It just keeps getting worse edition
Previous Heresy:
>>96099689 >HH 3.0 Leakshttps://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://files.catbox.moe/98h6h7.pdf
https://litter.catbox.moe/9zh539zknqu9vqso.pdf
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N
>New Edition upon ushttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
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>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics
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>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm
>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
TQ: What kind of joke list would you like to make with the new army building rules?
I posted this question recently but since a new edition is coming out I guess the answers I got then are now outdated and would like to pick your brains again please, for what we learned from the leaks:
Are missile launchers, heavy bolters, plasma guns, melta guns and flamers good in HH or is there some power creep that makes it volkite weapons and nothing else?
>wanted to start heresy word bearers with betrayal at calth back in the day, life happened and I got money now but BaC boxes are scalped as shit now
>everything plastic now requires upgrade sprues
>realize that stand alone mkiv boxes come the same special and heavy weapon options as they did in the starter box
Double score since it's still my favorite mark of power armor, and if I buy three boxes I'll have at least two small heavy weapon teams, two to three tactical support squads and up to forty regular tacticals which sounds like a solid core for a small army. Question is, are those weapons still good?
>>96104389 (OP)>What kind of joke list would you like to make with the new army building rules?2nd time's the charm
Prime detachment:
Praetor
Centurion
Centurion
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Apex Detachment (Officer Cadre):
Centurion
Centurion
Aux Detachment (Primus Demi-Company):
Optae
Aux Detachment (Primus Demi-Company):
Optae
Aux Detachment (Primus Demi-Company):
Optae
Aux Detachment (Primus Demi-Company):
Optae
Aux Detachment (Primus Demi-Company):
Optae
Aux Detachment (Primus Demi-Company):
Optae
Aux Detachment (Primus Demi-Company):
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>>96104389 (OP)This edition is a bigger joke than any list I can make
>>96104403Volkite is probably still good, but has been basically uniformly nerfed with less shots on the bigger guns.
>Are missile launchers, heavy bolters, plasma guns, melta guns and flamers good in HHPlasma guns and missile launchers dont seem fantastic (although missile launchers are still decent as a budget weapon with versitile applications).
Heavy bolters still dakka a lot, flamers now cause panic tests so theyre situationally great and melta guns are now super scary.
What will you do when heresy is just as scuffed as 40k and AoS?
>>96104389 (OP)https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/p0y6yx4s/legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness-what-you-need-to-know/
Legacies teased, are you still fucked and if so how hard
>>96104403In the new edition all weapons look more or less balanced. They all have their own niche, like flamers having Panic, and melta's getting double damage against vehicles in half range. Missile launchers have a place again now that dreadnought spam is dead. Volkite weapons have one or two shots less than they used to, so they aren't the nobrainer go-to option for anti-infantry anymore.
And with the new detachment system you no longer have heavy bolter squads compete for the same slot as a vindicator squadron and the like, so it's more easy to bring a wide variety of units.
>>96104405Can you fit in 27 optae to make 3 squads of tactical HQ squads with centurion Sergeants and praetor captain
>just as guillman intended *crack*SIIIIP
>>96104405Cant you just keep taking more optae? Each of them is a command slot that can unlock a further primus demi company. Play movie marines, name all of them and use them instead of tacticals.
The influencers that got previews weren't aware of this change. So it's a last minute U-turn. Check Goonhammer's and SN's reviews of 3.0E
>>96104405>64 pts/model before wargear >16 dudes>1020ptsUh, I guess?
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Where were you when the doomers lost
>>96104449>people who got a copy of the books arent aware of the contents of a legacy pdf that doesent exist yetNo shit.
>>96104449What the fuck are you on about we've known about legacies since before the leaks you psychopath
>>96104434House rule our own 2.5.
We've got a consistent enough group, that we've been playing with for a few years.
We've just finished a narrative campaign, and we're going to try out 3 before making a decision. But we're more than willing to put in some effort to back port things, and keep some of the ideas from 3 that we end up liking.
Either way, more Heresy will be played.
>>96104389 (OP)>tqMmmmmmm ashen circle. Yummy yummy template
I would say that if you want to run Tartaros Termies, you better be picking up kits now. Itโs confirmed the new kit will not have fists+other options.
>>96104456Doomers losing implies they are right, is that what you mean?
>>96104445Fuck you're right
Off to building more Optae then
>>96104449It's not a change. That there would be a legacies PDF was publicly available knowledge before "influencers" got their review copies.
Warhammer e-celebs are dumb fucks who can't even figure out AOS or 40k despite retard proof simplistic rules. No one should listen to anything they have to say, because they're even less informed than the common man.
>>96104435Yep!
>Veteran Breacher Squad>Veteran HSS SquadWhy are these things necessary and why are they no just in the liber?
>Legacy pdf is nearly the size of the liber's army listTotally necessary. Such a streamlined ruleset.
>>96104435man seeing a unit show up in an index/legacy/legends PDF that used to be in an army book is like being told that your friend got a cancer diagnosis, you know they aren't dead yet but the writing is on the wall
>>96104484You know you can just use your foot vets as a centurion command squad right?
>>96104403Missile launchers are better than people let on. Once destroyers come back, then rad missiles are way better in 3.0 if they keep AP3.
Heavy bolters are really only good if youre IF or face a lot of non-marines.
Flamers are up in the air as the full effects of panic arent seen.
Plasmaguns are in a tricky spot, vanilla with no support they are a bit lacking. Taken for TS then they get rending 5+. Not sure how to make them worth it outside TS. That said, not all plasma is equal. Only the basic plasma are iffy. Others have breaching 4+/5+ base.
>>96104487just slap em in a dready and you're good to go
>>96104487These aren't 40k/AOS legends you retard. HH legacies is basically a holding pattern until GW gets to making new models, just look at tarantula sentry guns. NO ONE was asking for new models for those things, yet they're in plastic with rules in the libers now.
>>96104487>has units from 1.0They're fine.
>>96104487stop playing 40k and this will stop happening to you
>>96104487Remind that there are units that were introduced in 3rd edition that never got models in the 40k legends pdf.
>>96104496We already know what rad missile launchers do, they're in the dreadwing interemptor unit entry.
>>96104518Oh fuck yes thats the shit right there
is it possible to take an army with no characters if I just keep spamming allied detachments filled with troops?
>>9610447846 optae with fists/hammers is 2,990 points
Do with this information what you will
>>96104493Centurion command squads have to exchange their bolter for their melee or combi weapon. I specifically made my blackshields to be anally WYSIWYG with all of and as much of their equipment on on the model as possible. I'm not proxying after that.
>>96104484>Why are these things necessarynew plastic veterans box
>>96104496Don't heavy bolters become ap3 if you haven't moved? That sounds pretty amazing.
>>96104537Cant they swap pistols?
>>96104434Keep playing 1.0 like I did for the entirety of 2.0.
>>96104529The phage rule actually doing something got me hyped. Imagine hitting a 20 man tactical squad with these bad boys, reducing the whole unit to T3, then have your own tactical squad light them up with 60 bolters shots.
>>96104545Bolter exchanged for a melee weapon or a gun
Pistol exchanged for another pistol or a shield if you have a melee weapon
Bolter exchanged for a special or heavy weapon
>>96104525GW are gonna be hurting when the starter set they will have available for the entire edition isn't sold out for a week
>>96104534Yes. You can take one additional slot as prime advantage, 25% points for a lord of war, a retinue and heavy transport in the Warlord detachment at 3k points, then 50% of points on allies. It is totally doable.
>>96104551I never left home without my destoyers and plan to make MKII Mortalis ones. Its a good day for warcrimers.
Am I reading this wrong or can you take three praetors using the special assignment prime in the crusade det and the officer det? For a total of +3 reactions (adding on to the free one you get from an augury squad, 1 of you're Ultramarines, and the one you get from playing at 3k).
I'm trying to figure out how to stuff the most reactions possible into a 3k
>>96104456>Be doomer>Kick up such a shitstorm that the corporation delays its digital release schedule clearly to expand its contents >somehow this is us losing Eat shit fag
>>96104534No, you need 50% of your list as your main army
>>96104565ok I know what my joke list is gonna be, thank you anon
>In addition to the units, the PDF will include options to equip many characters with more exotic wargear including bikes, jump packs and Terminator armour.
Total Chud victory, however
DO NOT BUY THE FUCKING BOX SET AT RELEASE. DO NOT FOMO. BUILD YOUR GODFORSAKEN BACKLOG. IT IS NOT A LIMITED SET. TEACH THEM A LESSON
>>96104541so far the only AP3 bolter is the Fire Raptor's one
>>96104573>Moved the goal posts so many times, so far, the sport changed.What a stellar play.
>>96104576It's gonna be one of my joke lists too. Just to be able to say
>Challenges? What are those?
>>96104559I wish they had a jump pack version or praetorian jump squads had heavy weapons. I want jump heavy distingrators so bad.
>>96104589Don't buy it at all.
>>96104589>Total Chud victory>characters>i.e. we're probably not unfucking a good chunk of the unit options
>>96104589>DO NOT BUY THE FUCKING BOX SET AT RELEASE. DO NOT FOMO. BUILD YOUR GODFORSAKEN BACKLOG. IT IS NOT A LIMITED SET. TEACH THEM A LESSONAlready preordered 2 for my self and 5 to split for a profit
>Volkite culverin r45 fp3 rs6 ap5 d1 with deflagrate
>Heavy bolter r36 fp3 rs5 ap4 d1
Will the heavy bolter ever be anything but "vokite but worse"?
>>96104389 (OP)Solar auxilia list made up of demolisher dracosans carrying axe Veletarii could be pretty fun depending on whether or not we're allowed good axes.
>>96104573>Moving the goalposts so far they're in a different dimensionWew lad
>>96104551Despite everyone saying they're garbage you can do some funny things with them
>take librarian with biomancy and either telekinesis (if you're concerned about them getting shot to pieces) or divination (if you want to kill characters)>cast biomantic rage before charging, get gal vorbak up to S7 T7>deal 4-6 wounds at I5 to 2+ save units depending on invulnerable, triggering phage>S4 weapons can no longer even touch you, S5-6 wounds on 6s, S7 thunder hammers wound on 5s, S8 power fists on 4s, need to be S10+ to even get to wound on a 2+>still get their FNP afterward >you can run 3 such units because biomancy just requires you to be within 18" of the charging unit
>>96104625I'm sure you will make a killing, anon.
>no jet pack magos
>no reductor artillery tank
>no mechanicum land raider
>no arlatax even though its in LI
Thanks games workshop, very cool
Does the TSon Numerologist come in Termi or tactical armor?
I want to use a WBearer model because their armor is covered in runes. Or is this too lame?
>>96104629As long as they are less points that's not a problem. Point values exist for a reason anon.
Heavy bolters do have AP 4, so they will be more deadly against SA.
>>96104629Yes, when you fight things with 4+ armor. Into auxilia the heavy bolter has 3 (4 if stationary) shots hitting on 3s killing on 2s.
>>96104629are they worse in IF army?
>>96104639Already have, but thanks
>>96104642The arlatax is coming in the Xana journal along with the gholam IH.
>>96104589Why would I buy it? I'm not playing 3rd edition. I refuse to support this 3 year slop cycle. I will play first ed until the Outer Circle Edition comes out and if it sucks I will just keep playing first.
>>96104646>Does the TSon Numerologist come in Termi or tactical armor?Historically? Either. Now? Probably power armour locked.
>Tacticus
>>96104662I'm actually glad to hear someone is getting something good out of this.
>>96104663I don't care. The units should be in the fucking army book, not artificially withheld for a dogshit value supplement i don't want.
>>96104655Just really hope that they don't do something cheeky like not running out to stand in a wide open kill funnel.
>>96104674Post your artalax anon I want to see others
>>96104674If you want to play the new edition you have to wait and clap your hands when it arrives and pay GW. Also no reductor tank, kitbashing stimulates imagination in people so we gotta estirpate it. Repeat after me: The Ordo Reductor never used any artillery, The Ordo Reductor never used any artillery, The Ordo Reductor nev...
>>96104642I hope they add photon thrusters back to magi
it's sad that the heaviest weapon I can put on one is a gimped c-beamer
>Old world comes out
>Almost all units are in the army book, faction specific Journals are cheap and just have named characters, new missions and armies of infamy
>30k 3.0 comes out
>basic units are culled from the previous edition.
>Army book doesn't have basic weapon options
>its ok goys we'll just add them back in the legion journals
It's the same concept but the 30k team completely botched the execution. How the fuck did this happen?
>>96104405can you make them all join eachover as one mega unit or is there a limit?
Will they fuck up Destroyers out of spite now?
>>96104697go back to your dead game and dead general
>>96104625Shlomo here gets it
>>96104457>>96104461We've known *a* Legacy PDF was coming, and it was plausibly assumed that it would contain some, perhaps all of the complete units that had been cut from the core list. The notion that GW absolutely gutted half the units and characters of options and then neglected to even mention the fact that essentially *all* of that lost content was going to be restored in Legacies - supposedly because they wanted to make the edition box-options only in order to pander to retards, despite lots of the stuff they cut being options in the fucking boxes and several units getting extra options that aren't available in those kits - to anyone including their pet playtesters who's literal job is to hype the new edition until well after leaks came out that completely fucking torched the community - and almost a week after those pet playtesters put out their damage-control previews that would have been an absolutely perfect place to quash the entire backlash, even if zero actual details were provided beyond "it's all coming back according to Word of James" - absolutely beggars fucking belief and it's depressing so many people are gullible enough to accept what is clearly an absolute fucking scramble on GW's part when they realized this whole furor wasn't going to just die off on its own.
>>96104699You need an anchor unit of non characters, like a 10 man tactical squad
>>96104642Arlatax has to still be around, no way they would remove it.
Have we seen the content directory for the mech liber?
>>96104697They tested it in 2.0 by removing certain options like default krak grenades for tacticals instead of being an upgrade and when people accepted it they went and started heating the water more. Now most frogs want to jump out but for some it's a bit too late.
God I just really hope either we get indomitus characters or indomitus terminators don't have heavy this time
>>96104697>>Almost all units are in the army bookYea man, my skullcrushers, hellstriders, juggernaut mounts, palanquin of nurgle, steed of slaanesh and disk of tzeench were definetly in the ravening hordes book right? Also my war shrine, mutalith vortex beast and slaughterbrute.
Cant forget all those magic items and basic equipment options that we kept!
HH players dont know how good they have it. Losing power axes on ultramarine defecators is considered a travesty.
>>96104730They should have heavy. They're supposed to be inferior to both Cataphractii and Tartaros. If they can run they're indistinguishable from Tartaros.
>>96104724It's a bit obvious that the arlatax is getting a plastic model which is why it isn't in the book. They want to sell you the rules in a journal.
>>96104435>World Eaters>Red Hand Destroyer Mortalis Squad>Red Hand Destroyer Assault SquadNo fixes for core units that had chainswords removed. No fixes for WE legion units that had wargear removed.
Still mad.
>>96104727All tactical marines had krak grenades by default anon. What the fuck are you on about.
>>96104733Daemon players always have to eat shit
>>96104737>move 6 There, now it's inferior.
>>96104720None of the influencers have access to the legacy rules, they were not sent out in advance. Influencers get a (password locked) file containing the basic rules and thats about it.
But no, its not that "influencers didnt know because they didnt get sent the rules", its that influencers - actually in house GW propaganda teams - knew that the legacy rules werent real, and the legacy rules were only actually written since the leaks that happened last week.
>>96104733You are a battered housewife that crawled back to her abuser. If post endtimes you still play a GW fantasy game you don't deserve to have an opinion, much less to post it where our general can see it.
>>96104742>Skullcrushers>Daemon unit
>>96104629Culverins don't scare the Aux nearly as much as heavy bolters do, both guns hit on 3s and wound on 2s but even with deflagrate the Culverin does less damage than the HB.
If you're shooting marines tho (and you usually will be) then yeah the culverin is better.
>>96104589>DO NOT FOMOThe box isn't limited.
>>96104389 (OP)>TQHonestly I like the idea of taking an allied detachment of hereticus EC and running a horde of tacticals and just banking on stupefy to stop them from gaining tactical statuses so they can cap objectives. Really go for that siege of terra vibe
>>96104697Probably some retarded suits meddling about people not being allowed to kitbash their products.
>>96104730No, they should have heavy. The point is that they have the drawbacks of both terminator armors. So 5+ invuln and m6 heavy respectively. The benefit is that theyre a cheap troops way to get terminator armor.
>>96104674The army book shouldn't even exist, the datasheets should be available for free like they already do with their other games
>>96104754wait were marines allowed to ride on those dudes? thats cool.
>>96104697Did you forget half the factions in TOW aren't in the book?
>>96104737What the fuck are you talking about
>>96104642The macaroid is in the legacy pdf
>>96104769I mean I guess they technically are? Pretty sure they also had rules for it in khorne demonkin. But I dont see the relevance here.
>>96104776What the fuck are you talking about?
>>96104765There are any number of pro-consumer things GW could do.
>>96104763Wasn't the Indomitus literally unfinished? Like the Gorgon terminators are wearing prototype indomitus but Ferrus Manus got decapitated before he could iron out the kinks so the admech fucked it up for mass production.
>>96104748Eat shit you disingenuous fuck - the whole point of influencers is to influence. The leaks came out well before the influencers were allowed to put out their content, absolutely nothing whatsoever prevented GW reaching out to them and saying
>Hey we've noticed people are a bit upset, stick a little bit at the end of your article saying we've told you that all that stuff is definitely, 100% coming in Legacies would you?and yet they didn't. They let the influencers put out equivocal, desperate attempts to defend what they thought was going to be the reality of 3.0, one in which all those options were gone, and that made the backlash *worse*.
So what, is your argument that GW is just comically incompetent?
>>96104765>like they already do with their otherDoes he know?
>>96104788Tacticals have always had krak grenades.
>>96104721I don't see anything in the rules that supports this
>>96104740>No jump Rampagers
>>96104776I know it never mattered ruleswise but I dislike they've removed the armour type from the wargear list of a unit.
>>96104798>absolutely nothing whatsoever prevented GW reaching out to them and sayingBecause the influencers are an in house PR team right? As opposed to just random YT channels who reached out and asked for an early copy of the rules so they can make videos.
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>>96104737>If they can run they're indistinguishable from Tartaros.Like they've been for the majority of their existence?
>>96104798>So what, is your argument that GW is just comically incompetent?NTA but I'd die on the hill that GW are incompetent. Though not Comically incompetent because I'm not laughing.
>>96104798Influencers also need time. All those videos and articles were finished weeks ago and scheduled to release automatically last saturday.
>>96104748>actually in house GW propaganda teams - knew that the legacy rules werent real, and the legacy rules were only actually written since the leaks that happened last week.This is the dumbest, nigger faggotry in this whole shitstorm.
>Yeah that thing that they said was coming months ago and was on the release schedule for release at the same time as the box?>Yeah it just never existed until everyone got mad. Yeah. It was actually a conspiracy, but because we threw a shitfit it became real. For sure.>Please let me shift the narrative so I don't look like a histrionic woman, one more L and I'm a suicide statisticDoomposters have been utterly, THOROUGHLY gassed like the dumb schizoid niggers that they are.
>>96104821Yeah even now that things like jump packs and iron halos are included in the profile, it's a shame they're not listed under wargear. It's just a nice touch, for immersion.
>>96104796Gorgons are fused to their armour and can never take it off but at the same time it's slowly killing them due to the chemicals it leaks, that's what you are thinking off. Ferrus would have upgraded it into a version that can be taken off but he's dead now.
>>96104821Ah, so you're saying GW did reach out to the wholly captive shills desperate for their approval and continued stream of freebies and asked them to clarify the situation, and every single last one of them just decided not to? Valrak, Troonhammer, Fuck Pardo - all of them just said
>Nah, let's make complete tits of ourselves instead for the lulz? I genuinely can't decide if you're this dumb, this much of a cuck, or just pretending to be retarded for (you)'s.
>>96104822>this nigga hates granularitygo play 10th 40k
>>96104759EC hereticus seem like theyโd be fun to play. Itโs just a shame that their exclusive detachment is the way it is
>>96104759You still have rules in 3.0?
I hope this whole shitstorm leads to GW no longer sending stuff to influencers early.
>>96104835>gluk gluk gluk
>run SoH as primary faction with horus ascended
>run 8 allied detachments, one for each of the other traitor legions
oh yeah, it's siege of terra time
>>96104733Noooo, my setting inappropriate daemonic mount units had to use a generic daemonic mount statline instead of one for the specific daemon mount if I wanted to only use the generic army book from when they resurrected the system! This is so much worse than losing significant chunks of most armies overnight!
Do you get a model back when you use the Narthecium if you pass the recovery test or is this the most convoluted way of saying "roll a dice and on a 4+ you get the -2 to the status check"
>>96104852I hope it kills HH as a system so it can go back into the hands of the people like it was during the time after book 9.
>>96104852I hope it leads to GW understanding people play wargames for the crunch and customization, to make their little dude theirs. Not to play an expensive card game.
>>96104868All GW games are indeed better once GW stops having anything to do with them.
>Power fists? Power gamer
GW says anyone who uses power fists in Tartaros are WAACfags
>>96104855>If you don't participate in our mass hysteria and delude yourself into thinking your shitposting on a 4chan thread has somehow rewritten history, YOU'RE A CUM SUCKING SHILL because the first thing I think of for any event is COCKYou're an actual faggot
>>96104868There is nothing stopping you from playing 1.0
>>96104842No, im saying GW doesent talk to influencers you dense fuck. Theyre not some in house team, they dont have a little GW contact that they constantly talk to, theyre functionally independent channels/websites/whatever that get early copies because they asked nicely and GW knows it benefits them. At most they have an NDA to not leak shit before a given date.
Theyre not the GW pr department
>>96104843>point out facts>"you're just a hater!"Go back to r*ddit.
>>96104873That's not what that says at all though.
>>96104866Yes actually, thats worse than "my space marine HQ is now a generic space marine HQ rather than the same guy but with a special rule I really liked!"
>>96104872Agreed.
>>96104877I already do. I just want to see it gone from GW's hands.
>>96104873>Up to the organiserWhy? They are legal units so why would it be up to the organizer?
Can I ban Mecanicum and Knights from the tournaments I organize just cuz I don't like dealing with them?
How about Marines?
>>96104867The narthecium allows you an extra recovery check in the morale phase. Normally, you only get it with the Medic! reaction, which can help negate damage allocated to the unit.
>>96104886Your facts are gay and retarded, just like you. Call your father and apologize to him
>>96104496plasmaguns on outriders doubleshooting with firestorm volley fire fucking rocks.
>>96104880GW doesn't talk to influencers. The influencers just uhhh sign the contract that's on the front of the website and submit it, then delivery and release schedules are arranged by uhhh GW just leaving boxes with post-it notes on at the steps of Nottingham HQ for the influencers to pick up and obey, and uhh...
>>96104457You are a literal retard
The content people have the legacies and the Custodes. Winters admitted he had the Custodes rules last week. An SN member said they were considering house rules to add options back in. Why would the SN guy say they were considering house rules if the PDF (which they had, see Winters admitting he had custodes rules already) included all the options people were crying they had lost?
Because GW is trying to re write the PDF NOW to add options back in
>>96104894>Can I ban Mecanicum and Knights from the tournaments I organize just cuz I don't like dealing with them?>How about Marines?Yes? If you organize an event you can set whatever rules you want. You could say thunder hammers are banned, or that land raiders have an extra 100pts points cost, or that dark angels cant take cenobium.
Its your event, you can do whatever you decide to do.
>>96104894Yes if you organize an event you can make up rules, you could even ban gaming at your gaming event. Does it make sense? No but it is your event.
>>96104697>Almost all units are in the army book, faction specific Journals are cheap and just have named characters, new missions and armies of infamyExcept HALF THE FUCKING ARMIES HAVE SHIT LEGACY PDFS and CANT EVEN BE PURCHASED
>>96104894>Why? They are legal units so why would it be up to the organizer?Because it's their tournament
>Can I ban Mecanicum and Knights from the tournaments I organize just cuz I don't like dealing with them?Yes
>How about Marines?Also yes
>>96104894I mean, organizers can do whatever they want. They banned Votann on release for example.
>>96104894Anons do you not remember the tales of non marine armies getting banned from events because the EO hates the idea of space marines losing to non space marines?
>>96104913Based event organizers.
>>96104897yea but the problem is that the recovery check happens right after allocating a wound and that's not in the morale sub-phase so the rule makes no sense. You'd have to maybe return a model that you already removed as a casualty in a previous sub-phase and that can mess with whether the unit run away or not and shit like that...
>>96104906I could see them adding options back (Oh right, recon marines had bolters), but the narrative is being twisted to "They had like 2 units in the pdf and 99% of it has been written in the past 48 hours"
>>96104906>Because GW is trying to re write the PDF NOW to add options back inEven if that were true, does it matter? We're getting them.
>>96104909The legacy PDF cover the vast majority of units (I play skaven and dork elfs), and those units not for sale weren't removed for the start of TOW like they're being removed for 3.0, they were removed ten years before. Suck a dick.
>>96104913It's different. That was justified
>>96104894>Can I ban Mecanicum and Knights from the tournaments I organize just cuz I don't like dealing with them?>How about Marines?A tourney were your primary has to be aux or militia and everyone else is only allowed as allies sounds kino
>>96104905Yea man "hey can we have a box of this stuff before it releases? yea sure just dont leak shit before XX/XX/XX" is totally the same as the company having a little chatroom for all their influencers where a community manager keeps them updated on every momentary little thing.
>>96104867I think a Recovery test happens before the model is removed. If it is passed, the Damage is reduced (up to 0).
Incidentally, this also makes a unit substract -2 from the Recovery test it can make during the Morale phase due to the unit having a narthexiun among them.
Also, even if no one is hurt, but the unit does have a status effect, you could roll for a Recovery test (no injury necessary) to try and remove that status.
Boy I love having to look up three different pages to know what an apothecary does!
>>96104894>Can I ban Mecanicum and Knights from the tournaments I organize just cuz I don't like dealing with them?Yes. Event organisers can do whatever the fuck they want, GW doesn't care. There are some notorious anecdotes about event organisers who let the power get to their head, and impose some wild limitations. There was this one guy who put incredibly harsh restrictions on SA and mechanicum, because "in the lore they never win from marines so they should not be able to win from marines in the game"
>>96104906>The content people have the legacies and the CustodesNo idea about custodes, but they dont have the legacy rules.
30k tournament without marines would probably be interesting if you could get enough people to show up for it.
>>96104918Umm, it's called a Recovery Test and a Recovery Test made for a unit is a fundamentally different thing to a Recovery Test made for a model in a unit, chud. Don't blame us just because our simple rules bamboozle you.
>>96104927>The legacy PDF cover the vast majority of units (I play skaven and dork elfs)And they're unplayably bad with completely phoned in rules. You have to buy AoS models to get a skaven army in TOW, and Dark Elves are missing half of their roster.
>and those units not for sale weren't removed for the start of TOW like they're being removed for 3.0, they were removed ten years beforeWhat a weird thing to be bragging about
>Hah, our army lists already got annihilated because of AoS! Take THAT!
>>96104625 Tell me how much you get for all them rule books lad.
The dice and templates as well.
You will only, realistically, sell the models, and you better pray you can scrap by under bulk seller discount for the individual units
>>96104938Wasnt that a LGS rather than an event?
>>96104867Probably the convoluted way to say roll a 4+
Also, this is Characteristic Checks, not status rolls specifically. So it would work on Ld checks to see if you run away?
>>96104924>Even if that were true, does it matter?Yes. Getting things haphazardly patched in a separate downloadable document and split out pointlessly into a bunch of unit entries for the same units is obviously inferior to just writing the rules competently in a bunch of ways, nigger.
>>96104928Point is that organizers can ban or include whatever they want wether GW says it or not.
>>96104946Thank god for the community patch
>>96104949One anon found out about it because he wanted to attend an event at that LGS iirc.
>>96104957Of course, but the libers were never gonna change. Wether they are adding those options now or they were always in the pdf won't change the end result. Keep in mind we weren't supposed to see all those leaks.
>>96104946>And they're unplayably bad with completely phoned in rulesOne faction is, because its development was cut off half way.
>You have to buy AoS models to get a skaven army in TOW, and Dark Elves are missing half of their roster.Already addressed, and the PDF is providing rules (not models) for people who have (and therefore do not need to purchase) existing armies.
>What a weird thing to be bragging aboutWhat an ESL take on me pointing out you're off point.
>Hah, our army lists already got annihilated because of AoS! Take THAT!You do understand the difference between a box on the GW webstore and a unit entry on paper, right, anon?
>>96104487Iโm a newfag lurker and never got around to playing 2.0 (built the AoD box but had a baby so no time to play games) but Iโm pretty sure you can play your legends. It doesnโt mean the same as it does with 40K. With ultramarines Fulmentarus and Honored Telemachus were a-ok in lost building iirc. Iโm still a Nogales fag so please correct me if Iโm wrong.
>>96104918Here's where I think you're getting confused
A recovery check is a roll based on the value of the medic rule in a unit's profile to see if something happens. Nothing let's you take a recovery check unless specifically prompted, and what actually happens will depend on what triggered the recovery check
Narthecium's allow you to make a recovery check during the end phase to apply a -2 modifier to status clear checks. This does nothing else but apply that -2 modifier if successful.
There is a Medic! Reaction that allows you, for each model that would be have wounds allocated to them by an attack, including models that would've been removed as a casualty, to do a recovery check for one wound allocated to that model, and if successful reduce the damage of a wound allocated to that model by 1. This means that for example, if these are models with 1 wound each, that you could reduce the damage of 1 wound allocated to each model by 1, so if it was a damage 1 wound it would reduce to 0 and leave that model alive, but if it was damage 2 that model would still take 1 wound and still die. If they were 2 wound models each allocated 2 D1 wounds, you could reduce the damage of one of those wounds to 0, leaving each model that passed that recovery check at 1 wound.
It's basically an attempt to get apothecaries to not just magically repair every wound but get a last chance to keep models in the unit alive.
>>96104969Right, but nobody has a problem with them adding things to the PDFs. We have a problem with them having written dogshit rules, may of which will remain dogshit, and them scurrying to fit more patches into the PDFs now is symptomatic of that original fuckup across the new rules.
>>96104924Lol NOW who is moving the goal posts
>>96104922100% they are adding in shit now (probably mostly shit like terminator, jump pack, and bike options for various centurions) that were NOT in there before the outrage last week. The options getting removed was largely targeted at getting rid of character options GW didn't sell (GW wants you to buy the characters they have the best bang for their buck, in production costs, storage size and weight for shipping and warehousing, fucking everything).
>>96104930And the whole community erupting in rage in a way that has clearly materially impacted the product launch is totally the same as "every little thing". Again, disingenuous shillery - GW has social media, GW has the influencers' contact info clearly, so your argument remains that they just decided not to bother correcting the record for literally multiple weeks, and you're acting like we're the irrational ones.
>>96104960Only thing that sucks about the GW panic capitulation is that now a lot of the community editions will die off.
A shame, I want less GW control, not more. The Renegades pack for TOW is a perfect example; the community largely accepted it and gave a fuck you to GW for it's faggotry
>>96104977That is correct. The legacies rules spell it out for you that the units in there are completely and entirely legal to use in any game.
But sadly most people are illiterate, and 40k refugees, and just assume it works the same as it does there.
>>96104977>Iโm pretty sure you can play your legendsYou currently can, but whether you could or not at events varied a lot (Fulmentarus were completely fucking borked on release), and GW have proven incredibly unreliable with staying the course on what they say on support for legacies in the past.
>>96104991Yes anon, excpecting that random youtube channels are going to be the vessel through which GW does official announcements is fucking retarded. GW did communicate regarding the info, they released an article. Instead of texting pardo late at night on their shared discord server they totally have.
>>96104971>One faction is, because its development was cut off half way.Skaven are auto lose and are missing half their options
Vampires are auto lose and are just AoS leftovers
Dark Elves have a dragon that can carry them while the rest of their army is hot garbage
>What an ESL take on me pointing out you're off point.Sorry nigger, 1st world nation unlike your miserable Polish existence.
>You do understand the difference between a box on the GW webstore and a unit entry on paper, right, anon?It's almost like TOW was a shit show just like this, and slurping GW cock to own GW is retarded.
>>96104999Has GW ever deleted rules for a model in legends for 40k from 8th edition to 10th edition? That'd be the best indicator on the future of legacies right?
>>96104999I fully expect there to be a very clear bias against the units they are putting in the book right now; expect all the terminator options for consuls to be 50 to 70 points extra as a real fuck you.
>>96105009>Legacies treated even close to how quickly 40k legends have been.it's so beyond over
>>96105009No it wouldn't, because 40k legends and HH legacies are handled different.
There are already examples of units from HH legacies that returned with new plastic models and rules. Models that absolutely no one was asking for even.
Stop panicking about legacies rules ffs.
>>96104487Read the actual rules instead of reddit thread titles, 30k legacies aren't like 40k legends
>>96105009Mutilators didn't have Legends rules in 9th but they did in 10th
>>96104983>Lol NOW who is moving the goal postsI'm a different guy. I'm glad the community reacted this way and didn't just swallow it like it happened to 40k. But we got it. The options are coming. Why does it matter if that was always coming with the pdf or they are adding them now? In the end it's the same. We're getting those options and GW knows the community is against cutting them.
>>96105007> Vampires auto loseAre you fucking retarded? Vampires are probably the strongest army in TOW, fucking full stop.
Skaven are shit, DE are shit (lmao at thinking their dragon is enough to save them).
You are NOT helping the cause when you shit out info that anyone who has played TOW for a second KNOWS is complete shit. Maybe just shut the fuck up and let the people who don't work for an hourly wage handle the arguing?
You just post frog maymays and insult trannies, that's more your intelligence level.
>>96105007>Vampires are auto lose and are just AoS leftoversLol. Lmao.
Vampires are (were?) arguably the most powerful army in the game alongside bretonnia and greenskins.
>>96104980The Recovery Test right there
>>96104867 is the thing that specifies it happens when you take a wound. And that you reduce the damage by 1
The Medic! reaction just lets you use it, same as the Narthecium
The difference is that the Medic! reaction specifically happen in the step where you assign the unsaved wounds and the Narthecium is used in a completely different sub-phase, which shouldn't be possible
>they put out a damage control article
I think they know they fucked up, but definitely won't change anything
>>96104472Counterpoint, they'll be the proper size and look good instead of cocksucking midgets sculpted boringly.
Today should be a relief for many grogs, but in actuality they'll be crushed under the knowledge that their old, hideous models will be coming out again, Better.
>>96105038>>96105039Gottem
You went through all that effort to admit TOW was handled worse than 3.0
>>96104867Recovery Test translates to a Medic (X) test. Thats it, insert no further rules, no further assumptions and follow the Recovery Test instructions.
>>96105032Because the GW corpo cucks are trying to revise history. Instead of admitting the community has justifiably outraged, or that their outrage actually produced results, they are trying to twist the narrative to 'well you were pre mature, there WAS nothing to worry about, you are so stupid and wrong for acting that way.' Which is bullshit, moving the goal posts, and trying to deny that calling GW out worked.
>>96105059You just spent the last 10 minutes UM AKSHUALLYing about TOW while managing to describe exactly why it's garbage, to the point of requiring a community patch
>>96105053No, it wasn't.
Shut up retard. If you want to talk about old world go to your general to do it
>Doomers performing olympic level mental gymnastics
Oh boy I'm laffing so much today.
>>96105048doomposters are being lynched, the tides turning
nice
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>>96104962>put the fuel source on an external carrier so when it's hit, it'll blow up without destroying the tank>tank still blows up more easily
>>96105067Vampires not being weak is why its garbage?
>to the point of requiring a community patchLike how the various horus heresy community patches serve as damning indictments of the system right? I hear theres an outer circle edition in the work too its so bad
>>96105071All super-heavies can do that
>>96105068>N-n-n-no it wasn't! TOW is based! That's why I brought it up in the 30k thread!>But YOU should go back to /wfg/ Warsaw instead of me, the guy who brought it up
>>96105078Nobody played community patches in 2.0, and all the guys faggoty enough to consider it for 3.0 are probably just sticking with 1.0
>>96105084Comparing Old World to 30k in the 30k thread is on topic. Sperging about vampire counts is not. Kill yourself already trannyjak poster
>>96105066Well, post the proof you obviously must posses that the legacies (which were announced long before the leaks) were written last minute in response to some nerds who don't play the game anyway being upset, and not finished long before the rules were even announced.
Actual proof, not your psychotic schizo speculations.
>>96105067um akshully there were always female bretonnian knights you chud
>>96105082It's a superheavy in a regular Tank slot :D
>>96105082The malcador wasn't a superheavy in 2nd, it waffles in-between being an actual superheavy or just shooting like one
>>96105070They've flipped to crusading for warhammer fantasy for some reason
>>96105082Malcador isn't a super heavy
>>96104977>nogalesNo games phone fagging autocorrect
REMEMBER:
Everyone who claimed Tartaros not getting power fists was a typo and it would be fixed with day 1 errata/FAQ was thoroughly and utterly BTFO.
Thank you for remembering.
This legacy stupid explanation is super stupid. They directly told us that the old models/units are cool, while the new ones are shit with less options. Example the Contekar terminators that are limited with what comes to the box (chainblades and volkite) and as an elite NL unit cannot take the most iconic NL weapon, the chainglaive. And since it's new we do not have the legacy equivalent with more options. To be honest, this should always be just Atramentar..
>>96105071is this really that special when all sponsons split fire at full BS?
>>96105111Used to be. Then it was made a regular tank, which was a massive nerf that fucked many builds.
>>96105110Yeah they're really desperately grasping straws. It's not a good look. Very funny though.
>>96105097And TOW was handled like absolute shit, to the point of being nearly unplayable until the latest update which dramatically shifted the rules
It suffered every single issue that 3.0 has from:
Arbitrarily changed rules that are simply worse than the previous rules
Cutting unit entries for no reason, and then selling them back to you in journals
Screwing with unit equipment and long standing unit rules at seemingly random
Every single sin 3.0 has committed, TOW was the first to do. Except TOW has the audacity to try to sell you 25 year old models for 2025 prices.
>>96105136didn't read don't care go to the fantasy general you utter sped.
>>96105115It is being fixed in a day 1 digital release, though
>>96105115I claimed they wouldn't get their rules back, they just told us they will get them in the pdf. Sounds like it was my doomer ass what got ate off
>>96105139>you can only compare 30k to TOW in the 30k thread when it's used to suck TOW's cock
>>96105074Shouldโve been lynched sooner desu. Theyโre all no games, or nogames claiming they play 1.0
>>96105154Illiterate too.
>>96105151I can do what I want. You are a nigger and should shut your mouth
>>96105115So you're saying GW didn't make a print error, and Tartaros with fists are still legal. Sounds like there's no problem
I hope this influences 40k too.
What options does the Tartaros kit come with currently? Fists, clawsโฆwhat else?
>>96105136>Cutting unit entries for no reason, and then selling them back to you in journalsSuch as what? The special characters? Because the only things that "had rules but then got rules removed only to come back" are the special characters like galrauch, settra, orion, and the green knight.
>>96105124It probably has Stable, which will let the main cannon and demolisher cannon split fire at full BS. Also gives it any Heavy benefits all the time.
>>96104922I have severe doubts they knew what they were stepping into with removing most of the options.
>>96105194Two power swords, lots of power fists, bits to turn those power fists into single or twin lightning claws, or chainfists.
Really curious about this new tartaros terminator kit now. Sounds like it will have power weapons rather than power fists in it.
What are other cool demon engines I could add to my Alpha Legion experimental weaponry unit? I've got a mhara Ghal, a decimator and a brass scorpion on the way. Are there any other cool models I'm missing?
>>96105070I think the article was released in reaction to the very poor reception of the liber leaks, that much is obvious to everyone
But releasing a list of all the stuff that's going to be in the legacy pdf was the smartest thing they could have done, which is an oddly rational move from GW
We'll have to see how it actually turns out, but if the units inside aren't shit or weirdly overpriced, this could alleviate the biggest community gripes.
Are there going to still be complaints over fundamental rule changes like "no charging from deepstrike"? Yeah, and they're pretty valid.
But if the legacy pdf doesn't shit the bed, I think 3.0 has a chance.
>>96104991"Multiple weeks" seems like a deep lie from a pretty poor rhetorician. Didn't the libers leak about 6-7 days ago?
>>96105188It won't. 40k has gone in such a strange direction with its game design its almost certainly unrecoverable.
>>96105201I can sort-of buy the excuse that they didn't want the libers to be 500 page monstrosities, so a lot of units without plastic kits got pushed to the pdf. And that's solely because 2.0 did pretty much the same thing, except it took even longer to get stuff back like Huscarls.
I generally refrain from giving GW any benefit of the doubt, but I'll wait until the pdf is out before I bother getting any more mad.
>>96105226Khitan? Blood slaughterers? There really arent many besides that
>>96105208the fist bits are also insanely useful as you could utilise them outside of the terminator kit if you wanted, and have a much cleaner look than gw's later attempt at the same kind of thing in the mk6 sarge sprue (the retarded freddy kruger glove)
Wow people have been getting picrel wrong in so many reports. From immunity, to disintigrators can only wound on a 6+, to -1S on overload hits.
>>96105198>It probably has Stable
>>96105195Literally half the chaos roster, for one. Most of it still to come as they milk the invasion of Kislev.
>>96105250I know, used one of the fists when building a centurion. Very glad I still have a good number of them safe inside the bits box.
>>96105208>>96105250What about ranged weaponry?
>>96105251This does make plasma pretty safe on them, though disintegrators are still fucky wucky.
Speaking of getting rules wrong, did we ever actually get to see overload (x)? Warcom got everything else wrong, so I wouldn't be surprised if they got that wrong too.
am i just blind? where is the rules for implacable advance?
>>96105066> the desperate larp of a person who has literally never influenced the world around them in any way whatsoever
>>96105257>Literally half the chaos rosterSkinwolves and the warpfire dragon were never part of the chaos roster, they were monstrous arcanum monsters. Huscarls and berserkers were never a thing. There was never a chosen chariot. The great spawn of chaos was a monster from storm of magic.
So no, half the chaos roster hasnt been taken out to be sold back. Its just been taken out
>>96105007>Vampires are auto loselmfao tourist opinion discarded
>>96105265Combi-bolters, heavy flamers, plasma blasters and reaper autocannons. All the heavy weapons are one per 5 terminators.
>>96105277>So no, half the chaos roster hasnt been taken out to be sold back. Its just been taken outThat's somehow even more depressing.
>>96105281Hilarious how this rule can only be found in the Mechanicum liber. It's not like everybody else uses that rule too or something, lmao.
>>96105266Plasma works like 40k now, you can just not chose the gets hor ptofile
>>96105009>That'd be the best indicator on the future of legacies right?Damn, not a 40kiddie, but a lot of Heresy units used to be legendeded for you but now are outright out, no?
>>96105284>Poles cannot even fathom not taking the bait
>>96105286I know. It is.
The plus side is that chaos is still in a pretty decent spot. Theyre solidly upper mid tier and the warpfire dragon is very fun. The issue is that the army has clearly not been given the same care as some others.
>>96105281>>96105295I remember people saying Overload (x) meant when you rolled a 1, you took (x) amount of hits from your own gun.
But it seems like Overload (x) means if you roll (x) or below on your hit roll, you take 1 hit to yourself. That seems far more reasonable.
>>96105251Im so mad dual twin disintigrators are so bad on them. A whole units kills one of themselves on the first salvo. Overload 2 is way too dangerous.
>>96104436I want Tyrants to shoot 2 krak missiles, not a single S9 one :(
They also lost the anti air shot
>>96105320Still kinda scary, considering that re-rolls are completely gone.
>>96105247I can't because for the options there is a number of ways they could have went with.
>all of the options in the centurion page and the rest of the consuls are condensed into half pages with the equipment and special rules they unlock/get>cameleonine, jump packs, bikes and terminator armour become wargear so they can be like the armoury bits just references you can put in a single page>put options into empty spaces on pagesAlas all of this is a lost art for modern FW.
>>96105271>implacable advance?walking and shooting with heavy weapons without heavy penalty, thought it was in was in the rulebook, i was wrong
>>96105320Mathematically its the same, just less swingy. Does lead to weird situations where you can have a unit hit and also overload onto themselves.
>>96105271Can make volley attacks with any non heavy weapons.
>>96105141>>96105184Spamming out different unit entries for each wargear option instead of just using wargear options perfectly as good as writing rules well in the first place! I don't just want separate unit entries for power armour command, jump command, bike command, jetbike command, cataphractii command, tartaros command and indomitus command, I'd also be happy to have each of those split into power weapon, lightning claw and power fist variant unit entries!
>>96105320Isn't that exactly the same for everything below Overload (7)? Either you have an X/6 chance to suffer 1 overload hit or you have a 1/6 chance suffer X overload hits, either way you'll get X/6 self hits per attacks. The real clarification is sadly you don't get the funny overload hits dropping a blast template on yourself, and clarifying that you can only allocate overload hits to models carrying the weapons that overloaded
>>96105245I mean it can be recovered, every other edition rewrites every unit anyways.
>>96105345>Isn't that exactly the same for everything below Overload (7)?No. Consider a 2W model which fires a shot with an Overload (2) gun. One version of the rule, it kills itself, the other version of the rule, it doesn't. Many would call this a material different.
>>96105009Chinorks went from codex to legends to squatted from 8th-9th-10th
>>96105325>A whole units kills one of themselves on the first salvo.A unit shooting 12 shots will get 4 overloads -> 2.67 will wound -> 1.33 will get through, causing 2 damage
So it's definitely possible to lose 1 guy in a shooting phase, but they need to fail two invuls since they're W3 and heavy disintegrators are D2
That's not amazing, and coupled with them having to stand still to fire two guns I don't think it's a great loadout either, but it's not quite as dangerous.
>>96105335>>96105345>Just less swingyA LOT less swingy. One hit roll can only result in one misfire hit, whereas before you could spike way harder due to volume of fire.
It matters a lot for saturnines in particular because they W3, so a single misfire can never kill one, but two absolutely can.
>>96105343I can understand if they each get different stats or special rules, which the different command squads now do actually have.
>>96105071>the casemate tank can fire at multiple targets better than tanks with turrets wat
>>96105361"yes"
However, it is twice as likely to take self harm damage, which means over a number of turns that damage will be the same. Mathematically the two balance out. Overload(X hits) and overload (X to hit) generate the same number of self hits over time, the former just does it in more "all or nothing" chunks.
>>9610535540k problems started when they changed the ap system and made morale fucking useless.
They've been fucking around trying to balance that for almost 10 years but it's not going to be any better unless they fix that and the 40k rules writers seem perfectly fine with a never ending power creep so if you don't like it now it's not getting better
>>96105226not really a demon but you could steal some of the dark angels AI robots
>>96104941It's seeming like marines are going to be markedly worse than mech so it's possible with a sweaty enough group.
>>96105141oh no, not free rules, whatever will I do
>>96105406Yeah I agree, my point is more:
>Hah, you retards thought it was a typo and would be fixed day 1 are wrong!>It's NOT a typo...and is being fixed day 1. Take THAT!-Is silly.
>>96104487Reminder that the Tarantula was a Legacies unit for all of 2.0 until it got the new kit
>>96105382that AP system only ever worked for fantasy where the amount of armor reduction was just a function of the strength of the attack.
what do you guys think would be the better choice for a footslogging warcrimes unit: 10 intemperors or 5 grave wardens?
>>96105391That's a great idea anon, thanks!
That kind of forbidden tech is exactly what I'm going for, hopefully they don't get any worse ruleswise than they already are
Leaker anon is a god, praise be.
I also want to thank the much reviled influencers: among them PARDO. You all did you part here to get GW back on the right track. Thank you Pardo, thank you all.
>>96105463Traitorbros . . . How will we ever recover?
When will they make an HH game that you can play Orks in?
Are there any good indigo contrast/speed paints?
Pic related
Is it just me or is True Believers actually insane. my 60 word bearer breachers. Immune to any status. Gotta kill all 20 to get me off this objective
>>96105446Leakchad really is the Saul Tarvitz of the playerbase.
>>961054802070. It's on the roadmap.
>>96105382I just want them to take the easy route and copy the 30k rules wholesale.
>>96105382competition is such a pay piggy goldmine they will never go back
>>96105355>kills 20 of you Okay
>>96105573It's funny that the autists of that site took him seriously.
>>96105573lol at the IF/NL tags... would have expected the other way around.
>>96105516Do partially assembled unpainted models count?
>>96104487>Anon summons the GW damage control crew
Would the Necromunda arachni-rig work as a basis for a excindio kitbash? From the little I know about excindio, one of their few defining characteristics are the multiple arms and the ton of weapons all over.
Obviously the pilot here would need to be removed and the legs could probably be replaced with domitar legs.
If anyone has their own excindio please post for inspiration
>>96105623Probably way too small. It's on a 40m base that's like boxnaught size at best
>>96105585He is the most well know gw coom gobbler.
>>96105623Excindio are lobotomized men of iron, do with that what you will. I'd get heavier guns on that.
>>96105597Damn he should stop skipping leg day
>>96105647>Land Raider Phobos goneWould anyone get pissed off if I ran my Phobos as a Proteus?
>>96105573>They won't be added in future editionsYeah just like all those units in the 2.0 legacies document, right?
>>96105647please govna could you spare a pixel or two?
>>96105422They have the same AP system in ToW and it works perfectly fine
The difference is that in ToW a ranged weapons with Ap -1 is a single shot, expensive weapons with 24" range and probably -2 to hit when you start hitting on 4s and Standard Ap -2 melee weapons already make you hit last in most situations and modifiers are very limited
But you obviously can't expect that from the people who think a basic marine troops should have 4 shots at 30" hitting on 2s with Ap-1 and rerolling all hits and wounds if you feel like it
>>96104938>In the lore>In the novels written to sell marines.
>>96105439Grave wardens. Those ar least have some range, as well as more flavours of warcrime.
Interemptors are extreme short range, and only have plasma flamers. Even with the slight nerf they received, no one in their right mind will let those get in range unharmed.
>>96104903Yeah but Outrider plasma is better than regular plasma.
Gotta see how to make TSS plasma work. Are doomers right about normal Plasma Guns (and Plasna Pistols)?
Where are the knight leaks?
>>96105512I think they would manage to fuck it up anyways
>>96104930They uh do have a community manager who handles influencers.
The 2.0 box leak were of someone taking a picture in a group meeting about the new edition. The source of the 2.0 leak is well known in the influencer community and the person responsible no longer gets stuff from gw.
>>96105678You'd be surprised at how many people eat up BL slop
>>96105516Posted last thread exclaiming I would never have to build another but alas I am going to need to build more now that I've been told I can take infinite optae
>"legacies on release!" is now "legacies shortly after release
they're damage controlling
>>96105692Is it someone from mournival?
>>96105656No, the new land raider entry no longer is exclusively for the proteus so you can use the phobos with it too.
>>96105444>>96105623If you're the AL anon, be aware that Alpha Legion can't take the Excindio in 2.0.
It doesn't have the Legion Astartes keyword
>>96105623Stat wise they seem more like something dreadnought sized. That looks too small
>>96105693Imagine reading a whole book of sidebar slop
>>96105685Breaching 5+ seems in line with the nerfs that all other weapons have received.
>>96105498>CL8+1 with no modifications, but if you gain status, you suffer d3 ap2 d1 wounds with no saving throws instead.stun weapons only need to hit you to initiate a CL check.
Pinning (CL) and Panic (LD) weapons need a wound to initiate their checks.
what do you think about the nubreachers anons?
>>96105700Roadmap said july. There are more days in july than just the 26th.
>>96105516Still standing, huffing the copium that they'll get the legacy rules but resigned use them as more plasma if they don't
>>96105727At least they kept the same shield as the resin ones.
>>96102136Huuuuuuh. Smokescreen is retroactive! It doesn't limit the save to any further damage - it specifies ALL damage this phase.
>>96105647poor Pardo loved running Kyr Vhalen
Based G Dubz corrected their mistake. Time to buy the saturnine box
>Veteran Heavy Support
Everyone will have Iron Havocs / Sunkillers light. And the EC/IW will be first among them
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>>96105685No, plasmaguns are 2 shots now. They are still better than before at 12"+.
And the way overload works it's probably better to have it breaching 5+ and 4+
Either way 5 plasma TSS are 90p instead of 135p. Even if they are not as good at close range you can always just take more of them
>>96104435I don't see my Primaris-Alpha Lightning Strike Fighter TM in those lists, so mildly.
Though I doubt it'll make up for all the little options that got stripped out. Like Combi-weapons on Apothecaries/Command Sergeants being gone.
>>96105783My ksons autocannon squad is getting a promotion
>>96105701It's miniac
he was taking pics at an influencer only event
Although I should specify that he didn't do it on purpose, he's just dumb
>>96105737Wrong, you would not "go back to Step 9" for previously resolved Fire Groups.
>>96105783>Iron Havocs / SunkillersIf HSS vests are BS5 and probably with 2W, IW/EC special squads need a more defined niche.
>>96105378>Mathematically the two balance out.Mathematically the two balance out over an infinitely large sample, yes. We do not play the game with infinitely large units and so these rules do not actually come to the same results (or even mathematically expected results) in practice. Next?
>>96105802I remember him, I was thinking of the 2.0 playtest leaks.
>>96105685Plasma pistols can shoot twice if you are charging so there's something. If you aren't they are worse than before but they are also half the points
Those Las rifle section modes sure do look like a lot of parts for a cheap chaff unit you need like 60 of
>>96105834overcharged plasma pistol is a moritats weapon
>>96105516Trying to work out if i need to pull the arms of my Arch Magos or just wait and see, i have a couple of others that can stand in for the time been.
>>96105847All pistols shoot in the shooting and charge phases
Moritat plasma pistols do 6 shots in total
>>96105691Perhaps, but even fucked up it will be better than modern 40k.
>>96105727Cool. But they could have been designed to be compatible with the special weapon packs to not cut the weapon options.
>>96105832in that case, it's the playtesters that came out and said they were being hounded by GW corporate to cut out non box options for 2.0
>>96105870My point is plasma pistols don't shoot twice if you are 'charging.' Only the moritat's plasma pistol shoots 3 times, and only moritats can carry it.
i'm sorry lads, i'm going to buy the new mkii sprues off ebay when the prices tumble
>>96105710BL is written worse than the sidebar blurbs
>>96105907same
sort of
I'm buying them off a mate when he gets the box
>>96105903>My point is plasma pistols don't shoot twice if you are 'charging.'Yes, they do
They are assult weapons
>>96105573I didn't realise the NL guy was trolling until I read his 2nd post.
>>96105733Mech actually lost Legacies units and there's no mention of wargear for them in the aritcle
I think I might be getting up to 8 for nearly free or super cheap since no one I know wants them. How would a tower defense army work and would people be okay with playing against them?
>>96105947I thought you meant charging like powering them up or something, or maybe you confused plasma pistol with overcharged plasma pistol. It's truly never been more over for me.
>>96105623Back to the discord group you go, don't forget to talk about what lipstick your going to buy with the walrus
>>96105999Are you even gonna have room for them on the board? They are stupid huge
>>96105802No miniac took the pictures the day prior to release. The original back of the box photo was from someone else in a zoom meeting
>>96106000I will when I see my reductor artillery tank datasheet.
>>96106000No, because most of these should have been in the Liber books and GW is retarded if they thought otherwise.
>>96106001Isn't sable black?
>>96106011How would you build an excindio then, nigger?
Jump beakies are nice than I thought they would be
>>96106072probably but two browns is more funni
>>96106072Sable is dark brown or brownish grey
>>96106035They could interlock pretty easily. Awkward with infantry nearby. I don't know if they shield is per unit or model.
>>96105831Every six shots the two will balance out.
>>96105955Nobody realized the Night Lords were trolling until Istvaan.
Alpha Legion (490)
-Primary Detachment
[PRIME] Exodus = 165
--Prime Benefit: Combat Veterans
Exodus = 165
[PRIME] Tactical squad, 11 legionaries = 120
--Prime Benefit: Combat Veterans
Rhino = 40
Too memey for a slow grow league?
>>96106109That's a statistical fallacy
>>96106109Only if you look at the average, but the probability distribution is important because taking 2 hits per roll of 1 on 12 shots means you can hit yourself way harder than 1 hit per roll of 1+2 on 12 shots
>>96106107Models without 3"
The legs don't count for measurement, just the turret
>>96104518My primarch wants me to kill phage(t)s with this. ME?
>>96106129Within*
I'm retarded
>>96106072In heraldry sable is black. Because France has a silly language.
>>96104518>Make Phage actually work>Remove destroyers from the LiberGW truly are retarded
If they had made the pistols and chainswords on the melee weapons sprue the opposite hand from the assault squad or a mix in both cases we'd already have destroyers in the game
>>96105907Why are you sorry?
The secondary market doesn't benefit GW
>"CAW CAW"
>*Stabs your face off*
>"CAW"
>>96106181I think as a White Scars player I've been lucky to avoid most of the horseshit unit removals or trait nerfs, all I needed was confirmation that bike HQs were still a thing and that happened. I was happy with the changes golden keshig got, so I wasn't holding my breath for a bike/jetbike command squad but we got those too.
I'll say that I'm back to being ever so slightly on the "cautiously-optimistic" side, as none of the main rules changes really got under my skin unlike the unit removals.
Lol what a fuckin queer. Leakanon really pissed him off.
Also the core rules still suck dick, the wargear removal was just a cherry on top of the shit pile.
>>96106083It's a pretty nice kit. It's also designed so the jump packs can be used with other armour marks. Maybe mk4 or mk5.
>>96106083Waiting for some Legion heads before I unwrap mine
>>96106218He's hilariously thin skinned and short, I know you're fucking reading this pardo.
I FUCKING LOVE CASTRA FERRUMS but fuck I do wish they had kept talons.
>>96106250yeah, getting rid of talons, along with only one slot per detachment and dumpstered stats are way overkill. any one of these would have been sufficient in wrangling dreads on their own, butgeedubs can never just do one balance thing, they always gotta do all of them.
>>96106289Dreads got the fulmentarus treatment from all the bitching these past 3 years
i wish volkite castrafrerrum were a thing again
>>96106250>>96106289I CAN ONLY TAKE 36 DREADNOUGHTS?
BUT LAST EDITION I COULD TAKE 37!
>>96106321You can only take 3
>legacies will save HH
>breathe a sigh of relief
>finally sit down to watch some 3.0 batreps
OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK THIS LOOKS LIKE DOGSHIT!?!?!?
>>96106321You can take way more than 3
>>96106308I wish forge lords and techmarines could take conversion beamers again.
But at least conversion beamers are looking good in 3.0, so I won't complain.
>>96106321>take one praetor and 3 centurions>I can now get SIX whole dreadnoughts! Waow! If my legion has legion-specific dreadnoughts, i can take NINE!!! WOAH!!!
>>96105516i have always been doing that
>>96106331I don't have the rules in front of me, but taking a high command with command cadre and filling every command slot with centurions could yield you 10 dread slots, 11 if you take logistical benefit as well. Not sure if there is a max limit of how many copies of a detachment you can take .
After watching two battle reports, several things stuck out to me:
1. Vehicle rules look to be super goofy... In one game, I saw a predator get several penatrating hits against it, bringing it down to one wound - but it still moved/ fired as if nothing happened. Then I saw a rhino get a glancing wound - had no damage dealt to it, but couldn't move at all. This makes no sense to me.
1.5 In addition, I saw a dreadnought with melta trying to get within range to shoot a vindicator. The vindicator could move full speed backwards and still shoot fine. It was physically impossible for the dreadnought to ever move into range shoot it.
2. The point system seems janky. In the SN game I saw, the Thousand Sons won on the first turn after their rhino dropped a squad of tactical Marines on both objectives (there were only 2, AND they devalued over the game) The higher scoring and the low game turns seem to leave NO room for error in scoring. There doesn't seem to be much room for patience, slow armies, or comebacks. If you get more objectives than your opponent in turn 1, you probably have won the game already. Add to that the formulaic missions that have 0 variety... It seems like it'd get very repetitive.
3. Transports seem like the most important unit in the game.
4. In both games, both Leviathan dreadnoughts got absolutely destroyed. One was absolutely worthless. Low attacks with a new a lower weapon skill PLUS weapons having D2-6 nerfed both their offence and defense at the same time. Idk why someone would spend an entire detachment on one.
5. Four turns suck. Both games ended with both armies having around half, or more, of their armies intact. The game seemed more about tickling your opponents off objectives than a grueling life-or-death battle.
6. Detachments still feel retarded and don't follow Alan Bligh's legion organization fluff
7. HORRIBLE terrain rules
>>96106374That hammer looks a lot nicer when it isn't painted in the garish 'eavy metal style.
>Finally got Sanguinary Guard after years of waiting.
>They get squatted again.
I'm joking of course. I don't play Blood Angels.I play Iron Warriors and Death Guard, so I'm used to getting nothing at all.
>>96106376You're allowed as many auxiliary detachments as you can manage.
>>96106402>suffering in silence
>>96106394you copy pasted this from another thread and no one cared then, why do you think we'd care now?
>>96106374Why doesn't the plasma mount under the fist like the shredder? Can you take both the plasma and shredder on the same fist?
>>96106402>>96106426>What are praetorion command squads with jump packsOn the plus side BA finally got those jump pack veterans they've been begging for.
>>96106373If you want to take more than 9 dreadnoughts at 3k points, you're a dickhead
I'm toying around with list ideas right, but does anyone have any idea of how durable vehicles are now? Obviously almost nobody has gotten any games of 3rd in but I'm wondering if the status effects are a big enough problem that they make vehicles unusable without techmarines/techpriests
>>96106452you can't, but nothing's stopping you
>>96106218Ladies and gentlemen, we found Andrew Dobson.
>>96106459>veteran jump pack unitthis is the best edition ever
>>96106487Techmarines look cheap enough that I would bring one or two even if vehicles are durable enough on their own. Healing two hull points for 50 points is a steal.
>>96106373Every logistics benefit prime slot is another dread too
You can break into double digit dreads no problem
>>96106035I wonder if itโs legal to keep the legs closed cause Iโve heard theyโre collapsible
>>96106499I am so happy that my vanguard veterans models finally have a new home. Gotta do a little conversion work to make them more period accurate and repaint them, but honestly looking forward to it.
>>96106459can't have perdition weapons sadly
>>96106444Because the rules are shit? You should be canceling preorders. You should not be hyped for 3.0, and you should continue playing 2.0 instead, in your LGS, so that it stays alive in LGSes and us poor Americans who don't have game clubs and are forced to play in stores can continue to play 2.0 without being forced by the LGS owner to play 3.0
>>96105727I think they're fine as far as nu-3 goes, helmet's an improvement, and i prefered the boarding shield to the scalloped breecher one but it's what the resin guys had so i don't mind that much
>>96106552terrain zones are honestly better for the game. I've played against shooting armies on planet bowling ball; they are not getting into melee unless they want to
>>96106321It's not about taking more, it's about using them as a squad.
How many dreadnoughts can you shove in an average list? Let's find out!
>praetor -> command cadre -> 2 centurions -> prime benefit: logistical benefit (1 dread) -> unlocks 4 war engine detachments (5 dreads)
>prime centurion -> prime benefit: logistical benefit (6 dreads) -> unlocks 2 war engine detachments (8 dreads)
>centurion -> unlocks 2 war engine detachments (10 dreads)
>centurion -> unlocks 2 war engine detachments (12 dreads)
So our generic max seems to be 12 dreads with 5 centurions and 1 praetor
Wow GW graced us with some of the old units back, get me on that 3 year treadmill!
>>96106510The model has a rule that specifically tell you to ignore the legs. All measurements are done from the turret
>>96106612You never used dreadnoughts as a squad. Dreadnought talons were deployed within coherency, but after that each acted as a unit on its own.
>>96106337You're trying too hard.
>>96106628Fuck yeah lmao. War walkers in heresy
>>96106615>5 centurions and 1 praetorWasted half the points of the army at that point.
>>96106615You can take as many allied detachments as you want and just put a 40p optae with the logistical prime as the HQ for 2 extra dreadnoughts of a different color
>>96104435Guarantee a solid 30-40% of wargear options will still be gone from characters, shit like combi weapons or shotguns on any of the praetors, or legion locked inferno pistols etc
also will be shocked if the moritat can take disintegrator pistols despite literally being the energy weapon pistol guy
>>96106510>keep the legs closedAre you calling the araknea a slut?
>>96106650>Now it's the doomers going 'Wait until the legacies rules are out, then you'll see!'How the turn tables.
>>96106610Honestly if someone has a problem with the new terrain rules it's entirely their fault.
>>96106615Wouldn't it make more narrative sense for dreadnoughts to require techmarines instead of line officers to be deployed??
>>96106633Yeah but I want castra ferrums to be squads to make them a different niche.
>>96105796>They are still better than before at 12"+.Don't be misleading. The Plasma Gun's Overload profile is so BARELY better (+0.05 w) that it could be considered equivalent, and is noticeably worse (-0.35 w) once 2.0 plasma reaches 12" range.
Or 8", for the doomers who will be Evaded 100% of the time.
I don't even mention "Safe" plasma because you need 27 shots to kill a single terminator lmao.
Inb4 "plasma is for light infantry now". No it's not. It's the same argument of "Deathshroud are for killing Tacticals" all over again.
>>96106666Legacies won't save pistolanon or blackshieldsanon
>>96106687Yeah, these units not being able to shoot/charge each other is really great.
>>96106704I don't. Castaferrum are strong, independent dreadnought who need no squad.
>>96105727What is this pic from? Didn't see it in the leaks
>>96106644That's not even 500 points of a 3k army
sellout is live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d65LWJDXnx8
>>96106698Anon, when GW says they care about narrative on warcom, they're lying. What actually happened is they changed the FOC because they could.
Doomers sperging out, just gotta hate for hate's sake. If you guys aint trannies you sure cry like them.
>>96106710You assign the rules to the terrain. There's no reason for a fucking crater not being light terrain, in which case they could see each other.
>>96106008Im glad Moritats wield special versions; it was weird to see an officer-equivalent go to war armed with basically two sidearms.
I hope Destroyers get given Poison 4, Phage (T) pistols, and Moritats get a 3-shot version of those. Plus their Disintegrator pistols.
Disintegration for everyone but not for the guy who had them before?
>>96106719Buy an ad, fuck pardo
>>96106719He needs his brains blown out, or his throat slit, depending on where he lives
>>96106710Anon, you decide what the terrain counts as. If you and your opponent decide that something being light terrain makes more sense you can just do that.
>>96106712But a squad of three gun boxes is fun.
>>96106740Moritats only had access to disintegrator pistols in 2.0. It was just bolt pistols, volkite serpenta, and plasma pistols in 1.0.
Oh and hand flamers/inferno pistols for some legions.
>>96106732>crying about strangers crying
>>96106510Their Legs explicitly aren't counted for LOS so probably.
>>96106732>doomers ignore all the good and obsessed with trannies>copers ignore all the good and obsessed with tranniesI think both you fags are two sides of the same tranny-obsessed coin
>>96106752Anon, that is something the 40k tourists cannot comprehend. They have no capability of independent thought, and need daddy GW to tell them exactly what everything is and how it works, whilst also holding their hand.
>>96106735it's ruins which they chose to be medium or heavy terrain. If you make all terrain on the entire board light cover, then cover saves are 6++ and the entire game is essentially without terrain, as that save means fuckall and if they see one model's pinky finger, they can kill the entire 20 man unit even if 19 are out of sight.
HH3 is a steaming turd of shit.
There's zero reason cover saves should have been linked to total-visibility, they're two systems which should inherently be separate.
>>96106740>officer-equivalentThey're just crazies used as special operatives, not officers leading men.
>>96106770trannies ruined the main discord so yeah we're angry
anyone got links to the mega with the 2.0 pdf rules? i want to print and build a iron warrior list, just got my new 3d printer, i already checked the the pdf sharethread
>>96106770yeah, im thinking about you all the time baby
>>96106757Disintegrators weren't a think in HH1. Only ones who had them were custodes. Hell, Nullificators were either combi-bolters or Toxiferran flamers.
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>The fucking gay Saturine dreadnought will probably get a character before the deredeo
>>96106793Assign the crater as light terrain, and the ruins as seperate medium or heavy terrain.
It really isn't that hard.
3.0 players need to be killed.
>>96106793>it's ruins which they chose to be medium or heavy terrainAnd a crater which they chose to be medium or heavy terrain.
If they decided to do that thats fine, but they cant then complain about the consequences of a scenario they decided should occur. They could have just said "the building is medium terrain while the crater is light terrain or even open ground"
>>96106735It's a building, are you going to consider ruins and buildings as light? Because then you are playing on planet bowling ball.
>>96106337They've hardly had time to acquire system mastery or to build and field new units tuned to the edition. Of course the battlereports will be lacking.
>>96106811it doesn't work that way. Ruins are area terrain, so they'd need a base footprint area, and the exact same problem happens. The only thing your dumbfuck brain is screeching over is that a crater is visible in the middle of the ruins. The actual normal thing in HH3 would just be the ruins sitting on a cardboard L and anything on that L being magically invisible 3" down the L, which is just as ridiculous. There's a reason nobody is pre-ordering this edition, the basic rules are trash and every battle report instantly proves it.
>>96106402DG and IW are the runners up of 3.0 winners:
Deathshroud got a sidegrade that makes them affordable. And their Prime is Eternal Warriors 2. Mega RIP scythes though.
Unsure if rad and toxin bombs will return in the pdf. Mortus poisoners will...but I don't care about AP4 or worse stuff.
As for Iron Warriors, their morale rule is okay, and their hammer is great now. Except Perturabo's โ it is deliberately bad lmao. It is still weird that a character "protected" by the Iron Circle robot bodyguards can still be singled out for a duel lol.
I realize these aren't such good news. I was lying. Sorry, anon.
>>96106705>5 Breaching 4+ (>12")>2w vs MEQ, 1 vs TEQ>10 Breaching 4+ (<12")>4w vs MEQ, 1.65w vs TEQ>10 Breaching 5+ (All ranges)>3w vs MEQ, 2w vs TEQIt's not 'barely' better. It's 50% more damage at more than 12" which is going to be most of the time.
And only 25% worse at less than 12"
Which might be a problem if you did ignore how much fucking cheaper they are than before
You can take 8 plasmaguns for the price of 5 before so those results are actually
>5w vs MEQ, 2.6w vs TEQWhich is significantly more even at less than 12"
I'm not being misleading, you are just bad at math
>>96106844Ruins are only area terrain if you assign them as such. Good riddance, stop being an autistic fuck for a second.
>>96106841>they didn't field units that are good!So plasma tactical support squads should be shit, anon?
>>96106647Do this until you reach the 50% points limit yeah
Even if ALL the wargear is back, the new core rules are still ass.
>>96106705>It's the same argument of "Deathshroud are for killing Tacticals" all over again.But that IS what deathshroud are for, tacticals, despoilers, assauls, veterans at the upper end. Theyre for killing power armor, same as contekar, not for fighting terminators.
Not every terminator is for mashing into other terminators.
Any fags got the thallax rules please
>>96106879Yes! KILL EVERY 3.0 PLAYER YOU SEE ON LAUNCH DAY. SHOOT UP ANY 3.0 EVENTS IN YOUR LOCAL AREA.
make sure this edition DIES on day one. Long live Alan Bligh!!!
>>96106826That's the spirit!
>>961068792.0 core rules were wank, grow up
>>96106885>Not every terminator is for mashing into other terminators.That's Grave Wardens. Deathshroud are hand-picked companions to high ranking officers
>>96106900>4 turns(!!!)>reactions slop everywhere>40kfied terrain, no night fighting>retarded stat bloat>retarded listbuilding
>>96106719>"Games workshop left me out to dry because I'm the face of Heresy"Holy shit how delusional is he
>>96106927And contekar are the atramentar elite, the retinue of high ranking officers who are also there to ensure their loyalty and execute them if needed. Whats your point?
Both terminators are for fighting power armor, both of them are designed for fighting power armor.
>>96106879I like how they're not even pretending they're anything but 40k tourists anymore
>>96106982Yes. Anyone who willingly plays 3.0 is a GW shill and a 10th edition player. KILL THEM!!!
>>96106879I sincerely hope everyone involved in the production of this model got fired
>>96106953>hey remember this thing people got mad about in another game years ago that I saved in my bait folder>all I have to do is post it and people will get mad right? That's how this works, isn't it?Total Polish death
Legacy means GW will remove it all after a few years.
>>96106953>40kfied terrain, no night fightingBut new terrain rules are better than 40k's in literally every way.
>>96105999I was going to suggest you write up a cool scenario where a small outnumbered army tries to prevent a much larger force from taking down their defence battery, but I forgot we 3.0 now, all objectives are just magic circles you stand next to. Oh well.
>>96106856Must've missed a parentheses on the phone lmao. Thanks anon, it was too bad to be real.
>>96107002>reddit filename
>>96106719he's seething while talking directly at mechanid
>>96107017Objective markers in 2.0 worked the same. In 1.0 too, unless you decided to assign some terrain pieces as the objectives in that one mission. Only the time at which you want to stand next to them changed, in some instances.
>>96106166Doesn't stack with radnades anyway so it doesn't really matter.
How does GW screw up the balance of a game with like 1 faction people actually play
What about the core process of rth, rtw, save, fnp has changed?
>>96107002Like they removed garro and rubio right?
>>96107017>>96107037Yeah, warhammer has always had a shitty objective system. Magic circles, like you said. It's not new. Works well for pickup games, I suppose.
Custom narrative scenarios are where you can spice the game up and make it feel like a real battle, with realistic objectives like the "defend/take down the defense battery" and "secure the strong point and hold it against enemy attack for x amount of turns"
Honestly, GW rules aren't good for true wargaming, and haven't been good at that since like, 2nd ed 40k.
>>96107088>>96107017You mean like that titan mission they showed off where a titan tries to destroy the defense bunker? A mission like that?
>>96107064Nothing really. Same order, hit rolls are the same, WS chart still like in 2.0, wound chart is the same, saves and FnP still the same. Snap shots now scale with BS and there's critical hits, but those are additional mechanics on top.
>>96107094Yeah, but that requires taking a fucking titan in a 28mm scale game, which is retarded.
>>96106719>he's selling a #fuckpardo shirt what a colossal faggot
My club is starting a bolt action league in the face of 3.0 lmao.
>>96107094No one plays with titans unless they're actual paypigs with too much money to spend.
>>96107108The 4chan hack + leak this year showed that the Polish mod for /tg/ actively allowed the rage bait spammers to stay up and would ban anyone who reported them (Who were also Poles going by most of their IPs)
He genuinely despised /tg/ and wanted it to die.
>>96107116Just do it with a regular superheavy then, scale some mechanics accordingly.
>>96107129Sounds like someone needs to go use a 3d printer. Or learn to adapt mechanics.
>>96107129>Poorfag seethingLmao, stay mad.
>>96107129Titans showed up plenty in 2.0, warhounds were only 750 in a game where 3k was the standard
>>96107125>my club is going towards the GW of historicalsSave them. I've heard nothing but bad things about Warlord.
>>96107037>Only the entire fundamental basis for the scoring system changed, in every instance we have an example of.ftfy
We've already seen the batreps, progressive scoring is cancer, doubly so in the context of max 4 turn games. There's no room for cool scenarios because there's no room for any tactics beyond bum-rushing the objectives with as much Line as you can muster.
>>96107151On the contrary anon. Iโm going to join them (Italians)
>>96107125>3.0 rules leak>mass community revolt>GW come out with article saying that legacies PDF fixes a lot of the complaints>they do it after almost a week of the community canceling preorders and communities canceling launch eventsThey shot their own game in the dick and only got out first aid after it had already bled to death. It's peak comedy
>>96107149If titans showed up regularly where you play, you must be playing in a fucking country club.
>>96107129I like the new titan rules. If i manage to land a job I might use next years christmas bonus to buy one.
>>96107136Vabbuรฒ non รจ che da noi ci sia tanta scelta per wargames.
>>96107152There were progressive scoring missions in 1.0 and 2.0 too. Not that you would know, since you don't own models, and have never played HH.
>>96107146You are the wargaming equivalent of a dumb Basketball American who spends all his money on branded sneakers, tracksuits, "bling", and faggy cars. We are the equivalent of actual rich people; tasteful, reserved, and tightfisted as fuck.
>>96107136Do you have the moderation board archived posts for that? I wanna sift through them.
>>96107163We actually would do titan + knight only match ups and 28mm titanicus, yeah. Some of my best hobby related memories.
>>96107169>thing existed>thing is the only thing that exist>HURPA DURR I PWN U LULThat's you. That's what you sound like. Like a retard. I've been playing since 2nd and progressive scoring has never been a significant part of 40K or any of its derivatives until now.
>>96107180Kill the rich! Glory to printfags!
>>96107152But there were already missions that had you score as the game went on?
>>96107167Good luck with that anon.
>>96107168meant for
>>96107153 unless you mean the faction in which case there are plenty of interesting directions you can go towards like the desert companies unless they have removed those.
fuckin hell; how long till the tourists get out ?
>>96106719>Literally admits that he knew how bad the libers were going to go over.>Kept shilling it.
>>96107188>Admits to being a newfagIf you haven't played since HH 1.0, you're not part of the true HH community.
>>96107195I certainly wouldn't turn down a titan game with someone who brought prints. Just getting one painted is a big enough shit-test imo.
>>96107153You should play chain of command instead. Much better ruleset for 28mm ww2 combat. Can use the same minis, too (the game is designed for it!). And it just got a 2nd edition, so you can get on the hype train for that.
>>96107170go play historicals and leave this thread then you ass
>>96107215Probably until friday, when 40k will get some new announcements too and they have something to shit fling about in their native board.
>>96107225>player brings painted titan>"printed or bought from GW?">if bought from GW, they're subhuman. Refuse to game with them.>if printed, KNEEL.
>>96107237i guess chorf releasing will have them move ?
>>96107232According to GW, HH is a historical game.
>>96107241In this day and age, I'm just happy to play with people who have fun with their models and aren't going to throw a fit IRL over dumb shit they saw on reddit.
>>96107223If I read the 1.0 books and rules in like 2018, am I welcome? :))
On the topic of titans, I had to stop midway through painting my warlord titan (graduated uni). Since then my skill level has increased a decent amount and I actually have an airbrush.
Should I:
- repaint the model in the same colors with better execution?
- finish what needs to be painted and then tidy up everything I'm not happy with?
- start all over from scratch?
>>96107263Only if you have at least 10k points of models you painted yourself, with conversions, and painted to a proper standard. No contrast paints "battle ready" slop.
>>96107281Bonus question: is the lightning effect on the gun worth keeping?
Okay where's the moritat's stupid overcharged volkite weapon? It's not under volkite in the mechanicum book and there's no volkite section in the marine book
>>96107281Looks to me like you could tidy up what's there without having to completely start all over again. The icons are a bit messy and the airbrush maybe isn't as highlighted but those are fixable.
The thought of starting over on a big model would kill all enthusiasm for me but you may be cut of finer cloth
>>96107281Looks dope already, what needs finishing?
>>96107302All the glow here was done by really suicidal glazing, which is why I'm thinking it would be far better with an actual airbrush.
I think you've got a point about fixing what needs to be fixed first and then seeing how I feel about it. Thanks!
>>96107281i think it could use some work, depends of how much is glued into place.
i should complete mine too
>>96107315Lots of missing trim, a bunch of spots where some trim went onto the panels, missing details on all the mechanical parts, the glyphs are very shaky and missing in some spots, all the guns need a complete overhaul
>>96107331Looks great anon, I'm really looking forward to having the warlord actually completed. I've only used it once (in the most retarded 12k pts test game of all time) and I won't consider it a true first outing until it's painted
When GW said 'we're gonna readd removed wargear in the legacies doc' they were very specific with their examples, termie armour, jump packs, mounts, all the options that in GW speak equals a entirely new unit. They gave no example of actual wargear said unit might equip - i.e. removed weapon options.
How likely is it that legacies will readd champion on bike, champion with jetpack etc, but still be locked to nooptions?
>>96107296>>96107337Oh in the close up it does indeed look a bit less finished. If you do have an airbrush maybe redo the whole thing, easier to keep things consistent that way. Speaking from experience, trying to find all the spots you missed on a model you started painting a long time ago feels like more work than just starting over.
>>96107318I painted a Warlord, Reaver and Warhound in a week, which given I paint slow as shit and badly was a miracle. And they actually look okay.
The cheat mode I used was a gold sharpie for the trim and then a silver one for the trim highlight. The pens get fucked quickly but was way faster than any other method (for me).
Maybe you could try that for your glyphs?
>>96107396Yes, it seems likely that the terminator chaplain will still need to have a crozius as his melee weapon
This is good
>>96107396Just wait like two weeks you nigger. Why speculate when it's this close to release date.
>>96107296>>96107281>repaint the model in the same colors with better execution?I think what you have is perfectly salvageable. Not to imply that it's bad, but that you mostly have mid layers which means you can still shade+highlight a lot which will really make it pop.
>- finish what needs to be painted and then tidy up everything I'm not happy with?I would recommend this, you have a good base to start from, no need to throw it all out.
The runes are a cool idea. If you wanted to clean them up, blend the existing ones into that airbrush highlight color you already did and redo them with a pen. That way they're nice and sharp, plus it's easy on such big surfaces like titan panels.
But even if you want to keep them, you can easily just do another few layers of white on them, then blend them into the panel color. It'll look really clean and be way easier than you might be dreading.
>Bonus question: is the lightning effect on the gun worth keeping?Sure, could even do them in a contrasting color if you wanted to make them pop even more.
Warlords are also big enough to easily hide a battery, so wiring in some actual LED strands and lights is totally doable.
>>96107296No, it looks like the gun is about to explode.
The heat effect being in the barrel rather than the muzzle makes it look like it's malfunctioning.
>>96107297>and there's no volkite section in the marine bookYes there is.
>>96107470>The heat effect being in the barrel rather than the muzzle makes it look like it's malfunctioning.Not innapropriate for a volcano cannon desu
>>96107419No we have to be mad NOW
Have we had the orbital assault vehicle rules leaked at all? I've not seen them when going though the PDFs
>>96107396They know they fucked up very hard this time so 0 unless they want even more people to leave.
>>96107499No a volcano cannon is a stable weapon that just draws loads of power. If anything the titan's reactor would need a heat effect.
>>96107502hi pardo
came here right after you finished your stream, huh?
>>96107163Nta but I live in poor ass Spain and there's plenty of people with chinesium titans here
>>96107002You said the same thing about 2.0
>Saturnine sprues sold already
If I didn't hate 3rd edition I would've bought three.
>>96107600I'm gonna get some to play with. They're dumb, but they'll look good in retro colors I reckon.
>>96107215I'm here to stay
>>96104435>no generic build-a-bear knight errantThey must really hate loyalists.
>>96107622Nah you won't. You'll get bored a week after launch and move on to the next shitstorm, completely forget about everything here.
>>96107535The wording was suspiciously specific. I hope I am wrong, but I really don't buy the shit they're serving about 'we gotta keep the books from being too heavy by not printing some wargear options'.
>>96107554It draws more than just a load of power, it's very easy to overheat a titan with in titanicus, which can have explosive results.
>>96107680Yeah but that's the titan's reactor not the gun.
>>96107680overheat the reactor...
because it needs more power...
to feed the volcano cannon...
I want the Solar auxilia to get more varied infantry choices. Currently we get to pick between basic infantry with lasguns, basic infantry minding rapiers, elite infantry with volkite/flamers/axes and Ogryn.
I know those weirdoes from Saturnine are holding out on us.
>>96107695Considering it can result in the gun exploding, it's not that odd
>>96104874Shut the fuck up nigger. Go suck some more GW cock whore.
>>96107718Go back to discord, troon
>>96107718Have a heart attack over plastic toy soldiers and die, please
Is there a mega? I want to cost up my current army lists
thinking up of an armoured spearhead thing currently, I have an apex detachment a master of armour has access to, but I am unsure on the benefit to give
>Apex Detachment: Armoured Spearhead
>thinking of either 3x armour slots, or 3x heavy transport and 3x armour slots
>all units gain prime advantage
>restrictions: all armour slots must be the same tank as the master of armour (i.e if he's in a predator, only predators can be filled in those slots)
what prime advantage buff should I give? I want something small, not too powerful
scoring and line (1)?
or maybe just a mini version of macrotek like +1HP?
>>96107765Never give tanks scoring. Let them have vanguard instead if you need them to gain VP but never scoring.
What does the firestorm rule / anyone got the page with it on?
>>96107765Prime slot: +1BS and +1 repair if they stay still
Why do they kill drop pod assaults in all their games I NEED to play steel rain.
Pardo if youre reading this: Dont run despoilers into custodes in 3.0 will you? Its fucking retarded and makes for boring battle reports. If someone obviously cant beat an enemy deathstar, play around it rather than just feeding units into the blender.
Also dont bring battle reports where one army has a full armored company of land raiders and the other has the lascannon sponsons on a sicaran as their sole AT
>>96107780I wouldn't.
>>96107786Volley fire at full BS and you can choose to not resolve the charge
>>96104389 (OP)>TQSisters of Silence
>get it? >because gw treats them like a joke!
>>96107803Do you still have to make a check to not pin yourself after failing the charge?
Rob from honest heresy strikes me as a Pardo level shill. His whole โ chill out see itโs fine touch grass โ shill bullshit is cancerous. If we took his advice the PDF would never have been released and GW would have happily axed all the options. Instead of congratulating the community on its victory he called those that got publicly angry overreacting crazies. He might even be worse than pardo.
>>96107822No. There's no downsides
>>96107806That helmet is quite cool. I wish the SoS were allowed to be that cool on the tabletop.
>>96107823Rob was on payroll but got dropped lol
He is trying to get back on
>>96107822No, the charge sequence stops.
>>96107785vanguard seems like a nice alternative
>>96107794nah the master of armour will have +1BS, as well as a 5++ and something to remove status effects? (thats a repair roll right?)
>>96107829Does the target unit not get to volley fire back?
>>96107823Why do you pay any attention to warhammer YTroons to begin with. This is entirely on you for listening to anything they have to say.
>>96107704The guy who designed the SAUX had some ideas
>>96107829>>96107840That's awesome, wow
Are twin bolters FP 4 too? So each outrider is getting 8 shots for 20 points?
>>96107795The way they've built the game being able to deploy tactical squads on every objective turn one would be consistently game winning.
Rather than try and bullshit a solution they just killed the army instead.
>>96107865That is correct. It does have a 12" range limit though, since you need to be able to declare a charge for the volley fire.
>>96107853Yes they do
But volley fire is not usually amazing unless the unit is made for it
>>96107823Idk about Rob but arbitorian's stance gets on my nerves because it usually boils down to "GW is a company and of course they'll do whatever to maximize profits" and I'm like sure I know why they do their shit but that doesn't mean doing it is good or acceptable.
>>96107873why not counter with heavy anti-infantry cover said objectives? Perhaps run a leviathan or contemptor into them? Run them over with a tank?
>>96107865Yes but I mean, why take bolters when you can take plasmaguns
>>96107892Well yeah. The goals of a corp and their customers are not aligned. The business wants to extract as much as possible for as little effort as possible from the consumer. Itโs on consumers to push back and set that line. Which is what happened here.
>>96107860I wish GW would rehire Edgar for the specialist game modelling team. He has a nice vision for the army.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p2rlNfNVcg&ab_channel=leakycheese
>>96107924>Which is what happened here.Ah yes. GW totally announced legacies rules ahead of time, before the leaks, in reaction to the outrage caused by the leaks.
>>96106194the more i learn, the worse this edition gets.
idk, secondary market almost feels like too much participation with this release.
>>96107934Buy an ad Macca, or you might be facing a permaban soon.
>>96107895Drop tac squads would gain 3 vp per objective turn one, even if you kill them all immediately afterwards you'll need vanguard 2 units doing it to make the points back, meaning pulling off a turn one charge with multiple terminator squads.
If your army can't do that you kind of auto lose, it fucks with list building in an unpleasant fashion.
>>96107903M14, 2W and 8 bolter shots is a steal for 20 points
>>96107924That's my point. He says that as if we should stop complaining about it (the topic in question was primaris) because of the reasons why GW did it and because of how long it happened, as if either of those made it good and not the opposite.
>>96107823Yea man, the PDF we knew was coming before there were any leaks was made because of reaction to the leaks. It t
>>96107925I'd rather Edgar do his own stuff.
GW today isn't the same as it was 10, 20 years ago. He seems to be doing pretty good without them.
I wish his stuff wasn't limited edition, but maybe I can comm him some of his designs reposed/reworked. A man can dream.
>>96107957Guess I'll just see this as an opportunity for GW to bring back Planetstrike.
>>96107957It's not that hard to inflict a status on 10 naked tacticals sitting out in the open, which makes them non-scoring
>>96107943>>96107948You guys have no idea who Skomorowski, do you?
Of course not, all you do is shitpost.
>>96107969>this shit againstop shitting up the thread, GW ain't gonna pay you
>>96107972I know he's happier now, I guess I'm just wishing for the world where GW never changed and he never felt the need to leave.
>>96107976It is when you gotta do it with the Intercept reaction, now that reaction points are more limited.
>>96107972What's with the Merry-Go-Round horse codpiece?
>>96107961I was going to say the plasma is better but actually, no
The boltguns are better against marines at least...
Much worse against terminators tho
>>96107996You can pretty reasonably get 3 per turn, and preventing scoring is as good of a use of a reaction point as you can get
>>96108002With vanguard (1) they should be going against line as much as possible anyway
>>96107993How is it shilling faggot if they literally announced it at launch. They just had to post this so you spergs stop shitting in your pants. GO TO THE BATHROOM!
>>96107999The Sol Aux officer is LARPing as a cavalry commander while piloting an exodus suit, the merry go round horse is where he sits.
>>96107996>now that reaction points are more limitedAre they tho? Cuz you start with 2 and get another just by taking a praetor And a free reaction a turn if you get the command squad thing from the supplement.
It doesn't really feel like they are more limited desu
>>96107999It's a dehambulator frame, a space wheelchair/exo-suit.
The wooden horse is very clever, it's a fancy "fake horse", like he's riding a horse, less pitiful than what it actually is, but also refering to the wooden horses for children, the rocking ones.
>>96108012But it exposes your own shooting units to the enemy who can now fire with impunity because you spent all your turn 1 reactions preventing your opponent from winning turn 1. This makes it easier for him to win turn 2, 3 and 4.
>>96108029Last edition you started with 1 in each phase for a total of three, and got at least one extra with a warlord trait any HQ could have. Now you gotta invest in a praetor and/or a 80 point unit of 2 wound tacticals, or worst of all *shudders* play UM.
>>96107704I think doing long-las velitaris would be pretty neat, given the auxilla tercios and such a sort of skirmishing longer ranged weapon formation would be neat
insert Sharpe joke here
>>96108044You know you get reaction points every round right
>>96108089The units you lose because you had to invest all your reaction points into intercept and no longer had any left to return fire or mitigate damage don't come back though.
>>96108104Spending 1 reaction on intercept turn 1 is going to make or break the survival of the entire rest of someone's army
if that were true, masters of descent and assault squads would be auto take in every single army ever
HOLY FUCK!!! I'M GETTING RAPED BY TYPING THIS!!!! WINNER TOPS!!!
Just double checking, did any new solar aux leaks drop other than that one website that overshared a bunch of details while I was asleep?
>>96107873Honestly rhinos are just as bad. Go first and dump Tacs and you are on fast track to victory.
>>96107795Run them as dread claws. Multiple can fly on at once. They have no guns, intercept is checked at table edge, terrain blocks flyers. They are twice the points, but they can even pick up and redeploy.
>>96107795Just play a good version
>>96107795They killed it to sell you the Steel Rain DLC, probably
Wouldn't surprise me if we see a consul that unlocks that kind of detachment in the future
>>96108152You can react with 20 Tacs and not need a Rhino, tho
I suspect they'll remove this reaction in a few months once the 20-blobs get played a few times
>>96108171If Master of Descent wasn't it then it's over. Alvarex Maun was the RG Master of Descent, identical title, and came with a drop pod.
>>96108191Master of decent is very much a jumppack thing in 3.0
>>96108206Exactly, there is no other consul type for mass planetfall. It's over.
Any idea what slot destroyers and assault destroyers will fit under?
>>96108116Its not about spending 1, its about spending 3 and not having enough.
This discussion isn't about current deepstrike and drop pod rules. Its about why drop pod assault was killed.
And drop pod assault was killed to prevent game states were everyone brings 3 drop pods full of tacticals and tries to land on the objectives turn 1 for ~9 free VP.
>>96108228Support or terminator (whatever it's called)
>>96107972edgar became a kike
he made all his physical releases into fomo shitfests and then he serialized all his STLs so he could try to sue the buyer in case the files got leaked onto the internet
>>96106958My point is, if your Elite/Retinue terminator squad isn't good at killing regular terminators, then it shouldn't be an Elite/Retinue; that's just a Heavy Assault in disguise!
>>96108489Deathshroud are elite retinue because theyre really hard to kill, which makes them good bodyguards.
Contekar are elite retinue because the NL first company smokes crack.
>>96107800It boggles my mind when people (especially professional youtubers doing it for a living) don't have a basic conversation in advance about the lists/mission you're intended to play.
All it takes is 'hey anon, I want to bring a mass heavy armour list, are you all good with that?'
>sounds cool, I might need to bring more AT then since I have only 2 lascannonsAnd then you get an infinitely more interesting game instead of boring slop.
>>96108511The funniest thing is that the sicaran list won. It rolled two explodes in a row against land raiders or something
>>96107704i want lascannon hermes and jump pack/grav veletaris.
>>96104487Exactly, and the worst part is you have people like this
>>96104505who are so high on copium its unreal.
Listen im gonna have fun or as much fun as i can, but know whats coming down the pipe, i have seen it before. Enjoy what you anons can while you can, time is a fleeting things, sped it wisely.
Soooโฆ.
Master of Descent in a unit of 9 Thallax all with multi meltasโฆ auto dropping turn 1โฆ. Looks to be a thing.
>>961044051 Centurion with astartes shotgun
56 optae via officer cadre spam with astartes shotguns
Legion skeet meet is next Tuesday.
>>96106851>(you)The Grav-Hammer is great now?
>>96104697To my astonishment Old World has units that they don't even make models for and never have and has suggestions for what to use instead, easy enough to proxy another model but was unthinkable for years for them to actually say that
>>96110684did they throw out the ally matrix?
>>96112056>did they throw out the ally matrix?Yes
>>96110707>officer cadreIt's apex and toed to high command, so you only get 1.
>>96113367Guess the skeet meet is Ultramarines only
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