>No conversions, if a model is 1mm too tall or has a slightly bigger base than what is "official" people get pissed
>Majority don't even want to paint, would likely buy pre-assembled models if offered
>Majority don't even know what a "scenario" is, think wargames are all about being balanced competitive fields like a dota match
>"The meta"
>Games removing complexity and more involved rules left and right
>"I have no time to do the hobby bro, as a busy adult I need everything spoonfed to me to where it isn't even a hobby anymore!"
>No care for theme, people call you a gatekeeper if you even express wanting to do a historical narrative
>Majority of players have no care for terrain or aesthetics, just dump a box of disorganized, unpainted shit on a table and call it a day. Especially bad in warhammer scenes
>Hobby "influencers" and reddit dictating every layman's opinions, nobody thinks for themselves
>Homogenization of hobby and painting, people think there's "correct" and "official" ways to do the hobby now instead of it being DIY and/or personal study of what you're looking to paint
>Nobody seems capable of actually reading material for the games and factions they like the look of, both rules and lore/history.
>Zoomer hobbyists incapable of social activity, cannot fathom the concept of interacting and discussing what you want to play with another person, nor self balancing. Needs everything dictated by the book itself to avoid socializing as much as possible
>Next to impossible to find groups for anything besides 40k and sigmar
>Almost all indie titles are just bare bones boring rulesets entirely uplifted by the premise of being a prompt for inq28 guys to kitbash shit for
>Historicals companies becoming GW tier with insane pricing and poor business practices
>"Bro they're a company so it's okay!"

What the fuck happened? This was not the case just 20 years ago. It feels like solo games are the only refuge anymore, maybe peter cushing had the right idea all along

>>96114898 (OP)
Is this a discord raid or something?

>>96114898 (OP)
Its amazing chuds like OP cry about this yet I bet you 100% since hes already complaining about inq28 he starts crying blood and seething with rage when you tell him everything he wants is happening in Trench Crusade

>>96114914
Trench Crusade SUCKS ASS

>>96114898 (OP)
That's a lot of problems you've highlighted and I agree with them all.

Truthfully though I don't know what the solutions to these problems are.
But does anybody have any ideas on what can be done to solve this problem or slowly and steadily fix the problems over time?

Or even better how to not be a part of the problem?

Meanwhile, the average Warhammer player

>>96114914
Yep OP is already crying about inq28 and is anti trench crusade I bet yet Trench Crusade cares more about the hobby, and making proper tables yet hes a right winger

Greentext OPs should just be an autoban at this point.

Uh oh the Trench Crusade sissies got mad

Historical chuds are wargaming poison at this rate, go play in your little garage with the other nazis at this point and stop crying

>>96114898 (OP)
>No conversions, if a model is 1mm too tall or has a slightly bigger base than what is "official" people get pissed

The reason this became a thing is because WAACfags would use the "it's just my custom conversion, bro!" as an excuse to give themselves a competitive advantage. So once again, the source of all of modern wargaming's problems stem from the competitive/ tournament scene.

>>96114898 (OP)
>>No conversions, if a model is 1mm too tall or has a slightly bigger base than what is "official" people get pissed
I stopped reading there because it's bullshit and I assume the rest is trash too; that isn't true even on the 40k tournament scene and that's in its most ugly autistic era
if you stopped spamming these gay threads bemoaning the death of wargaming and actually got out and networked you might have fewer problems

>>96114944
>>96114949
Well which is it?
LMAO at 40kuck scrambling to find out who could possibly be criticizing their slop game

If you guys hate tournies or WAAC so much the only answer if basically you need to adopt a ruleset of turning Wargames into an RPG where you kind of need to dictate the scenario, include a GM, and eliminate "win conditions

A lot of modern warfare table top games follow this basically

>>96114928
People like that are pretty common in game shops, it's not exactly a revelation you're posting.

>>96114976
OP is complaining about inq28 yet he ignores that Trench Crusade is keeping the hobby alive and well

>>96114909
>>96114914
>>96114937
>>96114944
>>96114949
>no mention of trench crusade in the post at all
>half the replies are guys screeching about chuds and trench crusade
>literally unrelated entirely to the OP
are these actual bots or something? did the term "inq28" flag them to all pour into the thread and start a culture war debate?

>>96114898 (OP)
Just suck the Inq28 girldick, my man.

>op makes thread highlighting the genuine problems wargaming faces
>gets branded a chud or a rightoid or whatever rent free boogeyman it is
>obvious upset trenchers in the thread because how dare anyone criticize glorious inq28 even for their own good

I swear trench crusade fanboys are worse than 40kucks at this point. Seeing demons everywhere it is.

>>96114926
I guess the first step is to acknowledge the problem behaviors of the hobby and not reinforce them.
For instance people complain about L shaped terrain. It ain’t just 40k so don’t play with such shaped terrain.

>>96115003
It the GWpigs version of the Nintendrone cope that it has to be some specific boogeyman making fun of them instead of random people

>>96115003
>>no mention of trench crusade in the post at all
Inq28/Blanchitsu are the guys behind TC, dumbass

>>96115003
Trenchers are buck broken by all the chud attention they got. They see even honest criticism for their game they mess their identity as an attack and lash out. Just enjoy the mental illness on display.

Works on my community (skub28)
I have never played a non narrative event in my life and I'm never going to

>>96115035
OP wasn't even criticizing inq28, he was criticizing indie games for being glorified artbooks aimed at people like the inq28 crowd to convert miniatures for. That's absolutely true, there are a massive amount of these "28" skirmish indie games released every month with no mechanical substance to them.
Trenchfags literally just saw a buzzword and started chimping out like retards, actual AI tier behavior

>>96115003
>>96115026
>>96115063
Inq28 is full of conversions, full of amazing look tables, and is full of hobbying. OP is mad hes getting called out since he was expecting GW screeching

next time dont throw in inq28 in your rant

>>96115112
Literally all he needs to do say that men in dresses are women and don't say the nigger word, and he has the scene he wants in with the Skub28 guys.

>>96115112
>NTA but
It can have all the glorious things the hobby stands for but if the community is turbo obnoxious then it all won't mean shit.
Warmahordes had great rules, lore, art, and tables and it's shitty community became it's downfall.
>inb4 TC community isn't shitty
Scroll up and read the posts. 4chinz can be a great window into what people really are like when the username is stripped off so people can be their truer selves.
It genuinely worries me because I want TC to succeed, but it will instead of consigned to a slow death if the obnoxiousness of TC fanboys is anything to go by.

>>96115112
>DONT FUCK WITH TRENCHERS....WE TAKE IT UP THE ASS

fuck off, I swear if the jannies didnt ban every form of Trench Crusade post on this board you fags would be eating any bait I make 40kpigs are too easy but you Trenchers are a defended race here

>>96114898 (OP)

Models are getting both cheaper and more expensive at the same time, which is kind of wild to me. We also have so many smart people playing these games, and because you can’t copyright game rules, it makes sense to pick and choose the best elements of each game and play what you like.

I’m just happy to see people collecting and painting. That’s always been what I’ve enjoyed most.

>>96115146
Trench Crusade has divine protection in the form of support from redditor/tranny mods and jannies

>>96114898 (OP)
You left the one thing out that invalidates your post

>worrying about what other people are doing when you have more choice than ever

Even with dementia I can see this

>>96115146
You get a 3 day ban since the word "T*anny Crusade* is a no no word here

Next time shit on Warhammer it deserves it, dont drag in inq28 or Trench Crusade becasue you are clearly a right winger who doesnt play wargames. Trench Crusade does everything you want yet you scream and kick agasint it for retarded reasons

>>96115112
Read the post again, it wasn't criticizing inq28 or the community, it was criticizing indie games for barely even being games. You're chimping out for no reason and seeing boogeymen everywhere due to a single word in a post

My terrain is a box of kids building blocks. My infantry are unpaid Risk figures. My mechs are transformers. I think I'll play some BLKOUT with my knockoff lego soldiers.

>>96115193
>>96115003
Directly calling out inq28 means hes referring to Trench Crusade when it clearly keeping the soul of Wargaming alive

>>96115190
Trench Crusade is such reddit edgy fagshit,.it's bizarre how sensitive you homos get whenever someone criticizes it. You're worse than 40kucks

>>96115216
It's made by redditors for redditors

>>96115193
Sounds like complaining to me, inq28 is doing everything OP wants yet he ignores it and screams indie game

Note to self only stick to trolling Warhammer troons these fucking Trench fags are utterly insane

No one ever explains why they hate inq28

>uhhhh its edgeslop
>uhhhhh its an indie art game
>Uhhhh its erm discord drama
>uuhhhh reddit leftists

Just crawl back to warhammer

>>96115143
>obnoxiousness of TC fanboys
I keep seeing the "obnoxiousness" of "obnoxious" trench crusade fanboys (that same verbiage over and over) referred to in threads where squads of dedicated TC haters are also heavily active but go unremarked upon
not interested in the game, just noticing things

holy fuck I thought GW fanboys were crazy this thread was attacked by Trench Crusade cultists

>Tourists doing Discord gayops

>>96115249
Those are all valid reasons. Faggot. Post your physique

>>96115252
I said in a tc thread that trench crusade fanboys are obnoxious and I will be proven right and once again I am proven right.
Vindication feels sweet and sour. It is nice to be right among people who are wrong and at the same time the sour part is witnessing a poison that will rot out trench crusade.
If I knew the community would be like this i would never have backed the kickstarter.

I’ll cite this thread in the future as evidence that trench crusade fanboys are insane a shame really the game has promise but like someone said before mentioning warmachine the game can be great but if the community is shit then it won’t matter.

>>96115282
cancelled my order for the book after seeing what colossal faggots 80% of the tc fanbase consists of

>>96115366
Good man I should too. If it gets rejected I’ll initiate a chargeback. Or keep the book as a lesson in what I should support and what not to support. I might flip a coin on it.

>an entire thread of no games no models losers tilting at starwmen.
It's like watching a bunch of monkeys fling shit at eachother in the zoo.

>>96115026
>Seeing demons everywhere it is.
Very much in spirit for a 40k lookalike.

>>96115382
dont do a cb, backerkit are fucky with it apparently.

>>96115405
Nice model, thanks for helping :^)

>>96114991
>pretty common
>clown fag manchild
>sterile terrain
its proving op’s point that the soul is gone

>>96114898 (OP)
If you had friends who enjoyed your company not a single one of these things would be a problem for you.

It's the record of grievance of someone who Doesn't looking out at people who Do. Maybe you Did at one point, and that's why your nostalgia burns so hard for a particular era of gaming, but now you're washed and alone. Friendless and unwanted.

Based OP

My local club is all rubber objective discs and L shaped terrain. It's fucking mental. My friends probably play about a dozen games of the latest edition before the next edition comes out and they constantly question why they're doing it.

Meanwhile I go off and partake in Oldhammer events and it's just so creative and lovely.

>>96115862

https://scalecreep.blogspot.com/2018/01/why-would-you-make-ghost-of-hg-wells-cry.html

You've got to find your own north star. Your own worlds.

>>96115872
This board would be so sick if it wasn't for the criminally small helicopter

>>96115862
I saw this game being played at BOYL a couple years back. What a great event. I was trying to guess who was a fellow 'chanfag the whole time but didn't ping any of you. Hellsreach table ran by Ramshackle Curtis was incredible too.

What's the deal with "L shaped terrain"? The only wargame I play is battletech, and I only do narrative campaign games as the GM.

>>96116346
It's a warhammer thing, warhammer has infamously bad line of sight and terrain rules to where RAW only L-shaped walls are viable for play. Everything else is functionally useless due to it being retarded true line of sight where you can blast entire units down if you can see a guys foot under a crack in a wall. The strange part is that GW already fixes this issue in half of their specialist games like necromunda and old world, they just retain it in the flagship games for some retarded reason

>>96116378
I think 4e probably had the best LOS rules, and I don't know why they abandoned it for one of the worst versions of TLOS I've seen. Especially since it leads to ugly tables.

How can it simultaneously be the case that people aren't making conversions but also that all indie titles are prompts for kitbashing? If people weren't interested in the former there wouldn't be a market for the latter.

>>96114898 (OP)

Just play Kings of War. The game that fixes all the issues you have.

>>96116378
>Everything else is functionally useless due to it being retarded true line of sight where you can blast entire units down if you can see a guys foot under a crack in a wall.

Yeah, that is dogshit. Back when I still played, my group would always house rule it that only the specific model that is visible can be targeted, not the entire unit just because one model has his foot sticking out. We also house ruled it that only the actual body/hull of the miniature counted for determining line of sight, things like weapons, wings and radio antennas didn't count.

>>96117015
Not the anon but
Is a new edition upon us soon? I’m trying to build an undead army.

>>96117137
Good for you anon.

Your common sense house rules don't apply to GW tournaments though - their shitty 'current edition' rules act as dogma for most braindead 40k players. :(

>>96118373
>GW tournaments
Something completely irrelevant for the majority of players.

>>96114898 (OP)
Play with friends whom understand the soul, anon. Also, do not be mislead by Warlord Games, most historical mini producers still observe the reasonable price per mini standards.

>>96114949
>go play in your little garage with the other nazis
Troonies will never know this kino, forever stuck playing GWslop with strangers and acquaintances in LGS

>>96114898 (OP)
literally every single one of those issues can be resolved by not playing GW games, not trying to win over people in the GW walled garden and not caring about the latest FOTM slop that gets shilled.

Just pick a couple of games you like, paint up two sides, make terrain and reach out to people while making it very clear what kind of game you want to play. You just need one other person.

>>96114898 (OP)
How do you start wargaming?
It looks/sounds like fun. Especially in a modern-esque setting.

>>96116323
I was there on that day too lmao (not the one you replied to) but I wasn't playing any games. Me and my friends just visited to watch, chat and buy some models from the foundy. Comfy event.

>>96114937
>>96114993
>>96114949
>>96114914
>>96115112
The '28' crowd is toxic. The games are also awful, I've tried to play a few of them. The rules are shallow to the point of not really being a wargame any more, army building is usually heavily curtailed, and everything exists as to be a "shititsu" modelling project - that's Blanchitsu but with the vibrant and contrasting colours replaced by dull colours and more mud than you would find on the Somme front after a particularly heavy rainfall.
And do not even start me on the "conversions", most of them are just historicals from two different periods with some warhammer bits added on and enough mud effects paint to hide the seams.
Admittedly TC does appear to have better rules than the rest of the 28 stuff, but I've also got no interest in the game, "muh catholics vs muh demons but in ww1" is just not appealing to me, and the map makes no sense.
Also, there is the 28 crowds minor issue of obnoxiousness and bad attitude towards any criticism or anyone whom does not toe the approved line too, it's a toxic cult that's building itself up on self backrubs and fart huffing.

>>96114898 (OP)
Wargaming is cheaper and more accessible than ever, you're just a whiner. People like you dance around the edges of the hobby wasting everyone's time with what you don't like because it's a great holding pen for autists who like to do things exclusively in their heads. When you don't get enough attention you turn to industry drama and shop talk, anything to avoid actually doing the hobby.

Things are actually great right now if you're not some poor sad bastard trying to chase the GW meta. You can game for close to zero with paper minis, 1/72, printing, mesh/risk piece armies and felt terrain or you can play some obscure period or old school fantasy in pewter in 10mm or 6mm or 15mm or even 2mm and save a lot and get cool minis and scenery, you can buy any number of plastic sets and starters to the point where you can make new genres with the spare parts.

Anybody grumbling about the present state of things all the time lacks creativity, persistence and will pull other, actual gamers down who are optimistically and imaginatively making a go of it.

>>96114898 (OP)
I bet you only play GW games

>>96118642
You sound like you so much want to be part of a club that isn't personally interested in you.

>>96118597
Look for a club near you. Go there and see/ask what they play there and get yourself some miniatures for those games and join that club.

>>96115037
>Write a game about Christians having to moderate between paying lip-service to pagan institutions like nations and doing their damn job keeping demonkind from ruining Earth
>Surprised that would attract a bunch of Christians who find the premise intriguing

>>96118663
To some degree, I can understand the OP and other bitter types like him. It can be frustrating if all you have around you in terms of players is GW WAAC guys. Especially in some more rural areas in countries that are not the US or UK, finding players (even for 40k) can be a challenge. And if you want to play something less popular, difficulty increases tenfold. But it still remains a "you"-problem, and even with 40k it's possible to play soulful campaigns if you got the right circle of friends to game with. The challenge is to find these people.
If OP (and all those guys similar to him) would spend their time in either looking for such people or to investigate solo gaming, this board would be a better place.

>>96118680
There is literally a Catholic priest in the forum.

>>96118666
I don't. They can have theirs. I'm just tired of their stuff being pushed everywhere as though "MUDCORE SLOP SIMULATOR #121" is the latest and greatest thing in tabletop wargaming. Its not, but they have their fingers in oh so many pies so you get adverts about how CARROT HUNTER 28 IS THE NEW THING IN WARGAMING ITS AN AMAZING GAME GO PLEDGE ON THE PATRIN HYPE HYPE HYPE and then in a few months it's gone to be replaced by MARKET BRAWLER 28 IS SETTING THE NEW STANDARDS HYPE HYPE PATRON LINK and so on. It'll happen to TC too, just watch. Meanwhile I'm going to stick to my historical games, and fantasy and sci-fi alternative wargaming.

>>96118717
So?

>>96118719
Quit social media, including discord and 4chan for a month and focus on your own hobby projects without any outside influence. It will be good for your sanity. If you hate their stuff, don't look at it.

>>96118700
I literally know no one who does this hobby and have to save my crunchy games for solo play, I have a damaged spine so doing the crafting causes me a fair bit of pain yet I love the hobby. You either like it and do your thing or you don't and worry about what everyone else is doing.

Wish I knew people who did it but I don't, or they just paint 40k because the meta never ends

>>96118721
So their forum is vampire proof

>>96118728
This, light a scented candle, whack on some Kenny G and draw a bath.

Most influencers sound a bit fake by virtue of what they are doing and if it isn't inspiring you get the fuck away from it. I don't know how they are all supposed to live off maybe the hardcore market of under 100,000 people in the world who regularly buy wargaming stuff and rpg stuff and board game stuff every pay day.

>>96118666
Not him but eh, as someone with half a foot through the door I agree.

Even people who have broken GW mind conditioning can still fall into following the crowd.

And if you want to be a wargaming hipster in your "Fish Fear Me, Men Fear Me" cap and Death Metal t-shirt right now, 28 is that crowd.

So instead of having nicely painted warbands and stuff, they're following that crowd and wanking about playing "Grimdark Gardening Simulator" and making conversions that often amount to "making a dude's head a random object or a shield with a face"

That's not to say there aren't some ridiculously talented people around. But some people are covering stuff in oil washes to save themselves actually painting things nicely. And I wish that wasn't the climate these people were attracted to when we all can be so much more.

>>96118735
You have internet access. You just have to reach out and you will find some like-minded people. Have you considered starting a blog or an old school forum thread about your personal projects? Even if it's solo games.
Last year I played a campaign of rangers of shadow deep, and I had more fun with it than I thought.

>>96118747
I'm thinkin' about it for sure.

>>96118745
I don't care what these people are doing. I've had two 9/10 women snort coke off my erect dick while deejaying and then have a public scrag fight over who was leaving with me on the dancefloor. I invented streaking grime. I have had three coffees

>>96118745
Let them? As long as those people are not in your club/store or friend circle, and they actively try to make you join their games or painting style, why even bother about that stuff? Unsubscribe YouTube channels that post such stuff and paint your minis how you like it.

>>96118760
Or grow an ironic moustache, put some perry knight helmets on some wargames atlantic prussian reserve bodies and fuck everyone's girlfriend.

>>96118760
That's my problem though, these guys are an increasing proportion of the Lead Belt's alternative scene which is heavily intertwined with the Oldhammer one.

>>96118771
https://youtu.be/F9aL6UpmXZ4?feature=shared

So you live in Nottingham?

Well, basically this take of the lost soul of wargaming is bullshit.
Look at this years Salute or UK Games Expo and you'll see many Clubs showing up with home brew Systems and small publishers with charming products.

>>96118795
Things are great, just cost pressures the main issue imho

>>96118798
Aye, a lot of boomers retiring their aging webstores or now having to charge £4-6 per single metal miniature

Wargaming would be way healthier if people quitting GW games went indie instead of just picking up another GW game.

>>96118826
I never had this problem at 15mm. Essex do sample packs for almoat every period for about $5 usd for eight minis

How do you even join a clique like 28 when it's like five years too late?

>>96118826
All these boomer webstores retiring is killing my soul. RAFM went down recently.

>>96118745
>if you want to be a wargaming hipster in your "Fish Fear Me, Men Fear Me" cap and Death Metal t-shirt right now, 28 is that crowd
posting this shit again, write some new material you weirdo
>>96118666
not the worst case of it I see regularly, but yeah, exactly the tone of a lot of the hate
I'm glad I refreshed before finally coming back and posting because this shit is an almost textbook example
>>96118918
>How do you even join a clique like 28 when it's like five years too late?

>>96118719
>Meanwhile I'm going to stick to my historical games, and fantasy and sci-fi alternative wargaming.
this is what gets me, you know how flash-in-the-pan projects like Turnip or whatever are, how easily avoided they are, and you're still writing long malding posts about it, it's deranged
I don't even abstain completely, it's even easy to flick through blogs, instagram or whatever, and still enjoy them while avoiding the drama, whether real or imagined
the haters are the only ones here still talking about most of these irrelevant projects, you people are literally propping them up

so much 28 hate seems to be outrage addicts at best, with plenty of the worst being weird, bitter, friendless autists making themselves mentally ill through concentration and abuse of the internet

>>96119003
>posting this shit again, write some new material you weirdo
It's true though lel

Like they wake up one morning and see how their friends dress and buy the same clothes it's weird as fuck.

>>96114898 (OP)
>This was not the case just 20 years ago.
I don't really think that was the case.
Warhammer was basically the only big thing back then too.
It never was not fringe and small and if you so do desire you can always just get your lads to play whatever you push for. Just as back in the days.

Why don't warhammer cucks just have their own clubs and club houses? That's how most historical wargamers engage in the hobby.

>>96115112
>amazing looking tables
I've never seen an Inq28 paintjob that didn't look like a roundabout excuse not to actually paint minis.

>>96118522
Honestly that line set me off too. It's like they're not actually wargamers but LGS socials enjoyers.
First time I ever played 40K was at a friends house whose older brother had a huge garage table of 3rd edition stuff. It was and still remains one of the most awesome things i've seen in the hobby.

>>96115382
>Or keep the book as a lesson in what I should support and what not to support.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/95921224/#95944543 Kek, at least you remember what happened the last time you posted this and updated the script so that it doesn't sound like you are already clinging onto a book that hasn't been released yet.

>>96119003
Answer me one question: have you, or someone you'd consider a close wargaming friend, made a Kickstarter for some hipster bullshit?

This thread is pretty insane because it goes from like 0-60 immediately but nobody posting seems to have any connection to the thread or even /tg/. Is it just a bot argument?

>>96114949
>go play in your little garage with the other nazis
I'm as left leaning as they and come and holy fuck are we at the point of shitting on garage wargaming?
It is the best thing ever. Tables are actually good, players are actually chill and funny to be around, banter is amazing.
You don't know what you're missing out on.
The game was Kings of War BTW.

You'd also be pleasantly surprised at how quickly you can rehabilitate a "nazi" just though mutual enjoyment of Warhammer. Most of the guys have admitted to meeting the definition of a "chud" without saying the word and said it was just a phase that they started to get out of because they met a nice guy who was able to look past their beliefs and see them for what they truly can be.

>>96119125
Culture wars between no games and no games

>>96119116
>let a post get to his head that you remember it nearly a full month later
He's not wrong. And you're sounding like a /40kg/ schizo seeing the same demon behind every post.

It isn't uncommon for people to keep memorabilia to remind them of bad choices. I've still got my WarmaHordes books to remind me not to associate with a toxic community, and if the meme of 4chan shit feeds down the social media line is still true then Trench Crusade is shaping up to have a toxic hipster community.

Be a better representative of what you enjoy, anon. You're not making Trench Crusade look good.
Quite frankly a lot of fanboys aren't making TC look good but that wasn't the goal at all and TC is just another culture war platform at this point as much as I want it to succeed when the official rules come out, but at this point even that feels like a cope from the community.

>>96119167
>still upset they don't think he is cool

Omg bro just watch Tileas Troubles and be happy
https://youtu.be/3Da5VyweaCU?feature=shared

>>96119003
I'm just not interested in what "the scene" is doing because I set my own agenda. I work on some dark ages stuff, some 19th century stuff and some fantasy and sci fi stuff. It's all based the same way. I bend whatever rules to my mini collection. I don't sit around going "is this viable."

Life is hard enough without inventing all these reasons not to start. External locus of validation vs painting an army...

>>96119172
>still upset they don't think he is cool
>wat.gif
I think you responded to the wrong guy.
Anyways that is a really good video. I don't know why but I'm genuinely enjoying it so far.

>>96119187
Guy does a great job

This is the most recent battle episode

He deserves to be famous

https://youtu.be/9HJsPgQcOEo?feature=shared

>>96119014
>Like they wake up one morning and see how their friends dress and buy the same clothes it's weird as fuck.
>autistic retard finally independently discovers fashion
but seriously the full list is just some almost schizophrenic looking overactive pattern recognition
nerds wearing metal shirts? wow incredible
>"Fish Fear Me, Men Fear Me" cap
wtf are you even on about? where have you even seen one of these? it's bizarre
>rode mics and DSLRs
that's just what people use because it's cost effective you dipshit, I've helped a friend out when he was starting his business and that's pretty much what all low-mid level commercial outfits use

>>96119118
you're implying I'm in your outgroup because either you've got no other reply because know your outrage faggotry in indefensible, or your actually mentally ill
I'll answer anyway; if they have, they've never talked about it, I've never played it. I play historicals, alt wargames, OOP GW stuff, in homes, sheds, clubrooms and I've never seen any of these shitty artgames retards like you boost by obsessively malding at them

>>96118933
>All these boomer webstores retiring is killing my soul.
Just treat it as preparing for when your real life friends start dying.

>>96119239
This. The Irregular Miniatures guy is 98

>>96119212
You're getting quite precious mate. Maybe I made that post which has clearly stuck with you for a little fun.

There is a certain type of 28 guy you see doing shrooms at Adepticon and I just kind of ran with that.

>I've never seen any of these shitty artgames retards like you boost by obsessively malding at them

So why are you so arsed lel. I've seen them with my own eyes playing Poop28.

>>96118745
>And if you want to be a wargaming hipster in your "Fish Fear Me, Men Fear Me" cap and Death Metal t-shirt right now, 28 is that crowd.
People were calling things grimclusive, which was good, but I feel like we also need grimquirky.

I blame a lot of this on the "metal is badass... but also fuckin' supportive! death metal dads can wear tutus with their daughters! therapy is hardcore!" and I started to miss when they just did heroin lol

>>96119284
>still way more invested in how other people appear through the letterbox of the internet than his own projects

You need Jesus. At least to help with basecoating

Qrd on 28?

>>96119313
Group oriented formalisation of ideas initiated by Sean Sutter and others focusing on skirmish and battle games in post apocalyptic settings mixing genres, time periods - often mixing fantasy, sci fi, blackpowder and medieval parts and plenty of tufts, and streaking grime to convey an overgrown, muddy, aesthetic. Often storied around never ending war having a mgical realist effect on the environment and its denizens. The idea being that it allows maximum self expression and is almost anti high skill, anti corporate or a reaction to expensive, coherent display quality pieces and a return to the messy, the achievable and its attendant personality and quirks. Hated due to poor sexual prospects of critics. Ignored by me.

>>96119313
28 Mag is a fanzine (and a very good one)

The movement started with Inq28, which was people playing the 54mm miniature GW RPG-wargame Inquisitor but with 28mm miniatures.

This developed its own increasingly weird Grimdark aesthetic in both sci-fi and fantasy, which then lead to people making their own games and miniatures and kitbashes to the point it's its own 28 scene with successes like Trench Crusade. As time has gone on it's only got more weird.

>>96119274
>There is a certain type of 28 guy you see doing shrooms at Adepticon and I just kind of ran with that.
nobody's ever done this, and if they have they certainly haven't done it enough for them to be a type of guy, you're full of shit

>>96119357
Nice Grey Knights

>>96119370

>>96119340
>almost anti high skill

i.e. "I wanted to kitbash this but couldn't really be arsed painting it so I did a zenithal and three different oil washes"

This is what I personally just don't like. Like I'm not asking for anything near a Golden Demon paintjob (and I wouldn't want one aesthetically) but why can't they just paint stuff normally?

It just hits me as lazy and more focused on pleasing each other on Instagram.

>>96119388
And as I said up-thread, it's not everyone, there are some really talented people who are "high skill".

But it's cover for a lot of laziness from others.

>>96118719
>>96118744
Shut up, and for convert up your next napoleonic mini with a Perry foot knight helmet and fireforge peasant pitchfork bayonet on his musket. Don't forget the extra mud.
I'm tired of seeing turds from 28 given space in wargaming magazines. Turnip and The Damned where the best, nothing on the rules and gameplay and the creators happily avoided those questions in the interviews because there basically are none. I'm just waiting on Trench Crusades one, and the mass kvetching over players having wrongthoughts.

>>96115026
Thing is, a lot of this are people baiting. Most of these people aren’t genuinely thinking this shit, they’re baiting with low-hanging fruit to derail the thread because jannies allow it.

>>96119481
You can tell its a bait thread by /v/tards because OP thinks dota is competitive or balanced. Hahahahahahhaha

>>96114898 (OP)
Stop playing Warhammer, anon. Most historical groups, and even some of the more niche GW players, tend to be way more oldschool in their mentality.

>>Historicals companies becoming GW tier with insane pricing and poor business practices
Mostly just Warlord, and even then we are still leagues away from GW prices.

>Poor buisness practises
Yeah, they are selling historical minis.

>>96119396
When I see some of their models, I wonder to myself "how is that thing supposed to fight?". Sometimes I think the esotericness goes a little too far when it's just like a giant foot on a base or something like that.

>>96119531
>Sometimes I think the esotericness goes a little too far when it's just like a giant foot on a base or something like that.
I'm in agreement. It's an increasingly flanderised scene.

>>96119388
>but why can't they just paint stuff normally?

Who are you to define what is a "normal" paintjob? Why should everyone use the same painting techniques?
I'm with you that most of those "grimdark" paintjobs look like shit, but guess what: I unfollow people who post shit on instagram (or dont even follow them in the first place). Its a complete non-issue to me how others paint their miniatures.

>>96119399
>>96119388
Ok but I'm not bothered by them doing that because there is already too much proscriptiveness abour how you should approach the hobby from people who barely do it.

>>96115026
>>op makes thread highlighting the genuine problems wargaming faces

No, he highlights what he thinks are the genuine problems. He fails to deliver a single example for his weird points and he mixes all sorts of things together.

I have noticed not a single point of what he posts in my group, so to me, he comes across as someone who spends way too much time on reddit and/or /40kg/ instead of playing games in his or his friends garage or basement.

>>96119575
This is the problem with 40k refugees. They have very rigid ideas about everything but the game they play is ultimately just one slice of the pie. You gave to gatekeep them because they will insist that you have to use x minis painted in y way using the latest meta and now your hobby costs 7 times as mucha nd nobody is painting anything and you just have cardboard ruins again.

>>96119575
>Why should everyone use the same painting techniques?
I'm not saying they should, I'm just bemoaning the prevailing winds meaning that laziness dressed up as something creative has taken such a hold on people.

In the same way I'm sad people's decency for each other in public seems to have eroded rapidly recently.

>>96119679
When you have crippling arthritis the old heavy wash gets you where you're going.

The onoy eyebrow raiser for me was when one kf the 28 guys said he basically bought all these Napoleonics and couldn't be bothered learning about or painting them.

>>96119679
Its just a waste of time and emotions to bother with things you have no influence over. Its simple: You can paint yourself, and you can paint how you want. Focus on that. Ignore the crap.

>>96120284
Yeah, so stop criticizing our criticism. You can't convince us not to call this scene gay so stop wasting your time. Go chill out, have a bubblebath, and stop worrying about us. You shouldn't expend your energy trying to yuck someone else's yum.

>>96120352
>us

Its you Anon.

>>96114898 (OP)
Hobbies exist in the first place because you cannot become emotionally mature while being deeply insecure about your own emotional immaturity. Performed and self-important maturation is just a child's idea of growing up and it is characterised by a relentless need to rob entertainment of any sense of spontaneity or mutability. /tg/ is just Reddit for people who think they're too smart for Reddit and so natural the only capital you can have in these discussions is your ability to pretend something matters more than it actually does while simultaneously undervaluing it because the only thing that matters to you is you. All of OP's points can be traced back to this phenomenon in some way.

>>96120621
is this pasta?

>>96119167
>It isn't uncommon for people to keep memorabilia to remind them of bad choices.
What the fuck are you talking about, freak?

>>96120645
no
THIS
IS
SPARTAAAA

>>96119388
>just paint stuff normally

A "normal" paint job is just unpainted plastic. Why in the world are you upset that people are actually painting their fucking models?

>>96120352
>us

>>96118745
>"Fish Fear Me, Men Fear Me" cap and Death Metal t-shirt right now, 28 is that crowd.
I'm a (peripheral) part of the broader 28 clique and this made me laugh because it describes like 90% of the people at such events. I think people are being too harsh with your post because it's mostly accurate. What I will say it that, first, I will ABSOLUTELY support narrative events with light rules and converted models over current-ed GW tournaments played on symmetrical tables. And second, while the "low effort" models you describe do exist there in abundance, the overwhelming majority of paintjobs are actually quite impressive and aspirational. I'd rate myself among one of the worst painters there, even, with some people casually throwing out incredible freehands and such. I think that while what you're saying is TRUE, it doesn't describe the majority of the community, I really think that they're mostly putting their best foot forward hobbywise with some low-effort fuckery on the perimeter. (And honestly a lot of of in-person paintjobs at their events are just "normal" paintjobs instead of Blanchitsu whatever. The instagram-grim style is far from universal) Finally, let's be honest, the real reason 28 has attracted such "controversy" on 4chan lately is that they're both doing what 4chan claims to want (narrative, noncompetitive, art-ane-story-first events) while also being outspokenly and a little onerously leftwing. That sets off a certain archetype of poster here, but I don't mind my fellow gamers' politics as long as the game is good. I think they're cool people and I like what they do.

>>96121400
>it describes like 90% of the people at such events.

Thank you lad, exactly I wasn't saying it out of malice and yet someone has spent half the thread calling me a mentalist.

Your observations ring true with what I've seen too. I'm more Oldhammer but there's a bit of overlap at certain times.

>>96118642
yes, the crowd is toxic and pretty elitist although with Blanche retiring/stopping painting they've all piped down, also they've gone full trench crusade but i'd bet that wont last.

I cant stand all the mork borg/forbidden psalm variations, the guy that does them seems nice enough and forbidden psalm/last war were cool, the rest are just the same with a different skin, some lazy shit.

Also to the people bashing turnip, its still going strong, its real strength is its community and the fact that turnip max mods it well/keeps out politics and is actually interesting to chat to, unlike say Blanche whose a grumbly bastard that thinks not being able to spell on purpose is cool.

>>96114928
Why didn't he 3D Print custom terrain?

>>96121400
>the real reason 28 has attracted such "controversy" on 4chan lately

In addition to what you said, these people actually have miniatures, and they play games with them, and they even dare to have fun. You know that there is a certain poster type who hates these things.

>>96119567
clearly that crushes you with its head, bad example

>>96119679
it could be a perspective issue.
Some people share that stuff online or show it off to their friends the same way they'd show a cool rock they found. It's not about their skill level, it's about something that happened to look cool for them. It's natural that if you have a competitive or perfectionist mindset you'd missread their intentions, and some might be trying to pass off accidents as intentional, but not everyone thinks that way,

>>96114898 (OP)
Be the change you want for the world, OP. Convert and paint minis, make terrain, designs scenarios, find likeminded friends, show up at the store and play a fun and beautiful game in a sea of cardboard Ls and 3-color paint jobs.

>>96114898 (OP)
Be the change you want for the world, OP. Convert and paint minis, make terrain, designs scenarios, find likeminded friends, show up at the store and play a fun and beautiful game in a sea of cardboard Ls and 3-color paint jobs.

>>96122194
>the crowd is toxic and pretty elitist

Perception issue for want of examples. You're upset at a thousandth of the wargaming hobby as though it's the centre of gravity that proscribes how people do the hobby. It really doesn't

>>96114928
>the dogshit mdf terrain places entirely for gameplay
>the hideous mat
>the branded objective circles
>the obesity and graphic t
>the purple hair
>the backwards hat
>the tattoo
>the glasses
the stroke arm

holy shit this is probably one of the worst images I've ever seen

>>96124463
This.
But honestly, its not that easy. But i think it can be done. I recently started a hobby blog myself, and i am currently working on taking nice pictures of all my painted miniatures in nice quality.
How cares if some insufferable WAAC fags cry about whatever, it has no impact on my hobby, or what i do in my free time.
But getting to this realization can be a long road for some people i think.

>>96114898 (OP)
Just out of curiosity I copied the OP greentext and inverted everything to see how close it'd be to an ideal situation, then got sad for a great local boardgame club which died a few years after its founder :(

>>96115037
Dude, why would any game want attention from chuds? Like they don't buy shit and they don't make shit and you end up having to deal with weirdos who talk about age of consent being evil, of course no one wants em

>>96125954
You know the irony? the deep irony? The guys OP wants...probably look like that

>>96130701
>chuds
Lad, you just described the far Left, right down to the MAP's age of consent tantrums and the woketivists online screeching without ever buying anything.

>>96130785
MAP age of consent tantrum is far right thing, mostly because that's what far right wants, always remember libertarians aren't left wingers.
And no really, chuds don't buy shit, why you think around here you get them to shut up by asking for minis and why they had to go around and say that owning minis is actually not being a fan of warhammer.

>>96114898 (OP)
>gatekeepers
not to mention a lot of the people who claim to fight against gatekeepers want to enforce their own spin, be it old or new, without any flexibility whatsoever.

That's boomer and zoomer, both ways.

If I want to say female space marines are not canon and it annoys me they breached it, that's my wish. If I say I don't mind female marines in itself and I'm gonna have a female captain, that's my wish. If I say there's more important examples of retcon that are worth getting angry about that's my wish too.

I am not part of any 'problem' and I will not tolerate being accused as such because I will not kowtow to your side of a pop-culture pissing match. Either come here to have fun and play, or fuck off.

>>96130785
>>96130839
>Nuuuu! Fwuffy nu a pedo! Fwuffies' hewd am less a buncha pedos dan youw hewd, dummeh fwuffeh!

That is how you faggots sound. Pedos are an apolitical problem.

>trench crusade
Isn't that the cuckshit game?

>>96114928
Meanwhile, the average D&D players

>>96131669
fluffybooru is down the hall and to the left
>>96131747
this forced hate for TC is just as reddit as tcs fans

You losers care way too much about how people dress, what opinions they have and what games they like.

>>96130839
1. There is a massive push in the pride cult to get MAP's accepted
2. There is also a massive nonce issue in the pride cult, and in the hard left in general.
3. By the merit of the ever fluctuating (increasingly extremist left or your a nazi) scale I class as a "chud". Picrel is part of my hobby shelves, and those brown boxes contain a lot of stuff each.

>>96131782
yes dnd is for quirky normies now this is well-established

>>96132795
My politics are not of the right and if you started justifying noncing to me I'd just knock you the fuck out. More extremely online weirdness

>>96132921
1. You can push the mantra as hard as you like, it's not the Eught that has people like Vaush backing it, or "age is just a number"/"love is love" as a catchphrases, or a habit of dressing young children in sexualised/drag outfits and getting them to "perform" at pride parades.
2. The Internet tough guy act is funny. Post physique. And models whilst your at it, I've posted some of my hobby stuff, it's your turn now.

Getting back on topic, I find gw has moved away from its soulful roots, as have a lot of the competitive scene games. Stuff like "pre defined matched setups", "fixed objective locations", and the ubiquitous L shaped ruin kill the game, whilst the push to monopose minis, and fixed loadouts, is killing the creative aspect.
Which is why I'm glad i moved away from this nonsense and now play better games with people whom enjoy a fun board over a mirror matched play area.

>>96133043
I'm not pushing any mantra, I just said if you tried to justify paedophilia to me, I'd break your face.

>>96133043
>I've posted some of my hobby stuff

Those boxes? Are you doing a bit? Are you parodying a chud or is this what they are like, now?

>>96114898 (OP)
america happend. its the americansation and its the death of al individuality and progress. america=retardation

>>96133821
This is weirdly amplified in tabletop. I had an unusually good impression of Americans from my work as hard working, polite pragmatists with wholesome, simple privacy as a strong value, but having dealt with them a lot in tabletop there are a lot of opportunists and, well, just generally gross vulgarians who think reading is gay and bathing is for communists. They have main character syndrome and consider themselves minor celebrities and will literally bitch about each other and drag you into their Byzantine dramas online if you don't maintain some distance. They are all paranoid and inward looking and live in towns with one gas station and hate walking so most are nogames.

They all need to be shipped to Fat Camp and be beaten with birch branches.

>>96114898 (OP)
Imagine getting the chance to play a round of war gaming with Gov. Tarkin? Get a chance to talk about his time in the Hammer films, and Star Wars?

>>96133821
>>96133876
>America isn't brought up at all
>people still can't help themselves and seething about it at every opportunity.
Rent. Free.

>>96133915
All the shitty posts on /tg/ are made around now which is your evening lol

>>96131782
That's convention players the overlap with general players isn't huge, for better or worse.
>>96131825
Not quoted but I don't think TC would have as much ire directed it's way if any kind of critique about it weren't heavily moderated for months. (unrelated to the discord spergs those came later)
Personally all I think about it is that I find the setting and art not to my taste and there aren't any factions i'd actually want to play as, model or paint. Nothing with the levity or distance that something like 40k factions have to complement the edge.
I also hate the look of the Inq28 mudcore stuff but I get that that's not mandatory.
>>96133882
More like imagine getting to play with Van Helsing.
By most accounts he was a very genteel, pleasant and witty man and his non-acting videos echo that.
I imagine he'd be more interested in discussing Napoleonics history rather than his acting work though.

>>96134027
Didn't recognize him at first being so young lol

>>96133882
anybody here ever played with the Little Wars rules?

>>96132795
Dude, that's just opposite of reality? Nonces been legal in far right circles for decades and they been in power for a long time.
The whole MAP pride thing was manufactured thing, they even admit it, you feel for a distraction tactic, you fucking idiot
Also, dude, chuds love pedophiles in their circles, why tou think half of their "influencer" types are ones, I see you got battletech, so it's quite likely you already know at least one yourself....

>>96133043
Mate, the whole bit about "dressing kids up and sexualising them" is not a pride bit, it's...actually conservative christian one. You really aren't tied to reality it seems.
Also, I will be honest, shouting about physique posting comes off as a bit someone being gay but in denial.

>click on thread
>scroll down
>people arguing about trannies and pedophilia
It's like I'm really on /v/!

>>96136508
I hate /v/ermin and /pol/fags so much

>>96122961
This.
How dare flamboyant artpunk freaks flaunt themselves playing games and making shit in front of good, respectable armchair wargamers?

>>96134561
outside of firing a popgun as some toy soldiers, no.

>>96119357
>ncreasingly weird Grimdark aesthetic in both sci-fi and fantasy
is this why Army Painter did an Entire John Blanche Paint set?
feels somewhat ironic

>>96138724
>artpunk
That's just a synonym for nogames who try and sell books with no gaming content.

>>96138946
The coffee table game book will always be an easy way to get money from an audience that does not nor will ever play a game or paint a model.

>>96114898 (OP)
Been playing 40k for a year and I haven't encountered any of these issues, in fact people are far cooler than anyone I've met playing TCGs.
I bet you don't even play or paint minis fag.

>>96114898 (OP)
If you simplify a subject enough that anyone can engage with it, 99% of people will engage with it at exactly that level.

>>96119388
I dig this dude

>>96114928
The objective circles are the worst for me, even worse than the shitty terrain

>>96114898 (OP)
This pasta:
>only plays games to fit into some cheap make-believe tribe and family substitute; treats the game like a job, whinges about "wasting time" and "efficacy" in something he chose to engage in
>only plays "popular" games and forces himself to like them, doesn't understand that he becomes a cog in the astroturfing apparatus
>all his criticism of soulful niche games always boils down to "[game] is not like [popular game]"; destroys the niche and bullies developers -- acts like and becomes a sub-human locaust
>all his criticsm of soulless popular games always boils down to the latest corpo-crowdsourced superficial controversy; ignores all else (assetflipping, predatory and deceptive marketing, cancerous MTX, ...) and doles out unconditional praise otherwise -- acts like and becomes a sub-human dungbeetle
>dumps a fortune into modern turbo-slop, is oblivious about himself incentivizing corporate to churn out more turbo-slop; replaces his hobby with mindless consumption, wonders why he's burned out and broke
>(...)
Fits every hobby in [current year], especially videogames.

>>96148863
This and the OP greentext are just asking for a Goofus and Gallant version.

>>96115026
>I swear trench crusade fanboys are worse than 40kucks at this point
There's a reason the 40kchuds were gatekeeping against those retards

>>96115229
Worse, it's made by Redditors for discord trannies

>>96114926
Make wargames socially unpalatable again. If the buy-in is too cheap, gamers of convenience flock in and buy out the market.

Yes OP, all your friends got families and are now too busy to keep playing wargames with you. It's sad, I know, but it's not the end of the world

>>96134027
>I imagine he'd be more interested in discussing Napoleonics history rather than his acting work though.
ywn spend an evening in a comfy english mansion, talking with Cushing about history while moving toy soldiers around the table

>>96115003
>>96115252
>TC finally helped to get some of my friends into wargaming
>It motivated me to start making some proper terrain for our games
>One of them even started painting minis recently, for years I've been the only person into this in our group
>We're meeting for it regularly, playing a 6 person campaign with narratives battles and generally having lots of great time.
>...
>Meanwhile every single thread or discussion about TC I see online almost immediately devolves into screeching, bitching and shitstorm about God knows what
I hate the modern internet so fucking much

>>96153596
It's the end result of game that makes no-game fags angry by telling them to stop being fucking weirdos and grow up and either make shit or shut up.

>>96131782
The average DM.

>>96125954
post face

>>96131782
What is that man in the blue dress shirt wearing in lieu of a tie? One of my professors wore something similar to every lecture last year and I'm very curious as to what it is.

>>96160550
that is a bolo tie

>>96160560
Ah, excellent! Thank you, anon, you've answered a question that has been eating at me for a long time.

>>96120621
>redditor has trouble with 4chan
Tale as old as time. Back to your upbox

>>96131664
>if you dont like the changes I want to make you're an evil gatekeeper
>if you dont prioritize the retcons I do you're also an evil gatekeeper
>I am very smart

>>96114898 (OP)
I use unpainted terrain because I'm a poorfag still stuck studying and the terrain belongs to my friend who seems to adamantly refuse to paint it. I'd love to make cool boards and what not, but I have nowhere to store the pieces.
At least I always try to arrange them in an order that makes sense.
It sucks, but such is my situaton.