37:07 PM No.96095690
>>96095668
a champion would also be doing more damage hitting into the squad
so we're back at the beginning
why do I take the character that is forced to take a challenge when i'd rather have him not fight in a challenge?
Replies: >>96096137
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:37:22 PM No.96095692
b34bd900-07ff-48e3-909c-4271a53602f0
b34bd900-07ff-48e3-909c-4271a53602f0
md5: 9875233ada7084fa21c6005830cefe55๐Ÿ”
>>96095573
>Grey stalkers are gone
I mean Slayers can still take bolters so they're not really gone
Replies: >>96095728 >>96095730
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:38:00 PM No.96095693
>>96095640
You can take a centurion and give it +1WS, BS and A. And still give it a TH. Hell put it on terminator armor for +1T and a 4++ too
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:40:47 PM No.96095712
>>96095618
Heavy bolter rapiers have always been good
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:42:32 PM No.96095722
Does anyone have the Slow and Purposeful rule?
Replies: >>96095729 >>96095751
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:43:26 PM No.96095728
>>96095692
Stalkers could take special weapons in the squad
Replies: >>96095796
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:43:40 PM No.96095729
>>96095722
It's ITT, just saw it
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:44:16 PM No.96095730
P>>96095692
NTA and not a space wolf player but as far as i can tell the main difference in 2.0 was starting with chainswords and that they could take a special weapon or combi weapon per 5 guys
Replies: >>96095796
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:45:50 PM No.96095737
>>96095607
>paragon blades should be the best weapon 99% of the time?
unironically yes. they are legendary relic weapons of unparalleled craftsmanship, etc, etc.

and they should be rare / unavailable for the most part.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:47:10 PM No.96095747
>>96095607
>So what, just have it be the best weapon 99% of the time?
Maybe if we remembered there are angles other than Strength and AP that can factor in, we'd have options.
But this is GW. We can't have nice things.
Replies: >>96095859
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:47:55 PM No.96095751
>>96095722
canโ€™t pursue
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:48:34 PM No.96095755
>>96095666
>satanic trips for gay homebrew trolling
poetry
Pardo @SNBattleReports
7/15/2025, 3:54:26 PM No.96095790
Hmm
Replies: >>96095802
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:55:25 PM No.96095796
>>96095730
>>96095728
Yeah I suppose you're missing the 2-4 special weapons
But I can still run slayers as stalkers minus that if I wanted so I'm not too bothered
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:56:05 PM No.96095801
>>96095553
Cents have what, 3 wounds? It's not hard to deplete 3 wounds with a paragon blade if you give your champion paragon of battle and make him WS7. at that point He'll beat anything but a Praetor or a primarch in a challenge hammer or no hammer.
Replies: >>96095840 >>96096152
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:56:09 PM No.96095802
>>96095790
Iconic
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:57:07 PM No.96095808
Do red butchers beat every other unique terminator unit in a punch up? Breaching(4+) and S5 means theyโ€™re effectively AP2 against T5, and EW(1) makes PF TH and any bespoke legion weapons like DA swords 50% less effective.
Replies: >>96095840 >>96095850 >>96095868 >>96095932 >>96095946 >>96096175
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:02:49 PM No.96095840
>>96095801
Centurions are 4W now
WS6 or 7 make no difference against WS5
Centurions can also have Paragon of Battle, which just makes them cheaper champions

>>96095808
EW on terminators is wild, being hit on 3s doesn't matter as much now and attacking first since their axes aren't low I is also fantastic
Replies: >>96095859 >>96095883
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:03:56 PM No.96095850
>>96095808
Butchers flip the damage calculus on its head, every other terminator you want to fight with thunderhammers or powerfists but butchers laugh that shit off. Maybe dreadnoughts would be good against butchers? Damage 3 melee still kills them dead and they have that rule which makes hitting them easy.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:05:24 PM No.96095859
>>96095747
>Maybe if we remembered there are angles other than Strength and AP that can factor in
What, like damage? That other angle which has been introduced now to add to weapon granularity.

>>96095840
Centurions are 3w, terminator centurions are 4w
Replies: >>96096122
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:06:45 PM No.96095868
>>96095808
Pretty sure justaerin still crush them. Hitting on 3s and having more attacks will do that.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:08:27 PM No.96095880
IMG_5757
IMG_5757
md5: 1447922e1ec33e6d09c1533e7f7e98be๐Ÿ”
Can anyone post the Breacher rules? Hereโ€™s a meduson immortal as thanks.
Replies: >>96095888
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:08:46 PM No.96095883
>>96095840
>Centurions are 4W now
Thats a weird change.
>WS6 or 7 make no difference against WS5
You take Paragon so even paragon Cents still hit you on 5s.
>Centurions can also have Paragon of Battle, which just makes them cheaper champions
They max out at 6s, Champions get to 7.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:09:18 PM No.96095888
Breachers
Breachers
md5: a9ef4e96c6b392479b31b5ec67f0330c๐Ÿ”
>>96095880
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:09:38 PM No.96095893
422216840_405568545338516_5916267657175433648_n
422216840_405568545338516_5916267657175433648_n
md5: 4747ea46cd2ba32b9c3a7ecde7344efa๐Ÿ”
>>96092956
Added a bit more since, but TLDR all marines must hang.
Replies: >>96095907
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:12:02 PM No.96095906
>>96094477
>>96094448
Rip bolt pistol Moritat. They could've made Destroyer pistols special, and didn't. At best they'll be in a war Journal DLC. But this is me, coping
Replies: >>96095950
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:12:32 PM No.96095907
1752100449261061m
1752100449261061m
md5: 5d8b53b2d95e57b6b7ae531096387e7a๐Ÿ”
>>96095893
Based, transhumans were a fucking mistake.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:14:44 PM No.96095917
>>96092408
Can I ask you what paints/Pigments you used for your bases?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:17:23 PM No.96095932
>>96095808
The issue is that their actual damage output (chainfist asides) is not very impressive.

3A, 4 on the charge, means 2 hits and then 1 wound (wounding on a 4+) going into a 4++, so for every four red butchers they will kill one terminator (on the charge)
In return something like firedrakes has 3 attacks hitting on 3s (2 hits) wounding on 2s (2 wounds or there abouts) going into a 4++ (for one unsaved hit dealing one wound). So they kill one butcher per two of theirs attacking.

Butchers are tough, they take a lot of killing and will resist a lot of the most common anti terminator weapons (like lascannons). Theyre not good at KILLING terminators. They and deathshroud seem more designed to kill regular troops while shrugging off lascannons/autocannons/heavy plasma (since it takes like 6/7 lascannon shots to kill one)
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:19:46 PM No.96095946
>>96095808
I'd say lerneans beat them, considering they hit and wound better, rend worse, have the same number of attacks, are harder to charge, and can shoot
Replies: >>96096216
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:20:32 PM No.96095950
>>96095906
>Destroyer
The what now?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:29:40 PM No.96095999
>>96094728
So, if a Vanguard kills a unit on an objective, or makes it fall back in melee, you score
If a Vanguard shoots and the unit falls back, they don't score? Booo
Replies: >>96096019
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:32:47 PM No.96096010
Anons, the mech imgur is missing some stuff, anyone got pictures with the
>Arcana benefice and prime benefit for myrmidax, archimandrite, macrotek, and malagra
>the third page of war gear, with shock ram, servo arm, and rad furnace
>second page of scoria's rules
>mechanicum specific special Rules
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:33:08 PM No.96096013
>>96094867
Allied detachments have no Praetor slot, not Prime to Special Assign one
Replies: >>96096063
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:34:48 PM No.96096019
>>96095999
Seems like Vanguard shooting really needs to drop the last dude to be effective.

Makes Veletarii with chargers a bit less useful than I thought they would be, unless volley fire counts towards combat resolution in melee?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:36:28 PM No.96096026
>>96095075
Vostroya dresses like that in 40k because they got given all the Imperial Army leftover uniforms. A trillion units of all the uniforms for the war they skipped.
Their debt will have been repaid when the last one has been blooded by a firstborn
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:41:15 PM No.96096052
God I love drop pods.
Replies: >>96096185
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:42:25 PM No.96096057
>>96095271
Do Apothecaries do nothing unless you use the reaction?
Replies: >>96096065 >>96096091
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:44:11 PM No.96096063
>>96096013
Allied detachments have 2 HQs, 1 of them in Prime
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:44:48 PM No.96096065
>>96096057
Their narthecium let's you apply a -2 to status recovery checks at end of turn if you pass a medic roll (a 4+)
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:49:28 PM No.96096091
>>96096057
They help with statusโ€™ which can be useful if your legion doesnโ€™t have a good way to deal with them. The reaction fucking sucks since youโ€™re wasting a reaction on a 1/2 chance to remove 1 wound max lmao
Replies: >>96096123
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:52:52 PM No.96096106
sicaran arcus any good?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:54:22 PM No.96096115
HeresyJournalTacticaIsstvanDropsiteMassacreBookPartOneENG1
>>96092840 (OP)
I know a lot of liber and rulebook stuff is out there, but did the Journal leak at all?
Replies: >>96096128 >>96096164 >>96096168 >>96096199
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:54:58 PM No.96096122
>>96095859
Number of attacks. That thing we made a whole stat for. The one we don't use.
And Damage was the decider previously too. ID or Brutal were king.
Replies: >>96096158
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:54:58 PM No.96096123
>>96096091
itโ€™s max one wound per model, not max one wound total right?
Replies: >>96096191 >>96096254
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:56:35 PM No.96096128
>>96096115
I think the contents page and some background pages are out there
Replies: >>96096139 >>96096168
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:57:48 PM No.96096137
>>96095690
Not even Vanguard. Yeah they should have the Herald rule instead. And/or be like Phalanx Warders, who get to use their reaction for free with some restrictions.
And Paragons should be D2. They are S5, a terminator can tank that half the time.

What would you give Heralds then, to compensate?
Replies: >>96096159
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:58:00 PM No.96096139
>>96096128
Huh, would have thought it would have leaked by now. I don't expect it to fix the game but I do want to know what units it has in it.
Replies: >>96096151 >>96096168
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:59:36 PM No.96096151
>>96096139
It leaked a while ago. We already knew the units too since they showed us the index. They were reported a dozen times across the previous threads.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:59:37 PM No.96096152
>>96095801
You shouldn't need to give him Paragon, though
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:00:33 PM No.96096158
>>96096122
>. The one we don't use.
Except they do. Twin LC give +2A, a chainfist drops you an attack. Forge crafted thunder hammers give you attacks, some weapons set your attacks to a defined value like 1. It is very much a system that is used.

>ID or Brutal were king.
ID is explicitly not "damage", an ID proc does not care how many wounds you have, it does all of them unless youre immune.
Replies: >>96096192
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:00:43 PM No.96096159
>>96096137
Ld10 bubble, line (1), keep it as it was, simple as
But of course ld10 means chaplains are now useless since they removed rerolls and didn't think they should replace them with anything
Idk, maybe you could make the chaplain give the squad deflagrate?
Replies: >>96096180
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:01:00 PM No.96096164
>>96096115
Yes, the master of descent and command squad are from the journal iirc
Whirlwind hyperios too
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:01:39 PM No.96096168
>>96096115
>>96096128
>>96096139

We've seen Master of Descent. Centurion stats, jump pack, his squad can DS turn 1, he auto-passes DS Reserve checks for you. 120pts? Can't recall.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:03:04 PM No.96096175
>>96095808
Deathshroud have EW1 too, but their scythes hold them back
Replies: >>96096196
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:04:20 PM No.96096180
>>96096159
Chaplains grant Cool 10 to their unit, right? That's Cool 11 if said unit is Heavy subtype
Replies: >>96096197 >>96096228 >>96096264 >>96096467
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:05:32 PM No.96096185
>>96096052
You're gonna love dropping only one per turn
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:06:33 PM No.96096191
>>96096123
Yeah it's one wound on every model in the unit
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:06:33 PM No.96096192
>>96096158
>Twin LC give +2A
Already had that.
>some weapons set your attacks to a defined value like 1
Already had that too.
>a chainfist drops you an attack.
>Forge crafted thunder hammers give you attacks
These are the only two places in the whole game I've seen it used in a way it wasn't before. In 2.0, that wouldn't be worth a special rule, let alone a whole fucking stat.
Replies: >>96096219
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:07:10 PM No.96096196
>>96096175
Their scythes are about as good as the butcher axes.
Replies: >>96096263
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:07:27 PM No.96096197
>>96096180
only if the whole unit is Heavy
chaplain can take neither terminator armor nor a boarding shield and thus cannot become heavy
Replies: >>96096269
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:07:34 PM No.96096199
>>96096115
We've seen the three units and the mission, IIRC.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:09:25 PM No.96096216
>>96095946
>have the same number of attacks
Wild that Butchers lost an attack, as they were 5A on the charge. They should be A3 base
Replies: >>96096234
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:10:16 PM No.96096219
>>96096192
>Already had that too.
Except we didnt have the granularity, we do now. Demon angron and fulgrims slam attacks drop their attacks to a set (non 1) value. Corax makes four attacks with his whip. Pyromancers make d6+3 attacks with their melee power.

>These are the only two places in the whole game I've seen it used in a way it wasn't before
They arent, theyre just examples raised that you clearly didnt know about.

>In 2.0, that wouldn't be worth a special rule, let alone a whole fucking stat.
2.0 had brutal, a special rule present on a grand total of like 3 weapons.
Replies: >>96096223 >>96096321
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:11:19 PM No.96096223
>>96096219
>2.0 had brutal, a special rule present on a grand total of like 3 weapons.
And somehow that required a damage stat to be added in 3rd.
Replies: >>96096257
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:11:50 PM No.96096228
>>96096180
does this make chaplains actually useful for SoH so they can double shoot at close range and have a better chance to pass any stun check if they then donโ€™t make combat
Replies: >>96096235
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:13:12 PM No.96096234
>>96096216
everyone lost the +1A on the charge this edition. they do fine work with 4
Replies: >>96096298
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:13:17 PM No.96096235
>>96096228
Yes. What are you planning to volley fire with, anon? It's only assault guns
Replies: >>96096255 >>96096271
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:15:48 PM No.96096254
>>96096123
Yes but afaik youโ€™d basically go โ€œ5 tacticals die from 5 unsaved d1 attacks, I have to use my reaction to roll a d6 per dead model. On a 4+ they donโ€™t dieโ€ which leads to some very weird scenarios on higher wound minis
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:15:53 PM No.96096255
>>96096235
volkite chargers/serpentas, mostly. or anything on terminator squads, the saturnine plasma guns look pretty good when they can double shoot
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:16:02 PM No.96096257
>>96096223
Yes, and the damage stat is an unambiguously good thing.
Although the real culprits for "we need damage" are dreads and ruinstorm sovereigns/behemoths (and to a lesser extent automata).

The binary system of "one wound or dead" created restrictive weapon design space and meant that models with a non-standard statline were often insanely difficult to kill. Damage removes those issues. It also interacts with hull points in a much better way (or rather, at all) which allows for "single fire big shot guns" to actually be impactful, rather than needing to have multiple shots.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:17:20 PM No.96096263
>>96096196
Butcher axes are axes with +1A and +1 to Breach
Scythes are axes with +2A conditional (squad outnumbered). It's fine only when attacking tactical- whoops, the alchem flamer killed enough so that you no longer are outnumbered
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:17:29 PM No.96096264
>>96096180
Chaplain stats are weird cause reviews have mentioned hatred in their crozius so they may not be as awful on launch
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:18:21 PM No.96096269
>>96096197
>only if the whole unit is Heavy
Noooo. Shield only needs a majority, tell me Heavy is the same
Replies: >>96096455
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:18:32 PM No.96096271
>>96096235
Assault includes basically all pistols too.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:18:34 PM No.96096272
>>96096264
Theyre already not awful desu. Theyre a solid budget beater with high mental stats. Granting hatred would be nice (especially since hatred isnt the game breaker it was before) but theyre already situationally worth it.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:21:02 PM No.96096285
>>96096263
Its a better weapon for killing hordes of low tier power armor, which is the ideal target for both deathshroud and red butchers. Despite their durability neither of these units wants a slugging match with elite power fist/thunder hammer enemies.

"but what if you dont outnumber them" then you dont really need the help do you? Youre hitting on 3s killing on 2s into power armor.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:22:40 PM No.96096294
Does FNP need to be rolled per damage, or per wound/attack in 3.0?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:23:20 PM No.96096298
>>96096234
No, anon. Every terminator *won* an attack this edition. Regular termies did, legion specific termies did. The only ones who didn't are:
>Phoenix termies
Sorta. Remained 2A when even regular termies are 3A, because they are forced to use their blade works rule (not using it at all was better)
>Deathshroud
Sidegrade, as they're now affordable
>Butchers
I guess they do work with 4A? Idk
Replies: >>96096323
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:27:11 PM No.96096321
>>96096219
>2.0 had brutal, a special rule present on a grand total of like 3 weapons.
Well, I'm not the best at maths, but let's check:
Demolisher Cannon
Thunderhawk Cannon
Gravis Power Fists
Thunder Hammers
Leviathan Siege Claws
Graviton Maul
Tainted Claw
Blade of Perdition
Axe of Perdition
Spear of Perdition
Maul of Perdition
Radium Pistol
Radium Carbine
Siege Wrecker
Siege Claw
Iliastus Accelerator Cannon
Iliastus Accelerator Culverin
Vanquisher Battle Cannon
Hellhammer Cannon

That's 19, which is a little bit more than 3. I sure hope no legion-specific units or named characters also have it...

Golden Keshig Lances
Talon of Perdition
Sword of Balenight
Forgebreaker
Hand of Dominion
Glory Aeterna
Forgebreaker Desecrated
Gravis Force Blade
Worldbreaker
Illuminarium
Anaktis Blade
The Instrument
Demo Charge
Libertas
Extinctor power claw
Tians'han
Hammerhand
The Liberator
Defiant

Another 19... that's 38... well, there's a 3 in there.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:27:16 PM No.96096323
>>96096298
>Regular termies did
Regular termies are still 2A.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:30:04 PM No.96096344
>>96096294
Per unsaved wound
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:31:04 PM No.96096348
>>96096257
>Damage is good
No not really it was not needed, they just needed to change brutal problem solved.
>It's created restrictive weapon design
No GWs lack of creativity did that.
Gw could have made breaching as
Breaching(x/y) where a wound roll of x gives the ap of y allowing a lot of variance on weapons across the board.

Gw is just shit at making rules. Damage is a stat not needed because gw handles it BADLY every time see 40k it combined with rending AP system created a arms race that lead to 9th.
>>96096321
Brutal should have been
Brutal(x) if a model suffers a wound from a weapon with this rule, if they fail the save for it, they suffer x wounds inflected to them.

Making brutal a rule that multiplied the saves you needed to make was a massive fucking mistake change that and brutal is fucking fine.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:34:05 PM No.96096366
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1751063704460986m
md5: 7dd981cdb3913ec39658a32aac24f957๐Ÿ”
>>96096285
>"but what if you dont outnumber them" then you dont really need the help do you?
I heavily disagree. Using a Retinue to kill troops and other such pushovers is a massive waste. Especially for the Death Guard, whose own troops are top tier and can be used for that
Also it's so weird that 5 Deathshroud do 15 attacks, but 4 do 16. "I needed you to punch me to unlock my power" is some anime thing (and that's Raven guard's)
It is a pity Deathshroud just aren't true Terminator Praetorians, and they should be relegated to mowing grass and avoiding Real terminator elites
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:34:54 PM No.96096372
>>96096348
>Brutal should have been
>Brutal(x) if a model suffers a wound from a weapon with this rule, if they fail the save for it, they suffer x wounds inflected to them.
Motherfucker that is literally just damage values again.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:36:09 PM No.96096380
>>96096366
>4 do 16
Oh wait, Reaping 2. Five do 15, but Four may to 20 if outnumbered. What the fuck lmao
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:36:30 PM No.96096381
>>96096285
I'm with >>96096366
On this matter. Tbh the whole
>Well this super expensive unit is great at killing MEQ
Is such a non-sequitor, because wanna know what else is great at killing MEQ? Like fucking everything. A basic bitch unit on terminators with power weapons will mog meq. If your elite retinue is not good at mogging AT LEAST teq units not even elite terminators (ws5) just like good at killing ws4 terminators they kinda suck.
Replies: >>96096439 >>96096441
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:37:08 PM No.96096385
>>96096348
>No not really it was not needed
Yes anon, dreads taking 6/7 lascannons to kill was totally good. It should take half a dozen meltaguns to the face to bring one down.

No you fucking retard, damage was absolutely needed. Brutal exists as an early attempt at it, to represent weapons with singularly powerful attacks which are better suited to taking out multiple wound models that are NOT susceptible to being instantly killed. Brutal is just not very good, being a shittier version of WHFB's multiple wounds(X) rule (design wise).

>Gw could have made breaching as
>Breaching(x/y)
It exists, its called immaterial blades. It does not at all solve the issues created by arbitrary instant death thresholds which will dominate 99% of the models in the game and leave a 1% immune to everything as a result.
Breaching(X/Y) is also largely pointless in a system with only two relevant armor values, 3+ and 2+.

>Damage is a stat not needed because gw handles it BADLY every time
Which is why it works well here, clearly.

>Brutal(x) if a model suffers a wound from a weapon with this rule, if they fail the save for it, they suffer x wounds inflected to them.
That only fixes half the issues with brutal. The other half being "brutal creates a feast or famine scenario where weapons with the rule are many times better than those without".
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:37:22 PM No.96096388
>>96096348
>No not really it was not needed, they just needed to change brutal problem solved.
And add it to a ton of other weapons that have more than D1 now
Gee it's almost like that's what they did without needing another special rule
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:37:35 PM No.96096390
>>96096348
>>96096372
Twin Linked should have turned any hits into two hits.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:37:59 PM No.96096394
>>96096348
>Brutal should have been
>Brutal(x) if a model suffers a wound from a weapon with this rule, if they fail the save for it, they suffer x wounds inflected to them.
What is damage, alex?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:38:49 PM No.96096402
>>96096372
Except it's a rule sprinkled through our only on weapons that need it. For example las canon should not have brutal nor should it have brutal if you stand still

Atop that it should also be with the idea that ID is still in the game, which will effect it, meaning that weapons like th fists will be really good against thing that are t5+ while being pretty much a wash on T4 so that eya we don't get this situation where it's TH or bust because TH effectively doubles the number of saves that needs to be made.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:39:26 PM No.96096407
>>96096385
>It exists, its called immaterial blades.
It's not, actually. Just as breaching sets the result (AP2) but allows for movement on the odds (3+-6+), Immaterial blades sets the odds (always on a 6) but varies the result (AP+1).

I believe anon wants a rule that scales on both.
Replies: >>96096432
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:40:49 PM No.96096418
>>96096372
NTA, but the problem with damage values is that GW always overdoes them.
3.0 has waaaay to much access to D2+
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:42:18 PM No.96096432
>>96096407
>believe anon wants a rule that scales on both.
Correct
Breaching(x/y) would give you 2 levers to work with vs 1.

You could see weapons like say heavy flamers now get a rule like breaching(6/3)
Or even chain weapons could get that rule
Auto canons could have breaching(4/3)
It opens up a lot more possibilities with our needing to go about dicking with damage profiles.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:43:39 PM No.96096439
>>96096381
>A basic bitch unit on terminators with power weapons will mog meq
A basic bitch terminator unit with power weapons will NOT kill meq in a resonable manner, because they have two attacks each hitting on 4s. Even if they take power mauls thats still at most a marine dead per guy.

Deathshroud have a comparable points cost to those regular terminators (theyre what, 40ppm?) and will kill many more marines than that even without reaping. While also being incredibly resistant to displacement by the sort of heavy fire which would normally be good at removing terminators. This makes them an excellent area denial unit, capable of holding a point and denying it to the enemy.

>>96096366
Is it a shame? Maybe, but it is unfortunately their lot. They have two mechanical identities, being difficult to kill and being bad at killing terminators while being good into power armor. This leaves them with only so many options.
Theyre a durable brick wall which you set in the path of your enemies mass infantry to hold them there indefinetly and kill scores while they do it. Theyre not a unit that wants to slug it out with the enemy thunder hammer terminators.
Replies: >>96096445 >>96096452 >>96096564
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:44:55 PM No.96096441
>>96096381
Not to mention they already have Grave Wardens for killing MEQ, with their deathcloud and poison guns
Replies: >>96096444
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:45:43 PM No.96096444
>>96096441
Grave wardens also have power fists for killing terminators.
Replies: >>96096572
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:45:54 PM No.96096445
>>96096439
Yeah while said MEQ do fuck all against them in response also just slap like 1 dude with a pair of lightening claws and watch him blender a unit
Meq get fucked by basic terminators because now those MEQ are all tied up.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:45:58 PM No.96096446
>>96096366
>is some anime thing (and that's Raven guard's)
Can we swap our LA for the ability to use Truck-kun to isekai a single enemy model?
Replies: >>96096588
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:47:09 PM No.96096451
>>96096366
There always will be a "weakest into fellow unique termis". Not all legions used termis to hunt big things, some used them to bully mid tier and lower enemies in high volume. It doesn't translate as well to table top unfortunately.
Replies: >>96096665
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:47:29 PM No.96096452
>>96096439
Why the fuck would you want to walk death shroud into marines? That is such a fucking waste of points.
I mean in the name of cool yeah watching them reap marines is cool but effective? It's like driving a nail with a sledge hammer I guess.
Replies: >>96096523
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:47:44 PM No.96096455
heavy
heavy
md5: fdb8560fdb35da86b0f9875ee9a2bc7e๐Ÿ”
>>96096269
Sorry bro
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:47:57 PM No.96096456
>LA pics sorted
litter.catbox.moe/738illeq5ox1gi64.rar
i've found something else as well later
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:48:41 PM No.96096462
>>96096456
>i've found something else as well later
well don't be a tease, tell us.
Replies: >>96096485
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:49:15 PM No.96096467
>>96096180
Oh dude don't worry you can easily make that Chaplin heavy just give him a boarding shield from his war gear opti-.....oh....
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:51:19 PM No.96096485
>>96096462
>tell us.
the same thing in a different format, if you catch my drift
Replies: >>96096534 >>96096550
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:54:06 PM No.96096503
>>96096418
And even then 3.0 is restrained as fuck compared to when 40k and AoS got damage.
Replies: >>96096560
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:55:03 PM No.96096511
>>96096418
>3.0 has waaaay to much access to D2+
No it doesent.
D2, which is the vast majority of weapons with multiple damage, is found generally on the weapons which would have previously been instant death. Power fists, lascannons, missiles.
D3, which is incredibly rare, is generally found on the top end of anti-tank guns and the heavy ordanance. Laser destroyers, demolisher cannons, melta.
There are some weapons that are D2 which would not have been instant death previously (autocannons), but there are also weapons which are not D2 or only conditional D2 which would previously be instant death (lascannons, missiles)

In melee D3 is basically nonexistent outside of challenges, primarchs, and dreadnoughts. The only regular marine units that have it are saturnines, who are so bad in melee it basically doesent matter, and they trade the usual strength of power fists for it.

D3 is also, unlike what you are implying, not problematic to the game. Its not some linearly scaling thing where D3 is just always better than D2, because in most circumstances the two are identical. Regular marine infantry only have two wounds. D3 plus exists so weapons can be more effective into tanks and/or monstrous creatures.

You also dont seem to be cognizant of the lack of rerolls, which have reduced the general lethality of the game
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:56:43 PM No.96096523
>>96096452
>Why the fuck would you want to walk death shroud into marines?
Because theyre good at killing power armor safely? Marines or ideally vets if you can catch them, are the most optimal target for deathshroud. Numerous power armor bodies.

You throw them onto a point to clear the enemy out and then sit there denying it to the enemy forever unless they commit a gross overkill worth of firepower to the task.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:57:42 PM No.96096533
>>96096418
>3.0 has waaaay to much access to D2+
Fucking where?
There's autocannons with D2 and that's the only thing I can think of that didn't ID you before and/or had brutal
And they are pretty fucking expensive because of it
Replies: >>96096630
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:57:56 PM No.96096534
>>96096485
No I don't catch your drift
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:57:57 PM No.96096535
>>96096511
>reduced the general lethality of the game
You had me until this.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 5:59:46 PM No.96096550
>>96096485
leaked PDF?
Replies: >>96096843
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:01:24 PM No.96096560
>>96096503
For now. You're on the treadmill, and the speed only goes up.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:01:45 PM No.96096564
>>96096439
>theyre what, 40ppm?
It's 220 for 5 Deathshroud. It's 210 for 7 other regular terminators.
Even armed with power swords, 7 terminators kill ~7 tacticals (I love combi bolters). This might make those 20 Tacticals (200 pts) run.
Regular Terminators are already enough, and using a Retinue-class unit for troop hunting is wasteful.
Replies: >>96096609
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:02:44 PM No.96096568
Do knights still have their stomp attacks? I want to know if my brass scorpion still gets his free d3+3 s9 ap2 attacks
Also please post the brass scorpion stats if they've been leaked
Is it safe? Is it's ws5 alright?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:03:28 PM No.96096572
>>96096444
They have the power fists and 3A, but not the WS5. Compare them to actual elite terminators and the difference will hit you in the face.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:03:42 PM No.96096575
>>96096535
Nta but not having shred on every chainsword and chaplain not rerolling all hits for the units is definitely noticeable.
Terminators are a lot resilient in melee now and even more at range agianst small arms
Dreads have been kneecapped hard too
HSS are a lot more expensive
There's not a lot that has become significantly better aside from tacticals at certain ranges
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:03:45 PM No.96096576
Some local guy wants to start up a 3.0 slow grow league at 500 pts.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:04:13 PM No.96096579
custom ruleset in our disc group needs collating and reformatting, how far should we go to avoid stepping on GWs toesโ„ข? Looking to use public use artwork and a custom template so it's mostly terminology, rules wording, names and events. Probably wouldn't be an issue at our scale of play but if someone malicious reported it or it ever did take off what are the minimum safeguards for copyright standards?
Replies: >>96096608 >>96096662 >>96096686
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:05:13 PM No.96096588
>>96096446
Anon that's your gambit.
Honestly I might consider players choose their Legion Trait from among three options: 1.0, 2.0, and current 3.0.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:06:46 PM No.96096599
>>96096511
the biggest increase to the lethality of the game is the removal of artificer armor. nothing else comes close.
Replies: >>96096647
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:06:46 PM No.96096600
RDT_20250715_0947254653052623225072169
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Anyone has a unit profile template to write custom units like this?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:08:10 PM No.96096608
>>96096579
If you donโ€™t make any money off of it in any way then you can do whatever you want.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:08:13 PM No.96096609
>>96096564
>Regular Terminators are already enough, and using a Retinue-class unit for troop hunting is wasteful.
NTA, disagree if it wins you the game. Scoop up the enemy Tacticals, plant yours behind the shroud to be a buffer to what what wants to punch tacticals. Using a Primarch to hunt scoring isn't beneath them. Nothing that wins you the game is beneath any unit when used at the right time. Don't fall into hyperbole where any one player can only use one tactic for any given unit. Shroud can make for a great speed bump if it means farming VP just as well as they can help beat up elites.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:08:26 PM No.96096612
>>96096600
Ask the guy on Reddit
>See someone make something
>Go somewhere else to ask how they made it
Replies: >>96096660
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:08:33 PM No.96096614
IMG_5699
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md5: 3500b98959ef5ad218926ccd0c4e2cb1๐Ÿ”
Tarantulas are cute!
Replies: >>96096681 >>96096699 >>96096734
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:09:38 PM No.96096624
>>96096600
You can see this in word or excel in 5 minutes.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:10:46 PM No.96096630
>>96096533
Archaeotech Pistols
A whole bunch of Autocannons
Gravis Bolt Cannon
Combi-greande Launcher (Krak)
Flamestorm Cannon
Gravis Plasma Cannon
Croizus Arcanum

Disintegrator Pistols are now far, far more available

Shred and Critical hits can now push weapons up to D2, which includes every single chain weapon, and potentially every single gun with the new BS chart.

It's a lot.
Replies: >>96096690 >>96096714
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:12:19 PM No.96096641
>>96096511
>You also dont seem to be cognizant of the lack of rerolls, which have reduced the general lethality of the game
2.0: "Hey, I know you're hitting on a 2, but if you get a 1, you re-roll it, meaning you got from a hit 5/6 of the time to 35/36 of the time."
3.0: "Hey, if you roll a 6 on a chainsword, we double the damage. Have Fun."
Replies: >>96096709
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:12:44 PM No.96096647
>>96096535
All rerolls are gone anon. The extra shots some weapons got to compensate for it are not enough to actually make up for the difference.

Take a laser destroyer:
In 2.0 its 2 shots (twin linked) S9 Ap1 (ordnance)
In 3.0 its 2 shots S10 Ap2 (not that it matters now) heavy D. Stronger right? Except it isnt, because the potential for higher damage (which doesent matter into most targets) is not enough to offeset the damage losses for the reduction in accuracy. You went from hitting 8/9 times to hitting only 2/3 times with the same gun.
Multi meltas are now S9(potentially) D3, they also lost twin linked.

In melee shred is now an entirely different rule. While it does make a lot of weapons now better into 2w units it also makes many weapons now worse at dealing with regular power armor. (and Shred now does nothing in fights between 1w units)
Take lightning claws (not that they have shred now)
6 LC attacks in 2.0, hitting on 3s, is 3 dead marines. 6*2/3*3/4
6 LC attacks in 3.0m hitting on 3s, is 6*1/6+6*1/2*1/2 dead marines. Or 2.5.

Hatred, an absolutely insane damage steroid from 2.0 (essentially 50% extra damage a lot of the time) is now gone, replaced with +1 to wound (in every round, not just the first).
Preferred enemy is gone.
Master crafted is gone.
Brutal is gone.
Instant death is gone.

Getting damage onto the enemy is now harder for most units. While most (not all) melee units gained an attack, between the loss of charging attacks and 2 weapon fighting this can be seen as a net neutral thing, likewise for shooting.

SOME units are going to be less durable, in particular dreads, but in general things should be dying less not more, even with the fact that some weapons can deal 2w when they couldnt before.

>>96096599
Okay thats fair. But AA tanking was scummy anyways.

>>96096600
Busted as fuck, who designed this?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:13:56 PM No.96096660
>>96096612
I asked the guy but he hasn't answered.
Replies: >>96096763
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:14:37 PM No.96096662
>>96096579
If GW cared you are fucked but we are lucky that they don't.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:14:45 PM No.96096665
>>96096451
>Not all legions used termis to hunt big things
Deathshroud are literally hand picked from across a hundred thousand by Mortarion himself. He doesn't go "hmmm yeah this guy can KILL TACTICALS" lmao
>>96096523
>Because theyre good at killing power armor safely?
The problem is that they should be good at fighting other termies. They are not. They should be. It is wrong that they are not (which they should).
>Yeah but they're not
But. They. Should. Be.
>Vets
>Numerous
10 vets do not outnumber even 5 Deathshroud, let alone the 12 you can bring
>You throw them onto a point to clear the enemy out and then sit there denying it to the enemy forever unless they commit a gross overkill worth of firepower to the task
"A single Cataphractii Praetorian squad" is not gross overkill. In fact it is the expected, reasonable and adequate force to engage a hard point like that.
Deathshroud are not for holding a point. They can capture one (like eeeevery terminator can), but unlike regular terminators, they can't hold it because they have flamers instead of 4-shot bolters
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:15:38 PM No.96096672
>>96096535
Lascannons are markedly worse at killing tanks now than they used to be.

It used to be 10 HSS lascannons firing into say, the front armour of a russ (AV14) would make 10 shots, score about 7 hits, get 2 glance/pens on the first shot then reroll thanks to sunder for another 1~2 hits and comfortably kill the russ on average rolls.

Now stationary lascannons make the same 10 shots, score the same 7 hits but usually only pen twice. Leaving the Russ operating on 2 HP.

The lascannons like, the most common anti tank gun in the game and its noticeably worse than it used to be at killing tanks. It's better against tactical marines now since it can move and still shooting them but better doesn't mean its a good use of your time.

At the very least vehicles are tougher now against most common anti tank guns other than massed melta at half range.
Replies: >>96096787
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:16:08 PM No.96096678
>>96096600
>Legioners
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:16:26 PM No.96096681
>>96096614
Man, so tempted to get a bunch of them.
Hitler Coxx 1488
7/15/2025, 6:17:07 PM No.96096686
>>96096579
>what are the minimum safeguards for copyright standards?
Don't tie your discord account to your main email, silly. Let GW sue hitlercoxx1488@gmail.com for all you care
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:17:44 PM No.96096690
>>96096630
It's really not. Half those weapons are on dreads that hit less now or on specific characters
A bunch of the others have no AP. The flamestorm cannon lost torrent and have no ap
Critical hits is very limited and shred goes on weapons that have no ap as well and most of the time you don't want fighting models where it matters
Chainswords attacking terminators went from wounding 75% of the time to losing the charge attack and wounding 33%. Them being D2 1 out of every 6 to wound rolls does not compensate at all
Replies: >>96096732
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:18:38 PM No.96096699
>>96096614
Can't believe the legions stole our Tarantulas. Can't have shit around Saturn.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:18:56 PM No.96096702
Shield trait only gives you the Shieldwall! reaction?
Replies: >>96096719 >>96096737
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:19:26 PM No.96096709
>>96096641
>2.0: "Hey, I know you're hitting on a 2, but if you get a 1, you re-roll it, meaning you got from a hit 5/6 of the time to 35/36 of the time."
Thanks for bringing that up, I totally forgot to mention that heavy BS5 shooting is basically gone now thanks to the nerf to dreads. So you dont have super accurate heavy weapons roaming around in every game.

>3.0: "Hey, if you roll a 6 on a chainsword, we double the damage. Have Fun."
Dealing 2x damage on a 6 is a smaller damage increase than rerolling failed wound rolls.

A chainsword hit into a veteran in 2.0 does 1*3/4*1/3*1 damage (0.25)
A chainsword hit into a veteran in 3.0 does 1*1/6*1/3*2+1*1/3*1/3*1 damage (0.222222....)

And thats the best case scenario for chainswords (well, the actual best case scenario for the new chainswords would be some sort of t6 zero save unit I guess, but even there theyre going to barely outperform old shred). Into normal 1w marines (which are what chainswords will normally attack) its a flat 50% damage reduction since the multiple wound aspect literally doesent matter.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:19:43 PM No.96096713
Warhammer-40000-Imperial-Knight-Imperium-3153050
Warhammer-40000-Imperial-Knight-Imperium-3153050
md5: 15ca29f252c4d386b3781e964fa4ae3d๐Ÿ”
Knight leaks when?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:19:57 PM No.96096714
>>96096630
You can count the number of Native BS6+ units in the game on your fingers anon.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:20:32 PM No.96096719
>>96096702
Yes. The +1 toughness also means shit in a edition where instant death no longer exists. It's useless.
Replies: >>96096739
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:20:53 PM No.96096724
>>96096456
I love how you went through the effort of starting every file in a folder with a number but windows is actually legit too retarded to parse it, auto sorting it different for every file and when opening it in photos mixing the order again so it sometimes starts you in the middle or end so I can't just read it in order.
Replies: >>96096809 >>96096843
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:21:41 PM No.96096729
>>96093554
To slowly crush the "testicles" of the rancid reeking numale poofter who first proposed femstodes in a hydraulic vice and feed the resulting goo to anyone who was involved in okaying them.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:21:45 PM No.96096731
EvCXrHyXYAQJlWt
EvCXrHyXYAQJlWt
md5: 118551e890b5c84964776d60412f7584๐Ÿ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SihEAMIJeh8

I still hate you circle and I won't play your hacked together favoritism you call an edition
Replies: >>96096741
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:21:54 PM No.96096732
>>96096690
>and shred goes on weapons that have no ap as well
Thats not quite true. Theres now a not insignificant number of "terranic greatsword at home" weapons like carsoran power axes and master crafted power axes (the IH ones) which have a decent shred number on top of their breaching or whatever to let them punch at 2w 2+ armor (essentially like what terranic greatswords used to do/still do). Chainglaives too althiough theyre only 6+.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:22:02 PM No.96096733
IMG_9751
IMG_9751
md5: 677a7dd579c19eef9a1ab48944e62125๐Ÿ”
Anyone got an idea on how to price a 4k point army out if I want to sell it? My traitor BA got got molested and I was already planning on selling it during 2.0.

List:
Inferno Pistol Moritat
Praevian
JP Hammer Praetor

5 Crimson Paladins
Boxnought with Fist and Plasma
2 unpainted BA contemptors
5 converted Dawnbreakers
10 veterans with claw
MK5 apoth

20 despoilers
2x 10 Tartaros w/ sgt Hammer, 5 dual LC, 5 power fists

5 jetbikes
5 seekers

Leviathan dread

Kytan daemon engine

Some of the stuff ainโ€™t pictured but the general painting quality is consistent I think. Drop pods got sold a while ago.
Replies: >>96096779 >>96097332 >>96097342
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:22:07 PM No.96096734
>>96096614
what HBs do tarantulas have?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:22:17 PM No.96096737
>>96096702
Yes. +1 toughness means a lot in the edition where bolters shoot twice across their full range. I love it.
Wish Breachers (and similar special units) could use it with the same provisions Phalanx Warders can (free but locks you in place)
Replies: >>96096748
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:22:30 PM No.96096739
>>96096719
oh god breacher are really shit.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:22:48 PM No.96096741
>>96096731
Buy an ad.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:23:37 PM No.96096748
>>96096737
>Wish Breachers (and similar special units) could use it with the same provisions Phalanx Warders can (free but locks you in place)
I think phalanx warders should have some special things going for them desu. And the posterboy unit for the reaction doing it for free just feels wrong.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:23:53 PM No.96096751
>>96093738
>>96093782
Being this literal is a symptom of autism btw.
Replies: >>96096770 >>96098071
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:24:58 PM No.96096761
Is breaching affected by hatred? Would the +1 to wound mean a breaching 6+ weapon walso breaches on 5+ against a hated target?
Replies: >>96096767 >>96096771 >>96096789
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:25:16 PM No.96096763
>>96096660
Give him a bit, he maybe works or something.
Replies: >>96096854
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:25:15 PM No.96096764
40kiddie
40kiddie
md5: 6996281e9b67dfcaab5e8dba69281599๐Ÿ”
What was the turning point that lobotomized these people?
>I want militia to be the imperial guard.
Just play guard you fucker and leave militia alone, this is an army for conversions not one to allow 40niggers to jump in and ruin this system too more than they already have. I should stop looking at the discord even if I see more models getting posted there.
Replies: >>96096784 >>96096867
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:25:44 PM No.96096767
>>96096761
No, modifiers do not affect rules that take effect on a certain dice roll.
Replies: >>96096786
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:25:56 PM No.96096770
>>96096751
Asking a question and not expecting an answer is a symptom of being a woman
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:26:08 PM No.96096771
>>96096761
All rules are always on unmodified rolls
Replies: >>96096786
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:27:04 PM No.96096777
>>96096665
>hmmm yeah this guy can KILL TACTICALS
No wonder he lost. Let his opponents farm VP while he was aura farming.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:27:39 PM No.96096779
>>96096733
I'm sorry for your loss bro. They massacred you. It's a beautiful army.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:27:48 PM No.96096784
>>96096764
I in fact think we should do our upmost to scare away 40k players
Replies: >>96096805 >>96096824
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:28:00 PM No.96096786
>>96096767
>>96096771
Thanks for the clarification anons, was trying to figure out if the headhunter banestrike combis are as bad as they look (they are)
Replies: >>96096823 >>96096862 >>96096907 >>96097098
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:28:14 PM No.96096787
>>96096672
Melta is also weird now. It operates in this spot where most of the time it will bounce off, but if it gets a good shot off it does massively gross overkill damage to a tank. So its a bit hard to quantify how lethal it is.

But yes, the loss of armorbane/sunder for the purposes of penetrating vehicles made them more durable. Hullpoints are nearly doubled on some tanks, and penetrating them is now harder than ever. So while some guns can deal severe damage to them (damage 4 arachnus lascannons are s10) between the loss of accuracy and reliability to penetrate theyre if not outright more durable then "more variantly durable", where theyre going to have very feast or famine survival (as opposed to reliably dying but maybe a bit slower).

The IW and NL trait no longer help killing tanks either, and haywire is gone.
Replies: >>96096884
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:28:18 PM No.96096789
>>96096761
Everything is affected by hatred. Not on the tabletop. I mean like, your general vibe, bro.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:30:23 PM No.96096805
>>96096784
We already failed that during 2.0

We should have gatekept harder. HH has already been ruined by the refugees.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:31:04 PM No.96096809
>>96096724
>windows is actually legit too retarded
windows can sort by name, it looks fine on my screen.
Replies: >>96096865
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:32:41 PM No.96096822
>>96096456
thank you my friend
Replies: >>96096847
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:32:41 PM No.96096823
>>96096786
Theyre 4 shots each at BS5(?) s5(?). Theyre not bad at all.
Replies: >>96096834
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:32:43 PM No.96096824
>>96096784
This.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:34:01 PM No.96096834
>>96096823
>Strength 4 AP 4
They're garbage. Might as well take more tactical marines at that point.
Replies: >>96096907
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:35:23 PM No.96096843
>>96096534
>>96096550
>>96096724
Ok bros, it seems like the search function also works; it's crazy how you can just find the stuff you need on the internet.

litter.catbox.moe/9zh539zknqu9vqso.pdf
Replies: >>96096847 >>96096873 >>96097207 >>96097301
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:36:25 PM No.96096847
>>96096822
np, check out this >>96096843
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:37:16 PM No.96096854
>>96096763
I suppose... I just want the template so I can write the units for 40k and 3.0 in that format. 3.0 is closer but still worse for no reason?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:38:04 PM No.96096862
>>96096786
Hatred is also only in close combat anyways. T.sad about terror squads Not too sad mind, a rhino rush of a vokite squad of terrors might be pretty good
Replies: >>96096885
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:38:13 PM No.96096865
>>96096809
no clue why, I have to manually sort by name and it force separates by date, but in that case at least keeps the order when viewing the images,
When opening a file where I seemingly don't have to manually sort it jumbles the order when opening the images.
Must've fucked it up when extracting, since the compressed folder are nice and neat and orderly.
Replies: >>96096902
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:38:53 PM No.96096867
images (10) (3)
images (10) (3)
md5: b4b3a572d9099182463435727bed5758๐Ÿ”
>>96096764
Solar auxilia is elite imperial army. Like, the top third of it...meaning there's 2/3rd that are not solar auxilia.
But they're also not Militia, because those (at least in 2.0) represent things closer to PDF garrisons, cultist rabble, indigenous early crusade forces and so on. Meaning they're not the bulk of the Imperial Army either.
So, there's a human force in between SA and Militia, and they dress like this? I wouldn't have minded in 2.0. Idk their stats or cost in 3.0
Replies: >>96096891 >>96096905 >>96096954 >>96097168
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:39:13 PM No.96096872
>>96095394
So after a model dies, you could do another recovery check when you move to the next one?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:39:14 PM No.96096873
>>96096843
a gentleman and a scholar
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:40:15 PM No.96096884
>>96096787
10 meltaguns at max range cannot damage a russes front armour at all because they're S8 and only get armourbane at half range. They hit 7 times, glance once and inflict a single status.

Get them six inches closer and they hit 7 times, pen once, instantly deal 6 damage and slag the Russ.

In 2.0 melta did 1 glancing hit at range same as in 3.0 but at half range they gain armourbane so like, 3~4 penetrating hits into the front armour which also slag the russ.

Melta works very differently now mechanically but the end result of killing vehicles in half range is unchanged.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:40:23 PM No.96096885
>>96096862
Does hatred activate on a disordered charge?
Replies: >>96096889
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:40:50 PM No.96096886
the villain's faithful henchmen
the villain's faithful henchmen
md5: baba360cf02bb062a17b56aec13543e6๐Ÿ”
Sure.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:41:25 PM No.96096889
>>96096885
Hatred is just a flat +1 to wound vs the enemy in melee now (forever), its not a charge related rule any more.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:41:55 PM No.96096891
the villain's faithful henchmen
the villain's faithful henchmen
md5: a60d40e61be815f8df097c6e823670e9๐Ÿ”
>>96096867
Sure.
Replies: >>96096900
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:42:59 PM No.96096900
>>96096891
me when i need to pee vs me when i need to poop
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:43:18 PM No.96096902
>>96096865
I think it might read one format first and then the other one. Like JPGs first and BMPs go after, or something. This can be turned off as well i think
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:43:32 PM No.96096905
218px-M-Vostroyan-F
218px-M-Vostroyan-F
md5: 38011a4b2d3f12e0a87adf2048939941๐Ÿ”
>>96096867
I'd kill for plastic vostroyans, especially if I can give all of them the cool gasmasks.
Replies: >>96096975
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:43:55 PM No.96096907
>>96096834
I don't know how much Headhunters cost. How many tacticals should they kill?
>>96096786
Also, they went from 3 attacks on the charge to only 1: no more +1A from charging, no more +1A from having two CCW.
You are either written as a melee unit, or you aren't.
Replies: >>96096924 >>96096936 >>96096989 >>96097039
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:46:06 PM No.96096923
What are folks expecting on friday?
Replies: >>96096940 >>96096947 >>96097082
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:46:10 PM No.96096924
>>96096907
>You are either written as a melee unit, or you aren't.
Or youre terror squads, who have 2A but want to be a ranged unit.
Replies: >>96097152
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:47:10 PM No.96096936
>>96096907
125 points for the first 5 headhunters, +20 for each extra one
Replies: >>96096946 >>96096987
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:47:33 PM No.96096940
>>96096923
Public execution of the team al quaeda style. More seriously I expect damage control where they point people towards the legacies doc.
Replies: >>96096972 >>96096994
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:48:28 PM No.96096946
>>96096936
So theyre worth 2 tacticals each, have 2x the firepower of a tactical (no heavy, but theyre also better BS and breaching). Seems fairly even there.
Replies: >>96096981 >>96096987
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:48:29 PM No.96096947
>>96096923
Not much. If we're lucky GW will show more of the models they've already teased during the HH 3.0 reveal stream. But it's just gonna be femstodes
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:48:47 PM No.96096954
>>96096867
Couldn't you create such a force with the right combination of providence?
Replies: >>96096977
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:50:49 PM No.96096972
>>96096940
If the entire rules hadn't leaked the legacies rules would have been known at the same time as everything else. But the leakers completely ruined that, and people these days are too retarded to realise they're working with incomplete information.
Wonder how much outrage there would have been in that instance, depending on how much stuff is in the legacies of course.
Replies: >>96097100 >>96097128
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:51:36 PM No.96096975
>>96096905
Plastic Vostroyans would been cool AF. unfortunately Valhallans are more likely since they're actually still mentioned by GW.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:51:58 PM No.96096977
>>96096954
He can in 1.0 but he's just missing a couple of army units which he would hardly be barred from taking by other players. Same in 2.0 except that according to some people the militia and third line type have to go for an IA force, ymmv on if they should. It's probably going to be the much of the same for 3.0.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:52:14 PM No.96096979
i am the only one that think that it is weird that hellguns aren't a thing in HH?
Replies: >>96097001 >>96097086
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:52:19 PM No.96096981
>>96096946
They die just as easy as a tactical marine though, only 1 wound with a 3+ save. There is no world in which headhunters will trade even, even when shooting fucking tactical marines.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:53:24 PM No.96096987
>>96096936
Hmmm I'm not convinced. At least they can infiltrate two Precision 4+ Multi-meltas? That ought to do something.
>>96096946
Exactly. Meaning you might be better off using actual tacticals instead.
Maybe a Recon or Seeker comparison would be more apt
Replies: >>96097004
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:53:36 PM No.96096989
>>96096907
They're 125 base, 145 with multi melta, and can take meltabombs at 5 pts per. They're hot garbage, especially compared to seekers. It's kind of insane that in all three editions they're just worst seekers (aside from the 2.0 melta death squad).
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:54:06 PM No.96096994
>>96096940
"and for out HH presentation we got a konrad curze cosplayer to publicly flay our SG office supervisor stephen, everyone say hi to stephen!"
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:54:56 PM No.96097001
>>96096979
SA and militia have blast las weapons which are exactly the same thing but with a chance of blowing up when used and more rudimentary. Considering SA are meant to be the best equipped force hellguns might still not have been created.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:55:08 PM No.96097004
>>96096987
Seekers do seem absolutely nuts, their only issue is they take an elite slot which is otherwise hard to get by (unless youre DA, and you can just take a firewing detachment).
Replies: >>96097022 >>96097105
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:55:56 PM No.96097007
forced
forced
md5: 54ee0dd26562281ff3bbe6a0c12f3ffb๐Ÿ”
>Force axe is AP 2 at -1 iniative
....WHAT!??!
Replies: >>96097014 >>96097016 >>96097027 >>96097067
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:56:57 PM No.96097014
>>96097007
GW is totally fine with having AP2 axes. But chooses not to LMAO
Replies: >>96097049
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:57:05 PM No.96097015
All this headhunter discussion is obfuscating the true weird Alpha Legion choice, which is "Why did they change exodus from a HQ choice to a role that's in the Alpha Legion special detachment, but then ban him from being in said detachment?"
Replies: >>96097034 >>96097129
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:57:12 PM No.96097016
>>96097007
and you make it D2 with a successful psychic check
Replies: >>96098041
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:57:40 PM No.96097022
>>96097004
AL can spam seekers too with their headhunter leviathal detachment.
Those fucking snakes really got everything...
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:58:01 PM No.96097027
>>96097007
Paragon of battle librarians can be pretty scary
Replies: >>96097038
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:58:43 PM No.96097034
>>96097015
Probably to stop people from allying in 50 exodii
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:59:00 PM No.96097038
>>96097027
Dont need paragon of battle, divination has a "always hits on 2+" gambit and makes you a functional I+1 for challenges with duellists edge(2)
Divination librarians are scary.
Replies: >>96098041
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:59:23 PM No.96097039
>>96096907
>You are either written as a melee unit, or you aren't.

This really does piss me off in the new edition. I used to run my auxilia as penal regiments with bayonets in 2.0. Gave my rifle sections a 6+++ and furious charge.

On the charge these retards made 2 attacks each at strength 5 while being primarily a ranged unit. Was it good? God no, i lost out on close order and usually only ever made snapshots with my guys but it was funny.

In 3.0 these mooks are 1 attack each at S3, unless I'm charging militia or cyberzombies the Bayonet is literally useless. Shit sucks.
Replies: >>96097152
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:00:24 PM No.96097049
>>96097014
The force axe is hardly a "standard issue" weapon. Both it and the crozius are overstatted for a regular power weapon, theyre also on a character who is locked to the weapon and cant upgrade for a thunder hammer or whatever. So it balances out.

It wouldnt work if they just had sekhmet terminators running around with force axes on everyone, thatd be nuts.
Replies: >>96097103
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:02:56 PM No.96097067
>>96097007
Tbh this is exactly what axes SHOULD be. They then fill the roll as an anti powerfist /hammer weapon
Replies: >>96097112
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:04:13 PM No.96097082
>>96096923
My money's on Skitarii Pilgryms. The hint video had one dude in a Pilgrim hat and we got Skitarii hints at the Saturnine reveal.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:05:00 PM No.96097086
>>96096979
Hellguns would never see the light of day in 30k because they're relatively easy to use and produce and they kill space marines. The legiones would never give mortals access to weapons effective against them in case a rebellion happened.

Then a rebellion did happen, but it sure as shit wasn't the army who started it. After the Heresy Guilliman pulled astartes out of imperial politics and the high Lords probably commissioned the production of Hellguns as anti spare marine weapons.
Replies: >>96097175
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:06:02 PM No.96097098
>>96096786
everyone else on the internet is complaining about how OP mech look, so AP4 might serve you well
Replies: >>96097115 >>96097187
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:06:08 PM No.96097100
>>96096972
I guess so. I find it interesting that they already gave the testers the journal too.
Replies: >>96097117
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:06:17 PM No.96097103
>>96097049
A Billion imperial forgeworlds.

You can have has many Force Axes as you desire.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:06:33 PM No.96097105
>>96097004
Assume infiltration ran its course and you're targeting a second target
>Seekers shoot 2 Breaching 4+ shots from 30" away
>Headhunters shoot 0, rush 11"
>Seekers shoot another 2 Breaching 4+ shots
>Headhunters move 1", shoot 4 Breaching 6+ shots
What is the Headhunter's niche? Init 6 knives...so? Single attack.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:07:13 PM No.96097112
>>96097067
>this is exactly what axes should be
S+2 Ap2 D2 at I-1? Are you retarded?

>they can be anti fist/hammer weapons
The anti powerfist weapon IS hammers anon
Axes swing before hammers but have substantially less damage because theyre also substantially cheaper. Theyre a budget weapon to let someone get wounds into 2+ saves.
Replies: >>96097164 >>96097226
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:07:32 PM No.96097115
>>96097098
Didn't anyone tell you? Thallaxii have a 3+ save now. AP4 is officially just for killing humans.
Replies: >>96097124
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:07:51 PM No.96097117
>>96097100
Well that is a book they're selling, so just another of the products that "influencers" get early for free.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:08:38 PM No.96097123
>>96092981
Flip side isn't a scalper it's got great service too
They always ship within 24hrs of payment and it get there in like 5 days max.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:08:43 PM No.96097124
>>96097115
oh, oh no
Replies: >>96097147
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:09:01 PM No.96097128
>>96096972
Minus all the reviewers having had their reviews finished ready to publish with the same information before the leaks? Leaks didn't change anything other than the timing of the outrage. GW not giving reviewers even a heads-up to legacies was a huge mistake.
Replies: >>96097155
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:09:04 PM No.96097129
>>96097015
The what? I must've missed that bit. He's not a Centurion anymore? I'm angry he can no longer join anyone at all. Not even recons or Headhunters or seekers or whatever. Saboteurs ("specialist") can.
I did run him solo at times, but it was nice to have the option
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:09:25 PM No.96097132
file
file
md5: 645e53a6b76fc7a2318c6a149e39d72a๐Ÿ”
full core rulebook pdf
https://files.catbox.moe/98h6h7.pdf
Replies: >>96097176 >>96097207 >>96097227 >>96097301
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:10:20 PM No.96097141
>>96094338
Because Ultramarines are the greatest of them all.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:11:34 PM No.96097147
cKU2xKk
cKU2xKk
md5: 4f7b1d29d3c20ae0eca52776a1407270๐Ÿ”
>>96097124
Oh yes. 20 ppm BTW.
Replies: >>96097181 >>96097206 >>96097214 >>96097359 >>96097386
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:12:05 PM No.96097152
>>96097039
Yeah, charges empowered the active player. Now it's equalized, and the real thing is deciding who to engage. Eh, it's a sidegrade โ€“ you aren't the attacker half the time after all.
I wouldn't be bitching this much if Seekers were 2A like >>96096924's Terror squads, is what I'm saying.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:12:42 PM No.96097155
thh_roadmap-jul02-downloads25-tau6rllfkc
thh_roadmap-jul02-downloads25-tau6rllfkc
md5: 9546c5394c157788fb08c38a82adc99f๐Ÿ”
>>96097128
I mean, that we're getting legacies rules is public knowledge, if only people would actually FUCKING READ
Replies: >>96097185 >>96097186
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:14:05 PM No.96097164
>>96097112
No. S+1 AP2 D1 Init-1. Terminators are 2W 5/4++, they can take it
Replies: >>96097184
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:14:44 PM No.96097168
Imperial Army
Imperial Army
md5: 37b63b3b31216a85665b3f037c1f67ce๐Ÿ”
>>96096867
>they dress like this
For winter campaigns.

SA just represents one regiment type of the Imperial Army. The single biggest, most successful regiment type, second only to Marines. And of course the regiment type has its sub-types to boot, rather than GW having to actually make other actual lists. Like having Catachans be the face of IG while also pulling duty as armoured companies and nothing really referencing their jungle fighting origins.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:15:35 PM No.96097175
>>96097086
Anon, ONE squad gets access to hellguns. And they would be S3 AP3, no breaching at all. Marines have T4, they can take it (and would force them into cover, for once)
Replies: >>96097204 >>96097236
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:15:45 PM No.96097176
>>96097132
That's some quality DP.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:16:25 PM No.96097181
>>96097147
Phased plasma for 10 points on all of these guys is absolute bullshit
Replies: >>96097199
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:16:37 PM No.96097184
>>96097164
>legatine axes should be standard power weapons
lol
Replies: >>96097218
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:16:38 PM No.96097185
>>96097155
Yes we know. We don't know the scope and what is getting turned into paid DLC. Legacies could be ports of of basic things like boxnaughts and Destroyers, but be missing options and entries like praetorian on bike. Not knowing the scope of legacies is the issue. If GW told reviewers, hey legacies day 1 adds missing datasheets for XYZ then this all would have already blown over. The fact they didn't should concern anyone. How much is missing? How much is being added in panic right now to be ready for the 26th? If it releases and it's perfect, was it always the case or did outage save us?
Replies: >>96097363
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:16:44 PM No.96097186
>>96097155
Maybe people can read, and they're far less convinced that the Legacies will fix much.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:16:48 PM No.96097187
>>96097098
>AP4 might serve you well
Banestrike was invented specifically to breach power armour, not carapace.
They could be S4 AP3. It would still fail to wound marines half the time, they can take it.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:18:40 PM No.96097199
NCZNhxP
NCZNhxP
md5: bfcf053a038c6bca6f6be070eb8f156c๐Ÿ”
>>96097181
Their lightning guns aren't even that bad either, they're heavy bolters with assault and suppressive.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:18:53 PM No.96097202
>>96095170
Because he got access to the book early through his wife and figured he can scoop up the new people who don't know any better.
It's all about the money. He always talks about how much he loves Necromunda, for years, yet he never made that into a channel (not enough money through shilling).
He is just another faggot grifter
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:19:05 PM No.96097204
>>96097175
>And they would be S3 AP5 like in 3e and 4e
FTFY
Maybe Breaching (6+) with Overload.
Replies: >>96097234
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:19:10 PM No.96097206
>>96097147
Didnt they use to have 3w?
Replies: >>96097438
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:19:19 PM No.96097207
EDI_way_too_dank (1)
EDI_way_too_dank (1)
md5: 33f67d57c94519af2bae945e2c085b90๐Ÿ”
>>96097132
>>96096843
SO MANY PDFS TODAY! (two)
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:19:27 PM No.96097214
>>96097147
>Yet another edition of thallax being absolute cancer
Replies: >>96097305 >>96097524
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:19:51 PM No.96097218
>>96097184
Legatine axes were S(User) AP2 Initiative (User), retard-kun. They are weaker, faster axes. At Damage 1, terminators and even veterans can survive it, and for regular 1W marines, they are not any different from regular swords, failing to wound half the time.
They could take it.
Replies: >>96097231
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:20:36 PM No.96097226
>>96097112
No I meant they should be ap2 -1 init s+1
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:20:38 PM No.96097227
>>96097132
very well anon, thank you!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:21:08 PM No.96097231
>>96097218
>Legatine axes were S(User) AP2 Initiative (User), retard-kun. They are weaker, faster axes.
And they were nuts, and that unit was absolutely busted.
Replies: >>96097246 >>96097253
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:21:28 PM No.96097234
>>96097204
That's a lot of acrobatics for a lasgun that pierces power armour, anon
Replies: >>96097292
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:21:40 PM No.96097236
1752203300630621m
1752203300630621m
md5: 95676731bf4416d5ad744c8ff291afec๐Ÿ”
>>96097175
I'm not making a gameplay argument, I'm saying that in universe marines would have thrown a bitch fit if the Imperial army started getting bulk shipments of a gun made to kill space marines. They were bitching constantly about normies even with the Army neutered against them.
Replies: >>96097261
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:23:12 PM No.96097246
>>96097231
Suzerains were nuts because they were essentially Tartaros with 5A and you could fit 10 in a Land Raider. Know your complaints.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:24:28 PM No.96097253
>>96097231
>The axe was broken
No the unit they were on was busted as shit, being able to get like 5 attacks at ws5 while having a 2+ 4++ was fucking stupid. But an ap 2 axe at -1 init is not a problem
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:24:52 PM No.96097257
file
file
md5: 22f5f24cdda4b9a2938c14768bcdac05๐Ÿ”
>only the base matters, you only measure to the base
Replies: >>96097278
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:24:55 PM No.96097258
>>96096665
>The problem is that they should be good at fighting other termies
Why?
Plowing units with heavily armed and armored units for easy kills is basic strategy.
You are talking about using rocks on rocks, instead of hammers on rocks.
Replies: >>96097276 >>96097291
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:25:03 PM No.96097261
>>96097236
I guess they did throw a fit in 30k after seeing the galaxy they conquered be ruled by undeserving mortal weaklings who hadn't even been born yet
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:25:28 PM No.96097266
UM detachment
UM detachment
md5: d795d2087aaadc56690051c54d740ee6๐Ÿ”
Can you unlock auxiliary detachments from the Command slots of other auxiliary detachments?
Replies: >>96097297 >>96097313 >>96097357
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:26:25 PM No.96097276
>>96097258
>Why
BECAUSE THEY'RE A RETINUEEEEEE xDD
Replies: >>96097285
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:26:36 PM No.96097278
>>96097257
Chest-high-walls-don't-block-AOS anons in shambles.
Replies: >>96097378
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:27:42 PM No.96097285
>>96097276
This, if the selling point of your retinue is "bro they are great at killing MEQ" it's a shit retinue because your wasting so many points If you are running them into mooks like holy shit
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:28:16 PM No.96097291
>>96097258
This is HH, everybody always wants to have their hot marine-on-marine grinding session by throwing their terminator brick into their opponent's terminator brick.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:28:27 PM No.96097292
>>96097234
It has more power, that is all. How that's represented in the rules has different greatly. 2e hot-shot power packs just gave +1 to Str. Lasguns were already AP-1 stock (same as bolters). In 3e they became S3 AP5, so mostly no different from lasguns. If you think they're going to keep hot-shot lasguns AP3 when even the terminator slaying plasma gun gets to be mere AP4, you're delusional.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:28:41 PM No.96097297
>>96097266
Yes, unless otherwise specified by the detachment or you use special assignment
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:29:17 PM No.96097301
>>96097132
>>96096843
ANOTHER SCANON HAS ARISEN
Replies: >>96097331
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:29:32 PM No.96097305
NMzDS0k
NMzDS0k
md5: 2f73c915bbb81e5f8d17a09b82424543๐Ÿ”
>>96097214
Ursarax might also end up pretty crazy honestly. Six of these bastards put out 30 S4 AP3 swings.
Replies: >>96097355 >>96097386 >>96097471
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:30:13 PM No.96097313
>>96097266
Yes, can have a auxiliary detachment for each command slot filled in any detachment.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:31:43 PM No.96097331
>>96097301
sorry, I just lifted it off of telegram
Replies: >>96097398 >>96097836
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:31:45 PM No.96097332
>>96096733
Keep it, you fool. Unless you really need the cash.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:32:58 PM No.96097342
>>96096733
>Thinking HH models will be worth anything now that GW killed the game with 3.0
Lol. Lmao, even.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:33:57 PM No.96097353
file
file
md5: 0db4c14e6fb359072e1672cff7ea5aff๐Ÿ”
>GW unmasked
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:34:33 PM No.96097355
>>96097305
6 for 150 points is kind of insane
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:34:43 PM No.96097357
>>96097266
You can get an unlimited number of Optae by making a chain of these
Replies: >>96097397
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:34:46 PM No.96097359
>>96097147
>not line(X)
Iโ€™m less afraid now. Unless thereโ€™s a rule that buffs their scoring value itโ€™s annoying but not the end of the world.
Replies: >>96097373 >>96097421
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:35:22 PM No.96097363
>>96097185
All I know is that the legacy docs and the inevitable day one errata will be what conclusively decides whether I even buy into this edition.
Replies: >>96097393
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:36:45 PM No.96097373
>>96097359
I think mechanicum will be functioning on "kill all the line units" this edition
Replies: >>96097402
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:37:06 PM No.96097378
>>96097278
measuring distances and assessing line of sight are different things though
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:38:00 PM No.96097386
>>96097305
>>96097147
They seem to have lost their jet pack gimmick tho
Can't have everything I guess
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:38:37 PM No.96097393
>>96097363
There won't be day one errata, this is a specialist game. It will be 3 months before anything is addressed.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:39:02 PM No.96097397
>>96097357
I mean Optae are pretty shit tho
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:39:02 PM No.96097398
>>96097331
It is still a glorious day, anon; you did what hundreds of other anons were unable toโ€”you brought enlightenment to all of us.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:39:41 PM No.96097402
>>96097373
Yes, I think that if you only bring like 3-4 line(X) units that youโ€™re going to have a bad time. Master of Signals is going to be an auto-include in every one of my lists as an emergency backup option.
Replies: >>96097460
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:42:35 PM No.96097421
kMTuYkz
kMTuYkz
md5: e498829264045b9c2fd19815d42135b4๐Ÿ”
>>96097359
Admech are weird, their characters are the ones with this special rule and they give it to any unit they join.
Replies: >>96097441
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:44:10 PM No.96097438
>>96097206
Yes, they lost 1 W, gained 1 WS, 3+ save and 1 Initiative.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:44:28 PM No.96097441
>>96097421
But they can't keep up with thallax or ursarax, they lost the ability to take jump packs
Replies: >>96097490 >>96097503
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:47:10 PM No.96097460
n9Dt1zm
n9Dt1zm
md5: 7d98fe1b6fde184c259914a4271e7884๐Ÿ”
>>96097402
Cheapest way to get comptroller is the humble techpriest who is essentially a 30 point upgrade for line (1) on a unit. Magi are 100 points and have Comptroller (2) instead.
Replies: >>96097483 >>96097489 >>96097514
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:48:36 PM No.96097471
>>96097305
They also have the Lacrymaerta apex detachment that gives you three units with prime slots and the prime benefit of +2S and +1W so that's a 30 S6 AP3 blender if you juice them up
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:49:53 PM No.96097483
>>96097460
How can they join units?
Sorry if it's a silly question but I am struggling to understand how to use them.
Replies: >>96097501 >>96097502
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:50:57 PM No.96097489
>>96097460
A basic bitch, 30p tech-priest is a cybertheurgist?
Did they kneecap the power a lot or something?
Replies: >>96097526 >>96097575
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:51:20 PM No.96097490
lGH8xC4
lGH8xC4
md5: 28d461813176c603605db17ca7c08e3a๐Ÿ”
>>96097441
True, you'll probably want to stick your comptrollers in with Castellax or Vorax to walk onto the objectives your Ursarax clear.
Replies: >>96097513
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:51:58 PM No.96097501
>>96097483
Nta. Specialist unit type lets you join units without being command
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:52:00 PM No.96097502
file
file
md5: fb15c96d74ecb5a3336a2364fb5ce77e๐Ÿ”
>>96097483
specialists can just freely join units
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:52:02 PM No.96097503
>>96097441
Have we seen the mechanicum wargear list?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:52:58 PM No.96097513
>>96097490
Yeah, thallax and ursarax are for annihilating whoever stands near them (and they're at least marginally less helpless in melee with WS4, although they still have low leadership and I)
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:53:02 PM No.96097514
>>96097460
Do we have the pages for the wargear lists?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:54:18 PM No.96097524
>>96097214
They lost jump-shoot-jump though afaik, big sad.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:54:33 PM No.96097526
R68fAPi
R68fAPi
md5: 9476912e042a5e28e51d39ed262cbbb2๐Ÿ”
>>96097489
They can only take one rite, Magi can take as many as they want and are also better at manifesting them.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:56:10 PM No.96097544
Does Bayonet trait do anything? Can't find any reference to it in rules.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:56:26 PM No.96097547
retcon
retcon
md5: e4cfafd8e8feeb1488240952ba35982c๐Ÿ”
This again? Why do they do this? Haven't they seen how much people were angry at getting normal army regiments retconned to solar auxilia cohorts?
Replies: >>96097592
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:59:45 PM No.96097575
>>96097489
Well you can pick between either getting +1 move and init (+3 move for vehicles), +1 S and T (+1 AV for vehicles), or +1 WS and BS (just +BS for vehicles), all of them with do some random amount auto wound AP5 D1 when they wear off, and they can't stack. I'd say it's a wash in terms of buff capability? But a lot of Automata got knocked down to WS3 BS3 except for elites who still get WS4 BS4 (including the poor daemon engines, knocked down from their peg lol), so they kind of need the cybertheurgy buffs
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:01:31 PM No.96097592
1689493352386602
1689493352386602
md5: 5a01ef1427e720b6028ba72afdc44297๐Ÿ”
>>96097547
>Saturnine void troopers were used during the Unification Wars on Terra
>Saturnine exo-suits were also used during the Unification Wars on Terra
>all before even Luna was conquered, let alone Mars or the rest of the solar system
Replies: >>96097634 >>96098245
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:01:57 PM No.96097597
why shouldnt I spend 1200+pts on 120 techthralls
Replies: >>96097621 >>96097624 >>96097635 >>96097641 >>96097669
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:04:28 PM No.96097621
>>96097597
please tell me thralls aren't 10ppm
Replies: >>96097638 >>96097646 >>96097649 >>96097686
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:04:41 PM No.96097624
>>96097597
because you also have to buy, assemble and paint the fuckers
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:05:27 PM No.96097634
>>96097592
Yeah this shit doesn't make any sense, the Saturnine Rams were fighting alien slavers and each other in the outer solar system while the Emperor was conquering terra. You don't need to backport the solar auxilia THIS far into the lore.
Replies: >>96097652 >>96097714
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:05:30 PM No.96097635
>>96097597
Because you need to spend 2000 points on 200 tech thralls, 40 for each archmagos. Don't forget the extra 100 you need for when marines can't kill them all so you can just battlesmith up more, since your archmagos can create 8 each turn and each magos can create 6 if they have machinator arrays. Marines should be grateful GW had the wisdom to not make any detachments with prime support slots available to mech so they can't make them 2 wounds each...yet.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:05:54 PM No.96097638
1752435637951584
1752435637951584
md5: 14cbdd95e8129dba3f4f5f680125fb70๐Ÿ”
>>96097621
you don't recognize the tactical space marine statline, anon?
Replies: >>96097651 >>96097654 >>96098256
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:06:11 PM No.96097641
>>96097597
What is their purpose?
Their gun is absolute shit and they are stupidly expensive
Being super resilient is all good and well but they don't do anything aside from that and you can just leave combat this edition so it's not like tarpits are amazing
Replies: >>96097666
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:06:32 PM No.96097646
>>96097621
They literally are.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:06:43 PM No.96097649
>>96097621
They are.
At T5 they are about 3x harder to kill than they were in 2ed, but it's still wild how expensive they are, considering they die INSTANTLY to cybertheurgy
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:07:06 PM No.96097651
>>96097638
That feels underwhelming for 10pts
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:07:12 PM No.96097652
>>96097634
We've gone from "no models, no rules" to "no models, no lore".
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:07:22 PM No.96097654
>>96097638
Las-locs are
18" 1 S4 6AP - No special rules btw
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:08:13 PM No.96097666
>>96097641
Can you stop it or are you melee guys forced to just wave goodbye then getting shot to death in the next phase?
Replies: >>96097683
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:08:35 PM No.96097669
>>96097597
Because you could instead just run iron tide and spam nothing but plasma and photon thruster thallax and be unstoppable
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:10:01 PM No.96097683
>>96097666
If you win combat you can pursue or shoot them in the back
I don't see these guys doing that tho
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:10:33 PM No.96097686
>>96097621
Yeah they are, the Lacrymaerta have a prime benefit that let's you give them 2 wounds each, make them T6 and respawn 4 every turn, also they're expendable 2 so your opponent gets nothing for killing them.

A maxed squad has 80 T6 wounds with a 6+++ if you do this. If you dont then they're completely useless.
Replies: >>96097716 >>96097719
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:12:44 PM No.96097701
>New edition drops in 11 days
>Hasn't been a single article on warcom since Saturday
The community and rule teams are probably having their balls smacked in the dungeon
Replies: >>96097725 >>96097728 >>96097984 >>96098074
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:14:40 PM No.96097714
>>96097634
It also doesn't make any sense that the traitors were so butthurt about getting cut out of politics over normals if those normals were conquering for the Emperor before the primarchs were a twinkle In his eye.

Well it does make sense but only because horus was an egotistical little bitch.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:14:57 PM No.96097716
>>96097686
is that prime advantage even worth it on thralls when you can slap it on ursurax instead?
the strength bonus would be huge
Replies: >>96097750
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:15:04 PM No.96097718
On one hand, yes they're a pain to remove if you use fortify on them
On the other hand, as far as I know mech has no access to prime support slots so they can't apply prime benefits to Tech Thralls
Replies: >>96097735
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:15:12 PM No.96097719
>>96097686
Why is anyone seriously suggesting buffing them with cybertheurgy?
As soon as the buf wears off the unit suffers feedback, instantly killing 5/6 of them.
Casting cybertheurgy buffs on them is literally the most efficient way in the game to kill tech-thralls
Replies: >>96097739 >>96097745 >>96097759
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:15:58 PM No.96097725
>>96097701
New edition drops in 11 days and shit is still not sold out
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:16:16 PM No.96097728
>>96097701
I hope they're using the red whippy measuring sticks from the AoD box
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:17:03 PM No.96097735
>>96097718
They don't need it their units are fucking busted as is.
Who ever the fuck said
>You know what the plasma thanatara needs? 72" range
Needs to be slapped in the nuts with a pine cone
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:17:43 PM No.96097739
>>96097719
because you can charge them into combat then use the other cybertheurgy to strip the buff and make them explode
Replies: >>96097785
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:18:43 PM No.96097745
Screenshot_20250715_111806_Gallery
Screenshot_20250715_111806_Gallery
md5: ad199991e2125c4ee5999e266e9522bd๐Ÿ”
>>96097719
>Why is anyone seriously suggesting buffing them with cybertheurgy
Why, so you can explode them of course
Replies: >>96097761 >>96097782 >>96097785 >>96097811 >>96097874
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:19:23 PM No.96097750
>>96097716
Different uses, prime Ursarax are extremely good at killing shit while the prime Thralls can sit on an objective with a magos forever and collect at minimum 3 VP a round.

Massed volkite is the only real counter to the Thrall strat i can think of. Nothing else has the volume to chew through those wounds.
Replies: >>96097775
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:20:24 PM No.96097759
>>96097719
Its not Cyberthurgy, Its a prime upgrade like master sargent.
Replies: >>96097785
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:20:31 PM No.96097761
>>96097745
>ISIS Mechanicum
Hilarious
Replies: >>96097790
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:22:06 PM No.96097775
>>96097750
you can't even give thralls the prime trait because there is no detachment that lacymaerta has access to that gives a support slot a prime advantage
Replies: >>96097794
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:23:32 PM No.96097782
1752248367743693
1752248367743693
md5: 1f2c30e3ed0f4638cbeb997509f2f2a6๐Ÿ”
>>96097745
>Mechanicum get a bevvy of flavourful rules to represent their faction.
>chaplains lose hatred.
Imagine playing space marines in any system lmao.
Replies: >>96097789
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:23:55 PM No.96097785
>>96097759
+1 wound is a prime benefit, but +1 toughness is a cybertheurgy power

>>96097745
>>96097739
While baneling tech-thralls are funny as shit (and definitely something I'll be doing), it does completely counteract the idea of buffing them to make them tougher, and actively works against the 2W prime benefit
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:25:34 PM No.96097789
>>96097782
>Imagine playing a system and not just moving your models around making pew pew noises
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:25:40 PM No.96097790
Screenshot_2025-07-15-21-25-13-901_com.brave.browser-edit
>>96097761
>hh1 people were sometimes using rite of immolation to blow up their automata that got stuck in melee
>hh2 people were using vorax because of their s8 explosion on death
>hh3 people maybe will use thralls to suicide them into enemy units

the more things change the more they same
Replies: >>96097808
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:26:11 PM No.96097794
>>96097775
Oh wow you're not even wrong, would help if I actually checked their detachments instead of repeating what other anons have said.
Replies: >>96097827
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:27:03 PM No.96097799
Narthesium
Narthesium
md5: 68a874e20204cbff7d5d510d2af97f33๐Ÿ”
Are you supposed to recover an unsaved wound on a model in the phase when you use the Narthesium?
Because it doesn't sound like the Recovery Test was written with this in mind (since it says it happens when you allocate the unsaved wounds).
But it would be absolutely fucking retarded to reference a rule that has nothing to do with what you are doing just to have that rule reference another rule so you can make a roll based on Medic(x)...
What level of retardation are we on here?
Do you get a model back if you pass it or is this the most convoluted way of saying "roll a dice and on a 4+ you get the -2 to the status check"
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:27:11 PM No.96097800
51683213_2235297523396588_7780123581409914290_n-750x750
>>96092840 (OP)
So, how fucked are Word Bearers this edition?
Replies: >>96097868 >>96097881 >>96097954 >>96098022 >>96098033 >>96098038
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:27:57 PM No.96097808
>>96097790
>The trannies' favorite faction excel at suicide
Lol
Lmao even
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:28:55 PM No.96097811
>>96097745
>have to pass a Int8 check to give them a status before they're in combat
>have to then pass another Int6 check to blow them up
bro this is not happening except in magic christmas land
Replies: >>96097850
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:29:26 PM No.96097816
StormwingSymbol
StormwingSymbol
md5: 5cb76d837182b354776fa07daf95b647๐Ÿ”
Great news, everynyan! Despite my misreading of the Master Sgt benefit, I figured out a way to still flood the board.

Army: Dark Angels
2450 points

-Primary Detachment (635)
Praetor with terranic greatsword and bolter = 135
[PRIME] Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
- Prime Advantage: Paragon of battle
Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter =95
Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with terranic greatsword and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt

-Officer Cadre Detachment (190)
[PRIME] Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
- Prime Advantage: Paragon of battle
Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
Replies: >>96097973 >>96098211 >>96098306
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:30:28 PM No.96097824
>>96094360
thanku! they're made of smashed up bits of plaster of paris and texture paint. then just painted like rocks and caked with pigment powder.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:30:44 PM No.96097827
>>96097794
Yeah mech's got two extra faction agnostic aux detachments, one for four support to fit all the former troops (tech thalls, castellax, and thallax) and one for four troops to fit all the techpriests, although annoyingly servo Automata are stuck in retinue slot with no easy way to get them out - would've greatly appreciated another one with just two troop slots and two retinues slot that was locked to echindax
Replies: >>96097842
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:31:43 PM No.96097836
>>96097331
Telegrussy
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:32:41 PM No.96097842
file
file
md5: fa96f17ce8decdc570a6f75b96a7384f๐Ÿ”
>>96097827
if you're playing at 3k you do get to just take a warlord detachment to get a free retinue since all slots are optional
Replies: >>96097876 >>96097901
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:33:46 PM No.96097850
>>96097811
Cyber-familiars now give -2 to int checks, and if you have a second cybertheurgist in the same squad as the one casting the spell (so a basic techpriest) you get another -1. So it's an Int 11 and int 9 check respectively.

It's still shit that you have to buff them before exploding them, but at least it's not a full on hail mary to cast spells.
Replies: >>96097894
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:35:16 PM No.96097859
LorgarArt
LorgarArt
md5: 40daa6302a1d0c7ee53d7dc02cd09f0f๐Ÿ”
>horus heresy: has regular sized battles where primarchs can eat up most of your points and overwhelm the whole battle making it less interesting
>legion imperialis: has giant battles where centerpiece great leaders like primarchs would fit right in, doesn't have them
I know it's a dead game but fucking still, release some new models like daemons, new special/heavy weapon teams and primarchs.

By the way what happened to the HH mega, did James kill it?
Replies: >>96097890
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:36:09 PM No.96097868
53383260_1804111539689970_8048232317686754471_n-750x750
>>96097800
Anon?
Don't kill my hope
that's my job
Replies: >>96097954 >>96097963
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:36:57 PM No.96097873
I need to find me somewhere with good scans of HH resin units, I want to offer free prints to everyone in the local hh group just to fucking cost gw sales for this shit
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:37:13 PM No.96097874
dead-space-kamikaze_thumb.jpg
dead-space-kamikaze_thumb.jpg
md5: 94f7e1ed98a8b469590bc326a1f74d16๐Ÿ”
>>96097745
>tech-thralls more effective as a living bomb than as a model in combat
Replies: >>96097891
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:37:31 PM No.96097876
>>96097842
Nothing says you can't take as many as you want
Replies: >>96097895 >>96097901
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:37:54 PM No.96097881
>>96097800
Unique wargear gone, procurators gone, Kor doesn't buff Lorgar, Lorgar is always corrupted and a traitor, new corrupted upgrade.
Replies: >>96097948 >>96097960
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:38:43 PM No.96097890
>>96097859
You said it yourself
It's a dead game
Was dead on arrival
They released what they had in the cooker on release but nothing is ever coming out ever again
Replies: >>96097906
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:39:00 PM No.96097891
>>96097874
and the funniest fucking thing is that YOU CAN RESTORE THESE MODELS INTO THE UNIT VIA BATTLESMITH
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:39:08 PM No.96097894
>>96097850
Yeah, having a set-up move of only 1" is also going to hamper them
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:39:10 PM No.96097895
Untitled
Untitled
md5: 83639b776295200ea566045f4f943f95๐Ÿ”
>>96097876
Something does say that, unfortunately
Replies: >>96097911 >>96097967 >>96099982
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:39:46 PM No.96097901
>>96097842
>>96097876
Are you sure? A WL/LoW Detachment isn't a an auxiliary detachment.
Replies: >>96097921
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:40:08 PM No.96097906
>>96097890
They're releasing Dark Mechanicum currently.
Replies: >>96097950
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:40:55 PM No.96097911
>>96097895
Ah, so you can't even take one without a Primarch
Replies: >>96097980
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:41:51 PM No.96097921
>>96097901
nvm I did not see the actual page with the warlord detachment rules, carry on with your dooming
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:45:02 PM No.96097938
whythelongface
whythelongface
md5: 0ecdea9b21dafbd5a805c797bae23705๐Ÿ”
Valrak is right, Mark V is the next mark in the pipeline.
Replies: >>96098019 >>96098085 >>96099040 >>96099100
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:45:45 PM No.96097944
183047546
183047546
md5: 3161c8bb74357b7c9bc23028b8548234๐Ÿ”
>>96093233
>>96093246
Ended up grabbing it, turns out the discount was from it being slightly used, but other than a set of beakies and a character model, everything else appears untouched. Nothing a little TLC can't remedy!
>>96093269
Thanks, your post reminded me to ask around a little before I pulled the trigger. They sound like a welcoming bunch.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:46:14 PM No.96097948
20422719603_6b82805935_n
20422719603_6b82805935_n
md5: dcd9a188168bfa42df1fcf08633aaaa0๐Ÿ”
>>96097881
Thanks anon.
>wtf am i reading
still could be worse though.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:46:21 PM No.96097950
>>96097906
There's been one dark mech release months ago
Calm your horses
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:46:53 PM No.96097954
>>96097800
>>96097868
No tainted weapons, no warpfire gun upgrades, all the special units are boxlocked, burning lore is even more expensive and locked to high command, but other than that some cute toys here and there; +1 to combat res always, glorious martyrdom still works fine, the gambit is your character beseeching the gods for boons, gal vorbak, ashen circle and mahra gal now occupy different slots so they don't step on each others toes.
you win some you lose some
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:47:59 PM No.96097960
>>96097881
I'm not gonna miss the procurators
Gal Vorbak are paying for the sins of 2.0
Erebus is just an esoterist with a bit better stats
Replies: >>96097974
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:48:40 PM No.96097963
>>96097868
I'll give it to you straight doc
>No warpfire plasma
>No tainted weapons (not that you ever took them even if modeled lol)
>Corrupted is now both available to all traitors and simultaneously more restricted by being a prime benefit rather than an upgrade you can toss on any unit, although that's sidegraded by the fact that word bearers have more access than most thanks to our apex detachment
>Burning lore is back to being praetor only, and it just gives the esoterist discipline (but not the extra slots used for the esoterist discipline, which can only be used to summon brutes now anyway)
>No equivalent to dark brethren
>gal vorbak lost rage in an addition with no bonus attacks of charge and lost power fists, murderous strike on their claws got replaced by shred which is technically worse into anything greater than 2 wounds that didn't have eternal warrior (D3 wounds vs atomantic on a 6 vs 2 wounds on a 6)
>mhara gal is down to WS5 and I4 (still better than than other dread WS at least), it's claw is the same as gravis power fists, but it no longer nerfs other daemons nearby and it's fist gun and warpfore Cannon got buffed
Simply put, we're probably the worst traitors right now, maybe the worst legion overall. We were bad in 2nd and we lost our crutches of dark brethren and mhara gal
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:49:11 PM No.96097967
>>96097895
Finally. It's starting to make sense
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:50:40 PM No.96097973
images (7) (11)
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md5: 31952fe213ca8c906eea16a72df9f846๐Ÿ”
>>96097816
I guess all you need to do is to fill only the prime slot in the Stormwing detachment, and keep on taking new ones huh.
I still fret at how Power Scythes are bad because sergeants shouldn't be given Commmander-class weapons, then Dark Angels can spam their Commander-only weapons on Stormwing detachments
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:51:31 PM No.96097974
>>96097960
why are you dooming about gal vorbak?
they get to ignore tactical statuses and get their FNP regardless of weapon strength
weapons are way worse tho
Replies: >>96097991
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:52:00 PM No.96097979
Oh so they copypasted all the fluff from the last core book. Cool.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:52:08 PM No.96097980
>>96097911
I don't see anything that requires a Primarch
Replies: >>96097996 >>96098000
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:52:07 PM No.96097981
1721236825355686
1721236825355686
md5: a6d5b30ca8109212c73745c02ac9d451๐Ÿ”
>>96093705
>>96093738
>>96093782
Atari Wojaks were made to mock console warfags when Atari announced the 2600+, an Atari 2600 with an HDMI port.

Horus Heresy btw
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:52:30 PM No.96097984
>>96097701
Articles in advance of every release completely vanish after pre-orders go live. It's not unique to the new HH edition
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:54:19 PM No.96097991
>>96097974
You just answered your own questions
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:54:47 PM No.96097996
>>96097980
Primarchs are paragons type
Which is the only paragon unit marines have
Unlike Paragons of Battle, which are a generic prime advantage that has nothing to do with this
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:55:00 PM No.96098000
>>96097980
>A Warlord Detachment MUST ALWAYS INCLUDE AT LEAST ONE Model with the Paragon Type.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:55:58 PM No.96098009
>MKIV
>it was worn en-masse by the Emperorโ€™s
Children during the Siege of Terra.
I hoped they would forget about this lore; instead, they doubled down on it. I don't want to be in a beakie legion, bros.
Replies: >>96098017 >>96098027 >>96098067
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:57:01 PM No.96098017
beakie_EC
beakie_EC
md5: d191e7f99df1c5a764aac41c3d96c932๐Ÿ”
>>96098009
forgot pic
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:57:18 PM No.96098019
>>96097938
Give me MIV instead of that ugly leg ball shit.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:57:46 PM No.96098022
>>96097800
Itโ€™s not as bad as people say. Mara Gal no longer fucks our own units, which is huge. Gal Vorbak are only okay-ish, and probably bad for their points, idk. Lorgar has a pretty good chance of punching up against โ€œbetterโ€ primarchs because he has a high D crit 5+ weapon. Prime benefit is probably not worth giving up one of the generic ones. Less is known about how WB will play because there wonโ€™t be daemons on release, just like last edition unfortunately.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:58:23 PM No.96098027
>>96098009
MK IV or MK VI?
I have lots of TSons in MK VI because I like Corvidae
Replies: >>96098057 >>96098151
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:59:07 PM No.96098033
>>96097800
Who cares, nobody will be playing 3.0
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:59:37 PM No.96098038
>>96097800
On a more positive note, ashen circle look great and while our units got hit hard, I donโ€™t believe it knocked them down too far. Hard to tell without getting a feel for the whole game though
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:00:08 PM No.96098041
>>96097016
>>96097038
the downside of this is if you roll a doubles and Perils of the Warp goes off, the librarian either always strikes last via stunned (so opponent just murders the librarian) or suffers 13 minus willpower autowounds at essentially AP2 that ignore FNP entirely (everything but Invulns)

The brawler librarian is a very double-edged sword. It's probably better to have him at range where stunned doesnt get the librarian killed.
Replies: >>96098060 >>96098079
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:02:37 PM No.96098057
>>96098027
>MK IV or MK VI?
Yeah, I'm retarded, I guess (very sad). MKVI. I guess we won't see MKIV in a long time.
Replies: >>96098205
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:03:02 PM No.96098060
>>96098041
Unless you play thousand sons and you sling your perils on a robot
Replies: >>96098075
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:03:51 PM No.96098067
>>96098009
I will say what I said in 2.0: For better or worse, this was the original canon in 2e. Old CSM armor was beakie-derived to contrast them from the new mk7 marines.
Replies: >>96098171
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:04:29 PM No.96098071
>>96096751
where do you think we are?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:04:31 PM No.96098072
Screenshot_20250715_171536_eBay
Screenshot_20250715_171536_eBay
md5: 0668dd9efa133ea61833c93d70a91071๐Ÿ”
Is it just me or is this guy too expensive?
Replies: >>96098084 >>96098086 >>96098170
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:04:38 PM No.96098074
>>96097701
I doubt the community team is getting stomped on, theyre empty mouth pieces who probably saw the rules the first time they leaked lol. Does seem to coincide with all the leaks though.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:04:49 PM No.96098075
>>96098060
yeah, TS with their +1 wp trait, a +1 wp prime unit retinue and assistant robots will make regular psykers look like limp bitches.
Replies: >>96098099
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:05:11 PM No.96098079
>>96098041
Y'all niggas are cowards, force axe biomancy/divination librarian for life, I will kill a primarch or die trying
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:06:45 PM No.96098084
>>96098072
Are you buying from scalpers?
Just wait a couple months and the box box will be on discount.
Replies: >>96098097
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:06:47 PM No.96098085
>>96097938
Your armour autism is weak.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:06:53 PM No.96098086
>>96098072
He's going for ยฃ25 on bits and kits, not sure about postage though.
Replies: >>96098097
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:09:22 PM No.96098097
>>96098084
I'm not buying anything, just watching the market
>>96098086
That's closer but still riding high. I'm pretty sure the price will arbitrage itself out I'm the next couple of months.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:09:56 PM No.96098099
>>96098075
They still peril just as much
Mathematically, you peril 1 out of 6 psychic tests
Another thing is that you should just pretend curses don't exist because with the WIP save, it only goes off less than half the time, about 30%
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:14:09 PM No.96098124
Pleas leaker anons, any scrap for Solar would be greatly appreciated.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:18:25 PM No.96098149
managed to sit through Pissy ass Pardo's battle report for 3rd ed and completely unrelated to the Liber massacres, the ed seems like dog shit to run itself? Scoring is fucked, vehicle and weapon interactions are fucked, terrain and LOS is fucked. What is actually even salvageable??
Replies: >>96098198 >>96098427
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:18:52 PM No.96098151
>>96098027
I was going go start Thousand Sons with MK2, do you think the monoeye makes Magnus upset?
Replies: >>96098186
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:19:02 PM No.96098152
8437634743662
8437634743662
md5: ac33fee22c122a077126fd8f69331527๐Ÿ”
Kino.
Replies: >>96098282 >>96098285 >>96098425 >>96102729
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:19:23 PM No.96098157
Alright anons, made an AL list for 3.0, please advise

Alpha Legion 3k - 3rd edition

CRUSADE PRIMARY DETACHMENT: 1280pts

High command: 185
Armillus Dynat - 185 pts

Command:
Master of signals - 115 pts -> Armoured Support
Prime: Rewards of Treason
Centurion (power sword) - 90 pts -> 2x Headhunter Leviathal
Troops:
2x 10 tac marines - 200 pts
Prime: Logistical benefit
Transports:
2x Rhinos -120

Logistical benefit: multiMelta Squad with augury scanner - 360 pts
Rewards of Treachery: Mhara Ghal - 210 pts


2x HEADHUNTER LEVIATHAL: 870 pts
Recon:
1x neutron Saber - 90 pts
1x5 Nemesis Recon squad - 135 pts
2x5 seekers - 210 pts
2x logistical benefits
2x Master Sgt (recons)

Logistical benefits: 365
Augury Command and Control Squad - 80 pts
Elite: 1x5 Lernaean (power fist, chainfist, c-beamer) - 285 pts

ARMOURED SUPPORT: 485 pts
1xchoomKratos - 295
1xSicaran Venator with lascannons - 190
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:20:46 PM No.96098170
>>96098072
you could find it on trolltrader or other resale shops in a few weeks for less probably but that price there will likely be less than retail
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:20:50 PM No.96098171
EC_MKVI_upgrade_set
EC_MKVI_upgrade_set
md5: 84c2bd1bc935aa1d65685c2c4f348f82๐Ÿ”
>>96098067
>this was the original canon in 2e
it's over. upgrade sets isn't that bad though
Replies: >>96098194
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:23:14 PM No.96098186
99560102257_SekhmetTerminatorCabal02[1]
99560102257_SekhmetTerminatorCabal02[1]
md5: 16f14ffc2f577ec0efa9967333864879๐Ÿ”
>>96098151
The Sekhemet blind their right eye like Magnus
You can see the termis have a gold plate over it
Replies: >>96098233
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:24:12 PM No.96098194
>>96098171
Mk2 upgrades will probably release along with the cut content
Uh I mean DLC
uh I mean Journal tactica
Replies: >>96098292 >>96098357
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:24:25 PM No.96098198
>>96098149
Nothing. The edition is dead on arrival for a reason.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:25:25 PM No.96098205
>>96098057
They've done a different MK every 2 years. It stands to reason they would redo MK IV next
Replies: >>96098357
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:26:36 PM No.96098211
heh
heh
md5: 7d15854a062b5a566df51b719bc556a1๐Ÿ”
>>96097816
Perfection.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:29:52 PM No.96098233
>>96098186
That made Magnus upset.
Replies: >>96098259
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:30:39 PM No.96098245
>>96097592
No, they were used for the unification of the solar system.
Replies: >>96098277
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:31:40 PM No.96098256
>>96097638
>ld4
So they just auto run away from flamers?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:32:04 PM No.96098259
>>96098233
Oh. I don't know what I thought your questions was when I replied.
Well, they didn't design it. They just got it delivered to them.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:34:26 PM No.96098277
The Greatest Crusade
The Greatest Crusade
md5: 3ea2dac827e76e68eca9f9d168af2f70๐Ÿ”
>>96098245
Aka. The Great Crusade.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:34:54 PM No.96098282
>>96098152
Clever
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:35:02 PM No.96098285
>>96098152
Fuck that does look pretty good.
Replies: >>96098319
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:35:57 PM No.96098292
>>96098194
>Mk2 upgrades will probably release along with the cut content
Any day bro.
Just like the Mk III upgrades.
Or the Legion Armouries
Or the other Consuls.
Replies: >>96098378
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:37:22 PM No.96098306
>>96097816
I kneel
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:38:57 PM No.96098319
>>96098285
Leave it to james to build their studio models in the shittiest poses possible.
Replies: >>96098333 >>96098335
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:40:40 PM No.96098333
>>96098319
Much like with the paint jobs thats probably part intentional. The poses need to show off the model so people can identify all the details and see if they want it. For this static, simple, poses are best. More complex positions are both something the buyer might not be able to replicate (since it takes cutting and posing) but also something which might leave parts hidden or obscured.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:40:54 PM No.96098335
>>96098319
The pose helps, the dumb parts of the armour are dumb no matter what pose it's in.
Replies: >>96098521
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:43:18 PM No.96098357
48
48
md5: 08381d8a86a2821334d1a647fc673f40๐Ÿ”
>>96098194
>Mk2 upgrades
>>96098205
>It stands to reason they would redo MK IV next
I wonder how they will customize the MK2 for different legions. MK IV, you are so far away.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:43:37 PM No.96098360
Feeling silly, want to do a terrible Primarch off on 3.0 rules, but a bit tired of having to jump into so many images and opening everything, is there a pdf link to the libers and main rules to be sure I can do this retarded thing? Not sure why even bother, but after a bad tier list ina previous threat I have the itch to mathammer everything.
Replies: >>96098388 >>96098401 >>96098573
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:45:28 PM No.96098378
>>96098292
Mk3 wasn't the face of a new edition
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:47:03 PM No.96098388
>>96098360
The Khan is the biggest loser of 3.0 even if he's pretty good in combat
No bike and forced to spam empty land raiders is just insulting
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:48:41 PM No.96098401
>>96098360
I think vulkan wins it in the end, but honestly a lot of it will just be a slugging match with no conclusive or near victor.
Replies: >>96099535
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:49:32 PM No.96098410
84747423674
84747423674
md5: fd488f243cc89414e736851fbfd24e94๐Ÿ”
I'm thinking of doing my MkII as Night Lords, how much lightning is too much?
Replies: >>96098421
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:52:03 PM No.96098421
>>96098410
when the armor looks white with blue lines instead of blue with white lines
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:52:35 PM No.96098425
>>96098152
why does it look like it's been tumbling around in a dryer?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:52:56 PM No.96098427
>>96098149
Zero is salvageable. WS chart still fucked, terrain entirely fucked. 4 turn games purely fucked. Ground circle scoring is gay. Charges are needlessly complex (move, then add your unit's move+initiative and reference a chart to do first half of the chart, ruin your charge shooting pistols and wait for enemy to remove models to change the charge distance, then roll 2d6 and discard one for the second half of the charge. Vehicles eating 4-9 wounds without any alteration of fighting performance but getting glanced by a weak weapon immobilizing them, having to constantly add and remove status tokens with easily forgotten effects all over the board is fucked, melee is fucked with sweeping advance removed (so the most punishing part of retreating is gone, guardsmen should be mowed down like grass if they flee), melee attacks are fucked, stupid mini-game is fucked, non-true-line-of-sight is fucked, deepstriking one unit max is fucked, deepstrike not working for any melee units is fucked, heavy weapons run and gunning is fucked, the stratagem points reaction system is fucked (oh your army has 2 stratagem points not 4? well you can't do much, but my army gets to shoot twice per turn and is immune to charges since they can move in your movement phase and move again in your charging phase.)

The game was dead before the Libers were released, but Libers just put it out of its misery by freeing people from the hope that some flavorful well-written army lists could make up for the core game's shitty rules and that we'd simply re-write the terrible wordings to make it shorter eventually. Libers made it crystal clear that HH3 sucks and army rules are going to suck harder, require 12 paid DLCs with long delays and terrible balance, and then all be invalidated every 3 years so you'll buy new paper DLCs.
Replies: >>96098600
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:55:14 PM No.96098443
Can someone post the master of descent rules?
Replies: >>96098451
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:56:07 PM No.96098451
>>96098443
the entire rulebook and entire liber book are PDFs available higher up this thread from catbox
Replies: >>96098458 >>96098532
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:56:33 PM No.96098458
>>96098451
I just need the master of descent.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:03:54 PM No.96098521
>>96098335
Actually if that's as far as it can raise the hammer it just gives away that it can't actually swing it.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:04:29 PM No.96098526
PXL_20250715_195626977~2
PXL_20250715_195626977~2
md5: d0189e14b899cd6d3c058de18b37aae9๐Ÿ”
Doing some more militia
Replies: >>96098643
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:04:57 PM No.96098532
>>96098451
Please stop using catbox/litterbox or mega, we're in 2025 ffs, use a filehosting service better suited for anonymous big files.
Here are the rulebooks and astartes libers photo scans :
> https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N
Replies: >>96098562 >>96098692
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:06:07 PM No.96098542
do we know if termi characters can join saturnine?
Replies: >>96098554
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:09:24 PM No.96098554
>>96098542
There Is no limitation for armor type joining others, Just Remember that Heavy bonus only apply of the full unit have It so you want either a catafracti charaxter or One with boarding shield
Replies: >>96098738
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:10:26 PM No.96098562
>>96098532
what are the benefits?
Replies: >>96098620
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:11:58 PM No.96098573
>>96098360
it's pretty much just won by whoever can overwhelm eternal warrior 2-3 by doing 4-6 damage per swing using strikelast gambit. Vulkan and Horus and other Dmg3+Crit or Dmg3+Shred primarchs.
Morty might also get a little play just by having 7 wounds with EW-3 instead of most 6 wounds with EW-2 and Morty making all the Crit4+ primarchs only crit on 6+ the same as Morty's scythe.

I'm not going to bother simulating it since the gambit minigame is needlessly complex. As the charging player picks the first gambit (which modifies initiative) and then his opponent counter-picks acccording to that gambit (but has to always pick a different gambit), then whoever won initiative after that pair of picks gets first pick of next gambit (Which opponent can't copy) which changes their initiative and opponent has to try to counterpick, it's all very tedius and convoluted and when you finally learn the rock-paper-scissors of every matchups, it won't actually matter, HH3 isn't a game worth playing.
Replies: >>96099535
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:16:16 PM No.96098600
>>96098427
TLoS is cancer, full stop. 4 turn games have been a thing since the expansion in 2.0 and are fine. The rest you have a point on.
Replies: >>96098660 >>96098720 >>96098752
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:17:26 PM No.96098615
So if I'm doing a 6 man Saturnine Squad with Praetor, with the intention to deep strike them, how many should have fists and Disintegrators and how many should have double Disintegrators?

I was thinking 3/3, that way I have 4 that can dedicate to melee, 3 that dump out more shots but then are free to die if they shoot me back.
Replies: >>96098632 >>96098661
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:17:40 PM No.96098620
>>96098562
In this case, faster to upload and download, no login, anonymous. Just drag and drop into the browser to create a folder.
The only con is that files are locked if they're not downloaded in more than 10 days.

There's also https://ufile.io/ and others, each with pros and cons, but much better than some hobby project to host hentai gifs from a decade ago
Replies: >>96098653
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:19:07 PM No.96098632
>>96098615
Wait to see what the saturnine command squad can do.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:20:42 PM No.96098643
>>96098526
me and the boys ready to hold Vraks
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:21:53 PM No.96098653
>>96098620
but catbox shares those qualities, minus the folder organization (but that can be solved by just compressing the files and doing it yourself)
I am a loyal catbox soldier
Replies: >>96098719
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:22:16 PM No.96098660
>>96098600
people too retarded and tiktok attention span to play out a 6-turn game should be kicked out of stores on sight.
Replies: >>96098687
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:22:19 PM No.96098661
>>96098615
Zero distingrators unless you want to turbo kill yourself. Every 1 and 2 to hit is a hit on your own unit at damage 2 AP2. Double Disintegrators is a trap. Plasma, fist, flamer and only shoot the plasma if you killed your original target already.
Replies: >>96098710 >>96098740
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:25:09 PM No.96098684
Thanks for uploading PDFs there, but afaik, GoFile deletes things just like Mega. Catbox, on the other hand, never deleted anything I put there (a lot of stuff that was otherwise deleted on other file hostings). I try to use Litterbox these days; it eventually deletes stuff after 3 days. Normal catbox stores uploads forever; my old GW PDFs there are still alive even years after (yeah, I'm saving links in Notepad).
Replies: >>96098692 >>96098719
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:25:20 PM No.96098687
>>96098660
There aren't enough good players to have the game be a nail biter to turn 6. Games are decided turn 3 usually. Not every mission can be war of lies. If someone wanted to play 5 with a potential 6th regardless of score I wouldn't mind. Especially with beer involved.
Replies: >>96098710
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:26:10 PM No.96098692
>>96098532
-----> >>96098684
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:28:46 PM No.96098710
>>96098661
the only place for disintegrators is other units that have disposable chaff bodies like vet tacs. It's entirely irrelevant losing a bolter to an overload. Losing a saturnine to overload is unacceptable because it removes a useful gun.

>>96098687
the reason games are decided by turn 3 is GW's retarded 4 turn game length, GW's retarded non6x4 table sizes and GW's retarded army design changes like move-and-shoot heavy weapons and having to stand in circles in the center of the map to score goodboy points.
Back in 3rd-5th 40k it was quite common for a game to still be fun and up in the air for both sides to win on turn 4-6, because there was actual maneuvering and strategy and using terrain, but now it's tiny boards swarm forward and fight to death in 1 single turn. HH2 and HH3 don't even classify as wargames, they're too small and short to even do any actual war on.
Replies: >>96098734 >>96098767
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:29:43 PM No.96098719
>>96098653
catbox/litterbox is shit for big files and slow as hell. I had to retry several times the files hosted there before re-uploading them to gofile in seconds.
>>96098684
I've never seen gofile delete anything, except stale links not downloaded in more than 10 days. For our purposes that more than enough.
Same for ufile, although it has different conditions.
Replies: >>96098955
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:29:44 PM No.96098720
>>96098600
>Tlos is cancer
No it's not you just play with shitty players who like to argue about it. It's the same thing with people who say scatter and blasts are bad because it creates arguments no they don't. Shitty players just find things to argue about.
>4 turn
Is dog shit just like they are in the expansions, 4 turns is not enough time for a game to really get fleshed out
Having a game be over when half my shit is still on the board is gay.
Replies: >>96098756
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:30:36 PM No.96098734
>>96098710
3.0 still tells you to play on 6ร—4
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:31:06 PM No.96098738
>>96098554
Yeah! Look at all the choices for cataphractii and boarding shield characters we got!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:31:12 PM No.96098740
>>96098661
I thought the thermal shield thing prevented that? How moronic are the rules team to allow that!
Replies: >>96098753 >>96098754
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:32:31 PM No.96098752
>>96098600
4 turns is them being cowards and admitting that they didn't test enough to guarantee enjoyable 5 turn games.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:32:35 PM No.96098753
>>96098740
I mean have you read the 3.0 rules?
The only thing I think is half decent is the vehicles rules but again that's because anything would be better then current vehicle rules
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:32:44 PM No.96098754
>>96098740
Thermal shielding only provides -1 strength against the hit.
Replies: >>96098779
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:33:00 PM No.96098756
>>96098720
>No it's not you just play with shitty players who like to argue about it.
Interesting statement. What is an example?
Replies: >>96098774 >>96098789
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:35:19 PM No.96098767
>>96098710
You can't tank Disintegrators on bolters in a vet tac squad, misfire hits from overloads can only be allocated to models who participated in that fire group, AKA, only the models who shot that weapon
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:36:58 PM No.96098774
>>96098756
Case in point.
Replies: >>96098790
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:37:54 PM No.96098779
>>96098754
I thought it was only 'heat' weapons, not Disintegrators? Disintegrators are fucking stupid dangerous to the wielder...
Replies: >>96098791
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:38:58 PM No.96098789
>>96098756
>Ignoring the rest of my post that gives an example about how shitty players just like to argue, just to argue
Pottery.jpg
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:39:01 PM No.96098790
>>96098774
If you can't provide an example of an argument that's on you. You stated a position, now support it with an example.
Replies: >>96098804 >>96098816
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:39:12 PM No.96098791
>>96098779
Coward!
Replies: >>96098923
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:40:12 PM No.96098804
>>96098790
Keep digging that hole
Replies: >>96098860
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:41:40 PM No.96098816
>>96098790
Anon I gave you the example of templates
Everyone was stoked when they took templates out of 40k because shitty players always would argue about how the rules were badly written and it just caused arguments about what was and what was not under it.

When the reality is, the rules for templates are very fucking clear and it's not hard. The rule did not create arguments, shitty players created arguments.
When templates were removed the people who always argued about them, just found new shit to argue about.
Replies: >>96098880 >>96099723
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:42:28 PM No.96098820
New list building Tetris is pretty interesting, I like the incentives of Prime Advantages. Excited to try something like this (if I did this right):

[Iron Warriors: Traitor]
[3000pts]
[Primary Detachment] (1060)
[High Command]
- Warsmith 175
+ Cyber-familiar
+ (Combat Retinue)
[Command]
- Centurion 95
+ Thunder Hammer, Combat Shield
+ (Armoured Support, Shock Assault)
+ Prime Advantage (Paragon of Battle)
[Troops]
- Tactical Marines 110
+ Nuncio-vox
+ Prime Advantage (Logistical Benefit)
- Tactical Marines 110
+ Nuncio-vox
- Tactical Marines 110
+ Nuncio-vox
[Light Transport]
- Rhino 65
+ Dozer Blade
- Rhino 65
+ Dozer Blade
- Rhino 65
+ Dozer Blade
[Heavy Transport]
- Land Raider Carrier 265
[Combat Retinue] (955)
[Retinue]
- Praetorian Command Squad 400
+ 10x Chosen
+ 10x Thunder Hammer
+ 10x Combat Shield
+ Prime Advantage (Master Sergeant)
- Iron Circle Maniple 555
+ 4x Domitar-Ferrum
[Shock Assault] (410)
[Heavy Assault]
- Saturnine Terminators 410
+ 6x Terminators
+ 6x Plasma Bombard & Fist w/ Particle Shredder
[Armoured Support] (575)
[Armour]
- Kratos 355
+ Melta blast-gun
+ 4x Lascannons
- Predator 110
+ 2x Volkite Culverins
- Predator 110
+ 2x Volkite Culverins
Replies: >>96098830 >>96098939
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:42:43 PM No.96098821
I think it's a bad model but I still wanna get 1 or 2 saturnine to pose and see how they look in candy red. If I buy from scalpers can I still be based and hivemind'd?
Replies: >>96098838
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:43:44 PM No.96098830
>>96098820
Prime slots are neat I do like them. Especially since none of them seem busted.
Replies: >>96098857 >>96098939
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:44:40 PM No.96098838
>>96098821
No because you are still supporting gw by proxy.
If you really really want them, wait like 2 months and get them from either recasters or cheap off eBay when the prices are low and it's outside of GWS launch window so they won't count it.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:46:46 PM No.96098857
>>96098830
>Especially since none of them seem busted.
That applies to quite a lot of things this edition. Its not perfectly balanced, but it seems pretty good.
Replies: >>96098874
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:47:09 PM No.96098860
>>96098804
Since you didn't provide and argument I'll have to assume you meant arguing over some of the most common TLoS issues such as
>Pinhole sniping
Which I agree on and I wouldn't do
>Seeing a muzzle peek out but not body part
I've been known to let that slide. I'm not going to make my opponent rotate models to hide that kind of thing.
>Wings on monsters, large parts in general that overhang the base
Can be tricky, but I talk to my opponent first

Are these the arguments you refer to? Congratulations you don't play with true line of sight! And due to failure to provide examples I don't know what you meant if I didn't cover it above. Bommer logic of "you're proving my point asking me to explain!" just means you don't have a case and your realized it.
Replies: >>96098880 >>96098895
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:48:41 PM No.96098872
How are the volkite weapons looking in context for the new ed? Never really found a reason to use them last edition, but I love some choom - maybe on a support or heavy squad?
Replies: >>96098887
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:48:48 PM No.96098874
>>96098857
>you can only get balance by removing flavor
As it ever was
Replies: >>96098890 >>96098897
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:49:21 PM No.96098880
>>96098860
>Didn't provide and example
Holy fucking shit, read!
>>96098816
Replies: >>96098904
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:49:48 PM No.96098887
>>96098872
Same as always.
Actually since it seems the way to go is pounding on targets' armor saves they're probably gonna be more useful than before.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:50:22 PM No.96098890
>>96098874
Wild thing but, war games are not meant to be balanced.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:51:11 PM No.96098895
>>96098860
This is all solved by using silhouette templates but for some reason GW is allergic to them
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:51:33 PM No.96098897
>>96098874
I dont think thats true, but when you have less variables the remaining ones are easier to keep in mind.

I have the controversial opinion that flavor can arise from limitations, so while some (many) of the removals done in 3.0 hinder or harm flavor, some of them allow for units to have a more distinct character which can be allowed to shine through more. Options can add flavor and customization, but they can also create homogeneity and staleness
Replies: >>96098911 >>96098928 >>96098936
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:52:27 PM No.96098904
>>96098880
You first.

I posted that before I saw that post. I didn't ask about templates did I? I don't care about templates when talking about TLoS. I want to know specific arguments that's the "bad gamers" tried to get up to.
Replies: >>96098930
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:53:28 PM No.96098911
>>96098897
If you have less variables that means you have less granularity which means less room to balance things which means lots of things feel samy

More granularity means more flavor, means more balance.
Replies: >>96098960
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:54:58 PM No.96098923
>>96098791
I'm packing a combi-Dis on my Praetor (was better in 2.0), but dropping a handful of dice with Overload2 isn't my idea of gambling...
Replies: >>96099070
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:55:33 PM No.96098928
>>96098897
While you're not wrong, the Heresy at its core is a setting about space marine legions and heroes
So if you gut the differences between legions and remove what makes the heroes special, you gut the core of heresy
Even if you add more flavor somewhere else
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:55:44 PM No.96098930
>>96098904
Wtf are you talking about!?
I posted my example way before your little rant and it's not like its gone now lol

Anon I'll lay this out once more
Tlos is fine because the rules for it are clear and the intention of it is clear, no one in good faith would say be cause I can see the tip of your wing or tail I can now shoot you. TloS works just fine but shitty players will find ways to argue it, just like templates in my example

Tlos works, if you try and say shit like "well a wing very clearly counts" you are one of those faggots that are the argumentative ones that ruined it
Replies: >>96098981
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:56:04 PM No.96098936
>>96098897
Titanicus before corrupted titans is probably the most balanced game I've played. Everyone is building from the same pool of 7 models and the difference rise from maniples, legion traits, and very limited strategems, so the flavor comes from player strategy.
Replies: >>96098951
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:56:34 PM No.96098939
>>96098820
>>96098830
Master Sergeant would be Free Real Estate it it didn't throw you into Gambit Gardens
Replies: >>96098941
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:57:20 PM No.96098941
>>96098939
It's limited for a reason
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:57:46 PM No.96098944
we didn't have a page with volkite weapons right?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:58:37 PM No.96098951
>>96098936
I agree but porphyrions were pretty busted and generally had people self limiting till they fixed the selection process.

Still the most balanced gw game i've enjoyed. And oh what's that too? Alt activations. My beloved.
Replies: >>96098969 >>96099549
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:59:23 PM No.96098955
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>>96098719
>gofile has no downsides
huh?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:00:04 PM No.96098960
>>96098911
I do think greater granularity means more levers with which to balance shit, but it adding more flavor im not sure about. Look at 3.0, did the added weapon granularity make them more or less flavorful? (this isnt even rhetorical, im not sure, in a way many weapons now have a defined mechanical niche and will get to shine rather than being "X but worse" or "X but better", but in another way the weapons all working within the same framework and operating within the same boundaries means that I dont know if any of them will stand out like before)

I think the answer will only be really known once people start playing, because it will essentially come down to how memorable the mechanical self expression of weapon character is. Do NL glaives feel sufficiently distinct or do they not? Do carsoran power axes and the IH axes? What about frost weapons?

>>96098955
Fuck man thats a lot of porn to download in a month.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:01:27 PM No.96098969
>>96098951
>Alt activations. My beloved
Based, but only in Initiative order/reverse order
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:02:12 PM No.96098975
>>96098960
>Look at 3.0
Anon we lost more flavor then we gained in granularity
We also lost rules like twin likes and torrent some legions just lost chunks of their armory.
3.0 is not the example you might think it is
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:03:17 PM No.96098981
>>96098930
>no one in good faith would say be cause I can see the tip of your wing or tail I can now shoot you.
Then you don't play with TLoS. Which is fine, and ideal. You're playing morally correctly. But there is no asterisk after True in True Line of Sight. I also don't penalize my opponents for having a sword tip peeking around an otherwise obscuring wall. But I also don't pretend I play TLoS. If, for example, you dislike the rules in 3.0 for line of sight because you feel large physically open ruins should have los drawn through them that is fine, just say that.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:03:36 PM No.96098982
>>96098975
GW removing every instance of rerolls is the most autistic bit of rules writing I've ever seen
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:04:06 PM No.96098984
>>96098975
>Anon we lost more flavor then we gained in granularity
Isnt that literally the point? The weapon rules in 3.0 are more granular, especially in regards to melee weapons. Did that make the weapons more flavorful in the edition or not?

>we lost twin linked
Those weapons still have profiles though, its more that they lost the reroll (and gained other stuff instead, like more shots, more damage, better breaching or whatever else)
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:07:16 PM No.96099005
>>96098984
>Weapons are more granular
No they are really not the only thing they gained with damage profile while in the process losing ID, twin linked, torrent, and I'm sure other ones everything else is the same
We also lost armory options as a result of this.

Just looking at torrent torrent was a rule to distinguish and balance some type of flame weapons now that's gone for no good reason.

If the argument you are trying to make is that 3.0 is more granular? No, absolutely not it's less granular and lost flavor.

Melee did gain Im which is great, but gaining IM and damage just to lose our of ID and other special rules is not a good exchange.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:07:23 PM No.96099007
>>96098975
Twin linked was just built in re-roll to hit. Nothing particularly special or flavourful.
Everybody who has played since before twin linked became a re-roll complained that it no longer was just double the shots of the regular weapon.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:09:01 PM No.96099022
>>96098984
Nta but it isn't particularily flavourful that a champion combi melta now has a damage characteristic compared to the fact that all he can choose for range is between that and a volkite serpenta. Why those two? Because GW sells those two models. Does that mean that in the entire galaxy champions are sworn to the sacred rule of "Thy shall not have any guns outside the masterful combi melta and the perfidious serpenta."? I guess so. Does this seem flavourful to you?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:09:47 PM No.96099030
>>96099005
>losing ID
ID has been replaced with the more granular damage system, thats what that means. Instead of all or nothing "kills you" or "does one wound" weapons now have set damage values which can be set granularly per weapon (and can be further modified by other rules).

>twin linked
Twin linked is still around, it just does something else (modifies a statline in various ways, rather than "weapon + rerolls")

>If the argument you are trying to make is that 3.0 is more granular?
Yes, because it absolutely is.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:09:57 PM No.96099033
>>96099005
Instant death was a shit rule and I'm glad to see it gone. The binary result of either taking 1 wound or just fucking dying was a shit mechanic. Instantly dying to a power fist, then only taking 1 wound to that same power fist because something gave you +1 toughness is equally trash.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:11:06 PM No.96099040
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>>96097938
>Valrak
It's not like I had been talking about numkv for a while
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:12:33 PM No.96099052
>>96099040
Just because you endlessly repeated a prediction until it became true doesn't mean you were right the first five dozen times.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:12:44 PM No.96099054
>>96099033
>>96099033
Instant death as a concept is fine, its nice and dramatic and adds a feeling of fairness to things. No matter how tough and elite the other guy is one super big hit will kill him in one go, before a lascannon the chapter master and scout are equal and all that.
But yes, in practice it did lead to some unfortunate situations where those units that could skirt the rule ended up being really fucking annoying.

In a way I miss it, it feels wrong to have people being able to tank lascannons, but then again there are still weapons that do big fuckoff damage.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:12:56 PM No.96099057
>>96099033
I kinda agree, but honestly ID and init 1 weapons was an excellent equaliser.
It helps discourage herohammer/giga stacked units/models, when mr 200pt centurion with powerfist can eat shit basically just as easily as mr 50pt sergeant with powerfist.

The new changes mean said centurion not only can survive the powerfist hit, he also hits first since its now an init modifier.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:13:59 PM No.96099069
>>96099052
I was right again and again and I will be right again and again some more.
And you can never take that away from me. Not the first time, nor the following ones.

I am Autismus, Master of the Armour Legion.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:14:00 PM No.96099070
>>96098923
What's the point of using guns on hqs? They usually carry a single gun that won't amount to much. Meanwhile they get several times as many attacks as a single normal model in melee.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:15:31 PM No.96099086
>>96099057
equalizer? what? Every fucking unit that could take thunderhammers did, it was by far the only real viable melee weapon in 2.0 for 95% of things. What are you talking about.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:16:10 PM No.96099095
>>96099070
They fixed that for you, don't worry
You no longer have that option
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:16:35 PM No.96099099
>>96099086
I didn't say anything about brutal you anus.

Brutal is EXTREMELY problematic and deserves the bin, yes.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:16:45 PM No.96099100
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>>96097938
Wait a minute that's the old Mk5/mk6 power pack he's wearing.
What the fuck
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:17:50 PM No.96099110
>>96099022
GW killing weapon options has nothing to do with the new weapon stats.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:17:58 PM No.96099112
>>96099100
These mog the retarded nu-Mk VI so hard.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:18:40 PM No.96099117
>>96099099
And if they didnt have damage 2, you would STILL take them or a Power fist, because being able to instant death 2 wound units was that important dumbass.

Instant death range defined the entire game of melee combat.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:18:54 PM No.96099120
>>96099086
>equalizer? what?
Before S8 Ap2 all things are equal. A praetor taking that hit to the face will die the same as a terminator or marine or centurion (if the save is failed). Or at least thats what I think his point is, that the non-granular rules added an equalizing element where no matter how good or shit you were you existed in the same binary.

Which is sort of true, but also why the system was doomed long term. Because there WERE units which existed outside the binary, and those units ended up being problematic for the game because of it.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:19:50 PM No.96099127
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>>96099112
The RG chests looks great on these
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:19:55 PM No.96099129
>>96099022
Im talking about the actual stats of the weapons, not the options regarding who has them. (although that lack of options will in SOME cases help give units a more defined flavor, rather than just "generic elite unit" or "generic marine character")
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:20:15 PM No.96099135
>>96099112
They do that retarded thing where the belt buckle rotates with their torso.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:20:35 PM No.96099141
>>96099030
it's overall less granular now than it was before.

Dmg could already be changed, but we lost the granular options of reroll1 hit/wound reroll-all hit/wound, we lost rapid fire, we lost the granularity of heavy weapons being stationary or given steady advance to move (now everything moves), we lost instant-death granular option. The game already had initiative modifiers with Reach and strike last, it gained the extra level of power-axes, that's the only thing that's slightly more granular. Adding extra attacks was already done before via dual wielding which was removed and for the very rare super-attacks weapons like twin-LC it was just hard-coded, basically no granularity was added, just reworded. But lots of granularity was removed.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:20:52 PM No.96099145
>>96099110
We're talking about flavour, the new weapons stats don't add it and the loss of options removes it. Those two are connected because they are something to consider when choosing to play 3.0 over another edition. Not that most people that have that choice would.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:21:32 PM No.96099153
>>96099135
I'll take that over the long list of things wrong with and stupid retard ugly design choices of the new ones.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:21:45 PM No.96099156
>>96099095
Praetors and centurions can still use everything.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:22:22 PM No.96099162
>>96099153
I wouldn't, at least the new ones make sense.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:23:53 PM No.96099170
>>96099162
Ah yes, every marine ever sharing one of five exactly the same poses makes so much sense.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:23:55 PM No.96099172
>>96099135
At least the torso rotates, the new ones can't do that. If you don't want to greenstuff new cables don't rotate it.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:23:58 PM No.96099173
>>96099145
>Those two are connected because they are something to consider when choosing to play 3.0 over another edition.
My point is that those are two separate things that don't need to come together.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:24:22 PM No.96099176
Bikes, jet bikes? Do tellโ€ฆ
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:24:54 PM No.96099181
>>96098981
The 1st ti.e a TLoS argument but me, I thought, But, the intention is clearly to have the upward projection of the plane around the model base be the Truth, here.

But they cried and whined, and I let it go. Im sorry. I ended the Hammer Wars.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:24:55 PM No.96099182
>>96099117
Not really.
Making literally every single strong melee unit be 2w is what led to mono ID weapons in 2e.

That, combined with the WS table changes mean that yes, you have a system where everything that matters is (at least) 2w and needs ID weapons, and generally higher WS will just shit on lower WS.

But 1e was very different. 2w units were relatively rare, and WS4 hitting on 4+ against WS5 meant 'weaker' units could very easily just drown terminators and the like in a million saves before they can strike with their fists.

Berserker assault world eaters would just drown absolutely everything in 100 chainaxe attacks from a single squad, and it made unwieldy units shit themselves.

So yes, 2e is problematic, but its a problem of their own creation, and isn't the only alternative to what 3e is.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:25:54 PM No.96099187
>>96098982
Every instance is dumb, but Master Crafted and Chaplains are my exceptions
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:26:07 PM No.96099190
>>96099141
>it's overall less granular now than it was before.
This is objectively incorrect.

>Dmg could already be changed,
No it couldnt. There was no way to have a weapon that would oneshot terminators but not centurions or praetors, for example. Damage was either "1" or "however many wounds the target has", or brutal, in which case it was "however many wounds the target has but they have to make two saves instead". Thats basically the entire problem.

>we lost the granularity of heavy weapons being stationary or given steady advance to move (now everything moves)
Heavy weapons still have maluses for moving (or rather benefits for standing still) and some special rules still allow them to move and maintain those bonuses.

>we lost instant-death granular option
Instant death is not granular, it is binary. It either kills you or it does one wound. It is the opposite of granular, it is a binary rule. Either you die or you ignore it. It being the foundation of melee combat previously was a problem.

>The game already had initiative modifiers with Reach and strike last, it gained the extra level of power-axes,
And thunder hammers which are I-2 (as opposed to fists at I-3). It also gained attack modifiers baked into the weapon (like with the chainfist). It also gained the granular damage, which allows weapons to deal a wider range of injury and possess different threat profiles.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:26:11 PM No.96099192
>>96099170
Those are all poses a marine might make, his belt rotating with his torso would never happen.

>>96099172
>At least the torso rotates
It does so in a retarded way, if you have even a slight degree of rotation then it looks wrong.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:26:16 PM No.96099193
>>96099100
mk5 wearing mk5 powerpack. wowza.

I do agree they're great though.

>>96099135
Its a separate torso, how else are they gonna work?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:26:27 PM No.96099196
>>96099173
I wish they didn't.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:27:19 PM No.96099204
>>96098984
"Granular" is a numerical separation; flavour is a subjective outcome.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:27:30 PM No.96099206
>>96099176
Bikes seem good. 20ppm, 2w, four shouts each (since twin bolters just give four shots flat). They can also firestorm at full BS
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:27:32 PM No.96099207
>>96099182
WE inductii annihilating elite melee units four times their points cost without effort was kinda problematic as well though.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:27:35 PM No.96099208
>>96099192
Again, no one is holding a gun to your head that forces you to rotate them. If you think something looks stupid then don't do that thing.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:28:15 PM No.96099219
>>96099033
Id was fine the reason you hates it was because the weapon that everyone took was the th which was id against T4
The th was the problem, because it doubled the number of saves.

I would challenge you to go play a game of HH 2.0, and remove brutal from TH it feels fine at that point

The reason is, is because statistically speaking each wound caused by a th will kill a cata terminator out right no matter what.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:28:32 PM No.96099224
>>96099204
I know, hence >>96098960

Whether the added weapons granularity of 3.0 leads to more/less/similar amounts of flavor will end up being determined once people actually play the game, and see if the weapons feel different to use and develop different mechanical personalities.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:29:24 PM No.96099236
>>96099190
>Heavy weapons still have maluses for moving (or rather benefits for standing still) and some special rules still allow them to move and maintain those bonuses.
Nta but this is one of the few things I really dislike about the new core rules. Especially with the new snapshots. I much prefer the tactical planning of not really being able to move heavy weapons. I also dislike how over the place and gamey the new heavy bonuses are.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:29:24 PM No.96099237
>>96099007
So, 30 years.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:29:46 PM No.96099241
>>96099193
>Its a separate torso, how else are they gonna work?
Don't have the rotation happen at the belt.

>>96099208
>Again, no one is holding a gun to your head that forces you to rotate them.
But many people do and it looks bad. Also if it shouldn't rotate then the case for having it rotate is pretty much non existent.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:29:47 PM No.96099242
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>>96099127
>>96099112
>>96099100
I love mine. They've been stacking bodies of Primarchs, their retinues, Tau, and CSM for over ten years. Shame I lost one over the years.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:31:04 PM No.96099257
>>96099040
Too Tall
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:31:10 PM No.96099261
>>96099207
Yes, I am not trying to say 'x edition was perfect in every way and you suck cocks if you don't play my favorite edition'.

Every edition has its pros and cons, every edition added new problems and fixed others.

I'm just pointing out that saying '3e melee is vastly superior because 2e had problems' is a dumb argument when they're not even the only official options, let alone homebrew tweaks.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:31:36 PM No.96099264
>>96099219
Been playing since 4th edition, instant death has always been a shit mechanic. The power creep with eternal warrior and other special rules similar to it also needlessly bloated games rules, as did the even specialer rules that also bypassed eternal warrior that followed. It is a garbage rule even without the multiplier of Brutal added to it.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:32:22 PM No.96099269
>>96099241
stick to your monopose then I guess
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:32:26 PM No.96099270
>>96099241
The torso should be separate because it makes it compatible with the FW legion specific bodies without having to cut it off.
>But many people do and it looks bad.
Many people do incredibly retarded shit like painting marines in homebrewed lost legion colors. Doesn't mean that marines should come prepainted so people stop doing that.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:32:40 PM No.96099272
>>96099242
Glorious.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:35:02 PM No.96099296
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>if the automata tard wrangler gets scared, the entire unit flees with him despite being immune
???
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:35:08 PM No.96099298
>>96099270
>The torso should be separate because it makes it compatible with the FW legion specific bodies without having to cut it off.
No, I think the old style bodies need to be confined to the garbage. If GW was smart they'd have made it so that breastplates were separate bits, and made Legion specific breastplates.
They even have done this with the Indomitus terminators in 40k.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:35:23 PM No.96099300
Hey anons, I was indisposed during the announcement of 3.0 and haven't been on /tg/ in weeks. Can I get a quick tldr of what you all think of the new edition? Thanks a ton.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:35:24 PM No.96099301
>>96099100
Beakies Fucking Own

>BFO
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:37:00 PM No.96099317
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>>96099298
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:38:02 PM No.96099328
>>96099298
If you make the belt part of the legs, and have the torso just be the chest bit, then the powercable won't line up with the belt instead of the belt not lining up with the legs.

You're never gonna get it 'right' unless you do monopose or sculpt shit yourself.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:38:41 PM No.96099335
>>96099296
>Aaahhh my robots, to me! Protect my ass while I run away!
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:39:51 PM No.96099349
>>96099328
Probably why the went monopose.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:40:04 PM No.96099350
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>>96099242
Gee Corvus, how come you had TWO old mk6 upgrades?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:40:31 PM No.96099352
>>96099296
>the guy controlling the robots gets scared and runs away (taking his robots with him)
Also it seems like admech will struggle to score this edition possibly. Just take some snipers to kill the tech-priests
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:40:58 PM No.96099358
>>96099190
>thunder hammers which are I-2 (as opposed to fists at I-3)

TH are supposed to outperform PF, and explode while doing it. +1i -1S does NOT outperform fists, it's a side grade
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:41:11 PM No.96099360
>>96099182
World Eaters were basically unplayable in 2.0 because of the WS chart, their only good option was overcosted Rampagers.

>>96099207
No it wasn't, you just shot them off the board because they were vulnerable to everything. The best world eater legion armies in 1.0 weren't the despoiler inducti armies, they were the ones leveraging how absurdly cost efficient their veteran squads were.

World Eaters have never been overtuned in this game because they are so reliant on getting the charge off.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:41:42 PM No.96099371
>>96099350
They even had two base sets. The running pose and your pic, walking. I bought one of each.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:42:22 PM No.96099381
>>96099358
>it's a side grade
Its a better weapon for fighting marines (and in particular power fist users) while being worse into tanks and heavy walkers/automata. This is a better design than "power fist but (irrelevant extra rule)" or "power fist (but infinitely better)"
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:43:21 PM No.96099391
>>96099358
My wild take
In 2.0 TH should be s+3, swing at i2 ap 2, murderous strike 5, not brutal(2)
Power axes should be I3 s+1 ap2
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:43:42 PM No.96099396
>>96099360
>overcosted Rampagers
Falax rampagers are pretty absurdly killy in 2.0 honestly.
rending 4+ means they can blend terminators, but just as important in 2e, they can blend dreads.

>No it wasn't, you just shot them off the board because they were vulnerable to everything

Laughs in double spartan
God I miss 1.0 WE, it was nothing if not fluffy and satisfying to play.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:44:55 PM No.96099404
>>96099224
Copy; maybe HH should incorporate a Tick/Tock upgrade cycle, doing re-stats to make adjustments after rule reworks
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:45:45 PM No.96099413
New thread? Kinda wanted to ask why people were saying the rules read like theyโ€™re ai generated.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:46:12 PM No.96099417
>>96099371
>walking, running and sometimes kneeling poses
>swappable bits
>posable minis
>HWs with custom power packs
>legion torsos, helmets and pads
>sometimes for multiple marks

Was plastic really worth it
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:48:09 PM No.96099432
>>96099413
>AI is a hot topic that I don't understand at all and is scaring me, so everything I don't like must have been made by AI.
That's the reason.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:49:24 PM No.96099439
>>96099417
No. It never was.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:50:18 PM No.96099449
>>96099417
If it were 10 years ago, the plastic would have a bunch of this too
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:50:28 PM No.96099453
>>96099413
Because they're so badly written it's hard to believe someone paid and entrusted with the task would have done so.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:51:09 PM No.96099457
>>96099300
>Can I get a quick tldr of what you all think of the new edition?
youre better off finding a youtube vid for that buddy theres so much shit i doubt anyone here is gunna stop doomposting to drop a comprehensive review for you. Better off unpacking the garbage yourself or going back through the initial leak drops on 4plebs
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:52:44 PM No.96099470
>>96099371
Wait really? I didn't realise it was actually 2 separate kits, I don't see any pics online
Replies: >>96099552
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:54:27 PM No.96099490
>>96099381
You think I want a TH to fight MARINES? No, it's anti-vehicle/fortification. Marines have tons of tools to kill marines. Like Claws.

>>96099391
Nah. THUNDER, guise, thunder. It's a Power weapon that explodes on the target. It used to be too heavy for powerarmorfags, at all, termi-only.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:55:03 PM No.96099497
>>96099417
Honestly? no.
Resin has superior mold options over plastic, which really helped with the various different armour mark designs.

In plastic they either have to change the design or make it in way more parts (and they ended up doing both things).

But then, I recast anyway, so recasting plastic models has no particular benefit, so maybe I'm biased. If you're buying genuine product, plastic is miles cheaper.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:55:20 PM No.96099502
>>96099413
AI often summarizes information and gives really fucked up longform points. Much how Google AI summary looks. So the rulebook format following that looks like the writers taught a learning model to help write the rules. Probably because suits up high bought an AI suite and is pushing it everywhere.
Replies: >>96099558
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:55:30 PM No.96099503
>>96099490
I miss the days when thunder hammers were terminator armour only.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:56:32 PM No.96099513
>>96099396
Crimson Path Rampagers with all Falax and Jump Packs and a Chaplain Deep Striking was absolutely underplayed in 2.0
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:57:02 PM No.96099518
Do Golden Keshig have Vanguard?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:59:01 PM No.96099535
>>96098401
Vulkan wins becuase FW is too stupid to see Eternal 3 and regen D3 wounds per turn is a stupi combo, as he just can basically live forver. But of the otehrs I think there could be some fun results to see.

>>96098573
The fun thing is due to how challanges work I think it could be a lot more interesting than that. FOr example Russ on the charge could use the Feint Gambit to stop Horus extra Damage. Horus without the +1D takes 3 turns to kill Russ. But Russ can leave Horus on 3 wounds. Then on the final turn he has one wound less than Horus, but his higher initiative and due to Worldbreaker being -2I he still has the advanteage. Then he uses the +1D gambit and he could kill Horus with a bit of luck. It is a bit closer than one thinks (and without Gambits Russ wins due to his higher I a fair amount of times). It is one of the better things GWs did on 3.0 IMO, but they have sucekd so much showing with their useless videos. Vulkan wins due to him basically immortal to most Primarchs, but I thikn the raw numbers could even make it fun to detemrine base who wins, and also see how good Gambits are. I want to do the simulations and options myself to have some fun with a terrible Edition.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:59:03 PM No.96099536
>>96099518
No, but Ebon Keshig do.
Replies: >>96099543
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:59:17 PM No.96099537
>>96099513
Some lists will just delete you with interceptor though.

Honestly 2e had so many cursed problems.
They added DS charge cheese, and countered it by adding absurd intercept cheese.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:00:02 AM No.96099543
>>96099536
Fuck that's lame
Guess WS are footsloggers now
Replies: >>96099565
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:00:57 AM No.96099549
>>96098951
Of course it had problems. Everyting does. But playing intro games without the bliat drives home how good the rules are.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:01:20 AM No.96099552
>>96099470
I think there were like ~4 kits for each mark
>despoiler
>tactical
>heavy weapons
>assault
Assault had a different chest plate, but afair the legs were all different and compatible
So you had a lot of little variation like that
Replies: >>96099573
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:01:40 AM No.96099558
>>96099502
Holy shit the rules do look like Google ai
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:02:40 AM No.96099565
>>96099543
No WS are the Rhino Rush legion. WS Despoilers in a Rhino have a threat range of 22", any unit not staying inside the enemy deployment zone will be locked in combat turn 1
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:02:50 AM No.96099569
>>96099417
There was nothing forcing them to make shit plastic kits
Replies: >>96099639
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:03:17 AM No.96099573
>>96099552
Yeah I am aware of them for other marks, but for the mark 6 set I have only ever seen the tactical set, I wasn't aware they made others?

Similar with mk.5, they had a tac set and an assault squad set, but afaik no heavy weap/despoiler set.

Genuinely keen to see pics if you do have them, autism over extra poses and shit is my jam.
Replies: >>96099630
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:03:50 AM No.96099581
>>96099565
Anything other than being the bike legion is a downgrade
Replies: >>96099599
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:04:37 AM No.96099590
>>96099513
every time Crimson Path was brought up in /hhg/ it was like you'd suggested sucking off Hitler
Replies: >>96099836
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:05:17 AM No.96099599
>>96099581
Well bikes are finally playable too. You just need some infantry on the side to be able to capture objectives.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:06:59 AM No.96099619
>>96099599
Are they? They kinda got gay'd anon.

Only 1 attack base, plasma got nerfed hard, lost weapon options.
Replies: >>96099659 >>96099686
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:07:04 AM No.96099620
>>96099599
Skyhunters were bad but afaik the Keshig were pretty good in 2.0, no?
And honestly I'd rather play assault marines than tacos in boxes
Replies: >>96099648 >>96099686
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:07:10 AM No.96099622
>>96099242

Are those Marines with fucking M203โ€™s!?!?

Sick!

I always wanted just one Marine with a Thump gun. Drum grenade launchers make more sense etc etc but ole one-shot-one-kill is just my taste. Iโ€™m dogshit at greenstuff and have no access to a printer so ionno if that idea will ever make the table.
Replies: >>96099668 >>96099727
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:07:45 AM No.96099629
>>96099490
>You think I want a TH to fight MARINES?
Yes, you want thunder hammers for duelling other enemy elites.

>No, it's anti-vehicle/fortification
Thats chainfists.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:07:50 AM No.96099630
>>96099573
You're right, doesn't look like mk5 & 6 had those
Mk5 assault squad didn't have a special torso by the looks of it, so it kinda gets a pass

I'm sure looking at the original release date would yield some answers as to why mk5&6 were left out.
Replies: >>96099682
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:08:23 AM No.96099639
>>96099569
The suits fear of people using third party bits to customize their own mini's they bought so they don't look exactly like GW brand minis was what forced them.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:09:15 AM No.96099644
>>96099490
>it's anti-vehicle/fortification
Bro the chainfist is right there
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:09:43 AM No.96099648
>>96099620
Correct, sky hunters were meh, outriders were shit, and golden keshig were funking bonkers.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:10:51 AM No.96099659
>>96099619
>Are they? They kinda got gay'd anon.
Outriders? Theyre 2w each with a load of dakka and the ability to fire it twice per turn essentially. For 20pts theyre a steal.
Replies: >>96099684
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:11:32 AM No.96099668
>>96099622
Hell yeah, 40mms of mankind's superiority.

Atalan jackals have M79s.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:12:16 AM No.96099675
>have to wait 5 minutes to post a new bread
what the fuck is this garbage
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:12:54 AM No.96099682
>>96099630
It really annoys me that mk4 assault squads are the only ones (other than destroyers which have pistol shit as part of the sculpt) they released that had the 'proper' additional chest plate. They look miles better than the exposed cable variants.
On the flipside, I don't like the look of the straps on the mk2 assault squads, I think the plainer version is nicer.

My recaster doesn't sell many individual bits, and as I magnetise my basic guys to swap between despoiler and assault squads, I have a huge deficit of normal backpacks.

Luckily they started selling the mk5 powerpack (as there was no mk5/6 despoiler kit), so I am now just buying loads of that.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:13:00 AM No.96099684
>>96099659
Can Moritats join them? Free stuncancel seems tech.
Replies: >>96099705
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:13:09 AM No.96099686
>>96099619
Outriders can shoot twice each turn, and their twin plasmagun still has breaching 4+. They can light up something with 4 plasma shots per bike before deciding to charge in or not to mob up survivors. And outriders do have Vanguard.

>>96099620
Golden Keshig were a meme tier unit. Could potentially one-tap a dreadnought before it could swing, but the hold reaction completely shut them down.
Assault marines work wonders too with WS I think. 14" move with 5" set up move.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:13:48 AM No.96099690
>>96099413
I think the material that AI has been trained off of (essays, scientific journals, tech documentation), leads to AI putting out writing with a lot of superfluous words, uniform sentence structure, and repetition of concepts. The new rulebook is written much differently than anything else GW has put out, with a lot of the "hallmarks" of AI writing. However, these hallmarks, when used by a human, actually lend themselves to internal consistency (rules don't contradict each other) and lack of redundancy (you don't have two different rules that do the same thing). I don't think it's a particularly pleasant kind of writing for the reader, and I think people are feeling that and saying a computer must have written it, even though the biggest indicators of AI, redundancy and lack of consistency, are not present.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:14:03 AM No.96099692
>>96099300
Fixed the main issues with 2.0, but currently lacking wargear and options that are hopefully in legacies. The balance of the game has shifted with a majority of weapons not hitting as hard, and the changes to challenges and the melee related phases are weird but who fucking knows until we get a few games in with books and legacies in hand
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:14:05 AM No.96099693
>>96099689
>>96099689
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:14:09 AM No.96099694
>>96099457
Alrighty then, fair enough.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:16:42 AM No.96099705
>>96099684
They can do it without him, they also have firestorm iirc.
Replies: >>96099715
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:16:51 AM No.96099707
>>96099417
Do you want accessible options like tactical squads that donโ€™t cost a kidney cause rn itโ€™s $80 for 20 tacs or $100+ for 5 resin dudes from gw lmao. Beyond that their resin printing is in the uk which heavily taxes resin printing
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:17:57 AM No.96099715
>>96099705
Even better
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:18:57 AM No.96099723
>>96098816
The irony is TLOS was raped into 40K in the first place because that Dago faggot wanted to...avoid player arguments, in his tournament-mentality-focused rewrite of the game. You're literally advocating in favour of a mechanic that was added for the reasons you're trying to ascribe to the people who want it reverted to the vastly superior original method.

TLOSfags are bordering on AAtroon levels of obnoxiousness these days.
Replies: >>96099813
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:19:11 AM No.96099727
>>96099622
>Are those Marines with fucking M203โ€™s!?!?
Looks like old Anvil bolters and launchers. Only one they still sell is the one for Guard, but I'm sure one can figure out how to make it work on bolters:
https://anvilindustry.co.uk/underslung-grenade-launchers-6-regiments-scale
They also make M79s:
https://anvilindustry.co.uk/m79-launcher
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:29:31 AM No.96099813
>>96099723
>He things that tlos is worse then an entire unit being able to shoot from the tip of a spear.
Replies: >>96100114
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:32:01 AM No.96099836
>>96099590
A free *wound* every *phase*???
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:51:07 AM No.96099982
>>96097895
So another lie. No mandatory picks in the new army building design they said.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 1:13:53 AM No.96100114
>>96099813
that's not at all how it works but go off, retard
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 2:16:54 AM No.96100508
>>96094306
Wakanda shouldn't have started shit
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 2:38:22 AM No.96100643
>>96094375
What was your strategy for the hazard stripes on the knees? I struggle with those areas
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:27:53 AM No.96101292
>>96094375
based and pauldrons against body pilled
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 5:33:11 AM No.96101590
>>96094722
Huh, does the Iron Warrior trait even protect vehicles and deeds from shock?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:03:06 PM No.96102729
>>96098152
>Stormcast Annihilators with Meteoric Grandhammers