Countdown Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96095697

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>Thread Question
Last predictions

>>96116068 (OP)
>tq
Chaos dwarves, nighthaunt pity hero

>>96116068 (OP)
>Last predictions
Going out on a limb here and guessing there will be a reveal of Chaos Duardin.

>>96116068 (OP)
Chorfs: The release is widely liked
Dont care about the rest

>>96116086
I heard we might get some nurgle stuff, we'll see if they show it already. Feel like they're going to want to focus on chorf stuff though.
>>96116068 (OP)
>TQ
Chorfs, nh & fec pity heroes
Hopefully a new roadmap
Potentially some CoS proxies that can be used from tow

>>96116068 (OP)
I hope the CoS wave 2 is real, a cogfort centerpiece would be really cool.
The lion manticore chick was clearly meant to be that, but they shot themselves in the foot so hard by not giving her a generic version.

Re-postan so we'll see how this holds up!
>>96116068 (OP)
>TQ
Chorfs, and maybe some Khorne/FEC stuff? FEC hero maybe?
>>96115972
Not those anons, while I agree that the like is too vague to extrapolate concrete information from, -that is how Whitefang confirms or denies things.
So we don't know which iconic style it is, or if Whitefang's comparison is even accurate. But we know Whitefang confirms he thinks it's the same style (as (?)-style).
>>96116092
>Remember that this is the same guy who got a necron combat patrol leaked, but assumed it was for admech because he literally didn't recognize any of the necron unit names lmao.
That is fucking hilarious. Actually unbelievable as a Warhammer fan.
I like spears for Dwarfs, but not for Chorfs. Would love sabers/curved swords, or great axes for them.

>>96116150
Khorne's already revealed

Tomorrow...

Hashut! Hashut! Hashut!! The Bull full of Hatred. Father Darkness is coming!!!

Ordering from GW since I'm getting the + model and trying to think of some generally useful things to get while I'm at it. Is Kislev Flesh a good color for painting up paler skin? Rakarth Flesh is way too pale. Are the texture pastes worth it? I'd only get the really cracked earth looking ones or maybe the snow.
Anything else in general I should pick up while I'm at it that's just generally good to have?

>KO ships lose fly high, cover, and transport rules in the armies of renown

these designers are actually retarded.

SPIDER INCARNATE SWEEP
IT'S NOW OR NEVER

>>96116150
I could see a marine only tard like valrak confusing fireglaives for spears maybe ? I'm hoping for classic bardiche type axes myself.

Also, while we're debating possible chorf aesthetics I just remembered the wildcard option : hellcannon crew chorfs.

I really hope gw revisits armies of renown in the future. Seeing that white dwarf list for tzeentch blows everything that came out in 4e out of the fucking water.

>>96116197
> I could see a marine only tard like valrak confusing fireglaives for spears maybe ?
The fat fuck is the type to do that.

>>96116201
i legitimately think the main studio writers right now are too incompetent to make them work. they are like 0-12 for unplayable armies of renown. not a single good one amongst all the tomes released so far, and more than a few have had rules so completely botched that they actually do not mechanically function and need massive day 1 errata just to work as intended because they were written so poorly and with so little quality control and testing.

>>96116208
They have spears bro, they're short and need the reach. Its not complicated.

>>96116201
The pyrofane CoS thing, right? Seemed cool as fuck yeah.
>>96116225
Nta but let me have my copium. If the spears don't have axeheads attached to them i don't want em

>>96116241
Its a beaut

Imagine the reaction of this general when they show something like pic related

>>96116068 (OP)
>TQ
Any idea when the traditional silhouettes/link to livestream will be posted.
That'll be the real REAL last chance for predictions.

>>96116280
kino.

>>96116280
Personally, i will be really happy. That metal circles beard is SOOOOO chorf, i love it.
I will be fucking mad if chorfs end looking like that train dwarf with horns from last thread.

>>96116280
I like this guy, he's cool

a little napkin math on the thunderers puts them at about a 25% damage loss compared to index without khemist, and a 30% damage loss if you factor in the khemists lost buff as well, which has them now (if they remain costed similarly to what they currently are) at well over 30 points per point of damage. unbuffed naked liberators are around 20 ppd, so they are about 50% worse damage for the points as liberators. skywardens, depending on weather they get to shoot or not, are around 10-13ppd, so roughly 3x the damage output for the same points as thunderers.

astoundingly pillow fisted. among the worst damaging units in the game barring wizard bonks

>>96116280
I will join the tow shitposters. I'm sorry but this guys looks like shit. Coin beard is the only cool thing about him.
>>96116422
Didn't watch any of the battletome leaks yet, how fucked are they ?

>>96116068 (OP)
>TQ
>AoS
Chaos Dwarf full army reveal (It'll be a fantastic updating of the old aesthetic, a handful of people will try to act like it sucks but it won't stick because everybody will be pretty happy with it)
Nighthaunt pity hero (It'll be OK. NH players will complain that they didn't get a big monster or an updating of one of the old kits but be generally happy with the new hero as it is)
FEC pity hero (it'll look fuckin sick and FEC Players will be happy.)

>Underworlds
Another Kurnothi Warband (One of those warbands that has a main guy and a bunch of smaller or weaker support models. At least two animals. It will be pretty cool but the hosts talking about "good doggos" will be fucking annoying)

>TOW
A new Arcane Journal focused on a conflict between two existing armies, with an army of infamy for each. It will be accompanied by at least one new plastic kit for each of the armies, starting the incredibly long and uneven process of updating the ancient WFB plastics into stuff that looks as nice as Cathay

>>96116505
>a handful of people will try to act like it sucks but it won't stick because everybody will be pretty happy with it)
God help us if there's one with not-white skin or a woman chorf, the shitposting will be beyond annoying. It's gonna be a good update, though.

>>96116422
Comparing a shooting unit to melee output.
They do the same damage per point as fusiliers. They do the same as blissbarbs with their pathetic 6+ save.

>>96116422
Liberators have crit (mortal), they're not exactly pillowfisted units for their cost even if they're not meta.
Ranged units generally should be less points efficient in terms of damage, otherwise they'd just be strictly superior to melee units since they can inflict damage without being swung back at.

That isn't to justify the KO nerfs, but only to say that comparing ranged to melee has its issues.

At long last, a full unit of Freeguild Cavaliers complete!

>>96116197
>confusing fireglaives for spears maybe ?
This was my copium too. I quite like Fireglaives though.
Bardiches are kino as well.
>hellcannon crew chorfs.
As a spin on Azgorh chorfs, I quite like the mask aesthetic. Some people have had very good aesthetic takes on this throughout the years.
Pic related.
>>96116280
I would be having a very bad day indeed.
>>96116422
That is gay, and GW are cowards.

>>96116576
Wow, good job. Love the basing.

>>96116505
Why so many pity heroes? Why this trend goes and goes?

>>96116576
Lovely colours anon

>>96116546
NTA, we are comparing a standard solider with an elite dwarf marksman, equipped with a gun that is so technologically advanced it defines the tech limits of the setting.
They should be expensive and shoot good. They should be the outlier or exception to the "rule" of mediocre shooting.

>>96116609
>waah they aren't overpowered

>>96116547
most melee hammer units sit somewhere around 10-18ppd. most ranged hammer units are somewhere around 15-25. for example, freeguild fusiliers are at 23.5 ppd. new thunderers exact figure, assuming they remain the same points, would put them at 35.4ppd

so they are, rounding off the decimals, 34% lower damage output for the same points as fusiliers.

all of this is a damage to points calculation, so if those new points drop to like 90/5, they will actually be on par with fusiliers for damage output per points, but if they stay even close to the same, they rank among the worst units in the game for damage. they also do not have access to any buffs or combos whatsoever. even the khemist was reworked to only affect arkanaut company specifically now.

>>96116593
>Why so many pity heroes? Why this trend goes and goes?
Before GW invented the idea of pity heroes armies would just get nothing for years on end. The pity hero means that every army gets at least one new model every three years.

>>96116134
They shot themselves in the dick by making both big named characters black women. Anglos gonna do weird Anglo race fetish shit I guess.

>>96116585
>>96116595
cheers anons

They're really nice models but they have so much detail. I'm not looking forward to painting the other five

>>96116609
aethershot weapons are the lasguns of AoS. They're nice because they can use the same material that KOs mine all day as ammunition. They don't necessarily hit much harder than equivalent blackpowder.
No one outside of the KO use aethershot guns (even small ones like pistols) because getting aether-gold is a pain in the ass for anyone except them.

>>96116663
>by making both big named characters black women.
Granted, the priest is the skeleton on the back. The front is an illusion.

>>96116546
>They do the same damage per point as fusiliers.

>>96116656
>so they are, rounding off the decimals, 34% lower damage output for the same points as fusiliers.

We're getting mixed messages here.

>>96116681
The front is at the front

>>96116693
I heh'd

>>96116690
because he's adding buffs.

>>96116663
they're not both black. the priest is, but the lady on the manticore is like middle eastern or indian or something. the name talia is a middle eastern name so she is probably meant to be vaguely arabic or jewish, in so much as anything in the flat disk elemental planes of age of sigmar can be compared to real world nations and ethnicities

Somebody did a big rumor round up on Youtube, and reliable leaker Whitefang said a Cogfort is coming, and another albeit less reliable guy said that GW has been working on "the biggest plastic kit in Warhammer" and described it as "a cathedral on legs.

My worry with a Cogfort kit is that they'd make it too small, which would kinda ruin their image in the lore. But if they do a Cogfort and it's like, the size of two Baneblades stacked on top of each other, that would be so fucking sick

>>96116698
Didn't he just say thunderers can't get buffed for some reason

>>96116690
go punch in the numbers for yourself

you can use this
https://aos-statshammer.herokuapp.com/
to get an average damage figure for a given unit against a specific save target (for all my math i go for the 4+ save target as its pretty much the most common)

then, take your point value per unit increment, divide by the average damage per round of your units profile, and you get the points value you have to pay per point of damage the unit is dealing.

this is the best way to actually convert aos units that vary in size and value and put them on an even value field regardless of their points cost or unit size per increment.

>>96116134
>>96116663
You're both right.
Those two plus the "Archaon's lieutenant" lady stand out because they're so obviously masculine characters with a genderswap. It's so uninspired.
It contrasts so badly to powerful feminine characters like Morathi, Olynder and Alarielle.
Having a masked generic version that could be either sex would at least save that beautiful manticore.

A cogfort would be pretty awesome, but I doubt we're eating that good tomorrow.

>>96116717
they lost their only buff yes, apart from all out attack which you for sure arent wasting on the thunderers

>>96116703
It's going to be the faction's scenery piece.

>>96116717
Buffed fusiliers. Complaints are irrelevant until there are points anyway. 100 point Thunderers would have people taking 50 of them.

>>96116739
>Having a masked generic version that could be either sex would at least save that beautiful manticore.
It sucks because they did that exact thing with fusiliers, steelhelms and cavaliers. There are separate bodies that can either be female or male depending on what head you pop on. Even the new Cadians are like that.

The model itself could stay just how it is (maybe throw a couple extra heads in), but a generic profile would be all that's necessary. The marshal on griffon doesn't do the same thing (no poison tail attack, different base size), so it's not the cleanest proxy.

>>96116703
I saw the same video. The guy has receipts for where all the tumor blurbs are from too.
The "biggest plastic kit ever" rumor is ancient if I recall correctly.
I'm probably mixing it up, but I thought that was for the forge world Thorne dragon from ages ago.
If it was the cogfort then godspeed to them.
>>96116746
Ah fuck, please no.

>>96116749
>Buffed fusiliers

given that cities of sigmar cant take 2 steps without tripping over a free +1 to hit buff, thats hardly a concession.

Does anyone know a good substitute for a bloodthirster? I hate the regular jumping pose. I converted a verminlord as one, and I made a converted skarbrand as another, but I am looking for something for the large axe one and a stand in for the flail one.

>>96116758
>Ah fuck, please no.
You know it's the truth.

>>96116701
Tahlia reads indian to me, her mace especially has a kind of indian design
I actually think both are fairly interesting characters fluffwise but if gw was smart they probably should've made at least one named character your classic souf fc lad like picrel
>>96116703
Small correction but the cogfort thing is from whitefang back me up, not whitefang proper. Still has a good track record though, although irrc the cogfort thing is quite old ?
>>96116746
God I hope not

>>96116773
That's just Adam Troke.

>>96116280
The beard is interesting but overall it’s quite shit

>>96116761
The internal balance of those two armies are pretty different, though. CoS are a very slow moving castle with some fast cavalry, KO are all about speed and positioning.

Fusiliers and cavaliers are the only real source of damage for human CoS, almost everything else is just support. That may or may not be true for the new KO book, I have no idea. But there's a reason why fusiliers can get buffed a ton.

>>96116773
>but if gw was smart they probably should've made at least one named character your classic souf fc lad like picrel
If there was a Karl Franz/Louen equivalent for CoS, I think you'd see more support for them as a faction from the playerbase. Putting non-charismatic/forced-charismatic characters at the front and center that nobody actually likes isn't smart when AoS needs as much good will as it can get.

>>96116761
>>96116749
>>96116656
fusiliers also have to stand still to not halve their own damage, and in 4.0 they can only move 3" with an officer's order without giving up their fortified position.

>>96116773
they've already got toll and van denst, plus the cavalier marshal, fusil major, and on foot marshal are all regular native english folk of anglo descent.

im tired of hearing the argument that there isnt anglo representation in cities, its full of it. the whole thing just stinks of "noticing isnt racism" dogwhistles.

>>96116812
or use the pontifex teleport

>>96116761
Its not free, it is a concession. I take an ogre I'm not taking a command core or cavaliers etc.

>>96116817
Toll and Ven Denst aren't faction leaders, and are only nominally part of the same army at all.
The Dawnbringers books got to the point where one of the climactic battles was between two black women and an Indian woman. It's jarring and feels forced.

>>96116817
>they've already got toll and van denst
after blackwashing callis and making a black witch hunter for underworld

>plus the cavalier marshal, fusil major, and on foot marshal
these are not special characters

>>96116817
White is the norm.
Nonwhites are not meant to be a significant percentage.

>>96116767
I'm assuming you want to stay between gw approved lines here, if not there's quite a bit of third party bloodthirsters out there (most are kind of shit imo).
You could try and find some of the old forgeworld bloodthirster kits floating around on the secondhand market. There's also the named horus heresy one but I think he's pretty big and absurdly expensive if you want to purchase him the official way (very cool model though)
As for conversion, maybe you can make belakor work ? Can also try angron, but will require getting rid of some of the 40k stuff.
>>96116817
I get what you're saying but they're talking about the two (only) named characters introduced during their intial release wave. I don't care about named characters either way but I think a not!karl would've helped rope normies in a bit more

>>96116767
Skarbrand's kit apparently works easily with the jumping BT kit.

How do you even play CoS?

I've seen them played quite a bit, but they almost always just get steamrolled without any real issue from the other side. Their shooting works for one turn before the lines collide and they're stuck doing nothing.
The cavalry is the same way, they can hit hard on the charge but once it's over (or God forbid, they get charged themselves) it's game over for them.

Steelhelms were the worst of all, I can't even begin to understand what the point of them is. They're too expensive to spam but have no damage potential at all, while not being particularly tanky. If you just need chaff to screen, then fusiliers seem to do the same job just as well for barely any more points.

>>96116823
there's a prayer for +1 to hit in shooting as well. if you're telling me you dont take a fusil major or a priest or a hurricanum in an army that is entirely 4+ to hit, i just dont believe you.

>>96116422
I get the feeling they'll still be seen somehow. Haven't read the new book, but I don't think it's ever GW's intention that KO just wipes the other army off the board by turn 3, but more scalpel approach. My ushoran doesn't give a shit about 40 fusiliers, but having his ward busted and shot by 6 different KO units sucks.

>>96116752
>It sucks because they did that exact thing with fusiliers, steelhelms and cavaliers
That makes it even more infuriating.

>>96116881
CoS is a horde army in a centerpiece game. It's basically best seen as a ranged army that D-Days people with some cav to pick up the pieces.

>>96116767
>Does anyone know a good substitute for a bloodthirster?

I don’t want Cogfort Knights in AoS

>>96116884
Hurricanum is melee, it doesn't matter if you take it that doesn't make it free. That's like saying stormcast get "free" +1 hit because 140 point vigilors exist.

They cant turn the Cogfort into scenery. That would be an insult!!

>>96116881
Yeah I've not seen them be very succesful irl either
However they're supposedly a great tournament army, but when taking a look at top lists it's weird shit like 3 units of command corps etc. Cavaliers seem widely used, as are cannons, and zenestra is in like every list. Not how the average person plays cities but apparently they're pretty powerful in the right hands.

>>96116893
thats the problem though. their only role now is ward stripping, which is once per turn (army), so its a giant fuck you to every kharadron player who owns 20+ of them (which is anyone who played during 1st or 2nd edition) and you'll likely only see a single 5 man msu unit riding in a gunhauler for their utility debuff, and not for their damage.

it just really sucks because they were the armies premier elite damage unit. the kharadrons equivalent of like chaos chosen. and now they're like the equivalent of a chaos sorcerer, you'll probably see one in a lot of lists, but you probably wont see more than 150 pts of them ever again.

>>96116881
This doesn't sound like 4th ed. They have some of the strongest cav and melee infantry in the game and don't even need to shoot.

>>96116767
You can convert angron into a normal bloodthirster

>>96116928
this is what people said about squigherd in the index and that was completely wrong.

>>96116931
I'm speaking of only human CoS, I can see why dwarves/elves infantry can murder things.

I've seen cavaliers kill things on the charge but going back down to 3/4+/4+/-1/1 after is pretty underwhelming.

Hey come here kids here is how you make CoS nowadays:
Step one: Erase all fucking non-humans kick them out of the cities, Free Cities are for human only. The only thing that should remain are “civilized” ogors
Step two: Expand onto the “human army” niche make cool knights add more warriors, more cavalry etc.
That’s it

>>96116927
>Cavaliers seem widely used, as are cannons, and zenestra is in like every list. Not how the average person plays cities but apparently they're pretty powerful in the right hands.
It feels like cannons and fusiliers swap places in the CoS meta every battlescroll update.

>>96116925
They can and they will and it will be made in china with inferior moulds and plastic than normal kits, and it will be relatively cheap for its size and also so huge it couldn't have possibly ever been able to move onto a battlefield or fielded in pairs or trios, but most importantly, it will be obligatory for all the inner cities of sigmar because it will cost 0 points!

>>96116940
I don't even mind having dwarves in CoS, I'm just hesitant to blow $80 on hammerers when they seem like they're going to be removed sooner rather than later.

>>96116946
>it will be obligatory for all the inner cities of sigmar because it will cost 0 points!
did you miss that faction terrain can cost points now

>>96116950
i wouldnt spend a dime on any of those old world bound units

>>96116939
All cav off the charge is underwhelming, they actually have red work and teleport to deal with it. Humans use command core and callis and toll as infantry. CC is busted with the brazier artifact because it can bring back 3-9 wounds with a 5+ ward every turn and they're cheap and do decent damage.

>>96116950
im fairly positive what that anon said will happen, sooner or later those dark elfs will go to dock, and the dispossessed… probably will go the boc way?

>>96116950
yeah sucks, statistically Longbeards are also really really good with orders for their cost.

>>96116940
I would split CoS into techno oligarchy power of steam Free Cities army and Order of Azyr religious Stormcast chaser/Wheel zealots army

>>96116958
>CC is busted with the brazier artifact because it can bring back 3-9 wounds with a 5+ ward every turn and they're cheap and do decent damage.
See, I think this is an issue because the command corp aren't meant to be the elite, tanky infantry so most new players won't assume to get multiple units (and Toll) to use as their front line.

>>96116969
>>96116956
>>96116961
If they made a CoS specific equivalent of hammerers/longbeards, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. Don't care if they're dwarves or humans.

>>96116998
i think its likely you'll see the greatsword equivalent foot knights first, but i think it would be hard to completely erase cities dwarfs and elfs, so they may get units

>>96117012
I'm fine with either. I guess command corps already perform that role as-is. If they weren't composed of 3 separate base sizes, it would be easy to just bash a unit like that together and proxy them as CCs.

The forces of Order are being carried by the Lummys and Stormcasts

>>96117012
What I wouldn't give for a unit of animal themed knights.

>>96117012
Those knights designs were superb, hope instead of Cog shit they focus more into those kind of designs

>>96117023
if the CoS wave 2 is on the same scale as the lumineth wave 2, you may just get both

>>96117020
Nobody likes your people Tyrion and you neither.

>>96116998
I dunno is it a big deal. If they remove the scrolls there will be some new replacement to use the models as, whether you have bret foot knights, greatswords, or dwarves, or cathay or whatever.

>>96117023
>hope instead of Cog shit they focus more into those kind of designs
When have we been threatened with Cog Knights?

>>96117036
I don't own a ToW dwarf army, and they'd be on rounds so they wouldn't even be immediately compatible.

>>96117023
nuCoS designs are already disappointing.

I'm going to buy the old Delf models before they're squatted and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

>>96116280
I'm fine with basically anything as long as it doesn't look like the stupid old ones

>>96117052
The harsh truth is that steelhelms/fusiliers absolutely mog the plastic state troops boxes that they replaced.
Greatswords always looked awesome, and it was a shame they never let Empire core troops look as cool unless you were lucky enough to get Nuln Ironsides or Manann's Blades.

>>96117067
Yeah, at the price of being way too ornate for something you need to paint 120 of. Guardsmen seem to be a happy medium, I don't know why Freeguild stuff couldn't be

>>96117072
120? you're lucky to find CoS list with 10 steelhelms.

>>96117055
And you will use them as…? They will be useless by that time

>>96117072
I didn't have much issue painting mine, but mine are all Greywater so it's mostly black -> brown -> silver -> yellow which isn't too bad with newer yellow paint that has good coverage.

>>96117052
You talked like a ToW big dick pajamas empire soldier enjoyer, anon, that’s awful

>>96117082
In Warcry. If it's killed GW can't squat them

>>96117072
>Yeah, at the price of being way too ornate for something you need to paint 120 of.
I like how paintlets level this criticism at anything that is more complicated than a space marine

>>96117052
It's the soul vs soulless narrowed down beautifully.

>>96117079
State missile troops were a thing too anon
>>96117083
Gives me hope at least, that's what I'm doing for mine
>>96117119
Bro I don't want a character's worth of detail on chaff. I'll gladly fucking take paintlet status for that opinion, fuck all that shit it's a fucking game.

>>96117067
They make the ugly ape-men look appealing. That's honestly impressive.

>>96117149
>Gives me hope at least, that's what I'm doing for mine
Base wraithbone, hit all the cloth with black. Hit all the leather and non-painted wood brown. Do all the silver. Slap some imperial fist on the shields/banners. Wash everything in the appropriate wash for its color.

You don't have to do it with contrasts, but besides the metallics these models are *very* easy paint with contrasts. Not a lot of places for it to pool.

>>96116950
>>96116956
You can just proxy them later on why are you acting like it’s an issue.

>>96117294
If the base sizes change, for one

>>96117297
You can just rebase?

>new khorne AOR is all hero's
If its better than the shitheap that was the AOR for soulblight I might get into that. Then again being better than scions nu-lameia isnt hard so maybe I should find a new metric...

>>96117052
I quite like them

>>96117020
Fuck you, you killed the best edition of AoS

>>96117072
>Yeah, at the price of being way too ornate for something you need to paint 120 of.
Speaking as a very slow painter, Steelhelms are insanely quick to paint. They were made for Contrast

>>96117052
>that pic of the sacrosanct on the Pegasus
God 5th edition cant come back soon enough to refresh that fucker.

>>96117020
You misspelled Morathi

Why did GW get rid of the guides on the store site that told you what particular colors individual paints went into making? It was a nice thing to see potential uses for paints and how they work with others.

>>96116817
I dont want real world minorities in my fantasy game unless theyre some kind of fantasy race
Humans should be white

>>96117421
They moved them all to the Citadel colour app and actually made them correctly

>>96117149
>Bro I don't want a character's worth of detail on chaf

hardly. its metal, cloth, a bit of wood and skin tone. 4 colors and a transfer and you're done, hit it with a wash and the details take care of themselves.

unironically sounds like you have a skill issue on your brush game

>>96117503
Okay? I want a million dollars. Doesn't mean I'm getting it.

stormkeep discord has the KO and khorne full rules pinned in the leaky pipeline channel

>>96117055
Probably smart, honestly. While they exist in limbo between games, provided they aren't still for sale on the website, their resale value will increase.

>>96117055
They’re selling the metals?

>>96117055
There’s no real point of buying anything but maybe the dragon kit right now because it’ll be cheaper when it’s reboxed for TOW. Dragon will probably go up $15-20 and everything else will drop by 10-20% off current price per model going off TOW pricing.

>>96117678
nta, but if they ever do expand OW with dark elves, they'd need to do so for at least witch elves and cauldron etc that are currently in DoK? Unless I guess they plan to update those for DoK before doing so

>>96117149
>Bro I don't want a character's worth of detail on chaf
Are we really potato sack posting in 2025

>>96117718
Ow already shares kits with Aos for goblins.

New clanrats proved that it's possible to have well-detailed minis that are still very easy to paint. They just need to not be retarded when designing the models.

>>96117731
which? I thought they rereleased the ancient night goblin plastics specifically for this reason

>>96117731
Given GW apparent policy I'm surprised Goblins have survived this long.

>>96117741
Fanatics and some other stuff.
>>96117746
Ain’t no point in fear mongering over something that’s not happening anytime soon anyways.

>>96117741
Fanatics
Mangler squigs
Spiders (for now...)
River and stone trolls

>>96117731
No ToW gets the far more soulful old goblins. The 8th edition fantasy night goblins lost a lot of character compared to these older sculpts which looks incredibly animated in a good way.

I'm so scared bros. My heart's been broken so many times before.

>>96117821
If the rumours are true chaos dwarfs are a stolen project from old world so they will retain their classic charm without any gay contemporary reimaginings/redesigns.

>>96117836
Those aren’t rumors those are just copes

TWO grognards's asses shaking with cope and jealousy because AoS have chorfs.

>>96117849
Why cope? We have rules for them too. I’m excited and hope they keep the classic designs so I can start an army of them for fantasy.

>>96117849
>console war posting

>>96117861
They will look absolutely nothing like the classic designs and they will deliberately make passing the new units as a TOW unit as difficult as possible.

Age of Sigmar Rumours

1. Nurgle: A major wave of releases, rumoured to be "gorgeous". Likely a rework of the Pestogors, as well as some resculpts (likely Plaguebearers).

2. Wraiths: A small release. Possibly some alchemists.

3. Khorne: The Daemon Prince Khul will be released, but in an expansion.

4. Ghouls: A small release. Terrorgheist will not be reworked, but will remain available-in stock.

5. Cities of Sigmar: The second wave in this expansion (Mechanoford), focus on humans, dark elves excluded.

6. Skaven: Eshin is still waiting for this expansion.

7. Sylvaneth: A Kurnoth-Belthanos-style underworld warband.

8. Chaos Dwarfs: 12 sets. There will be no Horns of Hashut (at least not in the main line), but there will be custom hobgoblins. The FB style will be recognizable - keeping the original aesthetic, but reworked - similar to how the High Elves became the Lumineth.

>>96117961
Source?

>>96117806
they look like cartoon shit, clashes with the entire rest of the game. They even clash with old world junk when I see them on tables, and so do the old world normal goblins.

There's a high probability a decent chorf release just sends all of FS and KO to the bin. Basically just does what they do better and cooler.

>>96118025
>KO

they literally just got a new wave of models less than a week ago. no

>>96117961
Fuck Nurgle was already ahead the curve on model terms but they lacked a complete army if they give them a suitable amount of new models Nurgle will finally become the best Chaos Army

>>96118025
Lmfao doomposters can be really retarded sometimes neither flavor of dwarfs is going anywhere

>>96117982
They are rumors, whether they are true or not will be seen in the future.

>>96118025
KO have the African dwarf fan demographic locked down.

>>96118113
goin nowhere but a landfill with all their unsold stock lol.

>>96117961
It's not clear at all why they need to resculpt the Plaguebearers. IMHO, but most likely, GW will remake them into something similar to the Plaguebearers from Warhammer 3 from the creatives and, accordingly, all the ulcers, open wounds and fallen out entrails will disappear. There will be nondescript green chubby creatures.

>>96118163
We’ve already seen what they might look like in the new underworlds team

I hope the Pestigors look like this.

Artist and author - 김다리미 Steam_Darimy
@wZUjOsTSlx83Uv6

Playing Warhammer Age of Sigmar Comic - 1

https://imgur.com/gallery/playing-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-comics-1-cG5hOZv

Playing Warhammer Age of Sigmar Comic - 2

https://imgur.com/a/YNpI75P

The artist's blog, where you'll find more comics.
They're in Korean, by the way.

https://blog.naver.com/whdgur010405

>>96118263
You had me at Korean

>>96118131
But rumors need to have a source to be that. "My uncle works at CA" or "A famous rumor-monger said that and he has a good track record." Otherwise it's just a prediction.

>>96117961
Sounds like you're mixing old news with shit nobody has ever said to make your fan fic more credible

>>96117640
Even if they don't, I like them. Play Delfs in Fantasy.

>>96117678
Nah, 8th ed still as CoS.

>>96117704
They're half the price of other kits here. $40 for Corsairs vs $100 for Melusai

>>96117718
I'm expecting a new WA replacement kit eventually. So have heaps of witch elves because I expect the new ones to be worse

>>96116086
>Nurgle Chaos Warrior analogue

what about the blight kings? honest question?

>>96118504
In tabletop terms they're equivalent to Chosen rather than Warriors.

>>96118504
They're more like chosen analogues
But the rumors about nurgle are getting hyped out of control: pestigors are definitely coming because they were straight up confirmed by a previous post, but whitefang's comment about the size of the release might simply be that one unit, one hero and one set of spells shouldn't be considered merely decent but magnificent already.

Nurgle doesn't need a large of models.

>>96116068 (OP)
Whatever the reveal, within hours new marching orders will be downloaded loaded by TOWdrones and they'll quetch about the first black Chorf they see

>>96118538
I hope there's an asian and indian dwarf too so I can make fun of the people that ignore that anglo race fetishism in contemporary Warhammer.

>>96118538
Black chaos dwarfs wouldn't be an issue
Mixed gender warrior units would be

But the shitposting won't come from TOW

>>96118532
>Nurgle doesn't need a large of models.
what is this communism, is there a list of the hierarchy of needs?

If every race isn't represented in the Chaos Dwarfs I will be upset and will write an angry letter to Nottingham threatening to expose their racism.

I hope we get cute chorf harridan girls.

>>96117836
That's not a rumor, lmao

>>96117961
You mis-quoated the video M8.

>>96118577
I hope we get no girls in Chorfs at all. But I'm expecting unisex units.

>>96118263
If you enter the blog, the Age of Sigmar comics start on page 6 or 7, I think.

>>96118563
Yes

Nurgle dudes have models that are either perfectly fine or stellar, their roster is already varied, and at most they're missing spells and for the maggot lords to be made into generic heroes rather than special characters nobody wants or cares about

>>96118714
Still waiting on Grotbag Scuttlas

If I bought all the boxes of all the editions so far, how much money would I spend?

>>96118731
Currently, and with US inflation, it would be about 30,000 or 50,000 Trump dollars, which would be about 50 pounds sterling.

>>96118562
>Mixed gender warrior units would be
Why. They're magical evil dwarves. Is it really so hard to believe there couldn't be jacked, magic evil dwarf ladies?

>>96118724
that's part of the secret needs corners

>>96118538
It will be funnier on day 2 or 3 when one of those retards re-downloads the Discord spam folder and all his images have (1) at the end of file names again

>>96118774
>Why
Magical evil dwarfs don't need to be moral when it comes to gender equality, and dwarfs look best when uniform and with beards.
The only instance when female dwarfs look like they belong is when they're either given peculiar roles rather than dotted randomly in everything, or when they look practically indistinguishable from male dwarfs to the point they have fake beards up front.

>>96118774
It's incredibly hard to believe that if there are women they would be cool in any way instead of being lame ass fat ugly queer things, yes.

>>96118714
yeah but fuck every army not mine rofl.

>>96118208
I hope pestigors look like bugs instead of goats

>kharadron society is perfectly egalitarian
>normal dwarf gender distribution is one female dwarf for every 4 male dwarves
>female dwarfs are twice as represented in the groups that lost their jobs/ships/crews while also virtually absent in all groups that do their jobs competently and successfully
What did gw mean by this?

>>96118804
Right but it doesn't necessarily have to be about morals and can just be the individuals abilities being recognized regardless of genders.

>>96118877
>Right but it doesn't necessarily have to be about morals and can be [morals]

>>96118532
>Nurgle doesn't need a large of models.
Doesn't nurgle have like 12 kits total not counting alternate builds?

>>96118883
I don't think appreciating someone being really tough and good at murdering is an example of a moral decision

>>96118830
Beastmen untethered from being exclusively goat and bull variations would be unbelievably kino.

>>96118859
If you take a step back and look at these, then they're incredibly stupid and out of place as a medieval fantasy dwarf unit. Like past the point of recognition. I not a tow fag but its too far for me, its too hard to defend.

>>96118830
>dung beeteles pseudo-artilery throwing giant boulders at the enemy
Would be kino

9 hours!

>>96118935
That only makes sense if you forget AoS isn't medieval fantasy but rather a Planescape ripoff.
Same with TOW actually, since it's more early modern.

>>96118984
>a Planescape ripoff.
Hey now, there's also a wee bit of Spelljammer in there.

>>96119023
Aren't they basically the same thing but one has more boats?

>>96119034
They are different genre versions of the same idea. One is multiverse blind eternities portal hopping, and the other is sword and planet hopping space wizards

>>96118897
it is when you do so impartially and without prejudice, which you wouldn't do if you were evil

>>96118984
Meh the majority of everything in it fits right into tow without any changes. Its basically exclusively KO and IDK that are out of place with a non planar dnd inspired setting. The Vongrim Salvagers are indistinguishable from a 40k unit. The one chick is wearing straight up modern ski goggles.

>>96119112
IDK really are the odd duck aren't they? They're just so bizarre even compared to other AoS armies

>>96118939
Cinema
>>96119112
>>96119150
Are they that outlandish, more so than bonereapers or skaven ? Imo idk fit pretty well. I like them as elves that are outside the traditional light/dark/hippie triangle you usually see elves depicted in fantasy (including warhammer), although they still take elements from each.

>>96119205
Trye traditional dark elves are orcs

>>96118778
Vampchads stay winning.

>>96118923
they fucked up when they kept slaangors as goats instead of making chaos unicornmen or chaos fishmen or chaos snakemen
now even if they make pestogors as beetles and khornogors as hounds they'll forever have slaangors as the odd ones out

>>96119276
Slaagors being goats actually fits pretty well for slaanesh due to the association that goats have with some of the things slaanesh exemplifies.

>>96119276
hell, now that I think of it they fucked up enormously by making basic beastmen gors instead of diving the main beastmen archetypes amongst the 4 gods:

khorne gets bloodthirsty houndmen bullgors
slaanesh gets noble unicornmen centigors
nurgle gets shiteating bugmen ungors
tzeentch gets mutant birdmen gors

>>96119282
But goats is the norm already, the god aligned shit should be different.

>>96119289
Not anymore.

Are they ever going to release skellies and shitmob spearheads as their own seperate boxes or are they still expecting you to get the big boxes.
Reason I'm asking is that they supposedly gave space wolves their own spearhead box in 40k, they came out around the same time as skellies.

>>96119276
Slaangors are very obviously cows.
Size alone should clue you in that they aren't regular gosts

>>96119306
They have to releas this because it has a an exclusive kit
In fact i think they already did

>>96119321
>because it has a an exclusive kit
No it doesn't you schizo
>>96119306
They are rules only Spearheads, there is no box

>>96119352
For now at least. They'll probably get around to releasing them at some point. Probably when they decide to release a bunch of spearheads all at once.

>>96119352
Anon they changed the skeleton kit just for that box.
See the fag in the mask in the front of the right blob of skeletons? Go find him in the standard kit

>>96118360
These are all pretty much some variation of Whitefang rumors except for the UW stuff, which comes from a different leaker who is always 100% right about UW.

>>96116913
>>96116873
>>96116933
These are some good ideas. I'll look into dungeons and lasers. I like a lot of their dragon's but forgot some of their other models.
>>96116880
The conversion wan't that bad, yeah. I just had to use some greenstuff to fill in some gaps around the shoulder. I just hate using the same model or idea over and over again for big centerpieces.

>>96119376
based retard

>>96119314
it doesn't matter, they're not different enough

>>96116091
> Posts pic of FEC
That's a FEF pity hero

>>96116180
I can't tell you brother - when I go for pale skin, I go for the disgusting, unnatural pallid smear of Army Painter's Skeleton Bone.

>>96116663
> Both yessssss qweeeen
No, it's the manticore not having a generic version.

>>96119314
they should've went with unicorns

>>96119437
Bullgors don't exist anymore do they're the only minotaur beastmen now

>>96117982
OPs leaky asshole

>>96119453
>hey bro I'm gonna play Tahlia as a marshal on manticore with the same profile, only thing different is she can take enhancements.
>sure whatever, that's fine.

>>96116817
>just stinks of "noticing isnt racism" dogwhistles.
You think the tourists utilising your hobby for political point scoring, brought in by the Adeptus Astartes drama, aren't still sticking around and trying to get concessions wherever they can?

For every retarded "i hate nogs" 4channer, there's two or three outrage culture grifters trying to use some black Warhammer figure as proof that civilisation is falling, as if you don't get to paint the model however you fucking want. You can have a whole army of nogs, you can have your aryan race. In fact, it's your right to paint the black lady as a white lady.

it's also your reward that if you put your red armband army on the table, people might not want to play with you

>>96117149
>I don't want a character's worth of detail on chaff
I do, pussy, and Spearhead's the perfect excuse to put a lot of effort into your chaff because every model counts.

>>96119376
>>96119428
Anon that's the normal skellies they slightly remade to improve stability etc. The updated version has the deathmask, you can find him in the regular box too.

They'll never released the Gitmob spearhead because that's too much savings for Gitmob. Should've bought the army box when you had the chance

RISKY STRATEGY

>>96119569
SACRIFICE ONLY OPTION

>>96119569
>>96119580
Is this from the same korean webtoon person ? Looks fun.

>>96119580
FAILED SACRIFICE

>>96119498
>In fact, it's your right to paint the black lady as a white lady.
Doing that only result in an Albino black lady, don't pretend to be retarded. WH black people aren't just painted differently, they have black features.

>>96119587
NOTHING STOPS KROXIGOR

>>96119594
"oooh they have black features" go measure some skulls you troglodyte

>>96119607
You think black features don't exist?

>>96119598
Final Round

>>96118935
>I not a tow fag but its too far for me

>>96119615
failed move

>>96119594
Lol no. Planty of people paint them however they want and only time it didn't work was when some retard decide to paint Bastian sickly yellow like he's about to die of some tropical disaes and then blamed the sclupt on his inhuman colour choices

>>96119634
I understand the pain of that Stormfiend so well.

>>96119634
imminent defeat

>>96119656
I didn't realize Korea had a AoS scene.

>>96119637
Bastian is a fantastic model, but let's not kid ourselves anon. He has African features, like the nose and the lips, and it unironically looks a lot better if painted of a skintone associated with those features. Feel free to prove me wrong however.

>>96119660
I knew moon speakers are prelevant, because X is spammed with them, but i can't tell them appart

>>96119656
defeat in 3-2-1

>>96118263
Now this has potential.

>>96119662
>>96119645
Thank you anon but the entire Tome already leaked.

>>96119675
Then why haven't you posted it ITT >>>:^(

>>96119671
total defeat

>>96119569
This is fucking horrendous

>>96119686
Here
https://gofile.io/d/cDXhY5

>>96119675
nta, but I'm not going to watch some two hour video. If you have an actual readable leak for Khorne (Or KO or IDK) link it please.

>>96119689
epilogue

>>96118263
Best introduction to AoS I've seen

>>96119703
Here >>96119702
I also put Kharadrons there.

>>96119702
Whew that's a lot of dolphin smut

>>96119704
punishment

>>96119715
They are manatees you philistine

>>96119702
Thank you anon

So when does preview drop? I'm a euro so your magic timezone words mean nothing to me

>>96119742
There is a countdown on Warhammer community

>>96119689
>"16 to 18"
>"defeat like a dog!"
What? 16 to 18 is a good score

>>96119720
You can find the complete comic on the author's blog (the original comics are in Korean; I translated them with Google Translate).

>>96119720
>aos get a /tv/ adaptation
>its a comfy korean sports anime
I could live with this desu
>>96119742
In around 6 hours

>>96119702
>no healing around the bloodthirster
This outright breaks some armies.

Hehehe

>>96119763
And in case you're wondering, the author's blog is here:

https://blog.naver.com/whdgur010405

>>96119742
20:00 for CEST

>>96119837

>>96119702
>bloodcrushers have neither impact mortals nor charge +1 damage on either of their weapons
Huh? Mighty Skullcrushers went up to 10" move though, and kept both their impact hits and charge +1. Also, using the D6" out of combat move warlord trait with a bloodstoker is fucking funny, you can launch skullcrushers a pretty hilarious 16+D6 inches before they charge. 30 2+ save wounds doing pretty much guaranteed T1 charges, here we come.

>>96119857

>>96119879

>>96119896

>>96119702
>Gorechosen RoR gives:
>4+ ward to all units
>crit mortal to all units
>5+ roll not to die every time they would die
>an extra artifact,so you get BOTH the strike-first artifact (oh, and that one spreads to several units) AND the ARMY-WIDE +D3 attacks (which, by the way, you get your FOUR PLUS ward save against the mortals it deals)
Haha, holy fucking shit. They REALLY wanted this to be a thing. These rules are insane.

>>96119906

>>96119918

>>96119933
these are cute

>>96119787
Kinda reminds me of the old days when certain units specifically fucked over daemons and/or nighthaunt for flavor

>>96119863
RIP lord on juggernaut though. Hope it can be recreated in the Anvil.

>>96119702
Why do leakers never bother with the fluff or gallery sections?

>>96119994

>>96120022

>>96120007
Takes time to photo/scan and they're only interested in the rules.

>>96120044

>>96116505
I’ve been hearing rumours about pestigors too

>>96119702
people are going to go revel and cleave 99% of the time.

>>96120059

>>96120077

link the account and stop spamming faggot

>>96120072
Nothing is mutually exclusive, but I didn't see any way to get extra blood tithe, so having more three active in a single game is probably going to be rare. Going down the rightmost path definitely seems to be the default way to go if you don't need to shut down wizardry or counter heavy shooting. But no matter what, you're not reaching either of the bottom two options before round 4, which is pretty late (unless you somehow manage to get a blood tithe point before round 1).

>>96120109

>nobody poinitng out named Khul isn't in the book and the model is just a generic Mighty Lord

>>96120130
I'm still reading it dingus.

>>96120130
Anon, we got legend rules for Khul in last month's white dwarf. We already knew he wasn't going to be in this book.

>>96120123

>>96120136
We got whacky tripple Khul drifting in WD, i wouldn't count that as a definite statment about the tome

>>96120139

>>96120148

>>96120130
I thought that was always the case since the start.

I want Khul to ascend already

>>96120160
No, they had 2 different profiles for 1 model

neither of these two books look too hot desu.

>>96120194
it already ascended, but gw won't show us the model until the next campaign series, at the earliest

>>96117334
the aors are weird, it's like they double down on making sure most of them aren't good in even a fun sense. I don't see any benefit at all running the deathrattle one. Getting another pip of rend or two as their big payoff makes zero sense for them when they do a good portion of their damage through mortals. It's not a matter of competitive or not, they just suck ass at being exciting.

Also why is every aor just one manifestation?

TODAY, GENTLEMEN, IS THE DAY WE FINALLY SEE THE CHAOS DWARVES, AoS VERSION.
I hope it doesn't disappoint.

>>96120322
i hope they give the old world the legion of azghor range. i dont personally like them one bit, but it is kind of a shame that people who wanted that look just cant get it anymore.

but i'd like the aos version to be more adventurous and have more personality, i really disliked the blank faceless dome helmets of the ironsworn

>>96120336
heroes can have the bullshit comedy big hats, infantry can look cool with the helmets.

>>96119994
>tfw no middle aged korean man to teach me aos
I actually enjoyed these a lot
>>96120336
the forgeworld range was 100% resin right ? lately gw seems really adamant on removing all resin stuff from their games, so they'd have to remake all the models with plastic mouls. I could see it happening in a couple of years.

I hope that if they bring back k'daai (or the concept of daemon constructs in general) they make them less fucking ugly this time

>>96120194
He already did at the tail end of 3e.

>>96119702
KO book seems insane, the players complaining about thunderer damage going down are obtuse.

The jump from 3+ to 2+ for Ironclads/Frigates save is cumulatively bigger than a unit going from 6+ to 3+, the navigator has fly high, and they start with three free bodies on the board that can zone out deepstrike.

Targeting the boats for shooting is a non-option even without the 5+ ward, so effectively the army is -1 hit against many 3+ save targets.

Offensively they're removing wards against most any target but anything oc 5 and over every turn and still have the artifact in case that fails. It also lasts until your next turn.

They have fly high again through the navigator, but on the flip side it doesn't allow the boat to take troops with it, just the navigator.

The faction terrain gives you three free bodies that can zone out deepstrike from the start of the game. Navigator mentioned above allows you to teleport them as well.

Dunno seems pretty good to me!

>>96120159
i love those, thanks for posting anon

>>96120413
you weren't kidding

>>96120545
There's good things and bad things. Chemist for example will never see the table again in 4E.

how mad would you be if it was nu-dark elves that got revealed instead. gw did the large hats with lumineth too you know

>>96120685
Definitely, I guess I see it as a positive thing because the book emphasizes more MSU or bringing a variety of units. Moreso than I've seen out of a lot of 4e books, but also yeah sometimes pet units catch a stray unfortunately.

No idea if it has the juice to be competitive but I want to see more gestalt style books, also they really need to stop fucking writing 3+ rolls for foot hero buffs.

>>96120690
i play dark elves so i would be chuffed

>>96120690
>Nu-delves drop
>it's just a subfaction for DoK, darkoath/gitmob style
>the only exception being nu-malekith is added as well as a side centerpiece
>bonus points if RoR with nu-malekith exclusive to other elf factions and mb CoS

>>96120690
>picrel was actually malekith
>all the leakers were gw plants to build up goodwill and get people on the wrong track
>all to build up the ulgu deception theme
I would kneel

>>96120545
Two things can be true at the same time. There are good things about the book, arkanaut stonks, ship stonks, skywarden stonks, but also thunderers are just terrible and the khemist was nerfed into the ground, and the army also lost all of its best movement tricks and traits

>>96120787
If they make with Malerion the same they did with Gitmob slapping some Sun-chasers without any sense or reason alongside Moon cave-dwellers i will be insanely mad. I know James is usually stupid but you dont mess with dark elfs.

>>96120130
There are ZERO named mortals in the book.
Even Skarr is gone.
Fcking zero.

>>96120713
>emphasizes

Enforces. Many units are literally unplayable outside of their once per turn army allowance.

As always, once per turn army continues to be a fucking blight on the game. "Oh you bought more than 1 of thar unit because you like it? Fuck you"

>nurgle gets a completed range
>tzeentch, his rival, crying begging for more options. even another foot hero.

>>96120978
You will get your birds and you will enjoy it, nerd.
Slaanesh, Khorne and now Nurgle are having a cool Chaos army party and you are out of it.

>>96120913
at the very least it's an interesting (probably positive) shakeup. The redeploy gimmick was bad design anyways, it was luck for both players. Playing against KO before was either you dominated them by getting into their ironclad early and blowing it up, or it was a one player experience while they redeployed and you couldn't catch up and were just whittled down.

Still I prefer 3e's take more than this tome, having a fragile army that rewarded the right usage of cp and positioning is more rewarding than something that will outstat or grind them down. Unfortunately they don't write those style rules anymore.

>>96120978
it's a shame because the lord of change kit was so stellar, and then....

>>96120978
>Tzeentch the god with the most potential for awesomeness
>Stuck with naked barbarians, Tzzangors and some demons
I wonder when they will move their asses and give us something of this quality.

>>96120800
I hope it's more LRL just for the pure SEETHING

>>96120962
ships new anti charge incoming mechanic? once per turn army

arkanauts overwatch? once per turn army

endrinmaster retreat and shoot? once per turn army

aetherkhemist rend buff? once per turn army and now also locked to only arkanaut company

codewrite? once per turn army

admiral? once per turn army both abilities

derigible master attack buff for endrinriggers? once per turn army

navigator read the winds? once per turn army

thunderers ability? once per turn army


build your army how you want but be punished for it. and so much of it makes fucking ZERO sense, like the same kind of shit as having impact hits on mangler squigs only be on the boss and only once per army, so if you charge with 3 mangler squigs only one actually mangles and the other 2 along with any non boss manglers just gently sashay into combat on their delicate tiptoes.

fuck you if you want to lean into anything while building your army, and fuck your flavor. god this edition really is a cancer on age of sigmar.

>>96120999
being an iron wall that wants to eat charges does feel more dwarfy, i just wish the army werent so restricted in what it can build because of >>96121034

>>96119468
I don't care.
Saying 'oh I use the stats of (Special Character) but it's my OC' is gay. You are using the special character. Some of us BASED KINGS hate SC

>>96119580
What the fuck is this shit.
Stop posting it

>>96119787
Based

>>96121058
It's relevant, and not interrupting anything. Honestly, it's more on topic than half of the discussion that usually happens here, so shut the fuck up.

>>96121092
Spearhead is for fags and apparently nips/chinks/(I don't know the racist term for Koreans). This is a PVRE AOS THREAD

>>96121049
People who cry about special characters existing are more cringe than people who are obsessed with special characters.

>>96120800
>>96121023
it is umbraneth
but they're souped
with lumineth

>>96121049
I run Arkhan as Neferata so I can run him without having to change my Start Collecting box
kiss my ass

>>96121104
no

>>96121109
> Proud poorfag
No ketchup no mustard on my burger.

>>96120787
>>96120800
Gitmob were already a fuck up i hope they don't have the same intentions with DoK, Momma Morathi is good on her own

>>96121034
4th edition is the flavorless paste edition. This is known. Here they are trying to see if they can force an army to be, essentially, one of each purchase (GW doesn't like spam because they can't allocate stock accurately, they just want you to buy one or two of each).
But hopefully players will rebel.

>>96121104
I don't care about them existing or not existing, I just don't want my army designed around assuming I'm taking a 520 point unit in all my lists, because he has a +1 save aura and fixes the armies awful battle trait. That's 1/4th of my army missing for one dude.

>>96121106
GW doesn't have the stones for that

>>96121103
Post models or gtfo

>>96121157
> Doxx yourself after making racist comments
'No'

>>96121169
>his paint scheme doxxes him
if you think that's possible you're retarded

>>96121145
up until this specific and exact book most everything has been spam favored

aggradons
kavalos
morghast
vanguard palladors
blight kings
barrow knights
morbheg knights
ard boys


and much much more have all been the dominant choice for a long time. This is the most smooth brained this game has been in a long time.

>>96121092
Mf probably can't comprehend aos media that isn't roll model or neverchosen

>>96121181
I'm not denying that. I think this sort of rules writing is an attempt to force away from that (in a heavy handed and lazy way). If books and warscrolls were written in mechanically interesting ways, players wouldn't just resort to 'spam best choice.' This is a problem GW has never solved and it's been in their games forever. The closest half assed solution is shit like the 'rule of three' and the old force organization/percent systems of old 40k and WHFB.
>>96121157
I LITERALLY started the post models shit, on this very general, years ago ... It briefly worked then it stopped, forever.
> You are a loser stuck here forever
Yeah basically

>>96121034
I've been thinking about this sorry of things a lot, and wonder if there isn't the motivation for a community run version of the game. It could incorporate all of this back into the game. Reinject the flavor into actually playing. For me personally, the old allies system was far better, and I actually like GA armies, not that they should replace anything. AoA should be a staple as well. Realistically, balance is not nearly as complicated as GW makes it out to be, and I think the only thing stopping a project like that from going anywhere is consensus.

>>96121225
I hated old allies.
I hated that centerpiece models were more useful in shit outside their book (Alarielle in CoS lists, Kroak fucking everywhere, Celestant Prime, etc). I think books standing on their own merits not unintended consequences from shitty lazy rules writers.
You are correct consensus is the biggest stumbling block.
What is most annoying to me is that 4th, per it's core rules and core rules ONLY, is about the cleanest, tightest the rules have ever been. Because of this framework, I think you COULD inject a lot of fun, flavorful shit into the game. However, for whatever reason, they went the opposite direct and sterilized the fuck out of it (part time to work on it, part laziness, part classic GW overcorrecting). The core rules, including the changes from SoG to regiments (more regiments gets you the priority re roll, AOD, AOA) are the best this game has ever seen (the current rules team doesn't get all the credit they just iterated it to this point).

>>96116068 (OP)
Another SoB spearhead

>>96121310
> You get one Mega
> It comes in from reserves starting turn 2

>>96121156
They tried it already like twice. Once during The End Times, then again as Ynnari in 40k. Technically also Cities of Sigmar, so thrice.

>>96121306
I do agree about the random splashing. Something like a force org chart would instantly fix that, though. I just want to run a bunch of goblins with my orcs. Or be able to take a brick of chaos warriors with my HoS. I mean, I hate god characters entirely, and special characters can be okay, but I'll literally never use them myself. But yeah, I think that a core and consistent ruleset would be fantastic. The base rules are there. It's the army books that feel almost completely sterile. Not to mention that having the editions change on this dumb cycle and reinvent the wheel to try and generate value from nothing is garbage.

>>96121386
The issue is, for everyone one person who wants Allies for what they claim is thematic reasons, there are a dozen WAACfags lined up to use allies to abuse the system. For example, if the concept for the HoS army is a fast glass hammer force that hits hard, moves fast, but dies to the lunch back, I DONT want HoS to be able to ally in a block of Chaos Warriors that just eliminates this baked in weakness the army is designed to have. You see this shit even with the heavily restricted RoR, which was designed to cut down on this sort of shit, with SoB (an abortion of a faction that should have never existed) and their use of some stuff GSG RoR to get around their BAKED IN WEAKNESS of NOT having a lot of bodies on the table (every every fucking Order army taking Saviors of Cinderfall to get a deep strike reserve unit to either double down on the strat or make up for no deep strike).
> Received a warning for racism
Fuck you think skinned fags and FUCK the SLAV JANNY. This is fucking 4chan, don't you have a reddit or discord hugbox you can go cry on? A bunch of SLACK JAWED FAGGOTS

>>96121364
>ynnari
Man I haven't heard about those guys in a while. Did 40k end up doing anything with them at all ?
>>96121386
I feel the same way, RoR are nice and all but like 70% of them are "this named character and a handful of elite units" worth like a third of your list. I just want some ghosts to tag along with my skellies, or some ardboys that follow my loonboss around.
>just ask your opponent
Yeah yeah I know but it's a hassle sometimes.

>>96121597
I heard disagree about caring about "baked in weakness". I care about flavor. I care about fun. Waac garbage will always occur. Building rules just to deal with them will make the game unfun for everyone. You don't make sugar illegal because some people are fat. I would rather have an open canvas that some people are assholes about, but everyone else has fun painting. Just don't play with people who advise it to win. Don't play tournaments.
>>96121598
Yeah, RoR are a terrible bandaid, and are basically always a make character, so I hate them automatically.

>>96121598
>RoR are nice and all but like 70% of them are "this named character and a handful of elite units"
I ended up getting into AOS through Nighthaunt but gravitated to Soulblight - it upsets me I can't ally in the 2-3 boxes of Nighthaunt into the army without getting a bunch of chaff and their faction leader.

>>96121748
Old ally system resulted in this exact scenario raping Nightaunt with unplayable point costs on everything

>>96121774
>GW chasing impossible game balance, and not understanding how to make their game fun ending in raping Nightaunt with unplayable point costs on everything

ftfy

>>96121793
Issue was consistant point costs for models regardless or hwere theya re. RoRs are meant to give alternative point ocsts for allies unrelated to the actual army's cost

shit, there's a reveal show. These threads are going to be full of shitposting and us vs them bullshit again, aren't they?

>>96121868
the rumors are AoS is getting a whole new army and 40k is getting 7 new Marine characters

So we'll be happy with our exciting new army that expands the setting, they'll be happy with their 7 new hats. Everybody wins!

>>96121868
No, this time people will be reasonable, respectful, and friendly. This time will be different.

>>96121895
Unless there's a female model or a model with a skin tone darker than warm toast.

>>96121868
What you think anon? Will 4chan and the wicked nature of fa/tg/uys chang in the upcoming few hours?

>>96121831
I think that there is a middle ground between consistent cost, and cutting back the arbitrary limitations. Force organization would help mitigate this considerably. Of course, that would involve classifying units into categories, but whatever. Still not a perfect solution, but I prefer jank to limits.

>>96121903
That seems like a reason good enough for shitposting if you ask me.

>>96121868
100%
Although at least the doomposters won't be as annoying this time. We'll just have to deal with the inevitable female/black model shitposters.
That being said I think chorfs will be all around well received. Or maybe that's my copium.

>>96121982
>alchemist reveal finally

>>96121982
big hat detected

>>96121982
BIG HAT BROS
BIG HAAAAAAAT

>>96121982
Bighatbros we can't stop winning
New tomb king stuff neat
Also is that prince fucking maesa ? Or maybe just a generic wood elf guy for tow.

>>96122017
it's the Kurnothi warband

>>96122045
>>96122045
>>96122045
MIGRATE