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>>96128117 (OP)Considering the assault MKII for more destroyers. I have 10 assault MKIV and planning 10 Mortalis MKII. The extra chest armor is just too perfect.
>>96128117 (OP)Cho-
sorry. "Helsmiths", and just the mk2 assault marines.
Is there a way to get more Apex detachments?
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>>96128117 (OP)>TQ:A headache.
>>96128145Stay tuned to the Journal Sloptica!
>>96128117 (OP)>Read chaplain rules, theres nothing there for special rulesAm I reading this right?
>>96128171Chaplains are not there purely for mental stats
>>96128171Chaplains are now there purely for mental stats
>>96128145Not currently, but the way it's phrased makes it seem like you later will.
The marines prime advantages generally feel unimportant though so unsure what it matters.
>>96128171Correct. Just a Cool 10 dude and his homies. No Litanies of Hate anymore. They mellowed out so now it's just calm ASMR to stop statuses.
>>96128171They're the Coolest HQ.
>>96128182>>96128190Alpha Legion is trying to trick us again
>>96128171Chaplains are a cheap HQ (same cost as a naked Centurion) with a half decent melee weapon and better cool.
Not saying that's good just saying that's what it is.
>>96128171yeah its flavorless
>>96128182>>96128190>>96128192>>96128202The why the fuck would you bring one along? Can GW proof read at least one edition of a new warhammer game before it gets released
>>96128221Statuses matter and he + an apothecary can really help
>>96128226lol. apothecaries are trash
I will allow any player to grant their Chaplain Hatred for +15 points over a normal Centurion
>>96128232They're -2 to characteristic checks
>>96128243half of the time
Observation: The changes to liber cata and tart are indicative of new box options.
Projection: There will be a terminator command upgrade that can fit both cata and tart, just like the normal command upgrade was designed for mk 3 and mk6
>>96128226It's still 80pts. for Cool 10 power maul guy when there's plenty of Cool 9 HQs that have more options and extra rules for a little bit more.
>>96128117 (OP)Was thinking about getting some MkII Assault marines to kitbash, but I kinda want to see what they look like from the back first. The only previewed sets of 3.0 that I'm even interested in are the assault and breacher squads. I hear terminators are probably going to get a scale update, but I just can't bring myself to care about chasing even more terminators.
I'm not so convinced statuses are going to matter much.
>>96128117 (OP)>mastadonsfinally
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>>96128264God those axes are so bad.
>>96128265It's going to be like 40k where it's not such a big deal but once you've got something that's forcing checks constantly and/or giving debuffs to a specific check it's gonna be a big fucking deal.
>>96128264Is that a fucking graviton mace in the upgrade kit right after they got rid of the option for IW? What kind of dartboard decision making is going on at GW?
so whats the new tier list you guys think?
>>96128278Yeah I don't know how to feel about having an entire squad with those bigass chainaxes. I do have a bunch of regular chainswords left over from other stuff, plus a box of melee weapon upgrades to swap them out with.
But I generally like the bulkiness of the model itself. Has a nice brutal vibe to it that the MkVI ones lack.
>>96128278The axes in the nuBerserker kit are also bad, the only good axes are in the WE cultist kit.
>>96128285its a power maul
>>96128285>Every Space Marine can be equipped with a chainaxe and bolt pistol, while the kit also includes optional combat shields which can be swapped out for the pistols. On top of that, there are two each of the following weapons: power mauls, heavy chainaxes, volkite serpenta, disintegrator pistols and melta bombs, along with a variety of other grenades, holsters and pouches.Nah, it's just a regular power maul. Really need to see different paint schemes for these guys.
>>96128309Painted like nothing of the sort.
>>96128117 (OP)Caanok Var looks like an easy conversion Iron Father
>>96128322canonically power weapons are not gay glowing blue lightsabres
Im retarded and I tried using the search function on the rulebook and liber pdf's but what does the Shield Trait do on Comabt/ Boarding Shields?
>>96128336Maybe. Given the scale of 40k terminators, he's probably fuckhueg compared to regular HH marines. Might depend on how big the refreshed terminators coming down the line end up being.
Still not sure why they decided to give him a tetsubo. It's neat that GW made a unique weapon that isn't a sword, axe, or hammer, but it's a weird design choice for Iron Hands imo.
>>96128365Need the black weeb audience
>>96128355There's a Shieldwall reaction for +1T against shooting
>>96128355Gives you access to the shieldwall reaction iirc, which is just +1T.
>>96128370yeah some cuck at gw played too much of that new assassins creed, obviously.
>>96128365I guess they truly were doctors and engineers...
Can you return fire with battle weapons now on tanks?
>>9612836530k plastic characters are fuck huge. The 2e Praetor is a head taller than normal marines. That said I hope he's not toooo big. I want to do shattered legions with some Gorgons and he would be perfect.
>>96128392Not without a certain decurion
>>96128365God I hate the gay ass mk6 terminator greaves. Have we not learned enough lessons about how garbage mk6 looks
>>96128403there are no rules in the reactions section nor the vehicle section that says you cannot
>>96128418The return fire strategem requires vehicles to use defensive weapons
Do you think if I gave the mk2 assault squad recast metal raptor jump packs and recast ashen circle arms, they could work as ashen circle?
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>>96128407To each their own, anon. But it is funny that they have the kneepad version on their updated indomitus terminators, they just chose to use the flat MkVI-styled panel. Who knows, maybe you could do some freehand on it.
>>96128418Except the sort where only defensive weapons are allowed as part of general reaction rules. You didn't get the hint that the second decurion explicitly calls out allowing non defensive turret weapons to fire?
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>>96128478thank you, I missed that bc the intercept reaction explicitly calls it out but return fire did not
My local's Titanicus group is pretty insular and we browse a lot of the houserule/tourney rules that people come up with so I thought I would try out writing my own rules for Xestobiax.
I don't really like it, it feels too self serving. I guess this is why people who make up their own rules get mocked.
>>96128464I own these termis and love them, but damn are they too big to be taken seriously.
>>96126329anon would you like a link to my 1.0 repository?
>>96128365Nah, take him off his tactical rock and swap that (admittedly cool and 100% very not Xth legion) tetsubo for a thunder hammer and hand him a combi-bolter/combi whatever/volkite charger of your choice and I think he'll make a great gorgon leader (not that there are any of those right now as far as I'm aware)
>>96128492Here's a hint: no one writes good rules the first time around. You need a combination of good game knowledge and lots of playtesting to work out the kinks. That's why 90% of people who try to introduce new house rules fail, because they're just slapping some shit on the table that they saw on the internet and are trying to badger an already leary audience into accepting something brazenly, and then it turns out there's some edge case they didn't consider because they literally didn't think of the idea and now that person you tried it with is sworn off the idea of House rules altogether.
Anyone know what the base bayonet is good for? It doesn't seem to do anything.
>>96128407I think I'm in the minority in enjoying the fact that indomitus is heterogeneous and sometimes takes design cues from actual power armour marks: the kneepad-less greave's not bad and i like the standard mark vii style one as well, but personal favourite is unironically the mark IV style ones they gave Culln for his captain model
>>96128117 (OP)150 for 12 saturnine termies + 25 dollar shipping because colony tax. Worth it off ebay, or wait for price to drop even lower?
>>96128378>>96128375Thank you, dont know why that was so hard for me to find
>>96128550Tortuga actually does 5 mans along this theme with IV/V/VI styled indomitus suits i quite like (even if the helmets aren't great)
>>96128539My problem is that I'm writing them for myself. Nobody else is gonna use them so I'm basically just giving myself goodies instead of using the actual rules that are basically fine. Even if I'd be using them only against one guy right now it just feels poncy.
>>96128552I'll wait once the boxes drop and units start to sell. There's usually somewhat of a drop once the FOMOsexuals get their fill and stores are left with extras. I'm a little tempted to get 3 for some converting, depending on the price. At the moment it's more that what I'm willing to pay.
>>96128552godawful price. More than 80 in total would be an absolutely stupid thing to pay for those. The MkII marines are the popular thing in the box, people are going to want to ditch their 6 terminators for 40-50 easy when the box price plummets in GW wave 2.
>>96128117 (OP)I'm glad we're getting updates and the game is still getting at least some support, but I feel like ligma already has a lot of tank options while special/heavy weapons still boil down to just plasma and missile launchers. We need new infantry options, a new infantry unit, and I can't believe I'm saying this, the Primarchs. Plus daemons to diversify the armies.
>>96128539It's funny because over in TOW, a significant portion of the common fan balance changes made it to the balance update / matched play.
Axe saturnine praetor and hammer command squad or vice versa?
>>96128455ashen circle don't look like raptura jetpacks. I don't see the point when you can get 10 with the correct jetpacks in plastic for as cheap as recasts.
>>96128700I want them to stand apart from the normal mk2 assault marines I'll also be getting. Giving them ancient jump packs feels fit for a specialized assault unit
Can someone explain apothecaries to me? I'm clearly too dumb to understand GW's half-assed legal-ese. It LOOKS like the medic 4+ rule reduces damage on unsaved wounds by 1 to a minimum of 0 on a roll of a 4+, effectively being a 4+ feel no pain for 1D weapons. But that doesn't seem right for a 30pt model.
has anyone built a Sicaran Venator Tank Hunter that was missing some parts? mine was missing part of the exhausts pipes & i don't want to wait several days for GW to answer my email or a month for the part I'm missing.
>>96128757I wish there was a GW translator in general; I cant think of another war game where I scratch my head trying to understand rules. I know that rule lawyers & metafags are to blame because pushing the boundary of whats normal
As someone who is just stepping a toe into HH pardon the question if it is obvious:
Wasn't there a way to add Daemon engines to your army if you play Mechanicum?
I got a brass scorpion on the shelf that I kinda wanna form an army around.
>>96128796It's in the mechanicum liber as a lord of war
>>96128773I just built one and the exhaust pipes are on the main sprue, did they just fall off because you'd know if you were missing half the tank
>>96128757No. You can react to the unit with apothecary getting shot, and you gain a fnp equal to the medic (x) value. It specifies in the medic rule that you have to have another rule allowing you to take the test, having medic doesn't give you the fnp until you react or have some other rule that says to test.
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does this mean the entire unit has to be mechanicum or, for example, does it mean the entire unit has to be reductor?
>>96128814The whole unit has to be mech. I don't know if ordos are a faction like legions.
>>96128814>>96128821They are, it's why mech suffers the Ally penalty for sticking magi in the wrong until unless they're archimandrite
>>96128828making a reductor heavy force is going to be a ballache then bc I'll have no comptroller units that can keep up with thallax
miss my jet pack option already
>>96128812NTA but the Medic Raction resolves at Step 11 of Shooting so before casualties. Apothecaries have Narthecium which then lets them do another test before Morale? Am I reading this dog shit right or have I having a stroke? Why do I need 3 pages to piece together 1 rule interaction?
Which legion is best to play if I want blacks in it? I want to play a diverse and inclusive army
>>96128802no, I keep everything in the box & the spew until I need the next part, it's not there, I'll just look for a replacement on cults if I cant find it.
>>96128814>Comptroller>a management-level position responsible for supervising the quality of accounting and financial reporting of an organization.
>>96128857Why didn't Big E do a economic blockage and entrap people into usury instead? You could call it the Debt Guard.
>>96128812This is so confusing. Where do I find the Medic! reaction then?
Do I really have to buy 2-6 30 point characters in my list so that ONE of them MIGHT get to use a single reaction to mitigate damage? This is asinine.
>>96128839Okay you're right that is worded like ass. Genuinely no idea what GW intends for Narthecium. You'd assume there aren't any allocated wounds left after the models have been removed and you move to the morale phase. If that's the case nobody would come back and it's just for the morale modifier, but then why bother making it specifically a recovery test.
Is the game actually playable yet? I mean, if you want a jump chaplain at this moment, too bad. Gotta wait for the PDF
>>96128900Yeah that's ass. Alright, well that saved me 120pts from my list thanks, anon.
>>96128838Anon thallax are Vanguard they don't get any benefit from comptroller
>>96128900>Costs a reaction to keep your dudes alive when you're already paying a point tax for a modelWake me up when 4th edition comes around anons
>>96128191I think regular primes are lame
>2 of them are for having one guy melee better Vigilator is the exception that proves the rule>Another one is "sacrifice 2-3 detachments for +1 React">One is to not engage with the detachment mini game they've been pushing>The last one's to not engage with the Status mini game they've been pushingIt's faction-specific Primes where it's at (hopefully). Are you finding those useful, anons?
>>96128923It's not even out yet
>>96128841there was a guy talking about how half the legions are black i think you have some options
>>96128542Makes tacticals go from AP- to AP5. Which isn't a lot. But Tactical melee is even less. Single attack. They even wound thralls on 5s now.
Maybe it's for GEQ combat now, who knows. For tacticals to defend against it, for GEQ to defeat other GEQ
>>96128956Stealing this and saying I made it mr anon :)
>>96128987>Anon resposts it:D
>Anon says lies in the internet:O
>>96128841statistically that would be the Night Lords. They have the greatest number of initiate criminals originating in prisons (even on Terra)
Most nostramo children have never even met their father.
You know, it's a bit of a gamble but I think I'm going to try the funny 8 heterodoxist tech priest and an arcutor magestrium allied force with the word bearers tomorrow, if you're going to deny me my warpfire plasma and pass out my corrupted like a whore then I will take advantage of my one advantage, hitting 4 malefic units in one apex detachment
>>96128940I can give a unit of troops a 6+ fnp. I think it could be okay giving it to a full 20 stack breacher squad but I am not convinced it's better than just chucking master sergeant on some despoiler sergeant with a pair of lightning claws or forge crafted t hammer.
>>96128278it's so gay that the basic assault axes are larger than the primarch's legendary chainaxe Gorechild.
Legionary weapons should look like toys in a primarch's hands, not be bigger than his own equipment.
>>96128821>Faction (Trait)>Faction (Liber)Oof
>>96128841Night Lords they pretty much come from Detroit, its dark both fugitily & literally along with very high crime.
Every time I start trying to brew a list I just end up stuck staring at the consuls wondering what actually does anything useful for me. Maybe every list just starts with 2-3 vigilators.
I bought a rapier set so I could do a test Imperial Fists scheme for Saturnine. What do you lads think?
I am going to swap the tufts out for greener ones in the future when they arrive in the mail.
>>96129039Not too bad. I will say I like those tufts more then something greener, fits in more with the ruins
>>96129046My thought was like, when you see bright green stuff growing through cracks in the concrete. But I'll repost when the new tufts come, you may well be right!
>>96129006FnP6 (aka 1/6) is like multiplying your wounds by +1/5 (+20%). This is because wounds saved by it can keep activating FnP over and over again until they fail. As such, 20 Breachers with FnP6 could be seen as having 24 wounds among them. This is also akin to having to kill 6 guys to force a Ld test, instead of 5.
That being said, a Master Sergeant also brings +1Ld or +2 if he's already a Champion as it happens on some Elites. On melee units this will make them first among equals, and makes Troop sergeants threaten Optae-class and non-melee Centurion-class characters.
Like Vigilators, Masters of Signals, and Praevians, who currently have 0 melee weapons and yet can be called out to duel. Same for Moritats, but those guys are Specialists and thus can't be duelled.
Elite Master Sergeants can be WS6 A5, which is Champion-class stats. And +1i isn't doesn't guarantee going first in a duel.
>>96129036>>96129039I just don't know where to put Command & Control marines.
Put them with a MotL and the entire unit sucks at melee.
Put them with a Siege Breaker and you get a guy who wants to melee in a unit that doesn't.
Put them with a Praevian and you take Intelligence tests on Int9 at -2 to the score...but it prevents the Praevian from joining the Automata itself.
>>96129077When I make them I think I'm just gonna have them sitting solo behind a vehicle to block line of sight.
>>96128857Oh you have no idea.
>That relic was promised to us 10,000 years ago
>>96129039Plastic recon squad is just going to be a lowest-effort-possible reskin of this kit, isn't it?
>elite and retinue are in seperate apex detachments
>you can only have one apex detachment (currently)
>but if you take a primarch you can have a retinue in that detachment
>if you take a champion you get a detachment with one retinue and one elite
>if you take a master of descent you get one retinue and two slots for veteran assault squads
>if you are blood angels you get an aux detachment with 2 slots for veteran assault squads
>if you are emperor's children, you get an aux detachment with one retinue and one elite slot
>if you are world eaters or sons of horus you get an aux detachment with 1 elite slot
Genuinely why is this so convulted? If I want veterans and a retinue why do I have to play 20 questions with the libre and core book to see if some special exemption applies to me to allow me to, or if I need to take a primarch or burn prime slots for it?
>>96129213>Genuinely why is this so convulted?Pic related
>>96129233Story of this edition. Tries to tidy up rites of war and force org and ends up creating a bunch of annoying cases like this and disincentizing taking more battlefield roles. Say they want to streamline the books needed to play but now you'll also need a pdf and extra supplements to tell give extra unit entries for a centurion with saturnine armour when it could've just had all statlines, costs, and rules on one page in the libre. Removes rerolls to speed up the gaming process and turns challenges into a whole seperate sub game.
>>96128256Further prediction
Terminators will come in boxes of 6 with one and options of 1 being modeled as a centurion / praetor
>>96128812>gain a fnp equal to the medic (x) value.not FnP. damage reduction by 1 (it can reduce damage 1 to 0)
>>96129190Probably lol
Did you see how bad a remix the new Leagues of Votann vehicle is?
These cunts are just copy pasting in CAD now.
>>96129213Genuinely you're retarded. You take an apex, and a logistics, maybe a champion or legion specific detachment, and there that's your pride of the legion done because there's no way you're fitting more than 5 elite units + hqs + transports in 3k points, not in last edition, and not even in this edition with points slashed across the board. Fucking actually brainless.
Managed to score 6 boxnoughts recently and looking to run them in some games, as my group is looking to stick with 2.0 for now I am thinking of the fury of the ancients rite of war detachment.
I know the all contemptor list understandably gets flak, but would one with the bar minimum of contemptors with a bunch of boxnoughts, especially with a bunch of adhoc loadouts like this be more acceptable?
For reference the leader contemptor has a chainfist and kheres assault cannon while the two troops have just fists while my legion is world eaters.
>>96129322Pseudo fnp, you got me. It's a different damage mitigation roll.
>>96128365>what weapon to give him?> A big techmarine axe?>No, he's not a techmarine>Whatever>put a power sword handle, just do a big octogonal block>copy paste round bits>and put a nice little skull on the pommel, voila!That pose begs to have a large axe/spear instead
>>96129347I specifically outlined the ways to do it anon, I am well aware how to bring the things I want to bring. My point is that it's convulted for no benifit. Read, retard, read.
>>96129373It's interesting that units with reasonably high FnP/Shrouded are getting another layer of protection with medic; thought that was worth taking into account.
>>96129387I read it and I still think you're retarded because taking elites is the easiest fucking thing in the world, you just slap it a a slot anywhere you want and that's 500 points locked in. Try playing a legion with actual trouble getting the slots they need like white scars or word bearers before complaining
>>96129373>It's a different damage mitigation roll.I don't think that counts as damage mitigation roll though. Damage Mitigation rolls remove wounds, and that is a recovery test.
As someone that never played against Auxilia (it's all marines plus one Custodes here), are they actually balanced and fun against marines or is it a sweep for either side?
>>96129402Sorry about white scars or whatever but that genuinely still has nothing with what I'm saying.
>>96129415Militia is designed to be a sweep, you're not supposed to be effective you're supposed to be annoying, your win condition is making the game run on so long that the store has to close and you talk out how would win, allowing you to gaslight the marine player into thinking you had him on the ropes.
>>96129402>aux detachment with 4 slots for bikes and a prime slot>bike retinue coming back in pdf>2 additional detachments and 3-5 logistical benefitsHow many units do you expect to be running?
>>96129377That's just a Japanese Kanabo you absolute philistine.
Didn't you doomertards say we were getting female space marines?
>>96129529That's for when HH transition into Ashes of the Imperium Timeline.
Once you scale down the chainaxe by 20% it looks perfectly fine, I think.
I am disappointed, the saturnine prices aren't falling any further. At least I've yet to see more than 15%.
>>96129538I think 15% personally. Will just be giving them different weapons anyways though.
>>96129539Most people that wanted them downloaded them in May, And those that don't want them will not buy them.
>>96129528Does Kanabo stand for "cheap lazy job" in japanese?
>>96129213Detachments of note, with either Command, Retinue, Elites or Heavy Assault (most HA were classified as elites in 2.0) units.
Do notice many Elites are actually restricted to certain datasheets only
Loyalists on the left, Common on the center, Rheretics on the right. If there's a less retarded way of displaying them, do let me know lmao
>>96128699The way they talked about it, it sounds like you can only give the hammer to the champion of the command squad
>>96129538hot damn, that looks perfect unlike the original.
>>96129539stores don't lower prices during preorder, it's a month or two from now when it nosedives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQdDbe3d3f4
It's up
>>96128757It does that but it's a reaction, so it costs a reaction allotment. And it only works at range. It's not that much less than the 45p before for all those restrictions.
You can also only do it once per model
>>96128902It is worded like ass. You have to look at the recovery tests rule. They happen after allocating an unsaved wound.
Are there Cybertheurgic rites that are NOT removed during your next Start phase? Idk when I can get Thralls to explode if the power can only be cast on a unit that has a Cybertheurgic status active
>>96129377>>96129558>this new unique weapon is lazy>repeating what every other character with a long/polearm has would be effort
GW be like: I'm gay and retarded.
>>96129558No, thats what GW stand for.
Remember
>>96129642nice, another channel to block for inviting this fucker
>>96129662add stl sources to the picture to make it remotely useful
>>961296671.0 hammer of Olympis gives you a 4th Heavy slot.
The Reductor FOC also gives you a 4th heavy slot and a 2nd warlord slot at the cost of a few other underused slots (FA).
The Onslaught FOC gives you an extra heavy slot but it always goes second.
Those are the ones that I can remember
someone post the libers, I'm seeing screenshots of the mech one but the link at the top of page is dead, just core rules is there
>>96129714check out gofile
liber units, legions and almost all usrs and wargear except for volkite are there.
there was a mechanicum imgur album (somewhere in previous threads), but we don't have the entire book afaik
>>96128492>>96128539Aren't build a legio rules in the main game? What if you just used those first as your base and then built on it from there?
>>96129000Yeah but NL have pale skin so they cannot be black, they are wiggers at best
>>96128959Who was this guy?
>>96129759NL should not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character
>>96128841wait until people notice that only diverse people are cannon fodder in 40k. They will scream and paint pink faced people again.
>>96129795painting NL also means they are all scum while being cannon fodder
>>96129759- Nightlords would drive the property value of any planet or neighborhood they inhabit quickly towards zero.
- they're incredibly brave when it's 5 of them versus 1 grandmother in a dark alley, but then run away the second an actual unit with weapons comes for them.
- the most broke of all legions, incapable of keeping hold of resources for funding their faction and keeping their equipment maintained and working.
- NL primarch sucker punched rogal dorn, mugged him when he was unconscious and stole his clothes and wallet and ran away
- considers himself a hero for being executed by the system, even though he was guilty of all the violent crimes and unethical behavior that he was accused of. Thinks he's making some deep point, really should have just stopped being a moron and behaved like everyone else.
>>96128841Imperial Fists recruited from lots of different planets so theyโd likely be the most diverse. From a painting aspect the darker skin tone will contrast nicely with the yellow too.
>>96129813protagonist of Nightlords very own trilogy, "why should I bother answering my teacher's questions? When I grow up I'm just going to grow up and join a gang like my father"
>>96128841GW flip flops about making Salamanders the actual black legion (heh), but after them in 30k probably only IF/WE seems to not having cared about the source of their recruits or having recruited more terrans than anyone else.
The other legions seem to have been deliberately choosing kids from their home planets/cultures.
>>96129795Should penal legions be ethnically represented per capita for realism?
>>96129813Not true, just because you see a NL with a shiny new jetbike that doesn't mean it's stolen.
>>96129842Yes I seem to recall WE being called a mongrel legion because they would recruit from everywhere.
>>96129538As a joke I want the sarge to have a comically large power spoon.
>>96129644The issue is Narthecium specifically says it's test is done before Morale. So which is it? Is there 2 tests? The second one RAW doesn't do shit because you already got past putting dead people in the dead pile.
>>96129848we all know that only white old men need to be penalized, right?
>>96129890Pawaa Mooru and Stomu Bolturu?
>>96129900Asmodai-kun, make him repent
>>96128117 (OP)>TQNot Sisters, not interested.
>>96129893Jews are not white
>>96129890Back to /40kg/
> :)
Post models! (Or what you are currently working on)
I've got some oils drying on the first 5 of 10 Cataphractii I rescued from a previous Imperial Fists project I no longer use
>>96128841I'd say most of them. A planet is a pretty big place, if they're recruiting new marines from all over one it's reasonable to assume they would be different colors.
>>96129911anyone can have that religion
>>96129958>A planet is a pretty big placenot that authors care - it is usually a prison planet, agricultural planet, industrial planet, capitol planet, death world, mining planet, recruiting world, forest/jungle planet and there is one type of people on it
>>96129009The size creep of weapons annoys me more than the size creep of the actual models.
Theyre absurdly out of proportion, and they're not even consistent with it. Some weapons stay normalish like power swords, where axes and mauls are giant
What shall I mathammer next ?
If no suggestions I'll do the saturnine stuff and various dreads loadout.
Does 2 hit per small blast and 5 hit per big blast sounds reasonable as a basis for computation ?
Omfg it says nothing here that women cannot be space marines
>>96130097look again, it mentions humans
>>96130097the wording here is very clearly intended to highlight the distinction between marines and regular humans
How does Vanguard work? Seem to have missed it
>>96129884nta
>Narthecium Medic Recovery Test etc.Ok anon hear me out:
There is a Morale subphase in the shooting phase. (Only the shooting phase has it), where you make characteristic checks for statuses (including 25% losses) after your opponent shoots at you.
It follows after the Attack Sub phase (which has 11 steps).
Apothecary is a model with:
1. Narthecium (wargear that allows Recovery Tests in the morale subphase of the shooting phase).
2. Medic (4+) Special Rule (establishes target number for Recovery Tests, i.e., 4+, and allows to use Medic! Reaction in the shooting phase)
What the fuck is a Recovery Test?
It is said that IT CAN ONLY BE MADE IF another Special Rule, Reaction or Gambit allows it. (not wargear)
Is it a damage mitigation test? This is unclear so far (there is nothing in the books that says that it's a damage mitigation test; damage mitigation tests occur at step 9 of the attack subphase of the shooting phase, and Recovery tests occur at step 11 (Remove Casualties) but in order to use it, we need to declare a Medic! reaction at step 9. So maybe? (need FAQ)
Anyway, if you managed to pass a Recovery Test (it is said it should be made for each model, so I assume at least one time). i.e., someone won't die/damage will be reduced), then thanks to Narthecium, your further characteristic check (it is unclear if it is all checks or only one since there can be multiple checks for statuses - need FAQ) in Morale Suphase (of the Shooting Sup phase) will be easier by 2.
This represents that the unit improved morale since fewer people died from attack.
>>96129001Wait, I thought Arcuitors were Loyalist-only and Heterodox priests Traitor only, and that you can't mix alliegances?
>>96130097back in the day before rightoids were driven mad by leftoids, you could just assume that a piece of text about a group everyone knows is single-sex does not need to explicitly describe their sex.
>>96130148You can only score 1VP per objective you control but you gain X VP if you kill the last model of an enemy unit controlling or contesting an objective or if you made that unit fall back in melee
>>96129884Yes, the Narthesium rule makes no fucking sense
RAI it could be the most convoluted way of telling you to roll a 4+ to see if you get the -2 to statuses.
But with how the writers write it could also be intended that you can remove one Damage from a model that already suffered it. Who knows with these people
>>96130165heteredox states you *may* be traitor alliegence
>>96130193Is that from the Liber?
They repeat the USR in the rulebook but can't fucking put Melta or Overload in the core rules?
>>96130193>>96130201It's so shit that you can only gain the points if you make them fall back in melee
They could have given combi-flamers and heavy flamers a reason to exist on terminators but instead they make them pointless...
>>96130235>Melta or Overload in the core rules?Melta and Overload aren't really needed when you are explaining rules for phases, objectives and simple combat. Not putting overload in a Liber book is a crime, though.
>>96129213>Genuinely why is this so convulted?GW have the gay baby shrimple game in 40k, so allow Heresy to have an adult level of complexity.
>>96130151That makes sense I think? But dear god it reads like a college student trying to get word count up the night before an assignment is due.
>imgur full of loyalist wank
>Gofile says the original can't be found
>Catbox doesn't even open
Has anyone got the actual liber leaks that isn't a faggot?
>>96130261Wait, then where the fuck does the Overload rules screen come from? I can't find Medic outside of the screen grab that got shoved into the pdf
>>96130261Melta and overload apply to all armies. Sounds pretty fucking universal to me
>>96130327the other anon said its from the Mechanicum book
>>96130347Sure, but they are explaining how armies work in general, not in detail. Imagine you are a new player; there is enough information in the rulebook even without a special rule for a certain weapon from another book.
>>96130370Anon the book comes in a box where 75% of the weapons have Overload
>>96130316gofile works fine for me and others. Seems like (you) are the problem
I think 3.0 and all the jewish bullshit killed whatever enthusiasm i had left for GW-slop.
I am just tired by this game now.
>>96130387Yet here you are, coming to this thread to post about it.
>>96129949WIP aethon sentinel. First time working on a vehicle, sponges are a god send
>never liked 2nd edition mostly because it was at heart still a cancerous GW minmaxing list building exercise where you cram the table full of crap instead of having a smaller, more interesting affair appropriate to the scale
>3rd sounds like a clusterfuck as well
thinking I either switch exclusively to diorama building, or make my own rules. dunno desu
>>96130422unironically how do I do sponge method, I always seem to fuck it up
>>96130349The fuck you mean you can't even get all of the UNIVERSAL SPECIAL RULES out of the rule book anymore?
>>96129642Wow, first time I've seen this Pardo guy in motion and speaking, wouldn't have thought he was Welsh.
>>96130376You might be right about that anon. No sure saturnine pamphlet contains any special rules.
>>96130432What exactly are you fucking up about it?
Personally I have a wet palette that I put my paint on first which helps slightly thin the paint down. When I get the paint on the sponge, I dab it once or twice on a paper towel to get rid of some excess and then stipple. Watching videos and lots of people said that the sponge โdoesnt matterโ which is the biggest lie; Iโd highly recommend blending makeup sponges since their point helps a lot and you can tear chunks off to get into smaller areas without losing the spongeโs rigidity. Other then that you just stipple the same area and gradually build up the colour in whatever point you want, then as your sponge starts to lose paint you move out to get that blend/gradient
>>96128542Even if you know you are playing against Militia and can guarantee getting use from AP5 I don't think it's worth 1pt. Obviously completely wasted against Marines aka 99% of the time.
What a worthless upgrade.
>>96130474Forgot pic; this is the type of sponge Iโm talking about. They're absolutely brilliant and very affordable. The black foam you see people use sometimes is better for weathering imo
Is the Warsmith's Grav Hammer thingy good now?
>>96130316I checked, and I had no issues downloading Lbers or Rulebook from GoFile or Rulebook without bookmarks from Catbox.
>>96130504+1S TH with Armorbane and pinning against vehicles for the same priice as TH? Yeah it's great.
Why does this place have such irrational hatred for pardo?
>>96130387see you tomorrow bud
>>96130548Influencer
(somewhat) popular
pardo
md5: 0dff5ae701ba20a05da21bf7c429320e
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>>96130530Sigh. I've got 2 Warsmiths and neither is legal. I was hoping it was shit so I didn't feel compelled to do another.
>>96128139I asked this question a few threads ago but got no answer so I'm asking again. Is there any lore precedent for Raven Guard in other colour schemes? I love the sad freaks but I can't stand the idea of painting all black.
>>96130608Meant to reply to the OP no idea how I fucked that up.
>>96130455I assumed he was an American hybrid Italian-Jew.
ltlb
md5: 53304f0ff4366f8ce9e5cd17f5e6e9a3
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>>96130548>>96130588He personally rated out hundreds of discord, mega, gofile, 3d artists, telegrams, Mastondon, that made 30k and 40k adjacent content to GWInfringement team to get goodboy points.
He single handedly create 2 of the big Cease and desist waves for GW. And for FREE.
>>96130548/tg/ hates all youtubers as a baseline
>>96130608Predation Nomads XIX Legion in grey
Camo schemes (jungle, snow or sand)
Deliverers are red, I don't know why
>>96130608Yes. Thousands. Everytime they have to adapt to a new environment, conditions or planetary regulations or when part of an escort or retinue of some high ranking lord.
>>96130639He actually is the one guy who poured all his soul into Cease and Desist the guy making Astartes 7 years ago.
>>96130608>I LOVE the Raven Guard now they've got a busted Legion trait, but despise their look!Hmm
>>96130608>>96130664My Raven Guard is Orange.
Or Are they IH ? SoH ?
I dunno, I change at nearly every game I play depending on how I feel.
I showed up with a different "chapter" every months to local sanctioned tournament and played a different legion each time.
I laugh at Pardo-tier cockgobblers rebuying 5 times the same army.
>>96130684Black Shields at best.
>>96130664I play 2.0 you retard
>>96130702Sure you do, you're an old 2.0 player who is just unaware of any alternate Raven Guard colour schemes.
>โPredictable. So predictable. You have become a caricature, Curze. Once you were the terrible hand of justice, the dark avenger, the Night Haunter. Now you are just a clown, seeking justification for your pointless existence.โ
>>96128117 (OP)>No Epic Fellblade to go along with new plastic FellbladeMan, thought for sure we'd get them.
>>96130732Anti-Konrad violence is not tolerated
>Death is NOTHING compared to vindication
>Word Bearers finally get a special terminator unit
>It's Saturnine
>>96130639Imagine giving free marketing to a company that hates you.
>>96130821>Here's your warpfire plasma rules back!>That's be $50 please>Oh and it's on shaturnine only>Enjoy!
>>96130639Proof or fake news
>>96130821Why the fuck didn't they shave those aquilas
>>96130837Those don't have warpfire, it's not green
>>96130645Deliverers are red because they copied /inverted the Justaerin color scheme
>>96130874>Why the fuck didn't they shave those aquilasBoth sides are still the Imperium at this point.
>>96130061Yeah it looks so retarded, I'm using third party or weapons better scaled, just look at the comparison between the IF wardens power axes compared to Fafnir Rann's plastic huge axes, so goofy.
>>96130068Mathhammering is Molech worship.
>>96130888Word Bearers would spit on aquilas dude
>>96130479What a worthless edition
>>96130888Saturnine is very explicitly Salamanders-exclusive until after Isstvan 5. Word Bearers don't have any suits in use until they are openly Traitors.
>>96130875Yes they also trained with the JUSTaerin, it's like pottery it rhymes
>>96130905The traitors are still the Imperium in this time, it's a civil war to decide who will rule the Imperium.
Maybe the silver lining of the Saturnine release is that I will be able to buy IW transfer for cheap
>>96130920>The traitorsIf we call yourselves traitors what does that make our foes?
>>96130923When they did the Prospero box I bought around 8 of those little transfer sheets for pennies
Be patient anon but definitely scoop them up
>>96128117 (OP)>Are you getting anything out of the preview?Assault marines
>>96130608You replied to me because you senses a fellow beakie.
Yes, besides the grey Pale Nomads, there's dark grey and red Ashen Claws. Deliverers served as Horus personal goon squad so they get justarian colors. You could feasibly have a small chapter in a double digit company not be black or grey. Could be based on the planet they campaigned on during the crusade.
>>96130548I am sorry but the hatred is not irrational.
>>96128221>The why the fuck would you bring one along?Good mental stats for the cost.
Hes a support character.
>>96130962Good for you, are you a thousand sons or space wolf player?
>>96130993What is the source of the hatred?
>>96130874>Why the fuck didn't they shave those aquilasjust like female Custodes, loyalist WB always existed!1!!
>>96131006the fucker uses ad hominem arguments in debates, he fully deserves to be servitorized
>>96131006He's very small. Midgets attracted hatred.
>>96131016The manlet should be pitied, not hated. God has forsaken him already
A centurion version of this kit would fix me
>>96129415Point for point, Auxilia will lose to Marines. If anyone willingly plays it against Marines, the Marine player should shake their hand and thank them for their sacrifice.
A well-built, well-played Auxilia army is a lot like the IG in 40k: swarms of tanks and infantry winning because they have more bodies than you have attack rolls. If the Auxilia player can keep away from melee and survive templates, they have a pretty good shot at winning through volume of fire.
>>96131006The man is not humble and comes off as "holier than thou". Bullies guests that don't stick up for themselves.
>>96131012Wow, TK shields are smol
I thought they were boarding shield-sized, not combat shield
I want to get some rapiers to make some techmarines, but I don't know which box to get. is one set of guns better than the other? I might use them if they're cool
>>96131035These 2 paragraphs perfectly contradict each others.
>>96130548Because Pardo has a very easy to dislike personality. Hes thin skinned and easily offended, even in casual interactions on his YT or FB. All the other things about him "hes affiliated with GW" (to the same extent any influencer is afaik) or "hes short" (he is, hes microscopic) are downstream from him acting in a way that annoys people. People dont like him for being a twat and the whole "hes a shill and a snitch" thing came afterwards as a justification to shit on a guy some people already found obnoxious
You dont see (or at least I dont see) people giving bearfoot miniatures or midwinter minis or riftforge studio or pauldoesgames whoever else shit in the same way.
>>96131046They're all good for different reasons. You pick what your army lacks usually.
>>96131046As far as I can tell every rapier variant has its use case.
The basic bolter variant is a dirt cheap CC machine. The laser destroyer seems to be one of the better anti-tank options in the game. The quad-launcher can get the absolutely hilarious panic(3) phosphex shells and will still take giant chunks out of power armor squads (it breaches now, but at 1D dont be fooled into thinking its vs terminators) and the grav cannons are a multi purpose thing that can CC both tanks and infantry fairly well and deal some damage to either target, but wont kill anything super dead.
Decide what you want for your army and buy accordingly. Or maybe figure out a way to magnetize (if thats even possible)
>>96131033Sorry bud, they need to make a dozen more monopose primaris lieutenants
>>96131084They did a multi-part Primaris Lieutenant.
>>96131012I hate the โEgyptianโ aesthetic so fucking much. Iโm gonna make my Tsons Greek.
>>96131007Imaginary arguments, clear sign of deep brainrot
>>96131091I'm not going to let them stop me from seething about it until the end of time
>>9613109140k players will have to make a decision on their model?
How will they cope
>>96131092>I hate the โEgyptianโ aesthetic so fucking muchThats what the TSons are though?
>Iโm gonna make my Tsons Greek.So world eaters/warhounds?
>>96131092Why? That's like complaining that WS have mongolian themes.
>>96131033The centurion version of that kit IS that kit
>>96131108World eaters are Roman. Youโd have a stronger case for iron hands there.
Thousand sons from now on, in my head canon, if they were good, are Ancient Greek now.
Has anyone got the Warsmith model next to a regular Cataphractii?
>>96131118>World eaters are RomanWarhounds/pre nails WE fought in phalanx formation
>>96131118>Saying WE are roman when UM exist>Forcing TS to be greek for no reasonAbsolutely psychotic.
>>96131092>I hate the defining theme of the faction>I will instead make my own special snowflake guysBased retard
>>96131120Wait for the new ones.
I bought the wrong rapiers offline, now Iโm stuck with basically useless heavy bolters or gay-ass grav guns
>>96131133Its in the book where they first find the butchers nails. Before angron made them batshit their deal was a slow advance with a shieldwall supported by bolterfire/spears. Implacably advancing into the teeth of the enemy and grinding them down.
They then abandon it for their more characteristic berserker rush when angron makes them implant the nails (basically out of spite)
>>96131142Ill buy them off you in that case.
Both of those are good. Bolters especially, theyre really cheap and have good suppressive power.
>>96131142Just imagine the sound of 4 heavy bolters firing simultaneously and everything will be fine
>>96130599Wait for the legacies rules anon, you won't know for sure what wargear options are gone until then. Don't go out buying shit based on incomplete information.
>>96131097just wait for the female loyalist WB
>>96128841Culture war aside, varied skin colours genuinely look bad on an army. It takes away from cohesion. You could however colour code your squads, rank, etc... (eg: All the rank and files of your penal legion are black, while the officers are white)
>>96131134>Saying WE are roman when UM existAre we being dead ass right now? Thereโs a reason why they made angron in particular very hostile to gorrilaman. Angrons supposed to be an analogue for Spartacus.
>>96131171>Claiming the slaves are romanThat's like saying niggers are american.
>>96131177I accept your concession
>>96131166I fucking love her rule, it looks so fucking fun
>>96130548He asked his wife to stop licking my butthole because it tastes bad when he kisses her after
Of course she didn't but who does he think he is?
>>96130548Because you're a fag, pardo
>>96130428Im not sure what you mean by "affair appropriate to the scale"
If you want less marines on the table you could just play lower point games?
HH is generally played at 3k because the bigger battles help with it feeling like an epic war between mighty armies, if you want to do skirmishes you can just play 1k games or zone mortalis or whatever surely?
>>96131138Shoulder pads being flush with the torso bros...
We won.
>>96131155>>96131157The heavy bolters look cool, at least. Iโm building a DG force so I wanted some more infantry-based antitank with the laser destroyers.
>>96129813>>96129000NL are romanians or english chavs.
NL are Australians or french
NL are slavs and anyone who says otherwise is wrong and gay
>>96131279That actually kinda checks out.
>>96131033God that kit was fucking SOUL.
>>96131279Slavs lack the complexity of social cohesion necessary to be Night Lords.
>>96130548IDK but fuck that guy
Though DESU after watching one of his videos this is the vibe i get off the guy
He was a nerd who got picked on on the time, then one day found a free weight started lifting and got just big enough to fill out a medium t-shirt to make himself look stronk, and then uses that as leverage to be a dick to anyone he can intimidate with that bulk because thats what happened to him in high school his whole life.
>>96131295I like to make my own
NL are american indians, based on their barbaric cruelty and how hard they get btfo by the Dark Angels (the English legion)
>>96131033that cross and backpack are on the Champion model, add other weapons from your kitbashing parts and slap some greenstuff on if you want a cape
>>96131306>anyone he can intimidate with that bulkThe dude is a hobbit, he's not going to be intimidating anyone.
>>96131332I know, thats why i said anyone he can, which is why i bet you anything IRL he is still a push over.
>>96131301>>96131315>>96131317>The real reason the other Legions say I'm too extreme...is because I'm black.
>>96131315>Nostromo: A Tale of the Seaboard is a 1904 novel by Joseph Conrad, set in the fictitious South American republic of "Costaguana".Night Cholos.
>>96131323I can't help but feel you missed the point
>>96131323>I'd like a multi part centurion with loads of options>you can make the boxart model if you buy a buy multiple kits to kitbashAre you trying to be helpful or are you being a bitch?
>>96131370>>I'd like a multi part centurion with loads of optionsnot going to happen with the subscription service army where a new monopose minor HQ gets released every 2 weeks
>>96131377Space Wolves if you consider that the Irish are viking rape babies.
>>96131387We know, don't worry, it's been like that for a decade or more
>>96131377The Irish were exterminated in M03, thank God.
>>96131377Iron Warriors. Losing thousands to a potato famine when you're surrounded by fishable waters is a very Perturabo move.
>>96131158Warsmith isn't in the list for things getting rules. I presume it's not just going to hand everything over from 2.0 in the doc.
>>96131377There isnt a legion whos military strategy is relying on their opponents being too nice to kill them.
>>96131398did the rivers turn green that day?
>>96131377>Terrorists>Burn in the sun>History's jobbersNL are Irish.
>>96131425>Bram StokerIt's all coming together.
>>96131171Spartacus was a roman auxiliary soldier before he became a slave and gladiator tho.
I'm trying to come up with a small list to start learning the game and the regular units seem straightforward enough, however I'm at a loss when it comes to which hq's to pick.
Could you help me out, anons?
>tallest imperial fist player
>>96131452stop showing that cunt, I rather see Macca than him
>>96131450Take a basic centurion, kit him how you like
>>96131452The funny part is, he is actually standing in this picture.
>>96131452who painted a beard onto that little boy
>>96131452for reference next to a normal size human
>>96131473He means warsmiths arent getting expanded rules in the legacy PDF, so they arent getting options they lost back (like being in power armor)
Is Pardo a literal midget? What the fuck
Absolutely mogged by the other guy.
>>96131486Firstborn vs Primaris
>>96131486>tallest imperial fist vs average iron warrior
>>96131450The things to consider for HQs are whether you're bringing them for their combat stats (moritats, vindicators, champions, centurions), their army building unlocks (champions, vindicators, siege breakers, praevians, centurions), or their buffs to their units or your army (chaplains, master of descent, master of signals, librarian, herald).
>>96131486IF players are all dysgenic runts
>>96131452I actually thought it was a shoop of that hobbit man that freaked out in a bagel shop a couple years ago
>>96131486yo please fucking tell me this is shopped or he is sitting down there is no fucking way this guy is this tall
>>96131514No, he is genuinely a hobbit.
beard is only like 6' or 5'11 so pardo is probably like 4'11 lmao
>>96131533>pardo fagginsHOLY FUCK, i almost spit out my coffee onto my monitor, jesus fuck dude
>>96131512Our IF player is the opposite of him (tall and a functional human), its kind of funny.
>>96131409Well sorry for trying to stop you from potentially throwing away money for no good reason, don't listen then you fucking asswit.
>>96130639You have to be a special kind of retard to believe that, not sure why this lie is spread here.
>>96130548Pardo can seem as a thin skinned sometimes but I guess you have to be kind of emotional guy to be so passionate about your hobby. He's easily the coolest HH guy on youtube, he dropped 40k just to focus on Heresy and I'm glad his channel is doing ok.
inb4 "buy an ad"
>>96129764some anon is all
>>96130684That's a 40k-tier retardation level. I'm sorry but you have to go back.
>>96131548>but I guess you have to be kind of emotional guy to be so passionate about your hobby.There's a difference between being passionate about your hobby and being an egotistical prick.
Go hook up with Pardo on Grindr or something you faggots, can we at least keep shitting on 3.0 instead of all this tsundere posting about some literal nobody who happens to post vids on YT.
Like who in their right mind even fucking cares about all these pathetic loser "influencers", I come here to talk about playing with plastic toy soldiers.
>>96131548Hi, Pardo. How many phonebooks did you need to stack on your chair to reach your keyboard, you halfling gaywad?
>>96131548pardo only stopped doing 40k content because his views were shitty so he wanted to focus on the 30k niche he could carve out.
his old world videos actually had the best views but his partner was the WHFB player and he left so pardo had to give up on that cash cow because pardo is too dumb for rank and flank.
>>96131569It's okay Pardo we all know you browse these boards. Nobody wants to hook up with you but your IF do look nice.
Havenโt kept up with leaks, so forgive me if this has been talked to death, but did James fuck up bayonets in 3e?
>>96131618Yes, they no longer give +1S, instead theyre simply Ap5 melee weapons, which is pointless for marines 99.9% of the time.
>>96131618Bayonets were already useless, only real purpose was filling out some leftover points in your list. The only thing bayonets did in 2.0 was make your tacticals be slightly more likely to win combat against other tacticals without bayonets, even despoilers would still kick their shit in.
In 3.0 regular bayonets only give AP 5 on your melee attacks, chain bayonets also have Shred 6+ (meaning damage 2 on a wound roll of 6)
Bayonets should have remained purely aesthetic anyway.
>>96131649Also tacs and vets can no longer get chainswords along their bolters, and chainswords have the same stats as chain bayonets now...
>>96131686Chainswords should have had +1 attack modifier
>>96131649Bayonets were funny for factions with charge buffs like the WE or BA but otherwise generally useless. Now they really are completely useless.
>>96131718No, power swords should have. Chainswords should have no ap5 no special rules
IH bros please help my smooth brain understand how the Legion works.
So at the highest level we have Clans, which are approximately equal to Chapters but are independent and self-sufficient with their own forges, fleets, recruits etc. Essentially the Legion is actually ~50 micro-Legions all drawn from the same planet and led by the same Primarch.
However for actual fighting, they will create an Order to fight a specific campaign or battle, given their own ships/troops and expected to fight as an independent organisation. These are often, but not always, made up of Legionaries from a single Clan. They are equipped with everything they need for that campaign and nothing more; failure and/or asking for help is shameful to the point of ritual bionic suicide via Immortals.
My question is below that level; are Orders permanent or are they ad-hoc arrangements of whichever Companies are to hand? Iron Hands still use specialist Companies but they come together to make a generalist Order? I don't really understand what makes an Order different to a standard Battalion.
>>96131732So you mean just be a basic combat weapon? The thing that all models are assumed to be equipped with by default?
>>96131745Honestly, I don't think it's really relevant during the actual Heresy as the Legion splits between strong personalities like Mor and Meduson and weak personalities like the old dorks garrisoned on Medusa.
>>96131753Close combat weapons have no AP.
The problem with Despoilers isn't chainswords specifically, the problem is once again tacticals are just superior in every way. Despoilers should get +1 A on the charge with chainswords like how tacticals get +1 FP when standing still with bolters.
Just got a bunch of heavy weapon teams in the mail for my militia, do we have the weapon profiles for the various options? Not sure how to build them. I assume lascannons, autocannons, etc are the same between armies right?
>>96131780You did so no ap5 in your post...
>>96131810Are you the ESL anon from yesterday? Please tell me you are.
>>96131292God it's sad to think how hard that era of multi-part kits are ending in GW. I think, if there's one thing I hate about Primaris most of all (and there's a pretty sizeable list) it's how they're all fucking monopose garbage, but because people buy them up, GW shits them out, at worse prices then when they were making multipart kits with a billion options on them.
>>96131354>"Costaguana"That ever come up in the NL lore, out of interest?
>>96131904It's not even just that they're garbage, it's that a bunch of them spell the end of those good older kits. That new kill team means the Deathwatch Veterans - and their many useful options - are now gone too. Bit by bit, we're losing what we had.
>>96131918And yet still people beg for plastic kits to get updated, even when it's very clear what will happen.
>>96131033i miss that little nigga like you wouldn't believe
>>96131921I will say, the main/only exception I've seen is the HH vehicles - they're typically pretty good.
>>96131941The dreads too. It's just anything to do with infantry that is bad in HH
Must be 2 different teams...
>>96131911No so far as I know.
>>96129647No. You have to cast two powers to have thralls explode
>>96131354>Costaguanalmao
>>96130639>He personally rated out hundreds of discord, mega, gofile, 3d artists, telegrams, Mastondon, that made 30k and 40k adjacent content to GWInfringement team to get goodboy points.Is there proof of this beyond leaker-kun claiming it?
>>96129583>EC get the only Prime High Command:D
>Daemon Fulgrim tax Zzz
>>96130068>Exodus is no longer an HQ, meaning he doesn't unlock a detachment. He's now and Elite :(
>This means he can be given a prime:O
>But not Paragon or Master Sarge, as he lacks Command, Champion or Sergeant traits. He can only be given Logistical or Veteran (+1Lds):(
For a second I imagined Paragon Ballistic Skill 9 Exodus. In 2.0 I used him to ambush units during deployment, killed their sergeants in duels and made units fall back turn 1. Won't get to do any of that anymore oof
>>96130068Thanks anon. Fellow Excel user tip: limit numbers to 2 decimals, center them, then go to Conditional Format and, by column, make it so the better number is in green and lowest in red.
That will highlight which number is the better one in real time. Thanks for your work m8
>>96130684They have no legion heraldry? They stand for nothing, and shall fall for anything
>>96131138>Destroyer>Old Mk IVWhere's this from?
>>96129583Does anyone have an image of what these silhouettes represent again? I am behind the curve.
>>96132122These will never not be retarded.
>>96132122Ty! That is.... mostly helpful. I am surprised the Hammer of Olympia only includes a heavy transport slot and no general heavy supports.
>>96132128What you mean anon, HH is the Space Marines game! Of course the faction agnostic iconography needs to be entirely based upon the silhouettes of space marines :^)
>>96132144guess we can replace iconography on shoulder pads with space marine silhouettes now
>>96132143That's what the ironfire is for
Once I fill up on tacticals, support squads and heavy weapon squads plus some HQs (multiple mkIV boxes) and maybe some rhinos, what else should I get when it comes to generic units? I'm probably going to with Word Bearers, alternatively Night Lords, Imperial Fists or Salamanders.
Does anyone have a new tarantula they could put next to the old tarantula?
Just put together some saturnine termis that got shipped to me early, and they really are impressively chunky, especially as a unit.
If anyone plays Orks, it's like the warm feeling you get when looking at a unit of Killa Kans.
>>96132186for a generic army you might need Terminators with an appropriate car and Dreads.
But it makes more sense to decide before you buy a ton of plastic due to the specific play styles and units.
>>96132218maybe kitbashing them into Orks is the best option
>>96131954I don't suppose at any point in NL lore, there's been two captains who keep having duels over time, and everyone is convinced that it must be over some great and dramatic rift between the two. But actually it's just because one of them is so petty a shit he can't let his first accidental loss go?
>>96132238How big are they? Like Ghazghkull?
>>96132220>Giving the advice to buy dreadnoughtsShill alert.
>>96132220kek dreads are terrible in 3.0
>>96132271Macca says 1 Dreadnought per 1k points.
>>96128936Just 3 more years, anon :^)
>>96132274nobody except Pardo plays 3rd
>>96132276that is the bright side of 3.0 being dogshit... by the time i finish painting shit itll be 4.0 already so i wont have to play 3.0 at all
>Hmm, EC having a detachment with a retinue slotโthat's pretty cool.
>They changed Phoenix termies slot from elites to retinue.
Holy kek, I missed that. Now it makes sense why they are so gimped.
5 command tartaros termies cost 220 points
armed with c-bolters (they can change them for combi weapon of volkite charger for free)
and power weapons (they can buy 2LCs for 10)
5 phoenix termies with 5 sonic lances cost 225
armed with Sonic Lances (a pretty good assault weapon against 1w in 3+)
and Phoenix Spears (an AP3 weapon with the +1i of Power Lance, +1S of power Axe, Breaching 6 of Power Sword and Power Maul! (wtf I love phoenix spears now) and D2 on a charge)
Now this is where the trade-off occurs:
Phoenix termies have +1 WS for defensive/offensive purposes only and +1 to LD and CL on a sergeant for a price of 1 attack that Command Squad Termies have. It all makes sense now (at least in the mind of the James Workshop's game designer, I guess). (Yeah, CS can buy a banner and grenade harness, but)
I guess the only way to fix them is to give them a centurion with TH or to drop them from rhinos (we can do that now) against 3+, where spears will help them to strike first anyway.
>>96131732>power swords should have (gained +1A)Oof true
>Chainswords should have no ap5 no special rulesWith useless AP, shred 6 is basically no special rule at all lol
I really do think swords could stand having +1A
>>96132310Rhino's have the Light Transport rule, meaning models with Bulky are not allowed to embark.
>>96132266I've never actually bought Ghazghull, but from my memory no. They might be tall enough to look him in the eye, but they're not nearly so massive in the other dimensions.
>>96132339>Light Transportdamn you are right, GODDAMNIT!!!![iohjfewjpg]ojpgsde]poj
>>96132371GW is incompetent, but not quite at the level where they forget that terminators don't fit inside a Rhino. Yet.
Considering an allied Death Guard detachment, painted up a test model. I don't have any Death Guard transfers but I do have the Legions Imperalis transfer sheet, put a DG symbol on his knee and an eye of horus on his shoulder.
Would that be totally setting breaking in anyway? I figure the SoH icon could be used to represent anyone who has alligned with the traitors, rather than just the SoH legion itself.
>>96131745>~50 micro-LegionsThere's 50 clans? I thought they were still the same, just tens thousand+ marines strong each
I do like that Ferrus allows infighting, assassinations and politicking among his legion, as long it doesn't get in the way of the Crusade, as it keeps them on their toes. Ork-like, it ensured the klanz were led by the deadliest warlords possible
>asking for help is shameful to the point of ritual bionic suicide via ImmortalsYes, but asking for help isn't the only way to have multiple clans in the same order. It could be the Primarch's order. It could be that some clan has demanded they are included in the order of battle because duty compels then, or because a warlord has forced his way in. It could be that is isn't help, but the clanhead is cashing in a favour to another, or that a warlord calculates fighting an easy war on someone's behalf can be a way to buy favour for a time of need in some future, more difficult fight
The Iron Hands only became cold and machine-like because Ferrus goaded their ruthlessness to the point of inhumanity
It's like if politicians weren't old and fat, but superhumanly deadly AND twice as heartless
>>96132415>I figure the SoH icon could be used to represent anyone who has alligned with the traitors, rather than just the SoH legion itself.Sorta, kinda. Some traitors wore an eye of horus/of the serpent to mark their allegiance to the Warmaster (specially if they were close to the SoH). But no legionary would replace their own legion icon with it.
>>96132274>implying anyone but YT paramecia and plebbitors will play 3elmoa
Forgot to mention,
>>96132186 is for 2.0 since that's what the guys at the club play.
>>96132220Terminators, of course.
>>96129077>Put them with a Praevian and you take Intelligence tests on Int9 at -2 to the scoreI do not believe in Praevians. Castellax aren't much without a cyber theurgist who can give improve their stats
>>96132445I just only realized they changed the name of Shock Assault to Heavy Assault
>>96129170>Teleports>Steals stuff, refuses to elaborate >Leaves
>>96130165Never liked Arcuitors be loyalist only. It is good that their order is basically Mechanicum Inquisition, but tech assassins are fun for everyone.
>The main doctrine is wrong>Loyalist or traitor, anyone who follows it is a heretic, and shall be exterminated
Anyone have a pic of Ironfire? Saw
>>96132174mention it but I have not seen the rules
>>96131006>What is the source of the hatred?Not Chaplains, regretfully.
>>96131092>Iโm gonna make my Tsons Greek.So, Turkish?
>>96132598Members of the Roach Cult.
So are the new Saturnine termis ___fun___?
>>96129077I'm putting them with a master of signals and plopping them down on a back line objective or in a building to coordinate the battle
>>96132617No. You're not allowed to regard them positivley.
>>96131786Tacticals retained a version of FotL because it's fluffy. Despoilers lost SotL because... reasons.
>>96132582>Ironfirenta but 2 arquitors (one with prime advantage) and 2 support units. i guess its for bs5 on one of the arquitors or something
>>96132617I have heard the praetor is 64 pieces which seems annoying. However the normal ones are apparently very posable which is cool.
>>96132643>because... reasons.they have 2a by default now
>>96132617dunno about fun, but turns out the minis are super poseable with articulated knees and elbows.
GW is retarded for not having featured this, instead giving the official models the most boring and rigid possible pose.
>>96132690Arguably, the changes to how Bolters works gives Tacs the equivalent of 2a by default, 3 with FotL.
>>96132684Shame the whole design is so... that.
>>96132677I think it is just the unique detachment. You get a prime slot aquitor but you can only give it the +1 to leadership stats or logistical advantage for prime advantages.
>>96132702Are their blank chests or did that guy scrape and sand?
>>96132737Scraped and Sanded
>>96132737Removed. It should not even be there, IMO. It's a retarded RT callback that doesn't belong in an HH mini unless it's EC
>>96132708sure, and despoilers can volley on a charge with bolt pistols (and can take 3 other pistols in 10m squad.)
>>96132758It's not the fucking Palatine Eagle, for the last time
>>96132735ah right bs bonus is only for command types, my mistake
>>96132702Why does the most posable space marine GW has made in years have to look like a porta-potty for an abortion of an edition?
>>96132737>>96132756>Scrape and sand, until it is done
>>96132768It looks like it belongs in G.I. Joe
>>96132702They look pretty cool.
>>96129949working on my saturnine box
also i loved your typhon man
>>96132758AAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHH THE AQUILASSSSSSSS
SAVE ME BLIGH IM GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANEEEEEEEEE
>>96132684>>96132702>ditch pads>two fists>add some techy bits, search light on shoulder, etc.>maybe a cage around the head>head swapWhat else to make it back into an exo-suit?
>>96132310On one side, I'm glad vanilla Terminator Command squads fill a niche, elite terminators fill another, and regular terminators another one. That really is the best scenario
On the other hand, it is hard to accept a timeline where elite terminators aren't the best legion units.
Also, Phoenixes could very well afford to be 3A base. They kill only 1 terminator otherwise, and that's conditional to the charge. They do shit outside it.
Phoenix spears are very good power spears, but at the end of the day they are power weapons on a unit expected to fight thunder hammer terminators.
They effectively lost 1A to gain +0.5 WS
>>96132768yeah, it's more like a retarded fat chicken than a proper aquila, palatine or not.
But anyway it's an EC aquila, as it's the same design used in the AoD sword praetor. That mini was 100% designed as EC
>>96132779Primes on non-mechanicun vehicles are pretty much restricted to Logistical Benefit. Vanguard, Retinue or, hilariously, Heavy Transports.
Boy not only did RoWs die, Dedicated Transport slots went away too
>>96132845Hey look, a weapon that does 2D only 25% of the time :O
>>96132845It looks nothing like the EC aquilla you inbred swine.
>>96132798Oh cheers mate. Also enjoying your efforts on the TS - particularly the shading and segmentation which some people really fuck up when they're doing candy red
couldnt alpha legion theoretically take a crusade force and 3 officer cadres to steal 4 units as their prime advantage to do it is on command only
>>96130068Am I reading this correctly that my Autocannons outshine lascannons?
>>96132763A tactical squad could very well fire 5 shots each before Despoilers can close with their puny 2A that misses Tacticals 50% of the time.
I do not count their bolt pistol snapshots because they have no interest in making their 4.46" charge any harder
>>96132877Officer Cadres are an apex detachment, anon. How are you getting three of them?
>>96132798What's your recipe for that red?
>>96132898by being a retard and misreading an image that had the detachments on it
whats the new detachment in the journal? if there is one
>>96132871that's my point, the design sucks because is not the proper EC or standard imperial aquilas.
It's a stupid fat bird that doesn't belong. GW calling it the Saturnine Aquila was even more retarded when non Saturnine models already featured it.
>>96132899baal red over vallejo liquid metal rich gold, with some gloss varnish on top
>>96132834I think that between command squads and normal terminators, there is a sufficient difference now with the introduction of Vanguard. Command terminators have WS5 and 1 more attack, and normal terminators have an ability to score a lot of VPs if they are aggressive. (And some special terminators like Justaerins can do both.)
I would honestly let Phoenixes have 2 attacks if they would give them -1 to hit with a defensive stance and +1 to hit in an offensive one, which I don't think would affect either their or Phoenix Guard's offensive capability that much (since they only have AP3 weapons) but would outline their martial prowess.
Maybe I'm underestimating the lack of artificer armor and stubborn-like abilities, though.
Is there a decent channel on Telegram for Heresy?
>>96132913i only have master of descent one
>>96132798Thousand Sons look good in MkII, you're making me waver from Night Lords.
Are "Reserves" a blanket term or specific type, eg it actually means "non flyers". Trying to figure out of a MoS makes aerial reserves better.
Taking my first look through the leaked libers & rulebooks:
Is the 32 melta rhino spam meme list (rules as written) legal?
I haven't found anything so far that says you need to have troops assigned to your transports (though the PDF scan I have appears to be out of order, maybe I missed a section). Anyone here who knows the rules able to confirm?
>>96133000Yes it is 100% legal to run nothing but MM Rhinos
>>96132991I think Reserves is all models that don't go on the table before turn 1
>>96132884Against heavy vehicle, no.
Against everything else yes. On top of being cheaper. Volume of fire + breaching is pretty good.
>>96132991>flyers are reservesyes
>>96133000What is the meme? Taking nothing but multi melta hss in rhinos?
>>96133000Yes it is legal
No you won't win
Vehicles have no way to score and no way to trigger Vanguard so they can only win off secondaries
>>96133065No no no. What you do is take nothing but Rhinos with pintle mounted multi-meltas.
So I bought a Malcador a few months ago, and now turns out they aren't going to have Legion rules in HH3 after 2 editions :-(
Can anybody give an actual explanation as to why the leaker gave so much hate to Pardo? And no, the SN guys didn't snitch on 3d prints or animation creators.
I understand that using competitive lists is not loved by everybody but I appreciate the effort to upload exclusively heresy batreps consistently since 1.0 and organizing the Gibraltar tournaments and events
>>96133101use it as Predator or Vindicator
>>96133108Plot twist: Pardo was the leaker and everything else a ploy for plausible deniability
>>96133108>the SN guys didn't snitch on 3d prints or animation creators.nice try, Pardo. It is still a no-go to use ad hominems in debates, so fuck off and play with some Saturnine.
>>96133122What debate are you talking about? I've just heard that someone on reddit leaked his personal info and shit and guessed that originated here
>>96133117Plot twist: Pardo is actually IG fag
>>96133101Get a commamd sentinel and take an allied detachment and enjoy your new BS3
>>96133108Crawl back into your basement, Pardo Faggins.
>>96132677What a weird limitation
>>96132901;__;
I wouldn't mind Special Assignment unlocked an apex detachment. But I don't know when I'm being silly, so I'd like to hear anons on this
>>96133089I think you max out at 21 (4 in primary, 4x4 in armoured fist, 1 logistical benefit).
But the question is why? There are so many better cheap boxes w/ mm to spam to get your kicks.
>>96133186There's no limit on the number of auxiliary detachments, and you can take duplicates. As long as you got the centurions, you can field an infinite amount of rhinos.
>>96133136the debate doesn't matter, his reaction matters. The screenshot is like 20 threads in the past, I don't look that up.
>>96133108General principle?
>>96133151I think you're stupid,but I also think GW is stupid for breaking their own rules and giving elite and retinue access willy nilly to certain legions.
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Tactica journals remind me of the old fanatic and fanatic-style magazines and WD sections that added random stuff to the games usually in the form of variants and remixes of existing stuff and I like that. I don't like having to pay for them though. Maybe if they are like 5โฌ.
Still no sign of Liber Auxilia or Questoris?
>>96132677Do we have rules on the Arquitors yet? I remember the rockets were the best option last edition
>>96133237Lol. Lmao even.
>>96133238Nobody bothers with those, since only shills and influencers will be "playing" 3.0
>>96133238I could go pick up the auxilia book today but I am too lazy to drive 40 minutes for it. Most of the interesting things have been leaked, what are you wanting?
>>96133237Journals are not a bad idea per se. But I have zero faith in GW after the lame HH2 supplements of which only Cthonia was somewhat barely decent.
The HH game authors no longer have the panache after Bligh died and French stopped writing lore for them.
>>96133237Closer to 20โฌ
>>96133150I think they just want IW to embrace artillery with that detachment. two arquitors, two rapiers, and a siege breaker that unlocks phosphex for both weapons.
>>96133108>Can anybody give an actual explanation as to why the leaker gave so much hate to Pardo?Probably as a joke. But pardo was suspected of snitching (or being a potential snitch) when the leaker was dumping in the discord.
>>96133210You can only have 4 characters in primary detachment. So 4 aux detachments.
>>96133243sure, there is a almost full LA compilation in gofile in OP with all the units, legions etc
>>96133251Doctrines, wargear and detachments for starters
>>96133210>There's no limit on the number of auxiliary detachments, and you can take duplicates. As long as you got the centurions, you can field an infinite amount of rhinos.I can't tell if you're retarded or ESL. Your detachments are limited by command choices in the primary and in allied detachments by the points percenatage. There are, in fact, limits.
>>96133267Yeah that will be a dealbreaker. I'm not paying 20โฌ for two remix units and a single mission.
>>96133237they remind me of the absolute shitshow that games design, production and format must be at GW where the SGS decides to tack on whatever bits of TOW it happens to like to 2.0 to make a new edition.
>>96133275One of the auxiliary detachments is more command that unlocks more auxiliary detachments.
>>96133275>Centurions are Officer of the Line 2, letting you take 2 auxiliary detachments for each one you bring>Officer cadre apex detachment for another 2 centurions>Unlimited allied detachments each with another 2 centurions per allied different legion
>>96133275centurions unlock 2 aux detachments.
>>961332757, centurions and other officers of the line unlock multiple aux detachments.
Add the command company prime detachment and you can have a total of 12 aux detachments using one high command and 6 command slots.
>>96133078>WinningWho said anything about winning?
>>96133150>We NEED to move this inventory at onceReminder the Rapier Slot (it's a stupid icon) can be used for techmarines, apothecaries, TSS and HSS
GW have resin stuff back in stock on the UK store, if you lads have been waiting for something
>>96133315Just about all of which are thematically appropriate for an artillery detachment.
>>96133277>https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0NOh shit, my bad. Thanks!
I did not realize that heavy support squads count as support.... alright that sounds very dumb when I say it out loud.
>>96133236>Some legions shouldn't rely so much elitesI'm certain I misread something here
>>96132702still looks like shit. Having a weird human-style pose makes the proportions and shoulders look even more retarded. The only way the things make sense is if they're dreadnoughts, the arms and legs and head are too far apart otherwise. And if it's just a mech it doesn't need to rest a hand on a knee or point a gun at the sky or do weird dancee poses. It just needs weapons pointed towards enemies.
>There are no wolves on Fenris.
>There are no wolves on Luna.
>There are no lions on Caliban.
>There are no ravens on Kiavahr.
>There are no angels on Baal.
You'd think this gets tired after a while but it really doesn't.
>>96133277>>96133332For the record I was going through this myself and it is missing a couple of minor things. Like the entire weapons page that the Volkite Weapons are on, and what Master of the Legion does. There's probably others, but those are things I've found.
Are Volkite Chargers still Assault Weapons? I'm assuming they are, but I know Rotor Cannons aren't so, I'd like to be sure.
I had never built a resin mini before and I'm working on my Siege Breaker now and honestly surprised by how easy it is to assemble this guy.
Are they all like this or is he just surprisingly easy?
>>96133357>There are no warriors on Olympia
>>96133338Making Saturnine an advanced mini-dread pattern with a crippled marine inside (but not as bad as the ones in full dreads) would make sense, yeah.
The retarded part comes with GW pretending that it was used by all legions
>>96133364Knew I should have saved the volkite profiles when the individual pages were being leaked...
Volkite chargers do have the Assault trait yes.
>>96133108Lol. Lmao even.
>>96133270But the Siege Breaker's own detachment is better, it has 2 slots for rapiers and 2 for Vindicator Siege Tanks OR Arquitor Bombards.
The IW one is strictly worse unless you don't take a Siege Breaker.
>>96133364>Master of the Legion does.+1 reaction
>volkite pagepicrel
>>96133379I've just read the drama on the last 20 threads and jesus fucking christ what a schizophrenic trip that was, not asking anymore about pardo lore
>>96133402>>96133374Don't worry lads, I just noticed that unlike 2.0 I can only swap the chainsword to anything else and therefore the whole unit is illegal. But thanks. Nice to know that I can use Volkite for Volley Attacks. Shame my Escaton Fist Headman with Rotor Cannons not legal either.
Also they lost Infiltrate for some reason?
>>96133357>>There are no angels on Baal.Somehow this is the only one that's literally untrue since there are actual angels on Baal.
>>96133000I can't be bothered, how much fudging would it be to make this list legal?
3000 point army, 17 multimelta rhinos 1445 points, 55 tactical marines 550 points, siegebreaker 105 points, 12 phosphex rapiers 900 points.
Use 17 rhinos to block line of sight forever, take out any tanks using 17 multimeltas. Take out infantry using 12 phosphex rapiers lobbing 12 S5 AP3 3" blasts with 1d6 scatter, poison3+ breaching5+ to kill terminators and panic(3) to force the enemy to run backwards off caps so your 55 tactical marines can move onto caps behind the rhino+phosphex wall. Make walls 4-6 deep of rhinos so that enemy cannot kill enough rhinos on his turn to shoot the rapier batteries, and spread batteries behind different rhino walls.
>>96133364Rules of what exactly a drop pod do are missing (Orbital vehicle)
>>96133380Ooooh, I like that.
>>96133424>Deepstrike behind you
>>96133380>Siege Breaker's own detachmentYeah, but I guess it can only be taken once per siege breaker. Maybe Ironfire is for other support units.
>>96133445and get shot to death by 55 tactical marines and 12 rapier batteries, since deepstrikers can't charge anything and aren't a secret - anyone knows before the game starts if you put 700 points of terminators waiting in deepstrike and then they'd just screen their rear and when the 10 termies land 12 phosphex breaching5+ blasts would absolutely melt them.
>Drop pod assault is dead
>But something similar is still possible with Dreadclaws
I predict plastic dreadclaw models soon that GW really wants to sell
>>96133436We know. It just says it has deep strike and can't deploy in any other way.
>>96133336No legion should be relying much on elites. One of the good things about the new force org chart was making legion specific shit way more restricted, until they ruined with infinite deathwing and justerians. It is a good thing for an army to only have 1 or 2 of their special Terminator
>>96133419>Also they lost Infiltrate for some reason?And precision hits.
But curze gives infiltrate back. So thats probs why.
>>96133478DA already don't have a legion trait any more, let them have something alright.
>>96133419NL seems like a debuff and kill in melee legion now; all their special units have Vanguard, and Raptors can take THs and attack with them like EC on a charge. (Termie Command Squads with NL prime adavantage too)
>Also they lost Infiltrate for some reason?picrel
>>96133380You can only take 1 siege breaker detachment per siege breaker, you can take 2 ironfires per centurion
>>96133424Nothing in this list actually kills terminators or tanks well.
>>96133500phosphex kills terminators just fine, multimeltas kill tanks fine. And you don't technically have to murder terminators when panic3 makes them sprint for 2 phases away from your army.
>>96133281I mean, unless you are Ultramarines lol. Then you're limited only by how many it's you have
>>96129583
>>96133498I suppose that's true, but the Siege Breaker giving you a choice of Vindicator or Bombards is making it more attractive until we have plastic Bombards. Resin vehicles are misery.
only macca can save the heresy
>>96133496Yeah, but the problem with the Terror Squad is that you can either take a Melee option, or you can take guns that put debuffs on people. You can no longer do both.
Before the entire squad could be outfitted with a mix of Rotor Cannons and Volkite Chargers (plus more things, but Rotor Cannons could Pin, so that procc'd the old ability) as well be given Chain-Axes or even Chain-Glaives if you were feeling like splashing out. You'd infiltrate turn one during the night-fight rules and you'd pin with the rotors and then delete with the Volkite.
Now... you either take someone who can shoot and put a debuff on the target, or you take someone whose only useful in combat, but useless outside of it. You need to put debuffs to get your +1WS bonus, but if you do that, you're fighting with your base CC weapon BECAUSE PISTOLS ARE FUNCTIONALLY USELESS IN THIS EDITION UNLESS YOU'RE MORITAT.
Like. There's no way this page wasn't writted by ChatGPT. No human would go "What's a good thing to replace for a better gun. Chainsword. That's it." It would emotionally disgust any human being to think that.
>>96133512>phosphex kills terminators just fineIts a small blast breaching 5+ damage 1 weapon. It REALLY doesent.
>multimeltas kill tanks fineYou wound think so but no, not from any distance greater than 8"
Its a one shot s8 gun, its going to be doing literally nothing most of the time. With 17 you will manage to drag a predator or whatever down through weight of fire, but its going to be "just about", and something one popped smoke or some cover will ruin for you.
>you dont technically have to murder terminatorsTrue on paper Less true when a group teleports behind you.
>>96133536There's some real
>"ME GRIMLOCK SMARTEST OF ALL DINOBOTS"Energy in that sentence.
>>96133291That's apex. The UM are the only ones who get an Aux detachment with a Command unit, and it is restricted to Optae only (and can't bring any Light Transport)
>>96133536with all due respect I don't think the game is going to be improved by a guy who gets his nickname from being a fat bastard
>>96133357Imagine all the Imperial people who see aquilas, IG/Army lions, etc. but have never seen said animals in real life or even know what they're called. I'm positive most Imperials think eagles actually have two heads, because how would they know? All they've ever seen is the two-headed aquila everywhere.
>>96133402Man I've got a DG caliver squad. Yeah I know that was pointless when I could have just done a culverin HSS but it seems like there's even less point to a caliver TSS now.
so what do critical hits do again?
due to having such high BS
>>96133313Isnt it only 28 rhinos?
4 in main detachment, along with 4 Centurions who unlock 8 detachments with 2 transports each.
That's 20 from the main detachment.
The allied detachment is 2 centurions for 8 rhinos and oh fuck you can bring unlimited allies up to 50% pts cost
>>96133583caliver squad is substantially cheaper than a culverin squad, it's a difference of something like 70 points in favour of TSS now
>>96133424>I can't be bothered, how much fudging would it be to make this list legal?A little.
You need roughly 3 armored fist detachments for those extra 13 rhinos (assuming you use one prime logistics for a rhino)
55 marines is doable with just 4 units, but depending on how you split them you might need a tactical support detachment (good news incoming)
You will need 2 tactical support detachments for those rapiers, because you need at least 3 groups of 4 (or 4 groups of 3, its all the same detachments wise)
So thats 5 detachments extra, your siege breaker unlocks one. So you need two centurions for the other 4,
>>96133547>With 17 you will manage to drag a predator or whatever down through weight of fireAt BS4 vs the Front armour of a Predator (5HP) a multimelta at 6" or less has a 1/9 chance of destroying it with one hit, same as the chance of a BS4 bolt pistol killing MEQ outright
the problem seems to be that you don't know how melta has always functioned
>>96133543>pin with the rotors and then delete with the Volkite.Rotors now force suppression on HIT, and any unit with a status reduces its initiative to 1. And you are getting +1 to WS. Seems fine to me, much better even. The only problem is deployment (i.e., storm eagle).
>>96133461>and get shot to death by 55 tactical marines and 12 rapier batteriesThat both wont kill terminators in any reasonable manner and will also take several time more reactions than you have available. You have two in that list.
>>96133601Armoured Fist detachment has 4 transport slots. So it's 8 Rhinos for each Centurion.
>>96133593>what do critical hits do again?pn hit X autowound that counts as 6 and +1D
>>96133583My IW have a 10 man Caliver squad as well. I'm gonna use them anyway because they look cool.
>>96133357There WERE two lions on Caliban within living memory, though.
>>96133424Phospher rapier are kinda shit at killing stuff due to being D1. Their main advantage is causing panic on units holding objectives.
>>961336088" or less for a multi melta. But your rhino isnt going to be 8" away from the front armor of a predator, so thats irrelevant.
And firing at the front armor of a predator (Av13) from anywhere outside of 8" the multi melta has only a 1/6 chance to pen, so after a 2/3 chance to hit you have a 1/9 chance at damage. At 5HP and 3HP per pen it will take roughly 15 shots to kill (actually closer to 18 probably if you want to account for the fact its functional 6HP given the damage breakpoints). If it pops smoke and reduces incoming damage by 1/3 for a phase then you just dont kill it.
So thats 1500pts+ to kill one 100pts tank. No, those multi meltas are not reasonable anti tank firepower in this edition.
>>96133612The problem is that Terror Squads can either have a gun that causes a status effect. OR they can have a good Close Combat weapon (or a Chainaxe) to capitalise on that, they can no longer have both. Who would even think of this? Only a yoghurt.
>>96133601>>96133313I just did some quick messing around with a list and managed to fit 25 rhinos, 40 tacticals and some techmarines easily. I didn't even use the transport slots in the primary detachment.
>>96133616>55 tacticals marine unleashing their full firepower>1 terminator dead and one wounded>12 Reaper battery with phosphex unleashing their full firepower>Average less than one termi per shot due to being D1>Panic your own tacticals due to scatterYeah, you're dead.
>>96133629If Fenrisian wolves aren't wolves then Calibanite lions definitely weren't lions.
>>96133582Just imagine being the poor bureaucrat trying to manage shipments to Medusa, because there are (at least) two of those and they're on opposite ends of the Galaxy.
>>96133649Why rhino instead of dual multi melta land speeders ?
It's a 5pts difference for twice the firepower.
>>96133644Just give them some flamers/rotors and the rest chainblades, let them cause their own statuses and then charge people for the kill. Or hell, you dont even need combat weapons vs their preffered targets (tacticals) and its not like chainswords (or even chain axes) do too much, so you can just take volkite and rhino rush people. Between the shooting and the volley fire you kill most of the squad, finish up the survivors in melee with your 2A and +1 to wound and take those sweet sweet vanguard VP
More numbers.
Veteran Tactical Squads are kinda shit.
Saturnine Termie, Dread and Tanks next.
Do not hesitate to ask for specific units/loadouts.
>>96133644 I mean, you want i1 enemies, WS5, good ranged weapons, and good melee weapons for 140-145 points? I guess you have to choose.
>>96133644Anon most people would think to pick between a 2 handed ranged weapon or a melee weapon and pistol
>>96133655literally none of that is true. The person deepstriking has to let the opponent know in advance, so it's not a trap at all, if you choose to deepstrike terminators, they cost a lot more than the number of 85 point rhinos that can wall them off, and a single phosphex squad hitting will panic them to run off to the very edge of the board and your 700 point terminator squad is out for the entire 4 turn game literally, without having killed a single model. And the dirt cheap rhino behind the army which prevents all termie deepstrike units is enough spacing that it's nearly impossible for the phosphex to hit friendly tacticals with just 1d6" average scatter from the exact terminator farthest away from them. Yeah, you're fucking retarded.
>>96133670It's just a shame, because as stated if you Suppress them their Initiative goes down to 1, and at that point, Chainaxes are actually pretty good, since that mitigates the initiative penalty, and now, with Hatred they're wounding on a 2, hitting on 3.
They were SO fucking close to being actually really fucking nasty in their select role.
>>96133697Okay but you dont need a full unit of rotors to suppress. You can take say 8 chain axes and 2 rotor cannons, or 7 chain axes, 2 rotors and a flamer.
You then fire the rotor cannons, get your proc, make them test at -2 between the suppressive and fear, maybe fire off your flamer to also make them take a panic test at -1 for good measure. You then charge in, hit on 3s wound on 2s while going first into a target that almost certainly cant fight back. If you splurge a bit more and take chainglaives thats even going to put the hurt on melee units (anything in power armor anyways)
>>96133666I haven't read all the rules, can you tank shock enemy infantry with speeders?
>>96133679Oh my god those disintigrator numbers. What the fuck.
>>96133679could i request DG las rapiers, autocannon HSS, and saturnine dread with inversion beamers?
admittedly, the dread loadout isn't out yet but we know the weapon stats.
Thank you!
>>96133679Siege Tyrants pls
>>96133737They look alright against 2 wound models with 3+ save like Outriders. They just have a very specific and narrow niche.
>>96133679I'm retarded and do not understand how to read this.
>>96133744>the dread loadout isn't out yetanon..
>>96133726Unfortunately. Since my NL's were built for second edition, I had 5 with Volkites, 5 with Rotors and the Sarg had an Escaton Claw. With numerous ones having Chain weapons modelled on them.
>>96133694>so it's not a trap at allIts not a trap, its just something that list cant deal with.
>wall them off with rhinosA unit of 5 terminators is worth like 200pts, the second you spend two rhinos walling them off (which they WILL kill, trivially) they already basically made their points back. And remember, they dont scatter, they just pick a point and show up there. So youre going to need a lot of rhinos.
>And the dirt cheap rhino behind the army which prevents all termie deepstrike unitsIm not sure if this is a bit or what, but the amount of rhinos it would take to effectively block off your deployment zone is enormous, with that sort of point commitment the terminators have already won the game even before the show up. They turned 1500pts of rhinos into some terrible backline fire support.
>>96133694Bruh, have you even played one game of 30k ?
>Deep strike can now be 1" away>You have less than a chance in 4 to panic a 700pts terminator deathstar with your 12 shots of puny D1 AP - weapons. That's assuming you get lucky with your scater and manage to hit 3 terminator every shot>That's focusing your entire army on them while you old max 1 objective and the rest of my army shoot at youYour army will :
>Get outgunned because you have terrible point efficiency for shooting>Have no melee>Can only castle, any tactical/rhino going out will get killed before doing anything, or worst, just give your opponent vanguard VP.Like, it's shit at being a brawl army, it's shit at winning the mission, and it's only fun for you and your opponent the first time.
>>96133760That loadout still works. Volkite is decent since you fire it on the volley, and rotors are still pretty good too (well, as good as they were beforehand, which is "decent but overpriced"). Just count the escaton as a power fist (which is what it was, and what that model is) and youre still guchi.
>chainwordsAre just regular combat weapons in the new edition. Its not like they actually do anything
>>96133763Terminators only kill things in melee.
You can no longer charge in the same turn you deep strike.
There's an entire movement phase to just move away from the terminators, and an entire shooting phase to shoot the terminators with as many units as it takes to kill them.
>>96133679Plasma TSS and missile launchers HSS
Also SoH seekers/vets with banestrike bolters
>>96133737One shot of S4 is shit. Who could have guessed ?
>>96133770NTA but rapiers DO have a decent chance to panic a terminator deathstar. Especially one that DS in. They realistically cap out at LD10 and the rapier gives panic -3, so thats a 40%~ chance that they run (theyll rally, but thats still them taken out for a turn). It just doesent trigger off the reaction and cant be really pushed past that point unless theyre night lords.
>>96133773>Just count the escaton as a power fist (which is what it was, and what that model is) and youre still guchi.Unfortunately you can't give him a Rotor Cannon or a Melee Weapon since the Sarg can only swap his Melee weapon for another. Unless there's some listbuilding option in Prime Advantages I'm unaware of.
>>96133664Also important not to mix Terra and Terrax.
>>96133755as in it's not for sale, not that it's not known
>>96133625oh so exodus gets an AP2 D3 wound in on a 4+?
neat
>>96133782>disintegrators s4They just need some help from phage(T) weapons. Do we still have Rad missiles? I don't think so; only grenades are left, also mechanicum.
>>96133785>>96133773Although, you can sort of give them Infiltrate back by making them an Interdiction Cadre. Just have them pop up when a Tactical squad moves and Snap Shot them to shit. I would assume that Heavy doesn't work when you just appear from Reserves like that, so you can't just offload 20 Rotor Cannon shots, followed up by 10 Volkite Charger shots. True they're only hitting on 5's, but there's a lot of dice here, even if it's just 15 Rotor Cannon shots.
>>96133809I think the Mori get's Rad Grenades, although I vaguely recall seeing Phage SOMEWHERE in the on of the Legion special units. Might have been the Bangle Not!Destroyers?
>>96133775>Terminators only kill things in melee.Wrong. Terminators carry guns, of which even the light weapons are fairly potent, and can even carry heavy weapons now.
>thats a whole movement phase to run away from themIf your entire army wants to play "run away from terminators" for the rest of the game instead of doing anything productive, then thats going to be fine with your opponent.
>shoot themNone of your options for that are any good. Rapiers and multi meltas dont kill terminators well and bolters dont kill them at all. You can fire your entire army into a unit of terminators and theres a decent chance it will survive.
Multi meltas (all of them)
17*2/3*5/6*1/2 = 4.7
Rapiers (all of them, assuming like 2 hits per rapier since its a small blast)
(24*1/3*1/2+24*1/3*1/6)/2 = 2.7
Marines (all of them, standing still for fury)
(55*3*2/3*1/3*1/6)/2 = 3
Your entire army, given fairly charitable conditions, firing at a single enemy terminator unit kills around 10
Your entire army.
Oh but sure, you do make them take a single panic test at -3 if those rapiers hit. A single one. They still have reasonable odds of passing it and you have no way of doubling up or making sure they fail it. Depending on what legion they are (IW?) they take that test at -0, rather than -3.
>>96133802So far we've discovered that Vigilator (BS7) can take a BS+1 prime advantage and blast with AP2 D3 on 4+ as well.
>>96133802It's always AP 2, Damage 2 when stationary, Damage 3 with a critical hit which would also be a precision hit.
>>96133020>>96133035Ah so glasses from SN is rules lawyering incorrectly again. Thanks
>>96133802if they stand still, i think
>>96133811Cant, interdiction is for tacticals and despoilers only. Which is for the best, it would be beyond busted for anyone else (imagine walking out of your deployment zone and suddenly some power weapon grey slayers or chainglaive terror squads are charging you on YOUR turn 1, thats just game losses for some armies right there). Hell its probably already going to win games some of the time with JUST despoilers.
>>96133816Angels tears and dreadwing interemptors both have phage(t)
>>96133816>phage it's -(X) characteristic for the duration of the battle
>rad grenades, we are throwing them now >>96133402
>>96133840>interemptorsright, they have ap3 rad missiles!
>>96133840Speaking of interdiction, since its tangentially related.
If it becomes available outside of whatever scenario is in the book/is a thing in general play, I can genuinely see it warping the meta and basic play patterns. You move your vulnerable units first, tacticals, tech thralls, lone magi, whatever. Maybe even keep them back in your deployment zone and you keep fast responsive melee units (assault marines, vets, ursarax) around on hand to assist whatever gets ambushed. Under those conditions its not even that good, spend a reaction to feed some despoilers to assault veterans. But any list that isnt prepared for it (or that plays incorrectly around it) is going to have a bad time.
>>96133888I like the idea of jamming 15-20 Despoilers in a ball right in the opponents face. Good cover for pushing everyone else upto where you want them
>>96133906Yea, even if you fail your charge (which most of the time you actually shouldnt, its like a 55% chance to succeed) its still good for pressuring where they move and shit.
Is there any big ass artillery piece for marines?
I have pic related and it's been sitting in a box for ages.
>>96133906Why only 15-20?
Bring Stormwing.
Bring four units of 20.
Welcome to the forest, motherfucker.
>>96133966unfortunately not
>>96133402>Rad grenadesIs there anything stopping you from using more than 1 grenades?
Cuz there's nothing in the profile making it any different from other ranged weapons and Poison 2+ ap3 is a pretty fucking good profile if all destroyers have them
Maybe they'll be just on the Sgt
>>96133966Not really. Used to have legion medusa and basilisks, but we don't know yet if those will be in the new legacies rules.
>>96133914>55%? Disordered don't get set-up move, so you need a 6, eh?
>>96131033I got so much mileage out of that box. Is the aquila backpack bit available anywhere else?
>>961339975", you deploy 5" away from the unit. So you have a 55% chance to succeed the charge if anydice isnt lying to me.
>>96133970Costs a reaction point, but no reason not to do it twice, I guess!
>>96133816WB demon marine have phage S I think
>>96134004"More than 5" No more than 6" gotcha
>>96134004Angron is an elite ambush attacker.
Gives lots of troops prime so they can take the ambush deployment, and gives them fast 2 so they can surprise t1 charge as soon as they move.
Classic Angron.
>>96133237>JournalsSo you remember when we got those random new units for legions through out 2.0? The ones that came FOR FREE, online in posts?
Yeah you get to pay for those now.
>>96134054The brightest RG minds are baffled by the tactical accumen of 4x 20 chainsaw berserkers hiding behind bushes, bins and lampposts
Why did GW stop doing digital distribution of their rulebooks?
>>96134106They get pirated really easily.
>>96133970What the fuck is this art. The more I look the more uncanny it is.
>>96134106Because it was way to convenient for players.
>>96133970Pancake plasmagun?
>>96134110yeah, printed books are much safer for them
I half built a Kratos a while back and did hull mounted Volkite. Now unsure what else to put in it. Will be for Word Bros. Thinking either full choom or choom plus melta cannon
>>96134106They want to funnel you into using their app and steal your data.
>>96133980The legion specific destroyers all have rad grenades which seems pretty insane
>>96134175Las canons seem pretty good now that they are defensive weapons
>>96134106All the ToW books are in digital format. And actually cheaper than the physical ones
Maybe we'll get that with the journals
Now that the dust has settled, which edition of HH is superior?
>>96134054>>96134099Tbf, my (and likely many people's) introduction to the World Eaters was that scene from Ghostmaker where they ambushed the line of Basilisks. The one that BL used as a preview in the back of all their books in days of yore.
Can TSons do anything silly with 20 man bricks of tactical/tactical likes like this surprise assault with World Eaters?
>>96134312>withstand prolonged fire from (presumably) a heavy bolter or autocannon or something ("punishment that would kill a leman russ")>get wiped out by lasgun fireSo this is the power of plot armor!
>>96134275If you are not playing agianst Tsons, knights, or aux, and have people who can self regulate and realize that spamming pie plate AP3 and 2 is fucking retarded?
1.
>>96134324The surprise squad is any legion, it's just a prime advantage. I don't even know if there is a prerequisite. For TS the arcana for recovering status and giving one out is hilarious. Or rending 5+ for duty of the legion. T6 honorary mention.
>>96134287i disagree, you're argument isn't very compelling
>>96134303i agree, that makes logical sense
>>96134324TSons can quite literally do the exact same trick since they have a special aux detachment with a prime advantage on a troops slot, so they donโt even need a primarch. For other troops you decide not to put into silly ambush mode you can give them their own special TSons prime advantage which lets your troops take a willpower check and if they succeed they can no clip through walls if they decide to run
>>96134341>and realize that spamming pie plate AP3 and 2 is fucking retardedYou do realize that for a lot of "people" that's the core appeal of 1.0 right
>>96134345>>96134368Ah okay, I thought this was specific to WE (somehow) with how it was being tossed around
>>96134383WE are just the best at using it since Angron gives fast(2) on top of giving a bunch of prime slots. So you end up with a bunch of despoilers having to make 3" charges (highest of 1 of 2d6) rather than 5" charges. Which does certainly make it much better.
WE also give free chainaxes to their despoilers.
>>96134375When I bring a squadron of siege tanks, I want them to kill something, not just inconvenience them on a 6+.
>>96134312The ambush rules let 20 berserkers just appear 5 inches away.
The image in my head is a squad walking forwards and suddenly they realise its not rubble they're walking on, its a horde of world eaters just lying in wait.
>>96134444>when the render distance is too lowGiving me flashbacks to DAO.
>>96134111The first piece of saved dark angel art on my computer that didn't have an antisemetic rant for the filename.
>>96134117If anyone had one, it'd be the Dark Angels. Plus look at those hands. That's either a woman or a twink. No way it could handle a full-sized space marine gun.
>>96134444Holy shit WE bros, this could actually be even funnier than what I thought.
You can use ambush when a VEHICLE moves, so you could appear around a rhino, completely envelope it, kill it, and instantly destroy the squad inside as they have no where to disembark.
10/10 ambush specialists
>>96134496>as they have no where to disembarkIsn't there a rule to disembark further away with some kind of penalty if you can't do it normally?
>>96134496You probably cant fully envelop. You need to place an original model and for everyone to be within 6" of it. You can however threaten any tanks with power fists or whatever.
>>96134544no, its same as always, if you can't place them without being within 1 inch of an enemy, they are removed from play.
>>961345476 inches of the initial model, plus charge move including angron speed bonus, oh butr yeah no setup move, so maybe not. sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQdDbe3d3f4
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hol up, is this pardo nigga like 4 feet tall?
>>96134345>rending 5+ for duty of the legionNot that you need to choose but what you really want rending 5+ on is stuff like plasma or autocanons. Rending shots count as a 6 to wound so that's straight up 1/3 of your shots being automatic wounds with ap2
>>96134558yes
>>96134560Yup, plasma/atuo Tsons will be busted.
>WSโs can have Breachers that move 9โ every turn
Strong desire to make a mini ZM force of scars now
>>96130151this seems both retarded and not worth a reaction point
>>96131231When the game is balanced on the assumption people will be bringing 2.5-3k armies you can't just drop down to 1k and expect things to function properly - the game gets really swingy. That's why there are like, four different fan "modes" between 1st & 2nd that impose additional limits on lisbuilding and tweak rules to try and allow things to function smoothly at lower point values. You *used* to be able to use ZM, but the version of it GW sharted out in the latter part of 2nd was explicitly designed to push bigger armies and the RP deployment system completely broke the game at sub-1.5K since there was never any reason to bring anything except Pride-RoW because you could abuse the retinue discount and troop-shifting to just shit out a bunch of Terminators(many of them scoring) turn one while your opponent who brought a theme list is putting down *maybe* half their army and some of whatever's left may not see the table at all.
And we won't know if GW are continuing that push to ruin ZM for skirmish heresy until fucking December or whatever it is. Will the RP system still be in? If so did they fix it to remove the perverse incentives? Will it use shitty progressive scoring videogame objectives? Will they tone down or remove their dumb fucking herohammer minigame that would otherwise take up half the playtime? Don't know, and at this point who fucking cares.
>>96134573They also have a couple of really high strength Armourbane psychic weapons as well. So, like a Predator or something getting within 12" of a 20man TSon Tactical with that first discipline is probably not going to enjoy what happens?
>>96134560That can't be fair with 4 plasma shot bikes
>>96134560>>96134573>My love of Corvidae and autocannons has been rewarded
>>96134605If you bring more than like, one unit, you are now a bastard. I dont make the rules. You should not bring four corvidae autocannon units and invalidate an entire admech army in one round of shooting.
>>96134618First TS werr deepstriking-psychic-termimator-bomb bastards
Then they were a joke
Now they're autocannon bastards.
What a resume.
>>96134618I only have a 10 man unit
But did my rotor cannon squad become gross too?
>>96134618What's the rule interaction here?
>>96134629Sorta? They now wound well, but its still just rotor cannons. So "better" but not "broken by the power".
Autocannons are on the other hand 3 shots with exploding 6s to wound at damage 2. You turn them into multi shot lascannons.
>>96133632Back in my day phosphex was AP2. Everything was, really :^)
>>96134637Also autocannons don't have armorbane so you can stunlock vehicles and knights.
>>96134629Nah, rotor cannons are kinda shit. They have to stay still just to get 4 shots at S3. Rending 5+ definitely improves them a lot but it's not particularly amazing imo
Pinning is nice tho
>>96134635Rending (X) means that on an X+ to hit the hit is an automatic wound.
The wound counts as a "6" for any rules (like shred or breaching).
Autocannons are a very good weapon (in terms of shots/damage) balanced around its bad Ap (4) and relying on getting 6s to wound to become Ap2.
The combination of rending and breaching is very strong, it means that if you fire 3 autocannon shots, 1/3 will be automatic D2 wounds. So thats essentially 1 Ap2 2 damage wound per guy. Or 20 damage, enough to wipe out a whole unit of automata or terminators. (and then you have the rest of your shots, so 10 S7 Ap4 wounds that will cause one or two more breaches and a bunch of armor saves for even more damage)
It also makes plasma really good for similar reasons.
Two autocannon teams with the power have a good shot to kill a brass scorpion in like one round of shooting. Theyre good into marines, but theyre REALLY good into dreads and automata.
>>96134662what other fun things can you abuse with corvidae? seekers seem like a good place to start. not sure if plasma has enough shots, seems like you need something with high damage and breaching
>>96134649Remember rend only applies to wounds, it does nothing vs vehicles
>>96134699S7 vs AV13, dude.
>>96134680Plasmaguns have two shots now, breaching 6+
A plasma TSS puts out 20 shots at 24"
As for other things broken by it? Autocannons and plasma are probably the best stuff, but anything with rending. Seekers, Recons, deredeos with plasma, it all benefits. Besides that? Just mass low S firepower (bolters, heavy bolter rapiers, rotor cannons).
Tbh its just generally good a lot of the time, it turns half your hits into extra wounds. So if you would half the time its +33% damage over what you would have had. Autocannons and plasma are just edge cases where its SUPER good.
Zero benefit for templates and blasts though. So dont get any ideas about plasma mortar saturnines.
>>96134711Would pyrae work for saturnine? Make up ever so slightly for their rubbish melee?
>>96134730TS are getting special psychic saturnine squads in an upcoming journal.
>>96134744Oh right.
Pavoni would probably be better anyway.
>>96133730Bro you can't tank shock with tanks either. Ramming no longer causes an ld test to fall back; it's just hits
I'm trying to push out my backlog in order to use stuff for 3.0 (it seems the new edition is drawing in people who actually want to play it instead of just buying beakies for boomer memes). Is it unethical to put AoD 2.0 praetors on 32mm bases?
>>96134810You'd be shot for that.
>>96134810I don't see a problem with it but they might look weird since they are so stupidly big
>>96134662Thank you anon this sounds horrible. I don't think HH3 looks very goo-
> captcha: TOMH2> Tom just play HH2Thank you for your wisdom meme engine
>>96131033That's why he's the GOAT. THE GOAAATTT!
>>96134862It's really disappointing. Even assuming you can get past all the barriers to entry
> Monthly low-quality DLC release structure> Scourging of old models and nothing is certain for future builds (Tartaros lost their fucking Fists)> Rulebook written like a EULAAfter all these fucking hoops you end up with a shit game that doesn't even play well.
>>96134922Its better than 2.0 if you were in the dog house for 1.0 like the TS and SA.
Sure you could play 1.0 but who would you play against?
>>96131033Used his bionic arm and rear torso to build my Praetor. O7 Plastic Captain.
>>96134922stay with 2.0 & use the best/decent rules from 3.0 that what my D&D 3.5 did with 4th&5th editions, there was alittle work to make it happen.
Whats everyone working on? Personally im finally plugging away at some seekers ive meant to make for ages.
The only issue is that theres way too many of the one handed rifles, and I need to find some more right arms to do stuff.
>>96135037Finishing a few extra bodies to round out 2x10 tacticals and 2x10 support squads
>>96135037Hold up a sec, did 3.0 finally solve the mystery of the SoH combi-bolter with two power armoured hands on it?
>>96135037Finishing work on an Exodus kitbash
Someone is trying to start a slow league for 3.0 that will begin at 500 points
Debating how serious I am about a Stormwing army.(and whether I want to go extra meme-y with Interdiction Cadres instead of Master Sgts), whether to make a small AL for that (champion + rhino + 10 tacs + Exodus), or some meme MoD NL list.
>>96135101>Someone is trying to start a slow league for 3.0Bait used to be believable.
>>96135037mustering my 1st Horus Heresy Legion still, it's all going to be MKIII.
How tricky would it be converting MKVI legs to a kneeling position?
>>96135123How was your last game lil buddy? Can you post some models for us?
>>96135136chop leg at joint, carve out the joint part entirely. Pin, fill gap with green stuff.
Its fairly straight forwards
>>96135143take jame's dick outa yo mouth first
>>96135182>dicksucking outta nowhere>types like a niggerConcession accepted
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>>96135037Waiting for my first box of legionaries to arrive.
>>96135307AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>96133365I've never had a big issue with building resin, just sometimes the models can be a bit scuffed with bubbles and slipping, or warping.
Only extra difficulty is super glue can stick to more than just the model.
>>96135037what type of chain is that? I've been trying to find something good for my own mini without getting a template from GSW
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played a couple of 3e mech games vs IF and AL
just some random takeaways:
>thralls are every bit as tough as people thought but as soon as they're in combat, they start to falter
>the gambit that gives you attacks instead of focus bonus is actually good with thralls bc I'm never winning the focus roll off and instead I can just get an extra 5 attacks when the magos is in a challenge
>snipers are actually kind of bad at killing off lacrymaerta magi bc they can just heal themselves back to full every turn if they don't get killed in one volley
>vultarax are quite strong being able to shoot twice with their missile launcher bc of firestorm
>rhinos are insanely broken and it's crazy that they can get a unit into a combat 25" away or just drop a tactical squad onto an objective t1 and cockblock it
>for some odd reason, the loser of the first roll off deploys and go first
How are people getting more than 2 reactions in an average game? Isn't it just 1 to start and then 1 for playing like 1500-3500pts?
>>96135404mech gets to make one of their reactions cost one less every turn and have a power that lets them remove a buff from a unit to give it a free reaction
>>96135404Master of the Legion trait on high command slots grants an extra reaction.
>>96135037Just finished these boys
>>96133035Reading these and the rules for skyfire, it seems to imply that a flyer on one of these assignments that forces snap fire on interceptor also forces snap fire on return fire, but I cant explicitly find the latter written down. Am I just blind or is skyfire too open ended and actually isnt implying anything?
>>96135037Currently working on my fellblade, working on decals at the moment and then gotta weather it.
Pic is WIP.
>>96135037Is that a combi bolter? What unit can take that?
>>96132978You are like a paper bag in the wind, anon
>>96135486NTA but combi bolters are on the combi weapons list, so units that can take those like veteran tacs or seekers
>>96135504I had no idea, kind of neat
>>96135435I can forgive the illegal loadout, but blue volkite? I'm getting me hammer.
I'm almost done with my 2nd vehicle.
>>96129813>incapable of keeping hold of resources for funding their faction and keeping their equipment maintained and working.I understand you a raging hateboner for Nigs but this is a blatant lie. HH1 addressed how the NL stayed equipped.
>>96135647yeah by stealing.
>>96135481Looking good anon
>>96132100>>96132128It would be much more diegetic and also army-agnostic if most of the silhouettes were simply replaced by generic icons.
>>96134931You play with everyone who understands the situation and plays 1.0 as well. Don't tell me the WORLD will play 3.0 and there is only one isolated dude who likes 1.0. People have friends, you know? And no, nobody goes to warhammerworld to play tournaments.
>>96135486Its a banestrike bolter from the SOH upgrade sprue.
Im using it as counts as kraken bolters for seekers (since they look like big chunky super-bolters)
>>96135376Just some regular hobby chain, GSW sells some (as do other places, but I remember buying some from GSW)
https://elementgames.co.uk/paints-hobby-and-scenery-by-manufacturer/green-stuff-world/gsw-scenery/hobby-chain-15-mm
https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/97-hobby-chain
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