Thread 96135630

Play Titanicus edition

Previous Thread: >>96128117

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://files.catbox.moe/98h6h7.pdf
https://litter.catbox.moe/9zh539zknqu9vqso.pdf
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition upon us
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread question:
What legion made out best with the new edition? Not necessarily the most powerful but the most interesting or the most varied.

Horus did nothing wrong.
mangus did nothing wrong.

I don't know what I do wrong but whenever I try to paint plasma weapons, it always looks like shit. Either its too splotchy using contrast / watered down paint or it looks too solid/filled in to be considered a glow. How common is is to just have a a bronze coil for a plasma weapon?

>>96135645
>Horus did nothing wrong
Ironically yes, Primaras literally proves this point
>Magnus did nothing wrong.
No magnus did a lot of things wrong, in fact he did EVERYTHING wrong.

Post models.
Post what you are planning on painting in the near future.
>3rd land raider when iron warrior doors come from ukraine
>30 mk2 guys
>6 saturnine termis
>saturnine dreadnought

>>96135617
My volkite is blue
My plasma is pink
My darkfires are white
My arc weapons don't glow
My grav will be yellow
My rad weapons are orange

I'm operating on levels of tech heresy you could never imagine

Thousand greek sons

Volkite is blue.
Bitch.

I've never understood why volkite calivers were heavy weapons

>>96135709
they've got to weigh at least 10 stone, of course they're heavy

>>96135709
Balance reasons.

I think Pyrae might be a decent choice for TS dreadnoughts. D6 s4 hits isn't much but it might help against mook enemies. Depending on what you're fighting it isn't too crazy to get 2d6 hits and if there's a character involved 3d6 is also plausible. Plus if it's a double gun dreadnought the psychic weapon is actually pretty useful than a couple useless stomps..

I’m not super well versed and not memeing here but it seems that when you look at the facts Magnus actually did nothing wrong and the Space Wolves are literally to retarded and dangerous to let exist.

>>96135651
pretty common, its how all of the older forge world miniatures were painted

>>96135817
People who say shit like Magnus did nothing wrong are so willfullly blind that they should probably just pull one of their eyes out like their hero.

>>96135817
Magnus himself realized he was wrong for busting the webway. To say nothing of his blood sacrifices to Tzeentch.

>>96135817
magnus was a dumbass loser who deserved it.
do it again russ!

>>96135817
Even Magnus doesn't agree with you.

>>96135869
This is funny

>Blocking in the trim on Cataphractii terminators
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>96135831
>>96135849
>>96135856
>>96135869
Ok but we all agree the space wolves are literally dangerous retards and should be put down for everyone’s safety right?

>>96135869
>magnus says he's wrong about everything
>therefore magnus is wrong about that
>therefore magnus did nothing wrong

>>96135885
That goes for a lot of folk.

>>96135884
>didn't start with the trim color
Idiot

I'm not up to date on nuñore, but didn't Magnus want to warn the Emperor of Horus' betrayal, and accidentally busted his secret project which he intentionally kept everyone in the dark about?
>But he was using psyker powers which was forbidden!
But the Emperor himself used psyker powers for everything short of wiping his ass. And the Space Wolves still used Rune priests. And every Primarch was a psyker.

>>96135894
>and accidentally busted his secret project which he intentionally kept everyone in the dark about?
Yeah. And then he didn't tell the Emperor about Horus's betrayal.
This on top of not just sending a fucking signed affidavit on a fast ship or something.

>>96135885
Russ' stupidity is just trusting Horus, and if he needs to be put down for that, then so does the Emperor. Which is a compelling argument too, admittedly.

I am new to HH, but not new to warhammer. How do the heavy weapons squads work in this game? They seem to be 10 man squads - can I just print a bunch of lascannons or whatever and turn one of the squads from saturnine into a heavy weapons squad?

And also is it like old 40k where I'd have one or two special weapons marines in a 10 man squad?

>>96135910
In Russ's defense, he is an idiot.

>>96135910
Didn't he also then write a book about how to fight fellow space marines and gave it to Horus?

>>96135914
Heavy weapon squads all have the same heavy weapon.
Saturnine terminators can get 2 heavy weapons from the kit
Only Tactical Veterans or command squads can mix special weapons with standard weapons
Download the libers in the oh pee

>>96135894
Magnus used forbidden sorcery empower by daemons to break through E's webway. Big E gave him "son I am disappoint" look and Magnus just left without saying anything, allowing a minor daemonic invasion to occur. Then he decided to jut wait in his room for Russ to come arrest him, until the last minute when he decided to fight back.

the emperor is literally the dumbest person in the entire setting

>>96135914
>And also is it like old 40k where I'd have one or two special weapons marines in a 10 man squad?
Bro read a Liber
Short answer is no, Tacs are only bolters except the sarge

>>96135921
Cheers king

>>96135923
>jut wait in his room for Russ to come arrest him
instead of surrendering himself like Russ invited him to do, by the way. Or that he could have done by himself at any time.

>>96135916
You can use the accusation as a defence

>>96135914
>can I just print a bunch of lascannons or whatever and turn one of the squads from saturnine into a heavy weapons squad

that's what your supposed to do, as there is no heavy weapon squad kit. you just add the upgrade parts onto regular tacs (which they do sell of course, but if you can print them its probably cheaper)

>>96135918
This is still just trusting Horus. The book would've been a good idea if he didn't trust Horus.

>>96135948
>there is no heavy weapon squad kit
I mean there is, it just comes with the weapons and arms, not the dudes.

>>96135934
>instead of surrendering himself like Russ invited him to do, by the way
Im pretty sure thats old lore.

To the best of my knowlege the current lore is as follows
>Nikia happened, magic is bad
>Magnus said ok thats gay but ok
>Goes back home
>Finds out Horus is a fucker, and tries to warn dad despite being literally told not to use magic
>Breaks dads toy, and pisses dad off.
>Magnus realized he fucked up
>Big E sends the command to have magnus censured
>Command intercepted on the way to russ
>Changed to "LOL kick the shit outta magnus do what you did to that other legion."
>Russ goes fuck yeah its go time
>Magnus realizes what happend and scatters his fleet, logic being that it would be better if one legion were to suffer and die, vs both legions killing each other off.
>Russ shows up guns a blazing no questions asked drops in and fucks everything up
>Magnus lets it happen, Ahriman leads to defense against magnuses command
>Magnus gets his back broken by russ because he literally walks out and lets it happen.
>He gives in at the last moment and makes a deal with tzeentzch and then poof.

PDF seems to be missing the rules for volkite weapons, does anyone have the list?

>>96135964
Bah bah bah, b--b--b-b book SEVEN, butterscotch.

>>96135964
>Russ shows up guns a blazing no questions asked drops in and fucks everything up
Nope, he spent an hour broadcasting demands from orbit that Magnus and the TS surrender. Magnus even BLOCKED those transmissions via mind magic. It was only after no response that Russ started bombing Prospero, and Tizca being saved by psychic shield confirmed that the TS were in violation of Nikea, the punishment for which was, by The Emperor's own pronouncement, total destruction.

>>96135986
>>96135979
Listen anons, im not telling you which is better whats in the block books or whats in black library.
Though ill let you guess which one i think is the better take.
But from the BL books, Magnus just kinda let it happen, and the NuLore is the OG message was intercepted and chaged to LOL fuck him up.

I dont like it, but thats what the NuLore is, Black books were better.

Holy fuck he's so tiny when he's not controlling the camera angles

these threads have kinda slowed down now huh

>>96135910
I don't think Emps could've picked a worse person to go arrest Magnus, save maybe Angron.
Rogal Dorn seems like such an obvious pick, instead of the frothing at the mouth retard who would've been happy to kill TSons without any excuse.

>>96136014
That's just a forced perspective optical illusion.

>>96136014
he looks like a giant midget towering over ruins haha

>>96136014
can someone link a vid of him being a pissy cunt, i don't want to sit watching his vids.

>>96135979
Thank you Valdor for just standing there watching this train wreck of retards.

>>96136028
Oh yeah?

>>96136014
>"The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm. It's the last thing he'll expect" - Pardo Faggins
>"That doesn't make sense to me. But, then again, you are very small."

>>96135894
It's almost when you completely rewrite something but still try to keep the overall narrative intact, you end up with a mess.

In the IA telling, all that was forbidden was sorcery. By the time Magnus was united with his legion, there was a strong anti-psyker sentiment in the Imperium. Witch hunts were conducted and even the Thousand Sons were being targeted for their psychic abilities. Magnus tried to remedy the situation and study sorcery to control it, but it's said he took some shortcuts along the way. When the council was called, it was a bunch of librarians that offered the solution of forbidding sorcery and creating the training regiment to standardize psykers to keep their powers in check and useful for the Imperium while also protecting the people from unchecked psykers. Magnus didn't like it, but was forced to accept it. When he contacted the Emperor, he used forbidden sorceries to do it.

>>96136014
He’s like a properly scaled titan mini

>>96136020
It's kind of hard to actually talk about the new edition since people just start flinging shit everywhere. I'd post my models but almost every time I have no one really says anything about them so I assume they're of no interest either. No one really talks about their games or actually trying out the new rules bar that one anon from the previous thread. Really all anons want to do is just complain about things or talk about lore (which usually devolves into complaining) which can only be so interesting for so long.

>>96136020
So much new stuff, I think people have retreated to read and do practice games. Or could because it’s almost 1am on ECT. Take your pick.

>>96136069
Post models. I'm not willing to stop complaining, but I'm willing to complain about your models instead of the new edition.

>>96136020
Doomers got buck broken and left

>>96136069
I like your minis, anon

>>96135910
No, Russ stupidity is beyond anything of any of the other primarchs by a very wide margin.
- has traitor warmaster Horus on the ground, doesn't kill him using spear
- goes to lecture Angron, thinks if his men get slaughtered by World Eaters and Angron kicks Russ asshole in easily then Russ makes an empty threat that his men could shoot Angron with their bolters, that Angron will suddenly learn the importance of civilization or some retard idea of Leman Russ. Angron rightfully laughs at Russ gayass face and walks away, leaving a mountain of dead space wolves corpses and literally nothing achieved by Russ
- Russ has already met a chaos daemon Changeling pretending to be a Thousand Sons sorcerer during the council of nikaea to try to stir up in-fighting between Wolves and Thousand Sons. He would already know that trickery and deceptions by chaos were trying to get these two to fight.
- had orders to bring Magnus alive by Emperor himself, later receives conflicting orders Horus wants Magnus dead, could simply lock Magnus, a totally unresisting primarch, inside the space wolves flagship next to 10 psychic null maidens and bring him back to the Emperor to check the conflicting chain of command issue (and Magnus would be helpless against a later execution if he was taken away from Prospero in the center of the Space Wolves fleet, so there's literally zero drawback to this action)
- receives message from Dark Angel warship next to a disabled chaos Warship, presses Reject-Call button, teamkills all the Dark Angels, then doesn't apologize for it, instead spits on Lion and threatens his life (and gets his faggot ass kicked by Lion every time they fight each other)
-Russ/Lion attacking planet when Russ men have a case of the secret homo furry syndrome so Russ need to go take a 30 minute detour from his mission. Lion, as a sane person, doesn't go AFK for 30 minutes he just eliminates the enemy leader. Russ goes into turbofagrage instead of apologizing for his absense.

>>96136020
Yeah looks like we are going back to being the slowest of the main 4 Warhammer gens. I don’t want to sound like a doomer but despite the heavy GW push 3.0 rightfully flopped. It bodes poorly for the future.

>>96136103
>Lion, as a sane person

lol

>>96136069
I’m sorry to hear nobody’s said anything about your models, that’s super discouraging but I’m sure they’re good! Here’s a shot of my Blood Angels counter-counter-charging the Gal Vorbak that counter-charged my command squad. A hideous brawl, but very fun.

>>96136107
The game has literally just come out. Impossible to judge at this point. A muddled start does not mean it’s all doomed. People are less likely to just enmasse sell their armies because no kitbashing reee, etc.

>>96136125
It’s not at all doomed. I’m not saying that. It just doesn’t bode well. We can rest assured as long as Ligma is supported we won’t be canned. Only Imperialis is binned then we can even start theorizing that we are next.

>>96136103
the other primarchs who do stupid things, such as Magnus, are at least somehow forced into them (such as Magnus via tentacle mutations). Russ is special because he makes hundreds of entirely unforced errors and repeatedly falls for every enemy trick ever (for example, Leman Russ fighting the Alpha Legion in space, he allows his flagship to become overextended and lower its shields and take horrific damage, because he hopes he'll outsmart Alpharius into teleporting on and brawling instead of simply repeatedly gunning down Leman Russ tardship from a safe distance. This is the level of plan of a 10 year old playing his first game of chess, not a superhuman primarch.)

If I try to find one intelligent choice or strategy or plan of Leman Russ in the entire 60 novel series, it wouldn't be possible. He doesn't make even one.

>>96136069
Post models stinky

>>96136103
I miss when Russ was the one convincing the Emperor Magnus should die.

>>96136107
it still doesn't officially release until next week, but they burnt a lot of good will and benefit of the doubt with what got leaked and what they have announced.

I don't think it's dead on arrival, but I am worried corporate will see this and assume the wrong thing.

>>96136020
If you're working on a new army, you probably aren't ready to play and discuss the game.
If you had a complete army last edition, even if you wanted to play using the shitty scans, odds are you have to wait for a legacy pdf.
Most the people have gotten their initial reactions to the new rules and minis out of the way.
So now there's just not much to be said.

>>96136028
Pardo Faggins would beg to differ.

>>96136147
Chat is this real?

>>96136131
nta but my model's got no (you)s
>>96135672

>>96136162
>>96135672
Weren't you gonna get a super heavy anon?

>>96136165
Decided to get a land raider and a saturnine dread instead of super heavy. Waiting on iron warriors doors for land raider to come and waiting for release on new box for the dreadnought.

>>96136131
Very nice, love the blue gradient you did on the left side marine with the spear, and the white is so good I’m jealous I’m not even attempting it with my WE/Salamanders and going with Tan and Blue for WE, then Tan and Green for Sallies.

>>96136129
Oh, and Leman Russ is such a weak primarch that his entire primarch spacefleet suffered a defeat at the hands of yet another non-primarch host during the Battle of Vanaheim. An IW warsmith with 5000 iron warriors and some human fodder takes the orbital fortresses over a forgeworld. It took them 10 days to capture all the fortresses and conquer the planet.

A salamanders+ravenguard+whitescars effort to do a guerilla war against the IW failed miserably and was crushed.

Leman Russ entire main fleet with primarch Leman Russ arrives at the system and the minor IW fleet nearby just leaves because they're not retards like Russ and they avoid bad fights. Russ, knowing that he and his men are weak pussies, decides that fighting the tiny IW force would be too costly after the space furries already had their asses kicked at Prospero by TS with their defenses totally down, Alaxxes Nebula where the aforementioned Alpha Legion force buttfucked Leman Russ flagship and outsmarted him, and at Daverant where Night Lords had killed the leader of the 11th wolf company. Russ instead has his fleet nail one hive city from orbit and then Russ tucks his tail between his legs and flees the system rather than fight 5000 iron warriors troopers with no primarch and no air support and no space support. Iron Warriors retain their conquering of the forgeworld.

The more you read about Leman Russ, the larger of a disappointment he becomes.

>>96136148
@Gork, is this true??

>>96136174
Thanks anon, blue is with the airbrush, I'm pretty happy with the latest batch.

The white is the same, but the oil wash is what brings it to life.

>>96136189
hate to be the one to tell you this kid but that sabre's blade is facing the wrong way. learn to model, bucko.

>>96136131
sarge in the back is very sexy

>>96136201
Ok anon, don't forget to take your pills.

>>96136208
The sarge, or the centurion?
This is the sarge, blue wasn't as good in the first batch, but still nice overall.

>>96136209
>>96136209
On this note - :^) anon

don’t forget to stretch and take your BP meds. We have too keep up with these fetuses.

>>96135988
>>96135988
>NuLore
You keep spamming this buzzword and it just makes you look like a retard. BL disagrees with you, FW (which did their book 7 years AFTER A Thousand Sons and 6 years AFTER Prospero Burns) disagrees with you, and you can't provide any proof.
>inb4 40k
Unreliable narrators, don't care.

>>96136223
And Mr captain dude

>>96136223
Blue looks good and meant the guy doing the bodybuilder pose

>>96136234
Gains

>>96136137
it's definitely dead on arrival. In the first 1 day a few boxes barely moved in a small trickle, then in the last 9 days I've seen a dozen webstores not moving 1 single copy of a box.

GW had more success with the space wolves box or killteam nids box in 30 seconds than this entire launch in 900,000+ seconds. And this is WITH intense shilling by GW with 55+ separate articles published on WarCom trying to make HH3 viral (they failed immensely) and them having to give hundreds of boxes to youtuber shills ahead of time.

GW could make a little small profit off HH3's launch, but they can make so much more off instead releasing 40k boxes and AOS stuff. Something like that killteam tyranids box has easily made GW as much profit as saturnine's launch without the bad press and reputation damage and damage to FLGS who will be stuck with dozens of worthless saturnine boxes for months if they don't ditch them without a profit.

Right this second GW execs will be looking at spreadsheet presentations about how heresy 3 is a failed experiment and to be put on the minimal-lifesupport pathway - with a trickle of $25 DLC books with 3 units in them, because those cost nothing to make, but only a tiny pattering of new plastic releases (as those can't just be printed in china like books can)

>>96136240
He's just happy to be out with the boys, living life to the fullest.

>>96135916
he's a dumb, dumb dog boy even then he's a good boy.

>>96136131
Still working on him but I got till next Sunday

How should one kit out a melee retinue? All thunderhammers? Mauls?

Someone can help me with a picture that have all of the imperial knights variants, its one that have all of the weapos loadouts photoshopped to be more specific

>>96136265
>"good boy"
He had Horus on the ground and one swing of the spear and Horus would be dead and the Emperor wouldn't have been a corpse on a toilet for 10k years
Russ is literally the worst thing to ever happen to the Imperium.

>>96136277
Be brave mix and match.

>>96136277
Whatever looks cool.
Bonus points if it's rules legal but not mandatory.

>>96136272
Looking good anon. Only feedback I'd have is the purple fleshiness is quite xeno/genestealer vibe

>>96136347
Yeah I saw some purple demons and thought it looked cool. Might punch up the skin tones.

Wanted to make more progress but have to do stuff, so have WIP fella. Edge highlighting sucks ass and I wouldn't wish it even upon loyalists

>>96136404
That's robot Amongus you SUSSY BAKA

>>96135975
>volkite weapons,
>>96133402

>>96135630 (OP)
Titans built, now I just gotta figure out how exactly I doing my paint scheme. I know what it's going to be but I'm just working the fine details like whether to do glow effects on the void shields or not

>>96135672
>>96136528
Whoops wrong (you)

>>96136455
made me lol

>>96136245

But if HH never gets further support we are stuck with this train wreck foundation. I don't think HH3.O is a good basis for game overhauls, they'd have ro rewrite the entire game.

>>96136245
They printed like 15 of the kill team Typhon box, using that one as an example shows how deep your cope is

Are there any notable kits for what extra bits and weapons they give you? Opened up the mk3 command squad today, and was very disappointed.

>>96136593
the only cope I hear is you trying to pretend a game that can sell no copies isn't a failure, you pathetic little fagboy

>>96136635
Please use chatGPT to help you write posts in the future

>>96136240
Obligatory

So we all know bayonets are shit in 3.0, but how about chain bayonets?

Anyway I can play daemon brutes with my Esoterist in a 3.0 event in August? Or tough tiddies, wait till September?

Phoenix terminators are only 2 attacks
Are you fucking kidding me

And the spears are only useful on the charge, damn man

>>96136234
The angling on that left arm hurts me. The shoulder is pointing down and the elbow forward.

>>96136732
I don't know any other legion special terminator that's inherently weaker than the basic generic terminator other than Phoenix Terms.

If you use defense mode, you're WS5 2 attacks on offense, literally incapable of achieving a single thing attacking as you'd need 4+ to hit all the superior legions.
And offense mode is a joke, 2 attacks hitting on 3+ is less than 3 attacks hitting on 4+ (1.333 vs 1.500 hits) while the guys with 3 attacks has higher potential to spike with good luck.
The worst part is WS7 fighters like Kharn, Sigis, Primarchs all ignore your weaponskill ability entirely (they hit on 3+ and you hit on 5+ whatever choice you make) just phoenix terminators are a fucking joke with 2 attacks.

EC players should probably proxy all phoenixes as the Tartaros/Cataphractii command squads for the next 3 years. WS5 and 3 attacks. Just call the halberds Power Axes (you could chop with them) or counts-as Thunderhammers. The +1 initiative for charging EC is good for either weapon.

>>96136767
and against WS4 foes, phoenixes lose their special ability entirely but dont get their 3rd attack back.

>>96136020
I'm in a weird limbo until the legacies pdf releases. I can't decide which units to lean into if I don't have all the information re. destroyers or wargear options for instance. Kinda hoping for more vanguard units but aren't we all.

Pic related. Legion superheavy currently in limbo between Falchion and Shadowsword, pending clarity from the pdf

True Believers or Sagyar Mayan for traitor WS despoiler blob?

What do searchlights do in 3.0?

>>96136796
in the lore, Sagyar Mayan were the WS doing penance for second guessing the Khan and siding with Horus at the start of the war.
The non-repentant traitors just ran away

I have finished my Rapier Graviton battery.

Extremely fun kit.

>>96136804
Worsens shrouded value of a unit targeted by a shooting attack from a model with searchlights, but models with searchlights cannot make shroud rolls.

>>96136830
leave it to the british to know so little about weapons they think a flashlight does something to tank's smokescreen. If light didn't scatter off it, people would just see through the smokescreen in the first place.

>>96136792
Been meaning to get that engine and fuel tank set at some point for my Shadowsword.

>>96136732
we discussed it that here >>96132310

>>96135687
>Thousand Greek Sons

Pythagorean Math Cult -inspired Sons! Numerology n shit.

Daammmnnn, now I gotta do this. Thanks for the idea!

>>96135630 (OP)
Alright help me anons, is now a good time to start heresy? I’m tired of millions of updates to 40K and want a more slow paced game I can slowly build up and practise some new painting techniques with scale model type stuff.

I’m torn between Imp fists or iron warriors, possibly even loyalist death guard is that a thing? I also liked the excerpt from Angron’s novel where the World Eaters landed their heavy support tanks it was fucking rad, can I run those in-game? I feel like I might need to shift my mindset I’ve been constrained by 40K for too long.

Imperial fists
Iron warriors
Loyal death guard
Loyal World Eater tank detachment

What do you think anons?

>>96136879
Numerology used to be called Arithmancy, it was only called Numerology in like the last hundred years or so. Pythagorean Arithmancy sounds more mystic, because of the -mancy suffix. You could also have Onomancy as the skill on an Esoterist, since knowing a daemon's name gives you power over them plus Onomancy originated as a belief of Pythagoreanism.

>>96136856
Can't recommend them enough mate. I had an idea in my head of what it would look like but seeing it in person is way more satisfying. Just feels so Astartesian. I've got their (Blood and Skulls Industries) tracks to put on too. Nothing better than pimping the hell out of an Ebay rescue

>>96136917
Any loyal legion can be played as traitors, and any traitor legion can be played as loyalists. In addition, every legion is explicitly stated to have used every piece of equipment and every armour mark to at least a certain degree. Basically you just get to make Your Guys and there are no restrictions.

>>96136928
>Astartesian
blessed

>>96136928
>Shadowsword
I'm afraid GW has removed all the Legion versions of SA/IG vehicles in HH3:
> https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/p0y6yx4s/legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness-what-you-need-to-know/
I wanted to do a Legion Malcador and this sucks :-(

>>96136404
The Excertus Imperialis can eat my ass if they expect me to paint my vehicles grey. MY HERALDRY WILL NOT BE TAKEN FROM ME.

>>96136935
this talentless thesaurus-fellating bald cocksucker

>iron hands saturnine terminators
>T6, -2S to incoming las/plas/melta/flame and -1S to everything else
>6 plasma bombard shots that functionally won’t hurt on overloads, but can eviscerate 1W infantry and light/medium tanks
Sitting well screened behind a front line they seem like an interesting and pretty durable option for only 200 points

>>96136921

Based arcana, will be applied appropriately, thx.

>>96136997
no, they look pretty much useless

>cyclonic melta lance
>range 12
gw is joking, right?

>>96137008
and it has to get within 8" to actually do more than tickle a tank. And doesn't deal double damage on anything other than vehicles. Dreadnoughts? Nah, shrug it off with 3 dmg. Primarchs? If it hits and they fail 4++ they'd still only take 1 wound from a cyclonic melta lance to the nuts at 1" if their bodyguard is gone for some reason.

>>96136069
Pretty much yeah. /tg/ is unbelievably toxic, reddit is unironically a better place. I just come here because I might get some discussion I don't get elsewhere

TQ: Who cares which legion came out best. I don't wanna talk about 3.0 anymore.

>>96136946
There's literally 1000's of cohorts. Expecting all of them to comply to the standard excertus grey is folly and unrealistic. I'm just doing it because that's the way the Torquatii seem to do it. Mine looks way brighter on camera for some reason, fucking hate taking photos of my models at this point

>>96136069
Yeah, rhis sucks. So here is my latest addition, a Rhino for my Terror squad. Next in the line is an apothecary for them since tehy are squishy and expensive and they die really fast.

My group will stick with 2.0, but will port some of the rules from 3.0, like the vehicles stuff

>>96136726
>chain bayonets?
Paying 20/40 points for chain bayonets on 10/20 tacticals (with only 1A) has to have a reason. Where can that rare D2 attack possibly be useful and not go to waste? Who's going to come after tacticals? (Vanguard units) And which one of these units can actually be hit and wounded and fail their armor save for at least one model to die? So far, out of 20 attacks from chain bayonets, 2.2 will actually go through WS5 3+ armor of assault veterans, with 0.7 being 2D wounds. Not sure if that's worth 40 points, but hey, if you roll fives and sixes all the time, then it might be ok.

>>96136726
completely useless. Shred was rerolls before (basically a free 2nd hit when your first failed), now shred is just dmg2 on 6+ for those.
So entirely irrelevant against 1wound targets, and any target with 2+ wounds will have a 2+ armor save that laughs at bayonet units that need 5+ to hit, 4/5/6+ to wound, and then bump into 2+ armor. And with no initiative bonus either.

They make tacticals cost +40 points per 20 to be exactly as useless in melee. Better to take 3 tactical squads + 1 actual melee squad with the points saved than 3 bayonet tactical squads.

>>96137060
So chainswords are also useless? they have the same stats IIRC

>>96137060
oh, and a good number of the 2W elites you wasted all your points on chain bayonets for could be things like Red Butcher terminators with Eternal Warrior (making chain bayonet do exactly the same damage as no melee weapon at all)
Yeah, easy skip.

>>96137066
yeah chainswords suck now

>>96137066
chainswords in themselves are pretty useless, but chainsword models like despoiler have +1 attack baked into their profile. You don't pay extra points to add chainswords to them. Whereas tactical marines have 1 attack even if you make the stupid choice to buy a bayonet.

>>96135709
Because 3 S5 shots with deflagrate is basically a didegrade to a heavy bolter

>>96137066
You don't have to pay for chaiswords, and despoilers have two attacks, but yeah, they are worse now.

>>96136928
Yeah, B&S has some cool stuff. Shame they don't have the old not-volcano cannon (somewhat like pic). Would've used it to make an Epic style Stormblade.
>>96136945
>I'm afraid GW has removed all the Legion versions of SA/IG vehicles in HH3:
So use the SA version. Lord of War can be from any Faction.

>>96135651
Yeah, plasma always looks like shit. It doesn't matter if it is painted, airbrushed or both, glazed, drybrushed, made with high intensity paints, fluorescent paints (blue is shit btw), inks, white on color, color on white.

Attached my first approach with single color paint job, then the next try with an airbrush years ago, then the current approach with white base coat and blue on top.

Here is a pro doing it and the result isn't really what I expect, it's just white with blue, no glow, no nothing. His technique is much finer than mine and he puts more effort into it... but it's just how it looks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKlzd2LQazw

Next I try white base coat and blue mixed with contrast medium. If that aint going to do it, I'll kill myself with a hammer.

>>96136792
Pretty sure they already confirmed marines aren't getting the baneblade variants

>>96137049
look very cool anon, well done

>>96136014
>>96136147
yo, guys - his size doesn't matter for what kind of an ass he is. Don't get down on his level by discussing looks.

>>96137060
>>96137066
legion terminators are still WS4, dreads are now WS4

1/12 vs MEQ, 1/36 vs TEQ (with half of those at D2), 1/72 vs applicable DEQ (Contemptors, Deredeos and presumably Castra Ferrum) always at D2

there are use cases where 20 or 40 points is worthwhile, particularly for WE who can charge off an objective to defend it; for them it might be worth not capping for points if they can get 3A each and slice up some bitches, or for IF who gain their racial bonus only if there are lots of Bolt or Auto weapons in the unit

>>96137055
>2.2

stop that, you're an adult

>>96137102
just paint the coils copper and be done with it

>>96137102
Blue plasma or other light effects/OSL always suck because in reality they get shadows that spoil the effect.
Models look better without them

>>96137131
>stop that
?

>>96137103
>>96137096
>>96136945
I'll check out the SA one when it drops, can't imagine anyone having an issue with me using it in legion colours. If it's hot pdf garbage then I'll stick a pair of rapier laser destroyer batteries in the sponsons and run it as a Falchion

Would the Space Wolves be analogous to Delta Force? Because reading through books about Space Wolves, there's no mention of their chosen tactics or how they work operationally aside from "acting like wolves" and stalking when closing in.

>>96137156
The characterisation of the Space Wolves in the novels is pretty dumb because they fall in to the "move forward and charge" trope in all their main battles.

The lore suggests they were cunning and used feints and were more like Jurassic Park velociraptor style where all their actions synched up for the main strike.

So lore based SW would fit that style

>>96137039
Its a real nice grey you did anon NGL. Photos always fuck up a model don't worry about that.

>>96137144
Would imagine they're in the SA Liber since they've already shown the models ages ago.

watching a 3rd ed game rn

smurfs took first turn

Can't believe there are still no SA rule leaks beyond the articles. Have I missed them or are they looking that unpopular?

I want to see if an allied force is going to be fun or not.

>>96137156
yeah basically. they focus on fast moving and adaptable tactics that are built around the squad level with a lot of room for sergeants/squads to improvise and have a lot of autonomy which is unlike most legions and is most similar to modern special forces

>>96136933
So if I wanted traitor fists I would use liber astartes fists rules? And for world eater loyalists, liber heretica?

>>96136997
>obliterate light / medium tanks
>6 s7 1 damage shots
They are decently tanky for the points but they don't score and aren't really that killy. Also, in general it seems like you'll really want to focus on options with vanguard / line this edition.

>>96137176
They're listed in the legacies pdf, so they'll probably be future DLC

>>96137178
>UM vs TS
this reminds me of that bit in the Black Books about an UM force killing their allied 2000 TS in cold blood when they got news from Prospero.
it didn't sit well to me. That's something a IF would do out of autism, but 30k UM should second guess it like they do with everything.
So it sounds to me like a good starting point for a Traitor UM force.

>>96136819
They're good, right?

>>96137297
do they come with the base for the rapier?

>>96137304
Mine did

>>96137317
thats good. they look way better with bases

Imperial fist or SoH?

>>96137334
Iron Warriors.

>>96135630 (OP)
Definetly Tsons, their new rules are super fun.

But in terms of benefiting from the new edition? I think NL. Sure they lost night fighting, but everything around their playstyle is now designed to mesh really closely with the new mechanics and the way the missions now work (statuses, fear, objective denial and combat around objectives) and they (numerically) GAINED rather than lost options. Contekar are a "shooty" terminator so they still benefit from deepstrike (and volley fire), raptors are now a real menace and terror squads benefit from the rhino rush. In terms of taking advantage of new opportunities they really did make out like bandits.

>>96137343
>imperial fist crusader heraldry on an iron warrior

>>96137055
>>96137060
Bugger - have a friendly 1250pt tournament in August to test 3.0 and have tacticals armed w/ chain bayonets from 2.0. I don't care about losing but just don't wanna get stomped. This list okay?

>>96137304
Yeah the new kit comes with the bases.

>>96137297
Yours are skitz. It's such a great kit.

got these guys painted up tonight while binging ritalin and energy drinks instead of applying for jobs. did a more simple paint job than i usually do because i'm going for big squads. think they look alright in a group but they're a bit shit individually but hey ho what do we thinks fatties

>>96137304
yeah, that is new, afaik it's a 40mm base now and instead of the joystick dude it's Wi-Fi now too.

>>96137391
This is not 40k, anon

>>96137436
close up individual fella

>>96137442
Then why is there chaos trim on people? Why are the auxilia covered in the flared spikes of chaos (the ones designed to evoke the chaos star)? Why is the chaos lord in front wearing the havoc armor and wearing the power fist from the new chaos lord kit?

>>96137434
That's clearly a Templar cross holding up his cape.

>>96137450
It's fanart with mistakes, but the crusader vet cross is not one of them.
IW did become more edgy and spiky as the war advanced, though. After all, they always loved their angry metal skull masks

>>96135651
The thing you have to grasp about plasmaglow is what it's referencing - Cherenkov radiation - and how plasma weapons work. The glow only happens during the charging/firing process because that's when the coils are energised. So yeah, you can absolutely have bare metal coils especially if you've not used an IMMA FIRIN MA LAZOR action pose, and if you do decide to try glow again check the wiki for visual reference.

>>96137450
>>96137467
they're also using the pre-heresy iconograpghy on the pauldrons. Even the SoH has spikey bits.

>>96137462
Don't cope this hard. It's a miserable look.

What's a cheap source for bolter bayonets aside from printing them? I love how tacticals look with bayonets but they don't come with mkIVs in the box.

>>96137413
Yeah you’re fucked. Very 2.0 options

>>96137486
Do you think it isn't a Templar cross?

>>96137413
I dont think the 20pts from chain bayonets will change the outcome much.

>>96137500
Most of that stuff is just evergreen fine, or at least "more or less the same as in 2.0"
Volkite calivers and multi meltas are worse but they still do their job.

>>96137512
I thought melta weapons were the new hot thing???

>>96136175
>fucksake Ourguy is a total fucking idiot, right?
is literally the whole justification for my planned traitorwolf blackshields. There isn't even any Chaos fuckery involved, they just defect from the Imperium because they can't stomach being associated with someone as retarded as Russ or fighting in the name of an organisation that would give such a mong power.

>>96137499
Dont they come with bayonets/combat knives you can use or convert on?

>>96137514
That was a potential outcome/something people considered when the basic meltagun stats leaked, but in the end they turned out to be fairly balanced.
Melta has very high power for killing vehicles under the right circumstances, but between a loss in accuracy (many melta weapons were twin linked and lost that) and a reduction in shots (see predator melta cannons, that went from 3 shots to 1) melta is now a much more specialized tool that isnt as good for just "general firepower".
Meltaguns specifically might be the best all rounder melta because theyre spammable enough to be useful against heavy infantry and the like.

Also, while melta does destroy tanks if it pens, it will struggle to penetrate Av14 with the exception of the really big stuff like the kratos' melta blast cannon.
Multi meltas specifically arent very good (imo) because of their lower melta range (its only 8", vs the meltaguns 6") Maybe on jetbikes that can reliably close the distance.

recommendation for Spartan pintle weapon?

>>96136125
I dunno like, we've yet to see the fabled PDF, I doubt it'll be as comprehensive as the shills insist/some hope. And even then, the whole four turn/progressive scoring thing is going to be a millstone around the edition's neck IMO, on top of killing deepstrike armies, the complication of the assault phase with a second mini shooting phase, the evidently pretty Marmite new challenge minigame, and all the other points of contention. There's going to be a lot of people in wait-and-see mode for 3.0 and I think it'll be a problem longer term because in a lot of areas there isn't going to be the critical mass of people required to force compliance with the new edition, and I doubt the upsides of the new approach will be enough to sway most of the doubters.

>>96137499
best bet would be grabbing two of the accessory sprues on ebay, 10 per frame

>>96136175
At least hes good in 1v1s right?

>>96137534
>the whole four turn/progressive scoring thing is going to be a millstone around the edition's neck IMO
You mean the same thing 2.0 had?

>>96137530
what about inferno pistols? BA lost their melta moritats, but they still can spam them in vet squads IIRC

>>96137549
Damage 1 (2 in melta range)
Theyre good for plinking wounds off marines and stuff, but you need LOTS of them to kill vehicles.

>>96137548
2.0 was dogshit so whats your point?

>>96136575
Why though? 6th WHFB is the most popular old edition of fantasy rank & flank and GW published two full editions and the ET campaign after it. Until Nucromunda came along and swamped the community with noobsoomers almost everyone used the NCE. All that's necessary for the community to work things out on their own is for GW's abandonment to be official so the Must Play Supporteeeeed zombie programming is broken.

>>96137556
>6th WHFB is the most popular old edition of fantasy rank & flank
8th is actually.

>>96137554
man, somebody at GW was really butthurt about BA/IW moritats

>>96136851
Nerds don't make games anymore.

>>96137548
In a couple of missions in a secondary book, faggot. No matter how hard you lie you're never going to persuade people that black is white, up is down, or that 3.0's basically modern 40gay missions aren't orders of magnitude worse than anything 2.0 had to offer.

Fellas, I have the pdf for the ordered and formatted rulebook, does anyone have the same for the libers?

>>96137562
Nah mate. 8th has its fans but it stopped being the most popular overall pretty quickly once the game died because WAP and that faggy tournamentslop rework I forget the name off both drew players off mostly from 8th, while 6th actually *gained* players who were liberated from having to play Latest Edition due to friends/local communities who were Muh Official types, and it already had a decent following.

>>96137413
It seems like with 4 turns the name of the game will be
1. Get Line(2) units (Tacticals) on as many objectives as possible as soon as possible.
2. Protect them from statues (so they can score).
3. Protect them from AP3 vanguard units that are going after them (assault veterans, terminators, LA special squads). Reaction should be saved for that imo (it might not help, but it might help if you are lucky, and that is +3 VP).
4. Dedicate units that should constantly try to apply statuses (with stun and suppressive—you only need to hit with those two) on enemy tacticals on objectives that you can't reach from afar. Enemy apothecary might be a big obstacle to that.

True believers give malefic, and only malefic commanders can join them. You may also have a hard time fighting terminators, in my opinion.

>>96137602
>In a couple of missions in a secondary book
In the missions the game was played with since the first expansion book came out.

>>96137612
gofile in op (almost complete, here volkite page)

>>96137624
This is awesome thanks anon

bros, how do i overcome my one weakness?

>"Praetorian jump pack command squad can exchange their bolters for disintegrators"
Oh hey that seems like it'd be a cool unit to kitbash u-
>Gives up the ability to take a melee weapon
Literally why

>>96137624
Its 1250pts, how many terminators can you realistically face? Especially since they NEED a transport of some sort, since theyre too slow to slog it up and with DS the smaller battle sizes will still leave them very kitable.

>>96137413
Seems fairly balanced to me without being OP

Should I add a 2nd skull here? I could also maybe add a little flag or something instead. If not ill probably remove the top of the pole and finish it with a spike.

>>96137691
I feel like Vanguard Terminators from Storm Eagle won't be something outlandish, taking into account how flyers now work.

>>96137798
That would be 1/3 or even 1/2 of your army wouldnt it? 200+ for terminators, 200~ for the eagle.
Its possible, but its a very high commitment imo.

>>96137810
Seems the case with every other big melee unit. I was looking at SoH Reavers and they become stupidly expensive once you add bodies and gear

>>96137810
Maybe you are right, anon, but denying a large amount of VP to your opponent and getting 3 VP for yourself might be worth it.

>>96137825
I wouldnt expect a big kitted out reaver squad at 1.2k either desu.

>>96137832
Maybe, it can certainly do well. Its just also liable to get countered by one bad matchup imo. Very high risk, but then again I guess every high commitment strategy is.

>>96136131

It was probably a mistake to do an entire army of Nightlords when I'm this bad at lightning effects. I still can't believe I've got about 2k (in 2.0) actually fully painted.
It's fucking perverse. They're like my least used model army. Even my Blood Angels got some use in Kill Team, I used my Hoth themed Rebels for Legion at least three times, but no, it's the Night Lords, two thousand points, two Dreadnaughts, tons of conversion jobs, loads of mismatched armour to trigger autists because that's a thing NL would deliberately do, some 3d printed Saturnines that can only ever now be "counts as Cataphracts" because they actually have sensible loadouts and don't look like a fucking JoyToy model that a 12 year old is using as a proxy.

Why?

It wasn't even my Covid Project! That was my Chaos Titan Legio for Titanicus!

>>96137440
60mm base acktually

>>96137072
>>96137076
what about chainaxes? Are they useful in the uniit than can use them like ass marines or Reavers?

I'm stuck between veteran assault squad and cataphractii for my vanguard units. One feels too fragile and one feels too slow

>>96137436
>>96137443
Looking kino

>>96137768

Depends, what Legion?

If Night Lords: YES. Always more skulls. Cartoonish supervillainy is the order of the day.

>>96137911
>what Legion?
Ultramarines.

Im not worried about "its too evil" as much as "it looks visually unbalanced"

>>96137919

It'd probably look better if you added another spike to each side of it. No need for extra skulls though if you go down that route.

I like the NL scheme but I don't like painting flayed skin.

>>96136131
Obligatory 2x tactical squads and their rides. Waiting to see if Deathwing Companions get their jump packs or if I have to buy another land raider

>>96136034
Never happened, at least on video he's always been nice with guests and such. Leaker anon is pissed about some personal stuff but we're never going to know exactly what happened

>>96137946
Thats a good idea. Id need to fill in the hole in the center where the spike currently is, but that could probably be managed.

>>96137956
>love imperial fists
>thought of straining my eyes at various yellows for hours is filtering me from even beginning an army

>>96136201
> doesn’t know that weapon is not inspired by sabres but falcatas
Uncultured swine

>>96138044
the new IF contrast paint over a pink or brown base makes painting yellow very easy. Averlnt sunset over chaos black is no longer a thing people do unless they're ignorant

>>96137900
>ass marines or Reavers
Their usefulness is now kinda determined by Vanguard Rule, which means they should be kitted out to kill 1w 3+ marines. How good are chain axes for that? Not that good. What are good weapons to kill 1w marines? AP3 power weapons.

In 2.0, Reavers were one of the few squads that could survive S8 strikes from terminators thanks to SoH LA and kill them back with power fists. (if you spend money on them), or they used to hunt normal 3+ marines charging from DS. Now they are going to hunt marines again, on objectives.

Assault squads shields are 5++ now, which (potentially) can greatly improve their survivability against AP3 weapons.

>>96138044
Start with Pale Sand, add any Yellow you like

>>96138044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZieB-ZO6MA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J29Z_sjzs4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGidaioV5Y8

>>96136034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d65LWJDXnx8
skim through any parts of this and you'll find some combination of him being a whiny faggot and unearned smugness for being 'right'. especially when it comes to Mechanid rightfully calling him out
>>96136034
Hey Pardo. Next time you go on Tabletop Tactics ask for a booster seat or step stool.

>>96138081
>>96138140
>>96138155
ngl senpai, I think it's a retarded mental block that I have. It's not necessarily not having skill to paint them. Also, there's something weird about consciously choosing to rep the color yellow that feels weird. It's never been an appealing color to me in the first place.

>>96138193
use gold instead =)

>>96138189
fuck Pardo

>>96138193
Did you like construction machines as a kid?

>>96138207
Was it Alpharius that basically called Dorn and the Fists gaudy pretenders?

>>96138241
No. As a child, I had other tendencies that pointed me towards the Imperial Fists

for LIGMA, it sounds like the Liber Strategia is basically the only book you're going to need to play the game from now on, right?

>>96138265
for what?

>>96137634
Oh wow everyones been using the glaives weapon on the Kratos, no wonder theyre glazing it as AP3. Theyve been using the wrong weapon lmao.

>>96138284
Legions Imperialis, LIgma.

nothing says that tanks cannot take corrupted legions prime advantage and gain the malefic subtype
and how malefic is worded, they never suffer the downside of it because it deals wounds at AP2, not hullpoints

this is clearly not intended at all

>>96138322
Thats because theres no prime tank slot. You couldn't have a master sarge predator either.

>>96138345
Yes there are, theyre locked to legion detachments but there are some.

>>96138322
>and how malefic is worded, they never suffer the downside of it because it deals wounds at AP2, not hullpoints
Those are the same thing.

I wish we had Horus Heresy skirmish rules based on Necromunda tbqhwyf

>>96138345
anything that has recon slots as a prome slot can buff saber tanks, land raider explorators and tarantula sentry guns

>>96138189
Is he jewish?

>>96138438
Hes a spaniard, theyre all like this.

>>96138440
Being grifting beggars?

>>96136014
Pardo Faggins.

>>96137499
Historical kits

>>96137521
They come with full on swords that are longer than the bolter.

>>96138440
No, we aren't. There's no such thing as a common phenotype in Spain. That arab like dude doesn't represent even most southern spaniards.

>>96138438
>>96138440
And you guys wonder why the thread’s empty. No clue what the beef is with this short dude.

>>96137499
Some recasters should have the FW chain bayonets available, you can get those.

>>96138351
>>96138371
Sure, and which ones dont require a non vehicle to be in it? Eg RGs need recon marines.

everyone shut up

nu-mk4, had to check the older books to see if the design is different (it is)

>>96138584
Welcome back internet explorer anon

>>96138584
MkIV - the most homosexual of Mks

>>96138584
Wonder how they're gonna fuck up the actual models. The new Mk VI looks pretty good in the artwork too, but the actual models are atrocious.

>>96138517
Macca infected the threads. He finally won...SN bros, we lost

>>96138564
Ironfire cohort.

>>96138616
Delusional.

>>96138584
We found out about that months ago anon.

>>96138584
well that'll be cool in three years time.

>>96138639
Macca was "in contact" with the leakers according even to himself and was the main guy to criticise 3.0 and SN even before the fuck pardo stuff. I was obviously just memeing, but his point of view has become the dominant one here.

>>96137343
>woman auxilia sarge
Iron warriors are so fucking gay lmao

>>96138690
It isn't "his" point of view. Everybody here dislikes 3.0 all on their own accord, and hates that macca enough to play 3.0 purely to spite the cunt.

Saturnine Dreadnought is designed with magnetising in mind but what about Saturnine Termies? Are they any easy to magnetise? It seems that you only replace their forearms so only elbows require magnets to be placed there.

>>96138584
A usual there's a lot of change for the sake of change

>>96138584
There's a few more nuMk4 images in the new rulebook

>>96138737
That's old Mk IV though.

>>96138668
Just in time for 4.0!

>>96138763
I wonder if NL will become a shooting army again.

>>96138746
Look at the helmet. Just because they are drawn over older art doesn't mean those aren't new illustrations of future minis

>>96138781
Open your fucking eyes for once. Those are nowhere near the same you fucking retard. The NL is old Mk IV artwork.

>>96138584
>>96138737
>No snoot
awful

>>96138821
The NL artwork was made for 2.0, it's not "old". It seems like it was the start of the redesign and now it's been more defined. Pic related is 1.0 mk IV

>>96138821
Logically,I know there are plenty of differences between these, and I thank you for putting them together so I can compare them directly

Practically,this looks like the scribblings of a schizophrenic and means either numk4 will look practically identical to old mk4, or that neither of these are numk4 and just artistic license differences on old mk4

Would it be weird to have a seeker firing a bolt pistol while having his bolter slung underarm?

>>96138957
Why would that be weird? They have the bolt pistol as a sidearm for a reason.

>>96136131
Trying 3e today against DG

>>96136131
Still haven't decided on which project to focus now that these are done.

>>96138737
>>96138821
Will be interesting to see how they rape and violate this design.
Maybe that one designer arbitrarily decides the helmet looks stupid and completely redesigns it, or maybe he just doesn't like the shoulder pads and removes them.

What do we think of the legion terminators?
Just off first impression I’m thinking something like

>S tier:
Justaerin, Knights cenobium, Contekar
>A tier:
Lernaen terminators, Firedrakes, Tyrant siege terminators(?), Crimson paladins
>B tier:
Wolf guard, Gorgon terminators, Red butchers, Sekhmet
>C tier:
Ebon Keshig, Deathshroud, Grave wardens
>Useless tier:
Phoenix terminators

Are Volkite Calivers still shite?

>>96139034
Now do a full army of loyalist Alpha Legion

>>96139035
We already know a few things for sure
>Same five poses as all nu-infantry
>Flaring greaves
>Flexing and inconsistent armour plates
>Minuscule heads

>>96139043
Down to 2 shots again, but can freely move and shoot now on top of being a lot cheaper. Definitely look worth trying.

>>96138821
>The NL is old Mk IV artwork.
It's not, you moron, all these illustrations are made for HH3.
Time will tell how the final models look, but that AL mk4 is the the exception, not the rule

>96138821
>96139064
Another one matching the same new design

>>96139064
The AL mk4 was leaked alongside artwork of the updated cataphractii.

>>96139043
Calivers are 2 shot guns at S6
Culverins are 3 shot guns with Heavy(FP) at S6
Culverins are a lot more expensive than Calivers.

>>96138821
The AL here looks like reinforced mk4 used by Destroyers, hence the difference

>>96139039
Lernaean look damn good now. Can just squat on an objective with Line, dare anybody to do something about it, whilst throwing long range conversion beamer blasts that are now AP 3 at mid range. Might actually have the advantage over other terminators since you need to be able to kick something off an objective to get points from vanguard.

>>96139035
They'll give it primaris design cues. The nu-phobos bolters already do the barrel holes before the gun case ends so why would they stop when they already alienated the people that would care about details like those when they shat the new edition out?

>>96139039
Contekar are probably not great still, but theyre better than last ed. I think youre underrating EK, theyre pretty cheap and great at doing low level brawling, on the charge theyll even do fine into other (non legion) terminators. Add expendable so theres no risk to losing them and theyre very nice.

Crimson Paladins are basically immortal, but they just wont do any damage, id put them down a tier.

Is Siege of Terra any good? Should I read it before the Scouring? I won't lie, I was not able to read all the main HH series novels not to mention reaching to Siege of Terra.

>>96139130
like most of the HH series, some books are good and other are not. Look up reading guides to know which to skip and which to read

>>96139130
No and most of the characters that have several books worth of background will feel to you like random mooks.

Are 5-man heavy weapons squads viable in smaller points games like ZM?

>>96139130
I only read The End and The Death and I liked it

>>96139130
It's alright. Skip Mortis. The end and the death is painfully drawn out, but you kind of have to read it because it's the end to the series.

>>96139165
What the HH books really need it's an abridged version cutting the (bad) filler, or re ordering the stories.
For example, it's retarded that the reader has to wait to Echoes of eternity (last to final Siege book) to learn about the origin of the BA and Sanguinius, while the Sanguinius "primarch book" it's actually a brief prequel to Fear to Tread and he barely appears

>>96139156
You don't get a discount for having a bigger squads so if you have the room it's actually preferable to have multiple smaller ones.
A single one for smaller games is also fine, tho for ZM I feel like you'd be better off with a TSS

>>96139127
I dunno about contekar, they have a lot of things going for them beyond just the profile- it’s pretty easy to hand out statuses which goes very well with their legion bonus, prime benefits can make the sarge properly nasty, and they’ve got deep strike + vanguard
They’re very flexible and there’s very little they’re not gonna be good at

Fair about keshig’s expendability, but that aside they don’t do really anything aside from charge strong, and even then requires getting them there
I think crimson paladins are so durable that along with everything else they’ve got it makes up for the weak offense- it will take an incredible amount of firepower to pull them off objectives

>>96139098
Fair, they look strong

>>96139212
Don't forget ebon keshig are WS. Turn one they'll run 13" forward, turn two another 9" followed up by a 4" set up move plus at least 1" charge.

>>96139130
Some very good, some very bad. Mortis was awful, grinding, dragging and boring. Saturnine was amazing. I enjoyed The Solar War, The Lost and the Damned, Warhawk quite a lot. First Wall should be better but the pacing is off. EATD is just too fucking long. It's not badly written or anything, it's just too fucking LONG.

>>96139127
>Contekar
nta and not an NL player, but contekars are simply amazing.
They have fear and can take Heavy Flamers with Panic (1) (this is a -2 LD check), so you deep strike them near the objective and blast tacticals with Flamers and 4A Volkites. If they get the status effect, they can't control/contest the objective anymore; if your squad is big enough, you can literally wipe them out and score 3 VP for Vanguard. (Or you can just kill them with your AP3 weapons on the next turn with the same results; they'll probably run away from the objective earlier though).

>>96138616
Lmao there's such a thing as "SN bros"? I think you're forgetting the condescending sad music and fake tears fuckPardo had in his ugly,bad vid, or when he said "just snap those weapons off!"

>>96139408
Maybe im underestimating their DS potential.

macca and the maccabros are going to save 30k

>>96139408
I've played a few games of 3e now and the game is so ridiculously unkilly that you are very unlikely to wipe out entire units
vanguard will likely never score points solely from one phase of combat, meanwhile tacticals and despoilers can literally do nothing and farm points while being protected by actually scary threats
if you go first and have rhinos with tacs in them, you are scoring an overwhelming amount of points in one turn unless your opponent simply outguns you by a couple of magnitudes

>>96139064
>It's not, you moron, all these illustrations are made for HH3
They were, but they depict the old MkIV.

>>96139071
This is the old design for the old MkIV assault marines.

This is clearly the new design of MkIV >>96138584

>>96139613
Has anybody tried denying objectives turn 1 with infiltrators? Seems like a nobrainer.

>>96139637
the edition isn't killy but it's not unkilly enough so that a 5 man recon squad won't die to an entire shooting phase worth of units

>>96139613
>vanguard will likely never score points solely from one phase of combat
Why? As long as the enemy falls back you score vanguard. You dont need to wipe them out.

>>96139659
But a 10man tactical squad is somehow over that limit?

post dark angel lists!

>>96139661
they have to fall back from combat, not from shooting

>>96139674
they have already scored before you get a chance to shoot

>>96139659
Who said anything about 5 man recon squads? Of course you'll need something a bit more substantial than that.

>>96139637
It's an option but most (no?) infiltrators have line, you can just drive rhinos up 12" and disembark onto most objectives in standard 3.0 missions, why not just do that?

>>96139587
will be funny to see what he comes up with as his 'perfect edition', he's mostly managed to avoid putting his money where his mouth is but this could out him as the hack poser he is.

>>96139684
Sounds like you need more infiltrators

>>96139686
so what do you suggest?
infiltrate units come at a hefty premium and you are using them to simply deny

>>96139684
>they have to fall back from combat, not from shooting
Yea, and one round of combat will easily manage that. Basically any vanguard(X) unit in the game with the exception of outriders (and maybe even those) will easily bully tactical marines (or whatever other line is on there) on an objective, and either wipe them out or have them flee from the resulting combat.

Reavers, raptors, terminators, basic vets. You name it, it will mince power armor fine.

>>96139688
I believe anon is suggesting infiltrating onto the objectives to deny enemy scoring if they go 2nd, not to score preemptively himself.

>Tarantula sentry guns shoot at enemy units during their movement phase
Well well, looks like the automated defences army I was planning might actually be meta.

>>96139709
Only denying is entirely worth it when it stops the opponent from racking up a ton of VP turn one.

>>96139696
okay pardo

>>96139710
You could even conga line infiltrators in front of the enemy deployment zone purely to block movement. Doesn't matter if they die after, because the can't die before they prevent any enemy units from moving through them.

>>96139613
>unlikely to wipe out entire units
Yeah, I was sitting with a calculator here, calculating things, and a big squad of contekar with 2 flamers can reliably kill 10 tacticals with shooting, but that's it without an apothecary or another character. Also, sending a 450-point unit to kill a 100-point unit might not be the best idea. VPs are important, though. Their 4A Volkites are also assault weapons.
>if you go first and have rhinos with tacs in them, you are scoring an overwhelming amount of points in one turn
i thought that would be the case

>>96139709
Tarantulas are 45p for 2 of them

>>96139710
one round of combat cannot manage that
I had 30 thralls live through 3 turns of combat against a vet squad

>>96139727
so you're suggesting to spend 400+ points of your army on shotgun recon marines?

>>96139752
I assume you meant 20 flamers, how are you getting all those templates hitting without overlapping over your own models?

>>96139716
>alright I got the book in front of me lets see what tarantulas are all about
>BS4
>AV10 instead of toughness
jesus christ

>>96139761
>I assume you meant 20 flamers,
I counted 2 flamers with 7 hits each, 14 hits

Does anyone know what Rapid Tracking is?
Does it maybe restrict you to shooting at aircraft?

>>96139771
Now imagine multiple gun emplacements of tarantulas, all with a araknea in the middle giving them a 5+ invulnerable save against shooting.

>>96139782
>Rapid Tracking
I think we don't have that page.

>>96139771
>hyperios missiles are 3 shots at S7 AP3 D2 skyfire, rapid tracking
>skyfire now fires at full BS at ground targets

>>96139782
rapid tracking allows the weapon to shoot via interceptor reaction despite not being a defensive weapon

>>96139759
tarantulas are vehicles and cannot score or contest

>>96139776
14 heavy flamers is like 3 wounds to power armor

I usually edge highlight all my dudes in a 'Eavy metal style, so doing some lads cheap and dirty has been fun. Took me maybe 2 hours all up for these dudes.
15 more for my allied detachment, and then maybe I'll consider a proper transfer sheet...

>>96139679
2450 points

-Primary Detachment (635)
Praetor with terranic greatsword and bolter = 135
[PRIME] Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
- Prime Advantage: Paragon of battle
Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter =95
Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with power fist and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with power fist and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with power fist and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with power fist and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with power fist and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with power fist and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with power fist and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with power fist and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre

-Stormwing Muster Detachment (215)
[PRIME] Tactical squad, master sgt with power fist and bolter, 19 legionaries = 215
- Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre

-Officer Cadre Detachment (190)
[PRIME] Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95
- Prime Advantage: Paragon of battle
Centurion with terranic greatsword and bolter = 95

>>96139782
>>96139798
>>96139803
page for reference, ask and ye shall recieve

and also fuck pardo and walrus

>>96139804
>14 heavy flamers is like 3 wounds to power armor
Yep, 3 from flamers, 6 from volkites, and 1.5 from deflagrate. I probably should have taken more flamers.

>>96139803
>>hyperios missiles are 3 shots at S7 AP3 D2 skyfire, rapid tracking
>>skyfire now fires at full BS at ground targets
>rapid tracking allows the weapon to shoot via interceptor reaction despite not being a defensive weapon
Yea, that's the thing I was looking at. Tarantulas have 2 of those??
That's can't be right.
6 S7 Ap3 D2 shots coming out of a 40p model is insane. And it attacks on the opponents turn

>>96139751
Is that you, Ender, from Ender's Game?

>>96139818
Thanks anon

>>96139818
Thank you! Much appreciated!

>>96139823
They only have 1 of those, I was mixing them up.
Still, that's a pretty good profile to deal with those jump pack veterans deep striking in

>>96139823
it's just one

>>96139823
its entirely correct

twin lascannons on them is also a good shout because they never move so always get D2 with 2 shots a piece

Hmm. Pondering about the tarantula reactions. Given the limited number of reactions, don't we have the same problem as 40k, in the sense that it's more efficient to just react with deathstar type units than it is to have MSU?

>>96139771
laughing from artillery distance

>>96139854
>artillery distance
>24"

>opponent brings a squad of 4 land speeders
>shoots his grav at my multimelta thallax squad
>he kills one thallax
>I return fire and kill the entire squad
man this does not feel right

>>96139852
The tarantula reaction is free. Every unit of tarantulas can use it every enemy movement phase.

>>96139861
3.0 has no power here

>>96139875
Return fire should be snap shots.

>>96139881
>play AL
>take detachment
>make 1 unit of tarantulas logistical benefit

everything just works

>>96138821
>Primaris ears

>>96139954
Anon check your eyesight

>>96139906
>Play DA
>Firewing detachment
>make 1 unit of tarantulas logistical benefit
Our missiles will blot out the sun.

>>96139974
I can just logistical benefit a recon slot for more tarantulas

>>96139761
>one round of combat cannot manage that
Yes, it will easily manage that.
You kill 5 marines and they do nothing, you win combat by 5 (which is easily manageable vs tacticals). Thats tacticals testing vs LD3. Tech thralls are something like LD5, to have them not rout they would need to WIN every round of combat.

There is no more stubborn, there is no more fearless, there is no more implacable or whatever it was terminators had that was faux stubborn. If you lose combat, you test to flee with a negative modifier equal to however much you lost by, even if a vanguard unit wont wipe the enemy unit out (which it easily can, twin claw veterans will still kill like 20 tacticals per combat round) whatever is left will be rolling absurdly low LD to stay.

>>96139751
Maybe with scouts if they have infiltrate?

"LEAKERS could be here" he thought. "I've never been in this discord server before, there could be LEAKERS anywhere". The cool air felt good on his bare head "I hate LEAKERS" he thought. The subscription game rippled through his livestream as the 5€ steroid shot rippled through his water bloated 5'3 frame and washed away his (merited) fear of plasma bombards. "With a Games Workshop sponsorship you can do anything you want" he said out loud

>>96138306
Jesus I can't believe you flubbed that. Do you know how rare it is these days to get an actual setup for "ligma balls heh"? Hang your head in shame anon.

>>96139979
>only 75 points for each pair of tarantulas with hyperios missile launcher
>up to 6 tarantulas for each centurion

>>96139984
If your vanguard unit is failing to shift the enemy, then chances are you are doing something wrong.

>>96140010
hmm what a faggot

A>>96139984
TBF, Tech Thralls actually kind of due have pseudo stubborn, rite of pure through allows them to ignore their losses in combat and 25% losses in shooting for leadership, although they still suffer other leadership penalties including from panic

What % of an army should be dedicated for there theme? For example if I start a white scars army 3000 points, how many points should be allocated to speeds, bikes, flyers and how many points should be used for standard units like mainline infantry, tanks and dreadnoughts.

>>96139984
>nogames noread idiot wasting another post

>>96140010
Post link to the archives, that post doesn't seem to exist

>>96140076
Because it's fake, you can easily tell

Does Sevatar's Gambit allow him to fight later in the challenge, or after using it, can he no longer fight in a challenge?

>give tech thralls malefic
>blocks of 30+ idiots standing on objectives for 4 turns that are immune to all statuses including routing
>the magos attached can also just ignore challenges and ignore the disgraced status and keep swinging away with a power fist

>>96140090
Sevatar still gets to fight later in the challenge. This gambit basically lets him get one additional attack in before the fight even starts.

>>96140111
I thought that much. Thanks.

>>96140109
Thralls aren't cybertheurgists

>>96140109
they're not immune to dying via blasts or deflagrate, and the magii are not immune to being sniped

>>96140143
ignore me, I suck cocks

>>96140028
Theyre still LD bad, less if they're near fear.

>>96140173
Could they not just us the Ld of the attached magos?

>>96140010
Fake AF
Look I can do it too

>>96136131
Beep boop.

>>96133478
>Infinite Justaerin and death wing
Wait what? Infinite how? D:

Reminder that causing a unit to rout in the shooting phase is just free Vanguard points if you can get close enough, because you only fall back move in the move phase or at the end of combat, not any other time you get routed.

mmm, "Imperial" pattern armour is no longer part of the timeline like in HH2. I guess it has been retconned into a techmarine variant and fuck LE2 and Abnett

>>96140210
DA and SoH have their own special detachments that allow them to spam elites and/or heavy assault.

>>96140221
>>96139684

>>96140209
Now that the dust is beginning to settle, how are mech looking? Heard people say melta thaññax are good, but ehat about the rest of the army? Don't see us winning many challenges in chañlenge edition. Maybe the cancer mortar is g9od with the new focus on dtatus effects?

>>96140251
bro wtf is wrong with your keyboard

>>96140263
Scrapcode infestation from sticking penis in wall socket

>>96140263
he's from a spanish country , like me

>>96140266
I'm also retarded, too

>>96140251
>dedo gordea
anon please

Can’t seem to find it in the pdf, does anyone have the rules for Orbital Assault Vehicle and Impact Reactive Doors?

>>96140109
>recreating vampire counts zombies in the aggregate

>>96140285
OAV just means you need to DS and die instantly if you for whatever reason don't.

>IW are one of the launch armies
>Nothing for them in either of the first two journals
Bros...

>>96140328
The new minis were all designed for IH or Salamanders, anon. But one side had to play the baddie, so...

>>96140328
You are on the box art but we do not grant you the rank of main character

>>96140251
Sorry dude. I play 1.0 only. My bots still fire at AP3 and whack at WS4 while being T7.
Astartes shudder when the machine spirits are roused by my Forge Lord.

>>96140328
They learned their lesson from the IH and SOH spam from 2.0.

>>96140251
vultarax also look pretty strong with their two s10 ap2 d2 shots at bs3, but I guess you could buff them with cybertheurgy shit

...why are Shroud Bombs gone. What have they done to my beautiful Recon Squads

>>96138351
wounds are not even slightly same as hull points in the rules. Otherwise Critical Hit would automatically deal 2 hull points to a landraider with S4 and high BS.

RAW, if a tank can become Malefic it's entirely immune to Glancing Hits permanently.

>>96140438
They've given them a 5++ reaction instead

>>96140438
Wait for the legacies.

>>96140471
Aye, but that eats into the reaction pool. Rather than just being always there. It makes Recon Squads feel really vulnerable, as using a reaction on them is probably going to be a waste in most circumstances. Previously, the range penalty at least gave them some survivability.

>>96140494
just sit 3.1" in cover and be unhittable

>>96140494
idk. Considering you can't even shoot through 3" of terrain I don't think they are gonna die that easily

>>96140530
>>96140558
Artillery is going to be mandatory to deal with this shit...

Made my own mini Dante vet sarge. Does the blood drop on his hip make that too many blood drops, or does this look fine? Please don't cry about the legs.

How come I rarely see tartaros Iron Warriors, or just in general never see them in most anon's armies.

>>96140581
Iron Warrior players have no taste, obviously.

>>96140530
>>96140558
they don't have indirect fire weapons so recon are doing nothing sitting inside a building. And I think everyone should be bringing at minimum one squad of 24" AP3 phosphex rapiers to cure this retard edition's terrain. They'd bounce the recons out of cover with panic(3) and also kill several of them with the S5 AP3.and recons only having 1 wound each.

>>96140040
0% or 100% there's no middle ground.

>>96140588
once a unit gets panicked out of its Ruin hidey spot, if even 1 single toe on one model can be seen, your other shooting can wipe the entire rest of the squad.
Recon have been very much nerfed.

>>96140040
probably 0% or 100%, i think that's a fair pick.

>>96140609
Panic tests are at the end of the phase.

>>96140581
Cuz generic terminators are usually not that good and if you are still going to take them you are probably not going to go with the worse option
>>96140588
They can contest objectives bc otherwise whoever goes first just rushes them with line troops and makes a pretty big lead

>>96140581
You needed the 4+ invulnerable of cataphractii to have an even remote chance of surviving all the Brutal weapon in 2.0

Why did they remove melee veterans without jumppacks?
In the edition where they made rhino rush legal?
wtf

>>96140581
Tartaros doesn't really fit IW fluff does it? Like of course they have them but I can't imagine perty would go out of his way to get more of those instead of the cheaper and more resistent cataphractii.

>>96140040
Depends on the kind of company you are trying to portray.

>>96140643
Yeah that one is really fucking weird.

>>96140643
>>96140656
I guess those are called Centurion Command squads now?

>>96140656
Not really. It tracks with all their other decisions this edition.

>>96140645
IW have been shown using Tartaros

>>96140672
>Like of course they have them but I can't imagine perty would go out of his way to get more of those instead of the cheaper and more resistent cataphractii.

>>96140667
Oh wait you're right. These are basically the existing veteran unit entry, complete with being able to mix ranged and melee weapon upgrades.

>>96140672
Hmm... I wonder what that Tartaros has on his left arm... is that-- oh my workshop... IS THAT A POWERFIST?!?!!?! HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!! GW!!!! ILLEGAL KIT!!!!!

>>96140674
less common doesn't mean "doesn't fit", retard-anon

>>96135645
Pardo did nothing wrong.

>>96140690
Are you actually retarded or do you go to anonymous imageboards posting things wrongly on purpose trying to get a rise out of random people like the "wait for legacies" posts?

>>96140685
Note that vets or command squads no longer can carry a ranged and a melee weapon like in HH1/2.
It's always one or the other unless they're termies

>>96140581
Because DESU IW outside of Mk2, 3 or Cata armor is wrong...Objectively.

>>96138821
>new marine hands and arms are smaller and slimmer than old
>in the art the old arms are made to look small and slim while new ones look big and bulky

>>96140708
None of my veterans on foot have a special weapon and a melee weapon, it's just melee and special weapon in the same squads.

feel like the counter to rhino rush is tarantulas

either pop the rhinos or just unload a ton of AP3 fire into the tactical squad when it disembarks

Why haven't I heard anybody talk about the fact we can finally have veteran squads with volkite chargers by the way?

>>96140567
Maybe give him more things on his hip, chain looks good but a bit empty. Adding something else makes the blood drop fit in better.
Maybe a reliquary of some kind. ammo or pouches?

It's stupid that GW has removed the super easy ways to bring along robots and SA into Legion armies.
Besides praevians, the other consuls no longer can do it and must join units in allied detachments, with a more messy list building.
You'd think that GW would like the easy money of marine players buying those non astartes units.

>>96140735
I mean they could take combi-volkites before as well and I don't think I've ever seen anyone care

>>96140722
lucky you, mine all have at least a chainsword as per their old datasheet

>>96139989
Plz be patient with me i have autism.

>>96140760
If they liked money they would have let people just put thallax and castellax in normal lists without the consuls. I think 1.0 SA can do that but I'm not sure if 1.0 marines can.

Storm eagle with some jump troops inside has like a 35"+ engagement range for melee, potentially turn 1.

>>96140775
Mine were from before that, and either have the combat blade from the plastic Mk IV marines or a power sword. Back in 1.0 where a combat blade or chainsword was the same thing.

>>96140792
IMO, the consuls were a sensible and fluffy tax.

>>96140581
I did have some in 1.0, when their deepstrike thing was a thing

>>96140779
>m.jpg
Not autism enough.

>>96135630 (OP)
What rules do I need to play loyalist death guard? Would it be fun? I fucking love the idea of running a loyalist group of Death Guard on Istvaan III making them pay for every inch

>>96140807
a combat blade is easier to pass as the barebones CCW. A chainsword not so much. Even more stupid is that vets and tacs can use chainbayonets despite having the exact same stats

>>96140815
Don't take deathshroud or any of the named characters. That's all there is to it, do whatever the fuck you like.

>>96140815
Depends what edition? And everything's fun. I personally run loyalist WE on Isstvan 3, so mostly dreads, termis and veterans you'd expect from Terra.

>>96140810
Fluff went out of the window a long time ago.

>>96140830
Do you run vets with combat shields + power spears? You should

>>96140822
Locally we agreed to just have the unit pay for chain bayonets and let them use the chainswords. It's the same thing anyway.

>>96136209
What an ugly conversion. Why do people think stupid shit like putting the swords on backwords is "creative"

>>96140829
Thanks

>>96140830
That’s fucking sweet, probably 3.0, but I’m a big art guy, are there must have hooks in 1st/2nd edition you would recommend for OOB and other cool details? I was also thinking of loyalist WE on istvaan 3

>>96140857
>conversion
Anon... please be joking.

>>96140815
In HH1/2 there was a DG loyalist character in the game: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crysos_Morturg

He managed to survive Issvan III with help from a Magos, and later led a blackshield warband

>>96140839
Not a fan of spears aesthetically. Swords and axes generally.

>>96140792
3.0 SA can get Thallax, Castellax and Techpriests in the Iron pattern cohorts in 2.0 and 3.0, they just lose out in buffs to SA units from the other Cohorts.

>>96140760
lets be honest, in the lore a marine should rinse a thallax no problem.

>>96140862
>>96140862
Hard to beat the black books. Pretty easy to find pdfs/megas of em. Kinda glad Alan Bligh's not around to see what's becoming of 30k.

>>96140888
would they? dunno, I don't remember any example and thallax are quite strong

>>96140888
Marines are less well armed and weaker than Thallax but have the advantage of fighting as a well co-ordinated team of soldiers and not a horde of nerve stapled psychopaths caught between agonising pain and drug induced euphoria.

Unless they're the Emperors Children I guess.

>>96140888
I think in terms of raw strength and durability the thallax should have it, but the marine is faster and more skilled. If they win its because they exploit that.

Do you think Seekers with nemesis bolters will be coming back in pdf's? I've been figuring out a 1500 point list and to make it work I need to run Seekers instead of Recon for my Vigilator so I can get an apex detachment for the extra logi benefit.

>>96140909
they are made out to be factory floor flimsy shit with extremely basic protocols in the books and marines are basically hydraulic strength so easily equal to the thin pistons on thallax. Pretty sure they could overpower them as well as being all over them in combat.

>>96140857
0/10, see me after class.

>>96140888
Veteran marines crush thallaxii. Standard tacticals can manage a win but not without casualties.

>>96138564
The AL one if memory serves

>>96140931
No idea honestly. We'll find out next week.

>>96140931
>I need to run Seekers instead of Recon for my Vigilator so I can get an apex detachment for the extra logi benefit.
wut
You'd need the logistic benefit to put Seekers in the Vigilator's detachment, wouldn't you?

I don't think that kind of option is coming back. They are pretty redundant.
Either way aren't Kraken boltguns better on seekers?

>>96140941
Are you sure you're talking about the Thallax and not automata? Because thallax don't have protocols, theyre cybernetically enhanced people and not robots.

>>96140760
>I am doing Good Works, Trooper Persson!

>>96140978
no definitely thallax in that book with Cawl and a few others.

>>96140979
>Erebus getting his shit pushed in by a servitor with a metal box.

>>96140973
Kraken bolters are cracked, basically better plasma guns in every way

>>96140973
The unit characters join doesn't need to be in the same detachment, otherwise logi benefit would be the only way to have a character join a non troop unit.
If I bring seekers instead of recon, I can take them in a army vanguard instead of a combat pioneer, which gives me an extra prime slot for logi benefit. So then I have a praetor, a vigilator, and 2 logi benefits.

>>96140762
I cared. On which topic, I can't check right now, but can combi-weapons still fire both modes in the same shooting phase?

Would this thing be too chaos for HH Death Guard?

>>96141075
I think we haven't seen the Combi rule yet

>>96141081
Maybe. It depends on how you paint it.
It would be perfect for Word Bearers.

>>96141081
It'd be fine for late heresy. After getting stranded in the warp the DG were thoroughly corrupted.

>>96141063
>instead of a combat pioneer
If you have a recon squad and a vigilator why not take them in the vigilators recon company detachment? It already gets you a prime benefit there

>>96141081
It's not particularly chaosy but the asthetic is pretty different from HH

>>96141081
Perfect for late heresy

>>96141081
I'd allow it purely because of its SOVL

>>96140693
Anyone at any time of said "thanks brother, you did a good job" or "I'm proud of you"
fr fr

Is it an infantry edition, a heavy infantry edition or a tank edition?

>>96141225
It's a dead on arrival edition. Nobody is playing 3.0

>>96141135
God I hate this fucking detachment system. You're right, I missed that one.

>>96141225
A lot of people are waiting for actual release/legacies doc.

From what I have seen though, rhinos are pretty fucking peak this edition.
objectives are omega important due to how swingy they are (from high levels of line and vanguard), and rhinos have HUGE threat range since you can move full, disembark full, then possibly charge.

>>96141225
Its a transport edition. No matter what you take you want it in a transport for extra movement.

>>96141225
as mentioned, you want transports they are really good this edition.

Objectives are more important then ever now, which desu idk how i feel about, one hand cool, on the other hand lame that once again your best move is gonna be just to spam max squad tacticals.

So how do Fliers work? I'm a bit confused and trying to figure out how my Xiphons operate now.

>>96141245
Its such an extra faff when you KNOW you can take absolutely anything you want, you just gotta shuffle through 500 detatchments (a list which will keep getting longer no doubt) to find the most optimal detatchment combo to max your amazonprime slots.

>>96141305
You choose which flyer stratagem type thing you want to do (shoot stuff, deploy stuff, pick up stuff, some other one).
Flyer deploys at your table edge.
Enemy can try intercept (snapshots)
You then move/shoot drop troops as specified above
Flyer is removed off the board again
Repeat multiple times per game based on rng roll

Thats how flyers work now - they never stay on the board.

>>96141303
>melta beam looks like a generic flamer

>>96141294
Damn the unit type pictures are jarring when it's not a SM army.

>>96141305
They appear and zoom off in the same turn.
You pick what they'll do between a fast shooting pass, slow shooting pass, picking people, dropping them off, and there's a reaction to intercept enemy fliers. If you go fast shooting, you can only shoot centerline and guided fire weapons, and centerline weapons are snapshots, but intercept reactions snapshot against you. If you slow shoot, you shoot normally but enemies don't snapshot on reaction.

>>96141323
That is exceptionally odd. A model feels wholly irrelevant in this ruleset.

>>96141294
I was hoping reviews were wrong, but damn, no marine allies.

>>96141323
>Spend time and energy building and painting a beautiful model
>Spends most of the game sitting off on another table
Guess GW didn't need to sell anymore fliers.

>>96141371
thunderhawk/stormbird chuds coping and shitting as they can't even keep their cool models on the board.

>>96141371
>>96141379
essentially, you can just use a cardboard cutout token for the flyer and lose 0% of the experience on HH3. Like the 2nd ed starter with the cardboard dreadnought.

>>96141294
Mixing SA and militia in one detachment?

Uh oh guys
I spotted an illegal move in the rulebook

>>96141294
>>96141303
>>96141309
On the one hand, we knew of these rules. On the other hands, I like the fluff.

>>96141419
Master of Steel Rain will fix it

>>96141419
Silly anon, they're clearly in reserve, not on the table.

>>96141461
>sky goes black with drop pods
>they all hover in their air using Land's antigrav tech while one drops safely to the ground at a time
>rest just hover menacingly over the battlefield

>>96141419
the official SW army they showed had TH on their varangyr

>>96139024
So it was interesting. We only got 3/4 through turn 2. Some highlights:
1. Xiphon was ok. Doing a strafing run we saw interceptor was full BS, but reading the other assignments and skyfire it seems like snap shots should be more common against flyers, like in return fire without skyfire? But we couldn't find anything so I just said to react at full BS regardless. In seach and destroy are both parts of the corner your table edge?
2. 3 reactions whenever was fine, the DG one is really good.
3. The DG prime slot is nuts if you dont read that it only goes on a centurion, whoops. He had a +1W vet tac squad with apoth all game that soaked so much damage.
4. Dreads WS4 is really painful, my Cata command punted a contemptor into the stratosphere.
5. 5 Mor Deythan evaporated a Praetors head.
6. Moritat with charger praetorian jump command squad soaked a lot of fire and dished it out until routing to some death shrouds.
7. Having a status mattered more than the status with only 1.75 turns.
8. Tacs in rhinos to farm so much VP immediately felt a little out of control. It was neck and neck but if you dont have tacs to sacrifice into counter scoring seems like your opponent can really get ahead.
9. Master of Descent deepstrike turn 1 with Dark Furies was underwhelming. I really only placed them somewhere they could have gone naturally turn one due to the deployment. He seems only really good with shooting turn one. I bet with destroyers he'd be way better.
10. Drop pod plasmagun team was ok. Return fire counting as stationary is also crazy. 10 tacs returning 30 shots is strong.
11. RG trait is indeed strong

>>96141490
Line/comptroller are essentially mandatory in a army list. You'll never get anywhere without it.you need vanguard 3 to make flipping an objective more valuable than just holding it and that is pretty rare. Vanguard 2 can equalise points as a recovery mechanic but until we're all more familiar every first turn is going to be player one rushes forward with line units to occupy points and player 2 rushes forward with vanguard units to push them off.

>>96141517
I noticed that the strength of line is even more important now, which means more then ever the trop tax of minimum 2 ten mans with a rhino just got more impotant.

Its wild because the more things change, the more they stay the same.
>Introduce more flexible list building
>Make the need for basic bitch tac squads more important then ever.

>>96141371
Atleast you can make sick boards with them. You can have a fight at your legion's forward airbase.

>>96141238
you're not wrong.
>7/11 - 15 in stock
>7/12 - 15 in stock
>7/13 - 19 in stock with 4 cancels
>7/14 - 17 in stock
>7/15 - 16 in stock
>7/16 - 15 in stock
>7/17 - 15 in stock
>7/18 - 15 in stock
>7/19 - 15 in stock
>7/20 - 16 in stock after another cancellation
Holy fucking dead flop launch of an edition.

>>96141371
I just tried a xiphon and it was fine, basically a predator that only got shot back by a reaction. Next game I'm trying an eagle too.

Though rules for shooting with stable flyers and without skyfire outside intercept need clarifying imho.

>>96141517
I am never leaving without at least 2x10 Tacs in rhinos. I might even cram one into a drop pod just to make sure I can contest a far one.

>>96141578
>drop pod
You are going to purchase the new and legally approved drop pods, aren't you anon? You aren't going to cheat by using one that is closed, right?

>>96141568
No one cares about your local store, stop shitting up every thread with this picture

>>96141578
You put a Rhino into a Drop Pod?

>>96141603
The HH drop pod rules specify that the doors have to be opened, and it has a combi-bolter as wargear. The new plastic drop pods for 40k are in fact illegal to use in HH.

>>96141603
>You aren't going to cheat by using one that is closed, right?
Sure am. I printed 6 and have 2 from 5e that aren't glued but the harness racks are lost to the ages. We just rule they don't block LoS and since doors don't count for anything it doesn't matter.

>>96141624
A third tac squad into a pod

>>96141625
>illegal to use in HHTHREE the game that nobody will be playing
Perfectly legal to use in Horus Heresy non-dead editions.

>>96141645
In which the drop pods also have a combi-bolter. So still no.

>>96141624
He plays BAngels

>>96141660
Anyone who gets so anal that a drop pod doesn't have a storm bolter, isn't the kind of guy who's probably gonna be fun to play.
The ACTUAL reason not to get the new shitpods is that they're the shitty wannabe terrain made-in-chinkna with rubbery plastic that never fully sets, and the details are shallower than your mum.

>>96141578
I'm Theory crafting an ultima pattern SA list right now, planning on five full lasrifle sections all in prime slots with combat veterans for extra mental stats.

Sticking 2 sections In dracosans and having the other 3 footslog. My line commands are hiding in Arvus Lighters and I'll be dumping the rest of my points into Tanks and sentinels.

Glad line sections are allowed to be useful honestly, Ive always liked them.

>>96141697
How dare you, my mother is positively cavernous I'll have you know.

>>96141603
So is the new one stuck in open position?

>>96141716
Yeah the new shitty 40k drop pod has the doors stuck open. Horrible to transport, garbage cheap quality piece of shit.

>>96141660
the combi-bolter is a white blood cell that effectively detects rivet counter trash for your group to kick out and make a social pariah forever.

>>96141741
Begone you pathetic 40k tourist.

>>96139812
>Legionary scratches ass
>suddenly 60 tac marines surround him
Literally how do you play around this

>>96141764
Simply don't move out of your deployment zone, and snipe the like 8 dudes actually deployed on the field and laugh as the rest of his army is never allowed to deploy

>>96140723
Pop them how? Math anon said you need like 500 pts of HSS autocannons to kill a rhino

>>96141783
Interdiction Cadres can pop out in your DZ too.

>>96139812
You cant have a master sgt and interdiction cadre, theyre both prime benefits.

>>96140723
Present the options. Rhinos can be hidden, move 12, disembark 7 and land on objectives readily. If you can't move block or 1-turn them the contents are where they want to be.

The support choices are surprisingly crowded. Tarantulas, rappers, and heavy support squads alone makes it hard to pick.

Has anyone formed an opinion on which rapier guns are most useful?

>>96141834
I mean, if you don't read the rules, you can do ANYTHING, I guess

>>96141823
Tarantulas shoot in the movement phase for free at BS4 with a number of horrible weapons and can also infiltrate.

>>96141848
>rapier guns are most useful?
They all are, Its whatever your list needs the most.

>>96141848
All rapier guns seem to have their own niche in which they look very useful

>>96140829
Nooo. But Deathshroud are affordable now :(

Typing the word soul with a "v" in it is so ass-bashingly gay. It's amazing and funny that 4chan decided on the same lexical stylistic embellishment as a woman-fronted Swedish mildrock festival band.

Resist the hivemind, don't say things that mark you out as pathetic.

>>96141834
If you ignore the rules, then sure I guess.

>>96141660
Yo, that picture is taken from half a meter away, can you even see the fucking illegal weapon in it? Oh right - it suffices to know it's there, right? Guess my NL terror tactics works through the 4th wall.

>>96141852
>>96141874
I consneed, I don't have the whole rule memorized just the
>within 6" of the model you're reacting to
>5" away from an enemy model, table edge, or impassable terrain

>>96141889
Yes, in fact I can. Cases like this is why I always bring a hammer.

>If tarantulad were infantry like in 2.0 TS could make them psykers
Lmao

>>96141873
You lack SOVL

>>96141889
No need to commit suicide, it is just a game. (And no, I don't believe you, it's not even hit by light.)

>>96141848
Tarantulas are recon I think

>>96140829
Scythe rules are really stupid. It should have been Reaping Blow(2), Duelist's Edge(1). That huge 2h scythe has way more reach than a sword and reaping doesn't work in duels.

Whats a lascutters shooting profile? I cant find it. I see the melee that has
>Note that this weapon has both a Ranged and a Melee Weapon profile
I see a melta cutter thats a R6 blast? Typo?

looking through the leaks now, is it real that Warlord traits are gone or have I just missed that, yes am slow.

>>96141957
range 8 strength 10 ap 3 damage 2 ordnance (D)

It's on the same page as volkite, which wasn't put in the collected leaks PDF

>>96141963
Yes that's correct. You ARE slow.

>>96141957
the volkite page is missing from the PDF. Lascutter is on exotic weapons under volkite,
8", 1 shot, S10 AP2 D2, ordinance(D), Armourbane

>>96141965
>>96141968
Ah I see it now. Wow thats really good. I should rebase my breachers to match and use them

I'm kinda dreading female space marines and makes me scared to invest. Why doesn't GW just come out and deny it?

>>96141992
The melee profile isn't bad either, now that it no longer reduces WS to 1

>>96142004
GW gets paid to put women in their books and miniature games by ESG corporations. You'll notice before ESG 99% of the book characters were men (as they should be in the military) then afterwards 90% of non-space marine characters became women.

>>96141847
tarantulas can infiltrate and take S7 AP3 D2 rockets at BS4, deploy them within LoS of an obj marker whereever and just wait for a tactical squad to get out and walk on it, where they will be reacted to from basically every tarantula that can see them as multiple units can react to a single thing, if they fit the criteria

>>96137534
Games workshop themselves have already said what's in the PDF and from their description it is not as comprehensive as the shills insist it will be. I don't know what the shills are getting out of it at this point. They're just delaying the disappointment of gullible people.

>>96141992
You can freely take rhinos to put your breachers in as well now. Great way to get in range to use those lascutters.

>>96142004
Looking at it as an "investment" means you're already fucked, you're already too sick for an answer to matter. There's no wronger word you could use for buying toys.

>>96142004
Fucking hell you sound pathetic. How many years have you already lived in fear of female space marines, rather than enjoy playing with plastic spacemans.

>>96142053
GW really hoping to trick every SM sucker into buying $400 of rhinos for this edition so 3 years from now they can nerf them like they always nerf rhino rush every edition after a rhino rush edition.

>>96142103
Jokes on GW, I printed 4

>>96142103
Well the joke is on them, for I already owned six fully build and painted Rhinos long before 2.0 was even announced.