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>Previous Thread:
>>96093577

>Thread Question:
Assuming the leaks are true, are you planning on starting any of the new armies?

>>96108953 (OP)
>TQ
Assuming I have been living under a rock, what are the "new armies" from the leaks?

>>96108983
>dogs of war
Mixed race dogs as well as plastic kits for tilea and estalia
>Fimir AOI
Monster quest monster mash army
>Cathay fleet
Cathay with no core horses and empire mercenaries.

>>96108983
Some "totes legit" anon wrote up a story that included AoI fmir, and returning metal hobbos. That said it did include the expected Cathay wank (they conquered Marienburg) and had DoW with dwarf and greenskin paymasters so there's enough retardation it just might be true.

>>96109021
Then the answer is probably not, though some things liek the cursed company and Fimir is awesome.
>>96109027
>returning metal hobbos.
As in the chorf hobbos? These guys?
Because these are my second favorite unit sculpts in all of oldhammer.

>>96109027
The empire should lease out marienburg as a treaty port to Cathay for the next 99 years :))

>>96109054
Yes, and because I want it too I'm just going to assume it won't happen becsuse fuck me ill have to buy the wolf riders and sneaky gits

>>96109059
Prehaps Cathay will enforce some "unequal" treaties and do this to marienburg.

>>96109073
I particularly like the wolf riding Khan among those, but it's the basic cutthroats I like the most.

My latest game of WHFB

>>96109117
Those are some strong magnets to keep the minis from sliding off the table

>>96108953 (OP)
>TQ
The Heroquest AoI sounds like pure sovl, definitely gonna buy the Fimir rerelease and some gobbos, maybe the characters if they look good. If we're lucky maybe we'll get a Balefiend or something interesting.

>>96103760
>>96103813
So what's stopping people from buying and proxying armies from other miniature companies to use as their Tilea or Estalia DoW army? Cathay at least has the advantage of no proxies available on the commercial market, leaving only 3D printing with questionable sculps.

>>96109200
nothing. this is what happens when your game is just historical europe with orcs and gryphons on the side.

>>96109200
Personal preferences

>>96109117
Cool widgets, I might need to print some as I get to 2k point games
>>96109200
Given GW track record of soup armies, expect the army to be killed in the next edition or 2. GW loves to do this.
>>96109206
Fuck off perrynigger

>>96108953 (OP)
>TQ
I hate the leak because plastic pikemen/crossbowmen + venator knights is probably as good as we could reasonably expect, and when it inevitably doesn't happen I'll be left heartbroken even though I should've known better.

Also
>Bring back chorf style hobgoblins
>At the same time introduce new chorfs for AoS
GW works in mysterious ways...

>>96109200
I don't want the other models

>>96109200
Very little. In fact, I would encourage it.
There are a ton of cool miniatures out there. There's no reason to pigeonhole yourself unless you really dig the models.

Am I the only one who find 4' too narrow of a playing surface?
The games are almost always fairly predictable in how the general lack of manouverability. Even just an extra foot, I've found, make for a much different and (subjectively) enjoyable.

I play dwarfs, often with little to no artillery and minimal BS shooting, but I like the added space. this gives me and my opponent's cavalry. It makes for much more "strategic" games and allows for longer plays with deployment of things like rangers and miners.

>>96109200
This may blow your mind. But some people enjoy using Warhammer miniatures when playing Warhammer fantasy.

>>96109643
I don’t. Fuck chaos warriors in particular.

>>96109740
>fuck the best plastic core infantry GW ever made
Perrylets outing themselves again, per usual.

>>96109200
Most people are moronic slop-eaters anon, they want the "official" figures since they think you have to play certain games with certain figures as their brains are filled with microplastics.
I'd personally probably end up using my victrix Islamic kits depending of what options DoW actually end up having.
If they are actually coming.

>>96109878
>Most people are moronic slop-eaters anon
Considering people keep unironically posting their God awful Mantic and Perry miniatures while actually trying to brag about them, yeah we know

>>96109874
Not even close

>>96109893
You aren't going to post any counter examples, you're just going to divert with some bait about how awesome and amazing whatever 3rd party slop you worship is. Except you'll never post models. We know the routine.

>>96109643
Some people got bad taste.
The setting is cool but, with the exception of O&G, most ranges kinda suck.

>fimir AOI includes tomb guard
The pieces are coming together…

so what are some good options for harpy models? rebasing AOS-shit?

>>96110128
the degree to which his glass display case is tilting worries me

>>96110140
Yeah, he’s on a GW salary. If it gives he won’t be able to afford to repair the damage.

>>96109558
Perryfag has been complaining about this for ages. Are you perryfag?

>>96110215
I'm not. But if the Perrys were ever to release a plastic kit of dwarfs I'd become one in a heartbeat.

>>96109643
>some people like getting fucked in the ass
I mean sure but it doesn't make you any less of a fag

>>96108953 (OP)
>Assuming the leaks are true
What leaks?

>>96110215
I've been complaining about it. And I'm not Perryfag.
There are different people here, some of which have similar opinions. Try not to be a schizo.

>>96110259
Some of us aren’t poor perryfag. We can afford superior GW sculpts while you have to be resourceful and buy third rate miniatures.

NTA and Still not fooling anyone perryfag.
>>96110267
It's a alleged leak. In 48hrs or less we will know if legit or not.
>>96110136
There's plenty of decent proxies for dirt cheap.

>>96110136
I don't think GW made anything fitting after the old metal/fagcast ones. You'll have to get those or look for some 3p shit, which is mostly coomer junk.

>>96110358
What’s the alleged leak then?

>>96109558
No? I haven't run into a game where board space has proven to be an issue.

>>96110384
>>96109021
>>96109027

>>96110349
>superior GW sculpts
lmao

Had these three thrown into a 3D printing job for free I had commissioned, just got to do the eyes properly and then I’m happy with them.
Had to greenstuff the guy on the right with a messed up face as he was missing half of it. Looking forward to trying out both a master Moulder and a pack master in my 26 giant rat unit for mounted character challenging shenanigans.
My logic is as follows: since mounts won’t get to attack for overkill, I feed them a master Moulder and they win only by +3-+4
Giant rats generate +3 cr. 2 ranks, close order.

With the rule change they won’t benefit from infantry outnumber as only 1-2 models are infantry in the unit correct?

How does that work for the expanded fighting press rule. Does a pack master/mm become able to attack from 3rd rank, since rats fight in 2 ranks, he has fight in extra rank and is involved in press of battle?

What does everyone think?

>>96110349
Is this bait or GW™ brand copium?

>>96110485
>>96110493
I know you may not believe it, but Perry figs are ugly as sin. Most historical models are ugly as sin because they are hand sculpted. That limits what you can do, if you enjoy playing with inferior sculpts, all power to you, but don’t pretend you’re superior for enjoying cave art compared to Renaissance masters.

>>96110536
Oh no, it's retarded.

>>96110558
Those look like they were formed out of putty.

>>96110536

>Ugly as sin

>>96110492
Sorry to intrude on this ritualistic shitposting which happens every thread but to clarify this is the rules interaction I’m wondering about:
ToW
Giant rats are war beasts with fight in extra rank.
Pacmaster/mm are inf. That must always be placed in the rearmost rank. They have fight in extra rank on their weapons.


Does a pack master inside a giant rat unit gain any rules for being an infantry?

Massed ranks: probably, but irrelevant.
Fighting press: I don’t know the answer here, if he does gain the benefit of being infantry he can technically attack from the third rank? Sort of like an off brand spearman.
If he does not gain the benefit he can only use his attack in the 2nd or first rank.

It’s honestly doing my head in. He’s not even good at attacking I just think it’d be neat if he got to hit one thing before his rats gets minced.

>>96110558
>>96110578
Yes Perry. If you can’t see the difference between what you linked and pic then I can’t save you from yourself. Like I said, if you enjoy the uglier/simpler historical model ranges, good for you. You probably save a lot of money buying them. Some of us prefer quality over quantity.

>>96110591
Very complex question and I’m not sure if it’s the right answer but if I were told to rule on it I would let him attack from the third rank like a spearman.

>>96110592
>it just is.... okay?!
Brilliant argument

>>96110608
It’s not an argument. It’s a self evident statement that can be affirmed with anyone with eyes. Your model preferences are stuck 30 years in the past. I understood it back then, but we aren’t limited by that low tech environment anymore.

>>96110591
He should get the fights in extra rank, but I don't think press of battle counts only for infantry units, so he would get to attack in 2nd rank
I could be wrong.

>>96110630
Sorry to be clear
The giant rats are warbeasts first so I don't think being behind them counts
I still could be wrong.

>>96110614
Nah, it's just your stupidity.

>>96110536
>The Sigsister takes off her mask

>>96110605
>>96110630
>>96110645
Thank you for weighing in anons, if gw had a ‘if the majority of the unit contains infantry clause then we’d have a clear way to follow the rule out like
>>96110630
Suggests, only we don’t. Hence the confusion.

>>96110592

I think the Cathay models is a bit too busy with detail honestly, even if it's great on a technical level.

>>96110679
Yeah my instinct is given all packmaster types aren't infantry units but are warbeast units with a infantry character essentially just like adding a character on a foot to a cav unit wouldnt proc press of battle if they were in 3rd rank, but honestly given giant rat packs aren't going to blow up the world of 1x s3 ws3 attack goes through I'm not too worried and would probably be ok if you played it as such.

>>96110690
This reminds me of eel the way the horse flows.
Anyways fuck off perry

>>96108953 (OP)
>TQ
In case this isn't bullshit (big chance it is) I might order them depending on how you can combine them with other armies, as I'm working on a Border Prince-themed army.

>>96109021
>plastic kits for tilea and estalia
I have missed that specific rumour. Either they have a lot of confidence in TOW to think these plastic kits specifically might sell or this might be some exec's passion project (based if it is). In all likelihood this is probably a mixture of fake and gay misinformation plus the conversation turning from "I wonder if the Tilean section of DoW comes back" to "they will release southern realms in plastics!!!"

>>96109200
Half my army is from Warlord's landsknecht range (halbs, gunboys and the greatswords), the other half an assortment of Oldhammer, ex-GW and the Empire Knights and Empire Archers from the modern range, and all of those miniatures work really well combined. Same size and roughly the same style, and I would say that the less ape-esque Warlord minis work better as state troops aesthetically than GW's.

Outside of James' shops (of which there are nine in my entire country) I doubt you'd run into any issues on using proxies, atleast in Europe. The hobby store in my city is associated with GW but most of the hobbyists proxy to some extend for any of the GW games.

I've been wondering whether that brand loyalty insistence is a specific American cultural quirk thanks to their consumerist hellhole, as the only people I've seen insisting that we consoom from GW specifically are Americans.

>>96109643
>>96109889
>>96110215
>>96110349
>>96110358
>>96110536
>>96110592
Look at this loser, he plays with the GW state troops!

I'm not a fan of Perry's sculpts as proxies for Warhammer specifically, but they go far beyond the rank-and-apes that GW is currently selling for Empire. I'd recommend either Warlord's range or one of the smaller metal ranges if you don't mind paying GW premium f(but often still cheaper) or the latter

Bout to varnish these fucks.

Shaman (not pictured) is like 80% done with painting

Minotaurs are built but waiting for square bases to come in stock


How's your army coming along?

>>96110128
no new models for tomb kings? :(

Remember to report perrynigger and do not engage. Don’t respond, don’t mention him. Just report and move on.

>>96110736
>Bout to varnish these fucks.
I have to admit ive never varnished my minis before, but this week I had superglue stuck to my fingers and ripped off paint from a model I was fixing. I suppose varnish would protect, maybe not against superglue, but other friction damages

All this historical talk just makes me wish the empire were cowboys.

>>96110723
>I've been wondering whether that brand loyalty insistence is a specific American cultural quirk thanks to their consumerist hellhole, as the only people I've seen insisting that we consoom from GW specifically are Americans.
You're correct. Although ironically perrynigger is an American (a rare exception to the rule), but so is "fuck off perrynigger" obsessed schizo. Only Americans base their identity around consoomer products and get mad when you use or encourage the use of non-official miniatures. These are the same people who attack soulful old Citadel miniatures in favour of modern CAD designed slop saying they look "ugly"

>>96110744
You are beyond pathetic. Imagine being this obsessed with some random dude online, you post this shit in every thread and you even reported me once like the little faggot bitch you are. You're going to accuse me, yet again, of being "perrynigger" because you are incapable of someone having a different opinion to you.

This is what happens when you've never been touched by a woman.

>>96110741
Probably not. We will know soon.

>>96110756
…I’m going to believe this post was made in intentional irony.

>>96110723
Posting cringe and accusing other of brand loyalty while shilling a brand is peak retardation anon
>You're right about the state troops. And that mixing is fine. Most people I know do the same with some GW models and mix of old and 3rd party/kitbash/etc.
Honestly half my shits recasts, proxies and cheap lots I've nabbed plus a few LGS buys (and admittedly I MTO bought the wargor std Bearer and wardancer command). If the army I face is painted, looks close enough unit wise to the faction, and isn't retarded functionally (like people who try to play empire like a historical and bitch when magic and monsters delete them) then it's fine.
Ofc the shitposter doesn't play games so they don't know this.

>>96110746
That's tragic bro. I varnish everything that I know is 100% done and I'll never touch up again. Basically this just means horde style units like clan rats because FUCK touching up 20 rats whereas if Commander McHeroes sword chips I don't mind touching up

>>96110771
it's the Perry false flag into crashout. Same shit as always from him, he's such a slimeball no wonder his LGS refuses to play with him.

>>96110679
The errata says "units with this rule" under press of battle.
Id argue giant rats do not as a unit have that rule and the pack master joins the unit as an option and would be in a unit without the rule.

Reposting the leaks from last thread because why not:

Sup fa/tg/rogs, I come bearing alleged Friday preview news:

The next two Arcane Journals will be: The War for Westerland, featuring Miao Ying's Jade fleet, Manann's Blades and a fucking weird Fimir centric AoI. The 2nd will be AJ: Dogs of War, with two new plastic kits

The Jade fleet contains every Cathay unit bar sentinels, and loses the elemental winds (Yin and Yang) rule to fight in an extra rank. Jade lancers aren't core, so good luck painting infantry! 30% mercenary allowance, with Empire captains, lvl 2 wizards, state troops, missile state troops, free company, pistoliers, ogres and Manann's Blades all in there. Suspect this list is gonna be how most people play Cathay. There's also an admiral special character (no model shown, guess he's coming later), who's a roguish, swashbuckler type, who's been living in the Old World for years, who lets you reroll misbehaving mercenaries, can give mercs his leadership, and can also force enemy mercs to fail their misbehaving rolls (bribery). Curiously he can also be mounted in a sky lantern.

Lore is that Marienburg is so under pressure with Norse and Fimir raids that Miao Ying has put it under her protection, whether the Marienburgers want it or not.

Full set of new Cathayan items my source didn't know about

Manann's Blades are the old kit, with the arms recast in resin. You can take as many units as you like, and they can be armed with hw&s, halberds or handguns. Come with heavy armour and at 9 points per model, can be bought pistols for the lulz. Greatsword statline with bs4, drilled, plus ambush or vanguard, these guys are basically Royal Marines and what vet state troops should have been. Special choice for Empire, suspect they're gonna see a lot of play, esp with the special character

Running out of text, more in next post

Man this board is going to be so shit tomorrow.

>>96110790
I varnish anything with speed paint or metal parts because we all know metal models fall off the table first; the speed paint side always is the place it lands.

>>96110802

contd

Manann's Blades special character, again no model shown, is the new commander of the Blades after the last one was killed by Fimir, really standard Empire general statline (but only Ld 9, guess he predates the FAQ), hw&s and heavy armour, no ward, but if he's general makes Manann's Blades core.

Fimir list is weird as sin. No new models, just the three basic great weapon guys and the Fimirach Noble, the background is that a coven of Chaos Sorcerers has been causing all sorts of weird shit to pop up around Marienburg to help out the orc raids. The contents of this list feels like a random who's who of other armies' core infantry. It is as follows:

Characters:
Chaos Sorcerers and Sorcerer Lords, who are allowed to use the Lore of Necromancy (you need one on Necromancy if you want to use undead units.)
Fimir Noble (basically a hero level guy)

Core:
Fimir, bog standard monstrous infantry, who can ambush from terrain.
Orc Boyz
Goblins (regular, not Night)
Skeletons
'Marsh Zombies' the motherfucking plastic Zombies kit from the 1990s has been brought back. Hold on to your hats, this list only gets random and weirder

Special:
Chaos Warriors
Tomb Guard, on the premise that there were a bunch on display in a museum somewhere in Marienburg

Rare:
Monster called a 'Gargoyle of Bagra'. Massive gargoyles from a building in Marienburg brought to life by the Chaos Sorcerors. Meaty stats and -1 to wound. Can be given wings and various other upgrades. Would guess there isn't a kit coming, because apparently the unit entry tells you to just pick a large model and paint it like its made out of stone.

List gives most units ambush and vanguard, and gives the Sorcerors a new signature spell that lets them summon the undead stuff. Utterly random, I can't see it doing well competitively, and feels like something someone with ADHD would collect.

Rest of the book's full of cool lore, 3 linked scenarios, and cityfight rules that nobody will ever use.

DoW next post

>>96110808

Contd with Dogs of War

My source hasn't seen the book, so what he shared was a bit less clear.

The book will be called Dogs of War, and contains a Grand Army list. The two new plastic kits contain both Tilean and Estalian options, and an army can be flavoured either way.

The kits are a pike/crossbowman box, and a 'venator' knight box. They're gorgeous models to the standard of Cathay, and contains the option for either plumed Tilean helmets and floppy hats, or classic Morion Conquistador helms for the Estalians.

The pike/crossbowmen are in heavy armour, but alas the crossbowmen do not have pavise shields like the old metal RoR.

Galloper guns, and birdmen are returning in resin. There's a new resin Paymaster and cart, and Estalian and Tilean foot and horse heroes.

The Dogs of War list is weird apparently. It's a mishmash of old units as under previous editions, but you unlock different stuff based on what race your general and paymaster are, similar to the militia list in HH I guess.

The paymaster is basically a BSB+, and while not mandatory you'd be crazy not to take one. Rides a cart with a load of extra wounds that can be sat in a block of infantry, 18" BSB range, lets you pick the result if you fail a misbehaving merc test (spoiler: all DoW units are mercs), and the entire army hate the unit that kills him.

As for the build a bear list component, the following races are available to generals, and most of them are available to paymasters: Tilean, Estalian, Empire, Dwarf, High Elf, Ogre, Orc, HOBGOBLIN

Yep, Hobgoblins are back. Apparently they're the Chaos Dwarf sculpts not the Asian looking DoW ones though. Metal, not resin. Can only be taken with a Hobgoblin general apparently, and lock out a lot of other options.

Some of the general options can't be taken as Paymasters (guessing orc?), and a lot of them can't be combined (a greenskin general with a dwarf paymaster I'm guessing).

Wow, out of room, more to come

>>96110808
If dragons can still be taken, this list is dead to me. I hope there’s still more to this though.

>>96110820

More Dogs of War

The choice of who is your general or paymaster unlocks various different unit options and restricts others. For example, a dwarf general paymaster moves basic mercenary dwarfs from special to core, and allows you to take longbeards and dwarf cannons in special, while preventing you from taking any orcs in your list at all.

There's no benefit for stacking a general and paymaster of the same race, I think the idea is to encourage people to lean into the cosmopolitan nature of DoW armies.

Tileans unlock galloper guns and birdmen. Estalians don't unlock any new units, but make your Estalian units better, and let you give the front rank of a pike unit crossbows.

Hilariously High Elf generals unlock nothing. I think the intonation's supposed to be 'you get to take a dragon, now fuck off'.

Forgot to them in the list in the last post, but Norse generals are also a thing. Don't know what they unlock, but presumably Marauders/Berserkers?

Giants are in the list as a rare choice.

If there are special characters I forgot to ask about them.

I hope this is of interest. Source: my dad is Matt Ward

>>96110820
>metal units of.hobbos
>3pts a model
Yeah this is retarded

>>96110793
>perrynigger needs to insult his own nationality because uhhh.. uhhh... ?????

>>96110807
Unless your using oil based paints you should be varnishing everything

>>96110802
These leaks are fanfic

>>96110839
He’s not exactly mentally well

>>96110723
>>96110820
How hard would it be for GW to make brand new Estalia and Tilea sculps that look better than Warlord Game's Pike & Shotte range?

>>96110839
Perry is pretty pathetic, a man who posts on multiple boards replying to himself just hoping for engagement would sell his own wife for attention.
>>96110845
I generally do but those 2 situations those models Immediately varnish where as other like plastic stuff I'll wait for the whole squad so I'm "sure" I'm done of that makes sense.

>>96110820
>>96110825
So what is suppose to be the DoW's main damage dealing units or Death Star? Empire, Dwarfs, and Cathay all got big cannons and other war machines.

>>96110904
If, big if, these are real I'm getting imperial agent vibes of the army isn't meant to be competitve but just a random list to get people playing other systems (like IA do for killteam) on Board a bit, before they kill the army a la HHG apparently did for all their kitbashes.

>>96110904

>>96110904
You're replying to a post that already mentions them having 2 types of cannons

>>96110904
Don't they have a Dragon?

>>96110921
Oh I see, if you for example have Dwarf paymaster, u can take Dwarf Cannons. So just get an Empire Paymaster for Great Cannons.

>Fimir Army of Infamy
what does that even mean?
They're an alternative army build for Warriors of Chaos?
For Orcs and Goblins?
An Army of Infamy outside of an army's journal?

What?

>>96110947
Warhammer quest style mishmash of units.

>>96110947
>what does that even mean?
>>96110808

>>96110820
>The kits are a pike/crossbowman box
>The pike/crossbowmen are in heavy armour

So how many ranks gets to fight when the enemy charges the pike square?

>>96110808

Fimir are based beyond belief and I hope this list is real and they come back and rape and impregnate every named female character in the lore. They should rape and impregnate orcs and goblins too, Tolkien cribbing bitches need to be taken down a peg, and what better way to do it than carrying what should have been GW's premier monster race's coom babies up their butts.

Actually fuck it, just just make them Runequest Broo, and capable of raping and impregnating anything. Men, rocks, trees, even dwarfs. Especially dwarfs, have them rape the fuck out of dwarfs and leave them with big swollen preggo bellies and lactating tits, as punishment for being such boring to play against gunline bitches.

Once they've become a proven success in TOW, GW should give Fimir the treatment Skaven were never worthy of, and introduce them to 40k. 40k's a shit, sanitised setting because it doesn't have enough rape in it. The Space Fimir would make a point of raiding Space Marine fortress monasteries to turn into breeding farms for bigger primaris fimir, with even more potent seed. Cato Sicarius, he'd get it multiple times in his little blue bussy, uppity little bitch.

Tangential, does Bad Dragon or a similar company do a good formorian or equivalent inspired dildo?

>>96110736
It’s been a busy week so only have my foot heroes painted, need to prime more stuff now it’s cured

>>96110966
one normal rank, one extra rank from the errata, one rank thanks to spears, one rank thanks to the fact spears are extra long
or 3 if the front rank is crossbows

>>96110958
>>96110962
That doesn't explain anything
they release a book with a big title:
"Army of Infamy: Fimir"?
A free online .pdf (lol, as if)?
How does that make sense, an Army of Infamy has to be attached to a different Grand Army.

>>96110994
>they release a book with a big title:
>>96110802
>The War for Westerland, featuring Miao Ying's Jade fleet, Manann's Blades and a fucking weird Fimir centric AoI

>>96110994
It's part of the " War for Westerland" Arcane Journal.

>>96111010
An Army of Infamy for what faction exactly?

>>96111014
Ravening hordes

>>96110994
The guy literally wrote it all out do you have adhd?

>>96110994
its pretty obvious this is being pushed, true or partially or completely faked, by some anons which makes me even less think this is real.

>>96110690
I feel you. The Fireforge berbers are just easier to work with and convert for Warhammer than the Victrix guys for example, even if the latter are way crisper.

>>96110875
Those are all metal and expensive, you're better off getting the plastic generic infantry and if you want to the hats from blisters.

>>96111036

I'm a fan of fireforge, haven't had the chance to work with the Berbers yet, but they look like solid kits.

According to discord the "leaks" here are largely unsupported with only Cathay part AJ and another journal to be leaked, per some offical source " it's 10% right."
So I'm betting while the shitpost is a good laugh some DoW stuff is comming back.

>>96111199
Oh and given how everyone loves the idea of a heroquest army someday that shitpost about "museum tomb guard" led by fmir could happen. That would be epic.

>>96110803
Tommow?
It's shit today!

>>96110978

Heheheheh, what if Cathay are currently in Westerland, becacause Yin-Yin crashed her ship there and went missing, and now she's been found by fimir, and thousands of Shearl are running a train on her, fomorian cum seeping out of her every orifice while she lays an endless amount of Fimir-Dragon eggs. Silly Yin-Yin.

>>96111199
In any other instances I'd have called it fake and gay, 2 plastic kits for dogs of war, one of which is a quadruple kit (tilean pikes, estalian pikes, tilean crossbows, estalian crossbows), is an utterly wild and unbelievable amount of support for that faction, let alone that plus resin heroes plus a fun sounding journal full of options.

But the heroquest army of infamy is just so inconceivably odd and bold that I can't imagine your run of the mill fake rumormonger could have come up with it.

And he didn't even present it as such, I had to point out the units he was listing were direct stand ins for the heroquest box, if it's a fake rumor it's the best performance I've seen in a while.

>>96111390
>2 plastic kits for dogs of war, one of which is a quadruple kit (tilean pikes, estalian pikes, tilean crossbows, estalian crossbows), is an utterly wild and unbelievable amount of support for that faction

One of those plastic kits would require the same amount or work as a new Blood Bowl team or Necromunda gang/specialist box, and would sell in greater numbers. I don't see what's so implausible.

If the rumour is fake, the guy's a genius and should be put in charge of TOW.

>>96111390

The Heroquest AoI weirdly plausible, given that Heroquest and RAPE are all fimir are known for, and if the FW models are coming back GW are not gonna want to make them about rape.

>>96111406
None of those box come with 30 heads every 10 dudes
>10 "reman" helmets for the tilean pikemen
>10 floppy hats for the tilean crossbows
>10 conquistador helmets for the estalian versions

>>96111414

Jade warriors comes with 21. Maybe the Tilean an heads are a mix of helmets and hats, or you get separate faces you glue a morion or Tilean helmet to?

Cathay was a mistake and doesn't fit the feel and aesthetic of Warhammer Fantasy.
They're a Mary Sue faction ruled by demigods who can do no wrong and a country with no inner strife and is just flawless and perfect

>>96111442
Correct. Cathay is for r*ddit using slop consoomers.

>>96111442
Demigod dragon waifus that put out > your bullshit.

>>96111442

It will fit WFB's aesthetic once Miao Yings' been fitted with multiple fimir cocks pumping primeval ooze into every hole

>>96111442
Agreed, luckily the few cracks in that depiction from total war and from 2 (two) sentences in the journal are more than enough for my extensive headcanon to fit snugly and correct that presentation.

>>96111455
Common cathayan dragon fate.

>>96109286
Yeah this is how I feel about that Fimir/Heroquest AoI, I never knew I wanted it until now and I’m going to be heartbroken when it turns out to be untrue. Even though I know consciously it is a load of bollocks, part of me deep down is still hoping that it will be.

>>96110978
Unfathomably based post

>>96109200
>So what's stopping people from buying and proxying armies from other miniature companies to use as their Tilea or Estalia DoW army?
Nothing. Do it.

>>96111014
Probably officially be under Warriors of chaos I suppose.

>>96111014
You don't need to be in Ravening Hordes to have an AOI, Catshittay showed us that.

the Fimir rape thing is incredibly easy to fix.

>The ritual where the human woman is used to spawn more Fimir is not sexual in nature.

>She gets sacrificed on an altar and then the Fimir are summoned forth from the raw mud of the bog.

>Young maiden are more valuable and more Fimir are born

there, 35 years of "controversy" fixed in one minute.

>>96111455
Marienburg raptanda est

>>96111513
>the Fimir rape thing is incredibly easy to fix.
No need to fix what's not broken. Let's go bog rapers!

>>96111491

Yep, godspeed probably fake rumourmonger, you beautiful bastard

In all likelyhood we'll probably get:

A second Cathay AJ with the Jade Fleet AoI in, a huge list of broken magic items and some narrative stuff.

A half baked Southern Realms Arcane Journal with a handful of the more generic metal DoW human RoR rereleased, minus their mercenary captains because they don't exist yet. Will contain rules for a bare bones DoW list and all the mercenary units will be bad.

Eventual War in Westerland AJ next year, with rules for a Marienburg AoI that'll let you take mercenaries as core per the one in the back of the 6th ed Empire book, and just be a better version of the DoW list, plus rules for Manan's Blades, who will be Prince Ulther's Imperial Dwarfs tier bad, and fimir who will be a unit of worse minotaurs in a beastman army.

>>96111522
Mastercard won't like this

>>96111513
Yeah, that's how I would do it too, especially if they can do the ritual with pretty much any race or gender but end up preferring the blood of 'innocents' such as women and children because they produce the best results in the rituals (virgin sacrifices archetype and all that), so they still have a reason to act as their boogeymen reputation instead of simply capturing soldiers after battles, which they could also do.

The rape can be done for fun, frustration or spite, including fimir matriarch on human male rape.

>>96111523
Yeah it’s honestly weird that they just haven’t really done anything cool with the AoIs, even the wolves of the sea which is basically the Norsca army still lets you take a fucking daemon prince when it’s supposed to be the low power level army.

>>96111390

If they're going to do Dogs of War/Southern realms, it only stands to reason they'd at least get a box of plastic pikes when (as everyone else in this thread's pointed out) so many other companies produce plastic pikes that everyone would just buy them over 25 y/o metal models

>>96111529
We'll rape them too!

Southern Realms/Dogs of War arcane journal is more bonkers of an idea than the Fimir army list.

> New kits right after Cathay
> Old resin and metal kits modified to not include the named character (and they need to do this with every single one)

The Fimir army list at the end of the day is the re-release of two old kits + 50 pages of slop sold in a hardcover 100€ book - the DoW re-release would mean actual hard work for the manufacturers

>>96111531

Wolves of the Sea and Bretonnian Exiles are the coolest AoIs by a mile, and nobody would have believed you if you'd said they were coming out before GW announced them, which is why I'm choosing to have faith in the DoW and Heroquest AoI rumours.

Agree that daemon princes, chaos lords and dragon ogres in Wolves in the Sea is bullshit mind you

Yes but when do they release a Baalrukh army list with Gargoyle infantry named "Daemons of Chaos Undivided"? I'm waiting

>>96111544

The Goblin Hewer doesn't come with Malakai Makaisson anymore. Individual metal minis are pretty easy to take out of the box

>>96111533
There are a lot of things that would make an absurd amount of sense for GW to do, and yet GW has more often than not, if not always, ended up missing the opportunity to focus on something else. And competing with historicals is not even the most pressing of them, shitposting aside, they are a long faded stain on their radar, lets be honest.

The laziest possibility, and so the one I consider the most likely, is that they would simply return back into production the old metal models at an unreasonable pricetag for the collectors too dumb to buy recasts, and simply expect from anyone who wants to make a full army to dish out the money for 500pts of metal infantry, or use mostly the plastic units that dogs of war can likely borrow from the other plastic ranges.

>>96111547
Idk I think basically everyone called a Norsca AoI for warriors of chaos, and yeah wolves of the sea is the Norsca list for old world.

>>96111544
>Southern Realms
How many times do I have to tell you spaniards and total tubers secondaries that "southern realms" is not a thing, they are Dogs of War, and they're 95% tileans, estalians have less of a presence than arabyans, and the one arabyan regiment of renown is led by a marienburger.

>>96111522
>CAM ON BOGGERS
*BANG BANG*
>RAEP SOME FACKIN MAIDENS
*BANG BANG*

>>96111553
I'm not 100% sold
imagine Voland's Venators
the rumor now says they will be sold as "Venators" as default DoW cavalry.

So first of all this is new lore (Venators as a common widespread Tilean regiment of cavalry), then they have to remove Voland of course.
And the "V" on the shield changes meaning from "Voland" to just "Venator".

Now though, the unit is missing a champion.

See? There's many little hindrances and problems for doing this.

>these are all easily fixable
yes, for a person with a brain, but a corporation like GW where they need to have a series of 10 meetings to decide the crest of the new Bretonnian foot knights is too brainless and convoluted to surpass all these (admittedly small and inane) issues.
They'd have to contact their storytelling sector, their modeling sector to make sure the word "Voland" isn't etched on any helmet, their gameplay sector to decide whether the unit will still have a champion/what to do, their marketing sector because now this is a weird kit with missing pieces and they have to decide a new price, and so on.
All of this for a whimsical creative project of the Specialist Games team, the mistreated cinderella of GW.

This seems too simple and too good to be true.
A true corporate mongoloid juggernaut like GW can't pull this off with ease.

>>96111578
So you don't believe in the leak, but you still believe Dogs of War will be released.
Weird inbetween hill to die on.

>>96111578
>the one arabyan regiment of renown is led by a marienburger.

>>96111591
I would believe the leak because the heroquest army is so absurd I cannot imagine anyone coming up with that
I wouldn't believe the leak because I don't expect gw to make 2 extremely high value plastic kits for dogs of war
I do believe the old dogs of war at the very least are coming because we had valrak pointing towards them already
And my final judgement is clouded by the fact I do want this stuff to be true
Does that make sense?

>>96111595
wrong reference

If you have the warrantees, and are into it, it'd be really easy to convert victrix gallic fanatics into wardancers.

>>96111585

The rumour states there will be a new plastic kit for Venators, not a remaster of Volland's guys

>>96111608
>have the heads for it
What the fuck was that auto correct?

>>96111600
Dubs of truth

>>96111604
I got the reference, this painting was just what came in my head of a civilised man leading the brutes.

>>96111619
>civilised

You will never have a comfy japanese gaming room

>>96111637

noice desu~

>>96111637
Needs more terrain.

>>96111513
Fix ?

either you fix the Fimir or the Fimir fux you

>>96111686
Don't threaten me with a good time.

>>96111619
>the brutes
now that's gratuitous, marienburgers are normal people like yu and ming

is this an okay list for a friendly 1000 points game?

++ Characters [382 pts] ++
Shugengan Lord [245 pts]
(Celestial blade, Iron talons, Heavy armour, Wizard [Level 2 Wizard], Lore of Yang, General, Great Spirit Longma, Learned Feng Shi Bo, Battle Magic)

Gate Master [137 pts]
(Hand weapon, Celestial blade, Heavy armour, Shield, Cathayan Warhorse, Alchemist's Mask)

++ Core Units [488 pts] ++
15 Jade Warriors [138 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Heavy armour, Jade Officer (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

15 Jade Warriors [132 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Heavy armour, Jade Officer (champion), Standard bearer)

10 Jade Lancers [218 pts]
(Hand weapons, Cathayan lances, Shields, Heavy armour, Barding, Jade Lancer Officer (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

++ Special Units [130 pts] ++
Cathayan Grand Cannon [130 pts]
(Grand cannon, Hand weapons, Light armour)

>>96111714
Longma balls

>>96111637
that table looks inconvenient

>>96111714
Looks 100% fine but fair warning, the lancers and jade infantry hit like cotton balls.

>>96111721
yeah, but we usually dont bring killy special units/monster in our 1000 points games, since we like the aesthetic of infantry/cavalry units, so I didnt want to play sentinel or the lantern.

>>96111764
Good man. Well, enjoy your games and let us know how it goes.

potentially good news for tow from aos:

their saurus warriors are now getting renamed saurus guards
the only real reason why gw might want to do this is to avoid confusion on their webstore and stocks with another product called saurus warriors, as in the old kit returning for the old world alongside the legacy faction

the alternative is that they renamed them because they don't plan on doing a kit for elite saurus (temple) guards, but if that was the case they could have simply removed the guards from the armybook and kept the warriors as warriors, plus it's not a given the new elite unit was going to be called saurus guards, as the saurus cavalry, chameleon skinks and salamander were all given new names with their new kits anyway

the great plan moves!

>>96111871
Old lizards being recycled for tow is not good news in my book. Those saurus were their most hideous iteration and let's not even touch the tpoic of saurus cav. I'd rather they release proper temple guard for AoS so we can use that alongside the much improved current range.

>>96111876
The net positives I'm looking forward to are not really the old miniatures, I have as many as I could ever need already, but rather the update of their rules to a more playable standard and the return of the other legacy factions as well.

I won't disdain a new resin character though, the specialist team has been good with lizards and affines so far.

>>96111906
That's fair, I'm not really up to date ragarding their viability in tow, so new rules might be a welcome addition.

>>96111876
>the shit that don't rank up unless you make your unit a deranged jigsaw puzzle
Lol.

>>96111932
>being wrong every single time

>>96111637
>tfw live in Tokyo so should consider myself lucky having a "hobby room" of 5m2 doubling as office

>>96111932
I already had to jigsaw the old units on 25mm because if you don't pay attention during assembly the tails get in the way of some models.

>>96111964
Storm vermin were a pain in the ass to rank up back then. Now with upscaled bases that has become much less of an issue.

>>96111871
I think they know where their sales lay.

>>96111964
>shows exactly how I'm right
Ah, it never gets old.

>>96112011
>bad taste
>bad eyesight
that explains it

>>96111637
That is one beautiful room, anon.

>>96111871
I personally think that of any army that could get reintroduced, the Lizardmen are the ones who need to get Core units updated the most.
Skinks are fine, but the Saurus Warriors and Temple Guard are old and derby, and it's always been a faction where I feel like the models haven't lived up to the artwork.

Gonna be running a Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay campaign my friends using the Odenhaller Contract (but for 4e) that leads into Slaughter in Spittlefield. Any advice?

>>96111637
I am honestly almost jelly of that dude. He won at life. Kids, wife, house and still all the time and money for his nerd hobbies.

so, I have this small dwarf army. Is this something playable in the current old world edition of the game?

what would be an addition that should be added to this?

>>96112089
the models are dated indded but they have a certain charm in their derpyness, the aos ones look too furry to me

>>96112089
>saurus warriors are old and derpy

they just got a refresh like a year ago. what?

>>96108953 (OP)
Whaddya think bros, I'm painting some Albino Guard

>>96112157

That's a pretty reasonably sized army anon, and yes, it's perfectly playable. Download Forces of Fantasy and the Dwarf AJ and start mucking around with lists.

The steam golems are even useable as mercenary ogres (rules in the Empire and Orc AJs), or as characters on shieldbearers

You may want to grab some gyrocopters and artillery if you're thinking about expanding

If you're playing against people who care about base sizes, you'll want to rebase the army or invest in some adapters (almost everything's base got bigger with TOW)

Here's some Fimir hanging out with orcs (or just about to rape them), adds some more credence to that crazy AoI rumour

>>96111871
I think it's pretty likely that the old world is getting the 6th edition saurus warriors and temple guard, while yeah aos is getting their basic warriors renamed to guard, and maybe getting a new temple guard equivalent. Keeping in mind their aos naming scheme (hunters of huanchi, spawn of chotec, jaws of itzl...) it'll porbably be like wardens of quetzl or something.

As for the rest of the lizard range, AoS still uses quite a bit of old fantasy kits, but most of those have even older version that they could bring back (eg the carnosaur)

there haven't really been any lizard leaks/rumours on the AoS side of things, but i'm not so familiar when it comes to tow rumours.

>Tfw nothing gw actually release for tow will be anywhere near as cool as “Fimir Heroquest army” and now I have to live with that disappointment

Why even live

>>96112266
Because you got wound up by a forced meme, the poster is pushing this hard. There's nothing stopping you from making your scenario with the exact same models and set up, so when tomorrow rolls around and everyone realizes the obvious hoax is a hoax you can be the change you want to see.

>>96112089
the updated versions are going to be in aos, it would be a complete waste to make even more updated versions for the old world, the priorities simply lie elsewhere for this system, and I say this as a diehard lizard fan who agrees the 6th ed plastics are the worst.

If tow wanted to be VERY fancy it could reintroduce all the old versions too rather than just the later 6th-7th ed models, the fluff for lizardmen is perfect for having spawnings with slightly different looks, some beast redesigns are so different they could stand in for entirely new units or equipment options as well, and there are ideas in the backdrop that could be turned into new profiles
>5th ed plastic skinks with bows
>6th ed plastic skinks with pipes/javs
>6th ed plastic saurus warriors (for the normal unit profile)
>5th ed plastic saurus warriors (for the blessed spawning version, MTO run only)
>7th ed plastic temple guards (for the normal unit profile)
>5th ed metal temple guards (for the blessed spawning version, MTO run only)
>6th ed metal temple guards (exclusively for kroak's personal not!undead guards, MTO run only)
>5th ed tichi huichi raiders (mercenary unit, stays on the store)
>6th ed plastic cold ones (for the normal unit profile)
>6th ed half-metal cold ones (for the blessed spawning version, MTO run only)
>5th ed slann on palanquin (for 4th-5th generation slann profile, MTO run only)
>6th ed slann on floating throne (for the 2nd-3rd generation slann profile)
>6th ed lord kroak (staying special character)
>5th ed metal salamander (for a new 'ancient salamander' unit with a long ranged artillery spit)
>6th ed metal salamander (for the normal unit with a short ranged flamethrower spit)

dread saurian as a treat from forge world
coatl as convertible unit for the wilder army of infamy that also reintroduces amazons as mercenaries
arcanodon as convertible unit for the sotek/southlands centric army of infamy that also reintroduces tehenahuin

>>96112256
Thanks for the input. I had no idea about base size change. But since it is rank and file with movement trays, as long as I increase the size of the movement trays, right?

>>96112242
Yes, I was referring to the old Saurus Warrior models, not the new AoS ones.

>>96112363
I doubt we'll be getting updated sauruses too, it's going to be really weird if both aos and tow start getting updated sculpts for essentially the same unit. Seems pretty clear from warriors of chaos that tow is where they'll keep selling old kits while they update/reimagine stuff for aos.

>>96112288
Fimir don’t have rules though and I’m too retarded to make my own

>>96112363
They may not be as blessed as you think.

>>96112466
The rules for chaos ogres are fine for them.

>>96112260
That is art from a time when Orcs were associated with Chaos, which isn't the case anymore

>>96112249
Looking good, but you probably shouldn't have built your house at a 90° angle.

>>96112509
It's not that they were associated with chaos, it's that they could be associated with chaos.

That's changed a little bit but I'm pretty sure they don't care too much about temporary alliances or acting as mercenaries.

Fimirs were cool, original and one of GW first monsters. Why didn't they make it in warhammer or Blood Bowl as a whole faction?

>>96112590
GW made a game called ,Chaos Marauders and it was mostly about Orcs rather than norscans or other Chaos tribes

>>96112622
They’re not really interesting

Has anyone watched the Warhammer + Cathay video they released yesterday?
It apparently has a bunch of new lore and art in it

>>96112382

You can, lots of people have done this.

>>96112249
Beautiful anon, are those the last Ed plastic stormvermin or the new aos ones?

I’m going to post some pics of a game I just had, skaven v woodelves 1000p

The lists:
Welves:
Tree singer level 2- the new lore
Branchwraith lvl 2- gw and battle magic

8 x dryads with nymph
9x dryads with nymph
5 gladeguard with champ and swiftshiver
5 deepwood with bodkins and champ
3 tree kin
Tree man

Mine:
Chief with halberd
Chief bsb with war banner halberd
Lvl2 engineer with ruby ring battle magic.

10 giant rats- 1 packmaster
25 giant rats-1 Moulder
32 clanrats fc shields. Light armour
6 jezzails
5 gutter runners
Doomwheel

Welves took t1.

>>96112622
The story and failure of fimir is by now infamous and has been examined in depth
https://web.archive.org/web/20220703062327/https://awesomeliesblog.wordpress.com/2020/07/05/the-wfrp-story-xxxiii-wacky-races/

long story short: they were sculpted and priced as monstrous creatures the size of ogres, except they were meant to be the size of orcs and were given stats and point costs accordingly to that, the result was an overpriced army to collect that was shit to play for what one would expect of them

pic tangentially related if you read the full story in the link

>>96112780
Deployment.
I’ll ruin suspense and say the horned rat was on my side this time lads.
Bullshittery included:
Rattling shooting at deepwood and panicking deepwood off the map t1
Gutter runners mincing almosf 2 entire units of dryads with fireball engineer support on one.
(They stand and shot from behind a fence charging dryads, 6 poisons- all of them wounded 6 dead dryads, they then hit faster and beheaded the rest)
This panicked the spellsinger and her lone guy, causing them to flee infront of a unit.

And the craziest part of it all. Doomwheel then charged into a forest, did one shitty impact and shockingly the engineer pilot took the last wound off the spellsinger with a double 6, threw a warpstone wrench?

Anyway my opponent conceded t4 with the treekin on 2/3 models(due to great doomwheel zzzaappping) treeman down 2wounds and branchwraith unit depleted to half strength.

I had lost:
A jezzails
3 giant rats from shooting 5 from friendly fire(zzappp)

>>96112831
End game state

>>96112825
Yeah, the rape part was pretty much non existent in their failure, especially as back then basically all the evil armies were just as rapey (especially Beastmen).

>>96112753
It generally takes a few days for the pirated videos to appear on the channels I check, I'll post it when I see it.

>>96112851
cheers anon

>>96112838
Most of the factions would likely rape upon defeating their enemies, except for maybe lizardmen and the undead. Gobin Slayer firmly cemented the concept of rapist goblins in my mind, for instance. To the druchii, rape is an everyday occurrence, skaven fight amongst themselves for breeding privilege, so they're not going to miss out on a free ride like that. Fimir have the additional benefit of being able to procreate with other species.

This probably going to be a stupid question but I come to ask anyways. I've been wanting to build a vampire counts army using some SBG minis I have from aos, but wanting to keep them useable for both games. How much of an issue would you have if you played a battle with someone and the bases on a unit was larger than they should be? In reference to some like a vargheist, which in one is a 50mm round and the other a 40x40 square.

>>96112888
>goblin slayer

>>96112890
As long as your're not going to participate in tournaments, nobody really cares about these details. Just get some adapters/trays and you should be good to go.

>>96112890
Larger bases are generally a problem for you, the controlling player, as it means less of your dudes can be in direct contact of the enemy and more of the enemy's dudes can be in direct contact with you, so most people won't generally make it a problem if your bases are slightly larger

now, when it comes to reasonable players, you might simply ignore the exact physical base contact and calculate it mathematically for what would be normal of the models had the correct base (for example: 3 vargheists on 40mm bases will be in direct contact with 7 25mm models or 6 30mm models, otherwise suck it up for the sake of making the game smoother, approximate your round bases into equivalent squares and get that 1 or 2 extra attacks against your round based models, it's not going to ruin games.

for the most part you'll be good because skeletons use a 25mm square base in tow and a 25mm round base in aos, so you can use a movement tray and leave them on rounds and have no issues.

>>96112890
Base your models on WHFB squares, use adapters if you're really adamant on playing games against towddlers and aosissies.

>>96113045
this
roundoids and 25mm-troons should be bullied relentlessly

>>96112837
Nice table and batrep anon, even if my Welves got toasted.

>>96112686
Why are you extrapolating background information from the title of a board game rather than the Realms of Chaos books that went into it in detail?

>>96113232
Nta but I'll add hasbro owns heroquest now. I'm sure that makes GW treat non heroquest lore as canon.

>>96113254
Was HeroQuest ever canon to Warhammer Fantasy?
Advanced Heroquest was, but that's a GW-produced game fully with no other company involved.

>>96112888
>skaven fight amongst themselves for breeding privilege, so they're not going to miss out on a free ride like that
the thing for skaven is that considering what the normal skaven female looks like and just how few skaven actually get to breed, it's very likely that the vast majority of the skaven either don't develop any sexual instinct until they are in the context where they could breed, and/or have zero reason to consider the females of other races attractive (except perhaps ogres and giants?), and/or are, due to sheer numbers, predominantly and near-obligated homosexual that rape each other and captives to establish dominance.

>>96113291
I don't know but certainly all references to heroquest were largely gone by 4th edition. Knowing how greedy both companies are I doubt we will see any overlap.

>>96112965
Yeah this is how we do it, I have a bunch of old 20mm based guys and a few have AoS stuff still based so we just math it. Over 25 games this year and 0 problems. It's amazing how autism can be overcome by actually playing the game with the intent of having fun.

>>96112753
Watched it but nothing really new there in terms of art and lore. Most of it was about how the army was designed and its inspirations.

>>96109117
> Fully painted
> Decent board
This pleases me

>>96110128
Is that an office or are even British homes that depressing

finally a photo of the second best model in the cathay release

>>96110349
The cope is too much.
Imagine looking at the monkey faces of the empire soldiers and thinking 'yes, this is a good sculpt.'

>>96110592
Anyone else annoyed that the halberds and lances don't look like dagger axes or traditional Chinese glaives

tfw email a recaster and havent heard from them in a week

>>96110978
...

>>96113642
>Anyone else annoyed that the halberds and lances don't look like
>dagger axes
>Chinese glaives
no because I don't know what those even look like

>>96113642
they reserved the glaives for heroes and the sentinel, while the jade warriors do have stuff similar to dagger axes

>>96111637
A LOT of sigmar on the shelf there JAP.

>>96110349
kek
paypigs have reached the point where they openly gloat about being paypigs
grim

>>96111714
Yeah that's fine

>>96111871
This is fucking huge

>>96113653
They seem to move at their own pace.
My guy is Ukrainian so I'm just happy he's Alive when he gives the tracking

>>96110978

>>96108953 (OP)
You can now get several of the formerly OOP Bloodmoon Minis "Bog Raiders" from RPGelements/5th Field minis.
https://www.rpgelements.com/search.asp?pg=1&stext=bog+raider&sprice=&stype=&scat=

Fimir bros can't stop winning.

>>96112837
I love the princess mononoke reference on the boars

I know that that leak was fake but I'm tempted to write up my own AoI for it, it's really activated my almonds

Bros...

if the Bog army is actually real...
if these fucking retard clowns at GW are ACTUALLY making up fun stuff for the Old World...

I dare say it.
I dare think it.
I dare dream.

By the year of our Lord 2050, we WILL have a playable Warhammer Fishmen (Menfish) army list.

>>96112753
> Watching warslop+
Surely you jest

>>96113882
I'd rather have snakemen

>>96113938
This. I wanna see crazy ass Ind cobra women.

>>96113668
Half of them look like shit Swiss guard weapons (which were ripped off Turks).
Lazy and disgusting

>>96113938
>more Chaos slop

>>96113930
watching is fine but i would never pay for it

What about them?
Retcon the retcon, they're back on their feet hopping around and chopping limbs with their Eunuch slaves

I want them back just for the seething it would produce
It might finally drive the secondaries out of this hobby

>>96113778
Yeah they are very suitable treekin and I love fighting against them. I felt like a real villian sending volleys of jezzail shot their way though.
>>96113220
Thanks anon, thinking back now the problem was the wood elves failed every single panic test that game. The forest spirits I imagine were not impressed.

>>96113984
The weird part about them is that the earliest incarnations are 100% negroid and then they slowly whiten up.
The latest art they did of them had caucasoid/semitic long noses and thin lips, and then "Jungle Halflings" appear in a White Dwarf and they look like this

>>96113984
and why would GW want fewer customers?

>>96113984
>t.

>>96114110
They wouldn't
I just want less secondaries and leftoids

>>96114213
>game made by leftists in the first place

>>96113882
of course in aos

>>96113882
Give me this

>>96114292
They flopped there. Who thought evil bald eyeless elves was a good idea for a figure range? It's just fantasy dark Eldar, which are already sci-fi dark elves, which already exist in the range.

>>96114257
the right winger reserves the right to be shocked and appalled every time he discovers every single artist and designer they ever loved since childhood was always a leftist.
Until proven otherwise, they'll argue with you that Bryan Ansell and Halliwell and the Perries were based white supremacists, and then they'll be absolutely surprised when it turns out they weren't.

>>96114347
I mean, I've seen people tell me that road to el dorado was a movie about how good the Spanish empire conquest of the americas was. Some people are just gone.

A new, less retarded sounding, rumor swirling around is some WoC refresh/MTO to be announced tomorrow.

>>96114711
I'd rather be wrong about the funny rapist heroquest army than some made to order.

They should release Rhalkas with a different name

what would be a good color for the cathay dragon/longma if my armies main color scheme is a forest green and gold? i was initially going to do green dragons with wood antlers, but green on green is blending together too much

>>96113966
I never understood what was actually gained by making the Slann not be the Old Ones. It just made the world lamer.

Dark elves at 1k what do you think

>Sorceress lvl 2
>Master, great weapon

>10 crossbowmen
>5 dark riders
>15 black guard
>15 executioners

>Bolt thrower

>>96114867
bright yellow looks good with green and gold

>>96114897
looks perfectly reasonable, anon

>>96114869
Blues also work

>>96114869
it makes the old ones sound more mysterious, but they were never not just the old slann

>>96108953 (OP)
Why and when do Bretonnian knights become Questing knights?

The fluff always seems to imply that it's very faithful, zealous knights who do the Chivalric equivalent of becoming a monk in order to possibly find the Grail.

But so much of the art for questing knights depicts them as these dirty, crazed hobos (which is awesome).

Could a shamed knight take the questing vow instead of being exiled? Like the knightly equivalent of the slayer's vow? That seems like a really cool way to characterize some of them, especially a hero or lord.

>>96114869
People forget the contrivance of the Lizardmen and Slann.

They vanished after 3rd edition, which was the "everything and the kitchen sink" edition with Balrogs and half-orcs and sea elves, and back then lizardmen were equivalent to orcs, barbaric troglodytes sometimes enslaved to Dark Elves, while the Slann lived in Lustria with their human slaves.

Then (1992) 4th edition comes and the game world is identical to what people know today (Ulthuan in the middle, Norsca, Zharr Naggrund, Nagashizzar) everything is in place, every race is what you expect, this edition is when Warhammer truly took shape and Priestly went to town squatting everything he didn't like, from Mind Flayers (Brain Drainers/Mind Eaters) to Gargoyles.
Here's the kicker:
there are no Lizardmen and no Slann in 4th edition. And this is when the world of Warhammer truly took shape.
This is after 40k Rogue Trader (1987) and before 40k Second Edition (1993).

...then the world of Warhammer 40k is fleshed out with Second Edition in 1993, and here we have, at last, Warhammer Fantasy 5th edition, in 1996: HERE the Lizardmen come back with the Slann.

In other words: in a FUNDAMENTAL HISTORICAL MOMENT for the creation of the Warhammer multiverse (4th edition Fantasy Battles and 2nd edition 40k) the Lizardmen and the Slann were squatted - they came back later.

>>96114941
>Why and when do Bretonnian knights become Questing knights?
There are two reasons; as part of your religion becoming a grail knight means you have the lady's blessing and also get powerful. Every questing knight have those two motivations in different %s
>But so much of the art for questing knights depicts them as these dirty, crazed hobos (which is awesome).
Cause they live like hobos always on the road or moving through the wilds
>Could a shamed knight take the questing vow instead of being exiled?
Yes
>Like the knightly equivalent of the slayer's vow?
Questing knigts are the human version of slayers except they don't wanna die if possible

>>96114971
The Warhammer World formalized under WFRP, not 4th FB. WFRP has always been the truest line of Warhammer, with FB being it's retarded inbred cousin.

>>96114992
Can a Grail Knight be a scumbag, or are they all moral and noble people? You have tales of villainous Bretonnia lords, but how could they exist in a society that also produces Grail Knights who have to be virtuous? Part of virtue is the expulsion of evil.

>>96115074
WFRP until 4e never gave a shit about any part of the setting that wasn't the Empire or the Border Princes, so whatever was going on with Lustrai or Elves didn't matter to WFRP writers since they didn't care.

>>96115095
Coincidentally, Lustria and Elves are the worst parts of the setting. Makes you think.

>>96114941
They look dirty and crazy because part of their questing vow is they can never sleep in the same place twice. They give up everything they own (or give it to someone to hold in trust if they are a Duke's heir or the King's heir), forsake the lance, and go on crazy vision quests until they get a chance to sip from the Gaemr girl simp cup. Most go their entire lives and don't see it.

>>96115089
They have to be virtuous, as so much as the religion of the Lady defines virtue, because if they aren't they won't survive their sip from the Grail. Doesn't mean they are nice to peasants or shit like that though, or that they all have a vow of poverty (Dukes and the King certainly don't)

>>96115109
Lustria is based tho.
Elves suck (White Lions, DE, and WE are ok tho)

>>96115074
Guess what asshat, I just checked.
There was zero development in WFRP (1986) - the Lizardmen are troglodytes and the Slann are nowhere to be seen in the book (half-squatted already). What's there is copypasted from 3rd edition WFB.

The Lizardmen/Slann combo we know today?
ALL OF IT comes from 5th FB, invented in the year of our Lord 1996 by Rick Priestly with zero involvement from the WFRP people

>>96115165
There was meant to be a Lustria book for WFRP1e, but it got cancelled when GW stopped caring about RPGS, along with books like Realm of Sorcery and Tetsubo.
pic is a piece of art that was commissioned for that WFRP book

>>96115089
The lady can see your heart if you're a scumbag she's not gonna appear to you ever

>>96109117
>>96109235
>>96113595
>>96109196

Holy shit this fag stole my picture.

>>96115197
again: the cancelling of the book lends credence to the idea that GW spent a period of time, from 1991 (or even earlier) to 1996, completely undecided on what to do with the Lizardmen and most of all the Slann.

I just realized this period of time is when they had to decide which regiments would get plastic kits and which wouldn't - that was the age of the first plastic minis for Games Workshop, and the Lizardmen/Slann weren't there.

>>96115239
I want to believe you but you gotta post like the models from the pic or something to back it up.

>>96115270
i wouldn't put the cancelling of the book to GW changing whims of Lizardmen, though several creatives involved in the book would agree with your assessment,t but more GW generally push towards wargaming and lack of money or interest in projects like WFPR or Warhammer books when they did the buyout in the late 80s/early 90s a lot od those publishing releases can be pinned on Bryan Ansell buying out the company.
Dice Man covers some of this to extent

>>96108953 (OP)
Say, does the wfrp have any famous starting towns? Like Phandalin, Hommlet or Sandpoint/Otari?

How are you preparing for the reveals tomorrow. I am trying to internalize the worst case scenario so that at worst I’ll have expected it. That being them showing only the second Cathay AJ and nothing else for fantasy.

>>96115334
UBERSREIK is the setting of the 4e Starter Set and many of its adventures.

>>96115335
I except nothing. I haven't played a game since May and still have 5 armies to finish. They can reveal whatever they want, I will not buy anything until December

>>96115335
worst case we get something to meme on for months

>>96115343
Sounds familiar, I have to look that up, but thanks anon

>>96115335
Roadmap. I will be pissed if there is no new roadmap.

>>96115334
Ubersreik and Delberz are the two that spring most to mind

>>96115335
I'm hope maxxing a Tomb Kings release

>>96115335
worst case scenario will just be a Cover reveal for the AJ with the Jade Fleet AoI in it and nothing else.

>>96115387
me too. come on, hierotitan...

>>96115335
Listen, tomorrow I'll see a bunch of Chaos Dwarfs.
There is no fucking way I'll be disappointed.
Anything else is gravy

>>96115394
It's not strictly speaking impossible, but they don't really do cover reveals for stuff on their big streams. They leave that for WarCom if its just rules. There's gotta be at least one model if they have TOW included in the announcements.

>>96115401
Plastic Ushabti, New Character with an AoI, Hierotitan, Khemric Titan (the giant Scarab) are the most likely (in that order).

>Mioa Ying
>Frydal the Chainmaker
>Empress Magritta
>Ishaya Vess
>Every single named female character of note in the narrative thus far is now in the vicinity of Marrienburg

You never doubted the plan, did you anon?

>>96115335
I was curious but now that fake leak has me excited for something that I consciously know is fake but still hold out hope in my heart of hearts, so I can only await the inevitable shattering of said heart.

>>96115462
Expect nothing and you may be extremely positively surprised. Learned that during the Attila total war release.

>>96115441

IMO Fimir should get upgraded to Runequest Broo levels of rape and be able to impregnate whatever they like

>>96115468
How do I do this anon, how do I destroy the hope in my soul

Anyone feel like 2025 has made everyone way more angry about wargames than before?

How tf did gw make chaos so fucking boring to play in tow

>>96115138
>>96114992
>>96114941
I kind of like that questing knights are somewhat analogous to the wuxia style characters who vow to achieve enlightenment or die trying, and then murder hobo all around China.

I guess that just wraps them back around to the original Arthurian legends since that's pretty much exactly what the knights of the round table did, but still. Convergent evolution.

>>96115271
here you go, thats my Azhag recast

>>96115569
It's not just you. It's hard to discuss anything on /tg/ because someone will always take offense to whatever you dare enjoy.
It used to be that people who actually painted their models would be left alone from the shit throwing, but now the tribalism has gotten so bad that doing anything except bitterly raging at every single aspect of the hobby is seen as cuck behavior.

>>96115569
>>96115666
Half the negativity in these threads comes from perrynigger. He’s pathologically hostile most of the time.

>>96114257
Yeah, lefties in the 1980s, who look like TND skinheads compared to the modern left

>>96115582
I miss their lores of magic compared to what they had in 8th, and I prefer the old gaze of the gods, but do you have any complaints in particular?

>>96115652
Jfc, first off nice model. 2nd, this is how manipulative the perryfag is. But...I do standby the widget comment I really should print some out.
>>96115666
Eh it's cause TOW has some buzz so all the secondaries come out and misery baiters here to stir shit. Once tomorrow comes assuming it's not a huge reveal (likely 1 new army, some legacy factions teased, and the Cathay AJ teased) things will slow down. Until then outside the occasional rules/model power spat I just engage minimally with shitposters and read others batreps and models.

>>96115569
At some point, not liking something switched from "I won't buy these models" to "Anyone who likes something I don't is ontologically evil and an inferior person"

This has infected all walks of life (especially on the internet), but it's particularly pathetic when applied to low stakes hobbies like toy soldiers and wargames.

>>96115703
Thanks, I put lots of work into him. I used to mainly paint contrast but went over to normal colors from two thin coats.

>>96115902
Nice conversion

>>96115334
Pigbarter

I'd like anew Chaos Warrior kit that was a pose-able as the Blood Warriors. TOW Chaos Warriors are all a bit boxy looking, and AoS ones are all too monopose.

>>96116035
Now that everything is on slightly bigger bases, having poseability is more feasible. Before, monopose was almost mandatory because the unit just wouldn't fit together.

That being said, if you're willing to clip and repose arms/wrists, the new chaos warrior/chosen kits aren't bad.

>>96115902
The sheer amount of tow conversions I've seen using this one dragon is staggering

>>96113882
and then Saharduin in 40k!

>>96116035
if they're posable they don't have capes
if they don't have capes they look bad

>>96115479
>male dwarf gets raped by a monster
He will be the slayerest Slayer to ever slay

>>96116557
would a dwarf prefer to get raped or get shaved, if he could choose?

>>96116578
The shame of either is unironically very comparable in their culture, but rape probably more so

>>96116607
I wonder of the two are related
after all by getting raped you're made to act as a woman, and by getting your beard cut you're made to look like a woman

but perhaps since there's a watered down version of having to bend onself for others in the humiliating trouser legs ritual, while there's no such watered down version of having to cut your beard, the dwarfs would find sodomy more acceptable than getting your beard removed.

>>96116666
I don't think getting overpowered and assfucked is less dishonorable to them than getting overpowered and shaved. I suppose the assfucking would be easier to hide at least.

>>96110592
The fuck is wrong with that weapon

>>96116666
The enormous disparity in numbers between dwarf women and dwarf men would inevitably lead to widespread homosexuality amongst the dwarfs, of course they would rather take it up the ass if they're going to do so from time to time for fun anyway.

>>96116700
It has exaggerated wings, in normal spears the wings can serve to hook onto enemy knights to drag them off their steeds or to block a spear from sliding way too deep into a target and get stuck, making one-use spears ended up preferable in other instances.

>>96116666
Quads of faggotry

when the fuck is the preyton re-releasing? i've been wanting it for months now but they never put it out

>>96116578
The dwarf equivalent to man or bear.

>>96116706
I always thought this would lead to brothers all marrying the same woman as well, like the Pandavas.

>>96116292
Just greenstuff capes on afterward. You're not a hobbylet, are you?

>>96117102
What do you mean re-releasing? It was explicitly announced to be recalled or cancelled or whatever. Do you not read warcom?

>>96116700
Insane how you’ll reply to the same post multiple times over a day pretending to be different people and don’t see how obvious you are. Don’t you have some ugly ass historical figures to assemble?

>>96117102
>>96117309
You are such a nigger and your ugly ass historical sculpts look like dogshit.

>>96117309
I don't read them all, no. Which article was it announced in? Disappointed if true
>>96117316
meds

>>96117316
You're talking to two different anons and at least one of them (me) is white

Why does Loec become a juggalo? I don't know the best sources for stuff on the Elven pantheon.

>>96117409
I'm just trolling brother but don't have the heart to double down,

James is just being particularly shit about getting it in stores and in stock

>>96117252
That's literally canon.
Even in their mythology, Grungni and Grimnir are brothers both married to Valaya (considering they were all born from the earth at the same time, doesn't that make Valaya their sister? Eh, that's pretty standard for gods I guess).

>>96115386
Very nice map

>>96116035
>>96116292
You can make cloaks separate bits or only attach them to the back half of the chest like in some 40k marine kits. They won't be draped over the shoulders anymore, but the arms and torso will be fully posable.

>>96115095
>Realm of the ice Queen
>Knights of the Grail
>Night's Dark Masters
>Children of the Horned Rat
>Tome of Corruption (Norsca)
>Karak Azgal (to some extent)

Yeah, only cared about the Empire and the Border Princes until 4th ed arrived...

>>96117652
The VC one is for all intents in purposes an Empire book, it focuses on Sylvania with very little space given to non-imperial bloodlines.

>>96117733
All right, so that leaves five others.

Best case scenario dogs of war with plastic kits and a roadmap. Worst case Ontario Cathay arcane journal 2 and nothing else.

So more rumors that I've seen a few times
>no legacy factions till 2026
>southern realms aka DoW released Q1 2026 with it being basically Tilea/estalia, and 2 AoI that are more traditional DoW mix.mic.
>a few armies pitched, no one knows if any took: hobgobbos, kingdoms of Ind, empire subfactions for the civil war, southern kingdoms (araby?), drake army (all dragons) and north army (norsca). Basically all these were proposed and may have even been leaked to gauge interest.
Now we wait to see if this or wishlist anon is more right

>>96117922
>kingdom of Ind
If Jeets flood into my form of escapism too I’m out. I won’t suffer Indians in every part of my life.

>>96117922
>>southern realms aka DoW released Q1 2026 with it being basically Tilea/estalia, and 2 AoI that are more traditional DoW mix.mic.
Sick.
>hobgobbos
Could be an interesting foil to Cathay since Ogres are still in AoS tranny jail. I personally think they're the lamest greenskins by far.
>kingdoms of Ind
Before Araby or Kislev? No fucking way. I'd love to see them eventually though.
>empire subfactions for the civil war
Ulricans and rereleases of the different knightly orders would be sick as fuck.
>southern kingdoms (araby?)
I hope it's this.
>drake army (all dragons)
Gay as fuck. How would that even work? 3 models on the table? This seems more like a narrative game you play once for lulz and never again, like that one Bretonnia dragon minigame.
>and north army (norsca)
No one wants this + the 28mm Rus/Viking market is saturated with better models than nu-GW can shit out.

TLDR I hope it's Araby, the rest sound fucking gay. I'd also like Kislev or Nippon, but the former won't happen until Putler pulls his BWC out of Ukraine and I don't see them releasing Nippon right after Cathay.

>>96118101
I also hope when they eventually release Ind that it's literally a 1:1 ripoff of the Kushan from Berserk.

>you don’t understand, I NEED more human factions
I’m going to fucking hate tow more and more for turning this into imperial guard versus imperial guard.

>>96118177
As they say in my homeland: "¡Pendejo!".

>>96118177
>infinity Chaos/Beastmen factions, your imagination is the limit, you could even make Fishmen, Snakemen, Fimir, Mousillon Bretonnians, corrupted Empire, etc
>a dozen greenskin factions
>3 elf factions
>2 dorf factions
>lizardmen
>ratmen
>ogres

Meanwhile, humans
>Bretonnia
>Empire
>Cathay
AIEEEEEEEEEEE IT'S HFY JUST LIKE IMPERIAL GUARD, SAVE ME JES GOODWIN

>>96118262
legacy factions dont count

>>96118262
Chaos are just humans
Ogres are just humans
Vampire counts are just humans
Dow are just humans
Empire are just humans
Bretonians are French
Cathay are a lie
Vampire coast are humans
Tomb kings are boring as sin, so they’re humans

>>96118271
Wrong, Cathay is asshoe

>>96118271
Ogres are love and life you fucking faggot.

>>96118271
>ogres and chaos are human
Even half of DoW aren't human.

>>96118375
>>96118375
>>96118375
>>96118375
New

>>96118315
Ogres just barely cross the threshold of being a fantastical race. Them being so adaptable to other cultures are what makes them so human coded.
Also, literally only humans matter for chaos. It’s cope pretending like uh…fimir? And uh…what, beastmen? Really count as a notable subdivision of chaos. Even then, beastmen, trimming the chaos aspect of it off, are back to just being furry humans.
Oh, and dow literally make humans the epi center of the faction.

>>96118392
Fuck off perry, ogres are a complete species with several types from the common ogres, gorger, yeti, and bigger ones. Then the chaos daemon not mattering. Yeah, definetly not a warhammer player posted this

>>96117922
those are not rumors at all.

Sorry the noob questions.
I liked WHFB as a kid an have decided to get back into it.
I gather Warhammer Old World is the new version? Best way to get started?
Also could anyone recommend a recast site?

>>96115687
>the modern left
Let me guess you're confusing left with liberal trannies.
Classic amerimutt

>>96116227
>The sheer amount of tow conversions I've seen using this one dragon is staggering
He's the perfect size, a lot of the AoS dragons are fuckhuge

>>96121806
And he comes on that rock so he fits on the 60x100 base