Thread 96137471

Storm Trooper Edition

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>>96132378

>Thread Question:
Do /yourdudes/ have their own version of strom troopers? Elites like Kasrkin or Grenadiers?

>>96137471 (OP)
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My elites are just aspect warriors of course

I wish you could give frag cannons to non-deathwatch chapters.

Imperial agents expansion is coming...
I can peel it...
>TQ
Only thing close to elites are the few KT models I have been bringing along with the rest of my IA army. A friend of mine plays genestealer cults so I kitbashed some bits and made /mydudes/ some anti genestealer arbites within our homebrew sector. After the first signs of invasion the arbites were quickly dispatched and now form absolute anti bug measures such as
-killing any and all bugs be them tyranid or not on sight
-destroy every single bike on the system brutally on sight
-outlawing baldness
-no doctors (friend's genestealer army is based sround experimenrs and biophaguses or whatever theyre called) around AT ALL
They wear police blue to remind the bugs of the ultramarines' glory on ultramar with purple bits and lines recounting how many elite genestealers they have snuffed.
I really hope my army gets stormtroopers the fuck back. What the fuck.

Reminder that chaos is for chumps

I hate the new vulkan and I can't even figure out why. It just gives me a churn in my gut.

>>96137532
I personally don't like the pose. Like it's not bad but it feels a bit bland.

>>96137493
You could, but not anymore

>>96137532
Because it's a mess full of bad details and awkward pose.
I'm not a primaris hater, but the old mini was technically better despite the same retarded flamer inside the arm (unlike the actual primarch Vulkan mini)

>>96137557
Would be cool if they made a primaris devastator kit and then added few frag cannons into the kit.

>>96137493
Those faces look so bad

>>96137574
I like him!

>>96137493
More like FAG cannons lol!

>>96137574
Disagree, the faces look great, but they're closer to the cartoony RT style, so they're not for everyone

>>96137493
I wish they would bring back the one grenade launcher from SM1

Where do you draw the line for canon?

>>96137604
Exclusively stuff I heard about from a friend at the lunch table in the early 2000s

>>96137574
Yeah aren't BAs supposed to be like super pretty or something? Not really getting it from that face

>>96137604
If it is made by GW or has GW's approval, it is canon.

>>96137604
Everything I believe in is canon
Everything I don't isnt
I have the correct most insightful soulful kino view on this setting and how each faction should be properlu characterized and played out
If I was the head at GW this setting wpuld have been golden again and even grogs won't be able to resist playing my personally written 11th ed
Every novel or piece or content I don't like is bad and worthless and drained the setting of what made it good
Horus Heresy should have never happened
I will share my headcanons and /mydudes/ with 6 or so people willing to listen and die a beautiful failed poet's death
GW writers are just bad I could do a better job

>>96137604
Stuff I like is canon, stuff I don't like is not

>>96137595
They are in contrast to pretty much all the other Space Marine faces, so they stick out. Mabye its the paintjob, but idk. The DW Space Wolf successor looks so derpy compared to the actual space wolfs.

>>96137637
>Stuff I like is canon, stuff I don't like is not
This is the only useful definition.

>>96137471 (OP)
>TQ
Yes they do.
My problem is that I don't have the "classic heroic scale" proxy models to create such things. I just work with what I can.

>>96137604
What I like is canon. Therefore female marines are canon.

What is going on with Imperium sculpts in particular these days?
Like Xenos releases have all looked fine and the chaos ones are okay if a bit uninspired. But several of the Imperium ones have been actually terrible this edition.

what are some good models to use as a base for a converted/kitbashed Weirdboy?

The Silent King novel shows that the Synod of Mars is planning to rebel against the Imperium and break away from the rule of the dead Emperor.
Why isn't anyone discussing this? A civil war is brewing.

>paint a squad
>it looks like shit

how have i gotten WORSE over time?

>>96137668
As the guy who wrote the lore summary that gets passed around, I specifically leave out details as canary traps for when people claim they have read the book.

>>96137674
Maybe your standards have increased for what you think is a properly painted model, therefore you perceive your newer models as looking worse. When in fact you're improving.

>>96137646
>The DW Space Wolf successor looks so derpy compared to the actual space wolfs.
mmm

>>96137675
kek based

>>96137675
Diabolical, but unnecesary, IMO. Retards always lie and invent shit that never happened in BL books

>>96137668
>admech is schisming again
yawn, what else is new?

>>96137683
He looks fine to me.

>>96137679
it doesn't help that theyre Mandrakes which for some reason i have found really difficult to paint

i dont think im improving tho, for the last few years ive been doing base>wash>drybrush and i have to fix mistakes quite a bit. im thinking of doing an army that requires me to learn some new techniques

>>96137683
I love you Dr Zaius!

>>96137674
Your standards have gotten higher. You probably paint about the same if not a little better than you did 6 months ago

>>96137683
probably meant to look like hes on his way to being wulfen
>>96137615
>lunch table in the early 2000s
why cant we go back... why cant we ever know we're in the good days before they end...

>bought a votann combat patrol years ago as an impulse purchase
>started feeling buyer’s remorse after assembling them, never ended up painting them
>new releases look genuinely good and have reinvigorated my love for the faction
Nice

>>96137675
Why are you replying to me? I read the book.

>>96137714
I think I just fucked this particular squad, been painting for like 6 years now and they kinda look shit. Might just do smth easy next like some hormagaunts to rebuild my confidence

>>96137719
>really like the new votann releases
>see the prices

man after getting a resin printer i simply cannot justify paying for gw plastic

>>96137719
I've been loving the ironkyn and cogs,

>>96137695
The Fabricator General is dead, implied to have been assassinated. Roboute disgraced the Admech in front of the Imperial ruling classes.
There will be a pushback against this.

Are necrons allowed in commorragh?

>>96137724
>"Why isn't anyone discussing this? "

Would terminator World eaters that aren’t red butchers make logical sense? I assume you want a large as a range of movement as possible when engaging in melee.

>>96137604
Radioactive hot take: The most important lore is the lore that gets more people personally invested in their army enough to lovingly build and convert and paint them and get them to the table for play. It doesn't matter if it's the same head canon for all people. In fact, it's better if it's not. Just whatever gets each individual more personally invested in a way they find worth their time.

>>96137732
eh its just the 48946768547th admech schism since 30k, they split more than trotskyists

>>96137732
>There will be a pushback against this
Yeah, yeah, just like that rando whore got a primarch killing knife.
Nothing ever happens.

>>96137743
yeah, the legions had normal terminators and then their special termies

>>96137742
The PDF was leaked a week ago. I assumed people read it.

>>96137754
Anon we used to have a mega with every warhammer book ever written, and no one read shit

>>96137737
anyone is "allowed" (sans chaos) provided they can protect themselves and/or have a powerful backer and dont try to fuck with the established order. deldar are weirdly enough the most inclusive faction after tau

>>96137748
nah bro thats wisdom as, big brain posts only tonight bruz

>>96137668
>Why isn't anyone discussing this?
Nobody cares. It BL flavor text which has no bearing on fluff because GW will ignore it and then contradict it in a future release.

>>96137778
>Nobody cares. It BL flavor text which has no bearing on fluff because GW will ignore it and then contradict it in a future release.

I remember when that myth first started, it was because people who read the novels knowlege cliff people here

>>96137778
Dawn of Fire was a collaboration between the GW studio and BL. It's different.

>>96137730
>man after getting a resin printer i simply cannot justify paying for gw plastic
What proonter did you get?
Saturn 4 is less than 400 Canadian Dollars at the moment and I'm feeling tempted to get one before I even get a table set up

>>96137754
did they make a 3rd silent king book? thats odd considering theyre releasing an omnibus with the first two in a few months, youd think theyd wait and release one later with the whole trilogy

>>96137737
I actually don't think dark eldar and neceons have ever interacted in BL or fluff

>>96137786
in the scribes episode on WH+ guy haley goes on like a 7 minute rant about how for other franchices the novels would just be ignored as tie in fiction, but in warhammer its different and the novels are an engine that moves the canon forward

>>96137788
the saturn 4 ultra. i 100% rate it honestly, theres a shitload of good sculpts for almost every army out there. make sure you read up on how to use it and the safety steps you need to take. resin printing can be fun but is also a gigantic pain in the ass, but still works out to be way way cheaper over time than buying gw

>>96137778
>fluff
it's lore
And you have it the other way around: The lore in GW codexes and campaign books is meaningless nowadays besides the broad strokes.
We're no longer in the 2000s

Drooling retard here. Two questions about 10th edition rules, greentext is copy-pasted directly from the core book:

>The number of models a unit contains when it is added to your army is known as its Starting Strength.
>If a unit has a Starting Strength of 1, then it is said to be Below Half-strength while its remaining number of wounds is less than half of its Wounds characteristic.
>For any other unit, while the number of models in that unit is less than half of its Starting Strength, that unit is said to be Below Half-strength.
So what happens when a unit that starts with two models loses one of the models?
1 isn't less than half of 2. And its Starting Strength was 2, so the wounds rule doesn't apply. Are units of two models just immune to battle shock?

>If a model in the target unit has already lost one or more wounds, or has already had attack allocated to it this phase, that attack must be allocated to that model. Otherwise, that attack can be allocated to any model in the target unit.
If I have a fresh unit of 5 models each with 3 wounds, and my opponent's attack inflicts 10 wounds on the unit, since it's all one attack and no wounds have been inflicted on the unit, does that mean I can allocate 2 wounds to each model and lose 0 models?

Thank you in advance.

>>96137805
Cope harder

>>96137800
How beginner idiot proof is the Saturn 4 Ultra?
Are air purifiers necessary?

>>96137800
to add before i go to bed, some tips:
-use a fermentation band to heat the resin. cold resin wont print right and if youre in canada youll need it for a good chunk of the year. in australia i only need it during winter for the most part
-ventilate the printing area well, if you can smell it that's a problem
-i recommend getting a cleaning/curing machine like the creality UW-01, you dont "need" it but it makes everything a hell of a lot easier
>use the plastic scraper, NOT the metal scraper, unless the print is 100% stuck to the plate and you have to use it, cos they scratch the build plate

>>96137807
>Are units of two models just immune to battle shock?
Yes, except for abilities that force battleshock

>does that mean I can allocate 2 wounds to each model and lose 0 models?
No, you technically allocate wounds 1 by 1, so you apply 1 wound to model 1, then wounds 2/3 must go to that model etc.
This gets more complicated with multi-damage weapons

>>96137814
I'm not the one seething about 40k lore since before 2017, lol

>>96137821
pretty idiot proof given that i use it lmao. air purifiers do jack shit, just make sure you have an open window at the very least and never go into the print room without a respirator. i recommend watching some youtube videos on the proper use of a resin printer before you buy to see if its for you

you can go down the FDM route, which is way easier, but the quality of models is worse. FDM is great for terrain and very large vehicles but for human-scale models they don't look amazing, while resin detail is terrific and is as good as or even better than plastic

>>96137840
Yeah instead you just damage controlling.

>>96137840
You probably are though. the "lore doesn't matter crowd" are folks eternally seething that some folks know more than they do.

>>96137842
>air purifiers do jack shit
Dammit. I have no ventilated room for a 3D proonter. :(

>>96137835
>Yes, except for abilities that force battleshock
Is there some lore reason why units of two are unbreakable while units of 1 and 3 are?

>>96137870
No

>>96137821
extremely easy to use - you'll spend more time messing around with the software than actually setting it up and maintaining it.
like the other anon said make sure the room you use it in is well ventilated and never run it in the same room you eat or sleep in - garages are ideal. you can get covers for them that isolate them from the rest of the room and use an extractor fan to blow the air out which you can use if space is limited, but i have no experience with them

>>96137878
Alright thanks!

>>96137846
No, I just think the changes are fine for the most part
>>96137849
No, I'm in the side that thinks the lore matters

>>96137886
>No, I just think the changes are fine for the most part
But it wasn't subject of our discussion, capeshitter

>>96137796
Yes, they clashed. They clashed in several codexes lore entries and a number of novels. Also, Necron victims have appeared in some novels set in the Dark City.

Silent Hunters has a scene where the protags sneaking in the Dark City found crucified Necrons

>>96137604
Everything that was canon back when I was 12 back in 2005

>>96137903
What's the point though just fucking around? 95% of necrons can't feel things and bringing one of the few ones who do to get tortured in the dark city would take an extreme amount of needless effort for 1% of the pain a normal human could have. Is this just post war in heaven 40 million years old petty spite?

>>96137922
oh hey I made that meme, cruelty squad's soundtrack is a bop

>>96137922
tbf its the kind of thing I could see a random archon or haemonculi doing just because/to prove they can

>>96137937
So it is just fucking around

>>96137901
Sure it was. You just don't know shit
>capeshitter
welcome to 40k, newfag

Supposedly, the Emperor's Sword can perma-kill Necrons.
Justify this, guys.

>>96137471 (OP)
Yeah, /mydudes/ have got their own stormtroopers. They're usually guys that have gone insane and blessed by papa in the trenches by committing enough war crimes. There's also a different faction composed of Void Pirate Mercenaries, but they haven't seen much play since the Marauder rules got squatted.

>>96137967
>Sure it was.
Except it wasn't
>>96137805
>And you have it the other way around: The lore in GW codexes and campaign books is meaningless nowadays besides the broad strokes.
>welcome to 40k, newfag
Bad example because Eldread died in the Eye of Terror campaign.

>>96137970
The emperos sword can permakill daemons who are living concepts beyond reality, I dont know why necrons should be immune.

also heres the quote because I actually read the novel

>"There was the sensation of something huge and powerful moving by at speed. A rush of fire, and the weight on Sicarius lifted away. Guilliman yanked one back and tossed it aside with the Hand of Dominion, the thing coming to pieces as it flew through the air. Then he was away, stepping over Sicarius, the mass of his life-preserving armour crushing necrons flat as they struggled back up to their feet. He never stopped moving, the Hand of Dominion sweeping restlessly across the fray, spewing large-calibre bolts into the foe that struck with hammer-blow force, reducing necrons to scrap. The Sword of the Emperor roared fire, cleaving them down, and when they fell, they neither rose again nor phased away."-The Silent King

>>96137970
Anything can perma kll crons if their carrier wave is severed, they can't recover the remains, and they have no backups.
Necrons don't escape the grimdark, they just delay it.

>>96137970
Necrons can be perma killed by like 76 different methods I wouldn't be surprised if the fucking Emperor's Golden Cock did it too. Most instances of perma killed necrons are when they lose connection to like the main system they keep their minds in so maybe the sword hits them so badly they can't send shit back

>>96137970
>Justify this, guys.
It's the Emperor's Sword, it can just do that.

>>96137983
>Bad example because Eldread died in the Eye of Terror campaign.
eye of terror was rolled back in the last white dwarf before 5th edition

>>96137924
>bop
Homosexual ass word

>>96137997
>eye of terror was rolled back in the last white dwarf before 5th edition
And..? You forgot to put an argument, how exactly Vigilus, Pariah nothingburgers are better?

>>96138006
and blackreach wasn't a nothing burger lol?

>>96137805
It's meaningless fluff.
Call back when something actually comes of it.

>>96137970
Anon, the Emperor doesn't have to justify anything. He's the fucking Emperor.

I do not care about wider canon and what a bunch of immortal characters are boringly doing, I care only about my autistically detailed homebrew sector. Other canon does not matter

>>96138019
and then when something does the new cope is that "well its canon now that its shoved in our face"

>>96137985
>>96137991
Then why couldn't it harm Drach'nyen? Checkmate

>>96138027
>Then why couldn't it harm Drach'nyen?
Chaos wank.

>>96138027
Drachnyen is the embodiment of the end of empires, its like a hard counter

>>96138025
i don't care about the story at all i care about painting models and playing games with my friends

>>96138006
>>96138019
Exactly, almost all these were nothingburguers besides a few ones like Gathering Storm.
Meanwhile BL stories and characters stay and become part of the game (like 2 new chapter masters last week taken from BL books)

>>96138014
>and blackreach wasn't a nothing burger lol?
Was, Eye of Terror wasn't.

Almost at the finish line for my collage entry for the month. Just gotta put the basing on tonight then try to tackle freehand tattoos and putting the finishing touches on the bases and models and we'll be there.

I'm definitely doing this again for the mole artillery team when I get my hands on them. I'm currently debating if I want to give one a big dumb Josuke pompadour just because it'd be funny.

>>96138042
>Meanwhile BL stories and characters stay and become part of the game (like 2 new chapter masters last week taken from BL books)
And none even remember their names, not like they matters.

>>96138043
3rd ed Eye of Terror was almost totally retconned for 7th and Gathering Storm

>>96138055
Right and how exactly fact of the retcon matters?

>>96138054
You're going to see these BL minis in games for at least the next decade, lol

MY WORD BEARER

>>96138062
>implying I am playing clusterfuck of 40k ruleset
Miss me with that shit

>>96138063
Good job on the highlights and runes on his armor.

>>96138055
>>96138043
Eye of terror was supposed to resolve they even teased it in white dwarf and then never elaborated, by the time 4th is rolling through they're doing medusa V and vaguely alluding to eye of terror being concluded while still reprinting the rules for it.

4th comes to a close and GW announces they're redo-ing the last couple hundred years in the timeline and codifying it as the time of ending.

>>96137471 (OP)
>tq
I wanted to add two characters to my battle sister squads and larp them as very elite. I just don't know if lethal hits and a hospitaler is worth doubling their cost.

>>96138042
>Meanwhile BL stories and characters stay and become part of the game (like 2 new chapter masters
No one cares about Volcano Handstand, Ethan Shank, Sugon Deez or Canuck Vore. They come from nothing burger chapters who only reason to exist is to give the illusion that there are more than 5 marine chapters in existance (UM, DA, BA, SW and BT)

>>96138062
People have said this for years. Nothing ever happens.

>>96138092
People do though. The heresy is driven by the novels, the infinite, and the divine sold gang busters and caused an active outrage when Trazyn didn't get a new model but Orikan did.

"Novels don't matter" is and always has been cope

>>96138107
>The heresy is driven by the novels,
Novels about primarchs, not about noname chapter masters.
>the infinite, and the divine sold gang busters and caused an active outrage when Trazyn didn't get a new model but Orikan did.
And nothing came out of this series.

>>96138070
>i don't read
>i don't play
so you're a tourist whining about stuff you don't know, got it
>>96138092
least delusional anti-SM fag. As if GW would keep chapter minis and upgrades out of charity or something.
Not to mention SM transfers include decals for successor chapters nowadays
>>96138101
Except in 2017, lol

>>96138116
You mean besides characters like Garro and Loken?

>And nothing came out of this series.
Oh you didn't read it, shame its a pretty good book

>>96138107
>People do though. The heresy is driven by the novels
Which center around the primarchs and the emperor. People only wank over heresy due to the primarchs.
>infinite and bored
Wow, a necron pulp book which centered around 2 major faction characters going on a wacky adventures, and only exists for flavor text.
I am so convinced. (I am not)

>>96138116
>Novels about primarchs
wrong, and even most HH novels are about other characters besides primarchs. You don't know it because you only parrot memelore
>And nothing came out of this series.
lol, sure. Again showing your ignorance.

>>96138126
>As if GW would keep chapter minis and upgrades out of charity
We only got minis which are low effort retools or pre-existing models. And the upgrade sets are just low effort shit.
Again, they only exist to give an illusion of that more than 5 chapters exists.

>>96138142
>heresy
>center around the primarchs and the emperor
I love these takes because they reliably mark the poster as a no-books idiot just parroting memelore.

>>96138159
>I love these takes because they reliably mark the poster as a no-books idiot just parroting memelore.

Its proving the summary anon right, you should keep secrets from the novels you read

>>96138157
man, your envy and cope it's so obvious, lol

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96138126
>so you're a tourist whining about stuff you don't know, got it
Yep and GW tries to cater to my tastes. This is why they made Primaris Marines closer to sci-fi video games, this is why they made The Old World

>>96138129
>You mean besides characters like Garro and Loken?
LMAO
Loken most important appearance in HH was illusion casted by Emperor durring duel with Horus

>>96138146
>wrong
>book series about conflict between primarchs and Emperor
Okay

>>96138129
>Garro and Loken
two best marine characters in HH novels

>>96138171
Indeed. But at times, somebody has to set the record straight against the memelore shitposters

>>96138181
>Loken most important appearance in HH was illusion casted by Emperor durring duel with Horus

You haven't read Horus rising or false gods

>>96137835
you apply scored wounds one by one, but each scored wound deals the damage characteristic # of wounds to the target (which is why using "wounds" for "HP" is annoying)

>>96138173
>man, your envy and cope
>posting an image of books came out in 8th edition and have never gotten remade since then
You sure convinced me.
>>96138159
>uhm ackchually the heresy doesn't
It does center around the primarchs and the emperor, the whole conflict stems from the fact that the primarchs don't like emperor's ideals and decide to betray him.

>>96138197
>You haven't read Horus rising or false gods
Sowwy I've couldn't bear such amount of daddy issues of roided lobotomites.

>>96138211
you don't even know the arc Loken goes on if you're saying that about Horus Rising

What generic space marine units are worth taking in Space Wolves now?

>>96138201
>It does center around the primarchs and the emperor, the whole conflict stems from the fact that the primarchs don't like emperor's ideals and decide to betray him.
that's the starting point, but not what most of the books are about. You don't know it because you haven't read them.
Primarchs barely appear and most of the stories are told from the PoV of space marines or humans.
in fact, the number one complaint about the series among the actual readers is Horus being absent from it, besides a couple books.

>>96138217
>you don't even know the arc Loken
Akshually, I don't remember it.
But it was pretty much the same "oh no daddy went full retard and doesn't like me anymore"

>>96137731
There are only 3 ironkyn pictured in your image. The rest are drone intelligences, like the CORVID drone on the left and right. They're not considered kin, they're purpose built for a particular job and have at most the intelligence of trainable animals. The surest way to tell the difference is looking at the heads - the non-kin bots have a much narrower and pointed dome, and they never have the vox grill on their collar. Ironkyn don't actually swap bodies around willy nilly, they don't do well when it's tried so they typically stay in whatever shell they were originally installed in until returned to the Votann and regenerated like the flesh and blood kin's souls are. And it'd be fucked it an Ironkyn's entire life was being hard-pointed into a gunner or driver seat, so you'll notice all such individuals on the models are these non-sentient drones and not real Ironkyn.

OK I'm like 80% settled on painting my Sisters as Our Martyred Lady.
It seems a bit unnecessary to do my own Order when the existing Orders already have so much space for /yourgals/ plus I'll have access to the icons and transfers
In terms of lore I like Bloody Rose a bit better, but I do prefer the more nuncore aesthetic of OML. I may regret this if they ever do a model of BR's main Saint, which is like a cross between the Emperor's Champion and a Berzerker. That character sounds extremely cool. But I know to never make decisions based on what models GW might do at some point in the future

So I'm thinking that OML is the ticket

>>96138191
>somebody has to set the record straight against the memelore shitposters
What perpetuated fake lore is still being said to be true by memelore shitposters and tourists?

>>96138225
>Primarchs barely appear and most of the stories
>Primarchs are literally key figures in the whole story
Let me guess you think First Heretic isn't about Lorgar just because story told from Argel Tal POV?

>>96137665
coteaz and new sanguinary guard are especially terrible. i'm quite jelly of ToW and AoS right now

Orks bros, have any of you used a lifta wagon in the past? I managed to get a battlewagon second hand for cheap but a few parts are missing and was thinking of getting the massive gun to turn it into a lifta wagon. The stats seem fairly ordinary but I expect that for a legends datasheet

Do they really sacrifice 1k psykers every day to keep the golden throne going?
How does the imperium still have psykers?

>>96138251
I was thinking about it the other day
havent used it but on paper it could be pretty fun it you roll hot for a turn

>>96138255
anon, the scale of the imperium is truly massive. also the numbers are all made up and handwaved

>>96138255
A thousand people die in car crashes in the US every day, the US still has cars

>>96138255
Imperium is yuge and psykers not as rare as you'd think

>>96138301
Can you make this analogy about food so I can understand it?

>>96138301
google says 100 why did you lie to me
Still 4000 worldwide which is wild to think about.

>>96138232
Yvraine being Guillman's gf
Abbadon being a failure, instead of a supreme tardwrangler
Trazyn and the infinite being only about wacky adventures (they miss the sobering parts, or the other grimdark nuCron novels)
The Golden Throne keeps alive the Emperor

These are the easy ones
>>96138234
Novels can have more than one protagonist, and Argel Tal being one along Lorgar proves my point, thanks for playing

>>96138309
1 thousands of amerimutts dies from heart attack. Yet fast-food still exists.

>>96138309
More than a thousand burgers are made every day but we still have cows

>>96138324
mmm one thousand burger..

>>96138255
The Imperium's population is between 4 and 20 QUADRILLION humans.
Chances of being a Psyker are about one in a million. That means there are at least 4 billion psykers wandering around the Imperium, but most likely a lot more than that.
Even if no more psykers ever appear, that's enough to keep the Emperor running for at least 4 million years.

>>96138318
>Yvraine being Guillman's gf
It's only memelore because it's simplification of Yvraine's obsession with Bobby and XIII's cock.
>Abbadon being a failure, instead of a supreme tardwrangler
LMAO WHAT A FUCKING NEWFAG
Abbadon WAS a failure untill 6th edition CSM codex retconed it in the most shameless manner "actually Abbadon's failures were secret victories"
I will give you Trazyn point simply because Infinite and Divided had grea writting, but it doesn't make it more relelvant, unlike trash like Dark Imperium
>Novels can have more than one protagonist,
And here comes the mental gymnastics.
Here is the thing, First Heretic (and the whole HH series) is about primarchs, it's about Lorgar fall from grace, not about Argel Tal gay romance with Kharn (yeah I know it's from Betrayer but you've got the point).

>>96138232
Chaos is strictly a galactic phenomenon
The verse was always static at 999.m41
Marines are all gothic asthetic
Ork Beleif

>>96138362
>Abbadon WAS a failure untill 6th edition CSM codex retconed it in the most shameless manner "actually Abbadon's failures were secret victories"
Liber chaotica 4th and his 2e codex entry both had abaddon winning the first 11, the 12th is battle fleet gothic

>>96138362
>Abbadon WAS a failure untill 6th edition CSM codex retconed it in the most shameless manner "actually Abbadon's failures were secret victories"
anon, 6th edition was 25 years ago. The first 12 Black Crusades being successes has been lore for a long time now

>>96138362
>Abbadon WAS a failure untill 6th edition
Way to go on proving anon right. Your contribution is appreciated.

This should be Abaddon's replacement.

How did Gravier write the Life of Defay if Defay killed him? This is such bullshit, they clearly only did this because the story was running too long and they needed a quick twist ending.

>>96138379
>anon, 6th edition was 25 years ago.
Nope

Destinyfags won

>>96138378
Go on then, post the pages from each.

>>96138318
>Abbadon being a failure, instead of a supreme tardwrangler
>ADB Abbadon
>Black Legion subdued all other traitor legions and primarchs
>6-7th editions Abbadon
>none of the primarchs joined his assault on Cadia
>had to ask Ahriman and Prodigal Sons to boost BL sorcerers

>>96138402
Two separate events. The novel talks about Abaddon being the traitor Primarchs in the Legion Wars.

Abaddon getting the Primarchs to join the 13th Black Crusade happens later, obviously. Various novels and codexes talk about traitor Primarchs aiding Abaddon in the 13th Black Crusade.

Magnus refuses Abaddon is implied to have been a ruse. The Siege of Fenris was revealed to have had Black Legion support and is not shown as part of the Black Legion timeline

>>96138362
lol
Who won the 3rd ed Eye of Terror campaign originally?

>>96138369
>Chaos is strictly a galactic phenomenon
see, this is correct, and saying the opposite is memelore in 40k
>muh WD capture!
irrelevant like the delusions of daemons and eldar farseers smoking weed.

Facts:
1.the Inmaterium was calm before the War on Heaven
2.The inmaterium becomes calmer the farthest you go outside the galaxy
3. The many worlds and realms whitin the Warp, including TOW or AoS, are just that, pocket dimensions outside of the cold reality of the Milky Way
4.The Chaos gods became self sustaining and no longer need sentient beings to exist, but they still can't breach reality without mortal worshippers. And they can also be affected by realspace beings turning the tables on them, like Big E
5.The lack of time in the Warp makes daemons timeless, but they still have a beginning in realspace time.

>>96138395
NTA. 2nd edition Abaddon lore.

>>96138402
>ADB Abbadon
See, this is another memelore shitposter tell
The Black legion's books are narrated by a delusional Tzeench sorcerer being interrogated by the inquisition, lol. ADB makes it very clear that he's unreliable yet haters parrot what the character says as gospel

>>96137719
Congrats anon. It's good to have more xenos players.

>>96138386
yup

>>96138428
>see, this is correct, and saying the opposite is memelore in 40k
What are you talking about? Daemons have invaded stuff outside the galaxy.
And Eldrad said that leaving the galaxy is pointless since the reach of the Chaos Gods is infinite.

>>96138425
>Abaddon getting the Primarchs to join the 13th Black Crusade happens later, obviously. Various novels and codexes talk about traitor Primarchs aiding Abaddon in the 13th Black Crusade.
By not showing up on Cadia.
>The Siege of Fenris was revealed to have had Black Legion
Nope it's been Alpha Legion warband who joined Thousand Sons.

>>96138447
>Daemons have invaded stuff outside the galaxy.
source?
> Eldrad said
lol, lmao

>>96138441
Not everything he says is a lie.
Khayon said that Abaddon fought Mort.
Mort confirmed that Abaddon fought him in Lords of Silence

>>96138445
Nope

>>96138428
>see, this is correct, and saying the opposite is memelore in 40k
here you go this is from 1e, I await your cope

>>96138463
yup

>>96138441
So novels are irrelevant to the sourcebooks lore

>>96138453
>Nope it's been Alpha Legion warband who joined Thousand Sons.
Guess who ordered them to be there. Did you even read the book?
>By not showing up on Cadia.
It's extremely hard fort them to manifest but they pledged their legions to his banner. When the Pylons were destroyed the traitor Primarchs supported the 13th Black Crusade. Angron was present in Arks of Omen by orders of Abaddon.

>>96138433
Doesn't say all twelve Black Crusades were victories

>>96138455
>source?
Rise of the Ynnari: Ghost Halls
A craftworld outside the galaxy was attacked by daemons.
>lol, lmao
?

>>96138479
so wheres the lore saying they were failures

>>96138479
>ABADDON VICTORIOUS
Que? The paragraphs were about his victories.

Tell me three things about 40k, all of which are true and terrifying to know.

>>96138497
Orks don't have penus weenus

>>96138477
>Guess who ordered them to be there. Did you even read the book?
I did and you are keep moving goalpost
>UM participation in the battle Fenris doesn't count for their presense
>But BL certainly does despite not participating in battle for Fenris at all
>It's extremely hard fort them to manifest but they pledged their legions to his banner.
EXCEPT THE DID NOT.
None of the Traitor Legions except of Black Legion showed up on Cadia in fulll might. Only separate warbands like Prodigal Sons or Cohors Nasicae

>>96138318
>Yvraine being Guillman's gf
This isn't even meme lore, it's just a joke.
>Abbadon being a failure, instead of a supreme tardwrangler
Abaddon is a failure. They only retconned that because GW realized that nobody took him seriously.
Another retcon is the Great Rift, it was pure happen stance but GW then retconned it into being his plan "all along"
>Trazyn and the infinite being only about wacky adventures (they miss the sobering parts, or the other grimdark nuCron novels)
Trazyn is about wacky adventures majorly. Trying to pretend otherwise is funny.
>The Golden Throne keeps alive the Emperor
Yes and no.
The throne functions as to keep the webway portal on Terra closed and prevent daemons coming through.
But the golden throne is also the conduit to keep him alive with the psyker sacrifices as they connected to the throne as well to feed Emperor power.

>>96138497
Even when some Eldar may respect some humans, they still find them disgusting on a physical level and would never have sex with onte.
Tau females are fucked up looking
Sisters of Battle are genuinely chaste and don't even have sex with each other

>>96138495
>Que? The paragraphs were about his victories.
It's actually about one his victory over Blood Angels.

>>96138512
>Abaddon is a failure. They only retconned that because GW realized that nobody took him seriously.

so post the statement that says the first 11 were all failures

>>96138515
>Even when some Eldar may respect some humans, they still find them disgusting on a physical level and would never have sex with onte.

>>96138486
>A craftworld outside the galaxy was attacked by daemons.
False, their souls just began to wither since they idn't develop infinity circuit and path system, since craftworld left Milky Way too soon.
>?
Eldar are failures, they are always wrong.

>>96138515
Are they all actually chaste? I thought there were some romances with them.

>>96138535
>False, their souls just began to wither since they idn't develop infinity circuit and path system, since craftworld left Milky Way too soon

NTA but there are still two statements about how if the eldar left slaanesh would still be an issue

>>96138441
>See, this is another memelore shitposter tell
>The Black legion's books are narrated by a delusional Tzeench sorcerer being interrogated by the inquisition
Ok, so BL novels are useless nothing burgers and irrelevant to the canon.

>>96138511
>I did and you are keep moving goalpost
Are you illiterate? I said Black Legion support. Abaddon got the Alpha Legion to help the Thousand Sons.
>EXCEPT THE DID NOT.
Except they did. The Lords of Silence says so.

>>96138512
>Abaddon is a failure
Citation needed.
I got a collection of the old books with me. GIEF sources

>>96138469
>throaway line
>"a million universes"
i accept your concession
>>96138486
You mean Rise of the Ynnari - Ghost Warrior? because that's just unreliable farseer bs that goes against many other sources. They're delusional and unreliable.
The last Gav Thorpe's books have not been referenced in any other source for a reason

>>96138527
Fuck off secondary

>>96138527
Guilliman visits a Craftsworld
https://files.catbox.moe/6i2mka.jpg

>>96138535
>False, their souls just began to wither since they idn't develop infinity circuit and path system, since craftworld left Milky Way too soon.
No. The novel said that they were attacked and that's why they sealed their Webway Gates.

Why people are arguing if they haven't read the books?

>>96138546
>The Lords of Silence says so.
And Gathering Storm and CSM Codex says otherwise.
Guess which one came first,

>>96138232
Little sisters of purification and women in power armor being “proof” of female space marines. I think it is trolling at this point.

>>96138547
>throaway line

Notice how I have provided something and theres not a single quote ever saying chaos is ONLY galactic

>>96138547
>ou mean Rise of the Ynnari - Ghost Warrior? because that's just unreliable farseer bs that goes against many other sources. They're delusional and unreliable.
Yes and it wasn't a farseer. Stop making stuff up. The craftworld was damaged by daemonic invasion.

>>96138536
they do some classic yuri yearning but no, they never even get their fingers wet

>>96138554
>Why people are arguing if they haven't read the books?
Because none gives a shit about most of the BL writting. Grow up

>>96138569
Surte but we all do care about the lore and its only when someone is proven wrong by a novel does the canon debate come up

>>96138557
They don't.
In fact, the Crimson Slaughter codex says that the Daemon Primarchs were waiting the Warp for Abaddon's say so prior to the 13th Black Crusade.

>>96138469
NTA but nobody is disputing that the Warp is connected across different alternate universes. But each of them have a galaxy which has the sentient, Warp-sensitive species to turn the immaterium from a calm sea into a turmoil of emotions with which daemonic entities are manifested and sustained. Your Warp Missile misfire means the thing probably appeared somewhere in whatever galaxy and reality where they play Amorical Football (Blood Bowl).

>>96138551
Fuck off tertiary

Any ideas for a Space Wolf color scheme that isn't the blue-ish Grey and Yellow?

>>96138573
>but we all do care about the lore
I don't because it's badly written trash that has no bearing on anything and GW ignored it on a whim.

>>96138512
The fall of cadia, the great rift, and Abbadon wiinning all appeared or were hinted at in the 3rd ed. Eye of Terror campaign.

Abby being armless and a failure is retarded 1d4chan memelore parroted by lorelets like you that confuse funny memes with real sources.

>>96138589
>The fall of cadia, the great rift, and Abbadon wiinning all appeared or were hinted at in the 3rd ed.
They weren't

>>96138576
>"The Avatar feasted on the slaughter it had caused, sensing the oceans of blood yet to be shed through the gateway its sword, bloated with death, had torn in the world. Galaxies of billions upon billions of souls awaited harvest and feeding to the Blood God. There were realms where the time it had wasted here was but the blink of an eye, where there were slaughters that would perhaps one day assuage Khorne's hunger." -Storm of Iron

>"‘Yes. The only way our species is to survive is through the support of humanity. Our fates are inextricable. If they fall, so shall we.’You chase ever-diminishing possibilities of salvation. We should depart this starwheel and begin anew elsewhere.‘Even were that possible, and we are not assured that it is, then what? The Primordial Annihilator knows no limits. Time and space mean nothing in the Othersea. If we travel to another starwheel, we will take our daemons with us. She Who Thirsts will be waiting wherever we go. " - The Beheading

Theres also statements about how tzeentch hears the dreams of all sentient beings in the universe, or how nurgle has universes decaying in his garden

>>96138536
In one of the Ciaphas Cain books it's pointed out that the SoB aren't required to take vows of celibacy, but in practice it's rare for them to find any opportunities to get laid, so in effect it makes little difference. But I'd presume this point varies between the various orders, preceptories and commanderies.

>Emperor's Children fighting the BT Emperor's Champion
>>‘His Champion you may have been,’ Tamaris of the Blades whispered in his ear. ‘But we were His children.’


PURE KINO
BEST WORDSMITHING I HAVE EVER READ

>>96138261
I might give it a try regardless, I can get the gun from some sites that isn't a recaster at least. Trying to think how I'd use it, maybe getting a mek to give it +1 hit each turn but running a detachment where I'd get some sort of benefit from that mek for other uses (join a squad in dread mob for the random buff, use it in taktikal to give out orders, etc)

>>96138589
>Abby being armless and a failure is retarded 1d4chan memelore
>bro trust me
>he was totally always super bad ass and was always this master schemer who can outsmart the chaos gods
>just ignore that Imperium always pushed him and his dumbshit crusades, which were meant to conquer the imperium and terra, back into the Eye of Terror pre-6th edition
It's funny to see newfags pretending that GW adding all the "all these crusades had a hidden objective all along" isn't GW retconning Abaddon into not being a complete loser.

Someone post the pocket sand vs Mortarion meme

>>96138614
Christ

>>96138585
Storm grey, like their 30k scheme.
The yellow is just Ragnar's company. Pick another one, the new SW decal sheet has more icons

>>96138428
>2.The inmaterium becomes calmer the farthest you go outside the galaxy
What's the deal with other galaxies, anyways?
We know there is (or was) life there because of the Tyranids, right? Do the other galaxies not have a warp, or not have Chaos? Does no faction give a shit about leaving the galaxy?

>>96138614
This is the pulp I mean.
It's pure non-sensical filler.

>>96137572
If they made Primaris Devastators, then who would buy the Nerf marines?

Beside Knights, what would be army that could field small number of models and still be viable and not seen as to much skewed list? Nid'zilla lists for Tyranids? Battlesuits in T'au?

>>96138628
His crusades were never about holding ground, though. It was about weakening the Imperium.
The 2nd edition lore says that the worlds Abaddon destroyed cannot be rebuilt. They were permanent wounds that sapped at the Imperium's strength and hastened its collapse.
Abaddon was winning the long war back then.

>>96138633
The Necron 10th codex says that the Silent King conquered and create a wonderous realm for the Necrons outside the galaxy.

Also in the Mephiston second novel, the Necrons found a weapon from a race from another galaxy desgined to counter the Warp.

>>96138595
>>96138628
The only newfags here is memelords like you pretending that the 2003 Eye of Terror campaign didn't exist, or that it wasn't based in a BL book.

The Fall of Cadia and Abby winning wasn't a retcon, it was a retcon of the retcon when Chaos won EoT in 2003.

>>96138629
POCKET SAND!!!!

The Primarch who grew up in a toxic foggy shithole gets defeated by some dirt in his eyes

>>96138599
The first one is writing extremely prosaically and should be taken with a grain of salt. The author is trying to evoke the way in which daemons reckon time and space relative to their home dimension, and furthermore it doesn't directly contradict what I've said. It doesn't say galaxies in THIS specific universe.

The second one proves nothing, and actually enforces the idea that the Warp and Chaos Gods can't be anywhere where there isn't sentient warp-sensitive species to perpetuate it. They literally say, they will take their daemons with them, because they understand the phenomenon is perpetuated by the Eldar and others like them.

>>96138660
>>96138629
That's an illusion by the Emperor, not the actual Morty! The lion was being tested.

>>96138659
looks dope af

>>96138659
kek
>>96138660
Hey, as long as it works

>>96138632
Yeah that looks rad, thanks for the heads up anon

>>96138660
>foggy
exactly, not sandy

>>96138671
>>96138659
I love you dr zaius

>>96138497
Drukhari are the most egalitarian society and most open to immigrants of all the factions in the galaxy.
Some Necrons are female. Their models are still flat.
If you spread STDs, you can gain blessings of both Nurgle and Slaanesh.

>>96138567
Give
>>96138548
>>96138583
Fuck ON Destinyfag

>>96138614
>book has Fulgrim in the title and cover
>it's 99% from the perspective of some random Emperor's Children gook and the Black Templars

This is almost as bad as the Angron novel.

>>96138515
>>96138536
Anyone have that picture where Cain Last Stand has a footnote saying SoB don't really have a vow of celibacy but few ever take advantage of that?

>>96138614
Mogged by xenos I am afraid.

>>96138693
GW/BL said that they are making it a policy not to get into the minds of Daemon Primarchs since they are no longer persons. They are just aspects of the Chaos Gods now.
I think the afterword or introduction of this book said pretty much the same.

>>96138255
Anon, the population of Terra by itself, by my calculations using the Kowloon Walled City as a basis for pop density, is between 13 and 44 QUADRILLION people. The Imperium is a million worlds, many of which are hive worlds with populations in the hundreds of billions at a minimum. They will never run out of psykers.
>>96138338
It's probably in the quintillions galaxy wide.

>>96138633
Autist anon has a pretty good write up on nearly every mention of other galaxies
https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dante_on_Discord/Warhammer_Cosmology_blog

>>96138575
>They don't.
Except they did
>In fact, the Crimson Slaughter codex
So 8th edition

>>96138718
As you said, he is autistic. You can't trust autistic people. They take things literal too much.

>>96137683
Am I the only one who found the kill team as a miss?

>>96138658
Fuck off Aaron

>>96138723
Nope. The novels and codexes mention the Black Legion being followed by combined traitor legions.
>So 8th edition
wat

So can Space Marines be concussed or not?

>>96137667
I used the Ironjawz Warchanter and like it a lot more than the official model.

>>96138733
>Nope. The novels and codexes mention the Black Legion being followed by combined traitor legions.
6-7th editions codexes and other sourcebooks never mentioned Daemon Primarchs pledging their support and their legions to Abbadon. Magnus openly told Abbadon to fuck off and so only Prodigal Sons and Ahriman helped him

>>96138734
The Silent King novel says that it's not unheard of for marines to pass out during a combat drop.

So..yes?

>>96138727
No, I hate that it invalidates all the previous DW vets minis

>>96138179
Dark eldar more like fart smelldar lmaooo

>>96138748
>Magnus openly told Abbadon to fuck off and so only Prodigal Sons and Ahriman helped him
Then explain why the Alpha Legion were there under orders by Abaddon
And why the Siege of Fenris is mentioned in the timeline of the Black Legion

>>96138362
>>96138433
>>96138546
look kids look
a genuine set of posts from the delusional mind of our very own /u/shaskais

>>96138734
They have an organ specifically for putting their body into protective stasis when they are so... probably?

>>96138765
>Then explain why the Alpha Legion were there
Because warband was working for Tzeentch DP.

>>96138768
>protective stasis
That sounds like a coma
going into a coma for every concussion does not sound like a benefit.

>>96138767
/u/shaskais is 1) usually more "collected", at least at the start of the shitflinging
2) uses "reddit" spacing
This poster isn't posting from a smarmy high horse standpoint, but time (evening euro, weekend) checks out.

>>96138748
>6-7th editions codexes and other sourcebooks never mentioned Daemon Primarchs pledging their support and their legions to Abbadon.
Wait a second. The Black Legion codex came out in 6th ED and was released in 7th ED. The 8th ED codex did an abridged version of the supp lore.

>>96138767
>/u/shaskais
Who is that?

>>96138658
All this image says that the pylons have existed long ago and quiet the Warp, which make perfect sense since Cadia is quite literally on the Eye of Terror's doorstep.
It says nothing about how GW totally set up the Great Rift to happen.

>>96138705
arks of omen angron has a whole section from angrons POV

10e tsons has magnus debating himself

>>96138809
>Black Legion codex
>codex

>>96138718
>this shit again
>just another autistic schizo just drawing redlines between random shit that the writers made up as they went, thinking means anything

>>96138815
Most likely you are arguing with ADB.

>>96138827
Codex supplement, idiot.

>>96138840
>Codex supplement, idiot.
Now better.
And it says nothing about primarchs pledging their loyalty to Black Legion

>>96138788
Citation needed.

>>96138847
>Alongside the Daemon Prince Tzen'char Skayle was one of the principle architects of the Daemonic incursions that culminated in the Siege of the Fenris System in 999.M41.
>War Zone Fenris: Curse of the Wulfen — Skayle's Daggerfangs

>>96138836
as opposed to what, how are we supposed to read warhammer?

>>96138859
....that doesn't say what you are claiming.

>>96137667
Just about anything really, the most common one is the aos ork in a robe with the big plume coming out of his staff

>Abaddon, a big Shot?
>more like a big Shit

>>96138740
I haven't seen these orks before, another blue ork bro

>>96138839
Wouldn't surprise me, that faggot is insistent on his dogshit lore about making Abaddon some dumbshit anti-hero

>>96138811
the destinyfag

>>96138888
its either him or kais

>>96138846
Yes, it does.
Fulgrim pledged the Emperor's Sons
Pert the Iron Warriors.
All of them save the Magnus part of the Thousand Sons pledged their support for the 13th Black Crusade.

>>96138871
You're not supposed to "read" warhammer you dunce, you're supposed to paint miniatures and play tabletop. The fact that you dumbasses have been arguing about lore for 200 posts just proves this thread is perpetually infested with nomodels and nogames

>>96138879
>More goalpost moving

>>96138888
>>96138839
You guys are deluded about the lore and deluded about your bogeyman.
Lore for lore you guys are wrong which why you never give a single citation.

>refresh the thread
>its still all loreposting

>>96138899
Anon there are better games with better models, lore is an important part of warhammer

>>96138897
>Emperor's Sons
Top kek
>All of them save the Magnus part of the Thousand Sons pledged their support for the 13th Black Crusade.
Post a direct quote fuckwit

>>96138905
What goalpost. It doesn't say the Alpha Legion were serving that daemon prince.
While the text does say that the Alpha Legion was there on Abaddon's orders.

>>96138913
>It doesn't say the Alpha Legion were serving that daemon prince.
It also doesn't says Alpha Legion was sent by Armless Failure

>>96138906
>BL
>lore

>>96138917
>thing but Chaos!
World of Warcraft ahh brain, usually bad. It's "fine" for orks which are closer to Neutral but absolutely doesn't fit Crons or Nids (which are thankfully basically immune)
Cool art tho

>>96138911
Page 50-51
>Ancient hatreds were set aside as the Emperor's Children aligned themselves with the Black Legion. From

>Presented with an opportunity to subvert and destroy the Church of the GodEmperor, the Word Bearers turned a blind eye to their feud with the Emperor's Children and focused their hatred on the Imperium of Man and its corpse-god.

>>Eager to test their strength and ingenuity against the towering fortresses and formidable defences of Cadia, the Iron Warriors themselves also joined Abaddon's war effort.

>>but at last, Abaddon has managed to unite the dissenting and fractured Traitor Legions, assembling them around his Black Legion to create a force to rival any in the galaxy. Even the daemonic Primarchs, long lost to their dark dreams and the endless war between the gods, have stirred to lend their immortal strength to the Warmaster's cause.

I personally like the Dark Forest Imperium.

what is the dark forest imperium? Its taking the Imperiums millions worlds across the galaxy and superimposing it on the real life milky way. Even if the Imperium composes 5 million systems. It would only comprise of 0.002% of the current star systems in the galaxy.
But I like the idea of the Imperium maintaining this appearance of hegemony, but in reality there's things lurking out there. I liken it to the empire in the old world, where you have cities, but they're surrounded by dark forest filled with beastmen and goblins.

>>96138921
Yes, the book says so.
It features the Alpha Legion commander talking about Abaddon sending him there. Now what?

Another day of struggling to find second hand gsc models

>>96138939
so, cite it?

>>96138933
>Imperium but thing
That is Chaos's destiny. Chaos will become another Imperium.

Why no Pedro Kantor yet

>>96138063
Really cool

>>96138954
Which glup shitto is this

>>96138943
easy

>>96138890
The Games Workshop employee?

>>96138934
>>Ancient hatreds were set aside as the Emperor's Children aligned themselves with the Black Legion. From
>>Presented with an opportunity to subvert and destroy the Church of the GodEmperor, the Word Bearers turned a blind eye to their feud with the Emperor's Children and focused their hatred on the Imperium of Man and its corpse-god.
>>>Eager to test their strength and ingenuity against the towering fortresses and formidable defences of Cadia, the Iron Warriors themselves also joined Abaddon's war effort.
so nothing about lorgar, fulgrim and pert

>>96138987
???
Those were the final lines of each Primarch paragraph.
Did you fucking read the supplement? What's the fuck wrong with you?

>>96137663
Found the faggot

I did a little slave to shove on a drukhari bote

>>96138954
GW said in the last livestream that the decal sheet in the new IF box will include Crimson Fist decals, so don't lose hope

>>96137604
>Where do you draw the line for canon?
Gathering Storm.

>>96137604
If there's no rape, it's non-canon.

>>96139095
Nice and edgy, i like it, bet he's still alive too.

>>96139013
>Those were the final lines of each Primarch paragraph.
And this is why refused to post them?

>>96139129
Just about. Gotta have the raiders hopped up on pain.

>>96138497
The tau are less diverse than the imperium
The tau are more totalitarian than the imperium
Hammerheads can fuck up knights easily
>>96138232
There are very few reliable sources stating that humans in the tau empire love that much better than in the imperium
The ethereals' inhenrent mind control pheromones are far weakeer than the intellectual and cultural dominance they hold over the population
Tau woman are anime waifus
Tau woman are ugly

>>96139095
If GW sold a kit of nearly naked people and space marines impaled as terrian decoration would anyone buy it?

>>96138318
>Yvraine being Guillman's gf
Yvraine literally dropped the whole Ynnari quest for Bobby.
>supreme tardwrangler
>needs writter's help to explain his 10k years of failures
>needs writter's help to explain why Great Rift not reaching Terra was akshually another 5d chess

>>96139162
What is Yvraine even doing these days? Did she died on her way back to her home planet?

>>96139140
Refuse to post what?
A line like this?
>>Even the daemonic Primarchs, long lost to their dark dreams and the endless war between the gods, have stirred to lend their immortal strength to the Warmaster's cause.

>>96138497
To be taken as a captive of the dark eldar is worse than being a slave in a chaos warband
The Emperor has been dead for four thousand years, his death marked the cursed founding of space marines
The scale of the Imperium is so immense our human minds literally cannot comprehend it. Rare wargear and weapons like titans and knights are only rare in comparsion to tanks guns and men. There are immense unending amounts of them in reality. No one knows how big the imperium is, how many wars are being fought or how many people live in the imperium or how many die every day.

>>96139147
>The tau are more totalitarian than the imperium
The ultimate 40K guide says that the Imperium doesn't have personal freedoms.
Tau lore says that humans have more rights in the Tau Empire than they do in the Imperium.

>>96139162
>doubling down in retarded 1d4chan memelore
you worse than a redditor

>>96139178
>What is Yvraine even doing these days?
Literally nothing. Recent codex mentions Ynnari 3 times, but it's nearly identical to each paragraphs about how Ynnari becoming more radical.

>>96139206
Calm your ass Aaron

>>96138954
It's not Pedro 100%, but you could pretty easily convert this one.

>>96139102
>decals

Oh no you're about to summon him aren't you

>>96139221
Shut up, lorelet scum.

And you are wrong. The Lelith novel mentions that Yvraine isn't prepared to give on the Crone Swords yet. She trying to figure out a way to get it still.

>>96139195
>>>Even the daemonic Primarchs, long lost to their dark dreams and the endless war between the gods, have stirred to lend their immortal strength to the Warmaster's cause.
So nothing about them pledging their legions and kneeling to Chtonian manlet

>>96139197
>that warlord in the back

>>96139178
Getting primed to be retconned out of excistence or into something else next edition.

>>96139229
NTA
>lend their immortal strength to the Warmaster's cause
NTA but they're on short term pledges of loyalty at the very least

>>96139226
It feels like we didn't get his spergout in a while, maybe he's the one that was larping as slaanesh schizo and they rangebanned him or something

>>96139228
>And you are wrong.
Pg 19, 39, 53, 61, 64.
All repeat the same fluff how Ynnari lost most of the followers and now just trying to kill as much Eldar as they can in order to boost Ynnead
>The Lelith novel
Nuff said

>>96139197
>mfw

>>96139229
Except for the lines above saying that Traitor Legion, after Traitor Legion pledged themselves to Abaddon after their Primarch did.

Moreover, the Primarch section of the Black Legion supplement ends with this paragraph

>>Other mighty Daemon Princes sided with the Black Legion: Doombreed the Skull Lord, draped in a cloak made from a thousand Space Marine skulls; Glutgora Runnelsore, reborn in putrescent glory on a writhing bed of Nurglings; Be'lakor, the Dark Master, One Who Heralds the Conquerors - all could be seen amongst the throng of Abaddon's warhost.

The Daemon Primarchs are among the many daemon princes that joined Abaddon's warhost

>>96139111
>counting the shit campaigns before that as canon

>>96139262
You are exaggerating.

>>96139178
Currently? Nothing, she just exists.
But the codex does mention that she and the Ynnari have become more desperate and extreme due to the last Crone Sword being in Slaanesh' palace.

As a whole I'm very disappointed that GW has done nothing with the Ynnari. But at the same time it's kind of their own fault because they did everything in the most retarded way possible, which practically guaranteed that the Ynnari will fail.
>give the book series is then given to Gav "I fucking hate elves" Thorpe, writer who is the most hated by the eldar fans
>obviously he proceeds to write the most retarded dogshit imaginable and shits on all of the eldar factions as much as possible
>only release 3 HQ models for the entire "faction", tell eldar fans to soup the rest by combining 2 armies which are not at all aesthetically similiar
>give the "faction" the most horrendeusly overpowered rules which makes the playerbase hate Ynnari even more by association
>in 2019 release a new kill team of corsairs who have suspiciously similiar design to the Visarch, an Ynnari character
Like thanks...? I guess...

>>96139159
Only if you include cool wrecks. I'm talking Tau pilots impaled on battlesuit wreckage

>Wherever I touch a mini to move it on the battle field the paint disappears over time, despite it drying months, if not years ago
This is so frustrating. It looks ugly and I spent countless hours painting my army.

>>96139299
sure why the fuck not, every major race in 40k should have corpses and skull kits for decoration

>>96139310
Do you varnish?

>>96138497
>the first primaris marine ever made is a stitched-together homunculus covered in scars that lives in constant pain
>what we think of as the Fabricator General of Mars is actually just the part of his stadium-sized body used to communicate with the other high lords
>imperial recordkeeping since the heresy has degraded so much that there are multiple shadow wars within the inquisition over the true present date

>>96139315
Why would Kayvaan do such a thing to a fellow ass tart?

>>96139316
Varnish is for marinades

Should I kit my Dark Angels with all MK7 Helmets?

>>96139318
Don't forget that the first Primaris Marine used to be the strongest Ravenguard

>>96139318
>imperial recordkeeping since the heresy has degraded so much that there are multiple shadow wars within the inquisition over the true present date
Does this mean the Heresy didn't happen ten thousand years ago but is actually occured much much earlier and the Imperium has lost several thousand years of history? kind of like how are Gregorian calenders are like 2-3 years wrong and jesus would have have been born in 3BC or 3AD and not 0

>>96139316
I don't. But my store manager told me time and time again, it's not neccessary. I guess he wasn't right. I was genuinely only moving them ever so gently. And now I can see the black primer where once color was. The devious thing is, it creeps up on you. Fucking hell, man.

>>96139331
they tried to promote him again to do paperwork

>>96139331
kek

>>96139285
>The Ynnari, whose emergence sent a shock wave through Aeldari societies across the galaxy, have continued their determined quest to bring about Ynnead’s birth, regardless of the cost. | lowever, despite the strength of Yvraine’s conviction and apparent mastery over life and death, many of those who initially pledged themselves to the cause have become disillusioned with her Jack of progress. Some claim that she is willing to accelerate the doom of her entire species to bring about Ynnead's birth. Others are simply concerned that, in her zeal, she has become blind to galactic events and lacks the perspective required to achieve her goals. Amongst those to have drifted from her cause is Eldrad Ulthran, the once-exiled former High Farseer of Craftworld Ulthwé, who sees in his former ally an increasing desperation and willingness to sacrifice growing numbers of invaluable Aeldari lives in pursuit of her goal.
>She was the first of the Phoenix Lords to align herself with the Ynnari and often came to the aid of Yvraine and the Visarch. However, Yvraine’s attempts to fully awaken Ynnead have thus far met with frustration, causing the chosen of Ynnead to resort to ever more desperate methods to achieve her goals. The dogma of the Ynnari has become increasingly extreme, with Yvraine advocating the sacrifice of more and more Aeldari souls for little tangible gain.
>The ritual, interrupted by Deathwatch Space Marines, succeeded only in awakening a sliver of Ynnead’s consciousness, and setting in motion the events that saw Yvraine become the Whispering God’s high priestess. For a time, Eldrad allied himself to the Ynnari, only to become disillusioned by their nihilism
>However, despite their ceaseless efforts to bring about Ynnead’s apotheosis, the slumbering god has yet to be restored fully to life. In their frustration, Yvraine and her Reborn have continued to turn to more extreme methods to see the Whispering God awakened.

>>96139337
unlikely, its probably around 1000~ at most out of date.

>>96139197
>No one knows how big the imperium is, how many wars are being fought or how many people live in the imperium or how many die every day.
Man that is so silly to me, ain't no way people are making enough babies to sustain a 6 gorillion death toll every day.

>>96139288
>As a whole I'm very disappointed that GW has done nothing with the Ynnari.
But they did
>The Ynnari may be a fringe faction of extremists, but they have disproportionately influenced galactic events. It was their involvement that set the stage for Roboute Guilliman’s return

>>96139337
Guilliman (aka GW) said in the dawn of fire books that the current calendar is more or less correct after investigating the Ordo Chronos

>>96139337
Kind of, but more extreme
What I think GUILLOTINE anon is referencing is the Ordo Originatus, a subgroup within the Inquisition tasked with uncovering the truth of the Imperium and Inquisition, and it's constant internal war with the Ordo Redactus, a subgroup within the Inquisition tasked with covering up the truth of the Imperium and Inquisition.

>>96139353
The first part is just rumours.
The second part talks about extreme methods, but we don't know what that entails.

>>96139358
its very easy when planetary governments put aphrodisiacs and hormone fuckery in the water supply. we know they do this on Necromunda at the very least

>>96137604
If it's in a Codex it's canon. If it's only in some Black Library rag, it's fanon.

>>96139358
Anon you could kill 5 thousand indians a day and their population would still grow since its grows by around 5,300 people a day. That's one country not extrapolate that to the at least a million worlds of the imperium that could have trillions of people

>>96139358
Each Hive world has between 10-100b people in each hive, with 5-20 hives per planet. Let's asume 50b per hive and 12 hives per world for 600b people per hive world
there are 70,000 indians born each day. If every hive world has the fertility of India (rounding it up to 1.5b indians), then that means that there are roughly 28,000,000 children born PER DAY PER HIVE WORLD

One hive world, in a year, produces 10,220,000,000 (or roughly 10 billion) children.

One hive world out of millions

>>96139340
Your store manager is fucking retard.
Game pieces need varnish or paint will rub. Only like golden daemon level display pieces don't need it as the var ish can mess with the final effect of the paint a bit

>>96139358
You underestimate just how many people live in the Imperium. The Guard by itself is at a bare minimum hundreds of trillions strong with the overall civilian population likely being somewhere in the hundreds of quadrillions to quintillions. The Imperium is ~a million worlds, with many being hives with populations in the hundreds of billions at the low end. Even the average Imperial World likely has populations in the tens of billions. Terra, being a complete hive world with virtually every square mile of the surface occupied thanks to a lack of oceans, can be safely assumed to have a population of at least 14 quadrillion people if we assume an average pop density of at least twice the Kowloon Walled City.

>>96139368
>The first part is just rumours.
IT IS DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE FUCKING CODEX
>The second part talks about extreme methods, but we don't know what that entails.
picrelated

>>96139397
varnishes are useful even for display pieces as different paints can have different finishes and can look sloppy if you don't bring everything together at the end with a matt or satin layer.

if you're handling minis then a layer of gloss for protection with a layer of your preferred look over the top is best. when you see glossy spots start to appear on the model then you know to reapply your top layer.

>>96139360
And that'swhat is lame about it.
That's the only thing they've done and otherwise they are completely and utterly irrelevant and might as well no longer even exist. I wouldn't even be surprised if in 11th edition GW no longer even mentions them at all.
And it is a shame because I do like some of the lore they do have, like them utilizing soulstones as well but they specifically communicate with dead eldar within the soulstones to gain power, etc.
Also the models they did have are cool looking, like Yvraine and Visarch.
Also the corsair models which are never confirmed to be repurposed Ynnari models, but suspiciously look like them, also look very cool and I would have wanted GW to do more with that aesthetic.

>>96139394
>there are 70,000 indians born each day.

>>96139233
I am disappointed GW didn't end them with EC release.
At this point Eldar lore is simply borring they didn't even job anymore, just hanging in limbo.

>>96139394
>out of millions
there are only a million worlds in the imperium and most of them are not hives

>>96139462
Don't worry, most of them die they even see their 1st birthday as grim as it is.

>>96139457
>And it is a shame because I do like some of the lore they do have, like them utilizing soulstones as well but they specifically communicate with dead eldar within the soulstones to gain power, etc.
Find yourself a men to fuck your properly then
>Also the models they did have are cool looking, like Yvraine and Visarch.
Nope.

Wasn’t this place the last bastion for furry hate? What happened? Everywhere I browse I always see 40K furry art.

>>96139490
TODDLER CARRIERS!

>>96139457
>Also the corsair models which are never confirmed to be repurposed Ynnari models, but suspiciously look like them, also look very cool and I would have wanted GW to do more with that aesthetic
Be honest, Visarch and Yvraine is unreleased Yriel and Malys in 2015

>>96139490
BABY WANT RATTLE

So chaos knights are out, grey knights and the chuds are preorder next week.
What's left?
>Imperial knights
>Space marine pity characters
>Votann?

>>96139490
Brack Templars and Ghey Knights rejoice!

>visarch one of only two good looking eldar models
>probably the most cucked lore of any character in the setting
>never in stock anywhere

NIGGA HEIL ROGAL

>>96139457
Corsairs look like the visarch because his armour is old corsair armour

>>96139521
We've got Pity Characters + Votaan in September, Knights in November, and Deldar in Spring

>>96139521
IK, votann, marine chars, dark eldar whatever they're getting

>>96139490
That's too dumb, even for me.

>>96139530
So what, coming out is in August then?

>>96139521
Holy shit. It really is the end of the edition. Thank fuck for that. They will drag out those space marine releases over a few months. I just want to see what the end campaign is this time.

>>96139490
The thing I hate the most about this stupid model isn't even the engraved Diaper. It's not the rattle. No, the thing I don't get are the fucked up servoes bove the shoulder.
It feels like it can't choose between an exoskeleton and a mech.

>>96139541
Holy ESL

>>96139095
I like the detail of his ribs bursting outwards

>>96139540
>too dumb even for an anonymous poster
Truly it's ogryn.

>>96139524
>>probably the most cucked lore of any character in the setting
Eldrad says hi
And Yrel (since he is gay)
And all harlequins, especially Sylandril

>>96139515
>Be honest
No.

>>96139563
Yriel is gay?

>>96139202
Where did you get that from? Youtube?
The tau can't fuck without proper authorization fym they have personal freedoms? They can barely choose a career path

>>96139563
eldrad's entire thing isn't being a whimpering simp chasing after yvraine like a puppy

>>96139566
Yep, confirmed in Valedor novel.
What else from a male with female name

>>96139482
Standards have decayed significantly in real life thanks to rampant liberalism.
Furies used to be the weirdest thing you were liable to bump into, but now you have tranny movie stars and politicians. Degeneracy has become normalised.

>>96139572
hive worlds pump drugs into the air to keep everybody as un-horny as possible until it's time to tithe out more bodies for the guard

>>96139548
I wonder if it'll look better without the big giant shoulder servos

>>96139572
>The tau can't fuck without proper authorization fym they have personal freedoms? They can barely choose a career path
I said humans.
The Caste System doesn't apply to humans. Humans are free to serve the Greater Good in whatever way they wish. They can enlist to be Gue'Vesa'la or be whatever else.

>>96139482
No, you fell for surface level memes
This board was always full of threads about fucking gnolls and real kobolds and pathfinder beastfolk, ever since its inception

When highlighting, what is the better practice? Or is it something different than one of these?

>>96139563
>And Yrel (since he is gay)
Is Frodo from lotr gay too?

>>96139573
>eldrad's entire thing isn't being a whimpering simp chasing after yvraine like a puppy
Yeh Eldrad's entire thing is jobbing to a deathwatch officer.

>>96139593
whichever is easiest for you to pull off
I like doing a sloppier main highlight then going back with my base color to clean it up
then on sergeants+ I go in with second and third layer highlights on the main points of interest

>>96139272
I'm a Raven Guard enjoyer and I liked the War zone: Damocles anyway. Fight me.

>>96139602
Frodo wasn't sucking Sam

>>96139603
not as cucked as chasing after pussy he'll never get and having nothing else as a character motivation

>>96139611
They both equally doesn't have much of motivation since they both fucked up completely

>>96139610
Yriel too, yaoi slop fucked you brain too much

>>96139620
>Yriel too
But he literally did it.

>>96139611
>cucked as chasing after pussy he'll never get
He actially did that, before she leaves Biel tan
>9th ed
>The Visarch was once known as Laarian Starspeaker, a Dire Avengers Exarch of the Silvered Blade Shrine. It was he who taught Yvraine on Biel-Tan, when she · followed the Path of the Warrior, and the two formed an incredibly strong bond. He was greatly saddened when she left his shrine, and when he learned years later that Yvraine had been reduced to fighting in the arenas of Commorragh, his spirit broke. In a nigh-unprecedented decision amongst his kind, he left Biel-Tan to find her.
>10th ed picrel
Also, there's no other reason to repeat the same lines over and over again, but more intimately
>>96139628
In your logic, Yriel's sword sucked a swarmlord and some numbers of any creature in gaylaxy. Thats suck

>>96139566
Anon wishes he was.

>>96139662
>He actially did that,
>>The Visarch was once known as Laarian Starspeaker, a Dire Avengers Exarch of the Silvered Blade Shrine. It was he who taught Yvraine on Biel-Tan, when she · followed the Path of the Warrior, and the two formed an incredibly strong bond.
Nothing about him scoring.
Judgin by his passive-agressive behavor in the books he probably just masturbated furiously
>In your logic,
Man he drops on the knees and starts kissing his bf on Valedor's surface and want to die with him, untill other Eldar picks him up

>>96139490
Guys when will the GK refresh arrive ? I'm very tempter to get a terminator squad

>>96139521
>Votann
Go back to >>>/vg/531989294

>>96139490
>three detachments for BT
>five for GK
I’m surprised you can milk that many out of either of them but 3 is fucking unacceptable

>>96138971
You too go to >>>/vg/531989294 with your shitty bungay exec current at DnD.

>>96139703
??? I don't play them

>>96139719
don't reply to it

>>96139723
Oh so it's another schizo?

Destiny won

>>96139732
yep, he's been trying to force this meme ever since votann got revealed

>>96139699
never. no primaris. the sculpts are already perfect.

which faction has the drippiest models?

>>96139719
>>96139723
>>96139732
>>96139742
>>96139745
Go back to /v/ /v/otranny. Your hideous destinyshit doesn't belong in 40k.

>>96139490
so which 5 datasheets are we losing, GK bros?

my guess
>rhino
>razorback
>stormhawk
>stormraven
>stormtalon

>>96139770
Dark eldar

>>96139748
I wish they got slightly upscaled but I really like them yeah.

>>96139770
probably admech in terms of pure detail density

>>96139742
Votann doesn't fit the setting aesthetically so much it's almost comical.

Destiny won

>>96139784
Silence, zoomer

>>96139742
I can at least say the range expansion has made me want to print alternatives to the army. The models are shit but it’s good they have more options

>>96139770
Votann

>>96139784
It's dwarfs plus solarpunk.

>>96139770
Knights

>>96139604
I mean more of which reads better. I've been doing the top one but they never show very strongly in pictures. Unless maybe I need to layer them more.

>>96139773
>>96139784
I love when people talk about the 40k """"style""""" like it's any one thing. You have Egyptian stargate terminator ripoffs in one corner, Australian mad max squig ate my baby fantasy orks in another, you've got space elfs that look like power rangers, space elfs that look like power ranger bad guys, Geiger alien ripoffs, literal world War 1 and 2 tanks and infantry, great value off brand gundams, Baskin Robbins 21 flavors of space marines, Leonardo DaVinci ornothopers and mechanical horses.

>votann got cool robots before adnech
lol

>>96139742
Could use a bit of olay there bud

>>96139773
I will gladly pick the whole Votann range over all primaris tanks and Invader ATV

>>96139544
>Holy shit. It really is the end of the edition. Thank fuck for that.

I really, really, don't understand why you have an expectation of improvement from a new edition of 40k.

>but 10th is so bad it's impossible to get worse!

You naive child. You absolute sucker.

>>96139692
>strong bond
>close bond
Man, no one is going to write about sex right in the codex too openly, you're being hinted at as much as a British corporation can about it. This bastard literally leaves Biel-tan to fix and return his whore
>Man he drops on the knees and starts kissing his bf on Valedor's surface and want to die with him, untill other Eldar picks him up
He just killed his best friend for no reason, and there nothing about kisses in that blslop, yaoifag

>>96139773
Still inside your walls, no matter how many threads you're in. Still downloading Destiny, Gundam, and tomboy pictures onto your PC>

I actually like the votann stuff, but I paint so slowly I have a year's backlog right now and won't buy into a new army

>>96139791
I kneel to IronCHADS

>>96139742
Is tr strange that I imagine people playing video games on that screen?

>lgs is closing
>Next nearest is 30 minutes drive on a good day
Welp

>>96139903
Whats wrong with a 30 minutes drive?

I love Space Marines and their big, stupid, clunky armor and I’ll let everyone know

>>96139903
30 minutes is nothing anon

>>96139908
at 200 miles/hour?

Should i kitbash a company heroes or should i just grab an ancient, company champion and captain i like and kitbash them?
Context I don't play the TTG so it being good or bad isn't an issue. I just look at the company Heroes Ancient and think he looks like a pain to work with.

Are necrons the true good guys of the setting?

>>96139908
>>96139918
Yanks detected

>>96139855
>Man, no one is going to write about sex right in the codex too openly,
So he never scored is more correct than eldarfags assumptions.
>He just killed his best friend for no reason,
No reason to cosplay Titanic.
Also, pretty sure xhe called him lover in flashbacks

>>96139705
Isn't 3 normal? I think most of them have 3 + ones from the SM codex. Grey Knights only have access to detachments from their own codex.

>>96139770
admech and tsons

>>96139929
welcome to 4chan

How should I kit out my Assault Intercessors for Dark Angels?

>>96137604
If we want to get really absurd about canon Warhammer has chaos gods so it's part of the moorcock multiverse as well as the Judge Dredd multiverse, which has chaos in the form of Khaos. Furthermore the moorcock multiverse crossed over with Marvel's Conan comics and Conan is part of the Cthulhu mythos so Warhammer is linked to those as well. I believe Doctor Who also crossed over with moorcock as well as Dan Dare so you can add those in.

>tfw getting a box of neophytes today

Any tips for building / painting them? Im not used to painting small models, particularly ones that are detailed

>>96137604
I draw the line where it angers anon the most.

>>96140002
Subassemble guns off if they have guns held in 2 arms, otherwise the chest and arms and gun are a PITA to paint

How should I go on about painting my models as someone who never painted before? Should I use Contrast Paints? The normal Base/Layer/Highlight method? Speed painting method?

I assume my painting will shit so I would like to start with a relatively easy way so people don't shit on me too much irl or on the internet.

>>96139944
>So he never scored is more correct than eldarfags assumptions.
A British family-owned indie company can't afford to directly write “He roughly fucked her when he was the boss in army and she loved it” in a advertising book aimed at little Timmies and their moms. So innuendos and paraphrases are the best thing geedubs do when they are unable and unwilling to write another eldar blslop
>No reason to cosplay Titanic.
Don't write eldars dramatically challenge status: failed

>>96140030
Genuinely watch some of Duncan Rhode's basic youtube tutorials.
Personally I'd recommend traditional base/shade/highlight for your first models, before learning other techniques like contrast or drybrushing.

>>96140030
First of all you should learn not to give a shit about others opinions.
And second, you might want to tell us what minis you want to paint

>>96139855
>>96139944
>>96140036
ESL samefag

>>96139846
>Invader ATV

>>96140030
Contrast is the easiest entry, prime the minis white IMO

I don't like the brass shields

>>96140062
You don't have to paint them brass you know

>>96140066
really? what's the other option?

>>96140110
Freehanding an intriquate woven floral pattern.

>>96139490
Place your bets! Which of these two armies got the A Team rules with fluffy rules and strong datasheets? Which unfortunate loser got to be written by Robin Cruddace?

>>96140110
Anything you want, you can paint them tranny flag colours or with swatstikas if that's what you want, though you may get turned away from the lgs with the latter

>>96140059
Whose grandpa's attic is this

>>96140062
i dont like they copy space marines.

>>96140030
Start with base layer highlight.
Learn basic color theory.
Try to work within a limited palette.
Avoid desaturation by using colors other than black and white to adjust hue.

>>96139929
I'm euro, I have to drive 30 minutes, then 20 minutes of metro to get to my lgs, you're a city dweller to think a 30 minutes drive is a lot

>>96139903
That's still better than what I have, the closest one would be like a 1,5 hours drive
that's why I don't play and only paint minis

So if half of the imperium is able to exist perfectly fine without the Astronomican why would it going out be bad exactly?

How hard do you think it would be to make truescale Vanguard Veterans using Jump Pack Intercessor bodies with third party Claws/Thunder Hammers and veteran heads? It should work right?

>>96140246
Nihlus is an utter shithole with planets being raped by chaos marines n shiet

>>96140246
The Imperium Nihilus is not just fine. They're basically back in the Age of Strife at this point outside of a few Imperium bastions that have reconnected through passages across the rift.

>>96140246
The imperium nihilus has it's own mini astronomicon

>>96140252
How's this different from the other side?

>>96140132
man I can't even do eyeballs yet
>>96140137
I feel like just the fact that I'm plying Sisters in the first place should be enough to communicate that I'm some kind of queer, trans flag shields would just be gilding the lily

>>96140255
Had.
The Alpha legion stole it.

>>96140259
The Imperium exists as a cohesive faction in Sanctus with a crusade larger than a Great Crusade defending it.

>>96140259
Sanctus has a centralised defence, sort of, still, nihlus is mostly every system or sector for itself

>>96140262
So just steal it back.

>>96140059
They're so dusty...

Is Spartan much bigger than Land Raider Redeemer? Will anyone give me a look for using it as a Land Raider? I still have one from the Age of Darkness box and I would rather finally build it than spend 70 bucks on yet another plastic brick.

>>96140260
You can paint whatever part of the model any colour you'd like, there's no rules about how you paint aside form the -10vp for not meeting battle ready standard which is just basecoat and washes on everything

>>96140059
Those are actual military vehicles. The Invader ATV resembles a gokart than a combat car.
>Captcha: V2HAG

>>96140278
They're close enough that nobody should care

>>96140278
>>96140298
Forgot pic

>>96140249
not hard. I smashed vanguard vets & assault intercessor kits together and I think it turned out pretty well

>>96140274
Which side of the rift are the Blood Ravens even on?

>>96140291
After the ATV was previewed and I realized we'll never actually get 40Kart I knew GW was a truly hopless company

>>96140287
TOs will probably ban you for turning up with 1488 heil hitler painted on your shields however

>>96140303
They're adjacent to the tau empire, so sanctus

>>96140278
Spartans are bigger, but not much. You could also use their legends rules.
A better question is how you plan to turn it into a redeemer giving the very different loadout

>>96140291
The Warthog would have many problems as an official ground-up army vehicle and not a civilian vehicle repurposed for military. I'd rather be in a Humvee than a car designed to have open weak points for competitive balance in an FPS.

>>96140002
If you can bother to go to the trouble of investing in a pin vise (little hand turned drill), I'd recommend it. Cut up straight bits of paperclips, then drill holes in the bottom of the heads and use PVA glue to stick the heads on the ends of the paperclip bits. You can keep them separate and easily painted, as the collars on the suits for neophytes can get in the way. Pic indirectly related, I'm using neophyte heads for a kitbash with delaque gangers who also have annoying collars preventing easy access to the heads if they're already glued in place.

Generally a good practice for infantry models regardless of faction, IMO.

>>96140246
Is it astronomicAn or astronomicOn? I keep seeing different sources say it differently

>>96137557
RIP Librarian dreadnought.

>>96140340
High gothic= An
Low gothic= On

>>96140278
sell it as HH3.0 is dead and get the best looking 40k tank there is. the 40k land raider

>>96140349
Blubangels anon my beloved

>>96140340
Depends how bad your teeth are.

>>96138649
why would you ever buy this shit looking models in the first place.

no matter how op gw makes those turds, fucking never.

>>96140349
It's bulshit that SW got to keep their old dreads but not BA

>>96140340
>Imperium
Astronomican
>Imperium Nihilus
Astronomican't

>>96140388
kek

>>96140349
>RIP Librarian dreadnought.
Must've done a really shit job of organizing the library if they executed him.
I know Imperium is harsh, but damn.

>>96140320
It's a tad funny how many guard vehicles are more advanced or have better protection even though many Guard regiments are intentionally WWII styled. Primaris buggies at least have power armored drivers.

Anyone got the Armageddon Crusade book?

>>96140025
Yeah fuck another sub assembly job, JUST

>>96140332
I'll keep that in mind, I've probably bitten off way more than I can chew given that this will be my second army. I've done sub assemblies before but I've never painted human-like models before so its going to be quite the learning curve for me, particularly faces. Thankfully I've got a shit load of paper clips for this reason as well as heaps of cork

>>96140349
sorry but this unit cant be mirrored in any other army. GW is transforming 40K armys in to pawns. So get fuckt.

This is how I Primaris.

>>96140404
Consider me well and truly sodomized.
Finally getting around to making the new sanguinary guard. Im magnetizing the jump packs so I can put on the old ones when I want proper wings.

>>96140401
I have this shitty but readable photo scan: https://gofile.io/d/IvwVuW

>technology and science oriented faction
>look inside
>religious cargo cult

>>96140422
Are you talking about Tau or Votann?

>>96140401
Which one is that?

>>96140430
Yes.

>>96140422
Welcome to 40k, newfag

Is it normal to have such a wide range of forge world origins for a salvage expedition?

>>96140430
Tau are probably the only one not included in that description. Them and darkmech.

>>96140449
I dunno ask /v/

>tfw my grot tanks will be turning up any day now

What does the average player think of legends models? I've always let my opponent run them because its something that I rarely see

>>96140463
I'm fine with it as long as you let me nerd out and write a narrative of the battle after.

Is there any sort of standard as to what is written on the chestplate of dreadnoughts? Sometimes it's names, sometimes it's generic stuff like ULTRA or PRIDE or things of the sort.

>>96140318
>A better question is how you plan to turn it into a redeemer giving the very different loadout
I have like 15kg of Marines bits, I will kitbash something.
>>96140363
Can't be bothered. I will buy one in the future eventually but as of now I want to take care about my pile of shame.

>>96140481
It's part of their personal heraldry, they can write whatever they'd like on it

>>96140463
It depends
some legends models are so broken strong it's not even worth trying to play a game with them
>No bro trust me the squad of 11 4 hit S10 AP2 +1 to wound Lethals Sustained power fists is balanced

>>96140449
If I remember right the entire mission was a test of sorts by the Fabricator General, so putting to diametrically opposed tech priests as advisors on the mission would be part of that.

>>96140418
Many thanks, kind stranger.
>>96140432
The new one.

>>96140318
Nta but you could just swap out the sponsors and leave it at that, it's really not that complicated

>>96140449
the lore related reason was that the expedition group was done as a joke to see if they'd end up killing one another

What went wrong here?

>>96140402
You can get away with being pretty lazy about faces despite what people say. A bright basecoat and a thin wash makes most faces good enough. The difficulty in painting faces comes when you start layering and highlighting skin

>>96140517
The usual fate of most generals. People start focusing on circlejerking and thread personalities/schizos too much

>>96140517
Schizos and shitposters, plus the occasional d*sc*rd raid

>>96140396
rules in the 3rd edition even took that in to account.

hence why lanspeeders hat better armor saves then lets say dark eldar barges where whole squads where exposed. the rules took that in consideration too.

>>96140491
i have 3 of them and save for the 4th crusader for my 2k army list.

>>96140404
More like GW is turning Warhammer into an overpriced card game where you have to puchase each card individually, James can invalidate your entire "deck" in a single rule change, and render entire characters or armies illegal simply by saying you can't run the model you purchased, posed, painted, and presented. In other words: They're trying to turn our hobby into a fucking live service

>>96140556
They have no influence on my hobby, why are you let them affect yours?

>>96140556
I mean the entire concept if new editions is already that. Game could have stayed in 3rd forever.

>>96140556
All of this is avoided when playing with friends

>>96140556
I hate it when GW sneaks into my house and smashes my models with hammers, happens at least once a month

>>96140560
What does one do if the lgs widely adopts the new rules?

I have a stupid question.
So faith in the Emperor can drive away demons, right? But what about other religions? Can belief in Gork and Mork drive away demons in a similar way? What about Genestealer cults? Can belief in the coming Hive Fleet counter demons?

>>96140517
It's about the same, we just went from focusing on hating furries and spamming dow voicelines to focusing on hating schizos and spamming ritualposts.

>>96140562
the people whining about tournament legal changes don't have friends

>>96140576
Long answer: yes with an if
Short answer: no with a but

>>96140576
I thought the bit with tyranids was they didn't have a soul or some shit and didn't feel emotions which was a requirement for chaos to take seed

>>96140586
I'm not trying to talk in generalities. I was playing Darktide and you got that zealot ability that causes chaos cultists to recoil in fear, and I was just wondering if similar religious symbols in other xeno religions could do the same.

>>96140591
The writers are very inconsistent with that. One story spilling the ichor of nids does nothing to satiate khornes want for blood, another story every nid killed empowers khorne more as their blood is spilt.

>>96140576
Belakor's existence implies that worship is the ultimate sustenance for the Chaos gods and the religious nature of most psychic races really ratfucks the gods.

>>96140597
Yes but is conditional on the icon and god in question.

>>96140378
WAACfags gonna WAACfag. Even all the attempts I've seen to make them not look retarded, they still look worse than basic devastators with heavy weapons. What's wrong with a damn rocket launcher?

>>96140603
Corn doesn't care where a blood is from or whatever. It makes sense for khorne to get juiced off anyone's blood being spilled, I don't think there's been an example of khorne corrupting a space bug but I could be wrong.

>GW would rather release bazillion primarinos and Babycarrier Mk II than a single upscaled Firstborn™ GK
oh I'm laffin!

>>96140622
Should've just made them redeemer from ut2003

>>96139777
Stern, Techmarine, Servitors, two flyers at random, easily. Though I wouldn't put it past them to try whacking a strike variant.

>>96140629
They're saving it for the Grey Knights codex.

>>96140629
I assume given the half assery that is a single upgrade sprue for the babycarrier, that GK are getting a refresh in 11th

>>96137665
Eldar are protected by based Jes Goodwin so they'll never get raped like other factions as long as he works at GW